The Myths of Vegetarianism

[alexph777]

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtvegetarianism.html

[alexph777]

I have upmost respect for people's own personal beleifs and what lifestyle they wish to lead. Freedom of self expression is my motto. I am not judging anyone only observations.

I'm not a vegetarian myself although there was a time when I used to consider it and used to feel guilty - I was less than holy, etc. I have met some vegans in the past who in my experience seem to be holding onto some elitist self-rightous ignorance within them selfs and can be judgemental to others who are non vegans / non-vegetarians.

With the evangelist / preacher mentality - ie you are a bad person if your are a meat eater, etc. What about fish and plants, trees, flowers, etc? They feel just as much pain as animals its only human ignorance that says otherwise. Are they not worthy? They are just as conscuous as we are probably more so.

However, I have found non vegitarians are more laid back in their attitude to life. Not all of course, there are those who have no respect for others or life. But those who have a more spirit path oriented.

Vegetarisnism came out at the same time as the new age mind control via the US Government in the mid 1960s as part of a disinfomation program (new wave of disseminating information)

I think there is a lot of (mis or) dis-information about diets, etc. According to Stewart and Janet Swerdlow from their research they can see the energy bodies (aura) of people and vegans/vegetarians have a weaker energy field than meat eaters whom have a stronger energy field. Their research points out that the human body is meant to eat meat. Animal protiens are needed to repair and build DNA. Without red meats or using subsitutes it cannot do this as well or not at all. Animals that are planet eaters are not truely - they consume insects, etc, in the pounds. When they require protein they will make sure they get it. Protien in insects is more potent.

I would say that most people on the planet are not ready to be vegan/vegitarians and it is just stereo type stuff that it is a more 'spiritual' path. I think you can if you build the light body but most people have not researched this at the quantum level. And there was a time when people just absorbed the energy around them without eating anything, etc. But they didn't have a body as such and the frequency of the earth was so high perhaps we would not reconise it as a physical world. This is where we are going again. But today much of the new-age light body stuff and technqiues such as 12/22-dna and merkaba is government disinformation (probably intented to weaken you). 12 strand dna activation and merkaba - there is no quantuim science bases on it.

Today this is not possible and people trying to 'live on air' or what is known as 'breatharianism' is another new age scam designed to weaken people:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/breat/breat08.html

People who have suffered at the hand of the new age and living at new age and spiritual mind controlled centers are not allowed to eat meat and of course their energy field become weaker and weaker until the body starts to break down.

Most ideologies and views on diets and living a more 'spiritual' life are coming from the left brain intellect and not from right brain 'higher mind', soul, consciousness, Heart Intelligence or whatever you want to call it.

It is important to listen to your body's messages. Your body is sacred and has all the wisdom you need. Your Holy Spirit is more closer to home. It will tell your mind what it needs. When choosing a more 'enlightened' diet or lifestyle consider, is this coming from programming, reading books, other people's opinions or from your own Inner Wisdom. Don't allow your life to be controlled by others.

Now we have scare stories such as foot and mouth, mad cow, etc. All designed to stop people from eating meat and destroying the farmers.

[eternal_spirit]

You have strayed form the path former brother. Hope you come back to the faith one day ;)

[eternal_spirit]

That's bollocks if humans we're naturally meat eaters then we'd have teeth and claws like this

http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingdom/animal_images/Tiger_yawn_teeth_bite.jpg

[octopusrex]

www.revoluciondelacuchara.org

[eternal_spirit]

quote: alexph777



I would say that most people on the planet are not ready to be vegan/vegitarians and it is just stereo type stuff that it is a more 'spiritual' path. I think you can if you build the light body but most people have not researched this at the quantum level. And there was a time when people just absorbed the energy around them without eating anything, etc. But they didn't have a body as such and the frequency of the earth was so high perhaps we would not reconise it as a physical world. This is where we are going again. But today much of the new-age light body stuff and technqiues such as 12/22-dna and merkaba is government disinformation (probably intented to weaken you). 12 strand dna activation and merkaba - there is no quantuim science bases on it.

Today this is not possible and people trying to 'live on air' or what is known as 'breatharianism' is another new age scam designed to weaken people:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/breat/breat08.html


There is no proof whatsoever that people in the past used to absorb energy and didn't need to eat!

Agreed with the breatharian scam. And the DNA activation is probably a scam, yet to see it proven otherwise.

[jambolina62]

I am vegan. I do not believe that humans have the right to take the life of any animal, human or otherwise. I try not to impact on the lives of any animal. I do not eat them, I do not wear them and I do not buy any products that have been tested on them. That is my choice and I do not preach to others about it. We all choose our own paths.

My health is excellent, and becoming vegan was the best thing I ever did for my mind and body.

[kasalt]

From the Latest Headlines page, David Icke interviewed on Raw Vegan Radio:

http://rawveganradio.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/podcast-audio/premium-shows/0108_Icke.mp3.mp3%3E%20It%20has%20been%20getting%2 0fantastic%20reviews.%20%20Thank%20you%3E%20so%20m uch.%3E%20Steve%20Prussack%3E%20Host%20of%20Raw%20 Vegan%20Radio%3E%20--%20%3E

Edit: Well I thought that since this interview was on "Raw Vegan Radio" that David Icke might discuss the subject of veganism/vegetarianism. Not so.

[element]

Diets to my ass, really. Ofcourse many mistakes are happening with it.

Go try vegetarian diet, and you will see the positive differences with your body and consciousness.

No need for theories and wall of texts, try yourself and see.

We can't talk about a certain word named 'love' when we don't care about animals. Love is universal.

It's part of our evolution to grow from a materialistic body obsessed apelike dumb figure to go to a spiritual, caretaking self realized person.

If we want peace at our heats, be at peace with the world, including animals.

[alexph777]

I apologise if I offended you. I did not say that people are natural meat eaters. What I'm saying is that in the end our Mother's wisdom of a balanced diet is the best advice we can have.

In the end people simply need to be happy with them selves. I would say most are not. People put unnecessary rules and restrictions on themselves - that's my point.

You may not like the information but you still have a right to hear it all the same. Make of it what you will.

What goes on in slaughter houses, etc is appalling. What goes on in the fishing industry is appalling. What goes on in the amazon forest and deforestation is equally appalling. Hunting species to extinction is insane - and comes from the reptilian brain stem wanting more and more and the fear of not surviving.

I posted this article on another forum and someone replied saying this:

Our family was vegetarian - until my husband nearly died from it. He required an emergency blood transfusion because his body was no longer producing blood. Why? - Because he was not ingesting any B12. B12 in it's natural state is available ONLY from animal sources. He was also iron deficient with a ferretin level of 11 (should be 150 or more). The doctors all prescribed meat in his diet. He is now healthy.

So I definately agree with the myths about vegetarianism, but I always thought it was a ploy by TPTB to get us to eat the same way we now feed pigs & cows & chicken - mostly grain with some garbage thrown in for flavor.

If you feel that this is the right way to be for you then fine. I'm not trying to confince anyone. There are always enough people in the world trying to do that on what the moral codes are and what we should and shouldn't be doing.

But no one is going to strike you with a bolt of lightening if you have a steak once a week. The fact is the body needs some meat in its diet for balance. Please don't point the finger at me - I cannot help that fact. May be if we learned to hack the matrix then yes. But this is consenscious reality we are in here.

[element]

In the end people simply need to be happy with them selves. I would say most are not. People put unnecessary rules and restrictions on themselves - that's my point.

Not really. People choose themselves. I have yet to see a vegetarian who says ''this is too much for me to handle, all these rules''.

We're not talking about religions here.

What goes on in slaughter houses, etc is appalling. What goes on in the amazon forest and deforestation is equally appalling.


Both is fucking stupidity by humankind. The cutted rainforests are worse imo because of endangered species.

Our family was vegetarian - until my husband nearly died from it. He required an emergency blood transfusion because his body was no longer producing blood. Why? - Because he was not ingesting any B12. B12 in it's natural state is available ONLY from animal sources. He was also iron deficient with a ferretin level of 11 (should be 150 or more). The doctors all prescribed meat in his diet. He is now healthy.


A vegetarian diet means no meat. Other animal sources like milk have enough B12. Iron is not only in animal sources. This guy or this family was clearly veganistic, which can be tricky if you don't inform yourself about it..

The fact is the body needs some meat in its diet for balance.

You say fact, I say give evidence..

Please don't point the finger at me - I cannot help that fact.

You post a thread here, ofcourse you get replies and a discussion starts. You started it remember? You gave arguments. This is what forums are for.

Talking about facts, these are facts I've experienced myself..

Go try vegetarian diet, and you will see the positive differences with your body and consciousness.


Certain ''facts'' have also pointed out cancer is happening more to meateaters then non-meateaters.

[celtic isis]

That's bollocks if humans we're naturally meat eaters then we'd have teeth and claws like this

http://www.solarnavigator.net/animal_kingdom/animal_images/Tiger_yawn_teeth_bite.jpg

you're exactly right eternal :)

not to mention that animals (carnivores) who are meant to eat meat their oesophagus (spelling?) is much much shorter than our long one, and also there's something to do with our stomach too, that meat takes so long to digest it like putrifies or something whereas carnivores don't have that prob. HUMANS AREN'T BUILT TO EAT MEAT.

But if you want to that's up to you. :)

I was veggie for years, started when i was 13, went off it then fully again for 8 years...then i came to france and cause i was living for a time with other half's family i had no choice but to eat meat, and lots of it...it being france and all...omg i almost died from constipation lol it was horrible, i'm still recovering now like a year and half later from all that meat eeeeuuuggghhh

last night i watched a programme about how crap our food is basically, and it was showing how cows are killed in the abbatoir...it is so CRUEL. This was a top of the crop abbatoir too, they even play classical music and even more sadistic of them dolphin sounds, to the cattle before they are sent to be killed so that their meat doesn't get tough from the terror of being killed...omg :eek:

The cattle are all in little open pens one in each, then when it's each one's turn a door opens, like a hatch door, and the cow has a walkway of doom he's pushed into, with some kind of metal frame work thing at the end he's clasped into i guess...all i saw was the guy there ready to kill him and i had to turn over..omg the poor poor cow, as if the cow doesn't know what's going to happen to him, i saw the terror on its face.

i'm sure if more people actually had to kill for their own meat, and see the animal before it's all neatly packed ready to buy in the supermarket we'd have a lot less meat eaters!

horible horrible horrible (what they do to the cows etc) not meat eaters.


i love being veggie! :) no prob, just have to learn how to cook things like ratatouille,gratins etc and it's no prob.

[celtic isis]

just to point out i literally had no choice to eat meat while i was staying with my almost in laws, it was either eat the meat or starve...and i almost did starve anyhow omg the food :eek::eek::eek:

so now i'm happily living in france eating a better veggie diet than i did in ireland surprisingly, cause france has a bad bad name for veggies.

yay!

[archangel]

Vegan diet

Too Extreme; Can not get complete protein amino acid profile from Vegetables.

Show me one Muscular Vegan.

Terrible eating plan.

[eternal_spirit]

Vegan diet

Too Extreme; Can not get complete protein amino acid profile from Vegetables.

Show me one Muscular Vegan.

Terrible eating plan.

......................

Then you've not seen one on steroids ;)

Although aren't steroids taken from animal hormones at least some are?

[element]

last night i watched a programme about how crap our food is basically, and it was showing how cows are killed in the abbatoir...it is so CRUEL. This was a top of the crop abbatoir too, they even play classical music and even more sadistic of them dolphin sounds, to the cattle before they are sent to be killed so that their meat doesn't get tough from the terror of being killed...omg



This shows much, much.

Why would some slaughters play such music. They don't care themselves. Such people in society, I don't think they care about classical music lol. Slaughters are not like high civilized folk that got to university or something. No offend, but society levels clearly show how people are. People lower in society listen to different stuff, watch different stuff, eat much worse. And I know this for sure.

Just proves they know about this ''energy'' stuff. Not the slaughters, they're just mind controlled pitiful fools. But the ones that control it are smart.

This Illluminati/whatever wants you to eat meat. Meat is expensive = money.
They have no care for animals and want us not to ascend to a higher state of consciousness. They know this perfectly. Making us eating meat, making us watching violence,gore.

They care nothing about love, and I can't stress enough to tell LOVE IS UNIVERSAL. SO TO ALL BEINGS AND PARTS OF LIFE. Saying otherwise means your ego is already triggered.

[yanayoga]

For instance India is a highly populated country. 1 billion people or something and majority of them are vegetarians.
Now about muscular vegetarians. Again in India I learned Yoga from this man his name is Shailendra Sharma and he is fully vegetarian never tryed meat at all.
So you can call him no muscular vegetarian if you would!?:eek:
http://www.siddhasiddhanta.com/shailendra.jpg

[drael]

The thing that always interests me about any diet, is the bran neurotransmitters available. Thats why i enjoy chicken(serotonin), fish(dopamine gaba), nuts (inositol), banana, avocado (both serotonin), chocolate (anadamide - godfoods), brown rice (gaba). Im not really sure if u can get a good combination of neurotransmitters from vegatables but i enjoy the high levels available in above hunter-gatherer style foods. Im not into calorie dieting, im about nutrients :)

I love plants. To me they are wise and noble beings. My only preferance in diet would to be more connected to the being, animal or place in order to be properly thankful for its sacrifice. Red meat, well its a good source of occasional iron but prolly not a food we ate much during our evolution.

As for speculation about teeth, guts etc, we have the omnivore form, which is pretty clear IMO.

Live what u live, love it an be happy i say :)

[red_ram]

Saying that to take the life of an animal to eat its flesh is to go against the universal principle of love is fine, and noble. The reason why I have no problem eating an animal's flesh is because I see no difference between animals and plants (vegetables). They are all living beings, whether you believe that plants are sentient or not. At the end of the day, we have to absorb biomatter into our bodies to survive, and I care not whether it came from an animal or a plant - they are (were) both living.

Having said that, I'm not going to try and convince anyone that my diet is healthier than theirs, but that is why I eat meat.

(Well, that's the secondary reason, the first being that I enjoy it)

[pilgrim]

Saying that to take the life of an animal to eat its flesh is to go against the universal principle of love is fine, and noble.
The reason why I have no problem eating an animal's flesh is because I see no difference between animals and plants (vegetables). They are all living beings, whether you believe that plants are sentient or not. At the end of the day, we have to absorb biomatter into our bodies to survive, and I care not whether it came from an animal or a plant - they are (were) both living.

Having said that, I'm not going to try and convince anyone that my diet is healthier than theirs, but that is why I eat meat.

(Well, that's the secondary reason, the first being that I enjoy it)

Sorry, but you must be really dumb if you can't see a difference between animals & plants!
Animals, like humans have a much more developed level of conscious awareness than plant-based life.
Therefore the difference between killing a human or cow is vastly different than harvesting wheat or picking fruit because of the level of suffering inflicted.

If one day, a man was caught after he had killed a child, a dog, & a carrot, would the punishment be the same for each "murder"?
Would the suffering caused be the same??

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/05/15/mother-cow-and-calf.jpg

http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/fieldday/kids/pictures/kidsfield600/cg_wheat_closeup.jpg

Human beings can live healthy lives on a meat-free vegetarian diet, so why cause so much unnecessary pain, torture & premature death to innocent animals?
Why pay money to support the Illuminati's evil meat industry?
Do you really want to consume the left-overs from the daily mass animal-killing, blood-sacrifices they perform in slaughterhouses all over the world, every day?
Oh, i forgot, you "enjoy it".
Some people enjoy torturing, killing and eating children, does that mean it's ok to do those things?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIjanhKqVC4

[red_ram]

Just because a plant has no face or voice, you think it doesn't suffer. How do you KNOW it doesn't suffer like an animal when it's pulled from the ground?

As to why I enjoy eating meat, I admit I haven't seen the slaughter process first-hand but I don't even think about it when I eat. Having seen the process on TV I still don't think about it. It doesn't disturb me enough to stop eating meat. Do I want to consume the 'leftovers'? Well, yes, obviously I do.

Saying I see no difference was a broad generalisation on my part, I admit. What I mean in greater detail is that we have to consume biomass to survive so in any case we have to take the life of a living thing, whether it's a plant or an animal. Its level of consciousness makes no difference.

And my saying the above does NOT mean I support those who enjoy the killing of children, because I see animals as being foodstuffs and do not support the killing of a being for the purpose of a ritual slaughter or entertainment.

[pilgrim]

Vegan diet
Too Extreme; Can not get complete protein amino acid profile from Vegetables.
Show me one Muscular Vegan.
Terrible eating plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emXRuu32JEE

[celtic isis]

This shows much, much.

Why would some slaughters play such music. They don't care themselves. Such people in society, I don't think they care about classical music lol. Slaughters are not like high civilized folk that got to university or something. No offend, but society levels clearly show how people are. People lower in society listen to different stuff, watch different stuff, eat much worse. And I know this for sure.

Just proves they know about this ''energy'' stuff. Not the slaughters, they're just mind controlled pitiful fools. But the ones that control it are smart.

This Illluminati/whatever wants you to eat meat. Meat is expensive = money.
They have no care for animals and want us not to ascend to a higher state of consciousness. They know this perfectly. Making us eating meat, making us watching violence,gore.

They care nothing about love, and I can't stress enough to tell LOVE IS UNIVERSAL. SO TO ALL BEINGS AND PARTS OF LIFE. Saying otherwise means your ego is already triggered.

what brilliant post element :)

you really said it perfectly there and i totally agree with you.

This Illluminati/whatever wants you to eat meat. Meat is expensive = money.
They have no care for animals and want us not to ascend to a higher state of consciousness. They know this perfectly. Making us eating meat, making us watching violence,gore.


that's exactly the why.

Yeah, that particular abbatoir that i mentioned playing the dolphin sounds etc is a top of the crop one in france, like these cows are the ones who end up on the president of france's plate.

how awful though, and the knob of a guy who was in the office selecting the different serene tracks to play to the poor cows before being led to slaughter, the way he was talking to the camera...what a perfect example of an illuminati mindset robot in action lol and even worse the pompous chef choosing which cow he wanted by admiring and slapping it on the behind...sick people.

[celtic isis]

Just because a plant has no face or voice, you think it doesn't suffer. How do you KNOW it doesn't suffer like an animal when it's pulled from the ground?

As to why I enjoy eating meat, I admit I haven't seen the slaughter process first-hand but I don't even think about it when I eat. Having seen the process on TV I still don't think about it. It doesn't disturb me enough to stop eating meat. Do I wantto consume the 'leftovers'? Well, yes, obviously I do.

Saying I see no difference was a broad generalisation on my part, I admit. What I mean in greater detail is that we have to consume biomass to survive so in any case we have to take the life of a living thing, whether it's a plant or an animal. Its level of consciousness makes no difference.

And my saying the above does NOT mean I support those who enjoy the killing of children, because I see animals as being foodstuffs and do not support the killing of a being for the purpose of a ritual slaughter or entertainment.

i see what you mean red ram, just that well eating meat is fine if that's your thing, just the way the poor animals are processed nowadays, instead of bing happy, being reared as mother nature intended, at their own pace, not like pumped full of steriods etc to make them bigger quicker to satisfy the people's demmand...

there is zero respect for the way animals are reared, and of course ignorance too, as the burgers etc come all neatly packed and presented in the supermarket etc the reality behind those burgers is concealed.

Well everything is gone to pot thanks to the elite peddling everything, farmers are bullied into supplying for the demmand and under pressure to survive so they have no choice but to produce the animals like this. But you shouldn't "produce" animals, they are meant to produce themselves through breeding at their own pace, mother nature has just been FOOKED by the crap people on this planet with no respect for nature's balance and well whatever happens from here on in, people deserve it.

this isn't a rant at you red ram! you're free to eat meat, just beware of how the animals are treated, like the oceans, look how much they've been overfished to the point where here in the Med there's almost nothing left.

that's what i'm talking about. THE GREED of people with no regard for the consequences of which there will be many to our health.

[red_ram]

i see what you mean red ram, just that well eating meat is fine if that's your thing, just the way the poor animals are processed nowadays, instead of bing happy, being reared as mother nature intended, at their own pace, not like pumped full of steriods etc to make them bigger quicker to satisfy the people's demmand...

there is zero respect for the way animals are reared, and of course ignorance too, as the burgers etc come all neatly packed and presented in the supermarket etc the reality behind those burgers is concealed.

Well everything is gone to pot thanks to the elite peddling everything, farmers are bullied into supplying for the demmand and under pressure to survive so they have no choice but to produce the animals like this. But you shouldn't produce animals, mother nature has just been FOOKED by the crap people on this planet with no respect for nature's balance and well whatever happens from here on in, people deserve it.

this isn't a rant at you red ram! you're free to eat meat, just beware of how the animals are treated, like the oceans, look how much they've been overfished to the point where here in the Med there's almost nothing left.

that's what i'm talking about. THE GREED of people with no regard for the consequences of which there will be many to our health.

I don't take it as a rant. I agree with you. It IS a horrible industry for the most part. The truth is, I get more annoyed about the fact that my taxes are going to buy weapons to kill civilians with than I do about animals for the most part.

I try to buy meat from animals that have been treated as well as it's possible to treat animals that are about to be slaughtered, and line-caught (not dredged) fish. I think there is a trend among meat eaters that we have to go to free range and better treated animals, although a relatively small number actually do anything about it.

Incidentally, that YT film on cows was totally awesome.

[pilgrim]

Just because a plant has no face or voice, you think it doesn't suffer. How do you KNOW it doesn't suffer like an animal when it's pulled from the ground?

You really don't see the difference between say, cutting a pig's throat and picking an apple off a tree?!. :eek:
Too much Illuminati slaughterhouse corpse-munching has obviously made you very dull and dumb! :rolleyes:

As to why I enjoy eating meat, I admit I haven't seen the slaughter process first-hand but I don't even think about it when I eat. Having seen the process on TV I still don't think about it. It doesn't disturb me enough to stop eating meat.

Wilful Ignorance. :rolleyes:

Saying I see no difference was a broad generalisation on my part, I admit. What I mean in greater detail is that we have to consume biomass to survive so in any case we have to take the life of a living thing, whether it's a plant or an animal. Its level of consciousness makes no difference.

So you would'nt be bothered if someone killed and ate your family then? :confused:

Enjoy your lunch!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZGxtQp3hY

[red_ram]

You really don't see the difference between say, cutting a pig's throat and picking an apple off a tree?!. :eek:
Too much Illuminati slaughterhouse corpse-munching has obviously made you very dull and dumb! :rolleyes:

Cheers.

Wilful Ignorance. :rolleyes:

Probably. The way I look at it is, it doesn't occur to me, in the same way that the colour you've painted your bedroom wall doesn't occur to you whenever you sit down to eat.

So you would'nt be bothered if someone killed and ate your family then? :confused:

Yes, of course I would.

I guess I should say that I see no difference in the level of consciousness in edible things, and see them as separate from Humans as we don't eat Humans, in general.

Enjoy your lunch!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYZGxtQp3hY

Cheers!

It's a tasty salad. :)

[pilgrim]

"For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love."
Pythagoras, mathematician

"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921

"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist

"To a man whose mind is free there is something even more intolerable in the sufferings of animals than in the sufferings of man. For with the latter it is at least admitted that suffering is evil and that the man who causes it is a criminal. But thousands of animals are uselessly butchered every day without a shadow of remorse. If any man were to refer to it, he would be thought ridiculous. And that is the unpardonable crime."
Romain Rolland, author, Nobel Prize 1915

"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?"
George Bernard Shaw, playwright, Nobel Prize 1925

"What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?"
Jeremy Bentham, philosopher

"In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought."
Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."
Abraham Lincoln, 16th U.S. President

"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist

"As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."
"What I think about vivisection is that if people admit that they have the right to take or endanger the life of living beings for the benefit of many, there will be no limit to their cruelty."
Leo Tolstoy author

"I cannot fish without falling a little in self-respect...always when I have done I feel it would have been better if I had not fished."
Henry David Thoreau, author

"While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?"
"Atrocities are not less atrocities when they occur in laboratories and are called medical research."
George Bernard Shaw

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
"To my mind, the life of a lamb is no less precious than that of a human being."
Mahatma Gandhi, statesman and philosopher

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't...The pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further."
Mark Twain, author

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Edison, inventor

[red_ram]

"If a group of beings from another planet were to land on Earth -- beings who considered themselves as superior to you as you feel yourself to be to other animals -- would you concede them the rights over you that you assume over other animals?"
George Bernard Shaw, playwright, Nobel Prize 1925

A particularly good one.

"What is it that should trace the insuperable line? ...The question is not, Can they reason? nor, Can they talk? but, Can they suffer?"
Jeremy Bentham, philosopher

Which goes back to my point about plants suffering.

"In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought."
Isaac Bashevis Singer, author, Nobel Prize 1978

Very true.

[jambolina62]

I am vegan.

I have no health problems at all. I eat a well balanced diet to my knowledge.

[jambolina62]

Vegan diet

Too Extreme; Can not get complete protein amino acid profile from Vegetables.

Show me one Muscular Vegan.

Terrible eating plan.

I have no wish to be muscular, thank you.

[twistedconcept]

I was a vegetarian in the past for a while but returned to eating meat, as I was feeling extremely unhealthy. This was basically because I didn't have a balanced diet. There are many vegetarians/vegans that live healthy lives, as they know how to balance their diet.

As an animal lover, I do, at times, find it hard to eat meat, especially with the way some animals are treated. I always want animals to be killed in the most humane way possible.