If there is a God, why so much destruction?

[fox mulder]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

[i_am]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.


I don't know about fascinating but God (if there is a God) isn't the one causing the destruction.

If there is a God and he gave us free will, why would he then overrule that free will?

It is time we stopped saying it is God's will or why doesn't God intervene, and take responsibilty. We personally may not be causing the trouble and destruction but by our apathy, ignorance, arrogance and acceptance we are allowing it.

[truthseeker1980]

Infinite love/awareness is the only truth everything else is illusion.

The only god that exists is within, there is no God, who we are supposed to answer to or bow down to. The only God that exists is you, as everything is an illusion, nothing is real its all in our heads as a collective consious reality which we download from. If you haven't read any of David's books that may sound a little strange and hard to comprehend, thus read some of his work.

[fox mulder]

I've read a number of Davids books :)
I just wanted to get a clear answer for my friend who hasn't.
She asked - "But with the natural disasters and stuff, thats not man thats God!"
She explains that her religion knows that we are all connected and the same energy - but there is a god bigger than us who created all of this that we are within.
Got a good answer for me?!

[thirdwave]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

We are all god, its just we have forgotten.

[i_am]

I've read a number of Davids books :)
I just wanted to get a clear answer for my friend who hasn't.
She asked - "But with the natural disasters and stuff, thats not man thats God!"
She explains that her religion knows that we are all connected and the same energy - but there is a god bigger than us who created all of this that we are within.
Got a good answer for me?!

As far as natural disasters go, perhaps the living earth is merely shaking off the fleas created by man's pollution?

And on another note I do not believe that all natural disasters are 'natural'. They, TPTB, have the technology to create what appear to be natural disasters.

[rossus]

i don't really have a fixated belief or present knowledge of "what god is",
but if i have to say something...

then i'd have to say god to me is more like "everything and everywhere", an omnipresent energy of pure light
which gives existance to the world in all it's forms, both "good" and "bad"... "dead" and "alive", "beautiful" and "ugly"....



though god exist within everything, and nothing could exist without god...
god itself seems to be uninvolved with the way the universe works,
things more so happen by their own accord.

the universe seems to work in a cyclic way where
good and bad, dry and wet, cold and warm, birth and death, creation and destruction inevatibly follow eachother.




truely,
we are not seeing or smelling or feeling anything, the body's senses receive impulses continuously which the brain interpretes as "reality"...

everything which can be experienced, felt, touched, heard or seen is a illusion.
when we get past this perceptual illusion which we mistake as "reality",
we find the real...

reality cannot really be explained by words,
but terms as "universal love"... "god"..."heaven".... "nirvana" or "tao" give it a try.

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"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
1 John 2: 13

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul?
Mark 8: 36

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.
1 Peter 2:11

[garth]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

IMO you've answered your own question, the only god as such that this place has isn't the benevolent all loving dude that the bible expounds, it's a dark mother of an arsehole that feeds off & creates all the trouble and destruction.

It ain't "good vs evil" it's "us vs our oppressors"

[i_am]

In the beginning there was the word

The Word is sound
Sound is vibration
Vibration is energy

The Word is a thought.
Thought is vibration
Thought is energy

Love is vibration
God is love
God is Energy
God, The word, Love, Thought, Energy, Vibration

Is all not one?

Are we not all?

Creation is turning thought into matter.

Through matter this energy that we call God, can experience what in thought is only a concept.


Just a thought :D

[dmt head]

What if you realised you were god and you wished you hadnt ?? Heres a story about a guy who realised he was god and now he feels so alone because theres only god and hes it and everything else is just a reflection of him to give him company or something like that?? This story is similar to what icke says to an extent, just because he was on drugs doesnt make it not beleivable, warning though it may make you depressed and realise that maybe ignorance is bliss??

http://de1.erowid.org/experiences/exp.phpquery=ID=34864.html

[ownedtbh]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.


i dont believe in god but...

if there is a god it's not upto him to fix the problems that man have created its up to ourselves you cant just expect to rely on some man in the clouds everytime something is wrong

[truthseeker1980]

I've read a number of Davids books :)
I just wanted to get a clear answer for my friend who hasn't.
She asked - "But with the natural disasters and stuff, thats not man thats God!"
She explains that her religion knows that we are all connected and the same energy - but there is a god bigger than us who created all of this that we are within.
Got a good answer for me?!

Ask her why she believes her brainwashing religion, I would also ask her, if he was real why would he cause pain and suffering, why would he not just stop it all? That to me has always been the proof that he doesn't exist, if there really was some GOOD guy looking after us, he wouldn't allow bad things to happen would he?

[bigus_dickus]

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

if you want to build a wooden house, you have to chop some trees.

[pilgrim]

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"
We all have free-will, some choose to use it for destructive purposes.

[element]

God is just a name for the lifeforce from which everything came and comes.

Our souls are a pure part of this 'ocean', our souls can't do good or bad, they just are.

God is not a person, he doesn't look at you and tells you what's good or bad. There's no god who sits on his throne and he doesn't need worship. It's not a father or mother...nothing.

'' Humans created god in humans image.'' It's true, because we don't understand god.

God is nothing, yet everything..

[lifeofbrian]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

If Man was created in His image; look at what Man is doing.

Obvious, innit? God is a megalomaniac three-year-old.

[Ian2day]

The reason that there is so much destruction in the world is because when I was a child. I required proof that a higher power existed. Now you can chose to believe that the higher power heard me and decided to prove to me its existence. Or you can prefer the explanation that my memory of this. Is a false memory implanted within my subconscious during extended NLP sessions.

Now I know that a creative power/force exists. This don't mean that my memory isn't being triggered. When I hear implanted keywords spoken back to me. With both situations possibly coexisting. False memory is not that hard a concept to implant in someone.

The stage hypnotist Paul McKenna is responsible. For implanting false memory's in many people. There are people that even have a false memory implanted by one NLP practitioner and then have it reinforced in a session with another months or even years later.

False memory can be a force for good or bad reasons. It can help people to stop any manner of negative activities. Or it can even be used to have people be a Manchurian Candidate. There are no lengths that some people won't go to. So they can exploit others and garner power.

[zero1]

God the creator, preserver and destroyer is intelligable. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away, and all that...

But it isn't God who has turned this burnt out paradise of a world into a spiral on the road to Hell, is it?

Humans have done that, with Systems of control and exploitation that are an affront to God and the divine nature in Man (his Image and his Word).

Did God ask Man to disobey him and defy his laws? No. He created a world where we have the choice. And most chose to imitate God's real creation in such a way as it could be stolen from God, controlled by the malicious desires of Man. "As above, so Below".

A false simulacrum or facsimile of Heaven was the intent of Man's work to remake the world. But it has resulted in an imbalance of destruction, debt, misery, servitude and suffering. Whose fault is that? Not God's.

Now, Man wants to be able to blame God for his own misdeeds, and pass off the responsibility for his actions on God. Which is sad, depraved, dishonest and cowardly.

You have freewill. You have a choice. Even still, you fear your own power and maybe always will.

The free man is the one who takes responsibility for himself and his role in Creation and uses the gifts of his being to honour the spirit of power, beauty, love and creativitiy that God gave him.

Crucial to this, is not being afraid of one's own potency. ;) Ask the right questions and the answers will come. Find your true Self, and the sum can be sealed.

[lifeofbrian]

God the creator, preserver and destroyer is intelligable. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away, and all that...

But it isn't God who has turned this burnt out paradise of a world into a spiral on the road to Hell, is it?

Humans have done that, with Systems of control and exploitation that are an affront to God and the divine nature in Man (his Image and his Word).

Did God ask Man to disobey him and defy his laws? No. He created a world where we have the choice. And most chose to imitate God's real creation in such a way as it could be stolen from God, controlled by the malicious desires of Man. "As above, so Below".

A false simulacrum or facsimile of Heaven was the intent of Man's work to remake the world. But it has resulted in an imbalance of destruction, debt, misery, servitude and suffering. Whose fault is that? Not God's.

Now, Man wants to be able to blame God for his own misdeeds, and pass off the responsibility for his actions on God. Which is sad, depraved, dishonest and cowardly.

You have freewill. You have a choice. Even still, you fear your own power and maybe always will.

The free man is the one who takes responsibility for himself and his role in Creation and uses the gifts of his being to honour the spirit of power, beauty, love and creativitiy that God gave him.

Crucial to this, is not being afraid of one's own potency. ;) Ask the right questions and the answers will come. Find your true Self, and the sum can be sealed.

Good post.

See, that's why I don't believe in there being a God of the religious type.

The God made in the image of Man that most people refer to when they run out of logic but still want to win any higher-moral-ground-argument and shut any opponent up, sounds too much like a sadistical politician, too much like a ruthless business man, too much like scum. When the human-made God was a boy, I bet he was cruel to animals. Probably imagined he was a scientist.

Sounds like the human-made God is some arse making up a game and not informing people about the rules until they break them.

Fuck all that.

People cause harm because they haven't known it themselves. End of. Simple.

God won't cover any arses and God won't send anybody to any flaming pit.

People do it to themselves.

[fenriswulf]

If you are refering to the god of the bible, it is quite clear that he has no love for any but those who follow his word to the letter. This seems to make a lot of his followers rather smug, but it does not spare them from bad things, however they can write this of as a test of faith.

An example of his lack of caring for the rest of us is he gave his people permission to wipe out people (heathens) who were living in the area of Jerusalem, so his 12 tribes of Israel could have it. (Despite that comandment about thou shall not kill.)
Thus we still have the problem over the rightful ownership of that area now, god seems to have promised it to many people. And he doesn't seem to be too bothered about clearing the mess up.

It can be said that really the problem is man but I would say that it is Gods fault by not making his words clear, and by leaving it to man to write those words, he reveals himself as flawed, thus to me it is proof he does not exist.

I could believe in a god who set the universe in motion and then left it be, so the manmade destruction is indeed our fault and no one is going to save us but ourselves.

[danster82]

This is a channeled answer.

The concept of evil has caused much confusion, not only among Christians, but also among spiritually interested people all over the world. The main reason behind all this confusion is the widespread denial of the importance of free will.

In the answers to other questions, I talk about a power elite that is seeking absolute control over the people. This elite will do anything to spread false beliefs, through religion or science, stating that free will either does not exist or is not important. What this power elite is trying to do is to make you deny your God-given potential to manifest Christhood on earth.

If you deny the existence of free will, then it becomes exceedingly difficult to explain the obvious fact that there is evil on this planet. If you are a scientific materialist, you have virtually no explanation for evil, so most of these people tend to ignore it. I might add here that ignoring a cancerous tumor is not the best way to deal with it.

If you are a religious person, then you end up having to come up with a series of contrived arguments that somehow seek to deal with the problem that if human beings do not have free will, then God must have created evil. For most people, the idea that God has created evil just doesn’t sound right. It doesn’t sound right, because it isn’t right.

The reality of the matter is that God has not created evil. Contrary to what some religions teach, evil is not the polar opposite of God. God is a completely self-contained being and God has no opposite. I have earlier told you that when God starts creating the world of form, God creates two polarities, as illustrated in the Taoist symbol called the Tai-Chi. Nevertheless, evil does not form the polar opposite of God, and it does not even form the polar opposite of good.

The polarities of the Tai-Chi are not mutually exclusive. They are complimentary and through their interactions they bring forth a new aspect of the world a form. That aspect of the world a form will be in harmony with God’s law, and therefore it will be sustainable. It will not self-destruct.

The essence of evil is that it is not in accordance with God’s law. Therefore, evil does not form a creative polarity with good. Evil cannot create anything; it can only destroy. Nothing that is influenced by evil is sustainable, because it violates God’s laws. Therefore, anything affected by evil will be temporary, and it will eventually self-destruct.


Evil as the result of choice

Why is there evil in the world? The presence of evil is the result of a free-will choice, or rather numerous free-will choices. The original free-will choice that brought evil to this planet was not made by human beings. It was made by the leader of a band of Angels, and his name was Lucifer. Lucifer made the choice that he was not willing to follow one of God's commands. That command was that the angels of God were to serve human beings.

Lucifer made this choice because of pride. He wanted to be the most important angel in heaven, and when God refused to show this favoritism, Lucifer rebelled. You must understand that in heaven all beings have free will. Yet, because they clearly know the laws of God, it is extremely rare that a heavenly being will use this free will to go against the laws of God. However, it did indeed happen with Lucifer.

In heaven, all spiritual beings have unlimited potential for expressing their individuality and creativity within the context of God’s law. Yet, if a being chooses to go against God’s law, that being cannot remain in heaven. What is God to do with such beings? God has two options.

* God can consume these beings as if they had never existed. Our God is a consuming fire, and God can consume any part of the world of form, leaving absolutely no trace.
* God can give these beings a second chance to voluntarily choose to come back to the laws of God. However, if God does so, these beings cannot remain in heaven. Therefore, God must create some other place where these beings can reside. That other place is the material universe, including planet earth.

In the material universe, the energies are so dense that it is not immediately obvious that everything in this universe is created from God’s light. Therefore, this universe can serve as a temporary home for those beings who have stepped outside of God’s law and therefore no longer see themselves as God’s offspring. I want you to understand that this was not God’s original plan for the material universe. This was, to use a popular expression, Plan B.

I want you to know that during my life on earth, I and all of my close associates studied an old biblical text, called the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch describes the process whereby fallen angels were cast out of heaven and took on human bodies. The Book of Enoch also states that these fallen angels have continued to appear in human bodies. I consider the Book of Enoch to be an extremely important work, and I would like all my followers to familiarize themselves with this book. If I studied it, why would you not study it? I might add that the Book of Enoch was later taken out of the orthodox Bible. I wonder why?


The origin of evil

My basic point is that the origin of evil was a free-will choice made by a group of very powerful spiritual beings who chose to rebel against God. They have since formed what I have called the power elite. Many of these souls have so far demonstrated an absolute commitment to stick with their original decision to rebel against God. Therefore, they have attempted to turn planet earth into a world where God does not exist. In other words, they want to shut God out of this world in an attempt to prove that they can exist without God. They also want to set themselves up as surrogate or false Gods on earth. They believe that their ends can justify absolutely any conceivable means. These souls will do anything to gain and maintain control over the people of earth.

Unfortunately, maintaining such control is not very difficult. The fallen angels have a powerful weapon in their quest for control, namely the relativity of the carnal mind. Any human being in the grips of the carnal mind is an easy target for the manipulators of this earth. If everything is relative, then everything can be defined by some authority here on earth, including right and wrong, truth and error. The fallen angels have created numerous philosophies in an attempt to spread false ideas.

You must understand that the power elite will do anything to prevent you from discovering the truth of God. For example, for the past 2,000 years they have attempted to use the orthodox Christian church to prevent the spreading of knowledge. For centuries, the orthodox church was a very efficient mind control machine, as the burning of books and the inquisition clearly demonstrate.

Today, the power elite is facing the problem that technology has made it easier than ever to disseminate information. They are attempting to cope with this by actually flooding the market with false information of every conceivable type. That is why you see so many books or websites that promote the most incredible theories (including a number of books that contain false theories about me and my true teachings). The hope of the power elite is that you will be overwhelmed by all of this information, so that you will either shut your mind (and refuse to consider any new ideas) or become so confused that you no longer know what to believe (and therefore end up doubting everything).

The only way to escape this subtle manipulation is to reach beyond the level of the carnal mind and put on personal Christhood. The essence of personal Christhood is the ability of discernment, the ability to discern what is of God and what is not of God. Therefore, a Christed being is the ultimate threat to the fallen angels who consider planet earth their territory. They will do anything to prevent a Christed being from walking the earth. They will do anything to prevent a large number of Christed beings from walking the earth. Therefore, they will do anything to prevent people from discovering and accepting the path of personal Christhood.

[lifeofbrian]

[...]

The reality of the matter is that God has not created evil. Contrary to what some religions teach, evil is not the polar opposite of God. God is a completely self-contained being and God has no opposite. I have earlier told you that when God starts creating the world of form, God creates two polarities, as illustrated in the Taoist symbol called the Tai-Chi. Nevertheless, evil does not form the polar opposite of God, and it does not even form the polar opposite of good.

[...]




Meanwhile, down here on Planet Earth, there are plenty of people both more mature and forgiving than any high and mighty God somewhere on a pedestal.

Our problems are real problems. We are forced to deal with them and not given the option to stick our heads in the sand and pray for some God to step in and make all the bad stuff go away.

We are killing each other right here, right now. On the orders of some madmen who don't know the meaning of the word "enough".

It is time for humanity to grow the fuck up and stop relying on some Big Daddy in the sky.

Get real.

[danster82]

You clearly missed the mark. The message is telling you that you are sticking your head in the sand right now. Its telling you your free will is the key and free will means you make the choices, so get on with it and start making better choices. And never complain to anyone on earth about your/our bad situations or any amount of evil because its your creation, And certainly dont pray to God because it will not be answered, you have free will so its only you who can undo your previous choices.

Did you missunderstand the entire message...or am I missing somthing here?

[lifeofbrian]

You must understand that the power elite will do anything to prevent you from discovering the truth of God.

Bollox. Any kid knows that we can create whatever we want if we only trust it is possible.

Any God-worship says we can't. That we need middle-men or a certain type of blood or some such manure.

What the power elite wants, is to satisfy their own mental illness.

Trying to make them seem sane, is in itself a crime against humanity.

[lifeofbrian]

You clearly missed the mark. The message is telling you that you are sticking your head in the sand right now. Its telling you your free will is the key and free will means you make the choices, so get on with it and start making better choices. And never complain to anyone on earth about your/our bad situations or any amount of evil because its your creation, And certainly dont pray to God because it will not be answered, you have free will so its only you who can undo your previous choices.

Did you missunderstand the entire message...or am I missing somthing here?

You brought "God" into the equation. I didn't.

ETA: Forgive me, not meaning to come off as disrespectful of the people who still need to believe in Santa Claus, but what has become known as "Source" has nothing to do with the traditional idea of "God" (the traditional anthropomorphological sort).

[jambolina62]

Disasters that happen are nothing to do with 'God'. This is sadly something that school taught us. Now every non thinking person in the world blames 'God'.

Until we are able to let go of our materialistic lives and begin to really 'see', then this crap will continue.

It's very hard when we all have to survive. The '9 to 5' is killing us, literally.

[lifeofbrian]

Disasters that happen are nothing to do with 'God'. This is sadly something that school taught us. Now every non thinking person in the world blames 'God'.

Until we are able to let go of our materialistic lives and begin to really 'see', then this crap will continue.

It's very hard when we all have to survive. The '9 to 5' is killing us, literally.

A spiritual awareness of life has nothing to do with any God though. Neither to claim nor blame.

Hate to have to be the one to break it to you; most "materialistic" people have it sorted already.

[jambolina62]

A spiritual awareness of life has nothing to do with any God though.

Hate to have to be the one to break it to you.

I don't believe in God. Don't worry, I'm not hurt.

What do you mean? Materialistic people have it 'sorted' already?

[lifeofbrian]

I don't believe in God. Don't worry, I'm not hurt.

What do you mean? Materialistic people have it 'sorted' already?

As in knowing actions have consequences. :)

The God Squad is in denial about having to face the consequences of their actions. As God/Daddy will save them if only they pray and spend five minutes a day in thoughts of being righteous and on the winning team.

That's a reality which is an illusion, for sure.

Nice to meet you, and hoping to learn a lot from you on the boards.

[tejas]

What if you realised you were god and you wished you hadnt ?? Heres a story about a guy who realised he was god and now he feels so alone because theres only god and hes it and everything else is just a reflection of him to give him company or something like that?? This story is similar to what icke says to an extent, just because he was on drugs doesnt make it not beleivable, warning though it may make you depressed and realise that maybe ignorance is bliss??

http://de1.erowid.org/experiences/exp.phpquery=ID=34864.html

This is EXACTLY true,

WE ARE GOD

WE CREATED THIS ILLUSION

TO FORGET WHO WE ARE

TO FORGET WHAT WE ARE

BECAUSE IT REALLY IS JUST US FOR ALL ETERNITY

now how silly is that

we felt scared and lonely, of OURSELVES

this reality is about teaching us

to live forever.

this is the thing, WE DELUDED OURSELVES we are ALL OURSELVEs

BUT HOW SILLY TO FORGET OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOW SILLY

WHY NOT JUST EXIST
AS PURE BLISS

WHAT WE ARE

NOT NEEDING TO DO THIS OR THAT

accept that you exist as an infinite eternal being,

accept that the games we play are silly and self deluding

we cannot escape ourselves, so why not just ACCEPT ourselves

ACCEPT WHO WE ARE

[shankara]

If it’s true that we are One, and that all is God/Brahman (I happen to believe that this is true), then when God creates the world, “he” must create it out of himself. If all there was before the world was God, he must have created the world out of the same substance. It would be illogical to create something, a substance, out of nothing, so he must have created the world out of himself. It’s like when I have a thought or feeling, and that thought in the moment is me, but then I can also objectify and analyze those thoughts, making those thoughts, which are nothing but myself, now seem as though they are outside of myself. I think this is how Brahman creates the world and all of it’s supposed multiplicity. I don't believe that we are a part of God, or a drop in the ocean, because I don't think it is possible to divide infinity (a piece of infinity is still infinite), so I really think our true nature is identical to Brahman. This may sound narcissistic but I'm not speaking of the personal identity that most of us define ourselves as, but as the impersonal Self that is possible to experience in so called Samadhi states or enlightenment/bliss/Nirvana experiences (having experienced this once, I would recommend it highly :D)

I will admit that it is difficult to explain this in words, as this is coming from an analysis by my mind (ego) of the experience after the fact. Also, language is by nature analytical, dissecting, and makes experience intelligible (we see a tree, or go to work, but what would these experiences be without the language to create a narrative about them and to give them definition? Yet at the same time, a word has meaning only in that it is different from other words, and if you look up a word in the dictionary, it always refers back to another word, so language is a closed system that refers only to itself) but to do so must also create distance between the experience and the experiencer in order to allow for analysis. But I will try my best.

It isn’t that Brahman creates man and allows man to suffer, but it is God/Brahman Itself that is suffering. Yet it is not suffering from Brahman/Oneness/God’s point of view. It is pleasurable in the same way that we can watch a movie where there is horrible things happening and enjoy it. We can do this because of a certain distance, and because our self-preservation isn’t threatened. We can enjoy it for the essence of the experience itself. Brahman (our true Self) is infinite and unlimited, and is not threatened by the supposed atrocities the occur, (nor is it threatened by playing at or pretending to be limited individuals who are separate from itself), so there is a distance there that allows God to experience these things for their own sake.

If we could become Self-realized/enlightened, we would view life from this perspective and there would be no more suffering. I’m not saying that atrocities and cruel behavior are good or acceptable, as I think that morality exists and comes from acting in accordance with our true nature as infinite Oneness, but I do think that all the things that happen that we label bad would not seem so devastating if we understood our infinite nature and realized that our existence could not be threatened. Evil is not realizing our true nature and not acting in accordance with it. It is not so much evil, but the absence of good, the absence of truth (like darkness is nothing in itself, it is just the absence of light).

I think it’s importance to try to receive all things in thankfulness, knowing that there is a higher reason for everything even if you can’t understand it. Doing this, you affirm your infinite existence by remaining in a state of detachment. It is fine to have preferences, but why be attached to outcome when everything (your basic nature and the underlying nature of the world as God/Brahman) is and always will be essentially perfect?

[alexph777]

When I was little I used to say "I am God". Of course I was told not to be silly. But I now realise that there is an eternal truth in that.

I have always felt close to God (like a cosmic friend or lover) but this was always like a knowing or memory. And perhaps my own deep sense of loss or grief (only at times) and wanting to go home at a deep level is related to this. I am not depressed in daily life I'm talking about a deeper level that at times comes to the surface. I think most of the depression or loneliness people experience (including clinical) could be a symptom coming from a deeper level.

Our state of being is no longer "In Love" and currently "Out Of Love". We often talk about being "In Love" and being happy but I think it is really a level of unhappyness and being "out of love" and we feel that and it effects us. But our point of observation is less extreme of being out of love so we identify it as being happy or falling in love because we have no memory of being truely In Love, whilst in separation. For True Love of the Self to happen and to be "In Love" again we need to return Home and become One again. The Twin Flames Will Re-Unite. It has already been so, they (us) never left. But in illusion, their Hearts Aches to make Love to be One again. Does that make sense? Does that make your Heart sing with Joy? It does mine.

My own concept of God has and is different from the programmed mania that the system and most people seem to identify with. What about you?

I've never understood the concept of the fear of God. This seems like a blasphemous concept. God is the last one I fear. It is being away from home that is the most fearful. But you hear people say "it will put the fear of God in you" or "we need to teach the fear of God in schools" or one nation under the fear of God, etc. Please help me out here, I assume it might mean that God gave us live and therefore can take life from us. And that we must respect God.

Personally, no vindictive God / One / All That Is, etc, that behaves like an arsehole deserves our respect. Whatever, its all nonsense, and a figment of the collective imagination of the human race.

With that article on the guy on the mushrooms experiencing God and all alone well can you handle the loneness? We say at times that we are lonely when we are apart from loved ones, etc, but we always have relationships with ourselves, and the environment around us. What happens if there is nothing at all not even a self to have a relation with itself?

[mahabaratara]

he gave us freedom of choice and look at the results...

its our choice to do as we choose...

[boots]

Always disliked the word God, it evokes the unfortunate christen image of an old white haired man sitting on a cloud in judgment.and yet there is still debates that go on about GOD.

Us humans created this world and as we have free will we can create a better one for we are co-creators.

[starscream]

cant blame, we were thought & exposed to the idea of god since young. won't have god if the idea don't exisit. Ain't no fun to watch a movie if you made it yourself. Ain't no fun if you have it, but getting it. thats why we came & go as we are. Enjoy your dream! Don't worry, you know you can't change others, just yourself be responsible of your action and everything is going to be alright! IMO

[bigus_dickus]

Always disliked the word God, it evokes the unfortunate christen image of an old white haired man sitting on a cloud in judgment.and yet there is still debates that go on about GOD.

in which christian biblical text does it say that God is an old white man with white hair sitting on a cloud in judgment?

[sunyatta60]

he gave us freedom of choice and look at the results...

its our choice to do as we choose...

I believe God Just is and God is nothing to do with this Illusion. I also dispute this crap people churn out about free will. Where is it? You cannot be Ego in the dream and an independent entity making choices the two do not go hand in glove with one and other. In fact I think the idea that memes give rise to the illusion we call self is much closer to the Truth of what is really going on. No Neuroscientist as ever been able to find the little i making the choices in the brain, why because there is no one home, what else would you expect from an illusion.

[zero1]

in which christian biblical text does it say that God is an old white man with white hair sitting on a cloud in judgment?

It doesn't, of course. The Old Man in the Sky is the simplified anthropomorphic version of God. It appeals to people cos' their Sky Daddy wouldn't lie to them and let them down, y'see. It's truly fucking pathetic, yet many believe this.

That's why, when people ask if I believe in God, I ask "which God?", meaning which God-concept are they referring to. It's the only way to be sure, and clear with others.

Yet Atheists love to bamboozle theists by claiming they ALL literally believe in a Sky Daddy. Which is just as pathetic and erroneous as the concept itself...

[bigus_dickus]

It doesn't, of course. The Old Man in the Sky is the simplified anthropomorphic version of God. It appeals to people cos' their Sky Daddy wouldn't lie to them and let them down, y'see. It's truly fucking pathetic, yet many believe this.

That's why, when people ask if I believe in God, I ask "which God?", meaning which God-concept are they referring to. It's the only way to be sure, and clear with others.

to put it in its real dimension, it is what parents tell their little kids, who have no other way to understand how can there be someone who they can't see and who has theoretical features, but is not a person or a distinct creature.

[pilgrim]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[mahabaratara]

I believe God Just is and God is nothing to do with this Illusion. I also dispute this crap people churn out about free will. Where is it? You cannot be Ego in the dream and an independent entity making choices the two do not go hand in glove with one and other. In fact I think the idea that memes give rise to the illusion we call self is much closer to the Truth of what is really going on. No Neuroscientist as ever been able to find the little i making the choices in the brain, why because there is no one home, what else would you expect from an illusion.

In your experience...

Free will...?

When I project...

[kblood]

Creation is followed by destruction, since nothing is eternal on this physical plane of existance. Our conciousness demands change as not to be bored. Isnt that what this dimension is all about? To have changes, to learn, to evolve in some way. As spirits there isnt much change going on, without a body there is not much need for emotion or reasons to care about organic beings. So here it is easier to learn, learning by experience, learning through a body of our own, instead of borrowing the body of someone else.

And since our planet Earth is a place to learn and evolve, and our planet is a evolving being itself, then it also has changes. When a planet is sick, when it coughs, when it has headaches... we feel it as lethal disastors. We cannot expect our planet to be healthy at all times, especially not the way we are treating it.

Still, I imagine Earths likes us all the same, and is probably proud of having such a diversity of lifeforms on it.

That is what I believe. We cannot expect our planet to be stable at all times. Maybe Earth is hollow which makes it very obvious as to why it would be so unstable and maybe it is filled with molthen rock, and that doesnt seem to make for a stable planet either.

If planets didnt have natural disastors, then what would stop us from destroying it? If it was just alive nomatter how we treated it, then wouldnt we just industrialise so fast that we would not be able to learn from possible mistakes? Our enviroment is very important to how and what we learn. Learning to coexist takes effort, and is not always easy to understand on how many levels it needs to be done fully.

[bigus_dickus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlP162B8OEE

person (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=person&searchmode=none)
c.1225, from O.Fr. persone "human being" (12c., Fr. personne), from L. persona "human being," originally "character in a drama, mask," possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." This may be related to Gk. Persephone. The use of -person to replace -man in compounds and avoid alleged sexist connotations is first recorded 1971 (in chairperson). Personify first recorded 1727. Personable "pleasing in one's person" is first attested c.1430. In person "by bodily presence" is from 1568. Person-to-person first recorded 1919, originally of telephone calls.

i think that this is apparent misuse of language and that he really means 'self' and 'inner' self. my person is what dresses my inner "I", the suit made by the tailor, the inner "I", the real person, from which no other person is separate.

[bicycle]

I've read a number of Davids books :)
but there is a god bigger than us !

I'm not so sure about that imo.

I personaly found a lot of answers from the book Infinite love........

[frankanne]

I don't know about fascinating but God (if there is a God) isn't the one causing the destruction.

If there is a God and he gave us free will, why would he then overrule that free will?

It is time we stopped saying it is God's will or why doesn't God intervene, and take responsibilty. We personally may not be causing the trouble and destruction but by our apathy, ignorance, arrogance and acceptance we are allowing it.

Can I take the question to another level? Why does God not help those who try to do the right thing? The best for instance I can think of right now are doctors who go against the norm, i.e. chemotherapy, vaccination, etc. Doctors who realise the dangers these 'treatments' pose are persecuted, prosecuted, hounded out of their profession and criminalised and ostracised. Why does God not help them? That's the question I need answering. Why are so many people in prison now, or lives ruined, liberaty taken away, all because they were truthful and honest and good. Why are they not being helped? Where is God?

[turquoisefyre]

My basic point is that the origin of evil was a free-will choice made by a group of very powerful spiritual beings who chose to rebel against God. They have since formed what I have called the power elite. Many of these souls have so far demonstrated an absolute commitment to stick with their original decision to rebel against God. Therefore, they have attempted to turn planet earth into a world where God does not exist. In other words, they want to shut God out of this world in an attempt to prove that they can exist without God. They also want to set themselves up as surrogate or false Gods on earth. They believe that their ends can justify absolutely any conceivable means. These souls will do anything to gain and maintain control over the people of earth.


great post D82

i wonder whether this stupid elite will ever realise they are the ones being used. maybe i should'nt be too judgemental towards them, but they really are abit like a premature ejaculation gone very bad, or something...

[element]

There is no such thing for friggin' sake.

Look at a little child. It gets born, it's completely pure and has a heart which is pure and good. Little children are very honest, and can see aura's. Atleast they say, I will definately try this with my cousin when she gets old enough to understand painting.

As soon as they go to school, they are in groups. They have to fight for their place, they learn to be a ''name'' , they learn to identify themselves with the '' body''. I am this body, my name is parrot etcetera. Because of this whole body-identifying thing plus this world of matter, people get seperated from source, from their soul and true being. ''fall out of paradise'' for parrots sake.

The rest of their life is a longtime struggle, finding truth again. Most people will look outside of themselves, either choose some organised religion or 'educated' -lol- science. Icke is right about it, both create immense fear for death, while it's useless cause our souls live on forever anyways. The soul is pure, it's the mind that causes trouble. But we keep thinking ''I am body''.

Evil, if you can even call it evil, comes from disharmony with source - identification of body and world of matter / time / space Disharmony with god,your soul, everything, all that is. You name it. Call it parrots world, I don't care.

Now there are persons and groups throughout history who fall down very low in this, and they created religions and wanted to control rest of humanity.
Evil wasn't created in the first place, it happened cause of disharmony. We all have to experience disharmony.

[turquoisefyre]

This is a channeled answer.

The concept of evil has caused much confusion, not only among Christians, but also among spiritually interested people all over the world. The main reason behind all this confusion is the widespread denial of the importance of free will.

In the answers to other questions, I talk about a power elite that is seeking absolute control over the people. This elite will do anything to spread false beliefs, through religion or science, stating that free will either does not exist or is not important. What this power elite is trying to do is to make you deny your God-given potential to manifest Christhood on earth.

If you deny the existence of free will, then it becomes exceedingly difficult to explain the obvious fact that there is evil on this planet. If you are a scientific materialist, you have virtually no explanation for evil, so most of these people tend to ignore it. I might add here that ignoring a cancerous tumor is not the best way to deal with it.

If you are a religious person, then you end up having to come up with a series of contrived arguments that somehow seek to deal with the problem that if human beings do not have free will, then God must have created evil. For most people, the idea that God has created evil just doesn’t sound right. It doesn’t sound right, because it isn’t right.

The reality of the matter is that God has not created evil. Contrary to what some religions teach, evil is not the polar opposite of God. God is a completely self-contained being and God has no opposite. I have earlier told you that when God starts creating the world of form, God creates two polarities, as illustrated in the Taoist symbol called the Tai-Chi. Nevertheless, evil does not form the polar opposite of God, and it does not even form the polar opposite of good.

The polarities of the Tai-Chi are not mutually exclusive. They are complimentary and through their interactions they bring forth a new aspect of the world a form. That aspect of the world a form will be in harmony with God’s law, and therefore it will be sustainable. It will not self-destruct.

The essence of evil is that it is not in accordance with God’s law. Therefore, evil does not form a creative polarity with good. Evil cannot create anything; it can only destroy. Nothing that is influenced by evil is sustainable, because it violates God’s laws. Therefore, anything affected by evil will be temporary, and it will eventually self-destruct.


Evil as the result of choice

Why is there evil in the world? The presence of evil is the result of a free-will choice, or rather numerous free-will choices. The original free-will choice that brought evil to this planet was not made by human beings. It was made by the leader of a band of Angels, and his name was Lucifer. Lucifer made the choice that he was not willing to follow one of God's commands. That command was that the angels of God were to serve human beings.

Lucifer made this choice because of pride. He wanted to be the most important angel in heaven, and when God refused to show this favoritism, Lucifer rebelled. You must understand that in heaven all beings have free will. Yet, because they clearly know the laws of God, it is extremely rare that a heavenly being will use this free will to go against the laws of God. However, it did indeed happen with Lucifer.

In heaven, all spiritual beings have unlimited potential for expressing their individuality and creativity within the context of God’s law. Yet, if a being chooses to go against God’s law, that being cannot remain in heaven. What is God to do with such beings? God has two options.

* God can consume these beings as if they had never existed. Our God is a consuming fire, and God can consume any part of the world of form, leaving absolutely no trace.
* God can give these beings a second chance to voluntarily choose to come back to the laws of God. However, if God does so, these beings cannot remain in heaven. Therefore, God must create some other place where these beings can reside. That other place is the material universe, including planet earth.

In the material universe, the energies are so dense that it is not immediately obvious that everything in this universe is created from God’s light. Therefore, this universe can serve as a temporary home for those beings who have stepped outside of God’s law and therefore no longer see themselves as God’s offspring. I want you to understand that this was not God’s original plan for the material universe. This was, to use a popular expression, Plan B.

I want you to know that during my life on earth, I and all of my close associates studied an old biblical text, called the Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch describes the process whereby fallen angels were cast out of heaven and took on human bodies. The Book of Enoch also states that these fallen angels have continued to appear in human bodies. I consider the Book of Enoch to be an extremely important work, and I would like all my followers to familiarize themselves with this book. If I studied it, why would you not study it? I might add that the Book of Enoch was later taken out of the orthodox Bible. I wonder why?


The origin of evil

My basic point is that the origin of evil was a free-will choice made by a group of very powerful spiritual beings who chose to rebel against God. They have since formed what I have called the power elite. Many of these souls have so far demonstrated an absolute commitment to stick with their original decision to rebel against God. Therefore, they have attempted to turn planet earth into a world where God does not exist. In other words, they want to shut God out of this world in an attempt to prove that they can exist without God. They also want to set themselves up as surrogate or false Gods on earth. They believe that their ends can justify absolutely any conceivable means. These souls will do anything to gain and maintain control over the people of earth.

Unfortunately, maintaining such control is not very difficult. The fallen angels have a powerful weapon in their quest for control, namely the relativity of the carnal mind. Any human being in the grips of the carnal mind is an easy target for the manipulators of this earth. If everything is relative, then everything can be defined by some authority here on earth, including right and wrong, truth and error. The fallen angels have created numerous philosophies in an attempt to spread false ideas.

You must understand that the power elite will do anything to prevent you from discovering the truth of God. For example, for the past 2,000 years they have attempted to use the orthodox Christian church to prevent the spreading of knowledge. For centuries, the orthodox church was a very efficient mind control machine, as the burning of books and the inquisition clearly demonstrate.

Today, the power elite is facing the problem that technology has made it easier than ever to disseminate information. They are attempting to cope with this by actually flooding the market with false information of every conceivable type. That is why you see so many books or websites that promote the most incredible theories (including a number of books that contain false theories about me and my true teachings). The hope of the power elite is that you will be overwhelmed by all of this information, so that you will either shut your mind (and refuse to consider any new ideas) or become so confused that you no longer know what to believe (and therefore end up doubting everything).

The only way to escape this subtle manipulation is to reach beyond the level of the carnal mind and put on personal Christhood. The essence of personal Christhood is the ability of discernment, the ability to discern what is of God and what is not of God. Therefore, a Christed being is the ultimate threat to the fallen angels who consider planet earth their territory. They will do anything to prevent a Christed being from walking the earth. They will do anything to prevent a large number of Christed beings from walking the earth. Therefore, they will do anything to prevent people from discovering and accepting the path of personal Christhood.

this is very good. you channeled it yourself or is there a link??

[kblood]

Can I take the question to another level? Why does God not help those who try to do the right thing? The best for instance I can think of right now are doctors who go against the norm, i.e. chemotherapy, vaccination, etc. Doctors who realise the dangers these 'treatments' pose are persecuted, prosecuted, hounded out of their profession and criminalised and ostracised. Why does God not help them? That's the question I need answering. Why are so many people in prison now, or lives ruined, liberaty taken away, all because they were truthful and honest and good. Why are they not being helped? Where is God?

God doesnt interfere with his creation, god just created it. As I see it, god is the creation. From what I have researched so far, the world is simply made in a way that the outcome of everything will always be overall good. Progress, evolution, love. Everything going towards a higher level.

So god does help these doctors. They are fighting against free willed humans who dont share their belief, and they are free to open private practices arent they? The government doesnt know about most of this, or doesnt care, so that is why we still have these. Personally I dont mind to make my body stronger through pain and learning anyway. Let them inject me with aids and cancer :) I just dont need doctors much so not much chance of that happening, unless they did that the first and only time.

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

I don't know about fascinating but God (if there is a God) isn't the one causing the destruction.

If there is a God and he gave us free will, why would he then overrule that free will?

It is time we stopped saying it is God's will or why doesn't God intervene, and take responsibilty. We personally may not be causing the trouble and destruction but by our apathy, ignorance, arrogance and acceptance we are allowing it.
good point

[drael]

Pain is growth, without it there would be no growth.

Natural disasters simply remind us nature is king, if we lived more in tune with nature we would have less of these problems. (ie didnt build our homes next to volcanos etc).

God also is a born being, like us, a child in the cosmos. As such, creation is a work in progress. All is growth.

[optimus pigpot]

Pain is growth, without it there would be no growth.

Natural disasters simply remind us nature is king, if we lived more in tune with nature we would have less of these problems. (ie didnt build our homes next to volcanos etc).

God also is a born being, like us, a child in the cosmos. As such, creation is a work in progress. All is growth.

Who told you this was the case? Fancy that, having such a close relationship with God. You're talking a pile of shit. You're no closer to God than the hedgehog at the bottom of the garden. Pain is not growth. Pain is pain, just as a car is not an apple.

Thanks Drael for sharing your knowledge, everything is better now.

[drael]

lol :) lighten up! All of this self-evident, or easily extrapolated - look at evolution for example, its primarily driven by death ie pain is growth. U know that old saying what doesnt kill u makes u stronger? The cosmos is the same as physical life, as above, so below - the hermetic laws, hence the universe is also growing...

but beleive what u want..i wouldnt have it any other way!

[alice34]

If there was a god, while in hell did he have to create Richard Dawkins?:D:D

[montag]

If there was a god, while in hell did he have to create Richard Dawkins?:D:D
To test your faith..:D:D:D:p

[masonfree party]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

because the world is run by elite masonic blood lines...god gave us free will so its up to us to deal with this vermin not pray to some bloody fantasy figure like christ..these evil bloodlines invented him anyway to give away our power

[galactic_stargazer]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.


My answer would be something like .....The 'picture' of God that Christianity puts forth, quite simply doesn't exist.

[tejas]

Reality is very strange indeed.

In my opinion, we are infinite beings each choosing to view our existance in a certain way.

The human consciousness is that which forgetting and learning is important to the experience.

We chose to view our existance in this way, it is the way it is.

When we die we can choose to view reality however we choose,

But there is only one truth, that we are infinite ISNESS itself, and that is unchangeable and cannot be tainted by perceptions ec

It is our choice that things are the way they are, we must actively become aware that it is our fear manifesting the atrocities in this world.

We must convert these fears into love, pure and unconditional, and then the reality changes.

Simple as that!

[tim the enchanter]

This is a question my friend wants answering, and that if I post it here I will get some fasinating answers.

"It there is a God, why is there so much trouble and destruction in the world?"

Please ..help me answer.

Because god, by his/her/god-knows-what-you'd-call-it's very definition, would not be bound to humanity and its nature, would be utterly unkowable in any "true" sense, and so thus obviating your question? I think perhaps that the Universe is an incomprehensively mysterious something as it is, let alone bringing "god" into the picture.

[tim the enchanter]

If there was a god, while in hell did he have to create Richard Dawkins?:D:D

He puts in an entertaining act in this:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7991385426492181792&q=God+on+the+Brain&total=2036&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[tejas]

He puts in an entertaining act in this:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7991385426492181792&q=God+on+the+Brain&total=2036&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Nice video

But it shows the simplistic perception of most mainstream scientists

[basel]

beck hawkins jericho - YouTube



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