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chattanova
06-04-2008, 08:32 AM
Want to see your 100th birthday? Be like the French and drink red wine

In the battle of the centenarians, it is an unequal contest. France and Britain have near identical populations, yet today 20,000 French citizens are aged 100-plus against 11,000 people in Britain.

The increase in the very old is happening across the Western world but the number in France has soared, according to the National Institute for Statistics and Economic Studies in Paris, which published the figures.

They show French centenarians have risen from 3,760 in 1990 to 20,115 in 2008, a more than five-fold increase. In Britain, centenarians are the fastest growing section of the population, yet we still trail our continental cousins. What is the secret of the French success?

France still holds the record for the world's longest lived person – Jeanne Calment, who died in 1997 aged 122 years, five months and 14 days. She attributed her longevity to a diet rich in olive oil, regular glasses of port and an ability to "keep smiling".

With her keen interest in good food and drink and zest for life she was the perfect advertisement for the health-giving properties of la vie française. Despite the French passion for cream, eggs and foie gras, le digestif after a meal, and an addiction to Gitanes cigarettes, they have half our obesity levels, less than half our death rate from heart disease and lower rates of cancer in women (but not men). They play boules and cycle, even in their dotage, which keeps them active enough to enjoy lunch. And lunch they take very seriously – a proper, sit-down, three- or four-course meal from an early age.

The biggest puzzle is how the land of Escoffier, with its love of rich food and creamy sauces, has managed to avoid an epidemic of heart disease. The French and British diets contain similar quantities of fat, at around 40 per cent of total calories, yet French rates of heart disease in the under-75s are less than half those in Britain.

Kay Tee-Khaw, professor of clinical gerontology at the University of Oxford, said: "France's high number of centenarians is interesting. A major cause of death in middle age is heart disease. Life expectancy from age 65 is substantially better in France, because they have substantially lower rates of heart disease. It is better in Crete and Greece, too.

"We know this must be due to lifestyle because the time trends are so clear. There have been massive changes [in longevity] and it has happened so fast it must be due to lifestyle but we have not been so good at understanding what aspects. I think red wine has something to do with it."

The low rate of heart disease in France, despite its rich diet, is the French paradox which has puzzled medical researchers for decades. US scientists have suggested the explanation could be the French habit of eating everything, but less of it.

Like Britain, the country has a north-south divide, with cream cheese and cider dominating menus in Normandy and fish, fruit and vegetables and olive oil rather than butter featuring more prominently close to the Mediterranean. Death rates fall as the consumption of fruit and vegetables increases.

Then there is the wine. There have been rapid increases in wine sales in the UK in the past decade, yet British consumption at 27 litres a head per year still has a long way to go to match the French at 64 litres. Despite drinking in greater quantities, the French drink more moderately, with meals, as opposed to binge drinking in Britain.

Red wine is thought to be good for combating heart disease. But Roger Corder, professor of experimental therapeutics at St Bartholomew's Hospital, London, and author of The Wine Diet, believes the explanation is more complex. He observed that the Gers region close to the Pyrénées in the south had twice the national average of men aged over 90.

When he analysed the Madiran wine, made with at least 40 per cent Tannat grapes grown in the region, he found it had among the highest levels in any wine of a plant chemical, procyanadin, which has a beneficial effect on the blood vessels.

"The wines to look for containing high levels of procyanadins are those with firm tannins made in the traditional way. It is not just about Madirans. There are plenty of choices out there."

He added: "But it is not just about wine. The French spend more on food and eat better quality and more variety. It is about a lifetime's habit. Cut out all this dieting nonsense and just eat healthily and exercise. The French join cycle clubs – and then go for fantastic lunches."

The French recipe for a longer life

The Germans have a saying: "Happy like God in France". A modern version might be "Happy like a wrinkly in France".

The explosion in the numbers of very elderly French is something of a mystery to the French themselves. And a bit of a worry. By mid-century, at the current rate, there could be 170,000 French centenarians.

The best guess of French researchers is that there is something in the French climate and diet which is conducive to long life. But climate and diet have been roughly the same for years. The proliferation of French centenarians, three quarters of them women, is explained by advances in medical treatment, and the generally lavish provision of good-quality healthcare since the 1940s.

A decade ago, American researchers discovered something that they called the "French Paradox". French people lived longer and were healthier even though they consumed many things – especially large quantities of red wine – which were supposed to inflict bodily harm.

The true paradox of French longevity is more complex than that. It is a series of interlocking paradoxes.

First, there are regional differences. Expectation of life is higher in the south of France than in the north, and especially high in the south-west. If you truly wish to live to be 100, you could try the red wine, olive oil, poultry, fish and haricots of the typical French south-western diet.

Secondly, longevity is supposed to be a sign of contentment. Yet polls and anecdotal evidence suggest the French are a naturally cantankerous and discontented people.

Finally,the French are no longer eating and drinking like the French. Medical researchers worry they have moved to a more Anglo-Saxon diet: more fat, more processed foods, more beer.

Perhaps there will not be a great great granny-boom in mid-century France after all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/want-to-see-your-100th-birthday-be-like-the-french-and-drink-red-wine-804902.html

madthumbs
06-04-2008, 04:32 PM
Wine often gives me heartburn. Is heartburn good for me?

What this article is missing is the fact that raw milk and cheeses are used in France.

From http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/homogenized.htm

The answer to the discrepancy between needing cholesterol for survival and finding it in heart disease victims comes from Dr. Kurt A. Oster, cardiologist. After suffering from two heart attacks, he was inspired to research how the atherosclerotic process worked. He discovered that the enzyme xanthine oxidase (Xo), which is present in cow's milk (as well as the milk of sheep and goats), can be very destructive to heart and arterial tissue when the milk is homogenized. In raw milk, both the fat and Xo are digested in the stomach and small intestines. They are either used or excreted. Xo is found in the liver of many animals, where it breaks down compounds into uric acid waste products. Humans have a natural reservoir of Xo in the liver. One of its chief functions is to destroy used plasmalogen (in the liver only). And there are barriers, which prevent Xo from entering the bloodstream.

saty
17-04-2011, 08:57 PM
Alchocol tastes awful and it is bad for health
However Bermet is a sweet wine and the only one i can drink.
A better option is eating red grapes-you get resveratrol and no alchol.A pure win.But you can get these only in autumn which sucks:(

yourbodyisall
17-04-2011, 10:35 PM
Alchocol tastes awful and it is bad for health
However Bermet is a sweet wine and the only one i can drink.
A better option is eating red grapes-you get resveratrol and no alchol.A pure win.But you can get these only in autumn which sucks:(

I always tell people this when they say red wine is good for you. Skip the poison and just eat grapes instead!

People tend to use this to justify their alcohol consumption as healthy.

kiolm
18-04-2011, 11:32 PM
I always tell people this when they say red wine is good for you. Skip the poison and just eat grapes instead!

People tend to use this to justify their alcohol consumption as healthy.

Yup.

Wine dries me out like nothing else will do. But I'm a firm believer in getting Intoxicated so if it's working for ya then knock your socks off.:D

dan duchaine
20-04-2011, 12:11 AM
Alcohol (ethanol) has been shown in moderate amounts to be very health giving.

deaur
20-04-2011, 01:00 AM
this is just an argument for the big whine companies to sell wine ! :cool:

morjo
20-04-2011, 04:18 AM
I think if you want to live as long as possible, then follow a traditional Japanese diet.

saty
23-04-2011, 02:26 PM
this is just an argument for the big whine companies to sell wine ! :cool:

well this is an interesting view.
Do you have any proof backing that claim?

mrunhappy
23-04-2011, 02:31 PM
Until recently I was drinking two bottles of red wine a day....

velasca
23-04-2011, 03:58 PM
Peter Ragnar drinks red wine.

That's enough for me.

truegroup
23-04-2011, 07:12 PM
I always tell people this when they say red wine is good for you. Skip the poison and just eat grapes instead!

People tend to use this to justify their alcohol consumption as healthy.

That famous quote springs to mind:

“If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and loving, you don’t actually live longer; it just seems longer.”

I think anything in moderation is fine. Sometimes extremely moderate, but that's the joy of drinking wine.:D

kiolm
24-04-2011, 01:41 AM
I think if you want to live as long as possible, then follow a traditional Japanese diet.

And be really short too:D

kiolm
24-04-2011, 01:43 AM
That famous quote springs to mind:

“If you resolve to give up smoking, drinking and loving, you don’t actually live longer; it just seems longer.”

I think anything in moderation is fine. Sometimes extremely moderate, but that's the joy of drinking wine.:D

Dayummmm TG I must be wearin on ya.lol. You done went and branched out:D

It's not so bad is it?;)

kiolm
24-04-2011, 01:44 AM
Until recently I was drinking two bottles of red wine a day....

I'm guessin your up to 3 ???:p?

deaur
24-04-2011, 04:24 PM
well this is an interesting view.
Do you have any proof backing that claim?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1148611/Drinking-just-glass-wine-day-INCREASE-risk-cancer-168--say-French.html

it`s on google --- one glass a day today and with this you become addictive and you will soon say 2 bottles a day or smth !

truegroup
24-04-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm guessin your up to 3 ???:p?

Ain't that puddytat in his avatar the saddest little animal ever?

creation
25-04-2011, 01:03 AM
Ive heard about this before...

Oh yeah it was a marketing scheme.

Though wine has great health properties when taken in proportion, by it self it will not help you live to 100 then any other health benefiting vitamin mineral or chemical.

You would still need to live a healthy stress free life style and have a seriously good diet and not smoke or drink to stand a chance of living that long.

Cancer and Alzheimers are both tremendously on the rise and the life expectancy is actually dropping now contrary to popular belief.

We are in sinister times as far as human health is concerned and the government are only perpetuating it.

now here
09-11-2011, 08:11 PM
It's much better to take resveratrol supplements; No alkohol, and alot more resveratrol. ;)

wingedwolfpsion
09-11-2011, 08:51 PM
Alcohol ITSELF has been shown in tests to help protect the cardiovascular system. Only in small amounts, of course. (About 1-2 drinks per day for men, and 1/2 to 1 for women).
So, the wine is still good for you. Not so sure about the sulfites, of course, but there is a reason 'the French effect' was noticed in the first place, so they must not be too horrible.

Alcoholics, of course, cannot drink alcohol any longer. They wouldn't have become alcoholics in the first place if they hadn't decided that using alcohol to get intoxicated was a good idea. I personally do not understand the appeal, it is a most unpleasant sensation, even at the level of a 'buzz'. (I've never actually been drunk, but it appears to be so much worse).
I've remarkably little sympathy for folks who do such things to themselves. One does not become an addict out of the blue--repeated abuse is necessary to achieve it. Each incident of abuse leading up to the addiction is a conscious choice.

blue2
09-11-2011, 08:59 PM
Alcohol part of wine not good though and neither are synthetic additives/chems like cancer giving Sulphites. If you have space have a grape vine and juice them, it's in the skin part reservatrol if i'm not mistaken.

wingedwolfpsion
09-11-2011, 10:28 PM
Ok, again, testing has shown that consumption of alcohol IN MODERATION helps protect the heart. Alcohol itself, not the other components in alcoholic beverages. So the alcohol in wine is responsible for PART of its protective effect.

Now, on to sulfites. Yes, some types are carcinogenic, but again, quantity is important, and so is context.

YOUR OWN BODY CREATES ABOUT 100 MG OF SULFITES EACH DAY.

The amount of sulfites in a glass of wine is about 10 MG...and white wines have slightly more than reds.

Wines naturally contain sulfites, because the yeast which ferments them produces sulfites.
Grapes naturally contain sulfites! Your grape juice isn't sulfite-free, either.
Sulfites bind aldehydes. Wines made without added sulfites are available if you hunt around (100% certified organic wines). They are very perishable, and may smell funny.

It's not the sulfites in the wine that cause headaches in some people, but some other as-yet unidentified compound, or combination of compounds. The 'sulfite free' versions also cause headaches for those folks.

Orange-colored dried apricots contain much higher levels of sulfites than wine, so if you think sulfites give you a headache, eat a couple of those. If you get no headache, that's your proof it wasn't the sulfites that caused it. (The apricots contain 10X as much sulfite in one ounce, as the glass of wine).

I don't know about anyone else, but it seems clear to me that 10MG more sulfites than your body already makes by itself isn't exactly something you should be worried about.

You could be consuming 1000MG or more of sulfites per day if you eat things like onions, eggs, garlic, and fruit. It's in a LOT of processed foods, too.

psilocybin
10-11-2011, 01:15 PM
I think if you want to live as long as possible, then follow a traditional Japanese diet.

Except skip all the pickled and salty foods as the Japanese have a highest rate of stomach cancer in the world.

psilocybin
10-11-2011, 01:18 PM
Ok, again, testing has shown that consumption of alcohol IN MODERATION helps protect the heart. Alcohol itself, not the other components in alcoholic beverages. So the alcohol in wine is responsible for PART of its protective effect.

Now, on to sulfites. Yes, some types are carcinogenic, but again, quantity is important, and so is context.

YOUR OWN BODY CREATES ABOUT 100 MG OF SULFITES EACH DAY.

The amount of sulfites in a glass of wine is about 10 MG...and white wines have slightly more than reds.

Wines naturally contain sulfites, because the yeast which ferments them produces sulfites.
Grapes naturally contain sulfites! Your grape juice isn't sulfite-free, either.
Sulfites bind aldehydes. Wines made without added sulfites are available if you hunt around (100% certified organic wines). They are very perishable, and may smell funny.

It's not the sulfites in the wine that cause headaches in some people, but some other as-yet unidentified compound, or combination of compounds. The 'sulfite free' versions also cause headaches for those folks.

Orange-colored dried apricots contain much higher levels of sulfites than wine, so if you think sulfites give you a headache, eat a couple of those. If you get no headache, that's your proof it wasn't the sulfites that caused it. (The apricots contain 10X as much sulfite in one ounce, as the glass of wine).

I don't know about anyone else, but it seems clear to me that 10MG more sulfites than your body already makes by itself isn't exactly something you should be worried about.

You could be consuming 1000MG or more of sulfites per day if you eat things like onions, eggs, garlic, and fruit. It's in a LOT of processed foods, too.

Seriously your posts are completely baseless.

When you are making such claims, be sure to post references, as you dribble complete nonsense all the time quoted from thin air.

Organic, preservative free wines taste delicious, have abundant levels of resveratrol and dont live you with a headache the next day.


Besides, organic red wine is where it's at, pesticide ridden wine is nowhere near as good.

"...resveratrol is a natural antibiotic and fungicide that's intelligently synthesized by the grape plant in order to survive a biological attack!

This means that the more natural fungi and bacteria a plant is exposed to, the more resveratrol it will produce."

http://www.naturalnews.com/033349_red_grapes_resveratrol.html#ixzz1dIxfaQHc

wingedwolfpsion
10-11-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm certainly not saying that organic wine is bad. I'm just saying that organic wine isn't free of sulfites, lol. It's not free of sulfites because grapes contain some sulfites, but more importantly, the yeast that ferments the grapes into wine produces sulfites.

http://waterhouse.ucdavis.edu/winecomp/so2.htm

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fy731

There, two .edu references.

Sulfites are antioxidants. Some individuals have a serious sulfite sensitivity problem, however, and they'll wind up with all SORTS of problems if they consume foods high in sulfites. These folks could never drink beer or wine, and must avoid onions, egg yolks, and many other high sulfite foods. Most of us, however, don't have that issue.

jamseyp5
12-11-2011, 09:00 PM
I always thought the French lived so long because they have a high fat diet?

saty
12-11-2011, 09:30 PM
live to 100? Stop watching Oprah

seeking_truth_lpool
12-11-2011, 10:10 PM
Booze is a poison? I can't figure that one out :D

gladys
12-11-2011, 10:49 PM
A very apt thread for me.

My Nan turned 100 years old today. She has smoked (occasionally), drank and shagged her way through life thus far (and that includes my father). And i have seen her pissed on barley wine more times than i care to remember.

I think her longevity is down to one thing, and that was not giving a fuck. She expressed herself in any way she chose and she didn't give a fuck what anybody else thought. She genuinely didn't. She has always lived each day as if it was her last and was proud of it.

She is still fairly compos mentis, still fairly healthy and still fairly active....and she's 100. An amazing woman. And an equally amazingly selfish, inconsiderate and uncaring old battle-axe. :D

Happy birthday to me nan. 100 today and pissed again. :D

marcusejc
12-11-2011, 10:51 PM
If alcohol was suddenly invented now, it would not be made legal. The amount of problems it causes is horrific. Of course, I am talking about excessive drinking. The problem is though, alcohol is addictive by its very nature. So even if you decide to only drink in moderation, there will be a chemical pull for you to drink more.

For me personally, I've never really much enjoyed the affect alcohol has. It's very much overrated, in my opinion. Especially when you actually get properly drunk. It's not a nice feeling at all really.

I read in one of Patrick Holford's books that the feeling of wellbeing that alchohol initially gives, is because it boosts a chemical in the brain called GABA (Gamma Aminobutyric Acid). But the problem is, it only temporarily boosts it, and then a short while later it drops, to a lower level than it was at before. So then you need to drink more to raise the GABA again. You can actually buy GABA as a nutritional supplement, because it is actually an amino acid.

Alcohol is an anti-nutrient. It depletes the body of nutrients. It also disrupts blood sugar control.

I'm not sure of the rumoured health benefits of small amounts of alcohol. The thing is though, I think it sends the wrong message. You certainly don't need to drink alcohol to be healthy and live a long time. And if the only change someone makes to an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle is to drink alcohol moderately, then that's of very little benefit really, and totally missing the point. You'd probably get more benefit by giving up eating burgers, or whatever.

If there was suddenly a news report tomorrow stating that very tiny amounts of heroin are very good for your health, I won't be doing that either.

Far better to stay away from things which have the potential to do harm, I think. But that's just my opinion. :)

wingedwolfpsion
13-11-2011, 04:38 PM
There's no evidence to suggest that alcohol in moderation has any addictive properties, or that people who drink a glass of wine with dinner have any pull to drink more of it.

There's no evidence to suggest that there are any risks involved with having 1 drink a day, unless you are diabetic or something. (There's a lot of stuff that people who have certain medical issues can't do, such as eat a normal diet).

There IS some assumption by the establishment that if you OD on something and it's harmful or addictive, that you should avoid that substance in any quantity, and that's just not the way life works.
There are many things good for you in small doses which are very harmful in large doses.

I don't understand the appeal of over-consumption of alcohol, either, but I like a beer or a glass of wine once in a while. One is fine, I have no desire for more. :P My body will tell me when alcohol is a good thing, and when it isn't, and my brain will do the rest.
I have alcoholics in my family tree, and 0 desire to ever get drunk, or drink regularly.