When should China and Russia invade USA?

[december]

The world is very sick and tired of the USA. It's time to stop them.

China, Russia start joint military exercise.

Russia and China conducted their first joint military exercises, dubbed “Peace Mission 2005,” last week. Many observers contend that the maneuvers were meant to send a clear message to the United States, Japan, and the rest of the world that the jury is still out over power in Taiwan and Central Asia.



http://english.people.com.cn/200508/26/images/0825_E32.jpg


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov (L Front) shakes hands with General Ge Zhenfeng, general director of the Chinese side of the exercise, when he confers a medal on Ge at the end of the China-Russia joint military exercises in east China's Shandong Province August 25, 2005. The first-ever China-Russia military exercises, dubbed "Peace Mission 2005," ended here Thursday after successful maneuvers of 10,000 troops from the Russian and Chinese navy, air force, army and paratroops. Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan and his Russian counterpart Sergei Ivanov attended the closing ceremony and reviewed the troops.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/21/xin_30080221155563671895.jpg

Ge Zhenfeng (2nd L), deputy chief of general staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army and Vladimir Moltenskoi (R), deputy commander-in-chief of Russian land forces, talk about the on-going Sino-Russia joint military exercise at a meeting in Qingdao in eastern China's Shandong province August 20, 2005. Some 10,000 Chinese and Russian troops launched the second stage of their countries' first-ever military exercises on Saturday in a demonstration of the strengthening ties between the former Cold War adversaries.

http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/08/18/vladimirputin_wideweb__430x351.jpg


http://www.worldpress.org/images/20050826-china-russia.jpg

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/22/xin_40080222092703101391.jpg

http://www.us-parks.com/pub/maps/radius/new_york_city.png

[arch]

O yeah!
Well, I think the United States will invade France, following a Russia + China + Europe coalition against the American Union. Will be the best way to 'control population' (kill 80%).

[december]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/09/26/uchina.gif

Beijing secretly fires lasers to disable US satellites

By Francis Harris in Washington
Last Updated: 1:55am BST 27/09/2006



China has secretly fired powerful laser weapons designed to disable American spy satellites by "blinding" their sensitive surveillance devices, it was reported yesterday.


The hitherto unreported attacks have been kept secret by the Bush administration for fear that it would damage attempts to co-opt China in diplomatic offensives against North Korea and Iran.

Sources told the military affairs publication Defense News that there had been a fierce internal battle within Washington over whether to make the attacks public. In the end, the Pentagon's annual assessment of the growing Chinese military build-up barely mentioned the threat.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/26/wchina226.xml

[gravityhero23]

Fuck off December - do you really want WAR????

What I mean by Fuck off is yeah Amerikkka is the aggressor but come on, get a brain. .. Do you think that the majority of people are war mongering sheeple?

no they are sheep, passive, non aggressive, brainwashed if you will.

the Communist charter is very similar to the UN charter..... the UN being an asset of the Illuminati. What is, was the G8 summit all about? world leaders meeting to decide how the divide between rich and poor can be stretched further, to the point of 500 million sole survivors....Are you on the list?

I didnt think so, so wishing death on any brother and sister of the human kind, seems very naive on your part. Agree?

Arch - wtf do you mean? Invade France, where did you get this information from? World War Third World War (remembering that the US and Uk, both have third world attributes) will be a staged and managed affair with the Euro and Americans fighting together against the East - -
. . what is America but a bloodline leap over the pond..

[arch]

A Bilderberg investigator/insider told that they have decided to invade France once there's no oil left. Since the US media has conditioned 69% of the Americans to think negatively about France already, this would be easy to accomplish. Wether it's an attack from the US or Islamists, Europe will accept the EU constitution.

I think the Middle East is just the beginning. An attack on Iran will cause major opposition from Russia.

It really looks like George Orwell's map is accurate.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1f/1984_Orwell_arrows_2.png/800px-1984_Orwell_arrows_2.png

Also, look at the Iron Curtain on the Euro coins from 2 Euro to 5 cent. From Eastern Europe to the world. And on the paper money there's a bridge coming from America to Brittain. Warned for ever since 1940 (http://jordanmaxwell.com/articles/british-israel/index.html).

[salenko]

Seems as though Russia and China are looking to become a joint superpower. They announced a plan last week that they were going to launch a joint mission to explore Mars and the Moon.

Here’s a link to the BBC article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6506539.stm

The fact that Russia and China are looking to work with each other might have something to do with the neo-con space agenda:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/neocons-in-space-preem_b_31536.html

[december]

Fuck off December ..

Is it a typical american greeting I asume?
Well, than FUCK OFF yourself, gravityhero23...

- do you really want WAR????..

No. I want to brake the Illuminati tool (the USA that is) which they use to create wars.

What I mean by Fuck off is yeah Amerikkka is the aggressor...

Well, you see - you agree with me here. See my previous post.

- but come on, get a brain. .. Do you think that the majority of people are war mongering sheeple?

Most of the people obviously are NOT war mongering sheeple.
We know that the war mongering monsters are those who David Icke calls the Illuminati who create wars for profit, and not people.

And please, gravityhero23, don't try to use your Talmud "logic" on me again. OK?

[lumukanda]

hey november, calling yourself december now i see.
so you still think that russia are the good guys eh? still think the illuminati is just the USA? i think you'll find in time you're wrong, the illuminati is everywhere, including (or should i say especially) in russia and china, and yes, in america too.

[wizard]

hmmm. Strange question. I would say never. War is never the answer. Things will change when enough people wake up i guess.

[arch]

There we have it. Operation Bite (http://www.rense.com/general75/bite.htm) will be the kick off for an Eurasia + Eastasia war against Oceania.

"Moscow must expert Russia's influence by demanding an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council to deal with the current preparations for an illegal use of force against Iran and the destruction of the basis of the United Nations Charter," said General Ivashov. "In this context Russia could cooperate with China, France and the non-permanent members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council#Members) (note: excluding the UK and US) of the Security Council. We need this kind of preventive action to ward off the use of force," he concluded.

[december]

hey november, calling yourself december now i see.
so you still think that russia are the good guys eh? still think the illuminati is just the USA? i think you'll find in time you're wrong, the illuminati is everywhere, including (or should i say especially) in russia and china, and yes, in america too.

You are just like Zombie. I mean - the way you think.
Many people - just like yourself - after reading a very convincing David Icke books began to think that "the illuminati is everywhere" and all we have left to do is simply discuss what they do and nothing else.


If you (whoever you are) know my nickname "November" which used on closed davidickeforum.com than you did read my posts concerning Russia vs NWO. But I guess you didn't bother to STOP AND THINK and do some research on that subject.
I seems to me that many people (in the West) are so very comfortable(?) with the idea that "the illuminati is everywhere" that they are ready to attack anyone who says it is NOT so.
It looks like MOST people enjoy discussing all those microchips, Patriot Acts, CIA prisons and simply want to convince themselves that Illuminati is the boss (and "it's everywhere").

:)


You, lumukanda, claim that "the illuminati is everywhere".
OK. I see your point. :)

But!

If this is so, than tell me - why did Russia get rid of the major Illuminati oil corporations and other Illuminati companies, which managed to move into the post soviet territories DUE TO ANARCHY AND LAWLESS TIME right after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Also, please explain why most of (if not all) Illuminati organizations (including Soros' creations) had beed closed by the Russian government and kicked out of the country?

Also, if Russia is under the Illuminati control than would you please explain why is it the Russian government arrested major Illuminati player in Russia and REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ILLUMINATI BANKER JACOB ROTHCHILD?

http://genealogia.netopia.pt/images/pessoas/pes_102906.jpg

Arrested oil tycoon passed shares to banker.

LONDON (Agence France-Presse) — Control of Mikhail Khodorkovsky's shares in the Russian oil giant Yukos have passed to renowned banker Jacob Rothschild, under a deal they concluded prior to Mr. Khodorkovsky's arrest, the Sunday Times reported.

Voting rights to the shares passed to Mr. Rothschild, 67, under a "previously unknown arrangement" designed to take effect in the event that Mr. Khodorkovsky could no longer "act as a beneficiary" of the shares, it said.

Mr. Khodorkovsky, 40, whom Russian authorities arrested at gunpoint and jailed pending further investigation last week, was said by the Sunday Times to have made the arrangement with Mr. Rothschild when he realized he was facing arrest.
Mr. Rothschild now controls the voting rights on a stake in Yukos worth almost $13.5 billion, the newspaper said in a dispatch from Moscow.

http://newsmine.org/archive/cabal-elite/families/rothschilds/mikhail-khodorkovsky-gives-shares-to-rothschild.txt

And guess what happened to the shares which Mikhail Khodorkovsky passed to Jacob Rothchild?
They turned into useless paper after a court in Moscow declared Jacob Rothchild controlled oil giant Yukos bankrupt.


If you claim that the illuminati is everywhere, including (or should i say especially) in russia" than why would they arrest a Jacob Rothchild man and liquidate a Jacob Rothchild company? :)

Yukos declared bankrupt by court

Troubled Russian oil firm Yukos has been declared bankrupt by a court in Moscow, clearing the way for the firm to be liquidated.
The decision ends a three-year court battle for survival, after Yukos was hit with a huge back tax bill.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5233664.stm

A Jacob Rothchild's man in Russia Mikhail Khodorkovsky before his arrest and after -

http://www.winne.com/topinterviews/images-interv/khodorkovsky.jpg

http://www.kommersant.com/photo/300/DAILY/2004/051/big.jpg



And by the way, take a look at the logo of the FORMER Illuminati oil giant Yukos, it does look like the Illuminati pyramid -


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/1/1e/Yukos_Logo.png/199px-Yukos_Logo.png


And also I wouild like to hear from you an answer to this question - if Russia really IS under the Illuminati control than why is it the Illuminati media (especially BBC, MSNBC and CNN) are doing their best to blackmail Russia and Putin?

During the early 1990s after the "collapse" of the USSR when there was almost anarchy in every aspect of life in Russia, the western (Illuminati) media was filled with articles which claimed that Russian people "are finally enjoying liberties and freedoms", and that "after the long years of communist rule the society of law has been restored".

But what's funny is that NOW when Russia's economy is stabilized and growing, and law and order WAS trully restored, the very same media (infact the SAME people) say that now there are no freedoms in Russia and a "Transition Period" (from communism (or whatever it was) to the free market economy)... failed! :)

Are they saying it because Illuminati companies and Jacob Rothchild personally lost in Russia thier money, thier organizations and their people? :cool:

:)

[lumukanda]

well forgive me, you obviously know much more on the subject than i do, but i will say this, you president used to be the head of the soviet KGB, doesn't that make you think? just like george bush was, dodgy people man.

secondly, what is all this censorship of journalists, i mean it's pretty harsh, some end up dead, is that freedom, is that what the west can look forward to when russia liberates it? (granted this kind of thing happens in the west too)

you know as well as i do that life on the streets in russia is hell, drugs, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, it's not all roses, is that what the west can look forward to?

i will look into your links, but i stick to my guns man, if you think russia is what will liberate us from the illuminati, think again, only we will, ourselves.

ps, do you still live in the USA?

[december]

well forgive me, you obviously know much more on the subject than i do, but i will say this, you president used to be the head of the soviet KGB, doesn't that make you think? just like george bush was, dodgy people man.

secondly, what is all this censorship of journalists, i mean it's pretty harsh, some end up dead, is that freedom, is that what the west can look forward to when russia liberates it? (granted this kind of thing happens in the west too)

you know as well as i do that life on the streets in russia is hell, drugs, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, it's not all roses, is that what the west can look forward to?

i will look into your links, but i stick to my guns man, if you think russia is what will liberate us from the illuminati, think again, only we will, ourselves.

ps, do you still live in the USA?

lumukanda, I am sorry but you sound like a man who have learned by heart everything what the CNN and BBC report on the daily basis. :)

You know, when I visit the BBC web site and if there is an article about Russia most of a time it is about some explosion, about murder, vodka and cold weather... That's all they wish to report, I guess. :)

Why is there not a word about these events, let say? - Russians at the Kourou space center in French Guiana
http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20070306/61625742_1.html

or - Motobike Salon 2007 in Moscow
http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20070323/62496839_1.html


lumukanda, what exactly are talking about here?
You said that "Illuminati is everywhere". Correct?
So, what does "drugs, human trafficking, weapons trafficking" thing have to do with your claim?

And by the way, where are you getting this info from?
What "human trafficking" are you talking about? WHERE did you read about it? CNN? BBC?

If some people in Russia (or in any other country) do something illegal than the proper authorities take care of these criminals. Right?
So, how does it help you to make your case, to support your claim that you've made?

Can you answer that?

lumukanda, you cannot just totally ignore the fact that the Illuminati banker Jacob Rothchild lost TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars, lost oil company Yukos, and also you cannot just totally ignore that number one Illuminati man was arrested and sent to prison for NINE years on the orders of Russian president Putin and continue to tell me that Russia is controlled by the Illuminati.

Where is logic, lumukanda? Or maybe you just didn't read my post?

So, please, lumukanda, ANSWER my questions which you can find in my previous message and only then we'll continue our discussion.

Let's conduct a conversation in a proper manner:

1 - question - answer;
2 - you make a claim (with a quotes and sources to support it) - I respond.

OK?

http://en.rian.ru

:)

[lumukanda]

i'm actually not having a discussion with you december, you believe i'm a zombie, i believe you're a zealot, i'm cool with that, i know what i am, and from watching you for ages on the old forum, i've got an idea of who you are too.
it is interesting though that you didn't respond to the freedom of the press in russia, but no matter.
do you really think that money actually matters to the illuminati though?

[december]

Well, so far there is no answer from lumukanda...

:cool:

Check this cool video, people - Su-37(NATO A.K.A.Terminator)

And turn up the volume... :)

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://wwp.new-york-usa.com/images/new-york-city.jpghttp://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-37/images/Su-37_18.jpg

The Sukhoi Su-37 (NATO designation: Flanker-F) is a Russian multi-role jet fighter aircraft.

The Su-37 is a single-seat, all-weather, fighter and ground attack prototype aircraft, derived from the Su-27 'Flanker'. The Su-27 is a successful Soviet fourth generation jet aircraft that has been exported to over 20 nations. The Su-37 test aircraft made its maiden flight in April 1996 from the Zhukovsky flight testing center near Moscow.

The Su-37 included several updates over the Su-27, including all-weather multi-mode passive electronically scanned array radar with synthetic aperture, terrain avoidance, terrain mapping and a rear facing radar. The airframe includes a percentage of parts made from composites, unlike the all-metal Su-27. Additionally, the Su-37 incorporates the AL-37FU engines equipped with thrust vectoring. The Su-37’s nozzles are variable in pitch only and travel plus or minus 15 degrees, but they can be operated differentially to provide a rolling moment. The aircraft is also the first Russian aircraft with Hands On Throttle and Stick, or HOTAS, system. The Su-37 also stores a radar in the tailcone of the plane that allows it to fire missiles behind the plane.

The engine not only incorporates TVC but also is tough and resistant to engine surge even during classic, inverted and flat spins, giving better reliability and maneuverability, such as when the AOA is as high as 180 degrees.

The Su-37 can carry air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons on 12 stations. The number of missiles and bombs carried can be increased to 14 with the use of multi-payload racks.

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/

[timestop24]

well forgive me, you obviously know much more on the subject than i do, but i will say this, you president used to be the head of the soviet KGB, doesn't that make you think? just like george bush was, dodgy people man.

secondly, what is all this censorship of journalists, i mean it's pretty harsh, some end up dead, is that freedom, is that what the west can look forward to when russia liberates it? (granted this kind of thing happens in the west too)

you know as well as i do that life on the streets in russia is hell, drugs, human trafficking, weapons trafficking, it's not all roses, is that what the west can look forward to?

i will look into your links, but i stick to my guns man, if you think russia is what will liberate us from the illuminati, think again, only we will, ourselves.


Exactly. :rolleyes:

[teslafire]

When Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wang Yi addressed the prestigious annual forum of NATO defense ministers in this historic Bavarian city, he heralded the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, founded only last June, as the crucial "new security concept" necessary to guarantee peace and stability in Central Asia, and to lead the fight there against terrorism.

The SCO was set up last June 15 at a summit in the southern Chinese city of Shanghai attended by Chinese President Jiang Zemin, Russian President Vladimir Putin and the leaders of several Central Asian nations. Its military cooperation structure was deliberately modeled in part on the old Soviet-led Warsaw Pact and it includes nations with more than a quarter of the human race with more than 2 million soldiers under arms.

Whether by fortuitous accident or deliberate design, the organization was set up the very same day President George W. Bush, speaking in the Polish capital, Warsaw, pledged to extend the NATO alliance to include all the nations of Central and Eastern Europe.

Readers of UPI Analysis should remember that final phrase "fair and equitable new international order" with which Wang ended his speech. It clearly indicates China finds the current world order neither capable of bringing peace and prosperity, nor maintaining either of them. Beijing, therefore, is determined to "work vigorously" toward creating such a "new international order" and is "ready to strengthen its coordination and cooperation" with any other country that feels the same way.

http://www.rense.com/general19/oppo.htm

[rasnalgoul]

regardless as to whether or not the illuminati exist in russia, according to what your saying, they still plan to make war with the US. How is that a good thing? I agree that the US is a cess pool of corruption and a source of lots of terrible things in this world, but they arent soley to blame. Suppose Russia and china do invade the US. Do you honestly think everything bad is going to go away? Really, I dont understand how people still see war as an answer. US has invaded Iraq and destroyed so much. How would a joint Russia/China invasion of the US be any different. What Im trying to say is war is destruction no matter how you look at it. Why is it that theres always the bad guys and the good guys have to come and 'save' the day. Though the bad guys who really pay the price are the countless people who are murdered who are guilty for nothing except trying to make ends meet day by day. Really, why isnt it the 'leaders' of nations duking it out? How does vaporizing thousands of civilians make any sense? December before you get all excited about this supposed invasion, why dont you consider the kind of pain that it will cause. When I think of war I dont have glorious visions of fighter jets making perfect shots and tanks rolling up on beaches locked and loaded, which is pretty much the movie version, I tend to think of bullets ripping through flesh, people screaming in terrible pain, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, daughters, and sons having to witness the gory and violent deaths of their kin. And for what? What is so hard for people to understand? When will people realize how ludicrous it is to allow themselves to be suited up and sent to go kill someone they have never met and know nothing about because their government told them to do so. When should china and russia invade the USA? Never, and there should never be any other invasions of any kind. Sound like a bunch of hippy nonsense? Why is it so difficult? Is war really easier?

[december]

regardless as to whether or not the illuminati exist in russia, according to what your saying, they still plan to make war with the US. How is that a good thing?

Hello, rasnalgoul.
Thank you for posting.

You see, Russian people don't want the war. But the world cannot live under American (Illuminati) dictatorship any longer...

So, the goal is to liberate American people from the Illuminati regime.
And actually not just American people but to liberate the whole world.

[december]

Russia launches new nuclear submarine

http://img.rian.ru/images/6369/81/63698185.jpg

The Yury Dolgoruky, a Borey-class nuclear missile submarine, was built at the Sevmash plant in the northern Arkhangelsk Region. It will be equipped with the Bulava ballistic missile, which is adapted from the Topol-M (SS-27).

http://img.rian.ru/images/6369/77/63697732.jpg


The submarine has a length of 170 meters (580 feet), a body diameter around 13 meters (42 feet), and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It can carry up to 16 ballistic missiles.


http://img.rian.ru/images/6369/76/63697611.jpg

Left to right: Russian Navy Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Masorin, Vladimir Pastukhov, CEO of the Sevmash Group, First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov and Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov near the new strategic nuclear submarine Yury Dolgoruky.

[lumukanda]

Hello, rasnalgoul.
Thank you for posting.

You see, Russian people don't want the war. But the world cannot live under American (Illuminati) dictatorship any longer...

So, the goal is to liberate American people from the Illuminati regime.
And actually not just American people but to liberate the whole world.

yes, i remember that well, you have been liberated by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the polish, the ukranians, the czechs, the east germans and all their friends loved being liberated by the russians.

this article goes a long way to showing what life under russian 'liberation' will be like:

Police beat anti-Putin protesters in St Petersburg

Riot police wielding batons beat, kicked and chased anti-Kremlin protesters through the heart of St Petersburg on Sunday, a day after Russian authorities snuffed out a similar rally in Moscow.

In the last few months police tactics against opposition marches have been to forcefully clear them off the streets after a certain period of time, a plan which has often led to the mass detention of activists, drawing criticism from the West.

Sunday's violence began when about 500 demonstrators calling for the resignation of President Vladimir Putin moved towards a metro station after an officially-permitted protest ended.

Police wearing crash helmets and armed with full-length metal shields and rubber truncheons moved into the crowd, a mixture of people from students to old women.

Police arrested some protesters and pushed others to the ground where they kicked and hit them with their batons. Some chased individuals through the streets.

"Stop the beating," demonstrators shouted at the police. "Fascists. How much did Putin pay you?"

The police herded about 150 protesters into police vans, and continued to hit some of them with batons inside. The city authorities had allowed the protesters to hold a meeting, but had banned the march.

Opponents of Putin, acting under the umbrella organisation Other Russia, planned two rallies over the weekend.

Authorities banned the main rally on Saturday in Moscow and detained several hundred protesters there, including former world chess champion Garry Kasparov.

Kasparov said the recent heavy-handed policing showed the authorities' contempt for democracy.

"The regime is no longer paying attention to legalities. Yesterday [Saturday] in Moscow and today in St Petersburg the Russian Constitution was suspended," he told Reuters.

"Now we can see the true colours of Putin's regime."

Russian television news, which is state controlled, gave little attention to Sunday's protest and fighting.

Other Russia brings together Kremlin opponents from across the political spectrum, from liberals to communists. They say Putin has trampled on democratic freedoms and they demand a free and fair presidential election in 2008.

Detentions
Other Russia has only marginal influence as the vast majority of Russians support Putin, whose seven years in power have been marked by huge oil and commodity wealth and the return of national pride after the chaotic post-Soviet 1990s.

Sunday's rally in St Petersburg attracted about 3 000 people. The cellphone network had been blocked and police trucks mounted with water cannon were parked in side streets.

"Freedom!" the protesters shouted. "Putin is the enemy of the people."

The leader of the left-wing National Bolshevik party, Eduard Limonov addressed the crowd: "Our demand is the resignation of the government and the president and free and fair elections this year and next."

Police later detained him at a St Petersburg apartment.

Earlier police detained dozens of protesters heading towards the rally, organisers said.

"Police detained me as soon as I left my house this morning," rally organiser Olga Kurnosova, leader of Kasparov's political party in St Petersburg, told Reuters by telephone from police custody.

In March riot police used batons to break up a march by Putin opponents who blocked one of St Petersburg's main roads. - Reuters
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=304794&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

[timestop24]

When will people realize empire or "liberation" in any form(Russian, Chinese, American, coming NWO) is an illusion? Its not that hard to see actually.

[teslafire]

When will people realize empire or "liberation" in any form(Russian, Chinese, American, coming NWO) is an illusion? Its not that hard to see actually.

Yeah, good point, I didn't understand why December was stumped till I realized he was homesick for his mother Russia while he resides in Chicago where he hates everybody.

[december]

yes, i remember that well, you have been liberated by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the polish, the ukranians, the czechs, the east germans and all their friends loved being liberated by the russians.

this article goes a long way to showing what life under russian 'liberation' will be like:


http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=304794&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

lumukanda!

First of all, you don't know what you are talking about.

You know...

It sounds like you read the Illuminati "news" sources like CNN and BBC and then repeat their thoughts... :)

And second, I was not talking to you, lumukanda.
So, why would you answer to a post which was addressed to someone else?

And by the way, you still did not answer my questions....

:)

[lumukanda]

so those arrests didn't happen? is there freedom of assembly in russia? is it a democarcy? doesn't look that way.
public forum mate, i'll answer any post i like, so tell me, will this new russian liberation by anything like the soviet liberations?
i don't intend answering you questions, but i will be asking more, not really to get an answer from you, but more to illustrate my own points. that ok? thanks.

[gravityhero23]

chill out November to December,

it's ok to have differing opinions on such overwhelming subjects. Why didn't you respond to the information regarding the UN charter and the Communist manifesto pray tell?

I was unjust in my opinion on your intent. I apologise - - - - -

BTW I reside in the heart of the spider centre - - not American nor am I a proponent/practitioner of Talmud logic. I'm semi well read on these subjects - from Eric Phelps (without the Dogma), to Nietzsche, Robert Anton Wilson, to William Blake. Can you suggest some good Russian authors of note besides Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Solzhenitsyn, more modern and illuminated.

just for the record I was impying that WAR is no good


Invasion is no good


Simple logic

although non euclidean fifth postulates are revealing like the fifth circuit opening up and closing
.

Can you feel your heartbeat as anything other?


kind regards

An anti-jesuit journeyman

[tickles]

Wicked!. That planes does some amazing flying.

Btw, I'm opposed to a war. I'd rather see them (illuminati) all taken out of power through "other" means. That would be my preferred way of stopping them.
I mean, why does your average joe have to die. They're/ we're not the enemy.

[december]

Btw, I'm opposed to a war. I'd rather see them (illuminati) all taken out of power through "other" means.

Like what? What "other" means?

[december]

Newest submarine delivered to U.S. Navy

05/ 05/ 2007

http://www.mnc.com/images/Virginia%20Class%20Sub/VirginiaClassSub.jpg

WASHINGTON, D.C., May 4 (RIA Novosti) - The U.S. Navy commissioned its newest nuclear-powered attack submarine at Groton, Conn., Saturday.

Admiral Gary Roughead, commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, arrived for a ceremony to officially commission the 7,800-ton, 117-m Virginia class SSN 776 Hawaii just released from General Dynamics' Electric Boat shipyard.

The Pentagon touts Virginia class submarines, three (including Hawaii) already operational and another seven contracted for Electric Boat and Northrop Grumman Newport News, as the first major combatant ships approved since the end of the Cold War.

Powered by non-rechargeable nuclear reactors, they can operate globally, combining warfighting and intelligence/reconnaissance missions onshore, in the littoral areas, and at open seas thanks to long endurance, advanced connectivity options, a weapons load including Mk 48 torpedoes and Tomahawk land attack missiles, and an advanced SEAL delivery system.

Donald C. Winter, the Secretary of the Navy, described these submarines as the weapon that will enable the United States to effectively respond to new threats and challenges, and will give its forces the required flexibility, as Virginia class submarines can be assigned individual missions and are also fully integratable with carrier strike groups.

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