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[jimmi]

A few years ago a young Pakistani guy started his own clothing brand called, 'Paki', his aim was to reclaim the term, paki and shift it from a term that was abusive to a word that every Pakistani person would be proud to associate themselves with.
I was impressed,and wished him well with his mission.

So here is your first opportunity to join the new Free Masonic Society!

It is free to join, we accept anyone who identifies with the desire to be free you don't have to sign anything or wait for acceptance by anyone. You are free to decide what regalia you wear , and free to meet with other Free Masons wherever and whenever you wish,(I suggest the pub while you are still free to do so) You can have your very own personal secret handshake but you should not tell anyone what it is (even your fellow Free Masons) 'cos then it won't be secret.

Our mission is to promote freedom.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

[danielson23uk]

So just to get this clear in my own head, you've set up a society which anyone can join without any regulation, rules or objectives. Paedophiles, Murderers and Rapists may participate as a gesture of open 'Freedom' and meet up with other members of society who find their conduct absolutely abhorrent. It is completely impossible to recognise, regulate and vouch for one of these protagonists because they all have their own individual regalia and pass grips and words but it's all ok.
I don't think you've thought this through jimmi so in the words of Duncan Bannatyne, "I'm out!"

[jimmi]

I assume then that your objection to joining is that you would not wish to be a member of a society that includes people who can be labelled as paedophile etc.
And I have to agre with you there, I personally find paedophiles difficult to associate with, but having to do so has given me the greater strength of character that helps me along my path to the freedom I wish to experience.

[jimmi]

and my curiosity asks ... would you prefer to be 'in' a 'secret society' which enables paedophiles etc to operate with impunity, and therefore sanctioned by the other members even tho' they themselves would find those acts abhorrent?

[danielson23uk]

I assume then that your objection to joining is that you would not wish to be a member of a society that includes people who can be labelled as paedophile etc.
And I have to agre with you there, I personally find paedophiles difficult to associate with, but having to do so has given me the greater strength of character that helps me along my path to the freedom I wish to experience.
I can imagine it's difficult trying to take anything positive from sharing a cell with a Paedophile Jimmi. There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do but I've endeavoured to reciprocate likewise. The freedom you seek is there Jimmi. Just keep your head down, do what the guards say and don't piss off Mr. Big and I'm sure your parole will be just round the corner before you know it. Be careful in those tight jeans jimmi.

[tylerstoast]

I assume then that your objection to joining is that you would not wish to be a member of a society that includes people who can be labelled as paedophile etc.
And I have to agre with you there, I personally find paedophiles difficult to associate with, but having to do so has given me the greater strength of character that helps me along my path to the freedom I wish to experience.

You have to associate with paedophiles ? You have my sympathies there, I fear I couldnt be in the vicinity of a proven paedo without giving into the urge for violence against him.

"difficult to associate with" is a massive understatement

[jimmi]

P.S. I'm going in the bath before leaving for a party, but will reply to any more as soon as.

[danielson23uk]

and my curiosity asks ... would you prefer to be 'in' a 'secret society' which enables paedophiles etc to operate with impunity, and therefore sanctioned by the other members even tho' they themselves would find those acts abhorrent?
No. But then your curiosity is ill informed and rhetorical. I'll give you 5/10 for composition and suggest you study Geoffrey Chaucer for a more comprehensive use of rhetoric.

[tylerstoast]

I can imagine it's difficult trying to take anything positive from sharing a cell with a Paedophile Jimmi. There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do but I've endeavoured to reciprocate likewise. The freedom you seek is there Jimmi. Just keep your head down, do what the guards say and don't piss off Mr. Big and I'm sure your parole will be just round the corner before you know it. Be careful in those tight jeans jimmi.

aaahhh a bit more clarity there as to why you have to associate with them.

Good luck Jimmi

[jimmi]

I can imagine it's difficult trying to take anything positive from sharing a cell with a Paedophile Jimmi. There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do but I've endeavoured to reciprocate likewise. The freedom you seek is there Jimmi. Just keep your head down, do what the guards say and don't piss off Mr. Big and I'm sure your parole will be just round the corner before you know it. Be careful in those tight jeans jimmi.

had to reply to this tho'.... thanks I'm laughing ... honest really am...and you're very close with your assumptions this time ....bye for now

[asdfg]

I can imagine it's difficult trying to take anything positive from sharing a cell with a Paedophile Jimmi. There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do but I've endeavoured to reciprocate likewise. The freedom you seek is there Jimmi. Just keep your head down, do what the guards say and don't piss off Mr. Big and I'm sure your parole will be just round the corner before you know it. Be careful in those tight jeans jimmi.

So Danielson23uk, you are you assuming that Jimmi is a convict? There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do. You shouldn't assume such things about people.

By the way, how can one's curiosity about anything be ill-informed? If somebody is curious about something, it means that they are seeking an answer to a question - It is usually the answer that is ill-informed, e.g. when the answer is based on inaccurate knowledge/understanding of the subject matter.

By reading your posts in this thread it just seems like you are trying to cause arguments where there are no arguments to be caused. Your posts seem completely irrelevant to Jimmi's original post. It would have been far more constructive if you had thought about what you wanted to write and what reaction it may incur before you hit the submit button.

I fail to see the humour or relevance when you refer to "Mr. Big" and "tight trousers". Sorry buddy, but I have no idea what you are trying to say or where you are coming from with those comments. Actually, it would have been far more constructive if you hadn't posted anything anything at all.

I'll give you 0/10 for your contributions to this thread.

Take it easy...

[jimmi]

No. But then your curiosity is ill informed and rhetorical. I'll give you 5/10 for composition and suggest you study Geoffrey Chaucer for a more comprehensive use of rhetoric.

I interpret the 'no' as you stating that you would not wish to be involved with a 'secret' society like freemasonry then. And for the sake of brevity I admit that my written english here is necessarily of a lower standard than the works of chaucer and one or two others. So the more detailed explanation of my involvement with the groups of people that you had on your mind when you introduced them to this thread is that I work with them and try to help them find a less painfull route through this existence. I wonder why you try to bring attention to the negative and bring such bile to an obviously humorous thread.

[jimmi]

and I've just read reply from asdfg, thanks for that, wanna be a Free Mason?

[icke and ham]

No. But then your curiosity is ill informed and rhetorical. I'll give you 5/10 for composition and suggest you study Geoffrey Chaucer for a more comprehensive use of rhetoric.

Cor, dont you talk posh. I bet you learnt that at a good school, not like an east ender like me.

retoric eh? Did the mason's teach you that along with grammer (and proper speling)

I though this thread would show me how to join the mason's so i could mix with you and you wouldnt know. Jimmi is just being silly i think

[danielson23uk]

So Danielson23uk, you are you assuming that Jimmi is a convict?
Quote:
There are lessons to be learned by making assumptions as you do.
You shouldn't assume such things about people.
asdfg, thank you for proving my point for me. Had you read my post properly you would notice that I have chosen to 'reciprocate likewise' thus I was deliberately making the same mistake in wrongly assuming things about Jimmi just as he wrongly assumes things about freemasonry. Do try to keep up with basic language asdfg. If you need me to write in smaller words just let me know.

Jimmi, I'm confused now. You said:
I interpret the 'no' as you stating that you would not wish to be involved with a 'secret' society like freemasonry then.
But actually your question was:
.....would you prefer to be 'in' a 'secret society' which enables paedophiles etc to operate with impunity, and therefore sanctioned by the other members even tho' they themselves would find those acts abhorrent?
I don't know where my answer to your question leads to your interpretation. I concur that you do lack the ability of Chaucer to harness rhetoric more constructively and that actually your attempt at "..an obviously humorous thread..." is in fact far from humorous to me as a Freemason and I find it offensive.
How very pious of you to rehabilitate paedophiles as a profession and then log on to the internet to ridicule innocent law abiding citizens in your spare time. How very morally uplifting for you. I hope that's working well for you.
" good afternoon, my names Jimmi and I'm a criminal rehabilitations facilitator but on my days off I persecute innocent people because I'm not in their club...."
Who's next on your list Jimmi? Know any good black jokes? How many kikes to change a lightbulb jokes? What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes? I'm sure you could create a folder of 'humour' at all sorts of different parts of society. We'll all laugh we promise. The blacks love a good joke about the colour of their skin. Maybe we could start on the Irish or do some Gay jokes too. Your punching above your weight Jimmi. Just say sorry and we'll agree to differ.:mad:

[jimmi]

Wow, Dan. Having just read some links from here to your freemasons forum I understand why you're so peed off. There's some bad stuff there purporting to be by folks from this site and it's understandable that you've come out with all guns blazing.

I posted this thread with the intention of addressing the reverse side of secrecy and certainly not as a 'dig' at you or anyone else,your replies however have fallen far short of charitable, and you've not explained adequately what you require an apology from me for. If you would like to apologise to me then I accept graciously and no gloating from me.

I assure you that I am fully aware of your weight and it is a light burden that I have no difficulty bearing, and although this will slip past most readers understanding make no mistake that if I need to punch then you would feel it.

[danielson23uk]

Jimmi, you're now back tracking trying to disassociate yourself with other prejudices but rest assured you were and are being offensive to Freemasons by suggesting that our fraternity harbours and thereby condones Paedophilia. If you can't see why I think you should apologise then you're not nearly as bright as I originally gave you credit for.
I'm glad you have the strength to bear my weight my brother as I am able to bear yours. Do you have the intellect to see when you're wrong to ostracise a society whose only aims are to promote peace, love and harmony?

[jimmi]

Now that's better, eh? good luck in your endeavour to promote Peace, Love and Harmony.

And long may you have the Freedom to do so.

[danielson23uk]

Now that's better, eh? good luck in your endeavour to promote Peace, Love and Harmony.

And long may you have the Freedom to do so.

Apology accepted!

[jimmi]

I'm glad to have brought a little happiness to you.

[darketernal]

Jimmi, you're now back tracking trying to disassociate yourself with other prejudices but rest assured you were and are being offensive to Freemasons by suggesting that our fraternity harbours and thereby condones Paedophilia. If you can't see why I think you should apologise then you're not nearly as bright as I originally gave you credit for.
I'm glad you have the strength to bear my weight my brother as I am able to bear yours. Do you have the intellect to see when you're wrong to ostracise a society whose only aims are to promote peace, love and harmony?

The bait is out there. Ok I'll bite. Yes I'll do more than imply, but will flat out state that Freemasonry harbours pedophiles. This is not a court of law so I am not trying to prove this, before EVERY freemason on the forum yells "Where is your proof?!!!". I've seen these things first hand, and have no problem at all telling any Freemason which denies it that either they have not experienced this side of their religion as of yet then, or they are covering it up. It is perfectly reasonable for both types to deny it, and I will be far more surprised if just one says "Well it might be possible...".

[jacob sladder]

The bait is out there. Ok I'll bite. Yes I'll do more than imply, but will flat out state that Freemasonry harbours pedophiles. This is not a court of law so I am not trying to prove this, before EVERY freemason on the forum yells "Where is your proof?!!!". I've seen these things first hand, and have no problem at all telling any Freemason which denies it that either they have not experienced this side of their religion as of yet then, or they are covering it up. It is perfectly reasonable for both types to deny it, and I will be far more surprised if just one says "Well it might be possible...".

Dark Eternal you state that you have SEEN these despicable practices 'first hand'.
Are you then a voyeuristic paedophile attending such a meeting (and one presumes a sort of Freemason) if the meeting was in a 'Lodge' of Freemasons?

Otherwise, how could you possibly know? Please don't say that you've read it or have been told such things happen.

JS

PS At the risk of repeating things ad nauseum:Freemasonry is NOT a religion......:rolleyes:

[danielson23uk]

The bait is out there. Ok I'll bite. Yes I'll do more than imply, but will flat out state that Freemasonry harbours pedophiles. This is not a court of law so I am not trying to prove this, before EVERY freemason on the forum yells "Where is your proof?!!!". I've seen these things first hand, and have no problem at all telling any Freemason which denies it that either they have not experienced this side of their religion as of yet then, or they are covering it up. It is perfectly reasonable for both types to deny it, and I will be far more surprised if just one says "Well it might be possible...".

So as jacob sladder says, you've seen it FIRST HAND!!! And who would ever say that you're lying?! Because in the absence of any proof the only thing that could make your allegation tangible is a supposed 'eye witness account'.
A very poor effort in just casting disinformation DE. Why don't you spend your time asking real questions if you want to know what we get up to instead of making yourself look silly.
Freemasonry is nothing to do with religion either. That's how much you know!

[the guy in pink]

...flat out state that Freemasonry harbours pedophiles. .....I've seen these things first hand, .....
A Few questions for you.
Did you participate in these practices?
Did you report what you saw first hand to the police or a child protection agency ?
What did you do to protect the children at the time?

[danielson23uk]

A Few questions for you.
Did you participate in these practices?
Did you report what you saw first hand to the police or a child protection agency ?
What did you do to protect the children at the time?

He posted his 'evidence' of an EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT on here TGIP aren't you paying attention?!:D:D
It really is such playground drivel!
" Mr. Davies the Geography teacher is a gay because I saw him doing it to Mr. George with my very own eyes!!!! Honest!!! Grow up!!
I might add how very brave of you it is to suggest such atrocities 'to any Freemason' from behind the safety of a computer. Your parents must be very proud.

[jimmi]

Ah well, I suppose even dark clouds have the freedom to stop little rays of sunshine from lighting up some peoples lives.

Maybe I should have set some rules in place for replies to this thread, but I think not. I hope that anyone who wishes to post comments regarding paedophilia, rape, murder and whatever else will find more suitable threads on which they can voice their opinions.

FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUM

[danielson23uk]

Ah well, I suppose even dark clouds have the freedom to stop little rays of sunshine from lighting up some peoples lives.

Maybe I should have set some rules in place for replies to this thread, but I think not. I hope that anyone who wishes to post comments regarding paedophilia, rape, murder and whatever else will find more suitable threads on which they can voice their opinions.

FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUM

LOL Just like Mel Gibson that was!:D

[chrism]

It seems we have descended to mud slinging. All I can say is that if I ever came accross anyone, Freemason or not, who was actively or inactively participating in abuse of any kind, they would be reported to the proper authorities immediately.

I know this is not a court of law, but if you really experienced this first hand, there are a lot of people who will help you prosecute the guilty parties. If they are found not guilty, then I can honestly say I do not know of ANY freemason who would acquit a paedophile purely on the basis of his membership.

This sort of accusation is upsetting, especially without proof, and you will no doubt draw fire because of this...

Chris

[jimmi]

LOL Just like Mel Gibson that was!:D

Spot on Dan.

[icke and ham]

All I can say is that if I ever came accross anyone, Freemason or not, who was actively or inactively participating in abuse of any kind, they would be reported to the proper authorities immediately.



Chris

But if we belive dark eternal has seen these things shuldnt the Icke forums report him through his isp like pedos are going to be sorted out by new laws?

That gives decent Icke members more credit and gets Dark eternals collar felt. cant abide that stuff masonic or not.

[chrism]

But if we belive dark eternal has seen these things shuldnt the Icke forums report him through his isp like pedos are going to be sorted out by new laws?

That gives decent Icke members more credit and gets Dark eternals collar felt. cant abide that stuff masonic or not.

Firstly, if I believed Eternal Spirit was involved in this then I would report him/her myself, but I don't.

Secondly, I believe that freedom of speech and expression is very important. If ES thinks we are evil then he/she should be allowed to say so. I do think, however, that some of the points coming across (as 'facts' given to the public) are tantamount to libel. This is a published, public forum and the moderators need to be aware that saying things like this without justification or proof and defamation of character is a crime.

I am not interested in pursuing this personally, nor do I think is any other masonic individual here, but is Grand Lodge was to come across this, or if this site was quoted in a journal or newspaper, then both the individual posting, and the forum publishing, would be in serious trouble.

I hope for the sake of continuing our rational debate on this forum that those posting can moderate their own posts to ensure that where 'facts' are presented as such, the poster will have evidence to back up their allegations.

I try to offer evidence where I make a statement, otherwise my offerings are opinion only and this is always made obvious!

Chris

[chrism]

You need to read up on how forums work man!... the poster is responsible for their postings and that itself is moderated... the responsibly of the content is STILL down to the poster and not the staff/admin of this site... yes some may be seen by you as libel, but then you have to act on that and try get the person done, would look interesting all the info in court..

Umm - read my post please??

I am NOT going to act on that... I thought it was clear!

C

[beldazar]

Yes chrism, you have made a good point there...why do the people who try to expose the conspiracies concerning freemasonry NOT get done for libel or slander.......I wonder why........:D

[chrism]

I wonder why........:D

I think because it would be a thankless and frankly pointless job prosecuting them. Instead we should be trying to educate, which is possibly what some of us are doing here. Our problem is that we can be far too defensive at times!

Love the avatar by the way - as a long time photographer who loves cloud formations I have to ask - photoshop or natural (or nicked!)?

Chris

[beldazar]

nice reply chris, i was expecting to be attacked like poor jimmi was! I saw straight away that he was just looking for a solution to todays problems, it wasnt another dig at freemasons. But I suppose you have had your fair share of ridicule along the way.....
My avatar was nicked! I googled sylphs and thats what I got! You may call it a cloud formation but others may call it something else, who's to say who is right.
I will add a little extra here, going oiff track, I think education has done a bit of damage to our society as a whole, left us little room for imagination I think.:)

[perry_mason]

Beldazar, how would you say education has damaged society? Do you mean formal education or parental education so to speak?

I'd of thought being able to read, write and perform 'rithmatic would be to the benefit of society.

[beldazar]

Yes you are correct with the 3 r's maybe but the whole education system is designed for us to learn hard and fast, to develop one half of the brain, get good qualifications to get a good job, work your butt off trying to make ends meet, take one or two (or none or more) holidays a year, complete with the stress of going on holiday, taking your chances it will be a relaxing or invigorating one, having no time for your children and other loved ones, and have little time left to even think.
This is to develop intelligence maybe, but even intelligence isnt defined, maybe its just the ability to retain and recall information, and to get the neurons working faster. I would far rather be wise than intelligent any day!

[chrism]

Yes you are correct with the 3 r's maybe but the whole education system is designed for us to learn hard and fast, to develop one half of the brain, get good qualifications to get a good job, work your butt off trying to make ends meet, take one or two (or none or more) holidays a year, complete with the stress of going on holiday, taking your chances it will be a relaxing or invigorating one, having no time for your children and other loved ones, and have little time left to even think.
This is to develop intelligence maybe, but even intelligence isnt defined, maybe its just the ability to retain and recall information, and to get the neurons working faster. I would far rather be wise than intelligent any day!

I agree. Education now concentrates on the retention of simple facts and knowledge, rather than the development of skills such as logical thought, reason and enquiry.

I would suggest also that a lack of proper education in terms of cause/effect, concentration on empathy and a lack of open information in classrooms and society as a whole is responsible for many of the problems we see in modern life.

I saw a news section a few weeks ago, where a visiting MP asked the kids how many of the 10/11 year olds were going to go to university, and they all put their hands up, and he thought this was a good thing! I don't see how losing 100% of school leavers into higher education when only around 15% of jobs require graduate skills is in any way useful to the country. Experience means as much as education for most jobs!

We are losing the ability to make our own minds up. Maybe that is the idea!

Chris

[perry_mason]

Yes you are correct with the 3 r's maybe but the whole education system is designed for us to learn hard and fast, to develop one half of the brain, get good qualifications to get a good job, work your butt off trying to make ends meet, take one or two (or none or more) holidays a year, complete with the stress of going on holiday, taking your chances it will be a relaxing or invigorating one, having no time for your children and other loved ones, and have little time left to even think.
This is to develop intelligence maybe, but even intelligence isnt defined, maybe its just the ability to retain and recall information, and to get the neurons working faster. I would far rather be wise than intelligent any day!

I agree that there seems to be a culture of testing for the sake of testing in attempt to get students to regurgitate facts rather then think about them. However, I think that people who are inclined towards more imaginative and artistic aspects will always gravitate towards them, it's not something you can beat out of a student with testing. You have to add in the pressures that teachers and LEAs are under to meet targets set by people who have either lost perspective or never even had a concept of the pressures and demands of the education system.

The working life has always been stressful, I count myself lucky that I'm not from a few generations back, talk about awful jobs and poor conditions. I'd rather be sat at a desk anyday. There never was an Albion where we wandered blissfully in a sea of self-sustainability and relaxed contentedly with full bellies.

[beldazar]

Sounds right. I think apprenticeships were a good idea, hands on experience, shame thats not an option any more. So many people come out of education thinking they know what they are doing, for example, a young childless health visitor told me to give my colicky two month old baby a polo to suck on, Ijust looked at her.
The thing that annoys me about education, is that very little is taught about the important things in life, like how to get along with other people, understand each other, how to treat each other and accept our differences etc... Although I have noticed in the last few years that psychology is being taught, at least in the sixth form (or is that year 12 now) Its a start....

[perry_mason]

How do you teach 'people skills' (I hate that phrase) though. Some people are sociable and co-operative, others aren't. It's a shame that whenever there's a drive to increase open-mindedness in communities it just gets levelled with being PC Pinko rubbish.

[chrism]

How do you teach 'people skills'

I think the best way is with good ol'fashioned debate and - again - reasoning with kids rather than giving them the answers.

I moved house every 2 - 3 years as a kid, and had to make new friends every time I did so (Army brat I'm afraid) and although you cannot replicate this in civvy life very easily it seemed to work for me.

I think sports have a good place to play in the people skills equation too - the more one interacts on a physical 'battlefield' the more one is prepared for the social one, especially with the 'rules' of interaction and sports usually having some strong parallels.

Personally, I have confidence and charisma (not that I reckon it's working on this forum) and I am so modest it almost makes me blush.

[beldazar]

By the way Perry, can you be sure there was never an Albion, where we wondered blissfuly with sustain ed bellies? How do you know our history is correct and not just an account the 'powers that be' wanted us to believe? From what I have looked into so far, our history may not be as accurate as we would like. Another fault with the education system perhaps?

You are correct with the open-minded people being suppressed. I would go even further and say that what if a great injustice has been done to people classed as mentally unbalanced, take schitzophrenia, in the western world they are drugged and/or locked up. In some indigenous tribes, it is seen as gift and said these people have the ability to converse wth spirits.

[beldazar]

Ah Chrism, I dont agree with you there, to me sports creates a divide (our team is better than YOUR team,) it creates sides and reminds me as a preparation for silly war games us so-called adults get up to. I would rather that all stopped.
My mum had to move very often with her Dad in the forces, she hated it. It all depends on the childs personality I suppose, whether they make friends easily and dont mind losing them so quickly.
Reasoning with children also depends on the child, some you cant reason with, (like my 12 year old 'kevin' lol)

[perry_mason]

By the way Perry, can you be sure there was never an Albion, where we wondered blissfuly with sustain ed bellies? How do you know our history is correct and not just an account the 'powers that be' wanted us to believe? From what I have looked into so far, our history may not be as accurate as we would like. Another fault with the education system perhaps?
.

Fair point, but there's no archiological evidence, like many other things I take an empirical stance on this. It's part of the human condition to believe that something has been lost, a great truth or a time of happiness, but as you say a lot of historical evidence for ancient Britain is hazy. The only sources are biased ones such as Julius Caesar but that's all we have to work with along with whatever Time Team can dig up.;) I think your right in that the full picture of the island's history is not given enough time in schools, but then education doesn't begin and end in the classroom.

I feel we did lose many spiritual connections during the Roman Invasion/Occupation/Transformation such as the slaughter of the Druids on Anglesey where a culture was systematically obliterated. But to be honest I'd rather try and build a real Albion than speculate about what may have been. There are ways to regain what was lost (or to gain what we never had) whether that be through Freemasonry or whatever suits you best.

[darketernal]

So as jacob sladder says, you've seen it FIRST HAND!!! And who would ever say that you're lying?! Because in the absence of any proof the only thing that could make your allegation tangible is a supposed 'eye witness account'.
A very poor effort in just casting disinformation DE. Why don't you spend your time asking real questions if you want to know what we get up to instead of making yourself look silly.
Freemasonry is nothing to do with religion either. That's how much you know!

I'm not concerned with looking silly. So a few people think that my statements make me appear as a complete ass, so I should just stay silent.

For the record years ago I did file a police report against two pedophiles as a witness, and named other witnesses. Two of who told the investigator there was something to the story, but they would refuse to testify to anything or give a statement, and an investigator told me this in person.

When I say things on the forum and masons ask for more details about me personally, do not expect them. You keep your secrets, and I keep mine. It is simply in my best interest to tell you nothing about myself. I'm not another DI, who feels a great need to stand up on a stage in public and talk about what I know. I'm not someone important in the public eye, with credentials to validate the stories I've been a part of, or the mysteries I've uncovered in my life.

Who would believe me anyways? Nonetheless, you are allowed to say your part on this forum, without proof, and I am simply speaking mine.

[chrism]

Ah Chrism, I dont agree with you there, to me sports creates a divide (our team is better than YOUR team,) it creates sides and reminds me as a preparation for silly war games us so-called adults get up to. I would rather that all stopped.
My mum had to move very often with her Dad in the forces, she hated it. It all depends on the childs personality I suppose, whether they make friends easily and dont mind losing them so quickly.
Reasoning with children also depends on the child, some you cant reason with, (like my 12 year old 'kevin' lol)

Yes - team sports and also individual ones can create a divide, but I don't think this goes against my point that they enhance people skills. When everyone agrees, the language is a lot less interesting than when they oppose - and my other belief that Debate increases people skills comes in here.

I am not talking about football supporters etc shouting on the terraces - most team sports are played in a gentlemanly fashion and require 'sporting' behaviour. you are constantly meeting new people, either as the opposition or on your own team, and integration is a requirement, not an option, if you want to succeed.

My mother was not too keen on moving either, she put up with it, but for me it was great. New schools, new friends, new towns in foreign countries - it was like an adventure!

Good luck with your 'Kevin' too - only another 8 years of teenagerhood to go...!

Chris

[jacob sladder]

I'm not concerned with looking silly. So a few people think that my statements make me appear as a complete ass, so I should just stay silent.

For the record years ago I did file a police report against two pedophiles as a witness, and named other witnesses. Two of who told the investigator there was something to the story, but they would refuse to testify to anything or give a statement, and an investigator told me this in person.

When I say things on the forum and masons ask for more details about me personally, do not expect them. You keep your secrets, and I keep mine. It is simply in my best interest to tell you nothing about myself. I'm not another DI, who feels a great need to stand up on a stage in public and talk about what I know. I'm not someone important in the public eye, with credentials to validate the stories I've been a part of, or the mysteries I've uncovered in my life.

Who would believe me anyways? Nonetheless, you are allowed to say your part on this forum, without proof, and I am simply speaking mine.

Hang on a minute - you said originally you saw it 'First Hand'? I repeat was this in a Lodge (of some sorts) then?

Were the people you considered taking action against Freemasons? If they were - can it be proved that any illegal actions they may have been involved in was connected with their membership of Freemasonry? Or were they members of a Rugby club, The Lions and a Gentleman's club also?

I have to say, I am disappointed by your reply.

[danielson23uk]

Hang on a minute - you said originally you saw it 'First Hand'? I repeat was this in a Lodge (of some sorts) then?

Were the people you considered taking action against Freemasons? If they were - can it be proved that any illegal actions they may have been involved in was connected with their membership of Freemasonry? Or were they members of a Rugby club, The Lions and a Gentleman's club also?

I have to say, I am disappointed by your reply.
And so you should be jacob_sladder. This is the sort of "I've seen it with my own eyes" crap that goes on on here and no one seems to ever say "prove it then!"

Now, having told us all that he was witness to an act of child abuse (which he claims was part of a Lodge) he's now saying "yeah well I don't like to talk about it".
I have a more plausible theory. You're full of shit.

[icke and ham]

You're either full of shit or you really saw it and dont care about the children who were abused.

Which one is it DE? Im getting a better feeling about the mason's here than crap posters like you.

[chrism]

Icke - seems like the title of this thread could be getting to you!!

We do try to keep a level head, but some of us are more experienced than others on forums such as this. Some expect rational debate and others know that the first insult is just around the corner.

A lot of people hear bad things about the masons (on sites like this as well as from friends and family, TV, radio etc) and then repeat it to others. They think because the information came from a trusted source, it must be true. They are not consciously lying, but simply passing on untruths without being aware of it.

The ability to question everything given as a fact is an important trait, and one which I had expected more people on this site to do than pretty much anywhere else. Whenever we hear in the media of a 'source close to X' we have to wonder how close that source actually is!

Keep asking the questions - we are only providing our opinions except where we provide proof, and this is usually explicit in the wording of the post.

C

[chrism]

Are there any post/threads on the freemason sites named "Join The David Icke Supporters">?... because as you seem to think it is OK in advertising what is obviously a corrupt organisation on this site, would it be allowed on their sites?.

Hi Greenleaf.

The original thread was a parody and actually anti-masonic - we have been answering questions on this thread as a result.

Think what you like of us, we are not stupid enough to try to recruit on this site! Oh - and if the corruption is obvious, why are we unable to find any evidence of it?

As for kids getting abused... I know 2 mason who have been done for it [1 still doing time], luckily they just happen to be mason and were abusers anyway... sort of like saying kenneth noir is a road rage murdering bank robbing thief so all masons must be is a bit too much... The secrecy IS part of the corruption that allows things to happen behind closed doors then has nothing to do with it when exposed IMO.... and just because the majority are police, they feel they have power in my area, through their inbred families.

I'm glad a paedophile has been caught and sent down - one less on the streets potentially harming our children.

This is an issue then of a man who was a paedo and also a mason then, not abusing kids with the support of freemasonry?

Oh - and while the police are well represented in many of our lodges, the badge is what gives them the power, not their membership of what is only really a club.

The inbred thing only really applies in Norfolk and parts of Shropshire.

C

[the guy in pink]

.... and just because the majority are police, they feel they have power in my area,

Majority are Police? More than half then?
That means in The UK over 150 000 Masons are policemen is that right?
In other works you are saying every single policeman in the UK is a Mason, is that right?
My goodness ......

[icke and ham]

Some people are making big jokes here. some people do not see the joke. They are the ones who are the joke!

Jimmi started the thread as a spoof "free masons" not really freemasons who are chris and daniel. I quote

So here is your first opportunity to join the new Free Masonic Society!

It is free to join, we accept anyone who identifies with the desire to be free you don't have to sign anything or wait for acceptance by anyone. You are free to decide what regalia you wear , and free to meet with other Free Masons wherever and whenever you wish,(I suggest the pub while you are still free to do so) You can have your very own personal secret handshake but you should not tell anyone what it is (even your fellow Free Masons) 'cos then it won't be secret.

So if Daniel started a thread called "Who wants to join the Dave Icky Gang" you would take it as a genuin Icke club wuld you greenleaf?

and wuld that be a corupt organisation?

What a larf!

[intruder]

I must break out into SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

"hoodwinked and slipshod, but I know my liquor!!
Obey the master, and of course do not bicker.
Lambskin aprons, tied with a string...
these are a few of my favourite things!!!"

[chrism]

I did try to state that it wasn't the fact they were masons, they just happen to be members...no it wasn't with masonic/freemason support as far as I know and I do know a lot about the case... in detail. [remember some here, namely me, are uneducated and raised in children's homes, this creates automatic suspicion in all walks of life!..also deep abruptness or attitude may be read].. nr. York, the inbreeding is still ongoing..

& Pink: I meant exactly what I said... the majority....this does NOT mean ALL.. put words into your own mouth and I'll try back mine up!.

I did get your original point - thanks for posting your beliefs, I was not trying to demean them at all. This is the start of healthy debate.

Pink was pointing out that you saif the mayority of freemasons are police (mening over 50% of masons are in the force). As there are only around 150000 police in the UK, and over 300K masons, this would mean every police officer would have to be a mason for your allegation to be true.

I know - picking a hole / splitting hairs is not the best way forward sometimes, but our reactions to allegations can be as aggressive as your suspicions.

The York thing I will have to take your word for!

I am sure we will never overcome your suspicions, but hope you will continue to question us in the constructive way you now are.

Kind regards,

Chris

[chrism]

I must break out into SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

"hoodwinked and slipshod, but I know my liquor!!
Obey the master, and of course do not bicker.
Lambskin aprons, tied with a string...
these are a few of my favourite things!!!"

Great - can I pinch that for my next toast at the Festive Board?!?

Chris :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Lol :D

[thelonious]

Obey the master, and of course do not bicker.


Yeah, that's not too likely. In reality, during Lodge meetings, there's often an hour argument over what kind of food to serve at the next meeting. And that's not even beginning to include debate over Lodge business.

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by icke and ham View Post

But if we belive dark eternal has seen these things shuldnt the Icke forums report him through his isp like pedos are going to be sorted out by new laws?

That gives decent Icke members more credit and gets Dark eternals collar felt. cant abide that stuff masonic or not.



Quote : chrism

Firstly, if I believed Eternal Spirit was involved in this then I would report him/her myself, but I don't.

Secondly, I believe that freedom of speech and expression is very important. If ES thinks we are evil then he/she should be allowed to say so. I do think, however, that some of the points coming across (as 'facts' given to the public) are tantamount to libel. This is a published, public forum and the moderators need to be aware that saying things like this without justification or proof and defamation of character is a crime.

I am not interested in pursuing this personally, nor do I think is any other masonic individual here, but is Grand Lodge was to come across this, or if this site was quoted in a journal or newspaper, then both the individual posting, and the forum publishing, would be in serious trouble.

I hope for the sake of continuing our rational debate on this forum that those posting can moderate their own posts to ensure that where 'facts' are presented as such, the poster will have evidence to back up their allegations.

I try to offer evidence where I make a statement, otherwise my offerings are opinion only and this is always made obvious!

Chris

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wtf:confused: What is this bullshit??? Explain yourselves???



http://blogs.cisco.com/gov/angry%20man.jpg

[chrism]

wtf:confused: What is this bullshit??? Explain yourselves???

Hi ES.

Put plainly - Provide evidence not allegation. Otherwise state it is an opinion.

Clear now??

C

[lizzy]

I must break out into SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

"hoodwinked and slipshod, but I know my liquor!!
Obey the master, and of course do not bicker.
Lambskin aprons, tied with a string...
these are a few of my favourite things!!!"

LOL:D

[eternal_spirit]

Hi ES.

Put plainly - Provide evidence not allegation. Otherwise state it is an opinion.

Clear now??

C

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Of what????? On what issue /topic be specific??

[lizzy]

Hi ES.

Put plainly - Provide evidence not allegation. Otherwise state it is an opinion.

Clear now??

C

Evidence has been plastered throughout numerous theads . You choose it disregard it.

[chrism]

............................................


Of what????? On what issue /topic be specific??

Gosh - this really is like wading through treacle.

If you have an opinion, please post it. If you are stating things as facts, you should be happy to source your facts. Simple, unfounded and sometimes just plain wrong statements like 'masonry is obviously criminal' do no-one any favours, it just spreads the ignorance! Temper this with 'I think it is obvious that...' or 'in my opinion...' and people understand where you are coming from.

Love the picture on your last post BTW - reminds me of my Granny.

Shame I got her looks...

Chris

[eternal_spirit]

Gosh - this really is like wading through treacle.

If you have an opinion, please post it. If you are stating things as facts, you should be happy to source your facts. Simple, unfounded and sometimes just plain wrong statements like 'masonry is obviously criminal' do no-one any favours, it just spreads the ignorance! Temper this with 'I think it is obvious that...' or 'in my opinion...' and people understand where you are coming from.

Love the picture on your last post BTW - reminds me of my Granny.

Shame I got her looks...

Chris
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I've no time for bullshit cya

[chrism]

Evidence has been plastered throughout numerous theads . You choose it disregard it.

NO - It has not. Statements have been made but no evidence has been provided. So far it is just mud-slinging!

I know you have your own reasons for disliking us, but this is a forum for reason and evidence is it not?

For Example: If the case of the mason who was sent down for paedophilia is true, there will be court records, news stories and other 'evidence' to link to. FWIW I think this story could well be true, because there are bound to be a number of reprobates in any society, but (once again) freemasonry does not approve of, condone, support or hide kiddy-fiddlers.

Chris.

[chrism]

........................

I've no time for bullshit cya

Thank God for that. Bye!

Right - anyone got any serious questions then?

[danielson23uk]

I must break out into SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p

"hoodwinked and slipshod, but I know my liquor!!
Obey the master, and of course do not bicker.
Lambskin aprons, tied with a string...
these are a few of my favourite things!!!"

That is FAB!!!! :DI love it. Can you do the whole song so I can sing it at the next meeting? Thanks;)

[lizzy]

Thank God for that. Bye!

Right - anyone got any serious questions then?

Yes, do you know adimon?

[chrism]

Yes, do you know adimon?

No, sorry - can you point me in the right direction?

Chris

[chrism]

Just found them on the forums, I don't recall the name but the signature rings a bell.

C

[danielson23uk]

Just found them on the forums, I don't recall the name but the signature rings a bell.

C

Who is he then?

[chrism]

Who is he then?

A poster on these forums - check out his profile. I don't see the relevance to me or really to this thread but he may have opinions about us!

C

[danielson23uk]

A poster on these forums - check out his profile. I don't see the relevance to me or really to this thread but he may have opinions about us!

C

Oh ok. Is anything relevant to this thread anymore?:confused:

[intruder]

That is FAB!!!! :DI love it. Can you do the whole song so I can sing it at the next meeting? Thanks;)

why not!!

Jachin and Boaz and symbolic resurrection
passwords and handsigns to inhibit infection
A worshipful master who sports a big ring!!
These are a few of my favorite things!

A tripod with marble, known as a Lewis
our good works speak volumes so don't try to screw us
black and white tiling that don't mean a thing!!!
These are a few of my favourite things!

When the hand grips
When the paw lifts
When I'm feeling sad...
I simply remember my imminent death
and then I don't feel so bad!!:eek:

[chrism]

why not!!

Jachin and Boaz and symbolic resurrection
passwords and handsigns to inhibit infection
A worshipful master who sports a big ring!!
These are a few of my favorite things!

A tripod with marble, known as a Lewis
our good works speak volumes so don't try to screw us
black and white tiling that don't mean a thing!!!
These are a few of my favourite things!

When the hand grips
When the paw lifts
When I'm feeling sad...
I simply remember my imminent death
and then I don't feel so bad!!:eek:

That is fantastic!:D:D - thank you for the effort you must have put in!

It will be put to good use at the next initiation I'm sure.

[darketernal]

Hang on a minute - you said originally you saw it 'First Hand'? I repeat was this in a Lodge (of some sorts) then?

Were the people you considered taking action against Freemasons? If they were - can it be proved that any illegal actions they may have been involved in was connected with their membership of Freemasonry? Or were they members of a Rugby club, The Lions and a Gentleman's club also?

I have to say, I am disappointed by your reply.

Did I say I was trying to prove freemasonry as a whole was guillty of this? No. However I'm simply stating a reply to several of the freemasons on this threat, who have invaded this forum out of obvious fear of what people who listen to what Icke has said about them might believe any of it, one of whom stated that the OP owes them an apology for saying freemasonry was involved in pedophilia as part of some of its rituals, and I've stated that I do not believe them. My reasons for not believing them is first hand experience. I don't have the power to prove anything by myself, however it is my right to say, "hold on a minute... don't expect me to believe what you just said about your organization after the things I've experienced, and don't expect me or anyone else to apologise to you for speaking our minds."

I do not owe you or anyone from your organization an explination or an apology. If it is your free will to continue to defend an organization such as this, that is your right. The freemasons on this forum do not have any evidence for their side either, other than word of mouth. Guilty and innocent members of their RELIGION both will make the same claims on these things, that being a claim of denial.

[intruder]

and there is NO malice in my posts.
it's just good fun, and I wanted to bring some levity to the whole affair.

[danielson23uk]

Did I say I was trying to prove freemasonry as a whole was guillty of this? No. However I'm simply stating a reply to several of the freemasons on this threat, who have invaded this forum out of obvious fear of what people who listen to what Icke has said about them might believe any of it, one of whom stated that the OP owes them an apology for saying freemasonry was involved in pedophilia as part of some of its rituals, and I've stated that I do not believe them. My reasons for not believing them is first hand experience. I don't have the power to prove anything by myself, however it is my right to say, "hold on a minute... don't expect me to believe what you just said about your organization after the things I've experienced, and don't expect me or anyone else to apologise to you for speaking our minds."

I do not owe you or anyone from your organization an explination or an apology. If it is your free will to continue to defend an organization such as this, that is your right. The freemasons on this forum do not have any evidence for their side either, other than word of mouth. Guilty and innocent members of their RELIGION both will make the same claims on these things, that being a claim of denial.

So you can't prove it then. Ok just say that then. Very brave to say directly that Freemasonry condones pedophilia because you've seen it First Hand and then retreat saying it's just your opinion. You are of course entitled to it and attempting to alter it will cause you to believe it further. But your accusations have left everyone here with an opinion of you. Because you claimed to have proof of something that you've now retracted from.

By the way, this isn't an invasion. It's breaking down the barriers of discrimination. If you have a problem with that please say so that we can further appraise our opinion of your morals.

[danielson23uk]

and there is NO malice in my posts.
it's just good fun, and I wanted to bring some levity to the whole affair.

Great stuff Intruder. Incidentally the Chequered pavement has a meaning but I think you know that but couldn't make it rhyme, but if you didn't we can explain it for you.:D:D 10/10

[danielson23uk]

clutching at straws for ridicule...don't embarrass yourself any more.... you haven't the ability or power to ridicule others so I would suggest dropping it... if you're going to act like an educated pompous get, at least learn how to spell like an educated person would.
I have to agree with darketernal above...no-one is here to answer others questions or explanations... but you just don't have any!
Just while we're correcting spelling, the correct spelling of Git is Git not Get as your regional accent my imply.

[perry_mason]

clutching at straws for ridicule...don't embarrass yourself any more.... you haven't the ability or power to ridicule others so I would suggest dropping it... if you're going to act like an educated pompous get, at least learn how to spell like an educated person would.
I have to agree with darketernal above...no-one is here to answer others questions or explanations... but you just don't have any!

Take that IceandHam! Please consult a dicke-tionary before further posting! ;):D

[danielson23uk]

I've got two explanations on what this means from Masons.. both agree with the floor and that it is in effect an aerial [<spell?] view of a pyramid... have you have any thoughts on it?.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6889/cropcircle3d1hy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Optical illusion? Ok, but it's just a carpet. Don't tell our local centre it's an aerial because they'll increase their temple hire charges!!!

[perry_mason]

I've got two explanations on what this means from Masons.. both agree with the floor and that it is in effect an aerial [<spell?] view of a pyramid... have you have any thoughts on it?.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6889/cropcircle3d1hy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

It could be seen as a pyramid, but my first impression was of a corridor with a chequered floor and doors running along each side.

[chrism]

Dictionary!!.WTF... no wonder I keep getting it wrong, I was looking in a Directory!....these long words just do my Head in!

:D:D

The picture looks like it could be interpreted a number of ways, at first I saw a pyramid (possibly because I read your words before seeing the picture) but then it also has the chequered carpet. It does look like a corridor as it has a vanishing point rather than an end wall - or at least the wall is quite some distance away.

With the numerous regular pillars it is hard to say, but reminds me of a hotel rather than a lodge. (Pun intended. Yes - I really am that sad.)

Is it a real 'crop circle' or one of the photoshopped versions? Looks real to me - and a lot of effort went in I would guess!

C

[perry_mason]

The interesting thing is that the doors are all open and that there is no end. Limitless possibilities and potential. Cosmic eh? The doors of perception and all that.

[darketernal]

So you can't prove it then. Ok just say that then. Very brave to say directly that Freemasonry condones pedophilia because you've seen it First Hand and then retreat saying it's just your opinion. You are of course entitled to it and attempting to alter it will cause you to believe it further. But your accusations have left everyone here with an opinion of you. Because you claimed to have proof of something that you've now retracted from.

By the way, this isn't an invasion. It's breaking down the barriers of discrimination. If you have a problem with that please say so that we can further appraise our opinion of your morals.


Ok I am done being nice. You and your child molesting sicko-fuck friends are not entitled to an explination. I've been a victom of your rituals, and it is not my opinion. I'm saying you have a right to expression your side of things even if some of you defending your religion know you are defending a lie. That is your right. I do not hate the people who did this, because I do believe that love is the answer, but I'm not going to stand by and and watch you say this stuff doesn't happen just because I'm not able to prove it in a court of law. This forum is not a court of law, to my knowledge.

[danielson23uk]

The reason a mason told me it was a top view of a pyramid is because the top would be flat and you are the all seeing eye looking from above [Horus?]... more conspiracy stuff probably to try keep me guessing.. he never liked me since the day I asked him who Jahbulon was.
I have to say that there's a lot of that shit going on. Many masons will have all sorts of fun with you if you challenge them about their hobby. It's also exacerbated by the fact that many masons aren't as interested in the more intellectual side of the fraternity. They go there to chat and socialise. Most masons won't know who Jahbulon is because he has nothing to do with masonry.

[danielson23uk]

I've been a victom of your rituals, and it is not my opinion.
Oh so it was you!!! Of course!!! That would be the only OTHER way your FIRST HAND experience can be kept solvent.
Now I am intrigued. Intrigued as to how the fuck you're going to lie your way out of this one. You really do have the tiniest mind and the least amount of spine to think that carrying on with your bollox would be more honourable than just admitting you made it up.

So let's hear the horrid details of your torment. What ritual was it in? What was done? What were people wearing? Where did it happen? How did they manage to abduct you?

Let me guess how the Agenda on the summons went.....

AGENDA

Open the Lodge.
Receive the minutes of the last Lodge meeting.
Bugger a child!!!!!
Close the Lodge.

Well?????????????
And you've got the fucking front to call me a sick bastard! You've made yourself look fucking stupid and there are articulate conspiracy theorists in here shaking their heads at your mono-syllabic shit. Now wind your thick neck in and go and play with your CB you twat!

[danielson23uk]

I do agree there is a lot a crap told.... now you can understand why some, like me, are so suspicious about agendas. If his Jah has nothing to do with masons, why did he get so angry?...suppose I should be asking him and not you.[/COLOR]
Probably because he felt threatened about a name he'd never heard but was expected to be familiar with. A bit like asking me what alien race built the pyramids. How TF do I know? I'm a mason not Han Solo.:D

[darketernal]

Let me guess though... everyone who is a member of the lodge is a pillar in the community. I've heard the words inside a police investogator's office, "Well, I'm having trouble believing all of this. I know this man personally. He is well known in the community, and I've known him many years."

Freemasonry...good for the community, good for children... philanthropist and charity workers...

Take a closer look at what these illusions hide. Dig deeper, and find out for yourself what this projected image is used to cover up. You ask for my proof, as though there is any proof I could give that would convict these obviously good and generous men of something so insideous. That is their greatest defense. You are however free to believe what you will though.

[danielson23uk]

Let me guess though... everyone who is a member of the lodge is a pillar in the community. I've heard the words inside a police investogator's office, "Well, I'm having trouble believing all of this. I know this man personally. He is well known in the community, and I've known him many years."

Freemasonry...good for the community, good for children... philanthropist and charity workers...

Take a closer look at what these illusions hide. Dig deeper, and find out for yourself what this projected image is used to cover up. You ask for my proof, as though there is any proof I could give that would convict these obviously good and generous men of something so insideous. That is their greatest defense. You are however free to believe what you will though.
So you're conceding that in fact you are a liar? You know, just while we're 'done being nice'! Because you now look like a prick on here, it's my responsibility to testify that every mason is a pillar of the community??? Stay away from me Dark Eternal. You're a worm and I will not be civil with you if you persist in being a venomous cretin.

[perry_mason]

Take a closer look at what these illusions hide. Dig deeper, and find out for yourself what this projected image is used to cover up. You ask for my proof, as though there is any proof I could give that would convict these obviously good and generous men of something so insideous. That is their greatest defense. You are however free to believe what you will though.

Are you trying to say that the absence of proof somehow proves your theories?

I think almost all Freemason's greatest defence will be the fact that they are innocent of the bullshit emanating from your keyboard.

[geeve420]

Let me guess though... everyone who is a member of the lodge is a pillar in the community. I've heard the words inside a police investogator's office, "Well, I'm having trouble believing all of this. I know this man personally. He is well known in the community, and I've known him many years."

Freemasonry...good for the community, good for children... philanthropist and charity workers...

Take a closer look at what these illusions hide. Dig deeper, and find out for yourself what this projected image is used to cover up. You ask for my proof, as though there is any proof I could give that would convict these obviously good and generous men of something so insideous. That is their greatest defense. You are however free to believe what you will though.


Not all people are pillars of anything. If you are immoral and break the law I hope you rot it prison.

"Well, I'm having trouble believing all of this. I know this man personally. He is well known in the community, and I've known him many years."

I heard a similar thing about almost every serial killer, what does that statement prove.

As far as your final satetment about the "illusion" goes, it's good to know you can't prove what your saying, cause the more I dig into it the more I see you are full of shit.

Thanks

Geeve

[darketernal]

Oh so it was you!!! Of course!!! That would be the only OTHER way your FIRST HAND experience can be kept solvent.
Now I am intrigued. Intrigued as to how the fuck you're going to lie your way out of this one. You really do have the tiniest mind and the least amount of spine to think that carrying on with your bollox would be more honourable than just admitting you made it up.

So let's hear the horrid details of your torment. What ritual was it in? What was done? What were people wearing? Where did it happen? How did they manage to abduct you?

Let me guess how the Agenda on the summons went.....

AGENDA

Open the Lodge.
Receive the minutes of the last Lodge meeting.
Bugger a child!!!!!
Close the Lodge.

Well?????????????
And you've got the fucking front to call me a sick bastard! You've made yourself look fucking stupid and there are articulate conspiracy theorists in here shaking their heads at your mono-syllabic shit. Now wind your thick neck in and go and play with your CB you twat!

How my words or actions make me appear to you, or what you think of me is not my concern. I'm not concerned with the thoughts of conspiracy theorists either, as I do not count myself among them. If you are concerned about my causing problems directly for your brotherhood, you can however rest at ease. I’ve been diagnosed with a debilitating and incurable vestibular disorder in both ears, which continues to get progressively worse. So you have nothing to fear from a crazy, unemployed, cripple.


As for details… let me guess you want details so you and your sick Masonic friends can masturbate while they read it? You’ll get no such pleasure from me.

I’ve seen the structure and the technologies that support the people at the top of this system, and know that short of a changing of consciousness among the masses, this structure will not be brought down. At least people like David Icke give me hope for humanity.

You can type that I’m a cunt and a liar online until your fingers bleed, but I’ll continue to speak my mind. Laugh at me, call me names and abuse me all you want. I’ve suffered far greater than a few words on a screen in my life.

[intruder]

I've got two explanations on what this means from Masons.. both agree with the floor and that it is in effect an aerial [<spell?] view of a pyramid... have you have any thoughts on it?.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6889/cropcircle3d1hy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I see it as a tiled chamber. Perhaps the "Chamber of 32 Doors" from Genesis' the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

At the top of the stairs, there's hundreds of people,
Running around to all the doors.
They try to find themselves an audience;
Their deductions need applause.

The rich man stands in front of me,
The poor man behind my back.
They believe they can control the game,
But the juggler holds another pack.

I need someone to believe in, someone to trust.
I need someone to believe in, someone to trust.

I'd rather trust a countryman than a townman,
You can judge by his eyes, take a look if you can,
He'll smile through his guard,
Survival trains hard.
I'd rather trust a man who works with his hands,
He looks at you once, you know he understands,
Dont need any shield,
When youre out in the field.

But down here,
Im so alone with my fear,
With everything that I hear.
And every single door, that Ive walked through
Brings me back here again,
Ive got to find my own way.

The priest and the magician,
Singing all the chants that they have ever heard;
Theyre all calling out my name,
Even academics, searching printed word.

My father to the left of me,
My mother to the right,
Like everyone else they're pointing
But nowhere feels quite right.

And I need someone to believe in, someone to trust.
I need someone to believe in, someone to trust.

Id rather trust a man who doesnt shout what he's found,
Theres no need to sell if youre homeward bound.
If I chose a side,
He wont take me for a ride.

Back inside
This chamber of so many doors;
I've nowhere to hide.
I'd give you all of my dreams, if you'd help me,
Find a door
That doesnt lead me back again take me away.

[perry_mason]

As for details… let me guess you want details so you and your sick Masonic friends can masturbate while they read it? You’ll get no such pleasure from me.
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Hmmm, interesting.

I'd be more worried about what's between your ears mate.

[danielson23uk]

How my words or actions make me appear to you, or what you think of me is not my concern. I'm not concerned with the thoughts of conspiracy theorists either, as I do not count myself among them. If you are concerned about my causing problems directly for your brotherhood, you can however rest at ease. I’ve been diagnosed with a debilitating and incurable vestibular disorder in both ears, which continues to get progressively worse. So you have nothing to fear from a crazy, unemployed, cripple.


As for details… let me guess you want details so you and your sick Masonic friends can masturbate while they read it? You’ll get no such pleasure from me.

I’ve seen the structure and the technologies that support the people at the top of this system, and know that short of a changing of consciousness among the masses, this structure will not be brought down. At least people like David Icke give me hope for humanity.

You can type that I’m a cunt and a liar online until your fingers bleed, but I’ll continue to speak my mind. Laugh at me, call me names and abuse me all you want. I’ve suffered far greater than a few words on a screen in my life.
In the interests of my sides splitting I won't be answering any of the above. I can be completely without any mercy when someone insinuates that I harbour pedophiles so I'll just metaphorically rub your forehead Dark Eternal and softly exclaim "Poor little bunny!"

[geeve420]

As for details… let me guess you want details so you and your sick Masonic friends can masturbate while they read it? You’ll get no such pleasure from me.





Maye because there are no details, it's a big giant lie so you can get a "Oh you poor person" Don't take that as a quote from me, you will get no pity from me, and pedophilia isn't something I get off on.

Thanks

Geeve

[danielson23uk]

And to think on a similar Thread, people are scoffing at the concept of ever getting the truth out of Freemasons.

[geeve420]

And to think on a similar Thread, people are scoffing at the concept of ever getting the truth out of Freemasons.

I guess to some the truth doesn't ivolve either being honest or the facts. it seems that there are people that beleive lying and making stuff up that it is true.

Thanks

Geeve

[darketernal]

And to think on a similar Thread, people are scoffing at the concept of ever getting the truth out of Freemasons.

Here is the thing. I've had the experiences in life that I've had, long before hearing the name David Icke, and after reading a few things he has written a number of his lectures online, I've come to his forum, only to find the entire secret society forum infest with Masons such as yourself here to rebuke everything he and anyone says about them.

Rather than be able to read the experiences of others to let me know that I'm not alone, almost every thread is started by members of the lodge, basically turning the forum into a pro-masonry disinformation forum. I'm sure many of you are here to defend your beliefs and organization because you really feel it is being wronged by these accusations, however it is probably that many are here for the purpose of disinformation.

If I wanted to hear masons defending their organization I would go to your forums, so imagine why it is that I would be angry and type venomous things in reply to your statements here, and be reluctant to even talk about any of it. However, that is probably the intended effect of the masonic takeover of this forum.

[darketernal]

I guess to some the truth doesn't ivolve either being honest or the facts. it seems that there are people that beleive lying and making stuff up that it is true.

Thanks

Geeve

Isn't that the same thing the freemasons are doing here? We play a game of one person saying, "this is what they do in secret" and either the accused or those who associate with the accused saying, "No we don't!".

It is much like the wolf going among the sheep and saying, "Those other sheep who say we are carnivorous sheep-eaters are making it up. You have my word on it that wolves are vegetarians."

How else do you honestly expect people coming here to interpret what is being said here by freemasons?

[danielson23uk]

Rather than be able to read the experiences of others to let me know that I'm not alone, almost every thread is started by members of the lodge, basically turning the forum into a pro-masonry disinformation forum. I'm sure many of you are here to defend your beliefs and organization because you really feel it is being wronged by these accusations, however it is probably that many are here for the purpose of disinformation.
So shall we just forget that you're a liar then and that by lying your intention was to disseminate bogus information (disinformation) to a group of people who seek the truth?
Is my honest presence here really getting in the way of you being able to lie till your heart's content? I have never 'Trolled' or 'Flamed' anyone on here and I have promised to tell the truth. Can you make that claim? How can the truth be disinformation? Or do you not seek truth but only the solace from loneliness by mixing with equally short sighted individuals because I'm here to tell you that these people on here DO want more than that. They want the truth. Not pitying yarns of woe and child abuse. FFS how sick are you?

If I wanted to hear masons defending their organization I would go to your forums, so imagine why it is that I would be angry and type venomous things in reply to your statements here, and be reluctant to even talk about any of it. However, that is probably the intended effect of the masonic takeover of this forum.
We get anti-masons on our forums. We treat them in the same fashion as we have done here (until you became abusive). They either believe us or they don't. But at least THEY look for TRUTH rather than stagnate in their own web of shit.
But all of that is besides the point. The point is that you told us you'd been the victim of 'Masonic ritual abuse'. And so far you've completely failed to substantiate your claim.
Am I like a dog with a bone here? Shame. Next time you make allegations you can't substantiate, who's going to listen?

[geeve420]

Here is the thing. I've had the experiences in life that I've had, long before hearing the name David Icke, and after reading a few things he has written a number of his lectures online, I've come to his forum, only to find the entire secret society forum infest with Masons such as yourself here to rebuke everything he and anyone says about them.

Rather than be able to read the experiences of others to let me know that I'm not alone, almost every thread is started by members of the lodge, basically turning the forum into a pro-masonry disinformation forum. I'm sure many of you are here to defend your beliefs and organization because you really feel it is being wronged by these accusations, however it is probably that many are here for the purpose of disinformation.

If I wanted to hear masons defending their organization I would go to your forums, so imagine why it is that I would be angry and type venomous things in reply to your statements here, and be reluctant to even talk about any of it. However, that is probably the intended effect of the masonic takeover of this forum.

First I'd like to say sorry for blowing up, I am a person and I get angry! Second I defend it because we know alot of what is said is crap. it's like me starting a thread about a conspirecy by Mr Icke is placeing a sock gnome in all of the dryers to steal socks. that is why every time laundry is done you are missing one or two socks. It sounds as silly to you as some of the things being said sound to me. You are more than welcome to come and see a Masonic forum, what you will find are people not defending it, but discussing it using reason, logic and fact.

Thanks

Geeve

[geeve420]

Isn't that the same thing the freemasons are doing here? We play a game of one person saying, "this is what they do in secret" and either the accused or those who associate with the accused saying, "No we don't!".

It is much like the wolf going among the sheep and saying, "Those other sheep who say we are carnivorous sheep-eaters are making it up. You have my word on it that wolves are vegetarians."

How else do you honestly expect people coming here to interpret what is being said here by freemasons?

I understand what you are saying. It is a valid point, but look at it from both perspectives. To you we Masons are the wolf, but to us you are the wolf. What we are trying to do is understand each other based on reason, logic, fact, and understanding. Sometimes that is very hard for people to do. Myself included. I am only human:)

Thanks

Geeve

[intruder]

I have to admit, it's a bit of a relief that the missing sock phenomenon is by no means isolated.

[geeve420]

I have to admit, it's a bit of a relief that the missing sock phenomenon is by no means isolated.


LOL!!!! That's true!! And I have found it is world wide as well. Man if I could find the land of the sock gnome:D

Thanks

Geeve

[intruder]

LOL!!!! That's true!! And I have found it is world wide as well. Man if I could find the land of the sock gnome:D

Thanks

Geeve

would have made a GREAT comic ending to National Treasure....this HUGE underground vault of socks.:D

[geeve420]

would have made a GREAT comic ending to National Treasure....this HUGE underground vault of socks.:D

LMAO!! I was picturing more an ending to Apocolypse Now, He enters the ruins to find the crazed soldier surrounded by clean socks from around the world, just laughing and speaking nonsence about dryer sheets:D

Thanks

Geeve

[danielson23uk]

LOL!!!! That's true!! And I have found it is world wide as well. Man if I could find the land of the sock gnome:D

I heard that masons creep into your house at night, steal one sock and then take it home to wank into while Darketernal tells of his horrific woes!!! I'm sure someone can prove that too.

[geeve420]

I heard that masons creep into your house at night, steal one sock and then take it home to wank into while Darketernal tells of his horrific woes!!! I'm sure someone can prove that too.

Is that what that mystery sock that showed up is for! Hell I used it for the Sports Illistrated swimsuit issue! LOL :D I'm afraid to wash it, cause it might diaspear again, only this time Mr Icke will have my DNA ;)

Thanks

Geeve

[danielson23uk]

I'm afraid to wash it, cause it might diaspear again, only this time Mr Icke will have my DNA ;)

Bravo!!! Post of the night!!!:D LMAO

[danielson23uk]

I found out PROOF! MASONS are stealing your socks...sorry about the DNA change guys..
http://intricateart.com/archives/200460wildlifealiensockbandit.jpg

Bollox! That's never reptilian!;)

[geeve420]

I found out PROOF! MASONS are stealing your socks...sorry about the DNA change guys..
http://intricateart.com/archives/200460wildlifealiensockbandit.jpg


Well done!! :D LMAO

And hear is the published truth......

http://www.wherearemytoys.com/pandj/legacy/html/images/book_tcotms.jpg

Thanks

Geeve

[perry_mason]

It doesn't end with socks people, the truth is Masons are stealing your biros, the last bit of milk in the fridge and hiding the remote. My 'insider knowledge' can testify to these facts.

Protect your pens, consumables and footwear before it's too late people, wake up!

[perry_mason]

Here is the thing. I've had the experiences in life that I've had, long before hearing the name David Icke, and after reading a few things he has written a number of his lectures online, I've come to his forum, only to find the entire secret society forum infest with Masons such as yourself here to rebuke everything he and anyone says about them.

Rather than be able to read the experiences of others to let me know that I'm not alone, almost every thread is started by members of the lodge, basically turning the forum into a pro-masonry disinformation forum. I'm sure many of you are here to defend your beliefs and organization because you really feel it is being wronged by these accusations, however it is probably that many are here for the purpose of disinformation.


Sorry to hear life's not turned out the way you wanted it to DE but it happens to everyone, tough shit I'm afraid. There are dozens of other threads on here that aren't about Masonry, have a browse through them if you want people to tell you want you want to hear.

[danielson23uk]

It doesn't end with socks people, the truth is Masons are stealing your biros, the last bit of milk in the fridge and hiding the remote. My 'insider knowledge' can testify to these facts.

Protect your pens, consumables and footwear before it's too late people, wake up!
I am the Grand Master Mason responsible for putting all your knives in the fork compartment! Feel my wrath!!!

[geeve420]

Sorry to hear life's not turned out the way you wanted it to DE but it happens to everyone, tough shit I'm afraid. There are dozens of other threads on here that aren't about Masonry, have a browse through them if you want people to tell you want you want to hear.

Good point Perry, hell growing up was messed up for me too, but I don't want to find people who lived the same crap I did. The best I can do is deal with it, move on and hope to God that no one ever has to experience some of the same shit I did.

Thanks

Geeve

[geeve420]

I am the Grand Master Mason responsible for putting all your knives in the fork compartment! Feel my wrath!!!

LMAO!!!:D

[perry_mason]

I'm the one who bends the spines on your favourite paperbacks.

Tremble before me!:mad:

[darketernal]

Sorry to hear life's not turned out the way you wanted it to DE but it happens to everyone, tough shit I'm afraid. There are dozens of other threads on here that aren't about Masonry, have a browse through them if you want people to tell you want you want to hear.


Don't worry. I've not allowed my setbacks in life to stop me from find happiness, or to make me bitter. I've been reading other things here. The mason thing has caught my attention immediately upon my frist day reading the forum only because of the sheer number of you posting on this forum. It appears to me to have more mason posters on it than non-mason.

[perry_mason]

Don't worry. I've not allowed my setbacks in life to stop me from find happiness, or to make me bitter. I've been reading other things here. The mason thing has caught my attention immediately upon my frist day reading the forum only because of the sheer number of you posting on this forum. It appears to me to have more mason posters on it than non-mason.

Good, there certainly is something for everyone on this site.

[danielson23uk]

Don't worry. I've not allowed my setbacks in life to stop me from find happiness, or to make me bitter. I've been reading other things here. The mason thing has caught my attention immediately upon my frist day reading the forum only because of the sheer number of you posting on this forum. It appears to me to have more mason posters on it than non-mason.

It's ok to feel the way you do DE. You know why? Because life traditionally was shit and then you die. But now, life is shit and you're made to endure for a considerable time in a state of upset, THEN you die. Or so it would seem.
Maybe someone stole your dinner money at school. Maybe you're bitter about whatever health problems you do have. Maybe you feel you have no prospects. Whatever...... DON'T LISTEN to the rubbish DE. As Chrism says, by their very nature, conspiracy theories are only that until they're proven or disproven. The sad bit comes when people are unable to tell when a story is no longer up for conjecture. Don't spend your life worrying about 9 foot lizards working for Jews to perpetuate chaos to suit their own needs. Really and truthfully what do you get out of worrying about things you can't change regardless of whether they're true or not. You get one go at this life. Are going to spend the rest of yours criticising what might have gone wrong elsewhere? Peace be with you.

[the duke]

Hi Danielson, I believe we are aquainted!?!

[danielson23uk]

Hi Danielson, I believe we are aquainted!?!

Hello Duke. Maybe you could elaborate in a PM.

S&F

[jimmi]

Order of service

Knock Knockity Knock

(Door Keepers) "Who is there?"

(G.M.) "Grandmasterfunky Mason"

(D.K.) "Grandmasterfunky Mason who?"

(G.M.) "Stop fuckin' around and open the bloody doors!"

(D.K.) "These doors are close ed, ye may gain entry through the back passage"

(G.M.) "I am Grandmasterfunky Mason and I don't do back passages, I leave all that to other buggers."

Doors are opened by Sister Free Masons regaled in diamonte soled jackboots, merino muffcovers,
leather basques and them long lacey gloves that go past the elbow.

(D.K.) "What do you seek?"

(G.M.) "I seeketh the Spirit that ith name ed Free, and may be found in the hallowed hall of this temple."

(D.K.) " Ye may enter! and hurry up it's a bit parky what with the risin' fuel prices and all that."

(G.M.) addresses assembled throng of Free Masons. "I am Grandmasterfunky Mason and I seeketh the
Spirit that be Free,show me the way to thine altar for I wish to hold my communion."

assembled throng parts to make a path to the altar.

(G.M.) "Is this the way to Ammarretto?"

(All) "Aye!"

G.M. proceeds to altar

(Altarman) "Yes Sir, what would you like?"

(G.M.) "JJack DanieLLs, please."

(altarman) "Certainly Sir, With pleasure. That'll be £2:22 please."

(G.M.) "Make it a triple,my good man."

(altarman) Offers Spirit to G.M. "This one's on the house."

(G.M.) turns to face throng "Bottoms Up."

(Free Masons) "Up Yours Too"

End of Rite.

[nihil]

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[beldazar]

Order of service

Knock Knockity Knock

(Door Keepers) "Who is there?"

(G.M.) "Grandmasterfunky Mason"

(D.K.) "Grandmasterfunky Mason who?"

(G.M.) "Stop fuckin' around and open the bloody doors!"

(D.K.) "These doors are close ed, ye may gain entry through the back passage"

(G.M.) "I am Grandmasterfunky Mason and I don't do back passages, I leave all that to other buggers."

Doors are opened by Sister Free Masons regaled in diamonte soled jackboots, merino muffcovers,
leather basques and them long lacey gloves that go past the elbow.

(D.K.) "What do you seek?"

(G.M.) "I seeketh the Spirit that ith name ed Free, and may be found in the hallowed hall of this temple."

(D.K.) " Ye may enter! and hurry up it's a bit parky what with the risin' fuel prices and all that."

(G.M.) addresses assembled throng of Free Masons. "I am Grandmasterfunky Mason and I seeketh the
Spirit that be Free,show me the way to thine altar for I wish to hold my communion."

assembled throng parts to make a path to the altar.

(G.M.) "Is this the way to Ammarretto?"

(All) "Aye!"

G.M. proceeds to altar

(Altarman) "Yes Sir, what would you like?"

(G.M.) "JJack DanieLLs, please."

(altarman) "Certainly Sir, With pleasure. That'll be £2:22 please."

(G.M.) "Make it a triple,my good man."

(altarman) Offers Spirit to G.M. "This one's on the house."

(G.M.) turns to face throng "Bottoms Up."

(Free Masons) "Up Yours Too"

End of Rite.

Thats so funny! :D

[boots]

It's ok to feel the way you do DE. You know why? Because life traditionally was shit and then you die. But now, life is shit and you're made to endure for a considerable time in a state of upset, THEN you die. Or so it would seem.
Maybe someone stole your dinner money at school. Maybe you're bitter about whatever health problems you do have. Maybe you feel you have no prospects. Whatever...... DON'T LISTEN to the rubbish DE. As Chrism says, by their very nature, conspiracy theories are only that until they're proven or disproven. The sad bit comes when people are unable to tell when a story is no longer up for conjecture. Don't spend your life worrying about 9 foot lizards working for Jews to perpetuate chaos to suit their own needs. Really and truthfully what do you get out of worrying about things you can't change regardless of whether they're true or not. You get one go at this life. Are going to spend the rest of yours criticising what might have gone wrong elsewhere? Peace be with you.

You have NO idea what your saying.

[nihil]

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