Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/i/t.gif Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq, says No 10 adviser


By Toby Helm
Last Updated: 12:30am BST 12/09/2005


Tony Blair decided to wage war on Iraq after coming under the influence of a "sinister" group of Jews and Freemasons, a Muslim barrister who advises the Prime Minister has claimed.
Ahmad Thomson, from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said Mr Blair was the latest in a long line of politicians to have been influenced by the group which saw the attack on Saddam Hussein as a way to control the Middle East.
A Government spokesman confirmed last night that ministers and officials consulted Mr Thomson on issues concerning Muslims but refused to be drawn on his views. "We talk to a lot of people, including many whose views we do not necessarily agree with," she said.




Mr Thomson said: "Pressure was put on Tony Blair before the invasion. The way it works is that pressure is put on people to arrive at certain decisions. It is part of the Zionist plan and it is shaping events."
Mr Thomson wrote a book in 1994 in which he said Freemasons and Jews controlled the governments of Europe and America and described the claim that six million Jews died in the Holocaust as a "big lie". In The Next World Order, Mr Thomson, a Muslim convert who was born Martin Thomson in Rhodesia, wrote: "When the majority of people in a predominantly Christian society cease to worship God, the result is fascism.
"When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship God, the result is either communism or capitalism. A predominantly Christian society is concerned primarily with establishing a political ideology, whilst a predominantly Jewish society is concerned primarily with establishing an economic system."
This, he suggested, led to the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mr Thomson, who was called to the bar in 1979, wrote: "The fascism of Hitler was the Christian element in the increasingly "Jewish" environment in which he and his followers found themselves."
He also wrote that the Jews have no right to live in "the Holy Land" because they are not a pure race and therefore not the true biblical Israelites and that Saddam was used as an excuse for US troops - "including thousands of Jews" - to occupy Saudi Arabia.
A Government source said: "It is by talking to people with varying views that we find out what the range of opinions is. It doesn't mean we agree with what they are saying."



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[kweli]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/core/i/t.gif Jews and Freemasons controlled war on Iraq, says No 10 adviser


By Toby Helm
Last Updated: 12:30am BST 12/09/2005


Tony Blair decided to wage war on Iraq after coming under the influence of a "sinister" group of Jews and Freemasons, a Muslim barrister who advises the Prime Minister has claimed.
Ahmad Thomson, from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said Mr Blair was the latest in a long line of politicians to have been influenced by the group which saw the attack on Saddam Hussein as a way to control the Middle East.
A Government spokesman confirmed last night that ministers and officials consulted Mr Thomson on issues concerning Muslims but refused to be drawn on his views. "We talk to a lot of people, including many whose views we do not necessarily agree with," she said.




Mr Thomson said: "Pressure was put on Tony Blair before the invasion. The way it works is that pressure is put on people to arrive at certain decisions. It is part of the Zionist plan and it is shaping events."
Mr Thomson wrote a book in 1994 in which he said Freemasons and Jews controlled the governments of Europe and America and described the claim that six million Jews died in the Holocaust as a "big lie". In The Next World Order, Mr Thomson, a Muslim convert who was born Martin Thomson in Rhodesia, wrote: "When the majority of people in a predominantly Christian society cease to worship God, the result is fascism.
"When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship God, the result is either communism or capitalism. A predominantly Christian society is concerned primarily with establishing a political ideology, whilst a predominantly Jewish society is concerned primarily with establishing an economic system."
This, he suggested, led to the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mr Thomson, who was called to the bar in 1979, wrote: "The fascism of Hitler was the Christian element in the increasingly "Jewish" environment in which he and his followers found themselves."
He also wrote that the Jews have no right to live in "the Holy Land" because they are not a pure race and therefore not the true biblical Israelites and that Saddam was used as an excuse for US troops - "including thousands of Jews" - to occupy Saudi Arabia.
A Government source said: "It is by talking to people with varying views that we find out what the range of opinions is. It doesn't mean we agree with what they are saying."



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That's an interesting find ES, cheers.

[chrism]

"When the majority of people in a predominantly Christian society cease to worship God, the result is fascism.
"When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship God, "

And when freemasons cease to worship God (or the Supreme Being, Great Architect etc - any god is accepted) then they are no longer freemasons. Does that help??

This man also denies the holocaust - something which I would have thought is a matter of record:

"Following his support of Dar Al-Taqwa’s successful complaint to the Press Complaints Commission[15] concerning a deliberately inflammatory attack by the Evening Standard in July 2005,[16][17] a group of British journalists (including Toby Helm, David Cesarani and Daniel Kahtan) who Mr Thomson claims never to have met, retaliated by alleging that Thomson's 1994 book, The Next World Order (which had, by then, been out of print for several years), contained allegations that Freemasons and Jews control the governments of Europe and America, and that it was a "big lie" that six million Jews died in the Holocaust.[2][18]"
Wikipedia article.

The Zionist angle I can understand, after all there is tremendous pressure from the jewish community to put pressure on the arab states in the middle east.

Once again, the name 'freemasonry' is used to imply there is something secret going on. Come on - our politicians in the UK and US lie to us all the time, it is only the humerous quality of those lies that keep us going. Of course it is about oil... And the Middle East would not be the same without the Israel/Palestine conflict and random acts of terror, but is there any evidence at all that freemasons were involved (apart from in their 'civilian' jobs of course) in a huge conspiracy, other than one man giving his opinion?

Please show it.

[chrism]

Yes - before I get it in the neck - the Wikipedia article shows someones OPINION of an out of print book.

I see the irony there.

Chris

[kweli]

Yes - before I get it in the neck - the Wikipedia article shows someones OPINION of an out of print book.

I see the irony there.

Chris


Wikipedia's not a source to be trusted anyway, most folk on here know that.

[chrism]

Wikipedia's not a source to be trusted anyway, most folk on here know that.
Of course not - my point was that I had found someone's opinion of his opinion. I should have been clearer. And a lot of the anti-masonic posts don't contain any references at all - I think WP is better than that at least!

A lot of people tend to be looking for agreement ("I think this is bad, you should too" sort of thing) but if we all agree what is the point of a Forum?!?

Eternal Spirit - I should have said sooner that your original post was a good one - thank you for posting. It is this sort of post that generates debate and enquiry. And sourced too - great stuff!

Chris

[zarah]

I must admit, I don't know as much about Freemasons as most people on this site, but I would think that a secret (and it IS secret) society, which has many members in important roles could influence governmental agenda in its favour.

Also, with regard to the idea that six million Jews being killed in WW2 being a matter of record, so were many other events in history which didnt happen quite the way we were led to believe.

[chrism]

Sorry - I was trying to illustrate a point and missed it entirely!

You are right, and large enough group of people will influence governments. These groups are called electorates. When groups fail to influence their governments, the result is closer to dictatorship than democracy, although we may be getting close!

And forgive my exasperation, but repeatedly calling Freemasonry a 'Secret Society' will not make it so. YES we have secrets, and YES some members choose not to reveal their membership for a variety of reasons (fear of intimidation being one, I am sure) but most masons are proud of their membership. We have secrets, but so does every other group.

Chris

[eternal_spirit]

INTRODUCTION
Holocaust denial is a sentiment that is expressed openly in the Palestinian Authority, even among senior historians.


Holocaust denial:
is a sentiment that is expressed openly in the Palestinian Authority, even among senior historians.
Senior Palestinian historians, Issam Sisalem, and Jirar Al Kidwah, Head of the Public Library and Arafat’s advisor, teach that the story of the Holocaust was a Jewish lie in order to gain world sympathy, which lead to the creation of the State of Israel. [PATV Nov 29, 2000


Religious Propaganda
A religious leader argues that the Jewish leaders were responsible for the murder of the Jews in the Holocaust.
Dr. Muhammam Ibrahim Maadi. [Sept. 21, 2001]

(Two short videos less than two minutes with subtitle a must watch)


http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_HolocaustENG.asx

http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_MadiHolocaust.asx






http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8763

http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/ some of the myths debunked

[intruder]

I must admit, I don't know as much about Freemasons as most people on this site, but I would think that a secret (and it IS secret) society, which has many members in important roles could influence governmental agenda in its favour.

Also, with regard to the idea that six million Jews being killed in WW2 being a matter of record, so were many other events in history which didnt happen quite the way we were led to believe.

can you provide me with those records please?

and please DO explain how they were allegedly "incinerating 12,000 per day in Auschwitz" with a minimum requirement of 80 pounds of coal per person. equaling 480 tons of coal per day.

[steiner]

Hey guys,

all i can to this is that officialy 6 million jews died in the holocaust, it was said that german people must pay 6 billion pounds as a reparation during 6 german generations.

Its up to you to decide what to think about this.

[eternal_spirit]

can you provide me with those records please?

and please DO explain how they were allegedly "incinerating 12,000 per day in Auschwitz" with a minimum requirement of 80 pounds of coal per person. equaling 480 tons of coal per day.


If you re read Zarah's post she's disputing the 6 million figure!

[intruder]

If you re read Zarah's post she's disputing the 6 million figure!
I know...but I'm still seeking those records. As is Zundel's former attorney.

[element]

Who cares really about freemasonry and all this secret society bull.... anyway. It's just the newest fashion for an excuse to blame the problems in the world on. Devil figures, reptilians, masons and so on.. what's next? Humankind together makes the problems, not one group.

According to many here this secret society can't be stopped anyway. Tv, internet, nothing can be trusted, yet they have internet sites and texts they say cán be trusted. Funny really...you only want to believe in evil taking things over. Think about it, there's no such need for evil, it has no uses. It's all an illusion.

Search for real truth within yourself. If you like evil things I can reccommend plenty of video games..

[eternal_spirit]

bump

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=430385&postcount=44



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

[joyful]

The article has been removed from the telegraph website. :rolleyes:

[ban freekmasons]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=430385&postcount=44



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10703

Excellent post and excellent articles recommended, eternally yours. ACP

[nofuture]

Good job you copied it!

[mike martin]

The article has been removed from the telegraph website. :rolleyes:

Quite a dramatic revelation!

Unfortunately not actually accurate.

I think you'll find it's just been archived as it is nearly 3 years out of date now.

It can be found here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1498217/Jews-and-Freemasons-controlled-war-on-Iraq%2C-says-No-10-adviser.html

Mike

[keenly]

the jews DON;T CONTROL ANYTHING. The zionists are totally controlled by the vatican.

[eternal_spirit]

the jews DON;T CONTROL ANYTHING. The zionists are totally controlled by the vatican.


Jews own and run the gold and diamond mines of Africa and much of the media and Hollywood and that's the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention they have the USA government like puppets on strings.

[thirdwave]

*watching things fly over heads....*


Swwwoooopp!

[lizzy]

Jews own and run the gold and diamond mines of Africa and much of the media and Hollywood and that's the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention they have the USA government like puppets on strings.

I agree.......the forum is'nt immune either.

[keenly]

Jews own and run the gold and diamond mines of Africa and much of the media and Hollywood and that's the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention they have the USA government like puppets on strings.

nonsense
the media is controlled by the knights of malta which includes rupert murdoch. The knights of malta are subservient to the jesuit sumpreme general

all labour court zionists jews are under vatican control; e.g henry kissengar and the rothschilds. The rothschilds wewre nobodies till they bread with the cecils.

[lizzy]

nonsense
the media is controlled by the knights of malta which includes rupert murdoch. The knights of malta are subservient to the jesuit sumpreme general

all labour court zionists jews are under vatican control; e.g henry kissengar and the rothschilds. The rothschilds wewre nobodies till they bread with the cecils.

You have alot to learn then, you still only have half the picture.....

[lizzy]

Jews own and run the gold and diamond mines of Africa and much of the media and Hollywood and that's the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention they have the USA government like puppets on strings.

This is TRUE........

[damagedbrainn]

I agree.......the forum is'nt immune either.

Jews control the forum too? Wow. Did not know that.

All men who still have their foreskin, tremble with terror!

[keenly]

This is TRUE........

no it's not

[keenly]

You have alot to learn then, you still only have half the picture.....

no i know the full picture

the zionists are under vatican control; the rothschilds are not at the top of the pyramid; the jesuits are.

We hear all day long from when we were children that the Jews run everything. This is totally incorrect and it gets installed in the populations so the real shadowy ELders are smokescreened and the Jews take the blame. The Zionist jews of Israel are simply Freemasons and therefore subservant to the Superior General of the Jesuit Order. The U.S is controlled by The Jesuit Vatican and their Mafiosi. If Jews ruled the world then why does Israel need U.S permission to activate their nukes? Why will the Vatican own 60%+ of Jerusalem including Temple Mount, thanks to Jesuit trained Shimon Peres? What gives the impression that Israel rules the U.S is simply because they are both ruled by the Council on Foreign Relations. This of course is controlled by the SMOM and ultimately the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Egan. Why is it that when Sharon thought he'd annoy the Vatican that he simply gets ELiminated by `The Cup of Borgia' by Vatican spys Peres & Beilin? Then Vatican lackies Olmert, Peres win the ELection and do as the Pope wishes. Peres was straight on a plane for the Vatican after winning!

[lizzy]

no i know the full picture

the zionists are under vatican control; the rothschilds are not at the top of the pyramid; the jesuits are.

We hear all day long from when we were children that the Jews run everything. This is totally incorrect and it gets installed in the populations so the real shadowy ELders are smokescreened and the Jews take the blame. The Zionist jews of Israel are simply Freemasons and therefore subservant to the Superior General of the Jesuit Order. The U.S is controlled by The Jesuit Vatican and their Mafiosi. If Jews ruled the world then why does Israel need U.S permission to activate their nukes? Why will the Vatican own 60%+ of Jerusalem including Temple Mount, thanks to Jesuit trained Shimon Peres? What gives the impression that Israel rules the U.S is simply because they are both ruled by the Council on Foreign Relations. This of course is controlled by the SMOM and ultimately the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Egan. Why is it that when Sharon thought he'd annoy the Vatican that he simply gets ELiminated by `The Cup of Borgia' by Vatican spys Peres & Beilin? Then Vatican lackies Olmert, Peres win the ELection and do as the Pope wishes. Peres was straight on a plane for the Vatican after winning!

hi keenly.

BUT the Jesuits ARE jews. The US does not have the manpower to concede / oblige it's owner . Israel still just might go it alone, regardless of it warning not to pull another USS Liberty?

[seanx]

BUT the Jesuits ARE jews.

Classic.

You couldn't make it up - even if you tried.

I'd say that Lizzy and ES are jews.

Why not? It seems everybody else is.

[keenly]

hi keenly.

BUT the Jesuits ARE jews. The US does not have the manpower to concede / oblige it's owner . Israel still just might go it alone, regardless of it warning not to pull another USS Liberty?

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?act=SC&c=1

study this website PLEASE

[lizzy]

Classic.

You couldn't make it up - even if you tried.

I'd say that Lizzy and ES are jews.

Why not? It seems everybody else is.

Au Contaire...NOBODY EVER says outright they have a jewish background here. Why?
Could it be that currently the thread title is true?

[lizzy]

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?act=SC&c=1

study this website PLEASE

I have keenly........it is a great source.

so is this.......
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1527

[keenly]

I have keenly........it is a great source.

so is this.......
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1527

yes but david icke is a temporal coadjutor who has never even mentioned the black pope. how can a so called researcher never mention the world's most powerful man?

[element]

yes but david icke is a temporal coadjutor who has never even mentioned the black pope. how can a so called researcher never mention the world's most powerful man?

If DI does, they will assassinate him. Isn't it obvious? I mean it's the pope!

[keenly]

If DI does, they will assassinate him. Isn't it obvious? I mean it's the pope!

i have considered that but he needs to speak out against the EVIL of the catholic church; the rothschilds are not even that powerful; there are dozens of families more powerful; ALL subservient to the vatican

[comawhite015]

Au Contaire...NOBODY EVER says outright they have a jewish background here. Why?
Could it be that currently the thread title is true?

I have Polish ancestry. Gotta be a bit of Jewishness in there somewhere. What of it? :p

[keenly]

Au Contaire...NOBODY EVER says outright they have a jewish background here. Why?
Could it be that currently the thread title is true?

absolutely not

the jews are getting blamed; that is the plan

there is going to be another holocaust in the u.s.a

the jesuits were behinf the first holocaust

[seanx]

lIZZY wrote

Au Contaire...NOBODY EVER says outright they have a jewish background here. Why?
Could it be that currently the thread title is true?

Because it is only you and your gang who are obsessed with
Jews.

Totally obsessed with them.

The rest of us couldn't give a damn.

The jews like the chiristians are only pawns.

Look deeper.

Hatred clouds judgment

[keenly]

lIZZY wrote



Because it is only you and your gang who are obsessed with
Jews.

Totally obsessed with them.

The rest of us couldn't give a damn.

The jews like the chiristians are only pawns.

Look deeper.

Hatred clouds judgment

exactly

irael is controlled by the CFR which is controlled by cardinal egan for the sumprem general

[lizzy]

absolutely not

the jews are getting blamed; that is the plan

there is going to be another holocaust in the u.s.a

the jesuits were behinf the first holocaust

yes, i know.....but the jesuits were a satanic zionist lot, who don't give a fig for the jews or christians....only power.

as in.......

The Rothschild relationship to the Jews is deceiving. The family stance is publicized as "pro-Jewish", and they have given abundant charity to Jewish causes. But their support of the Jewish race has, in most cases, been used for the sole purpose of controlling the direction and profiting from the Jews.

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you think it is only black pope is at the top . I do not.

[lizzy]

exactly

irael is controlled by the CFR which is controlled by cardinal egan for the sumprem general

do you agree with that seanx?

[seanx]

do you agree with that seanx?

No, I don't.

I think it goes to multi-dimensional forces, of which we know
very little.

[damagedbrainn]

Au Contaire...NOBODY EVER says outright they have a jewish background here. Why?
Could it be that currently the thread title is true?

You need to quit flipping back and forth. When someone confronts you about your views on Jews, you insist that you don't mean all Jews, but just "Zionist" (whatever it is that that word means to you), and then later you turn around and say something like this which strongly implies that you think all Jews are evil. Why else would you assume that the title of this thread would scare away an average forum user from admitting that they were Jewish?

Very transparent.

[lizzy]

You need to quit flipping back and forth. When someone confronts you about your views on Jews, you insist that you don't mean all Jews, but just "Zionist" (whatever it is that that word means to you), and then later you turn around and say something like this which strongly implies that you think all Jews are evil. Why else would you assume that the title of this thread would scare away an average forum user from admitting that they were Jewish?

Very transparent.

db , how can all of any race be evil? There is enough blood to go around for ALL, however I do see, Christians fessing up to their heinous past more freely than those of the Jewish faith and please do not tell me it's because they do not have one. Past or Present. I know You take EVERYTHING as personal. It is not, look at whose at the TOP.

ZIONISTS' db, ZIONISTS' BOTH leaderships are behind the scenes, planning total global control but he who has the gold makes the rules, so who has the most DB? Plus the fact that at the top there is no concern or bonding with any of 'herd' , which they are happily culling as we speak.

[lizzy]

seanx......

The jews like the chiristians are only pawns.
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Something i can agree with at last...(and I have SAID BEFORE)..so why don't you stop bashing the Christians?

[thirdwave]

What it is with the extreme ignorance of those who seem to think its a "Jewish" conspiracy" .. is they don't really see the bigger picture...

Now its quite clear Jews are just another group of people who are suckered into a religion that screws them as all of them do... But its clear the Jews have both been victimised and protected for the use of and advantage of the powerful...

for example they are used to create hate agaist, made out to be scum by many so people resent and hate them and want rid of them, and in the past went about it in quite a straight forward way...

all that stuff about holocausts being over blown so on..... whether it was blown up into something bigger or not.. it is a fact that a disgusting amount of people and mostly Jews where pulled from there homes and slaughtered... and its quite clear that there are people who do not give 2 shits about moses are called Jews and hide behind the defence created by the fragile memories of the past...

and Im not defending them, because are dumb enough to wake up from their "tag" that's been shafting them for so long....

Oh but then you get the white toothed christians that thought they came along to save the day! :rolleyes:

and you say things like this and people ask why one attacks christianity and defends Jews... IM NOT! ... I think both are full of shit... which is why when one demonises the other I point out its wrong... foolish and darn right ignorant.

It would not shock me if the people going on about it here just want to give this forum a anti Semitic reputation in the hope the mainstream pick up on it and give Icke a hard time with it.... the vast majority of the "Jew bashers" here don't at all buy into any of Ickes works anyway!...

Its a pointless debate... for a start there are many kids of Jews.... and not all of these "Jews" are in fact involved in the NWO agenda... You people think highlighting that many of them are Jews is going to liberate the world!!..lol...dear oh dear! (maybe you don't, and you are just trouble making fakers?)

the finger should not be pointed at ones faith (how ever true or bullshit it is) ...the finger should be pointed at PEOPLE who seen to be doing wrong! and who's actions are clear... its really that simple!...try it rather than eating right out of the PTBs hands... you should not even utter the word Jew... no need too!!

After WW2 its shocking how thick some people can be..... we had Jews and Gays and "Gypsy's".. all being knocked off in the name of the NWO... and the "Jews" who are being "exposed" here are the ones who where behind the death of the real Jews...!

here on this website we have people obviously with a shortage of brain cells crying out about "the gay agenda" .... "the jew agenda" yadda yadda....

when you also research how much manipulation and propaganda was involved in WW2 to create all this.... you would have though more people would be scratching there heads this time around...

and the funny thing is ... religion is a crock of shit!

[thirdwave]

seanx......

The jews like the chiristians are only pawns.
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Something i can agree with at last...(and I have SAID BEFORE)..so why don't you stop bashing the Christians?

maybe if you paid attention to what has been said many many times regarding that question, you would not need to ask it again.

[keenly]

yes, i know.....but the jesuits were a satanic zionist lot, who don't give a fig for the jews or christians....only power.

as in.......

The Rothschild relationship to the Jews is deceiving. The family stance is publicized as "pro-Jewish", and they have given abundant charity to Jewish causes. But their support of the Jewish race has, in most cases, been used for the sole purpose of controlling the direction and profiting from the Jews.

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you think it is only black pope is at the top . I do not.


The black pope is THE SUPREME GENERAL; the most powerful man

[keenly]

No, I don't.

I think it goes to multi-dimensional forces, of which we know
very little.

leo zagami speaks of this in his interview with freerunner; very interesting

The jesuits and the higher elite including the pope do satanic rituals including human sacrifice and try to evoke possession. Leo said the reptilian theory is becuase the entities appear in reptilian form. Every high level person involved has an occult name; e.g father bush is magod or magog.

whether this is actually happening(possession) i am unsure of but that's WHAT THEY believe.

david icke's theory is totally wrong becuase the so called bloodlines are not at the top of the pyramid anyway; they are puppets for the most part to the vatican.

[eternal_spirit]

Same Jews here throwing their rattles out their prams. Do something usefull and expose the ADL , MOSSAD and the Talmud and prove with facts that some Jews are the most racist and richest people on the planet, the proof is there.

Now back on topic ahem
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley deal with it's maybe 80% of oil they're zionist jews fixing oil prices selling oil from Iraqu to China India.

There is no shortage of oil (there's more than enough to last the USA a thousand years in Mexico alone. It's another excuse to justify an other War and to control people by inflated oil prices.

The Rothschilds (Jews) fix the price of Gold and help control/fix the stock markets and financial interest rates.

The Oppenheimers (Jews) run and own the diamond mines and gold mines of Africa and share businesses mostly with the Rothschilds and co.

This is a short list I could go on.

[keenly]

Same Jews here throwing their rattles out their prams. Do something usefull and expose the ADL , MOSSAD and the Talmud and prove with facts that some Jews are the most racist and richest people on the planet, the proof is there.

Now back on topic ahem
Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley deal with it's maybe 80% of oil they're zionist jews fixing oil prices selling oil from Iraqu to China India.

There is no shortage of oil (there's more than enough to last the USA a thousand years in Mexico alone. It's another excuse to justify an other War and to control people by inflated oil prices.

The Rothschilds (Jews) fix the price of Gold and help control/fix the stock markets and financial interest rates.

The Oppenheimers (Jews) run and own the diamond mines and gold mines of Africa and share businesses mostly with the Rothschilds and co.

This is a short list I could go on.


the rothschilds are not jewish; they only do what the vatican tells them anyway. They do not follow judaism; they are lucifarian.

jews have no power

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Early in the 19th century the Pope approached the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcastically say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope. . . Order has at last been re-established"
(Derek Wilson, Rothschild: The Wealth and Power of a Dynasty, p. 101).

Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823 (The Curse of Canaan, p.125). Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system. The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild's of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild's Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church's wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the huge deposits of the Czars' wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions (Mullins, Eustice. The World Order, p.5).

"A number of rich Catholics undertook to organize a competitor bank to rival the Rothschild power. . . sometime about 1830. The Rothschilds crushed it. The Jewish Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 497) admits that:

"Following the failure of the Catholic bank, Union Generals, leaving the Rothschilds still more absolutely the undisputed leaders of French finance, but leaving also a legacy of hatred which had much influence on the growth of the anti-Semitic movement in France."

It says further:

"It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure."

If this latter statement is true the Rothschilds control in addition to their own fortune the immense liquid resource of the Catholic Church, which is second only to the Rothschilds' in wealth and power. It is probably not literally true since the private banking firm did not do commercial banking. It is likely that the papal treasure is deposited with the Bank of England or some other bank "front," but even so it contributes to the Rothschild power" (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p. 42).
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Thirteen families control the policy-making and decisions of the central banks in the world's leading nations, in which they are the majority shareholders. And the US dollar is the standard against which all other currency is measured. They also control the banks which practice fractional reserve banking -- sometimes without any reserve. The legal practice of the banks permits them to loan 20:1 against their deposits.

"When we look at the list of banks which cooperated with the very looters of the Vatican Bank during the looting, it reads like a roster of the banks of the Secret Empire: the Rothschilds (both Paris and London), Hambros Bank of London, J.P. Morgan, Marine Midland, Lloyds, National Westminster, the Morgan Guaranty, Banker's Trust, Chase Manhattan, Continental Illinois . . . etc. What! The Secret Empire co-operating to loot the world banking system? That makes no sense!"

"But it was not the Secret Empire banks which suffered the big losses. It was the depositors and stockholders of all the banks swindled. Any losses were deducted against taxes, swindling the taxpayers. And the Vatican later agreed to pay $250 million in exchange for being released from any culpability by the world banking system, which, of course, was paid by the humble, faithful flock. . . the looting of the Vatican Bank . . . could not have been carried out without the co-operation of the international bankers. . ." (Cushman Cunningham, The Secret Empire, p. 317, 586).

Meanwhile, Americans sit themselves before the television set and simply absorb what it projects to them. The three major networks which are under Rothschild direction

[eternal_spirit]

the rothschilds are not jewish; they only do what the vatican tells them anyway. They do not follow judaism; they are lucifarian.

jews have no power

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"The effect of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's will was to establish the kingdom of the Jews that has since been governed by his male descendants. Wherever a Jew is located, whatever nationality he may claim, he is a subject of this kingdom; his allegiance and duty to it supersedes his allegiance and duty to the country in which he dwells" (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p.24).

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"The Rothschilds govern a Christian world. Not a cabinet moves without their advice. They stretch their hand, with equal ease, from Petersburg to Vienna, from Vienna to Paris, from Paris to London, from London to Washington. Baron Rothschild, the head of the house, is the true king of Judah, the prince of the captivity, the Messiah so long looked for by this extraordinary people . . . The lion of the tribe of Judah, Baron Rothschild, possesses more real force than David -- more wisdom than Solomon" (Anka Muhlstein, Baron James, The Rise of the French Rothschilds).

[thirdwave]

Same Jews here throwing their rattles out their prams.

why are these "Jews" you talk about here, saying that Jewdisem is full of shit?

now, I don't want to put the hard drive into over drive here but could it be... (and this is just something im throwing out there) that its because they are not Jewish?????

:eek:

[keenly]

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"The effect of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's will was to establish the kingdom of the Jews that has since been governed by his male descendants. Wherever a Jew is located, whatever nationality he may claim, he is a subject of this kingdom; his allegiance and duty to it supersedes his allegiance and duty to the country in which he dwells" (George Armstrong, Rothschild Money Trust, p.24).

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"The Rothschilds govern a Christian world. Not a cabinet moves without their advice. They stretch their hand, with equal ease, from Petersburg to Vienna, from Vienna to Paris, from Paris to London, from London to Washington. Baron Rothschild, the head of the house, is the true king of Judah, the prince of the captivity, the Messiah so long looked for by this extraordinary people . . . The lion of the tribe of Judah, Baron Rothschild, possesses more real force than David -- more wisdom than Solomon" (Anka Muhlstein, Baron James, The Rise of the French Rothschilds).

disinfo

the rothschilds are 100% loyal to the vatican who HATE jews and were behind the holocaust

http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/Vatican_Mortgage_Part_1.html

read it all