Terence McKenna..

[thirdwave]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MHsB3RviFN4

[mad as a cat]

http://www.futurehi.net/images/terence_mckenna.jpg

Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000) was a writer, philosopher, and ethnobotanist. He is noted for his many speculations on the use of psychedelic, plant-based hallucinogens, and subjects ranging from shamanism, the development of human consciousness, and the novelty theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_mckenna

Video:

Terence McKenna - Seeking the Stone Part 1 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6088867521723616224)

Terence McKenna - Seeking the Stone Part 2 (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3721378281014589551)
An eloquent perspective by Terence McKenna on the idea of a spiritual path for all and an impending transformation of the human world. In all his singularly lucid, prosaic style, McKenna presents profoundly compelling ideas that challenge our beliefs and encourage our participation in the creation of a new social reality. He champions the individual’s freedom of choice in deciding one’s own sexual and spiritual development and techniques. He highlights the role of hallucinogenic plants in shamanic societies and their impact on the evolution of human cultures. See why this cyber-techno-shaman is drawing freethinking crowds wherever he speaks and find out what role you may play in the unfolding of our “post-historical future” as we approach a major “concresence” in human history.

Terence McKenna - Psychedelic Society

Audio:

Download these from this website:

http://www.futurehi.net/media.html

* Terence Mckenna - Dream Awake.mp3 (5mb)
* Terence Mckenna - Metamorphosis.mp3 (7.6mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -1A.mp3 (16.3mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -1B.mp3 (18.2mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -2A.mp3 (18.1mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -2B.mp3 (17.9mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -3A.mp3 (18.4mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Invisible Landscape (4/85) -3B.mp3 (16.8mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 2A.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 2B.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 3A.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 3B.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 4A.mp3 (18.1mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 4B.mp3 (17.9mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 5A.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 5B.mp3 (18.6mb)
* Terence McKenna & Ralph Metzner - Shamanism (10/88) - 6A.mp3 (6.2mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 1A.mp3 (18.6mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 1B.mp3 (17.6mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 3A.mp3 (18.4mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 3B.mp3 (17.2mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 4A.mp3 (18.3mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 4B.mp3 (18.1mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 5A.mp3 (18.4mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 5B.mp3 (18.5mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 6A.mp3 (18.3mb)
* Terence McKenna & Nicole - Amazonian Shamanism - 6B.mp3 (4.9mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 1A.mp3 (18.3mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 1B.mp3 (18.3mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 2A.mp3 (18.3mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 2B.mp3 (17.4mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 3A.mp3 (18.4mb)
* Terence McKenna - The Rites of Spring - 3B.mp3 (18.5mb)

[thirdwave]

cheers, that should cover it :)

[razed1]

'machine elves' :eek:

[thirdwave]

this is the kind of guy you would listen to while on acid and spend 2 hours rolling on the floor with laughter because of how much sense he was coming out with....

[tootrue]

this is the kind of guy you would listen to while on acid and spend 2 hours rolling on the floor with laughter because of how much sense he was coming out with....

Mckenna is one of the contributors towards my Awakening! :)

[iro_]

This is the audiobook (read brilliantly by terence) and the .pdf of True Hallucinations - his account of his first journey into the Amazon in search of psychedelics. The accounts detailed herein are fucking incredible... elven machine men speaking in geometry and all! i recommend this to everyone interested in consciousness and evolution, UFO's and modern culture.

I felt compelled to share this as the book is barely in print any more and the audio book is long since deceased since the death of cassette tape. I grabbed it off a very badly seeded torrent, took over 11 days to drip down the wire, so rather than give the torrent here's a rapidshare link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/82141296/Terence_McKenna_-_True_Hallucinations__audio_book_and_ebook_.rar.ht ml

try your luck with the torrent if you'd prefer:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3927979/Terence_McKenna_-_True_Hallucinations_(audio_book_and_ebook)


Utterly enchanting. A modern classic.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DNAYYRFNL._SS500_.jpg
review here:
http://www.enlightenment.com/media/bookrevs/truehalu.html

[chris]

McKenna is the guy we all love to love but seriously, he doesn't know jack shit. A bit like Bill Hicks, he was semi good comedian but he sucked in many other ways but he's literally worshipped as a god now...

If you follow McKenna your going to get serious brain damage.

[razed1]

McKenna is the guy we all love to love but seriously, he doesn't know jack shit. A bit like Bill Hicks, he was semi good comedian but he sucked in many other ways but he's literally worshipped as a god now...

If you follow McKenna your going to get serious brain damage.

you have yet to wake up

[rossus]

I have done mushroom and acid quite a lot, and had several extremely wonderful spiritual experiences on them such as the ones Mckenna refers to,
Which is to be aware of ourselves as "god" or to strongly feel that loving connection with "the universe" or "nature" or "god", however we may call it.


I've just finished watching the complete video "seeking the stone" by Mckenna,
which was mentioned earlier in this thread.

1.....Mckenna is usually spot on when he talks about how idiotic our (the masses) behavior has become...
2.....Mckenna's theories about the universe and about human history lack proof, so all these idea's they're kind of "fun" to listen to but other than that do not provide much value... or at least not more value than the hundreds of theories out there, or the theories we suck out of our thumbs on the spot.
3......it seems as if mckenna believes that if everyone would start eating mushroom...
then we'd all awaken to our true nature, and start to think and act again in a way that is not Insane.... i don't agree

While it is true that a lot of people who have taken mushrooms or LSD become a more openminded and nicer person afterwards,
this is surely not the case with everyone...
I've seen people become even more stuck in their ego than before they tripped on psychedelic.


And the people that do become more openminded and a nicer person after psychedelic use,
often there is still quite a bit unhappiness (unfullfilledness) that remains in them...

and this often leads to these person to continue smoking cannabis not so rarely,
and also continue using psychedelic drugs to have this "spiritual experience of love" again...


So i guess what i'm trying to say is, drugs (wether it's heroin, cannabis or magic mushrooms) they can make you feel absolutely great for a short period of time...

but then ur back sober. This is what i don't like about them.
I find in my experience that meditation produces much the same effect as the spiritual love feeling that Psychedelic or MDMA can give,

but permanent!



But on the otherhand,
a.......if it i wouldn't have had repeatedly tasted "nirvana" through the use of psychedelics,
i would have probably never become interested in trying meditation.
b.......if it wouldn't have been because of the use of mushroom,
i might have been really stuck in my ego, and would be a lot more closeminded than i am now.


i've been off all drugs for 2 year now,
and been doing meditation instead... and i think that continuing the use of drugs would have helt me back from reaching the strong level of "inner fullfillment" as i have reached now..

but i don't call the spiritual experiences on mushroom/acid fake,
for me they've been absolutely great and Real.
but unfortunately, too temporary :p
McKenna is the guy we all love to love but seriously, he doesn't know jack shit. A bit like Bill Hicks, he was semi good comedian but he sucked in many other ways but he's literally worshipped as a god now...
yea i kind of agree,
mckenna seems a nice guy who tells a lot of things that are true (a lot of those things we already know anyway)

but most of the stuff he talks about is all theory which could make sense, but could be complete bollox also.
i think part of the reason why mckenna is so popular is because,
people who like doing drugs love a guy who tells them that what they're doing is great.

especially a guy who's "Intelligent, spiritual and entertaining"... thats the kind of guy we all love to love indeed.
If you follow McKenna your going to get serious brain damage.
i wouldn't go as far as saying something like that though :p

[razed1]

man hes so articulate,

he understands that we are a vehicle for the GAIAN mind to ensure its own survivial :D something like that

[chris]

yea i kind of agree,
mckenna seems a nice guy who tells a lot of things that are true (a lot of those things we already know anyway)

but most of the stuff he talks about is all theory which could make sense, but could be complete bollox also.
i think part of the reason why mckenna is so popular is because,
people who like doing drugs love a guy who tells them that what they're doing is great.

especially a guy who's "Intelligent, spiritual and entertaining"... thats the kind of guy we all love to love indeed.

Yeah, it's funny the people who think that just because you've criticiesd god (McKenna) you have never tripped out in your life...Believe me, I've been gibbering on mushrooms/acid while connected to infinity on so many occasions that now I can see visual energy eveywhere and it's extremely fucking annoying. This is not awakening, this is braindamage. God died from a brain tumour and obviously Gods followers will say the powers that be killed him not the copious amounts of mushrooms which are nothing but a window and a highly distorted window at that.

[chris]

man hes so articulate,

lol, he's the slowest guy I've ever heard. He's just a fucked up hippy trying who likes to do mushrooms and justifies it by pretending it to be a highly spiritual thing.

If Mushrooms really were a way to enlightenment, then wouldn't there have been a huge awakening a long time ago? Or if Mushrooms were a way to enlightenment, I would be pretty close to god right now, I am not.

[razed1]

lol, he's the slowest guy I've ever heard. He's just a fucked up hippy trying who likes to do mushrooms and justifies it by pretending it to be a highly spiritual thing.

If Mushrooms really were a way to enlightenment, then wouldn't there have been a huge awakening a long time ago? Or if Mushrooms were a way to enlightenment, I would be pretty close to god right now, I am not.

do you understand the words that comin outta his mooouuuuutthhh???

Rush Hour: Chris Tucker Clip - YouTube

[chris]

But hey, I am not awake so look down upon me...I am not cool because I don't prop up some idiot telling us all to take magic mushrooms.

He's just a clown, get over it. And while your at it, get over Bill Hicks, he's just got one act and half of it is very tedious.

[cheemflo]

Great post. Thanks T.W. I will enjoy listening to those interviews, I am sure.

[razed1]

gaiaka gaiaka

LMFAO!

[razed1]

sorry one more ROFL!!

Rush Hour 3 - He is Mi and I am Yu - YouTube

[thirdwave]

McKenna is the guy we all love to love but seriously, he doesn't know jack shit. A bit like Bill Hicks

:eek:

[thirdwave]

Great post. Thanks T.W. I will enjoy listening to those interviews, I am sure.

no problem...

[astro zombie]

Yeah, psychedelics cause "brain damage" right, lets all listen to what the governments position on them are.

It's simple really, psychedelic's like psilocybin are 'consciousness boosters', they are like a 'key' opening hidden potential that is 'locked' in our brains.

You can't gain enlightment from them alone, but they can certainly help.;)

Yeah McKenna was just "a fucked up hippie" what the fuck ever.

[chris]

Yeah, psychedelics cause "brain damage" right, lets all listen to what the governments position on them are.

It's simple really, psychedelic's like psilocybin are 'consciousness boosters', they are like a 'key' opening hidden potential that is 'locked' in our brains.

You can't gain enlightment from them alone, but they can certainly help.;)

Yeah McKenna was just "a fucked up hippie" what the fuck ever.

lol, it's so funny watching peoples reactions to blaspheme of the conspiracy culture.

If Mushrooms help then they don't do very much because I don't know anyone that has been taking mushrooms for a long time and been able to do anything in meditation without them.

They are just a fad for the sheeple to get into to get fucked up with the excuse of doing it for spiritual purposes.

The government aren't appologising for it, they actually push it on us...What about CIA Tim O'Leary telling all the hippys to do LSD (which compound is closer than psilocybin to our dimethyltryptamine)...Your just jumping on the bandwagon.

If you want to get high then get high, I'm not saying it's evil or anything, I'm just saying don't fool yourself that your going to be Buddha when you've taken them for long periods.

[fleensteen]

Hmm ... bill hicks a mediocre talent ?

so there you have it ... Mushy's are NOT for everyone folks.

Just look what they did to chris ;)

[chris]

Hmm ... bill hicks a mediocre talent ?

Where did I say mediocre? He was funny, he had some foresight but need he be worshipped?

so there you have it ... Mushy's are NOT for everyone folks.

Just look what they did to chris ;)

Exactly:D

[sunyatta60]

The government aren't appologising for it, they actually push it on us...What about CIA Tim O'Leary telling all the hippys to do LSD (which compound is closer than psilocybin to our dimethyltryptamine)...Your just jumping on the bandwagon.

Tim Leary was jailed by the CIA scumbags I recommend his book Your Brain Is God! Tim would not sacrifice his principles and he put two fingers up to Uncle Sam!

[eternal_spirit]

Ask the one's who ended up with drug induced schizophrenia after too much LSD if given a chance would they take it again!

[eternal_spirit]

lol, it's so funny watching peoples reactions to blaspheme of the conspiracy culture.

If Mushrooms help then they don't do very much because I don't know anyone that has been taking mushrooms for a long time and been able to do anything in meditation without them.

They are just a fad for the sheeple to get into to get fucked up with the excuse of doing it for spiritual purposes.

The government aren't appologising for it, they actually push it on us...What about CIA Tim O'Leary telling all the hippys to do LSD (which compound is closer than psilocybin to our dimethyltryptamine)...Your just jumping on the bandwagon.

If you want to get high then get high, I'm not saying it's evil or anything, I'm just saying don't fool yourself that your going to be Buddha when you've taken them for long periods.

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What better way to fool people into believing they are seeing angel/demons/spirits dose them with LSD, beam holographic images and voices at them with electronic devices. When they sit their meditating following their Guru's teachings after joining some meditation group, it's child play for the intelligence agencies.

Wouldn't this explain Shaylar and all the other sightings and communications with Jesus or whoever.

This is the problem, how can you be sure if you're having a spiritual experience or a man made electronic one:eek: And to confuse us even more, hypnotic suggestions, if Paul Mckenna can do it on stage jeez.

Also hallucanations may just be projections from your own mind. Lucid dreaming even maybe.

[eternal_spirit]

But hey, I am not awake so look down upon me...I am not cool because I don't prop up some idiot telling us all to take magic mushrooms.

He's just a clown, get over it. And while your at it, get over Bill Hicks, he's just got one act and half of it is very tedious.

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Agreed

That's the trouble round here, too many self delusional superority types.... I'm enlightned you're not, I'm awke you're not. Jeez give it a rest.

Although I've had some amazing experiences form shrooms etc. But wouldn't say that it's the answer to enlightenment or whatever the newest label or fad says.

[chris]

Tim Leary was jailed by the CIA scumbags I recommend his book Your Brain Is God! Tim would not sacrifice his principles and he put two fingers up to Uncle Sam!

ROLF! It's well known he was a CIA agent.

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A1f4cfON1fhH5eIAcjZLBQx.?p=Timothy+Lea ry+cia&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8&rd=r1

[razed1]

lol, it's so funny watching peoples reactions to blaspheme of the conspiracy culture.

If Mushrooms help then they don't do very much because I don't know anyone that has been taking mushrooms for a long time and been able to do anything in meditation without them.

They are just a fad for the sheeple to get into to get fucked up with the excuse of doing it for spiritual purposes.

The government aren't appologising for it, they actually push it on us...What about CIA Tim O'Leary telling all the hippys to do LSD (which compound is closer than psilocybin to our dimethyltryptamine)...Your just jumping on the bandwagon.

If you want to get high then get high, I'm not saying it's evil or anything, I'm just saying don't fool yourself that your going to be Buddha when you've taken them for long periods.

what the hell do YOU know about ANYTHING...




NOTHING!!!!!

[eternal_spirit]

what the hell do YOU know about ANYTHING...




NOTHING!!!!!


We all know you're the know it all who thinks he knows it all but really knows fuck all.

RE :

That's the trouble round here, too many self delusional superority types.... I'm enlightned you're not, I'm awke you're not. Jeez give it a rest.

[razed1]

fuck you bitch, i wasnt talking to you, go fuck yourself

[eternal_spirit]

fuck you bitch, i wasnt talking to you, go fuck yourself

.......................

If i get my asshole coverted into a fanny guess I could stay home and fuck myself.

[razed1]

learn to type HO!

[eternal_spirit]

Was also a big wake up call for me when I found out, because I used to dig Leary and the 60's thing was a neo hippie myself at one time. I think it was Wavy Gravy and his psychedelic bus would drive around handing out free acid which was also another CIA set up.

what does worry me though in his later life Leary was promoting some kind of electronic mind expanding device or something, of what we know now about mind control via these devices :eek: There's many of these around, claim to rearange your aura, electro magnetic field, enhance one's moods, I have heard there's one that can make you halucanate ( Leary's devices probably ) And he wa involved in experimnets, back in the 60's at the Stanford Research Institue ( America's version of Tavistock) or Berkley?not looked into the more recent ones he was pushing. ( there is a name for them? ) There's your clue if anyone want's too do some research.

See, Mckenna may have took over from where Leary left off

RE:

What better way to fool people into believing they are seeing angel/demons/spirits dose them with LSD, beam holographic images and voices at them with electronic devices. When they sit their meditating following their Guru's teachings after joining some meditation group, it's child play for the intelligence agencies.

[chris]

fuck you bitch, i wasnt talking to you, go fuck yourself

:eek:

lol Eternal, this guys hilarious:D

You have to remember we are in the conspiracy religion and to say anything against McKenna or Hicks is blasphame so don't be surprised by the crazy reactions...

It is like getting a tattoo of mohammed on your arse and showing it to a bunch of Muslims...They can't hack it.

Let's just face it...Bill Hicks & Terrance McKenna = Overrated...Now let's all take a deep breath and move on.

[eternal_spirit]

Mark Riebling -- Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent?

* "Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy: Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent? .... April 13, 1953: CIA launches Operation MK/ULTRA, a major drug and mind-control program. ..."
www.markriebling.com/leary.html (http://www.markriebling.com/leary.html)

3. TIMOTHY LEARY AND THE CIA

* "The CIA memo directed agents to contact Leary and company, who were then .... He started by congratulating me for breaking the CIA-mind control story. ..."
www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/tlcia.html (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/tlcia.html)

4. MIND CONTROL

* "The Mind Control Forum - a library of readings against the mind control ... Leary's wife Rosemary didn't want to deal with the CIA agent who sprang them ..."
www.mindcontrolforums.com/gottlieb-mindcontrol.htm (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gottlieb-mindcontrol.htm)

5. doctrine wars: MK ULTRA : Operation Mind Control For World Government

* "Timothy Leary was recruited around 1947-48 by CIA agent Cord Meyer, when Leary and Meyer were ..... Scottish TV Documentary on CIA MIND CONTROL Satanist DR. ..."
doctrinewars.blogspot.com/2008/01/mk-ultra-operation-mind-control-for.html

6. Links to Documents Concerning the CIA

* "Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent? Was JFK the "Manchurian Candidate"? ... Jon Rappoport: CIA Experiments with Mind Control on Children ..."
www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_lynx.html (http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_lynx.html)

7. Timothy Leary

* "Her words kept repeating in my mind. (3) Timothy Leary, Flashbacks (1983) ... Why was the fact that Cord Meyer Jr. was a top CIA agent covered up in the ..."
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlearyT.htm (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlearyT.htm)

8. Alex Jones Pat Buchanan CIA Agents of Continued Project Mockingbird

* "Being that Pat Buchanan was a major player in the CIA playing mind control ... During the Braden-Buchanan years, LSD guru Timothy Leary told a reporter that ..."
www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm (http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm)

9. Leary Admitted CIA Involvement? - [tmbchr]™

* "The CIA had created the “Psychedelic Sixties” with Timothy Leary’s help? ... agent since 1962, understanding that the next war for control of this planet ..."
www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/leary-admitted-cia-involvement/ (http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/leary-admitted-cia-involvement/)

10. savethemales.ca - The CIA Created the Drug Culture

* "30 Apr 2005 ... If not a CIA agent, Reibling makes a convincing case that Leary was ..... the Tavistock Institute and the Beatles, mind control and the CIA. ..."
www.savethemales.ca/000907.html (http://www.savethemales.ca/000907.html)

11. What do you think of Timothy Leary? - People Forum - Hip Forums

* "The CIA had created the “Psychedelic Sixties” with Timothy Leary’s help? .... now convinced that Leary was a pawn and acid LSD for mind-control. personally, ..."
www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288894&page=1 (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288894&page=1)

12. History House: LSD and the CIA

* "Before Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey, the CIA used marijuana and LSD in an effort to create mind-control drugs. This initially sober research turned into a ..."
www.historyhouse.com/in_history/lsd/ (http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/lsd/)

13. The Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson Show « Skunks’s Weblog

* "Society is based on the control and direction of socio-sexual behavior. ... Just when you thought you had it all figured out: Was Leary a CIA agent? ..."
skunks.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-timothy-leary-and-robert-anton-wilson-show/

14. CIA Shrinks and LSD

* "Leary's wife Rosemary didn't want to deal with the CIA agent who sprang them from ... was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the CIA at ..."
www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html)

15. fUSION Anomaly. Timothy Leary

* "by Timothy Leary & Liquid Mind. samples: "now, energy becomes... here it is... nameless... .... "it was the CIA and the military that brought internal link ..."
fusionanomaly.net/timothyleary.html

16. Susie Bright's Journal : You Get the Timothy Leary You Deserve

* "Shortly before his death, Timothy Leary was asked about Richard Nixon calling him ... population by the CIA to see how it worked as a mind-control agent. ..."
susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2006/08/you_get_the_tim.html

17. Timothy Leary - Wikiquote

* "Timothy Leary's track on Sound Bites from the Counter Culture (1989). That’s the left wing of the CIA debating the right wing of the CIA. ..."
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary

18. SHADOW 39 A Game of Mind Tennis with Timothy Leary

* "A GAME OF MIND TENNIS WITH TIMOTHY LEARY. By Paul Krassner. Timothy_Leary. On May 31, Timothy Leary died at the age of 75. In August 1995, about a week ..."
mediafilter.org/MFF/S39/S39.Leary.html

19. Conspiracies, Conspiracies Everywhere

* "The CIA Created The Drug Culture My Weekend with Timothy Leary ... If not a CIA agent, Reibling makes a compelling case that Leary was their dupe. ..."
www.rense.com/general64/theCIAcreatedthedrug.htm (http://www.rense.com/general64/theCIAcreatedthedrug.htm)

20. LSD Lecture

* "CIA mind-control experiments with LSD. Fear of mind control gap in ... 5) Timothy Leary. 1968 Leary ran for CA governor saying he’d camp on lawn & let ..."
ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Science--Technology--and-Society/STS-062JSpring-2006/86FCFA09-222E-472F-8267-6882E53269FB/0/lsd_lecture.pdf

[razed1]

:eek:

lol Eternal, this guys hilarious:D

You have to remember we are in the conspiracy religion and to say anything against McKenna or Hicks is blasphame so don't be surprised by the crazy reactions...

It is like getting a tattoo of mohammed on your arse and showing it to a bunch of Muslims...They can't hack it.

Let's just face it...Bill Hicks & Terrance McKenna = Overrated...Now let's all take a deep breath and move on.

yea well you need to stop giggling in your lay-z-boy, and actually learn you something

the comments youve posted have been ignorant, uninformed, YUPPYfied to the extreme,

you should do more research into the 'sacred plants' topic, you make yourself look like an idiot with what your saying

[eternal_spirit]

yea well you need to stop giggling in your lay-z-boy, and actually learn you something

the comments youve posted have been ignorant, uninformed, YUPPYfied to the extreme,

you should do more research into the 'sacred plants' topic, you make yourself look like an idiot with what your saying

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LOL this is yet more proof of your own ignorance!

You're the bloody Sikh ( high caste ) I'm poor the lowest rung of the class/caste system in Britain.

And yuppies is a rich middle/upper class type a label attached to them in the 80's. So. leave out the yupie label.


Yeah right Jesus was mushroom:rolleyes:

I thought it is more likley he was an allegory for the sun.


quote: chris

It is like getting a tattoo of mohammed on your arse and showing it to a bunch of Muslims...They can't hack it.

Let's just face it...Bill Hicks & Terrance McKenna = Overrated...Now let's all take a deep breath and move on.
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:D

[razed1]

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LOL this is yet more proof of your own ignorance!

You're the bloody Sikh ( high caste ) I'm poor the lowest rung of the class/caste system in Britain.

And yuppies is a rich middle/upper class type a label attached to them in the 80's. So. leave out the yupie label.


Yeah right Jesus was mushroom:rolleyes:

I thought it is more likley he was an allegory for the sun.


quote: chris

It is like getting a tattoo of mohammed on your arse and showing it to a bunch of Muslims...They can't hack it.

Let's just face it...Bill Hicks & Terrance McKenna = Overrated...Now let's all take a deep breath and move on.
..............................
:D


i dont know if you brain has shut off today, but do you see in my post i quoted chris, that means that my message was directed towards him

and being yuppy doesnt have anything to do with caste, there are a whole binch of rich yuppys and a bunch of poor yuppys

when i say yuppy, i mean this person chris has let the SYSTEM, the establishment give him his opinion on psychedelics, thinking its all just about 'getting high' etc

well its not,


and you fools have yet to wake up to the truth of the matter, a SHAME considering all the time you spend on these forums, slinging your shit, not even attempting to learn a damn thing MAN?!?!

[chris]

yea well you need to stop giggling in your lay-z-boy, and actually learn you something

the comments youve posted have been ignorant, uninformed, YUPPYfied to the extreme,

you should do more research into the 'sacred plants' topic, you make yourself look like an idiot with what your saying

Ignorance is generally trying to label something before understanding them and you manage to call me ignorant and then label me a YUPPY in the same sentence. What makes you think I'm a Yuppy? Because I am not a follower of some junky?

Believe me, I have investigated sacred plants and they have investigated me through my blood stream on many occasions.

I used to fall for this bullshit as well but then I realised it's just self denial and that I was just going along with a fad.

If they were enlightening then there would be people with average IQ's in the 60s to have 160+ IQ's in the 80s...This is not the case. Just accept it, McKenna is just a druggy with delusions of grandeur.

[razed1]

Ignorance is generally trying to label something before understanding them and you manage to call me ignorant and then label me a YUPPY in the same sentence. What makes you think I'm a Yuppy? Because I am not a follower of some junky?

BLAH BLAH JUNKY?? yea ok..


Believe me, I have investigated sacred plants and they have investigated me through my blood stream on many occasions.

NO YOU HAVENT STOP TALKING SHIT


I used to fall for this bullshit as well but then I realised it's just self denial and that I was just going along with a fad.

IT AINT A FAD, THOUSANDS OF YEARS, IS NOT A FAD

If they were enlightening then there would be people with average IQ's in the 60s to have 160+ IQ's in the 80s...This is not the case. Just accept it, McKenna is just a druggy with delusions of grandeur.

YOUR LOGIC IS WRONG



theres not help for your closedminded antics

[chris]

when i say yuppy, i mean this person chris has let the SYSTEM, the establishment give him his opinion on psychedelics, thinking its all just about 'getting high' etc

I only speak from experience regarding these matters...They are so overrated. Why you make it so personal? Have you invested a lot into this?

[chris]

Believe me, I have investigated sacred plants and they have investigated me through my blood stream on many occasions.

NO YOU HAVENT STOP TALKING SHIT

LOL! So your saying I have never taken any psychodelics in my life? I've taken so many I became a gibbering wreak for a few hours with so many insights but only gibberish to try to explain them.

I once taken Mushrooms and ended up doing Chinese takeways deliveries that day! (long story)...

Your only denying me that I have done them because it seriously hurts your argument.

[thirdwave]

mmmm well


I hope those who are interested enjoy his links... the others don't have to listen....

I find the guy very interesting... and he is obviously an very deep in depth person....

And is actually quite respected.

Some people like to get deep, others dont.

[razed1]

LOL! So your saying I have never taken any psychodelics in my life? I've taken so many I became a gibbering wreak for a few hours with so many insights but only gibberish to try to explain them.

I once taken Mushrooms and ended up doing Chinese takeways deliveries that day! (long story)...

Your only denying me that I have done them because it seriously hurts your argument.




all your saying is acting like you know what psychedelics are and the 'psychedelic experience is, based on the couple of times you tripped out hard

youre not saying anything that is really valid to your points about mckenna,

youre calling him a 'junkie' and having delusions of grandeur, when ANYONE who has bothered to listen (and actually UNDERSTAND) ANY of mckenna's material, you would find that he is quite the contrary,

maybe all those big words he used are just too complex for you??


but you know the BEST part about psychedelics? it's nature's perfect mirror, the reason why you had a 'bad' experience, because it was your own inner turmoil and bile that was reflected back at YOU!

anybody who has ever done a proper dosage of psychedelics, knows that its a ritualistic type of event, you literally should treat it like a god, because there is a commune going on between you and the plant, you actually learn insights into yourself from the plant,

but to casual drug users like you, who treat it like some 'drug', well that the type of experience you will get



see, contrary to what you will respond with, you are trapped in you ego mind, you dont see any beauty in the natural world around, oh youll SAY you do, but you dont, its obvious from your responses, you have a long way to go before you gain any kind of enlightement


attitudes like yours, piss me off, because the experience one has to feel for themself, and some jabroni who gets high with his friends a couple times, think he knows what is the psychedelic experience, and thinks they felt the potential of the plant, this is bullshit,

you havent experienced anything, so thats why i dont consider your words seriously, cause youre just talking out your ass on this subject, ie. youre talking SHIT!

[danucrom]

:eek:

lol Eternal, this guys hilarious:D

You have to remember we are in the conspiracy religion and to say anything against McKenna or Hicks is blasphame so don't be surprised by the crazy reactions...

It is like getting a tattoo of mohammed on your arse and showing it to a bunch of Muslims...They can't hack it.

Let's just face it...Bill Hicks & Terrance McKenna = Overrated...Now let's all take a deep breath and move on.

I once told TW that trying to have a debate with him is like trying to debate a fundy christian, next to impossible. People who have adopted a religious mindset and a belief system always look on themselves as far more "enlightned" than those who don't agree with them and the doctrine they subscribe to. They also have a tendancy to get quite abusive when someone disses their belief system. Religion comes in many forms and turns otherwise nice people into ranting and raving fruitbats.

[auron]

but to casual drug users like you, who treat it like some 'drug', well that the type of experience you will get


you dont see any beauty in the natural world around, oh youll SAY you do, but you dont,

Nice. :D

[eternal_spirit]

all your saying is acting like you know what psychedelics are and the 'psychedelic experience is, based on the couple of times you tripped out hard

youre not saying anything that is really valid to your points about mckenna,

youre calling him a 'junkie' and having delusions of grandeur, when ANYONE who has bothered to listen (and actually UNDERSTAND) ANY of mckenna's material, you would find that he is quite the contrary,

maybe all those big words he used are just too complex for you??


but you know the BEST part about psychedelics? it's nature's perfect mirror, the reason why you had a 'bad' experience, because it was your own inner turmoil and bile that was reflected back at YOU!

anybody who has ever done a proper dosage of psychedelics, knows that its a ritualistic type of event, you literally should treat it like a god, because there is a commune going on between you and the plant, you actually learn insights into yourself from the plant,

but to casual drug users like you, who treat it like some 'drug', well that the type of experience you will get



see, contrary to what you will respond with, you are trapped in you ego mind, you dont see any beauty in the natural world around, oh youll SAY you do, but you dont, its obvious from your responses, you have a long way to go before you gain any kind of enlightement


attitudes like yours, piss me off, because the experience one has to feel for themself, and some jabroni who gets high with his friends a couple times, think he knows what is the psychedelic experience, and thinks they felt the potential of the plant, this is bullshit,

you havent experienced anything, so thats why i dont consider your words seriously, cause youre just talking out your ass on this subject, ie. youre talking SHIT!

................................

RE :

That's the trouble round here, too many self delusional superority types.... I'm enlightned you're not, I'm awke you're not. Jeez give it a rest.

And, what's the point in debating someone like you? Chris said he's had MANY psychedelic experiences, you need to read what Chris typed and understand what he said. You and TW are like to pease in a pod Crazed1.

[razed1]

the reason i get fiery about this ,

is i feel how DARE these "orcs" chris and 'eternal spirit' defile the sanctity of the legacy of sacred plants with their uninformed ramblings about a topic they have no knowledge of,

it could be a beautiful thing! dont let these ppl discourage anyone froom finding out the truth of what we humans are and just how we are linked to the rest of nature, nature has given us venues from which we can 'know' her


you'll see these ppl make posts on those kinds of topics, and how we are all 'one consciousness'

but how many of them can actually speak from experience?? or are they just repeating what they hear to be part of the 'crowd'

so bogus,


with any kinds of psychedelics, one has to do research first, and prepare themselves for the experience, you dont just treat it like some casual leisure experience, (although it can be) but it deserves a certain respect and focus, otherwise nature has a way of smacking you back down and teaching you a lesson!

[razed1]

................................

RE :

That's the trouble round here, too many self delusional superority types.... I'm enlightned you're not, I'm awke you're not. Jeez give it a rest.

And, what's the point in debating someone like you? Chris said he's had MANY psychedelic experiences, you need to read what Chris typed and understand what he said. You and TW are like to pease in a pod Crazed1.

just stick to your 'acceptable' drug use of coffee and cigarettes and booze, the kind big brother has approved for you, nothing to worry about, the GOVT LOVESS YOU

[chris]

all your saying is acting like you know what psychedelics are and the 'psychedelic experience is, based on the couple of times you tripped out hard

youre not saying anything that is really valid to your points about mckenna,

youre calling him a 'junkie' and having delusions of grandeur, when ANYONE who has bothered to listen (and actually UNDERSTAND) ANY of mckenna's material, you would find that he is quite the contrary,

maybe all those big words he used are just too complex for you??


but you know the BEST part about psychedelics? it's nature's perfect mirror, the reason why you had a 'bad' experience, because it was your own inner turmoil and bile that was reflected back at YOU!

anybody who has ever done a proper dosage of psychedelics, knows that its a ritualistic type of event, you literally should treat it like a god, because there is a commune going on between you and the plant, you actually learn insights into yourself from the plant,

but to casual drug users like you, who treat it like some 'drug', well that the type of experience you will get



see, contrary to what you will respond with, you are trapped in you ego mind, you dont see any beauty in the natural world around, oh youll SAY you do, but you dont, its obvious from your responses, you have a long way to go before you gain any kind of enlightement


attitudes like yours, piss me off, because the experience one has to feel for themself, and some jabroni who gets high with his friends a couple times, think he knows what is the psychedelic experience, and thinks they felt the potential of the plant, this is bullshit,

you havent experienced anything, so thats why i dont consider your words seriously, cause youre just talking out your ass on this subject, ie. youre talking SHIT!

It's so funny that you think you know me...I have done all kinds of dosages and done them in all kinds of conditions, especially for meditation which I've done for many years.

But you know everything about me.

Tell me, how has your IQ grown? Are you now able to communicate with higher beings without them? Can you get into higher states in meditation without them? Can you open your third eye at will without them? If they are half as good as you say they are then you should be able to do all of the above.

As for McKennas philosophy, it's nothing out of the ordinary newage textbooks. His only flavour he adds to it is to philosophise over it on mushrooms. Wow...What a great prophet.

[thirdwave]

I once told TW that trying to have a debate with him is like trying to debate a fundy christian, next to impossible. People who have adopted a religious mindset and a belief system always look on themselves as far more "enlightned" than those who don't agree with them and the doctrine they subscribe to. They also have a tendancy to get quite abusive when someone disses their belief system. Religion comes in many forms and turns otherwise nice people into ranting and raving fruitbats.

lol, my posts are free for people to view, and have a search for these insults.... there is a difference between not taking shit, and insulting people ;)

its not so much getting wound up at the accusation, you can accuse me of what you like. Its more a case of not respecting how ignorant it is... after having already expressed my views that could not be more opposite to the Christian views or mind set...But it seems clear to me you do it deliberately just to provoke a thread that you don't understand, so i have no intention of spoiling your little game...

I hear you loud and clear.... Im am like a Christian because I choose to keep an open mind.... you have an open mind because there are lots of things you don't believe! ok?

:eek:

??

[eternal_spirit]

razed1 fact is I've probably had more trips than you and TW have had wanks and that's a lot.


:D

[danucrom]

lol, my posts are free for people to view, and have a search for these insults.... there is a difference between not taking shit, and insulting people ;)

its not so much getting wound up at the accusation, you can accuse me of what you like. Its more a case of not respecting how ignorant it is... after having already expressed my views that could not be more opposite to the Christian views or mind set...But it seems clear to me you do it deliberately just to provoke a thread that you don't understand, so i have no intention of spoiling your little game...

I hear you loud and clear.... Im am like a Christian because I choose to keep an open mind.... you have an open mind because there are lots of things you don't believe! ok?

:eek:

??

You just don't get it do you. :rolleyes:

[chris]

the reason i get fiery about this ,

is i feel how DARE these "orcs" chris and 'eternal spirit' defile the sanctity of the legacy of sacred plants

LOL, burn all heratics!!! They defile the sacntity of the legacy of sacred plants!!!

This is exactly the kind of counter culture conditioning I find hilarious within the conspiracy culture. It's like some people have to become a follower or indoctrinator of something and in conspiracies it's mushrooms and Bill Hicks for fucks sake!

I'm not discouraging anyone from taking Mushrooms...I just wonder how many people honestly believe that you increase the percentage you use your brain after each trip.

But obviously I am closed minded and a Yuppy because I couldn't possibly give psychodelics a good chance over years and then give my honest opinion on them in retrospect.

[thetonic]

razed1 fact is I've probably had more trips than you and TW have had wanks and that's a lot.


:D

You toad!!! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

There's the proof that it doesnt work right there!!!

[razed1]

, especially for meditation which I've done for many years.

YOUR MEDIDATIONS ARE WORTH CRAP IF YOU CANT DISCERN WHETHER T.MCKENNA's WORK IS OF ANY VALUE OR NOT

Tell me, how has your IQ grown? Are you now able to communicate with higher beings without them? Can you get into higher states in meditation without them? Can you open your third eye at will without them? If they are half as good as you say they are then you should be able to do all of the above.

NO ONE HAS SAID ANY OF THOSE THINGS





see you are a victim of this 'designer' new age philosophy

you ppl live in artificially crafted worlds of your ego,

its a sad state, i didnt want to you to expose yourself, but you are with every post,

your time is over, youre too old for this, your mind is too sullied and conditioned by system,


i used to think why so many ppl keep mentioning this 'new age' stuff, until i listen to ppl like you, you dont know what 'meditation' is, youre expecting to be talking to higher beings, your expecting your third eye to pop out of your skull and levitate,

this is isnt real, YOU are not real

the only thing you can expect these plants to do (if you can get a hold of some) is to expose your true self

[auron]

LOL, burn all heratics!!! They defile the sacntity of the legacy of sacred plants!!!

This is exactly the kind of counter culture conditioning I find hilarious within the conspiracy culture. It's like some people have to become a follower or indoctrinator of something and in conspiracies it's mushrooms and Bill Hicks for fucks sake!

I'm not discouraging anyone from taking Mushrooms...I just wonder how many people honestly believe that you increase the percentage you use your brain after each trip.

But obviously I am closed minded and a Yuppy because I couldn't possibly give psychodelics a good chance over years and then give my honest opinion on them in retrospect.
:rolleyes:

[razed1]

LOL, burn all heratics!!! They defile the sacntity of the legacy of sacred plants!!!

This is exactly the kind of counter culture conditioning I find hilarious within the conspiracy culture. It's like some people have to become a follower or indoctrinator of something and in conspiracies it's mushrooms and Bill Hicks for fucks sake!

I'm not discouraging anyone from taking Mushrooms...I just wonder how many people honestly believe that you increase the percentage you use your brain after each trip.

But obviously I am closed minded and a Yuppy because I couldn't possibly give psychodelics a good chance over years and then give my honest opinion on them in retrospect.

no its not, your too wapred by ideas and images from hollywood, you dont what the word 'sanctity' even means

and you keep expecting you brain capacity to increase, or you IQ, from doing mushrooms

wtf are goin on about?? who gave you these impressions?

[thirdwave]

You just don't get it do you. :rolleyes:

awwww bless...

[chris]

no its not, your too wapred by ideas and images from hollywood, you dont what the word 'sanctity' even means

Ad hominem all you want.

and you keep expecting you brain capacity to increase, or you IQ, from doing mushrooms

wtf are goin on about?? who gave you these impressions?

Well seeing as mushroom advorcates say that ingesting them helps people enlighten dormant areas of the brain so naturally your IQ should increase.

Studies have shown that IQ's increase by 10 points while on LSD so my point has a basis. If people should permantly recover unconscious parts of their brain through psychodelics then naturally their IQ should permantly increase. I take it from your answer that it doesn't...

What's the point of doing them if they don't help your intellect long term while off them? (other than to trip out for a while).

[eternal_spirit]

no its not, your too wapred by ideas and images from hollywood, you dont what the word 'sanctity' even means

and you keep expecting you brain capacity to increase, or you IQ, from doing mushrooms

wtf are goin on about?? who gave you these impressions?

..........................

How many times do you see people type here or in books about those who promote drugs.....It will expand your mind and help you uses the 98% of the subconcious mind etc blah. So, if you believe that ( hmmm you may thing you're dumb for only using 2% of your mind ) So, the answer must be to take lot's of drugs to gain intelligence and extra sensory powers or whatever, because it's a popular missconception and myth peddled around by too many people.

There's a condition known as drug induced schizophrenia from taking to many psychedelics, which can leave someone in that state for the rest of their lives, also it can cause temporary shcizoid states, which can last for hours up to weeks and even years.

So, it's not always as good as it's made out to be.

[razed1]

Ad hominem all you want.



Well seeing as mushroom advorcates say that ingesting them helps people enlighten dormant areas of the brain so naturally your IQ should increase.

Studies have shown that IQ's increase by 10 points while on LSD so my point has a basis. If people should permantly recover unconscious parts of their brain through psychodelics then naturally their IQ should permantly increase. I take it from your answer that it doesn't...

What's the point of doing them if they don't help your intellect long term while off them? (other than to trip out for a while).


so you just want to do these things becuase you are looking for your personal gain and want to increase you intelligent quotient, a test created by this system which measures how much of a left brained prisoner you really are??

you make me sick :mad:

[razed1]

..........................

How many times do you see people type here or in books about those who promote drugs.....It will expand your mind and help you uses the 98% of the subconcious mind etc blah. So, if you believe that ( hmmm you may thing you're dumb for only using 2% of your mind ) So, the answer must be to take lot's of drugs to gain intelligence and extra sensory powers or whatever, because it's a popular missconception and myth peddled around by too many people.

There's a condition known as drug induced schizophrenia from taking to many psychedelics, which can leave someone in that state for the rest of their lives, also it can cause temporary shcizoid states, which can last for hours up to weeks and even years.

So, it's not always as good as it's made out to be.

you keep playing the fool's role, somebody has to, at least you are proud to be a damn FOO!

[eternal_spirit]

you keep playing the fool's role, somebody has to, at least you are proud to be a damn FOO!
.....................

Anyone reading this thread can see you're the fool you brotherhood tool.

Go do your homework on Culture creators.

[razed1]

thats why these culture creators ahve made psychedelics readily available from your corner drug store and average street drug dealer,

but uplifting drugs likes crack,cocain, heroine, alcohol is really hard to come by???

is that about right??

[iro_]

This is the audiobook (read brilliantly by terence) and the .pdf of True Hallucinations - his account of his first journey into the Amazon in search of psychedelics. The accounts detailed herein are fucking incredible... elven machine men speaking in geometry and all! i recommend this to everyone interested in consciousness and evolution, UFO's and modern culture.

I felt compelled to share this as the book is barely in print any more and the audio book is long since deceased since the death of cassette tape. I grabbed it off a very badly seeded torrent, took over 11 days to drip down the wire, so rather than give the torrent here's a rapidshare link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/82141296/Terence_McKenna_-_True_Hallucinations__audio_book_and_ebook_.rar.ht ml

try your luck with the torrent if you'd prefer:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3927979/Terence_McKenna_-_True_Hallucinations_(audio_book_and_ebook)


Utterly enchanting. A modern classic.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DNAYYRFNL._SS500_.jpg
review here:
http://www.enlightenment.com/media/bookrevs/truehalu.html

just in case anyone missed this in the midst of the arguing.
:cool:

[thirdwave]

I took LCD and it expanded my mind big time... it presented me a much bigger picture of reality....

However, I don't think its wise to do it lots as it can soon start to do the opposite.

anyone who says that LCD or other similar drugs does not expand your mind has either not done it before... or is lying.

Because anyone who does it will see that it does. It is in fact a scientific fact that it makes a large % of your brain more responsive than normal...

ES, as usual you are casting fear and negativity over everything you don't understand...

and as usual talking down on anything that creates a road too or highlights anything out side of the five sense reality.

[eternal_spirit]

thats why these culture creators ahve made psychedelics readily available from your corner drug store and average street drug dealer,

but uplifting drugs likes crack,cocain, heroine, alcohol is really hard to come by???

is that about right??
...................................

halluconegenics have been used in religious worship to induce trances and visions since year dot. Hey is that God speaking is that an angel or a demon I see in the Temple?

Is it a priest hiding behind the altar throwing his voice? Is it a hypnotist who gave me post hypnotic visions?

We all ready know the CIA or intelligence agencies mass produced LSD in the 60's. You can buy legal psychedelics from shops or by mail order.

Could it be that some people who have powers decide to make naturaly growing plants illegal, because too many people where going crazy? and becoming dysfunctional in society due to this...

Oh how I blaspheme, just consider it that's all I'm saying, it's not so easy to know what's a set upand fake or a true spiritual psychedelic experience.

Good luck if you can find pure natural substances and a true experience.

[rossus]

so you just want to do these things becuase you are looking for your personal gain and want to increase you intelligent quotient, a test created by this system which measures how much of a left brained prisoner you really are??
i am sure you use them for personal gain also.
or are you using mushrooms to feed the hungry and defend all the victims of this system?
your probably using them to feel COMPLETE... and there's nothing really wrong with that.
cause all beings want to feel complete, and try to use the methods we think is best.



terrence mckenna openly advocated a lifestyle of Getting high & having sex,
to keep the people peaceful :p
there's many people like that nowadays, getting high.. talking about happiness and enlightenment,
unfortunately the typically psychedelic induced feeling of "profound wisdom",
disapears as the psylocybin/LSD leaves the brain.

and more than often their happiness and "love" only last as long as the high of the drug http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

you make me sick :mad:
see, i'm not sure what kind of experiences you have had on psychedelics...
but quite possibly you may have experienced very profound Wisdom and Unconditional love.

a couple of posts before you tell people how much "deceived by their own ego" they are,
but then you go on making statements like that.


as i said earlier, i don't think psychedelics are bad...
cause i have had several experiences of strong pure unconditional love which could be described as "having reached the top of the mountain"....
but when the experience was over, i was again fooling around at the foot of the mountain...
stuck in world of illusion, duality and lack of love.

if it was not for the fact, that many people who use psychedelics:
do not experience "pure unconditional love" on them...
do not change for the better afterwards...
turn out to change for worse... or experience extreme negative reactions on them which can lead to permanent problems...
then i would still be recommending them to everyone like i used to :)

[thetonic]

i am sure you use them for personal gain also.
or are you using mushrooms to feed the hungry and defend all the victims of this system?
your probably using them to feel COMPLETE... and there's nothing really wrong with that.
cause all beings want to feel complete, and try to use the methods we think is best.



terrence mckenna openly advocated a lifestyle of Getting high & having sex,
to keep the people peaceful :p
there's many people like that nowadays, getting high.. talking about happiness and enlightenment,
unfortunately the typically psychedelic induced feeling of "profound wisdom",
disapears as the psylocybin/LSD leaves the brain.

and more than often their happiness and "love" only last as long as the high of the drug http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

truth

[chris]

so you just want to do these things becuase you are looking for your personal gain and want to increase you intelligent quotient, a test created by this system which measures how much of a left brained prisoner you really are??

you make me sick :mad:

It's so funny popping someones bubble like that that they have to go down these stupid arguments like "I am just looking for personal gain..." What kind of argument is that? Just because I think Mushrooms are extremely overated and those that defend them so zealously are extremely delusional makes me selfish for wanting to get something out of a psychodelic experience? If I didn't want anything from a psychodelic experience, why would I have one in the first place?

I was just using the IQ thing as a barometer. If you believe that psychodelics increase your consciousness then everything should increase incluing IQ...

anyone who says that LCD or other similar drugs does not expand your mind has either not done it before... or is lying.

It does expand them to an extent but it doesn't mean that what you see is the truth...But what I am laughing at is the philosophy that when you get off the said drug you mind is more enlightened than it was previously without detrimental effects. This is very naive.

[chris]

i am sure you use them for personal gain also.
or are you using mushrooms to feed the hungry and defend all the victims of this system?

LOL

your probably using them to feel COMPLETE... and there's nothing really wrong with that.
cause all beings want to feel complete, and try to use the methods we think is best.



terrence mckenna openly advocated a lifestyle of Getting high & having sex,
to keep the people peaceful :p
there's many people like that nowadays, getting high.. talking about happiness and enlightenment,
unfortunately the typically psychedelic induced feeling of "profound wisdom",
disapears as the psylocybin/LSD leaves the brain.

and more than often their happiness and "love" only last as long as the high of the drug http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

Thanks Rossus, well put.

[razed1]

i am sure you use them for personal gain also.
or are you using mushrooms to feed the hungry and defend all the victims of this system?
your probably using them to feel COMPLETE... and there's nothing really wrong with that.
cause all beings want to feel complete, and try to use the methods we think is best.



terrence mckenna openly advocated a lifestyle of Getting high & having sex,
to keep the people peaceful :p
there's many people like that nowadays, getting high.. talking about happiness and enlightenment,
unfortunately the typically psychedelic induced feeling of "profound wisdom",
disapears as the psylocybin/LSD leaves the brain.

and more than often their happiness and "love" only last as long as the high of the drug http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

desires born out selfish gain, like how chris was asking 'whats the point in doint them' if he doesnt get some permanent brain expansion or his IQ goes up 50 pts, this is not a good thing

so this is not the same thing to what your alluding to

nothing wrong with having sex and enjoying things, but if the only reason you are doing them is for your own personal well being and who cares about other ppl, let alone the state of nature, then you are doing it for the wrongs reasons

youre mixing up ideas, and i find most ppl dont think things through

and wisdom doesnt leave your brain when the chemicals leave your brain, how do you figure that??

jsut cause the 'trip' is over doesnt mean that the experience was worth nothing

[chris]

jsut cause the 'trip' is over doesnt mean that the experience was worth nothing

It's like going on Safari, you get to see some sites but it doesn't make you Tarzan. If that's all you want out of them then why defend them so badly?

Most people that get all sensative on this issue think that "Mushrooms are the evolutions accelorator button" as Bill Hicks put it.

Tell me Razed1, what do you get out of Mushrooms? (I know you'll probably try to avoid this question with an ad hominem like "Your too stupid to understand")...

[razed1]

see, i'm not sure what kind of experiences you have had on psychedelics...
but quite possibly you may have experienced very profound Wisdom and Unconditional love.

a couple of posts before you tell people how much "deceived by their own ego" they are,
but then you go on making statements like that.




see theres a whole bunch of ppl masquerading around like they love everything and unconditional love , and somehow you have reached your plateau,

your whole unconditional love is a corrupted teaching that you have gotten,

not all things deserve unconditional love,

you are not any wiser than this chris is, you ppl think you have acheived some 'oneness' and this means that you just say you love everything and SAY you are one with the universe LOL

whats wrong with me saying that this chris makes me sick??

why do you assume that this a negative statement?? unlike some ppl i dont prefer to live in mental cobwebs, if i feel like something, ill say it,

what chris is saying is born out of ignorance, and what you are saying is not real wisdom, but thats a whole nother topic,

i feel drained trying to explain these things to you ppl who have closed off their reasoning and just want nice wamr fuzzys all the time

[razed1]

It's like going on Safari, you get to see some sites but it doesn't make you Tarzan. If that's all you want out of them then why defend them so badly?

Most people that get all sensative on this issue think that "Mushrooms are the evolutions accelorator button" as Bill Hicks put it.

Tell me Razed1, what do you get out of Mushrooms? (I know you'll probably try to avoid this question with an ad hominem like "Your too stupid to understand")...

you feel no love in your heart, you are a shell of a person, an empty casket,

and these topics of psychedelic experience, whats the point in trying to explain them to ppl who have no desire to know the truth?

[lizzy]

Mark Riebling -- Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent?

* "Tinker, Tailor, Stoner, Spy: Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent? .... April 13, 1953: CIA launches Operation MK/ULTRA, a major drug and mind-control program. ..."
www.markriebling.com/leary.html (http://www.markriebling.com/leary.html)

3. TIMOTHY LEARY AND THE CIA

* "The CIA memo directed agents to contact Leary and company, who were then .... He started by congratulating me for breaking the CIA-mind control story. ..."
www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/tlcia.html (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/tlcia.html)

4. MIND CONTROL

* "The Mind Control Forum - a library of readings against the mind control ... Leary's wife Rosemary didn't want to deal with the CIA agent who sprang them ..."
www.mindcontrolforums.com/gottlieb-mindcontrol.htm (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gottlieb-mindcontrol.htm)

5. doctrine wars: MK ULTRA : Operation Mind Control For World Government

* "Timothy Leary was recruited around 1947-48 by CIA agent Cord Meyer, when Leary and Meyer were ..... Scottish TV Documentary on CIA MIND CONTROL Satanist DR. ..."
doctrinewars.blogspot.com/2008/01/mk-ultra-operation-mind-control-for.html

6. Links to Documents Concerning the CIA

* "Was Timothy Leary a CIA Agent? Was JFK the "Manchurian Candidate"? ... Jon Rappoport: CIA Experiments with Mind Control on Children ..."
www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_lynx.html (http://www.serendipity.li/cia/cia_lynx.html)

7. Timothy Leary

* "Her words kept repeating in my mind. (3) Timothy Leary, Flashbacks (1983) ... Why was the fact that Cord Meyer Jr. was a top CIA agent covered up in the ..."
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlearyT.htm (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKlearyT.htm)

8. Alex Jones Pat Buchanan CIA Agents of Continued Project Mockingbird

* "Being that Pat Buchanan was a major player in the CIA playing mind control ... During the Braden-Buchanan years, LSD guru Timothy Leary told a reporter that ..."
www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm (http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm)

9. Leary Admitted CIA Involvement? - [tmbchr]™

* "The CIA had created the “Psychedelic Sixties” with Timothy Leary’s help? ... agent since 1962, understanding that the next war for control of this planet ..."
www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/leary-admitted-cia-involvement/ (http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/10/leary-admitted-cia-involvement/)

10. savethemales.ca - The CIA Created the Drug Culture

* "30 Apr 2005 ... If not a CIA agent, Reibling makes a convincing case that Leary was ..... the Tavistock Institute and the Beatles, mind control and the CIA. ..."
www.savethemales.ca/000907.html (http://www.savethemales.ca/000907.html)

11. What do you think of Timothy Leary? - People Forum - Hip Forums

* "The CIA had created the “Psychedelic Sixties” with Timothy Leary’s help? .... now convinced that Leary was a pawn and acid LSD for mind-control. personally, ..."
www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288894&page=1 (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288894&page=1)

12. History House: LSD and the CIA

* "Before Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey, the CIA used marijuana and LSD in an effort to create mind-control drugs. This initially sober research turned into a ..."
www.historyhouse.com/in_history/lsd/ (http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/lsd/)

13. The Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson Show « Skunks’s Weblog

* "Society is based on the control and direction of socio-sexual behavior. ... Just when you thought you had it all figured out: Was Leary a CIA agent? ..."
skunks.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-timothy-leary-and-robert-anton-wilson-show/

14. CIA Shrinks and LSD

* "Leary's wife Rosemary didn't want to deal with the CIA agent who sprang them from ... was a volunteer in mind-control experiments sponsored by the CIA at ..."
www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/ciashrinks.html)

15. fUSION Anomaly. Timothy Leary

* "by Timothy Leary & Liquid Mind. samples: "now, energy becomes... here it is... nameless... .... "it was the CIA and the military that brought internal link ..."
fusionanomaly.net/timothyleary.html

16. Susie Bright's Journal : You Get the Timothy Leary You Deserve

* "Shortly before his death, Timothy Leary was asked about Richard Nixon calling him ... population by the CIA to see how it worked as a mind-control agent. ..."
susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2006/08/you_get_the_tim.html

17. Timothy Leary - Wikiquote

* "Timothy Leary's track on Sound Bites from the Counter Culture (1989). That’s the left wing of the CIA debating the right wing of the CIA. ..."
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary

18. SHADOW 39 A Game of Mind Tennis with Timothy Leary

* "A GAME OF MIND TENNIS WITH TIMOTHY LEARY. By Paul Krassner. Timothy_Leary. On May 31, Timothy Leary died at the age of 75. In August 1995, about a week ..."
mediafilter.org/MFF/S39/S39.Leary.html

19. Conspiracies, Conspiracies Everywhere

* "The CIA Created The Drug Culture My Weekend with Timothy Leary ... If not a CIA agent, Reibling makes a compelling case that Leary was their dupe. ..."
www.rense.com/general64/theCIAcreatedthedrug.htm (http://www.rense.com/general64/theCIAcreatedthedrug.htm)

20. LSD Lecture

* "CIA mind-control experiments with LSD. Fear of mind control gap in ... 5) Timothy Leary. 1968 Leary ran for CA governor saying he’d camp on lawn & let ..."
ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Science--Technology--and-Society/STS-062JSpring-2006/86FCFA09-222E-472F-8267-6882E53269FB/0/lsd_lecture.pdf


Good links, ES.:)

I am glad if some of you think that your minds have become more expansive with psychedelics.

But I don't see it as any defense against what the NWO intend to do to it next.:eek:

[rossus]

so this is not the same thing to what your alluding to
i don't agree, but let's leave it at that.
and wisdom doesnt leave your brain when the chemicals leave your brain, how do you figure that??
terence mckenna states so himself that this profound "dimension" can only be experienced through the use of psychedelic.

if the wisdom or feeling of "completeness" wouldn't leave you,
then why the need to take the psychedelics again (and again and again) :)

jsut cause the 'trip' is over doesnt mean that the experience was worth nothing
i'm not saying it's worth nothing,
i'm just saying they are not everything.

for me, the reason i've quit using them is because the "top of the mountain" is only temporary...
i want to be on top of it permanently...

even though i think without my psychedelic experiences and the way i changed after using them,
i might now be a really closeminded depressed "sheep"...

i feel as if abstaining from drugs and psychedelics for 2 years now,
and doing the "sober" (meditative) path instead...
has helped me to become stronger and feel strong permanent happiness (love) inside heart...

where as when i would have continued using them this might have not been possible,
because i would keep "running back"...

so i'm not saying psychedelics are bad,
or using them again and again is bad,
or even that "being sober and meditative" is better...

i'm not making statements like that at all,
i'm just saying that i don't think psychedelics are "all that" :)

[chris]

you feel no love in your heart, you are a shell of a person, an empty casket,

and these topics of psychedelic experience, whats the point in trying to explain them to ppl who have no desire to know the truth?

Like I said, you will make an excuse to avoid that question...:rolleyes:

[thetonic]

desires born out selfish gain, like how chris was asking 'whats the point in doint them' if he doesnt get some permanent brain expansion or his IQ goes up 50 pts, this is not a good thing

so this is not the same thing to what your alluding to

nothing wrong with having sex and enjoying things, but if the only reason you are doing them is for your own personal well being and who cares about other ppl, let alone the state of nature, then you are doing it for the wrongs reasons

youre mixing up ideas, and i find most ppl dont think things through

and wisdom doesnt leave your brain when the chemicals leave your brain, how do you figure that??

jsut cause the 'trip' is over doesnt mean that the experience was worth nothing

You are backing yourself into a tighter corner every post. Reality as we know it is not all warm and fuzzy feelings . Far too many people get this image in their head while doing psychedelics that the world is just so easy and loving. This is a mistake . You are taking for granted so many peoples hardships its not funny , its not fuzzy, its weak and pathetic...

People need to stop living in a hallucinagenic bubble and wake up to the fact that they are deluding themselves in very heavy handed ways.

If you want to take a hallucinogen , fine, take it and enjoy the experience . But dont expect to find all the answers to lifes questions and be able to dictate what is reality and what is not.

When you are on drugs you change your vibrational frequency to a different level. Different drugs do different things to the body. But they all will make you vibrate at a frequency that is alternate to the natural state of humankind.

[thirdwave]

...................................

halluconegenics have been used in religious worship to induce trances and visions since year dot. Hey is that God speaking is that an angel or a demon I see in the Temple?

Is it a priest hiding behind the altar throwing his voice? Is it a hypnotist who gave me post hypnotic visions?

We all ready know the CIA or intelligence agencies mass produced LSD in the 60's. You can buy legal psychedelics from shops or by mail order.

Could it be that some people who have powers decide to make naturaly growing plants illegal, because too many people where going crazy? and becoming dysfunctional in society due to this...

Oh how I blaspheme, just consider it that's all I'm saying, it's not so easy to know what's a set upand fake or a true spiritual psychedelic experience.

Good luck if you can find pure natural substances and a true experience.

they are always trying to change laws and put a stop to those drugs being sold...

the CIA did create ACID for money.... so do other sources... the CIA also tried to put a stop to Aya spreading around as the people who done it used to get over addiction more easy...

ACID is not the best one to do.... as its man made... but it still works.

[razed1]

You are backing yourself into a tighter corner every post. Reality as we know it is not all warm and fuzzy feelings . Far too many people get this image in their head while doing psychedelics that the world is just so easy and loving. This is a mistake . You are taking for granted so many peoples hardships its not funny , its not fuzzy, its weak and pathetic...

People need to stop living in a hallucinagenic bubble and wake up to the fact that they are deluding themselves in very heavy handed ways.

If you want to take a hallucinogen , fine, take it and enjoy the experience . But dont expect to find all the answers to lifes questions and be able to dictate what is reality and what is not.

When you are on drugs you change your vibrational frequency to a different level. Different drugs do different things to the body. But they all will make you vibrate at a frequency that is alternate to the natural state of humankind.


im not backing myself into anything (dont get mad cause your 'e-buddys' aint making sense), but what your saying in your first paragraph is essentially true, however, you seem to take this word "hallucinegen" too literally

just cause mainstream science has deemed these plants as "hallucinogens" doesnt mean that they make you hallucinate aritficial things, these plants actually lift the veil that keeps your ego trapped,

you shouldn't jump to conclusions on things you nothin about

[rossus]

...masquerading around... somehow you have reached your plateau
:p
your whole unconditional love is a corrupted teaching that you have gotten,
not all things deserve unconditional love
then you must have different experiences on psychedelics than i used to have.
you ppl think you have acheived some 'oneness' and this means that you just say you love everything and SAY you are one with the universe LOL
i don't think i have achieved "oneness", in fact i don't really like using the word "oneness" at all because it is seems to have become a term that people try to understand with the mind, which is practically impossible.

because to speak words... that requires identification with thoughts,
so the "me" is born... and also "not-me" (others)...

instead of saying "i am one",
it's much more effective to stop thinking in terms of "me" and "mine" and "others",
this helps prevent the "me vs. you"-drama you seem to be displaying.
whats wrong with me saying that this chris makes me sick??
what good does it do?

[razed1]

terence mckenna states so himself that this profound "dimension" can only be experienced through the use of psychedelic.



well yea, who said that you should be experiencing that dimension all the time??? why dont you realize that maybe your not ready for that epxerience yet, you still have a lot to learn, before you go one thinking about living in other dimensions, be thankful thank nature has given you a venue to get a glimpse into this higher state of being, but dont think that you are entitled to this...

i'm not saying it's worth nothing,
i'm just saying they are not everything.

for me, the reason i've quit using them is because the "top of the mountain" is only temporary...
i want to be on top of it permanently...

so who told you this idea that you should be shooting to the top of the mountain, without having to climb it? yes the psychedelic gave you a view on what its like up there, but you seem to skip the part about you having to EARN that right

even though i think without my psychedelic experiences and the way i changed after using them,
i might now be a really closeminded depressed "sheep"...

i feel as if abstaining from drugs and psychedelics for 2 years now,
and doing the "sober" (meditative) path instead...
has helped me to become stronger and feel strong permanent happiness (love) inside heart...

no youve just been punishing yourself unnecessarily, on one hand your saying that theres nothing wrong with enjoying yourself and all that, and then on the other hand you have been abstaining from something that shouldnt be done regularily anyway,

where as when i would have continued using them this might have not been possible,
because i would keep "running back"...

so i'm not saying psychedelics are bad,
or using them again and again is bad,
or even that "being sober and meditative" is better...

i'm not making statements like that at all,
i'm just saying that i don't think psychedelics are "all that

nature is what it is, either you can live in flow with it or not, no one is gonna come to your rescue

[razed1]

what good does it do?

LOL it lets chris know that whatever hes saying, someone out there disagrees a whole lot!

[thetonic]

im not backing myself into anything (dont get mad cause your 'e-buddys' aint making sense), but what your saying in your first paragraph is essentially true, however, you seem to take this word "hallucinegen" too literally

just cause mainstream science has deemed these plants as "hallucinogens" doesnt mean that they make you hallucinate aritficial things, these plants actually lift the veil that keeps your ego trapped,

you shouldn't jump to conclusions on things you nothin about

who are these e-buddies? and when will they come and rescue me? lol.

When i say hallucinogen it is only a generalized reference to drugs in mass. Most drugs i do consider to have hallucinogenic properties. They alter your mind, cause a skip in your disk, open a closed thread. However you want to look at it... therefore inducing a "hallucination" onto the program you are interacting with.

I know plenty about hallucinogens my friend .. You are the one making veiled conclusions about others, not me.. So i guess it is time to re-up and go on your trip down fantasy lane

[rossus]

LOL it lets chris know that whatever hes saying, someone out there disagrees a whole lot!
i'm not sure if you're a terrence mckenna fan or just a psychedelic fan,
but in the speech i listened to yesterday from terence mckenna...

there he actually said the same thing that the "me vs. you" ego-thing is quite ridicilous,
instead of create more diversion why not just treat eachother with love and respect..

one universe, one planet, one family?
i guess i'm going to have to leave our conversation at that, because we don't seem to be going anywhere.

[razed1]

who are these e-buddies? and when will they come and rescue me? lol.

When i say hallucinogen it is only a generalized reference to drugs in mass. Most drugs i do consider to have hallucinogenic properties. They alter your mind, cause a skip in your disk, open a closed thread. However you want to look at it... therefore inducing a "hallucination" onto the program you are interacting with.

I know plenty about hallucinogens my friend .. You are the one making veiled conclusions about others, not me.. So i guess it is time to re-up and go on your trip down fantasy lane

no you dont, stop trying to act cool on the INTERNETS

[thetonic]

no you dont, stop trying to act cool on the INTERNETS

Stop telling people what they do and dont know.. It is a very unbecoming trait. If you continue to adopt it , then I can do nothing for you.

[auron]

A quick question for all.

Why are psilocybin containing mushrooms on the planet, and what is their purpose?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/12.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/112.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/sss.jpg

:D

[auron]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9704/axehoundsmallanimatedgxdh3.gif

[farros]

A quick question for all.

Why are psilocybin containing mushrooms on the planet, and what is their purpose?



:D

To show us what we should work to percieve naturally

[thirdwave]

A quick question for all.

Why are psilocybin containing mushrooms on the planet, and what is their purpose?

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/12.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/112.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/oscagu/sss.jpg

:D

exactly....

[thirdwave]

To show us what we should work to percieve naturally

exactly...

[rossus]

A quick question for all.
why are extremely poisonous mushrooms and likewise plants on this planet,
and what is their purpose? http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

[thirdwave]

why are extremely poisonous mushrooms and likewise plants on this planet,
and what is their purpose? http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif

Hu?

they are not poisonous at all, they do 0 damage to the body.... and in fact some natural drugs are good for the body and can help arthritis.

Poison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[auron]

why are extremely poisonous mushrooms and likewise plants on this planet,
and what is their purpose? http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l116/ofioliti/MINI/shy_teehee.gif
:rolleyes:

[auron]

Psychedelics may be the most amazing substances known to humanity. Some are so potent that just 1/10,000th of a gram can send one on a journey beyond time and space, beyond life and death. Here the psychedelic voyager can unlock and experience the collective evolutionary consciousness of billions of years past and an infinite future. He can transcend the body, the personality, and view his mind from undreamed-of perspectives. He can experience supersensory and extrasensory perception, choose from an infinite variety of "realities," and permanently change his experience of life. - The Essential Psychedelic Guide

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/44781/2005744706552879408_rs.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/images/archive/mushrooms_stone2.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/images/archive/mushrooms_stone3.jpg

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/images/archive/mushrooms_stone4.jpg

http://physics.lunet.edu/~snow/stone.gif

[rossus]

:rolleyes:
:D
Hu?

they are not poisonous at all, they do 0 damage to the body.... and in fact some natural drugs are good for the body and can help arthritis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison
i know that my friend, i didn't mean psilocybin mushrooms... but regular poisonous (deadly) plants and mushrooms.
i was just responding his question with a new question.

ofcourse the easy answer to his question is "nature made it to "help" us..."
but if nature makes thing to help us, then why does it also make things to "hurt" us?


you see, i'm not convinced nature made psylocybin for us to trip on,
maybe it's just coincidence that the structure of it is so similar to serotonin
that it fits perfectly in our brain's serotonin receptors to send us on a "trip".

[auron]

then why does it also make things to hurt us?
Fuck knows. Eugenics? :D

[auron]

you see, i'm not convinced nature made psylocybin for us to trip on,
maybe it's just coincidence that the structure of it is so similar to serotonin
that it fits perfectly in our brain's serotonin receptors to send us on a "trip".
http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/30231/2004066434104292536_rs.jpg

[auron]

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3729/infinitymotivationalne9.jpg

[razed1]

it real hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

[danucrom]

it real hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

You need to do your homework. Do your homework.

http://www.bretlueder.com/TSARPIC.JPG

:rolleyes:

[razed1]

*hugs*, thank you jordan, see you later....

[razed1]

You need to do your homework. Do your homework.

http://www.bretlueder.com/TSARPIC.JPG

:rolleyes:


even though i made the joke

but you must realize, you are still ignorant to the truth :D

[danucrom]

even though i made the joke

but you must realize, you are still ignorant to the truth :D


Indeed:rolleyes:. Next you will call me a yuppy.

[razed1]

like i said, thank you jordan, see you later

[chris]

Indeed:rolleyes:. Next you will call me a yuppy.

Your an ignorant Yuppy because I said so.

[razed1]

a bunch of ignorant ppl who have nothing more to say other than little snickering jokes, its a pathetic site

anybody with any sense can see this thread, and see how ignorant your posts are "chris"

[danucrom]

a bunch of ignorant ppl who have nothing more to say other than little snickering jokes, its a pathetic site

anybody with any sense can see this thread, and see how ignorant your posts are "chris"

No need to throw your toys out of your pram.

[razed1]

you are one miserable chick

[chris]

a bunch of ignorant ppl who have nothing more to say other than little snickering jokes, its a pathetic site

anybody with any sense can see this thread, and see how ignorant your posts are "chris"

What's funny is that I don't really anything against Terrance McKenna nor Mushrooms. I just find people funny that think Mushrooms are Jesus and think those that defend McKenna to the point of obsession are delusional.

[razed1]

you just thought you would come in this thread and sling your shit and nobody would say anything, well waht needs to be defended SHOULD be defended, i kno a prick like you, has no idea of what is honour, for those who are passed on, someone has to defend their great work

and terrence mckenna's great work is monolith in front your garbage musings,

[razed1]

and go read the book "sacred mushroom and the cross" by john allegro, I HAVE, and try and figure why the church suppresed his work for decades

[pilgrim]

a bunch of ignorant ppl who have nothing more to say other than little snickering jokes, its a pathetic site

anybody with any sense can see this thread, and see how ignorant your posts are "chris"

Well, I must have some sense because i can see this thread.
But, I must have no sense because I think chris's posts are informed & intelligent.
Who needs psychedelics, when you've got paradoxes like that to consider!

I won't comment on razed1's posts because if he gets any more annoyed, he might take it out on a defenceless child or animal! :eek:
Take a look: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=326934&postcount=78

BTW. Apparantly, i am brainwashed and a whore because razed1 said so. :rolleyes:

[chris]

you just thought you would come in this thread and sling your shit and nobody would say anything, well waht needs to be defended SHOULD be defended, i kno a prick like you, has no idea of what is honour, for those who are passed on, someone has to defend their great work

and terrence mckenna's great work is monolith in front your garbage musings,

What part of his scribblings are original? NONE.

Seriously, I'm not that much of a critique of him...I'm just being honest and you keep provoking me into saying more. I apologise to the people that started this thread, it's a good datasource of his work and I do not wish to stop anyone unfamiliar with his work to use their own discernment and see for yourself. I can imagine anyone new to McKenna reading this post will be quite disappointed when they see how lukewarm his teachings are, by the nature of this post, they would probably be expecting him to be some wild farout philosopher. Not the case, he's pretty much an old rag recycling the remnants of the Indian fad of the 60s and psychedelic shamanism. However, His books do contain nice illustrations.

[razed1]

your just ignorant to the core

beleive whatever you wish, just know that i had to correct you

one day youll think back at laugh at yourself

[supertzar]

It is now very clear that techniques of machine-human interfacing, pharmacology of the synthetic variety, all kinds of manipulative techniques, all kinds of data storage, imaging and retrieval techniques– all of this is coalescing toward the potential of a truly demonic or angelic kind of self-imaging of our culture... And the people who are on the demonic side are fully aware of this and hurrying full-tilt forward with their plans to capture everyone as a 100% believing consumer inside some kind of a beige furnished fascism that won't even raise a ripple.

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[pilgrim]

Bill Faill: How about drugs? Can they help in the process of God realization?

Srila Prabhupada: If drugs could help God realization, then drugs would be more powerful than God. How can we accept that? Drugs are chemical substances, which are material. How can something material help one realize God, who is all-spiritual? It is impossible. What one experiences from taking drugs is simply a kind of intoxication or hallucination; it is not God realization.

http://yoga.krishna.org/Articles/2000/09/00119.html

[supertzar]

Bill Faill: How about drugs? Can they help in the process of God realization?

Srila Prabhupada: If drugs could help God realization, then drugs would be more powerful than God. How can we accept that? Drugs are chemical substances, which are material. How can something material help one realize God, who is all-spiritual? It is impossible. What one experiences from taking drugs is simply a kind of intoxication or hallucination; it is not God realization.

http://yoga.krishna.org/Articles/2000/09/00119.html

This is the kind of "wise old man" wisdom Terrence criticized. As if there are no physiological (material) changes in the body resulting from yoga or meditation that may help one to realize God? We even have endogenous cannabinoids and a substance very similar to DMT produced by our own bodies.

[supertzar]

What part of his scribblings are original? NONE.

What would you consider original?

[chris]

As if there are no physiological (material) changes in the body resulting from yoga or meditation that may help one to realize God? We even have endogenous cannabinoids and a substance very similar to DMT produced by our own bodies.

Good point but the question I am posing is...By taking mushrooms, will it spur your brain on to create these products naturally in your brain? Mushrooms don't even have the naturally forming psychoactive substances such as dmt or thc, it only has close chemical constructs.

[pilgrim]

This is the kind of "wise old man" wisdom Terrence criticized. As if there are no physiological (material) changes in the body resulting from yoga or meditation that may help one to realize God? We even have endogenous cannabinoids and a substance very similar to DMT produced by our own bodies.

Our bodies & bodily chemicals are also material.

[chris]

What would you consider original?

Well I would be happy if he just had semi-original philosophies but they are mostly boring rehashed eastern philosophies which anyone starting out on the spiritual path will bump into first as I did.

[supertzar]

How is it Eastern philosophy? I have read several books by Terrence and I wouldn't say that at all. Can you give quotes to support this statement?

[supertzar]

Our bodies & bodily chemicals are also material.

That is my point. According to Srila Prabhupada's statement, it should be impossible for a human being with a physical body to realize God, since we are material.

[pilgrim]

That is my point. According to Srila Prabhupada's statement, it should be impossible for a human being with a physical body to realize God, since we are material.
Our bodies are temporary, material vehicles, but WE are Eternal, Spiritual Consciousness.

[supertzar]

Good point but the question I am posing is...By taking mushrooms, will it spur your brain on to create these products naturally in your brain?

I don't think so. I don't know if it is of consequence whether the brain makes the chemicals or not. In Terrence's view the mushrooms represent an intelligence that is symbiotic with humanity. We provide the cow pastures and homegrowing environments and the mushrooms reward us with enlightening experiences.

[supertzar]

Our bodies are temporary vehicles & material, but WE are Eternal, Spiritual Consciousness.

But as long as we are hampered by having a body, it must be impossible to know God, according to S.P.? He says How can something material help one realize God, who is all-spiritual?

Better forget about yoga or taking care of the body at all, for that matter, since it is material.

[chris]

I don't think so. I don't know if it is of consequence whether the brain makes the chemicals or not. In Terrence's view the mushrooms represent an intelligence that is symbiotic with humanity. We provide the cow pastures and homegrowing environments and the mushrooms reward us with enlightening experiences.

Well from a physiological and neurological standpoint (by no means the final word) of work done on Zen monks, they have found that their brain makeup is a lot different than that of average people. So unless your talking about an enlightenment which does not consist of more high brain chemicals and neurological pathways being produced, then it wouldn't have much of a long term effect.

If your just talking about Mushrooms being a thing you can do to temporarily make you see things from a different perspective for a short period of time then you certainly have a point although if it were the case then I don't understand why people flip out when I point out that they are pretty overrated. Perhaps they should do mushrooms and think of a good comeback:)

[supertzar]

I have long term effects from using psychedelics and they are all desireable, so perhaps my nervous system has been activated by them in a lasting way.

[pilgrim]

But as long as we are hampered by having a body, it must be impossible to know God, according to S.P.? He says

Better forget about yoga or taking care of the body at all, for that matter, since it is material.
Sorry for the cut'n'paste but i cannot type well and this explains my point:

Importance of the Human Form of Life

There are many forms of life on this planet. There are immovable forms such as trees and plants, and a vast array of aquatic, insect, bird, beast, and mammalian forms as well. Our human form is also one among these varied forms of life, yet even a casual observer would have to agree that we human beings are endowed with unique capacities that distinguish us from all other forms of life. What exactly are those unique capacities?
We can begin answering this question with another. What is it that distinguishes a living form from a nonliving form? The answer is consciousness, or awareness. All living forms display this symptom of consciousness to one degree or another. That is why we call them living rather than dead. Even the small microbial germ or the common houseplant show signs of consciousness, whereas our dining table and chairs do not.

It is also evident that different forms of life display different degrees and levels of consciousness, and the human form represents the highest development of consciousness that we know. It is this greater development of consciousness, then, that distinguishes the human being from all other forms of life on the planet.

But what is it about our consciousness that makes it so different from that of the insect, the bird, the beast, or even the monkey? These creatures eat and we also eat; they sleep and we also sleep; they reproduce and we reproduce; they defend themselves and so do we. That we can perform these functions with greater sophistication may be one indicator that we possess higher consciousness, but it does not fully explain our excellence above all other forms of life.

A more satisfactory explanation is found in our ability to question our existence, reflect upon our selves, and inquire into our own nature and the nature of God. We can create languages, ponder the meaning of life, and puzzle in wonderment over the nighttime sky. Such an endowment is not present in any other form of life.
The Vedas therefore advise that in this human form of life we should be inquisitive to know who we are, what the universe is, what God is, and what the relationship is between ourselves, the universe, and God. We should inquire about the solution to the ultimate problems of life, namely birth, death, old age, and disease. Such questions cannot be asked by the cats and dogs, but they must arise in the heart of a real human being.

Difference Between the Self and the Body

Without exception, all material phenomena have a beginning and an end. A most prominent idea of modern culture is that consciousness is another such material phenomenon. Thus it is believed that consciousness (or the self) also ends with the death of the material body. This point of view, however, remains only an assumption. It has not been proven true by any scientific observation or experiment.

Nonetheless, the idea that the self ends with the body remains one of the great articles of faith of modern materialistic thought, and most of us have been educated from early childhood to think of ourselves in terms of such beliefs. Few of us, however, have thought through the philosophical implications of this type of thinking, which draws us unconsciously toward conceptions of 'the void' and nihilistic styles of life.
The most basic of the Vedic teachings stands in direct opposition to the modern scientific view of consciousness and life. According to that teaching, individual consciousness is not at all dependent upon neurobiological functions but permanently exists as an independent reality.

The presence within the material body of a conscious observer who remains ever present throughout changing bodily and mental states indicates the existence of two energies-the spiritual energy (represented by the conscious self) and the material energy (represented by the temporary body). The Vedas explain that this spiritual energy, symptomized by consciousness, continues to exist even after the material body is finished.

If each of us is an eternal soul covered only by different temporary bodily dresses, we can reasonably conclude that the highest welfare activity for all of human society is that which awakens us to our true spiritual identity and our dormant relationship with God. That activity is called Krishna consciousness.

Just as there is neither glory nor profit in saving the dress of a drowning man, there is neither glory nor profit in humanitarian efforts aimed exclusively at improving conditions for the temporary material body, which in the end is destined to grow old, become diseased, and die.

As Shrila Prabhupada himself notes in Shrimad-Bhagavatam: "The actual self is beyond the gross body and subtle mind. He is the potent, active principle of the body and mind. Without knowing the need of the dormant soul, one cannot be happy simply with the gratification of the body and mind.... The spirit soul's needs must be fulfilled. Simply by cleansing the cage of the bird, one does not satisfy the bird....

"There is dormant affection for God within everyone.... Therefore we have to engage ourselves in activities that will evoke our divine consciousness. This is possible only by hearing and chanting the divine activities of the Supreme Lord. Thus any occupational engagement which does not help one to achieve attachment for hearing and chanting the transcendental message of God is said... to be simply a waste of time."

"The Vedas are not compilations of human knowledge. Vedic knowledge comes from the spiritual world, from Lord Krishna."

http://www.krishnatemple.com/founder/histeachings.shtm

[chris]

I have long term effects from using psychedelics and they are all desireable, so perhaps my nervous system has been activated by them in a lasting way.

Visual static?

[supertzar]

Visual static?

Enhanced appreciation of anything aesthetic. A sense of oneness. A lasting attenuation of the effects of cultural programming. An overall experience of clarity. Certain pleasing visual effects from time to time, such as tracers and enhanced color.

[razed1]

Well from a physiological and neurological standpoint (by no means the final word) of work done on Zen monks, they have found that their brain makeup is a lot different than that of average people. So unless your talking about an enlightenment which does not consist of more high brain chemicals and neurological pathways being produced, then it wouldn't have much of a long term effect.

If your just talking about Mushrooms being a thing you can do to temporarily make you see things from a different perspective for a short period of time then you certainly have a point although if it were the case then I don't understand why people flip out when I point out that they are pretty overrated. Perhaps they should do mushrooms and think of a good comeback:)

you shouldnt be commenting on 'enlightenment' you dont have any clue as to what this is

[razed1]

Sorry for the cut'n'paste but i cannot type well and this explains my point:

its ok , we kno you dont have any original thoughts of your own, and your intelligence is the sum of all the dogma you have copied from the new age hindoo movement

[chris]

you shouldnt be commenting on 'enlightenment' you dont have any clue as to what this is

:rolleyes:

You are the man.

[razed1]

i dont see anything of value comin out your posts about this 'enlightenment' topic, thats all

[mauviene]

Terrence Mckenna was an excellent philosopher; I really wish he would of focused some more of his writings on of his philosophical views rather than his drug induced views.

[chris]

i dont see anything of value comin out your posts about this 'enlightenment' topic, thats all

Well I'm just thanksful that you've picked up the slack and graced us with your inbridled wisdom.

[razed1]

Well I'm just thanksful that you've picked up the slack and graced us with your inbridled wisdom.

http://i32.tinypic.com/35lesev.jpg

[octopusrex]

McKenna is THE MAN!

[razed1]

yes Mckenna was the man!

i hope yuppies realize the truth of this man, and dont jump to conclusions on what they 'think' they know on the subject of entheogens (http://www.gnosticmedia.com)