What is "The Real World"?

[zero1]

Well? We call the realm we observe and percieve with the lower 5 senses The Real World, but why? We cannot know if the information we gleen from this sense group is accurate data, can we? Science already affirms that the Light we see is only a small fraction of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. We know similarly that Sound has frequencies and vibrational ranges too subtle for us to detect, even a dog proves that.

Whas going on? We know that the Media (or "mediated") Reality we are fed thru TV, entertainment, news and current affairs is only a fabrication of the real thing in terms of events and causes. We know that a lie can travel round the world a million times faster than a truism ever can, and be believed as its opposite frequently. Some of us believe this Universe or Cosmos might be a simulation, a surreality, or a VR. Some believe a place like Heaven is the Real, where rules and boundaries don't apply, ie. Reality is Transcendence. Or maybe the Hell archetype is Reality, and we're living it? Or is it another plane of existence altogether? Perhaps Reality is Determinism, inevitability...

Way I see it, it boils down to belief. You believe your senses are validating a real experience (touching, scenting, tasting etc) but to know for sure seems impossible.

So my question is, where/what IS it? (E-Prime, there). Where/What IS the Real World actually?

[red_ram]

In my view it's a frequency of Infinity interacting with our spirits, therefore you could say it's everywhere and nowhere. It could well be a plane. It is basically a huge field of numbers decoded by our brains which feed the info to our spirits within.

I believe it is a simulation, given the ability of some to bend the rules (or knowingly bend the rules).

[zero1]

In my view it's a frequency of Infinity interacting with our spirits, therefore you could say it's everywhere and nowhere. It could well be a plane. It is basically a huge field of numbers decoded by our brains which feed the info to our spirits within.

I believe it is a simulation, given the ability of some to bend the rules (or knowingly bend the rules).

Thank you. Do you know anyone who can bend the rules? And by that, do you mean metaphysical power, such as telekinesis and suchlike? :)

[grimmvizard]

Well? We call the realm we observe and percieve with the lower 5 senses The Real World, but why? We cannot know if the information we gleen from this sense group is accurate data, can we? Science already affirms that the Light we see is only a small fraction of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. We know similarly that Sound has frequencies and vibrational ranges too subtle for us to detect, even a dog proves that.

Whas going on? We know that the Media (or "mediated") Reality we are fed thru TV, entertainment, news and current affairs is only a fabrication of the real thing in terms of events and causes. We know that a lie can travel round the world a million times faster than a truism ever can, and be believed as its opposite frequently. Some of us believe this Universe or Cosmos might be a simulation, a surreality, or a VR. Some believe a place like Heaven is the Real, where rules and boundaries don't apply, ie. Reality is Transcendence. Or maybe the Hell archetype is Reality, and we're living it? Or is it another plane of existence altogether? Perhaps Reality is Determinism, inevitability...

Way I see it, it boils down to belief. You believe your senses are validating a real experience (touching, scenting, tasting etc) but to know for sure seems impossible.

So my question is, where/what IS it? (E-Prime, there). Where/What IS the Real World actually?

There is no such thing as a solid atom.

It's all in your mind.

Why is "space" infinite, because-- YOU can imagine it as infinite.


this is fucking ridiculous, I thought this was common sense now..

but I guess some are still stressing about other theories..

[zero1]

There is no such thing as a solid atom.

It's all in your mind.

Why is "space" infinite, because-- YOU can imagine it as infinite.


this is fucking ridiculous, I thought this was common sense now..

but I guess some are still stressing about other theories..

Hmm, you seem most impatient and distainful of my modest attempt to stimulate interesting discussion today, Grimm.

I was aware of the reason for the solid-state appearance of things, but what are you suggesting the established science actually proves about the reality of the Universe? :)

[zero1]

There is no such thing as a solid atom.

It's all in your mind.

Why is "space" infinite, because-- YOU can imagine it as infinite.


this is fucking ridiculous, I thought this was common sense now..

but I guess some are still stressing about other theories..

Hmm, you seem most impatient and distainful of my modest attempts to stimulate interesting discussion today, Grimm. Naive and pretentious though I may be, I am merely trying to find common ground with other minds, that's all.

I was aware of the reason for the solid-state appearance of things, but what are you suggesting the established science actually proves about the reality of the Universe? :)

[red_ram]

Thank you. Do you know anyone who can bend the rules? And by that, do you mean metaphysical power, such as telekinesis and suchlike? :)

Right now I can't think of anyone who's bent the rules of reality, but over the course of my life I've no doubt heard stories I've paid little attention to because of my view on reality.

As for what I mean by bending the rules, I mean all possibility, including telekinesis and everything else. It's the stories of extra capabilities gained via martial arts, such as using chi to stop penetration of the skin by blades and reducing one's weight to allow one to walk on eggs without breaking them.

One question though. If one person put his hand through a solid table (knowing it to be an illusion), would his view of 'reality' allow him to do it whereas another, conventional view of reality see him failing to do it because of the belief that such a thing cannot be done which would, in that case, filter out the act of him doing it?

[zero1]

One question though. If one person put his hand through a solid table (knowing it to be an illusion), would his view of 'reality' allow him to do it whereas another, conventional view of reality see him failing to do it because of the belief that such a thing cannot be done which would, in that case, filter out the act of him doing it?

Well, I don't know as I've never seen anyone desolidify in part or whole and do that, but I take it that anyone who doesn't believe these things to be possible will absolutely limit themselves to that effect. It will not be possible @ all for them.

Thing is, I do believe its possible to put your hand through a table or walk through a wall, but I don't know the process or the method of doing it. Without a process or method, the mind cannot grasp what it is and perform the feat, no? Fear plays a part in limiting metaphysical abilities too, I would imagine.

But someone with the right energies, or whatever it takes, who has the belief and is without mental clutter or self-limitation, I believe that someone can do it.

[red_ram]

Well, I don't know as I've never seen anyone desolidify in part or whole and do that, but I take it that anyone who doesn't believe these things to be possible will absolutely limit themselves to that effect. It will not be possible @ all for them.

Thing is, I do believe its possible to put your hand through a table or walk through a wall, but I don't know the process or the method of doing it. Without a process or method, the mind cannot grasp what it is and perform the feat, no? Fear plays a part in limiting metaphysical abilities too, I would imagine.

But someone with the right energies, or whatever it takes, who has the belief and is without mental clutter or self-limitation, I believe that someone can do it.

I agree.

That question arose due to David mentioning the bit in The Holographic Universe where the hypnotist brings out the watch and the man can 'see through' his daughter. I've wondered what would have happened if the hypnotist had asked the man to reach out and take the watch.

And also, what are we missing out on? Things that would be 'solid' and part of our realities if we did not filter them out?

[zero1]

And also, what are we missing out on? Things that would be 'solid' and part of our realities if we did not filter them out?

From my own belief, the solidarity of reality, that integral hard matter we percieve, is related to or caused by frequencies and vibrations of Sound in an EM field. But I could be wrong, that's just my theory.

I believe in this field, like an Electric Universe, the interaction with consciousness creates the holographic effect but closes certain spaces to our senses, so that we cannot "see" the gaps and cogs of the big illusion @ work, that we can pass through or manipulate (like code). Again, just a hypothesis.

[red_ram]

It makes sense, given that sound is, after all, vibration and David's clips showing how sound vibrations work to separate grains of sand into solar system like patterns.

I believe that any ability we have to bend the rules is our energy field being able to manipulate these sound waves, possibly like the bending of a guitar string that chnages the pitch.

[zero1]

I believe that any ability we have to bend the rules is our energy field being able to manipulate these sound waves, possibly like the bending of a guitar string that chnages the pitch.

Excellent, yes. Like in music, change the vibe and the psyche goes with it. ;)

But still, what mental states that would enable metaphysical rule-bending or breaking can be attained to with that approach eludes me.

Thank you for your wonderful posts on this thread, Red Ram. :)

[red_ram]

Excellent, yes. Like in music, change the vibe and the psyche goes with it. ;)

But still, what mental states that would enable metaphysical rule-bending or breaking can be attained to with that approach eludes me.

Thank you for your wonderful posts on this thread, Red Ram. :)

I believe we are born into this reality with a mental state that would allow us to bend the rules, or at least to treat 'reality' in such a way that knows no limitations as we would recognise no limitations. This is subsequently limited and conditioned by influences such as parenting etc. It leads me to wonder what one would be capable of with no parenting, if one was left to experiment with reality and learn that way.

And, you're welcome. Thank you too for such a stimulating discussion.

I'll speak more tomorrow.:)

[grimmvizard]

Hmm, you seem most impatient and distainful of my modest attempts to stimulate interesting discussion today, Grimm. Naive and pretentious though I may be, I am merely trying to find common ground with other minds, that's all.

I was aware of the reason for the solid-state appearance of things, but what are you suggesting the established science actually proves about the reality of the Universe? :)

it has shed light on how this matrix works..

[lemonique]

Well, I don't know as I've never seen anyone desolidify in part or whole and do that, but I take it that anyone who doesn't believe these things to be possible will absolutely limit themselves to that effect. It will not be possible @ all for them.

Thing is, I do believe its possible to put your hand through a table or walk through a wall, but I don't know the process or the method of doing it. Without a process or method, the mind cannot grasp what it is and perform the feat, no? Fear plays a part in limiting metaphysical abilities too, I would imagine.

But someone with the right energies, or whatever it takes, who has the belief and is without mental clutter or self-limitation, I believe that someone can do it.


Speaking from experience......I was able to put my hand through my wall during an OBE.

So spirit has a lot to do with it IMO.

Reality is all in the mind (brain) as grimmviard said.

Lem

[shankara]

Thank you. Do you know anyone who can bend the rules? And by that, do you mean metaphysical power, such as telekinesis and suchlike? :)

I don't know anyone personally (well except a friend who went to a spoon bending class and said she and everyone else learned to bend silver spoons with their minds - does that count?), but it seems like it's common among yogis (there are many stories in Autobiography of a Yogi), also Qigong masters can perform telekinesis and healing. I've started practicing qigong recently, maybe I'll move on to spoon bending next :). I think the best way to manipulate "reality" would be regular meditation and building or chi, as well as mental exercises (there's exercises online for telekinesis, like moving a candle flame or a bottle cap in water). You need to have a certainty that not only is it possible, but will happen (I haven't gotten there yet). Also, it's important for someone to ask himself why he wants to manipulate reality. Is it an ego/power thing? I think it would be cool to show others what is possible, so they can see a reality outside of what they have been conditioned to believe.

[empyblessing]

We are born knowing . Even before birth we know. In the womb we formed eyes because we knew that there was light. We formed ears because we knew that there was sound. We formed equilibrium because we knew there is gravity. We formed hands to manipulate objects, senses to feel the "world" around us. We did not believe that there was light and sound and gravity, we knew.

Being able to manipulate the matrix, the illusion around us is a matter of knowing. To quote the Oracle from The Matrix, "I wanna tell you a little secret, being the one is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are in love, you just know it, through and through." The difference between believing and knowing is the difference between freedom and slavery.

This knowledge that all living things have is contained within the cells. It is something written into the DNA, a record of creation passed down long ago. It is formed along with life. The birds know it, the foxes know it, the flowers know it. It is this initial record which gives stability to the laws of the universe and to the illusion.

[ie11]

Well? We call the realm we observe and percieve with the lower 5 senses The Real World, but why? We cannot know if the information we gleen from this sense group is accurate data, can we? Science already affirms that the Light we see is only a small fraction of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. We know similarly that Sound has frequencies and vibrational ranges too subtle for us to detect, even a dog proves that.

Whas going on? We know that the Media (or "mediated") Reality we are fed thru TV, entertainment, news and current affairs is only a fabrication of the real thing in terms of events and causes. We know that a lie can travel round the world a million times faster than a truism ever can, and be believed as its opposite frequently. Some of us believe this Universe or Cosmos might be a simulation, a surreality, or a VR. Some believe a place like Heaven is the Real, where rules and boundaries don't apply, ie. Reality is Transcendence. Or maybe the Hell archetype is Reality, and we're living it? Or is it another plane of existence altogether? Perhaps Reality is Determinism, inevitability...

Way I see it, it boils down to belief. You believe your senses are validating a real experience (touching, scenting, tasting etc) but to know for sure seems impossible.

So my question is, where/what IS it? (E-Prime, there). Where/What IS the Real World actually?

The real world zero1 is the space within
- see your post in the matrix section titled 'hypothesis'. youve always had the 'answer'.

as fucked up, selfish, lazy, wrong, and an excuse this sounds, it isnt

im thinking about the 3 lines above now, and second guessing missunderstandings that i and others might have at what it means when read in not-consciousness.

trying not to look at the sentance above linearly or within western-influenced paradigms (whether hidden, subliminal or covert but in plain sight) everthing we see outside is a reflection of within.

that doesnt mean to judge ourselves harshly or try to deal with percieved problems either internally by force-manipulation or externally by force-manipulation (both styles of governMENT), calculation and self-biased, self-centred, self-focusing greed (delusion of greed, fear, hope <> delusion of choice, change purpose } attempting to glorify ourselves),

but,

notwithstanding our 'karmic' circumstance both inner and outer of our condition of 'distraction habit', and the unwilling (yes, its unwilling if we focus away from it, and listen to our hearts. More like self-torturers we have been acting in life, traitor to our true selves, which is held captive) need to move, do, say, act, and how these are a. propegated by ourselves and others and b. propegated and focused on by the usury, economic-exponential growth system and its connections and links,

what it means is to accept that the ineffable core within which is infinite like space is [edit] like [edit] the truth

all else is illusionary appearance

what is our true hearts task then? .....

dont be caught up in western paradigms again on the fact you happen to ask this question when david icke and your intellect speculates, says and knows that 'asking the question' is 'wrong' and we should 'know' the answer.

this is precisely what im alluding to in the above, and we know to give ourselves time forgivingly so to find out (after all those years of wrong self doing, and habits formed, and hopes and fears empowered) and let the answer 'come'.

its like a communication between the Inner-God to the demigorgue, a shading away from one consciousnes to another, a communication transformation from the infinite to the temporal, a way of unwrapping our eyes blinded from the self-caused shadow by misinterpretation, ignorance and arrogance, to the eternal, inner, peaceful, unforceful (unfascist) truth.

ive tried to path the processm, which is not progress. progress is from the demigorge. Thats about as clumsyly i can describe it.

i know the tao te ching describes something like the truth

i like your signature by the way.

[ie11]

the truth is not rational

critical eyes and minds need not be rational

thereby

linkage to Heart

together, there flowers truth

truth is not,

pointing to instead

balance is felt within Heart

as john white loves to talk about discernment and relationship with balance
(in a recent thread in general section 'this forum should be attacked' where john responded about rather ' being the example. responsibility ending there. stating you are, crosses the line ' inspired me.)

that is '' real '' !!!

[cyberdaemon]

I found it sad that same thing is posted over and over again.How many topics do we need about world being a dream ? I mean give it a rest little bit and bring some new facts that arent over talked!

[zero1]

The real world zero1 is the space within
- see your post in the matrix section titled 'hypothesis'. youve always had the 'answer'.

as fucked up, selfish, lazy, wrong, and an excuse this sounds, it isnt

im thinking about the 3 lines above now, and second guessing missunderstandings that i and others might have at what it means when read in not-consciousness.

trying not to look at the sentance above linearly or within western-influenced paradigms (whether hidden, subliminal or covert but in plain sight) everthing we see outside is a reflection of within.

that doesnt mean to judge ourselves harshly or try to deal with percieved problems either internally by force-manipulation or externally by force-manipulation (both styles of governMENT), calculation and self-biased, self-centred, self-focusing greed (delusion of greed, fear, hope <> delusion of choice, change purpose } attempting to glorify ourselves),

but,

notwithstanding our 'karmic' circumstance both inner and outer of our condition of 'distraction habit', and the unwilling (yes, its unwilling if we focus away from it, and listen to our hearts. More like self-torturers we have been acting in life, traitor to our true selves, which is held captive) need to move, do, say, act, and how these are a. propegated by ourselves and others and b. propegated and focused on by the usury, economic-exponential growth system and its connections and links,

what it means is to accept that the ineffable core within which is infinite like space is [edit] like [edit] the truth

all else is illusionary appearance

what is our true hearts task then? .....

dont be caught up in western paradigms again on the fact you happen to ask this question when david icke and your intellect speculates, says and knows that 'asking the question' is 'wrong' and we should 'know' the answer.

this is precisely what im alluding to in the above, and we know to give ourselves time forgivingly so to find out (after all those years of wrong self doing, and habits formed, and hopes and fears empowered) and let the answer 'come'.

its like a communication between the Inner-God to the demigorgue, a shading away from one consciousnes to another, a communication transformation from the infinite to the temporal, a way of unwrapping our eyes blinded from the self-caused shadow by misinterpretation, ignorance and arrogance, to the eternal, inner, peaceful, unforceful (unfascist) truth.

ive tried to path the processm, which is not progress. progress is from the demigorge. Thats about as clumsyly i can describe it.

i know the tao te ching describes something like the truth

i like your signature by the way.

Thank you. :) Great post.

[zero1]

We are born knowing . Even before birth we know. In the womb we formed eyes because we knew that there was light. We formed ears because we knew that there was sound. We formed equilibrium because we knew there is gravity. We formed hands to manipulate objects, senses to feel the "world" around us. We did not believe that there was light and sound and gravity, we knew.

Being able to manipulate the matrix, the illusion around us is a matter of knowing. To quote the Oracle from The Matrix, "I wanna tell you a little secret, being the one is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are in love, you just know it, through and through." The difference between believing and knowing is the difference between freedom and slavery.

This knowledge that all living things have is contained within the cells. It is something written into the DNA, a record of creation passed down long ago. It is formed along with life. The birds know it, the foxes know it, the flowers know it. It is this initial record which gives stability to the laws of the universe and to the illusion.

Yes, the body carries all the information. But the body is a reflexive machine, it responds to stimuli which results in the brain simulating everything in the world. This means there is a lot of clutter to sort thru before gleening any useful truths from the story the body tells. Kind of like the Old Testament, that, in sofaras the Jewish religion is based on the body.

I find that when belief is of both mind and heart, knowing comes naturally. :)

[zero1]

the truth is not rational

critical eyes and minds need not be rational

thereby

linkage to Heart

together, there flowers truth

truth is not,

pointing to instead

balance is felt within Heart

as john white loves to talk about discernment and relationship with balance
(in a recent thread in general section 'this forum should be attacked' where john responded about rather ' being the example. responsibility ending there. stating you are, crosses the line ' inspired me.)

that is '' real '' !!!

You're right, the Truth is not wholly rational, but it is reasonable, and it CAN BE rationalized. ;)

[zero1]

I found it sad that same thing is posted over and over again.How many topics do we need about world being a dream ? I mean give it a rest little bit and bring some new facts that arent over talked!

But it's such a fascinating subject for me! :p And all the other interesting facts derive from or are related to it. :)

[phreedom]

Well? We call the realm we observe and percieve with the lower 5 senses The Real World, but why? We cannot know if the information we gleen from this sense group is accurate data, can we? Science already affirms that the Light we see is only a small fraction of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. We know similarly that Sound has frequencies and vibrational ranges too subtle for us to detect, even a dog proves that.

Whas going on? We know that the Media (or "mediated") Reality we are fed thru TV, entertainment, news and current affairs is only a fabrication of the real thing in terms of events and causes. We know that a lie can travel round the world a million times faster than a truism ever can, and be believed as its opposite frequently. Some of us believe this Universe or Cosmos might be a simulation, a surreality, or a VR. Some believe a place like Heaven is the Real, where rules and boundaries don't apply, ie. Reality is Transcendence. Or maybe the Hell archetype is Reality, and we're living it? Or is it another plane of existence altogether? Perhaps Reality is Determinism, inevitability...

Way I see it, it boils down to belief. You believe your senses are validating a real experience (touching, scenting, tasting etc) but to know for sure seems impossible.

So my question is, where/what IS it? (E-Prime, there). Where/What IS the Real World actually?


please see my thread answering the question "Where You Are"

[godmind]

We are born knowing . Even before birth we know. In the womb we formed eyes because we knew that there was light. We formed ears because we knew that there was sound. We formed equilibrium because we knew there is gravity. We formed hands to manipulate objects, senses to feel the "world" around us. We did not believe that there was light and sound and gravity, we knew.

Being able to manipulate the matrix, the illusion around us is a matter of knowing. To quote the Oracle from The Matrix, "I wanna tell you a little secret, being the one is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are in love, you just know it, through and through." The difference between believing and knowing is the difference between freedom and slavery.

This knowledge that all living things have is contained within the cells. It is something written into the DNA, a record of creation passed down long ago. It is formed along with life. The birds know it, the foxes know it, the flowers know it. It is this initial record which gives stability to the laws of the universe and to the illusion.

Nice post.