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cl2008

01-04-2008, 06:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar1yXYOsxQk

In this video clip, there was scientific evidence from the medical equipment. But when it was tried on skeptics, it didnt work at all.

So reality is affected by a belief system?

If reality is affected by a belief system, then how does that relate to people who lived all their lives believing in heaven and hell? So will they REALLY go to heaven or hell if thats what they believed?

Your thoughts?

red_ram

01-04-2008, 07:15 PM

zero1

02-04-2008, 12:11 AM

I believe it is to do with one's belief system. In his last two books David has stated that when one 'died', if they believe in heaven or hell, they will go to another level of the Matrix that reflects that.

Bummer to always be stuck in the womb, being born and reborn though, huh?

Icke never explains where the Merry-go-round of internment in transient forms/bodies ends...don't we have a permanent, everlasting body somewhere, one that does what its told and is imperishable? Hmm...

Anyway, about martial arts: "human stun-gun", I like that. Chi masters have been knocking MF's out for thousands of years with kinetic energy bursts like the fat martial arts master in the video does.

Both chi (bio-energy) and Ki (etheric energy) combined make-up your life-force, and channeling them is a learned action. But ultimately both are manifestations of the Electro-Magnetic field of the body, the aurae.

Electricity and magnetism. Simple. :) As with self, so with Universe, for one is a reflection of the other (macro-micro), the whole contined wholly in each and every part.

serpentoffire

02-04-2008, 07:51 PM

Nothing else than ipnotism, like in evangelical exorcists.

zero1

02-04-2008, 11:08 PM

Nothing else than ipnotism, like in evangelical exorcists.

"Ipnotism". Do you mean "Hypnotism"? Hmm, maybe...

red_ram

02-04-2008, 11:46 PM

I'll be sticking with this thread, as I have an interest in the martial arts.

zero1

03-04-2008, 12:04 AM

I'll be sticking with this thread, as I have an interest in the martial arts.

Cool. :cool: Do you practice a particular style/art? :)

kblood

03-04-2008, 12:05 AM

I have been doing stuff like this. You can even cause bruises on others doing tricks like this, and it is of course very much about how the mind reacts to it, more than the body itself.

I read through the comments to it a bit, and it was said by someone who claimed to be related to this black belt guy, that he actually did knock out 4 out of 5 of the people that interviewed him. They showed the one that was able to resist it.

This is actually common jounalism, sadly enough. I know of many stories where journalism tricks are used to use it to shape the oppinion of the viewer. I.e. there was a interview trying to give people a look on how a kind of baby sitting worked out in a small part of my country. They wanted a certain reaction, so they only showed all the parts that was negative, making it look like these caretakes of other peoples children were hitting them, leaving them on their own for hours, misfeeding them and changing diapers on a kitchen table.

The last one was due to the reporters claiming there not being enough light in the room that diapers was usually changed in, so it had been on the reporters request that the diapers was being changed on the kitchen table (on a madress of course, used for having babies on when changing diapers)...

When seeing a piece of journalism, it is important to keep in mind how journalists think. Figure out what the journalist wants us to think about something, and how it is being accomplished. Then you will begin to understand how the media tries to control us and our oppinions.

red_ram

03-04-2008, 12:33 AM

Cool. :cool: Do you practice a particular style/art? :)

I've done a little karate and t'ai chi, and after some research I'm going to be taking up wing chun later this year. So, a lot of theory, not a lot of practice so far. ;)

I've been interested especially in the special abilities some practitioners have gaine through the use of chi etc. My wish to take up the art is mainly for self defence and to focus my mind. :)

kblood

03-04-2008, 12:42 AM

I've done a little karate and t'ai chi, and after some research I'm going to be taking up wing chun later this year. So, a lot of theory, not a lot of practice so far. ;)

I've been interested especially in the special abilities some practitioners have gaine through the use of chi etc. My wish to take up the art is mainly for self defence and to focus my mind. :)

We have quite a few on the forum who are into martial arts :) There are special kinds of training techniques to build up chi. I dont remember their names correctly but maybe some of them will join this thread :)

You probably already know some of the techniques. Have you practiced anything yet, and had any breakthroughs with it?

red_ram

03-04-2008, 12:59 AM

We have quite a few on the forum who are into martial arts :) There are special kinds of training techniques to build up chi. I dont remember their names correctly but maybe some of them will join this thread :)

You probably already know some of the techniques. Have you practiced anything yet, and had any breakthroughs with it?

I'm interested in chi kung for chi buildup.

But I tell you now, when I saw David's Freedom Or Fascism and he showed the pic of that experiment where ink was injected into the acupuncture points I thought "Sweet Jesus, that Chinese meridian line stuff is TRUE! But...that stuff has been practised by the Chinese for centuries! It's ancient knowledge! How could they know?" Then the analogy with the computer board...it all clicked.

I know the theory behind some techniques but haven't practised them yet. But with my view on reality now, I know it'll colour my martial arts training.

I will be posting details of any breakthroughs I have. Also, as I get further into the theory of the art, I'll be looking into how it correlates with the ancient knowledge/reality slant. But stories of Shaolin temples being burnt down do have new meaning (ancient knowledge being destroyed).

kblood

03-04-2008, 02:41 AM

Ancient teaching would be corrupted today anyway. Many things lost in translation and people adding what they believe it means to it.

So new raw adaptions made from scratch needs to be made today. Hanging on to teachings that are in fact outdated today wont help us, we need to learn it anew. Learn it our own way.

who knows, maybe it all changes along with the collective conciousness we live in. So the things that was true back then isnt necessarily true today. Not in the same way. Our bodies, DNA, planet and minds change over time.

Of course time doesnt really exist, but because it doesnt only means that the outcome probably always is the same. A life has a beginning and an end, and so has the evolution of our planet and us on it. The end is most likely a new beginning for something else.

It is amazing to think about how much they knew in ancient times, which we are just rediscovering today. Apparantly they even had nuclear wars. The technology that was used back then we dont understand today, because our technology today is so different.

But I also believe controlling the energy of the body and everything around us is what really leads to true power. Or rather instead of controlling it, understanding its flow, and knowing how to follow it, and obey its laws. Having your mind and conciousness become as aware of it as possible. Breaking the illusions of what we believe to be real, and thereby letting our mind become a creative tool of this reality as well, by realising how it all connects and flows. Maybe realising is the wrong word, rather giving in to it and going with the flow, bend it as you go along to see how the flow changes.

That is how I find it most easy to use it. Controlling chi as martial arts makes you able to takes years of training though, because it is about learning with your whole body, training the body to work with the flow of chi. Its not about following the flow, but bending it around your body in a way. Instead of following it as a whole, it is focusing on the small parts of it around your body. I have tried training it, putting out candles by hitting them, without touching the flame. That is a good start I think, although that is the only thing I have done so far. I only got to step one of it, which was putting out the flame by hitting into it and only pushing the air. There are several other steps to it.

binhdinh_khiwarrior

03-04-2008, 02:59 AM

I'm interested in chi kung for chi buildup.

But I tell you now, when I saw David's Freedom Or Fascism and he showed the pic of that experiment where ink was injected into the acupuncture points I thought "Sweet Jesus, that Chinese meridian line stuff is TRUE! But...that stuff has been practised by the Chinese for centuries! It's ancient knowledge! How could they know?" Then the analogy with the computer board...it all clicked.

I know the theory behind some techniques but haven't practised them yet. But with my view on reality now, I know it'll colour my martial arts training.

I will be posting details of any breakthroughs I have. Also, as I get further into the theory of the art, I'll be looking into how it correlates with the ancient knowledge/reality slant. But stories of Shaolin temples being burnt down do have new meaning (ancient knowledge being destroyed).

Hi Kblood ;-)

U can get to the point where someone that does not believe will still be effected...they just won't understand....
The knowledge is actually from India, it was passed on by a monk named Da Mo or Bodidharma, he passed it on to the Vietnamese and the Chinese. It was these excersies and knowledge that became the foundation of Kung Fu and Vietnamese war arts...
These secrets later became known in English as alchemy, and funnily enough alchemy formed the basis for modern science...

binhdinh_khiwarrior

03-04-2008, 03:03 AM

The knowledge is not totally destroyed. If you have the patience to study Tao, Cabala and yoga.

kblood

03-04-2008, 03:46 AM

Hi Khiwarrior :) I was hoping you would post. I know that people can be affected without believing in it. It is alot easier when they help it along with their own conciousness though, making it their own reality as well. That said, another persons body is part of reality and therefore part of our own reality, and just like we can touch it we can also affect it with our mind.

Placebo effects helps both when it comes to healing and hurting.

empyblessing

03-04-2008, 10:49 AM

redhead

03-04-2008, 11:17 AM

I have studied Ch'i Gung for about 7 years now as well as Tai Chi Ch'uan (The Yang Lu-ch'an Form) & Baguazhang, i highly recommend this site and if you can get to a workshop with him it is amazing.

http://www.taijiworld.com/

I am also pleased to say i have only had to use my knowledge once when 3 Africans pulled a knife on me in a club, i got stabbed through my hand while i was blocking, but they ended up K.O.'d :p. The power you can generate and speed at which you can move has to be seen to be believed.

empyblessing

04-04-2008, 01:42 PM

You knocked 3 knife wielding men unconscious with this ability? In a club no less? I doubt they had much of a belief in chi power considering the setting.

kblood

04-04-2008, 06:23 PM

You knocked 3 knife wielding men unconscious with this ability? In a club no less? I doubt they had much of a belief in chi power considering the setting.

Nope. Its just part of it that comes from how much you make a person believe something is happening to the persons body. That is what I believe most magick is built on, and some warfare as well. It can work with Chi as well, but with chi the difference is that it is actuall energi that is being directed.

I am still wondering wether the tele/psycho kinesis I have used a few rare times was partly made real by the power of suggestion, but it still had a physical reaction. I find it easier to do with people, rather than items. Getting my mind around how to do it with items is hard for me. Especially while I mostly just use it to make my hand do something another place than it physically is. Being more in control of it, it should be possible to simply push objects without making gestures.

kernelpower

04-04-2008, 10:01 PM

kblood

04-04-2008, 10:40 PM

lol, that will teach him to not put too much faith in himself. Certainly wasnt chi he was using, but his students certainly believed in to be real.

Still, it can also end up being real. A suggestive kind of punch can leave a real bruise, just like a when a person gets healed, most the healing might in fact come from the person being healed.

Some healers believe they have to draw the healing from somewhere, and some draw it from themselves, and it does take some energy. Although I find it hard to do healing this way, it seems that when healing, what counts the most is getting the person getting healed to believe it him or her self. That helps the process a very long way.

I guess its like saying hope actually is a force on its own.

It still takes a bit more than believing though, but thats the hard bit to explain. A state of mind I guess, being calm and feeling a special way. Love? Feelings disrupt it, other than feeling in tune I guess it is. I think love is a weak description, because love isnt that well defined. Still I guess we all know how it feels, or at least I hope so.

redhead

05-04-2008, 12:24 PM

You knocked 3 knife wielding men unconscious with this ability? In a club no less? I doubt they had much of a belief in chi power considering the setting.

Its not so much of an magic ability as knowing where to hit, tai-chi (the martial application not the healing application teaches you to attack the acupuncture points, therefore knocking out someone is easy as your stopping there energy flow). With regards to moving quickly Bruce Lee sums it up nicely with his quote "Do Not Think......Feel", this is the basis of a training excercise called Push Hands, which encourages you to feel an opponents energy therefore predicting what he will do before he does it.

deano101

05-04-2008, 05:43 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

this is what happens when a terminal bullshitter who says he iss 500 and 0 meets someone who knows mma ( real fighting ) and guess who gets a kicking , funnily enough its the 500 and 0 who believes he can knock his students out with his mind,its all down to the fact that the students are so brainwashed in traditional martial arts ie karate and tang soo do , do some mma and jui jitsu if you wanna be able to protect yourself, peace and dialogue are the best way to resolve issues but some peeps ( especially drunken angry chavs )O only understand one language!!!

Peace Borthers ( and sisters )

http://www.realityloop.net/blog/Thesamebutdiffernt_694/Front_3.jpg

His students are as much to blame for buying into his bullshit. If one or two of them were honest and gave him a slap every now and then he might not have thought he could take on a real opponent. It also shows the power of suggestion - his ' gullible students really felt him waving his hands at them and fel down. Kind of reminds me of the story ' the emporers new clothes'

kblood

06-04-2008, 01:08 PM

His students are as much to blame for buying into his bullshit. If one or two of them were honest and gave him a slap every now and then he might not have thought he could take on a real opponent. It also shows the power of suggestion - his ' gullible students really felt him waving his hands at them and fel down. Kind of reminds me of the story ' the emporers new clothes'

Yes, they believed it to be true, so much they could do nothing but let it happen. Even if what he did was real, then it certainly is a bad starting point for learning martial arts. How about teaching them to punch and kick before moving on to that?

I wonder how his students would do in a real tournament.

shankara

07-04-2008, 02:44 AM

I'm more interested in chi healing than its use for self-defense. Through my own meditation and awakening consciousness I have definitely felt something, some force inside me. At times it felt as though I were charged with it yet knew no way to control it.

About 5 or 6 years ago I had a few sessions with a (now local) Qigong master from China. I had just started practicing reiki so I was somewhat familiar with energy healing. I sat in a chair and closed my eyes and she started to work on me. All of a sudden I felt and heard her blowing on my third eye, a blast of cold air on my forehead. It was so intense and unexpected that I flinched, but didn't open my eyes. Afterward she asked me why I flinched, and when I told her, and she laughed and said she just sent chi at me with her finger! I was so amazed, as this energy wasn't the subtle warmth of reiki at all, this was very obvious and intense. In the next session, she did something so that I was swaying uncontrollably, which scared the hell out of me at the time, but she must have awakened something in me because now I do it all the time when practicing energy work. Anyway, after that I was always drawn to qigong, (even though I had learned other forms of energy healing, including 3 months of training in shiatsu (Chinese acupressure) in massage school) but never found the right teacher, as I didn't connect on a personal level with any of the instructors I found. Then recently my mom told me about a system called Spring Forest Qigong (http://www.springforestqigong.com/) which is a home study course. Later, if you want to, you can go to Minnesota to work with the master, Chunyi Lin. It is supposed to be simplified yet very powerful (I have found that to be true so far). There are a few different levels, but for self-healing you really only need level 1. The master has a book, which I still have yet to read. Maybe you could read it and see if you are drawn to him. I know when I looked at his picture, I felt drawn to his energy. The home course has an active exercise session (40 min) and 2 meditations (30 min each). I normally practice 1-2.5 hrs daily, though that isn't necessary, sometimes I just practice 30 min. I've only been doing it a bit over a week, but I notice the benefits already and I could feel the energy right away. If you can't find a master in your area that you're drawn to this could be an option. It's nice to have a daily practice and not just a weekly class. This system is meant for healing and building chi and he addresses healing others as well (sword fingers, which I've used a bit already); I think level 2 has more about healing others. Kenneth Cohen has a home-study course too (http://store.soundstrue.com/aw00883d.html) Good luck!