Spelling and grammer.

[purple is a fruit]

I have been reading a lot of threads and looking at how people treat others here in this forum.

On this forum I have noticed on many occasions people posting in threads who have a bit of difficulty with spelling and grammer, yet the posts that they make are full of really awesome and thought provoking information.
There are people on this forum who will jump in and question the 'intelligence' so to speak, of the poster because they have made a few spelling or grammer errors. They use this against the poster to make a mockery of them, in an attempt to belittle them, embarrass them and somewhat persuade other posters here to look at them in a light where what they say has no credibility because they make spelling errors. They get comments like 'have you heard of a spell checker?' etc.

Now from what i have seen on this forum, there are many who have perfect grammer and spelling ability yet try to 'intellectualise' even the most basic concepts, then there are those who make a few typos, incorrectly spell a few words maybe have a few grammer errors along the way, yet make some of the most interesting discussions and points. Many times the come backs of the 'grammer and spelling' experts are a direct insult to the intelligence of a poster due to their lack of ability in this area.

So what exactly is your definition of an intelligent person?
A person who can nail home a point, spelling errors or not, should not have to cop insult from others who deem themselves 'a better person' because they can construct a paragraph correctly. Nor should they be judged.
from my observation, some of the worst spellers have some of the best information.


I feel posters who wish to degrade other posters because they may not be as savvy at constructing a sentence are simply grasping at straws and showing up their own 'lack' of something...... is it really that insulting to a good speller to have to read a post of someone who is maybe not is good in that area? If so well i wonder which of the two really has the bigger issues?

just my thoughts
Purple

PS Excuse any possible bad grammer and spelling errors, I would hate to insult someone.:eek: :cool:

purple

[pedsi]

Well said, in my days working in construction squads i've met interesting and clever people who could'nt write never mind spell correctly

[lookfar]

Hi purple

I strongly agree. People should not be judged on how well they put across something, it's the message that's being relayed that's the important part.

[truthcommission]

Purple - 'grammer' is spelt grammar. Couldn'r resist. ;)

[purple is a fruit]

Yes, I feel it is somewhat deliberate within the school system, that some of the basic and most important fundementals of language are never learnt.
I have had direct experience with this via my son. he was struggling in year 3 (he is now in year 6) with some of the most basic concepts...eg vowels. Why?
because this had not been taught to him. Yes you read correctly.
How is one meant to build a house without the foundations laid?
children are struggling and this is totally deliberate.

There are holes in the teaching system which are blatently obvious when one looks back even to when they were at school compared to now.

Our children are being dumbed.
We should be compassionate to those who have slipped through the system with limited language skills as they are a direct result of a deliberate ploy to make sure those who should have a voice are not taken seriously, because they cannot express themselves in a way that would appear 'educated'

Let us be supportive and understanding.
And lets us also be aware of what is happening within the schools we are sending our children to. The extra work at home is necessary more than ever before.

My son came home the other day telling me all about 'global warming' and I had to spend an hour undoing the damage.
Religious studies have also become part of the cirriculum in public schools here. about 90% of the students in my sons and nephews classes are attending a one hour a week religious indoctrination session.

Come on people let us see through what is happening here and stop mocking those who are a result of the system.

[purple is a fruit]

that was done on purpose! to see how long it would take truth commission
thanks for nailing home my point :) It really is appreciated.

Purple

[purple is a fruit]

Purple - 'grammer' is spelt grammar. Couldn'r resist. ;)


oh and a small typo in your post too...have you heard of a spell checker darling?

[truthcommission]

oh and a small typo in your post too...have you heard of a spell checker darling?
Here was me trying to be clever...oh well.

[tinmenace]

Bravo Purp!! Coherent post and absolutely correct!

Spelling and grammar don't make a difference to me, I's bees understandings all kinds of lannages...:D and if you're making sense and you're emitting good and positive vibes...then grammar means nutting.

[tinmenace]

Here was me trying to be clever...oh well.

Hehe! Karma has such a great way of teaching us lessons, yeah? I love it. :p

[purple is a fruit]

Here was me trying to be clever...oh well.

He he he he :D
I had to put the spelling error in the title to grab the attention of those who I was refering to :) Thanks for taking the bait,i was unsure just how long it would take:p

Oh I love it:rolleyes:

Purple

[purple is a fruit]

Hehe! Karma has such a great way of teaching us lessons, yeah? I love it. :p

I am laughing my arse off........:p

[lookfar]

Yes, I feel it is somewhat deliberate within the school system, that some of the basic and most important fundementals of language are never learnt.
How is one meant to build a house without the foundations laid?
children are struggling and this is totally deliberate.

There are holes in the teaching system which are blatently obvious when one looks back even to when they were at school compared to now.

Our children are being dumbed.
We should be compassionate to those who have slipped through the system with limited language skills as they are a direct result of a deliberate ploy to make sure those who should have a voice are not taken seriously, because they cannot express themselves in a way that would appear 'educated'

My son came home the other day telling me all about 'global warming' and I had to spend an hour undoing the damage.
Religious studies have also become part of the cirriculum in public schools here. about 90% of the students in my sons and nephews classes are attending a one hour a week religious indoctrination session.

Come on people let us see through what is happening here and stop mocking those who are a result of the system.

Very true purple.

I had the very same thing last night at parents evening at my sons school. I asked why they were being taught to learn joined up writing at 4-5 years old as I felt this was too hard for them to grasp. Some of the letters they are learning I'd even struggle to write!! Also all the books they learn from & read don't have joined up letters. When I was at school we got taught the basic shape of letters then joined them up when we were a bit older and more familiar. I just feel that this is putting too much pressure on them & helping to keep them dumbed down.

I don't know if you have this in Oz, but they're being taught "jolly phonics" which is a system for learning the alphabet with sounds & movement? I can understand the concept behind it, to make it more appealing, but it's just ANOTHER thing they have to learn, which is more like a stumbling block.

We also put our case across about religion, as he'd come home from school a few weeks ago telling me he was a christian as he went to church with the school :eek: They did reassure us that they were learning about all religions & christianity was just the first & it's definitely not forced upon them, but I will be keeping an eye on this for sure. I don't want my son being pigeon-holed into having a religious label on him at 5 years old!!!

[purple is a fruit]

Very true purple.

I had the very same thing last night at parents evening at my sons school. I asked why they were being taught to learn joined up writing at 4-5 years old as I felt this was too hard for them to grasp. Some of the letters they are learning I'd even struggle to write!! Also all the books they learn from & read don't have joined up letters. When I was at school we got taught the basic shape of letters then joined them up when we were a bit older and more familiar. I just feel that this is putting too much pressure on them & helping to keep them dumbed down.

I don't know if you have this in Oz, but they're being taught "jolly phonics" which is a system for learning the alphabet with sounds & movement? I can understand the concept behind it, to make it more appealing, but it's just ANOTHER thing they have to learn, which is more like a stumbling block.

We also put our case across about religion, as he'd come home from school a few weeks ago telling me he was a christian as he went to church with the school :eek: They did reassure us that they were learning about all religions & christianity was just the first & it's definitely not forced upon them, but I will be keeping an eye on this for sure. I don't want my son being pigeon-holed into having a religious label on him at 5 years old!!!

GET THIS

they are teaching preschoolers that a square is in fact a 'special rectangle'
I SHIT YOU NOT!
My 2 year old already knows all her shapes, and this crap would make for much confusion when she reaches that age.....but in her very bolshi fashion (a bit like her mum) she is probably likely to tell the teachers they are mental.
I am considering home schooling her. I don't think the school system would be prepared for what she would teach THEM!:rolleyes:

:D

[tinmenace]

We also put our case across about religion, as he'd come home from school a few weeks ago telling me he was a christian as he went to church with the school They did reassure us that they were learning about all religions & christianity was just the first & it's definitely not forced upon them, but I will be keeping an eye on this for sure. I don't want my son being pigeon-holed into having a religious label on him at 5 years old!!!

Yikes! :eek: They are so impressionable at that age. I find it interesting that they make the important things difficult (like reading, writing and ultimately comprehension skills) but he seemed to grasp quite nicely that "he is Christian". This is very scary, and you might have to deprogram him every night. They are dogmatizing him, because his statement about a church with a school is clearly something either he's given some thought to, or he's been indoctrinated with it, or both. Not good to have him already labeling himself so early. Yikes!

I would worry myself to death if I had children. Seriously! I take my hat off to all the parents that do a good job with their kids because truly I think this is the most difficult thing in the world.

[lookfar]

WTF - a "special rectangle"??? I haven't heard that one before. So what was wrong with the good old square then?

Hehe good to see she's inherited her mums bolshiness - she'll go far :)

Yeah I've also considered home schooling & if things don't improve I will look into it more seriously.

How many kids do you have btw?

[purple is a fruit]

WTF - a "special rectangle"??? I haven't heard that one before. So what was wrong with the good old square then?

Hehe good to see she's inherited her mums bolshiness - she'll go far :)

Yeah I've also considered home schooling & if things don't improve I will look into it more seriously.

How many kids do you have btw?

I have 2 lookfar
my son is 10 and daughter 2
It was really funny the other day when my mum was over....i had to put a band aid (plaster) on my daughters elbow because she had grazed herself.
she announced proudly to grandma... 'look! I have a rectangle on my elbow'
:rolleyes:



was rather cute;)

Purple

[lookfar]

Yikes! :eek: They are so impressionable at that age. I find it interesting that they make the important things difficult (like reading, writing and ultimately comprehension skills) but he seemed to grasp quite nicely that "he is Christian". This is very scary, and you might have to deprogram him every night. They are dogmatizing him, because his statement about a church with a school is clearly something either he's given some thought to, or he's been indoctrinated with it, or both. Not good to have him already labeling himself so early. Yikes!

I would worry myself to death if I had children. Seriously! I take my hat off to all the parents that do a good job with their kids because truly I think this is the most difficult thing in the world.

Yeah it was yikes indeed!! :eek: He hasn't mentioned it since our last discussion, but I thought that if he did insist on being one, then I'd take him to church on a Sunday & make him sit through a whole service & say that's what it means to be christian!!! :) I'm sure that would change his mind.

Hopefully now though the teachers might take heed of what we said & not enforce it so much (well they bloody better!)

[phoenixchilde]

is it really that insulting to a good speller to have to read a post of someone who is maybe not is good in that area?

I wouldn't say that it's insulting, but in a lot of occassions, the spelling and grammar mistakes are so difficult that I can barely understand what the person is trying to say. The worst part of it is that these are the people acting all high and mighty, thinking that better than the people who know how to spell. I don't think it's that much to ask that people make sense when they post an idea.

[lookfar]

I have 2 lookfar
my son is 10 and daughter 2
It was really funny the other day when my mum was over....i had to put a band aid (plaster) on my daughters elbow because she had grazed herself.
she announced proudly to grandma... 'look! I have a rectangle on my elbow'
:rolleyes:


was rather cute;)

Purple

One of each, that's nice :)

Hehe, that's so cute :)

On cue, my little man has just woken up (he must've known I was talking about him!). Gotta go now, take care.

[truthcommission]

I still make spelling mistakes with the spell check built into Firefox :(

When I was a school kid I spent most of my English class outside the door. The reason for this was one day the teacher assigned the class a project concerning the media. He made some remark (which is long forgotten) which I contradicted. He knew I was right because my father was an editor of a newspaper and I had spent many times in a newsroom.

So rather than saying 'yes son you are right' he decided to publicly embarrass me by making me into the class dunce and telling me to stand in the corner. After I 'interrupted' the class again he sent me outside the door. So perhaps I do have some issues with spelling.

[purple is a fruit]

I wouldn't say that it's insulting, but in a lot of occassions, the spelling and grammar mistakes are so difficult that I can barely understand what the person is trying to say. The worst part of it is that these are the people acting all high and mighty, thinking that better than the people who know how to spell. I don't think it's that much to ask that people make sense when they post an idea.


yes sure I understand, but many of these people have great ideas, and have an inability to spell or relay this in a perfectly coherent way.
Is this really their fault? They are as entitled to views and have the ability to think and ponder on concepts alongside the good spellers. They should not be looked down apon because of this.
There are a lot of high and mightly good spellers here also, who are equally as annoying.

How frustrating it must be for them...think about it....they are trying to express something and cannot do it in a way that people can understand. I dont know about you but that would make me go insane, so therefore I do my best to understand what they are saying and try my best to ignore the grammar and spelling problem. We need to be more commpassionate and helpful. Not rude and smug about this issue IMO. These people are simply the result of a system which fails us.

Cheers for your thoughts
Purple

[whitenight639]

Thankyou purple,
I know im in the class of the worst spellers in this forum although this isn't 100% because i was taught pooly, ive got good grades in exams (except maths they never taught me all my times tables at primary school and have suffered with them ever since hence the E in maths) especially science (B) but when i try and spell some words its like a mental block like that song you hear and you know who sung it but it wont come to you. My mum had me do a dyslexia test at secondry school and it was insulting to say the least i was in yr 9 and the words were what you learned in primary school, so i passed and was not treated as dyslexic.

[purple is a fruit]

Thankyou purple,
I know im in the class of the worst spellers in this forum although this isn't 100% because i was taught pooly, ive got good grades in exams (except maths they never taught me all my times tables at primary school and have suffered with them ever since hence the E in maths) especially science (B) but when i try and spell some words its like a mental block like that song you hear and you know who sung it but it wont come to you. My mum had me do a dyslexia test at secondry school and it was insulting to say the least i was in yr 9 and the words were what you learned in primary school, so i passed and was not treated as dyslexic.


And you are in here in this forum, posting and reading and learning,good on you whitenight, The system is a crock and you can see through it at a young age, I find this very pleasing to see!!!:D

You are intelligent and taken seriously in here!! I applaud you;) and I enjoy reading your posts, spelling errors and all.



Purple:)

[limelady]

I agree also. Its not the way its written, its the content that counts.......but

.....I just wanted to mention something here that does bother me in light of what a few young mothers I know have been telling me lately regards what is NOT being taught as basics at school any more.

Most on this forum would agree that to a large degree, once you get past the basics of reading, writing, grammer, comprehension, and basic math etc, 'state' schooling is little more than a system of brainwashing designed to indoctrinate our children with the views the 'system' wishes them to have. Therefore to me, the only REAL worth compulsory schooling ever had was to teach children these most basic and important communication/life skills so they have access to the sort of information and opportunities they wish to avail themselves of for the rest of their lives.

So what's happeng to all these obviously intelligent people who are going through the compulsory schooling system and not coming out the other end with probably the most important education of all? If they're not teaching them basics (reading, writing and math) what the hell are they teaching them for all those years instead? Mind-control 1,2,3 maybe????

It pays to remember that not so long back only the 'chosen' ones (church leaders, the elite, and bloodlinne families, doctors etc) were privy to schooling, and were therefore the only folk who could read, write and understand the teachings that had been passed down through the ages.....not to mention 'current' literature containing understandings about science etc. Therefore the 'people' were basically left in the dark and spoon-fed whatever the elite wanted them to know.... and nothing more. This effectively made the people powerless and ignorant slaves who served the upper echelons of society and lived hard-working lives knowing none of the comforts the 'upper levels' enjoyed.

By putting kids through the current compulsory school system for 10 years or so of 'state programming' only to have them come out the other end of it without a strong grasp of the perhaps the most important aspects of education - comminication skill - being able to read, write, comprehend and relay information to others are actually freedom skills - are the Illuminati controllers effectively taking us back to the the bad old times where the greater populace will be merely dumbed-down, state mind controlled slaves who are kept in the dark and fed shit their entire lives?

I suspect this is EXACTLY what their plan is, therefore it does bother me to see intelligent people struggling with basic language, grammer and spelling skills on this forum. Its just doesn't seem fair, and I feel for them.

If the school 'system' cannot even teach our kids the basics, then why are we sending them there?

Please don't think I am knocking ANYBODY here because I'm all for freedom of speech for all (so keep posting away fols), but will it get to a stage where people will have no freedom of speech because they are being deliberately kept out of the communication loop due to their lack of skills? Even on this forum we can see how easy it is for people to make judgement calls on those who struggle to communicate as sharply as others, and in my opinion this is not fair, even when a pointed out spelling error is only meant in a nice way, as it still serves to humiliate.

As long as people can be understood we should take them just as seriously as anybody else, because whether they can write in a grammatically correct way or not is NO reflection of their true level of intelligence or enlightenment.....it is a reflection of a faulty NWO 'system' we have allowed to take over our lives.

But we can see how people are programmed to maybe think less of those without these skills and I do believe this is quite deliberate too.

Just my thoughts.....sorry about the rave.

[purple is a fruit]

Not a rave Lime

bang on! As I said in an earlier post. My son will come home from school telling me of the 'global warming'problem, well, the version that was spoon fed to him at school, yet he still struggles with some basic concepts of spelling......What is this telling us?

Thank you for that post.
Purple

[truthcommission]

...My son will come home from school telling me of the 'global warming'problem, well, the version that was spoon fed to him at school, yet he still struggles with some basic concepts of spelling......What is this telling us?
The exact same way I was brainwashed in school at an early age not to question authority and if I did I would be punished or publicly humiliated. I struggled for years with fears of being ridiculed so much so that I could hardly speak in front of people. If I was asked to read in front of class I would freeze up and not be able to get a word out. I still find it difficult to this day even though I left school in 1988. Schools don't want free thinkers they want people who can absorb vast amounts of useless facts and regurgitate them at the end and go and be yes men or women for some corporation.

[whitenight639]

Thankyou Limelady and Purple (im glad to hear you get some joy/ information from my posts because most of threads i post on dry up soon after)
From what i can remember of school they didnt blatently teach us BS most of it was believable, but i did A levels for a few months after secondry school and in A level chemistry in particle theory they said forget what we told you in yr 10&11 its actually like this.. everyone was like what!?

Also id like to mention 3 things 1- we had to sit and listern to a vicor every week if it wasnt a vicor it was one of the teachers talking about giving shoe boxes of xmass toys to africans, now excuse me but we never had anyone from other religions in and this wasnt a school affilated to any church, and arnt most africans muslim by magority?

And 2- Not all teachers are bad and teach the curriculum set out, the reason i got a decent grade in science is because i had amazing teachers that you could ask anything and they would sped as long as they could trying to make the concept make sence to you even if it was off topic (id love to ask them about monatomic gold and superconducters now lol they never taught this kind of stuff!)

Also 3- I failed IT because it infact was no such thing, all we did in IT was word proccesing (you can see y i failed!) and datbase/ spreadsheets, no real lessons on hardware or programming! but id loved to have learn that and now i have 4 domain names 1- half ass website and alot of potential.

also check this out its Ruth Kelly former secratary of education who put her kids into private school!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6495191.stm

ohhh another thing i was born in UK and the government set laws all of us are supposed to live by so why do we not get taught any basic laws in schools! they used too back bout 40yrs ago before they went crazy.. yes son the government is the mad men incharge and you do what they say when they say, got that pumpkin?

[purple is a fruit]

The exact same way I was brainwashed in school at an early age not to question authority and if I did I would be punished or publicly humiliated. I struggled for years with fears of being ridiculed so much so that I could hardly speak in front of people. If I was asked to read in front of class I would freeze up and not be able to get a word out. I still find it difficult to this day even though I left school in 1988. Schools don't want free thinkers they want people who can absorb vast amounts of useless facts and regurgitate them at the end and go and be yes men or women for some corporation.

Yes thats right TC
REPEATERS is what David calls them from memory.

People who can just repeat information like robots and never question a thing
So sorry to hear of your struggle! You can and will over come this:)


Purple :)

[xdnax]

I have been reading a lot of threads and looking at how people treat others here in this forum.

On this forum I have noticed on many occasions people posting in threads who have a bit of difficulty with spelling and grammer, yet the posts that they make are full of really awesome and thought provoking information.
There are people on this forum who will jump in and question the 'intelligence' so to speak, of the poster because they have made a few spelling or grammer errors. They use this against the poster to make a mockery of them, in an attempt to belittle them, embarrass them and somewhat persuade other posters here to look at them in a light where what they say has no credibility because they make spelling errors. They get comments like 'have you heard of a spell checker?' etc.

Now from what i have seen on this forum, there are many who have perfect grammer and spelling ability yet try to 'intellectualise' even the most basic concepts, then there are those who make a few typos, incorrectly spell a few words maybe have a few grammer errors along the way, yet make some of the most interesting discussions and points. Many times the come backs of the 'grammer and spelling' experts are a direct insult to the intelligence of a poster due to their lack of ability in this area.

So what exactly is your definition of an intelligent person?
A person who can nail home a point, spelling errors or not, should not have to cop insult from others who deem themselves 'a better person' because they can construct a paragraph correctly. Nor should they be judged.
from my observation, some of the worst spellers have some of the best information.


I feel posters who wish to degrade other posters because they may not be as savvy at constructing a sentence are simply grasping at straws and showing up their own 'lack' of something...... is it really that insulting to a good speller to have to read a post of someone who is maybe not is good in that area? If so well i wonder which of the two really has the bigger issues?

just my thoughts
Purple

PS Excuse any possible bad grammer and spelling errors, I would hate to insult someone.:eek: :cool:

purple

i truly feel you just on the 1st few sentences!!!! i posted a thred that was "pro wrestling and the new world order" and i posted a valid and (in my opinion) good relationship between the two....what did someone reply with?????
"wrestling is soft core gay porn" ....in any other forum i would expect that, but come on, i would assume eveyone here is at least a little open minded!!!

the way i see it, i can spell "dyslexia"....i'll speel howeva i fuckn want 2!!!!
pmpl.
good post. i've been thinkin the same about forums.

[midwich cuckoo]

It's the same with every forum I've been on, me personally, I see no need to belittle others, what matters to me is the info they give, not how they give it. :)

[tinmenace]

...perhaps the most important aspects of education - comminication skill - being able to read, write, comprehend and relay information to others are actually freedom skills - are the Illuminati controllers effectively taking us back to the the bad old times where the greater populace will be merely dumbed-down, state mind controlled slaves who are kept in the dark and fed shit their entire lives?

I suspect this is EXACTLY what their plan is...

Well said indeed. I like that... "Freedom Skills". Yep, I totally think that's what they're doing to us...dumbing us down and keeping us controlled. No doubt in my mind.

Did you see the story about the teacher that was fired for trying to teach critical thinking? In a class about evolution, he presented info on the bible and also about the Nazis (which is relevant to the evolution of man because of Eugenics and Malthusianism). He was trying to spark interest and get their little brains working...presenting conflicting viewpoints and he got fired for it. Unbelievable!

Got fired for teaching them how to think...I still can't get over it!

Here's the link. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/03/20/teacherfired.ap.ap/index.html)

[phoenix1]

I don't type too well,on account of having a messed up right hand,due to an industrial circular saw accident some time back.

However in this case, I have attempted to reply using the correct English Language, without an error.

Actually, after losing my right ring finger completely,with resultant major damage to the other nerves and tendons, if I take my time and don't use swearwords or slang, I can demonstrate a reasonable command of the English language.

So my posts look messy,although I do type with six fingers and two thumbs.
I managed to get an City and Guilds in I.T.

But I am lucky, had I been sawing longer timber that day,about ten years back, I would have lost my arm altogether.

So now, despite the fact I have to take my time to do a tidy post, I often hit the wrong keys.

All said, I am on the "good side" of "bad luck" things could have been have been much worse.

The annoying part, is trying to scratch a finger that's not there.

So never judge a book by the cover, I can still beat my Brother in Law, around our local racetrack at Oulton Park, on a good sunny day with a pair of super sticky BT010s, on a track day at the Alter of Lean.

Any other Bikers in here ??

Phoenix

[truthcommission]

REPEATERS is what David calls them from memory.
Its funny you should say that. Even though school absolutely failed my I still had a career mapped out in journalism the biggest repeaters around.

Even that was short lived. During the Gulf War I decided to challenge the morality of the war with the deputy editor and the papers stance in agreeing with troops refueling in the country I was living in which is supposedly a neutral country.

It ended up in a very heated argument. He tried to attack me and I was bundled out of the newsroom. The next day I was called to the managements office and grilled about my political (spiritual) beliefs. The manager smiled all the way through in what appeared to be agreement.

At the end I half expected him to turn around and say lets all be friends but instead I was given the chop and recommended to a company psychiatrist. I did go to the psychiatrist not because I believed I was crazy but because I wanted to see how far this network of brainwashing extended.

To say I was shocked would be an understatement. But that is a story for another day...

[purple is a fruit]

Its funny you should say that. Even though school absolutely failed my I still had a career mapped out in journalism the biggest repeaters around.

Even that was short lived. During the Gulf War I decided to challenge the morality of the war with the deputy editor and the papers stance in agreeing with troops refueling in the country I was living in which is supposedly a neutral country.

It ended up in a very heated argument. He tried to attack me and I was bundled out of the newsroom. The next day I was called to the managements office and grilled about my political (spiritual) beliefs. The manager smiled all the way through in what appeared to be agreement.

At the end I half expected him to turn around and say lets all be friends but instead I was given the chop and recommended to a company psychiatrist. I did go to the psychiatrist not because I believed I was crazy but because I wanted to see how far this network of brainwashing extended.

To say I was shocked would be an understatement. But that is a story for another day...

WOW

Yes the old 'send em to the shrink' trick.:rolleyes:

good on you for putting up a challenge

I hope to hear the rest of that story at some point
Thanks for sharing

purple

[limelady]

Well said indeed. I like that... "Freedom Skills". Yep, I totally think that's what they're doing to us...dumbing us down and keeping us controlled. No doubt in my mind.

Did you see the story about the teacher that was fired for trying to teach critical thinking? In a class about evolution, he presented info on the bible and also about the Nazis (which is relevant to the evolution of man because of Eugenics and Malthusianism). He was trying to spark interest and get their little brains working...presenting conflicting viewpoints and he got fired for it. Unbelievable!

Got fired for teaching them how to think...I still can't get over it!

Here's the link. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/03/20/teacherfired.ap.ap/index.html)

Thanks for that link tin. Yes, REAL teachers are being prevented from REAL teaching. An old internet friend of mine who now runs this blog http://commonsensecentral.blogspot.com was fired some years back for trying to teach his students information from outside the box. He was a real teacher attempting to teach children how to 'think' rather than merely pumping out to them the limiting program contained within the state provided syllabus......for his trouble (and for caring about his students future wellbeing) he was done away with pronto!

IMO, only a sick system would ensure REAL teachers are silenced.

[tinmenace]

IMO, only a sick system would ensure REAL teachers are silenced.

Right again!

[truthcommission]

I hope to hear the rest of that story at some point
Thanks for sharing

purple
You are welcome. Although I would want to incriminate myself ;)

[phoenix1]

It's the same with every forum I've been on, me personally, I see no need to belittle others, what matters to me is the info they give, not how they give it. :)

Right on target with that Tomsk, it's the information that counts.

To belittle someone, demonstrates a lack of "Class", on the belittler, and not on the belittled.

If someone has a voice, and something to say, then in a thinking forum such as this, they have passed personal tests to get here, and every one deserves that respect at the very least.

The belittler, is little, at best,to say the very least.

Me ?? I have been a bit light the last few days, impact wise, but that doen't last long, I like a break from the hard thinking sometimes.

I got a post on my mind now, but I need to work on it, as it will be unfamiliar to some.

At the moment, its "work in progress"

Coming soon...to a forum not too far from this one.;)

[purple is a fruit]

I don't type too well,on account of having a messed up right hand,due to an industrial circular saw accident some time back.

However in this case, I have attempted to reply using the correct English Language, without an error.

Actually, after losing my right ring finger completely,with resultant major damage to the other nerves and tendons, if I take my time and don't use swearwords or slang, I can demonstrate a reasonable command of the English language.

So my posts look messy,although I do type with six fingers and two thumbs.
I managed to get an City and Guilds in I.T.

But I am lucky, had I been sawing longer timber that day,about ten years back, I would have lost my arm altogether.

So now, despite the fact I have to take my time to do a tidy post, I often hit the wrong keys.

All said, I am on the "good side" of "bad luck" things could have been have been much worse.

The annoying part, is trying to scratch a finger that's not there.

So never judge a book by the cover, I can still beat my Brother in Law, around our local racetrack at Oulton Park, on a good sunny day with a pair of super sticky BT010s, on a track day at the Alter of Lean.

Any other Bikers in here ??

Phoenix

No i'm not a biker but I love tractors (see photo thread LOL) Sorry of your injuries phoenix (you always do make sense though)

half the time when i am replying, I am also tending to a thousand other things, washing, dishes, a demanding two year old, telephone calls,preparing food, all this whilst juggling 4 oranges and spinning a hula hoop on my back foot.(circus music );)

So thats my excuse for any bad spelling or grammar
sheer and utter laziness obviously:rolleyes:

Purple

[i am all i am]

Here are some quotes about education from someone that many believe to be one of the smartest persons of the 20th century.

Albert Einstein
Most teachers waste their time by asking questions which are intended to discover what a pupil does not know, whereas the true art of questioning has for its purpose to discover what the pupil knows or is capable of knowing.

Albert Einstein
Humiliation and mental oppression by ignorant and selfish teachers wreak havoc in the youthful mind that can never be undone and often exert a baleful influence in later life.

Albert Einstein
The aim (of education) must be the training of independently acting and thinking individuals who, however, can see in the service to the community their highest life achievement.

Albert Einstein
One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year.

Albert Einstein
Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Albert Einstein
The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.

Albert Einstein
Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.

Albert Einstein
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.


With LOVE.

[purple is a fruit]

*APPLAUSE*

thanks for the post!!!

[i am all i am]

*APPLAUSE*

thanks for the post!!!

You are most welcome Purple.

Here's a post that I did in Mysteries/Symbolism on Father Ted's thread 'Illuminati play on words'. It sums up my view of the indoctrination (education) system.

Education - teach.
System - scheme of classification or arrangement; network or assembly of parts of the whole.

Possible translation: teaching the individuals their place.


With LOVE.

[phoenixchilde]

Is this really their fault? They are as entitled to views and have the ability to think and ponder on concepts alongside the good spellers. They should not be looked down apon because of this.

Yes, it is their fault. Spelling ability is nothing more than memory. You're just remembering how to spell words. If the school system doesn't teach them, all they have to do is read a book, basic intelligence will take over and they're memorize the spelling. Blame them for spending more time in front of the computer than reading books.

[phoenix1]

No i'm not a biker but I love tractors (see photo thread LOL) Sorry of your injuries phoenix (you always do make sense though)

half the time when i am replying, I am also tending to a thousand other things, washing, dishes, a demanding two year old, telephone calls,preparing food, all this whilst juggling 4 oranges and spinning a hula hoop on my back foot.(circus music );)

So thats my excuse for any bad spelling or grammar
sheer and utter laziness obviously:rolleyes:

Purple

Well Purlple,that's a big lot of stuff to do, go check the pics, see what Big Stuff with 4WD i've had a play with in the past..yeah they are great fun.

Driving them is fun, finding one in a bend with a bale spike on the back at chest height , and me runnin hot at full tilt...is not as much fun LOL.


Er no that ain't lazy P, that's a full time thing ain't it , well I am a carer, clerk, cook,film ripper (so we can watch good TV courtesy of google vids) General, house sorter outer, and whatever really....all this we do eh Purple...and fucking the system at the same time.

No way Lady, you aint no Lazy chick, but you sure are a pretty one, and juggling four oranges,and spinning up a hula hoop on your back foot...now that's considered "class" where I come from.:)

Making sense ?? well not on the Photo thread I wasn't...blown into the weeds a bit there LOL

And the hand is fine now BTW, you get used to it.But I thank you for your kindness.

You went out your way to go do that picture too.Thank you.

Your Cool Purple, and that ain't no lie:cool:

Remain in Light:)

Phoenix

[i_am]

Yes, it is their fault. Spelling ability is nothing more than memory. You're just remembering how to spell words. If the school system doesn't teach them, all they have to do is read a book, basic intelligence will take over and they're memorize the spelling. Blame them for spending more time in front of the computer than reading books.

That, I think, is easier said than done. Reading can be a real chore for some and it doesn't always act as a teacher anyway. I have a friend who reads all the time BUT she still can't spell and gets words arse about face.

I have adult children who are both very good at Math and English, partly because they had a natural aptitude but also because they got lots of help at home with the basics.

My son could not get a handle on fractions/decimals at school the way they were being taught. I sat down with him and explained it the way I knew and within a half hour he said, "Wow! That's really easy." Same person was the class clown. I got called in on one of many occassions and was told that he was a really funny guy but used to take over the class. When I said what a pity they could not harness that energy and turn into something constructive, the teachers reply was that they did not have time for those who did not fit into the mould.

Yes, it is all about being 'repeaters'. If you can't accept that then you are branded as a troublemaker and suspended, expelled, sent out of the room, anything to stop you having a mind of your own and maybe inspiring others to stand up and be counted as well.

The system sux and I think we have to be tolerant of those coming through it with few communication skills. It is not their fault and it is a fact that the ones coming through now have parents who have come through the system with limited skills as well.

I guess they need some help with basics but embarrassing someone on a public forum is not the way to go about it IMHO. We want them to learn. We want them to share their thoughts without the fear of being belittled.

So go you guys. We will work it out. We are not superior we just happened to learn how to read and write before the system decided to dumb everyone down.

[i_am]

We didn't have education. We had inspiration. If I was educated, I'd be a damn fool."

-Bob Marley

[purple is a fruit]

Yes, it is their fault. Spelling ability is nothing more than memory. You're just remembering how to spell words. If the school system doesn't teach them, all they have to do is read a book, basic intelligence will take over and they're memorize the spelling. Blame them for spending more time in front of the computer than reading books.

hmmmm, too much time on a computer .hmmmmm
considering the amount of people around 30 and above who have these spelling difficulties..... i cannot recall having computers in the early 80's myself:confused:

And last I checked, even on a computer one has to read the information presented. Even when playing games, there are always instructions to read.
I know many people with spelling and grammer difficulties who read more books than most. It is just that the program from day one did not cater to the learning needs of that person so therefore very bad habits have become instilled.There are also such things as dyslexia, where the brain processes are different to the like of you and I. These children easily slip through the school system and come out the other end without ANYONE taking the time to address the issues.
So if you are refering to these people as NON intelligent because of some learning difficulties within the bullshit system then it clearly shows you know little about it.

I think you are refusing to take in many points on this thread that have been expressed, in regard to the lacking school system.
Do you have children who are currently attending school? If so you will see how the system has become worse and worse over the years, to the point where many of us are now wondering why we would bother sending them, as they are not learning jack bloody shit.

[truthcommission]

Yes, it is their fault. Spelling ability is nothing more than memory. You're just remembering how to spell words. If the school system doesn't teach them, all they have to do is read a book, basic intelligence will take over and they're memorize the spelling. Blame them for spending more time in front of the computer than reading books.
You should be a teacher. :rolleyes:

You can teach children all about ignorance and prejudice.

[oneofmany]

I still make spelling mistakes with the spell check built into Firefox :(

When I was a school kid I spent most of my English class outside the door. The reason for this was one day the teacher assigned the class a project concerning the media. He made some remark (which is long forgotten) which I contradicted. He knew I was right because my father was an editor of a newspaper and I had spent many times in a newsroom.

So rather than saying 'yes son you are right' he decided to publicly embarrass me by making me into the class dunce and telling me to stand in the corner. After I 'interrupted' the class again he sent me outside the door. So perhaps I do have some issues with spelling.

I had similar experiences at school but without the niceness, the first time I contradicted a teacher, I got the cane, the second time I got suspended. All it taught me was to shut my mouth around the dumb teachers and not to ask questions. I used to show up for high school a staggering three months out of the year, mainly to do my exams and leave. I got through year ten only to tell them I didn't want my leaving certificate because it meant nothing to me. I went on to do carpentry and joinery at tech, of which I attended every class and passed with distinction. I basically taught myself everything I know,(except my trade) just by reading books which Im very proud of, and the biggest benefit of that was, I wasn't indoctrinated into a pattern of thought, and I wasn't tangled up in the "strive to survive" attitude that schoolchildren are infected with. Oh and by the way, this post was not typed with the aid of a spellchecker, so if there are any mistakes, sue me :D

[melbo]

Spelling and grammar has always been fairly easy for me, it was maths I always had trouble with (cosigns and tangents, what was that all about?!) I would never comment on someone's bad grammar or spelling as that is just bad manners, but people who type rude hateful posts (not on this forum of course) deserve all the ridicule they get if they can't spell their insults correctly. Typing in capitals with no punctuation I find annoying though, as that is just laziness and I usually think of them as a teenage boy when they write like that.

[thirdwave]

My spelling and grammer is shite....

but I have never felt stupid because of it, and when people imply I am because of it ..for me it only highlights how stupid they are....

spelling and grammer come from the left brain, which is the machanical side of it. using the right side of the brain does not mean you are stupid, it means its more logical to create than to conform.

when I used to argue with people over at the Goblin Den all I got back was coments on my spelling and grammer, and they would use that as a way of jumping out of the hole they got them selfs into.

Its known that Albert Einstein had spelling and grammer dificulties as well as Many Many creative and artistic people..

[indigo]

My Grammar is shite, but I do agree that people who moan about other peoples bad spelling and grammar are a bit sad IMO. I have been on many forums where a bad speller has made some valid points but gets slated for spelling mistakes:mad: I don't care if people can spell or not as long as I can understand it. Unlike txt spk;)

[Anders Lindman]

The later versions of Firefox have underlining of misspelled words in text areas which I find useful. Grammar is more difficult to check, but I'm trying to learn to be better at it. English is the global language. Swedish is not so global. :D

[thirdwave]

The later versions of Firefox have underlining of misspelled words in text areas which I find useful. Grammar is more difficult to check, but I'm trying to learn to be better at it. English is the global language. Swedish is not so global. :D

i have been useing that but my fire fox started crashing, so now useing opera, which has no spell check :(

[Anders Lindman]

i have been useing that but my fire fox started crashing, so now useing opera, which has no spell check :(

It's convenient to have the spell check but I wonder if perhaps I will learn less with that feature. :confused:

[lumukanda]

tbh, i've never worried much about spelling and grammar, as long as i can make out what's being said it's all good. i used to be a grammar and punctuation nut, but since i've been on the PC, that's all one out the window, but my spelling is generally quite good.

[oneofmany]

Spelling and grammar has always been fairly easy for me, it was maths I always had trouble with (cosigns and tangents, what was that all about?!) I would never comment on someone's bad grammar or spelling as that is just bad manners, but people who type rude hateful posts (not on this forum of course) deserve all the ridicule they get if they can't spell their insults correctly. Typing in capitals with no punctuation I find annoying though, as that is just laziness and I usually think of them as a teenage boy when they write like that.

My trade of carpentry use the math of trigonometry every day to pitch roofs and to check if something is square. Don't take this math for granted, because where you live ( your house ) depends on trigonometry, to stay upright, literally. Maths is an extremely useful tool for a builder.

[garth]

Any other Bikers in here ??

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix, yep, although currently without 2 wheels, but my brother has a Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade, which is bigtime fun. He lost his licence due to to many speeding fines, he is meant to be leaving his bike with me for a while http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif(although I havn't seen it yet!)

[garth]

My trade of carpentry use the math of trigonometry every day to pitch roofs and to check if something is square. Don't take this math for granted, because where you live ( your house ) depends on trigonometry, to stay upright, literally. Maths is an extremely useful tool for a builder.

Hi oneofmany, you a chippie to cool, don't forget Pythagoras as well, very useful http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif

[garth]

Hi all, great thread. My posts can be a bit buggared regarding spelling and grammar, mostly I put it down to this damn dyslexic keyboard, must biff it and get a new one http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif. Maybe its just that my brain works faster than my tradesmans fingers (smashed my left middle finger the other day on my dropsaw, that really stuffed up my typing) and I'm sort of running to catch up.

The interesting thing I find is that even if a post is misspelt, my brain is pretty quick at working out the intent of what is being written, sort of like when you were learning to read "big" books as a kid and you came across a word you didn't understand, you would read on a bit further to see if you could work out the intent of that word. The rest of the text usually explained what was missing.http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif

[truthcommission]

I had similar experiences at school but without the niceness...
I hear ya...

Oh and by the way, this post was not typed with the aid of a spellchecker, so if there are any mistakes, sue me :D
Priceless!

...sort of like when you were learning to read "big" books as a kid and you came across a word you didn't understand, you would read on a bit further to see if you could work out the intent of that word. The rest of the text usually explained what was missing.
That was me all over. I figured if I didn't work out what it was from reading I would store it away and if it came up again soon after it must be an important word and I should learn its meaning.

[garth]

That was me all over. I figured if I didn't work out what it was from reading I would store it away and if it came up again soon after it must be an important word and I should learn its meaning.

Damn tootin, same here. I remember being at high school in an english class, in one of those rare class discussion times (and I mean rare), the teacher asked if we (the pupils) were the teacher what we would do differently. I suggested that instead of having kids remember a whole lot of useless tripe, teach them how to learn themselves, how to find inspiration in the subject matter, use real examples in real time and how to research a subject. Needless to say it went down like lead ballon, in fact I think it went right over her head http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif

[oneofmany]

Hi oneofmany, you a chippie to cool, don't forget Pythagoras as well, very useful http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gifPythagoras is my best buddy:D along with Archamedies,

[phoenix1]

Hi Phoenix, yep, although currently without 2 wheels, but my brother has a Honda CBR 1000RR Fireblade, which is bigtime fun. He lost his licence due to to many speeding fines, he is meant to be leaving his bike with me for a while http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7766/smokingon7.gif(although I havn't seen it yet!)

That' s cool Garth, any Blade is a cool tool eh ? Ive had to sell the last bike, a 1200 tricked up Bandit,same deal as with your brother, for me , lost the Liscence for having mastery of the bike doing big numbers..fuck I have thousand of hot miles and experience on 2 wheels, did trackdays and allsorts on different bikes ive had.

Anyway next up will be something sweet, an old Hayabusa or something, but I fancy a big lumpy VTwin too, an Aprillia maybe, that are nice where I live but not so cool in the towns..cos they are too lumpy really.

Get on the phone to Bruv, and get the too. Hot roads, sticky heaven 45 degree wheelie land.

Only for the super mental eh ! LOL:cool: :) :D

Nice one Garth.

[garth]

That' s cool Garth, any Blade is a cool tool eh ? Ive had to sell the last bike, a 1200 tricked up Bandit,same deal as with your brother, for me , lost the Liscence for having mastery of the bike doing big numbers..fuck I have thousand of hot miles and experience on 2 wheels, did trackdays and allsorts on different bikes ive had.

Anyway next up will be something sweet, an old Hayabusa or something, but I fancy a big lumpy VTwin too, an Aprillia maybe, that are nice where I live but not so cool in the towns..cos they are too lumpy really.



Hey Phoenix, bummer about the licence and gettin rid of the Suzy, bet she was a good old thumper. Yep lumpy V twin...coooool, would love a Buell Lightning XB 12, serious fun, lots of long rural roads here, plenty of room to stretch out, also some nice tight corners, good berms, mostly stuffed surface but ya get used to it. Have had a similar experience coming upon a bale spike on a tractor on a blind corner, two wheel lock up, fair shit me self, but escaped serious harm..phew. But nothin like clear day, open road and go.......dreaming again. Cheers phoenix, hope you get back on two wheels soon.

[Anders Lindman]

Modern technology, today, ab ovo allows for a gamut of corrective actions due to the palimpsest quality of present media. :rolleyes:

[thirdwave]

It's convenient to have the spell check but I wonder if perhaps I will learn less with that feature. :confused:

true, but maybe the spell checks indicate a time when it does not matter if you are a bad speller...so less need to learn :)

[i am all i am]

Is it more important to spell love or to give love ?


With LOVE

[peter19]

spot on iam all i am. i havent read the full pages but just to some up somethings, - people who say the schools indoctrinate the kids then also can have ago and say if you dont spell, you are "stupid". when course thats not the case spelling is like anything else you can lean, if you learn it well and it flows with you, you will be good at it. if not, then oh well. aslong as you can get your point across is mostly what matters. not checking yourself and watching how you come across.

in schoos we should teach people how to think for themselves, to questons what is taught, to want to learn more and to live more. not in my oppinion learn algabra or something. learn people how to live, and its like for me what school as done as made it were not only do you have to try to learn things yourself, but because of certain things at school/indoctrination centres you start allready in a semi ditch what you have, and they have helped too put you in.

school should be liveing, have fun, be happy and relaxing.

[i am all i am]

spot on iam all i am. i havent read the full pages but just to some up somethings, - people who say the schools indoctrinate the kids then also can have ago and say if you dont spell, you are "stupid". when course thats not the case spelling is like anything else you can lean, if you learn it well and it flows with you, you will be good at it. if not, then oh well. aslong as you can get your point across is mostly what matters. not checking yourself and watching how you come across.

in schoos we should teach people how to think for themselves, to questons what is taught, to want to learn more and to live more. not in my oppinion learn algabra or something. learn people how to live, and its like for me what school as done as made it were not only do you have to try to learn things yourself, but because of certain things at school/indoctrination centres you start allready in a semi ditch what you have, and they have helped too put you in.

school should be liveing, have fun, be happy and relaxing.

Thanks Peter19.

Welcome to the forum.

Knowledge should be a self-determined course that each individual chooses.


With LOVE.

[indigo]

spot on iam all i am. i havent read the full pages but just to some up somethings, - people who say the schools indoctrinate the kids then also can have ago and say if you dont spell, you are "stupid". when course thats not the case spelling is like anything else you can lean, if you learn it well and it flows with you, you will be good at it. if not, then oh well. aslong as you can get your point across is mostly what matters. not checking yourself and watching how you come across.

in schoos we should teach people how to think for themselves, to questons what is taught, to want to learn more and to live more. not in my oppinion learn algabra or something. learn people how to live, and its like for me what school as done as made it were not only do you have to try to learn things yourself, but because of certain things at school/indoctrination centres you start allready in a semi ditch what you have, and they have helped too put you in.

school should be liveing, have fun, be happy and relaxing.
Well said. But like I said before it doesn't bother me if people can spell or not, but surely people should be taught better to spell. I can understand if people are dyslexic or whatever. I think I would be frustrated if i couldn't spell properly. However it doesn't bother me if people can't. What annoys me more than anything though is when people point it out sarcasticly(sp) lol

[sidlittle]

He he he he :D
I had to put the spelling error in the title to grab the attention of those who I was refering to :) Thanks for taking the bait,i was unsure just how long it would take:p

Oh I love it:rolleyes:

Purple

and i suppose 'cirriculum' was just a cunning trap too? :rolleyes:

































;) :D

[truthcommission]

Modern technology, today, ab ovo allows for a gamut of corrective actions due to the palimpsest quality of present media. :rolleyes:
Quite...

[purple is a fruit]

and i suppose 'cirriculum' was just a cunning trap too? :rolleyes:






































;) :D

No in fact that was a genuine typo. :eek: Well, bowl me over and call me skippy.
I will slap myself around a bit with a wet fish.;)

Purple

PS: did you get any further through the thread than that?

[i am all i am]

No in fact that was a genuine typo. :eek: Well, bowl me over and call me skippy.
I will slap myself around a bit with a wet fish.;)

Purple

PS: did you get any further through the thread than that?

Quick Skippy, we have to find Sonny, c'mon, find Sonny...that's it Skip...everyone follow Skippy !!!

You're such a legend Skippy.


With LOVE.

[purple is a fruit]

Quick Skippy, we have to find Sonny, c'mon, find Sonny...that's it Skip...everyone follow Skippy !!!

You're such a legend Skippy.


With LOVE.


nice one:D

[i am all i am]

No in fact that was a genuine typo. :eek: Well, bowl me over and call me skippy.
I will slap myself around a bit with a wet fish.;)

Purple

PS: did you get any further through the thread than that?

Quick Skippy, we have to find Sonny, c'mon, find Sonny...that's it Skip...everyone follow Skippy !!!

You're such a legend Skippy.

And you found Sonny, well done Skippy !!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/images/173/skippy.jpg

Time for a family photo, whatta ya think Skip ? tsst..tsst..tsst ! Alrighty, here we go.

http://www.momofreaksout.com/media/2/20050330-skippy.jpg

With LOVE.

[cheeb]

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Raed Tihs ,yuor Mnid Amtuoacitllay Ptus The Wdors In Odrer.

[phoenixchilde]

It is just that the program from day one did not cater to the learning needs of that person so therefore very bad habits have become instilled.There are also such things as dyslexia, where the brain processes are different to the like of you and I. These children easily slip through the school system and come out the other end without ANYONE taking the time to address the issues.

Speak for yourself. The schools I went through did address specific issues with individual children. Here in Ontario, it was discovered long ago that learning disabilities can be overcome if addressed properly, and on an individual basis.

So if you are refering to these people as NON intelligent because of some learning difficulties within the bullshit system then it clearly shows you know little about it.

I think you are refusing to take in many points on this thread that have been expressed, in regard to the lacking school system.

Does it occur to you that the school system in my country is different than the one in yours? If you live in the US, than the problem is obvious. It's well known that the American education system hasn't taught spelling in ages. It's believed that teaching a child how to spell, stiffles creativity. You can thank all the liberal weinies for that one. Thankfully, here in Canada, that BS has been shot down repeatedly. Here, people are taught how to spell, and that's why you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian educated adult who has difficulty spelling.

Do you have children who are currently attending school? If so you will see how the system has become worse and worse over the years, to the point where many of us are now wondering why we would bother sending them, as they are not learning jack bloody shit.

No, in fact I'm a young person who's friends are also young people, who just came out of the school system, and have first hand, not second hand observations about that school system. You can judge based on what your child goes through, but my friends and I will judge based on what we saw, and what we went through.

[markhowie]

Aloha all

here in france people are always pulling me up on my spelling, prononciation and alot realy dont accept inventid words
(i recon there jellous)
thank you the long necks

the example with the wee ones at skool is for me all about calendars.. the gregorien "quantity" one
where a s real time is quallity time

@+ mark
love to all that is

[purple is a fruit]

Speak for yourself. The schools I went through did address specific issues with individual children. Here in Ontario, it was discovered long ago that learning disabilities can be overcome if addressed properly, and on an individual basis.



Does it occur to you that the school system in my country is different than the one in yours? If you live in the US, than the problem is obvious. It's well known that the American education system hasn't taught spelling in ages. It's believed that teaching a child how to spell, stiffles creativity. You can thank all the liberal weinies for that one. Thankfully, here in Canada, that BS has been shot down repeatedly. Here, people are taught how to spell, and that's why you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian educated adult who has difficulty spelling.



No, in fact I'm a young person who's friends are also young people, who just came out of the school system, and have first hand, not second hand observations about that school system. You can judge based on what your child goes through, but my friends and I will judge based on what we saw, and what we went through.

Well it's great to see that in some countries these learning difficulties have been addressed individually. You would be in the minority.
Yes it is clear anywhere that learning difficulties can be overcome if addressed properly. The problem I am trying to point out is that in many countries they are simply 'not' being addressed at all.

No I do not live in the US. I live in Australia.

My experiences with my son are not what I would call 'second hand' as I have had much to do with the school system( been through it myself also) and have thoroughly researched it through and through. As a parent it is clear to see how the current system is seriously failing our children.

I am pleased to hear that Canada is up with the play when it comes to spelling and grammer. You must all feel like a really bright and intelligent bunch of people in the position (of course) to judge other who have been less fortunate than yourself.

The point I have been trying to make is that just because someone may not be able to spell brilliantly, it does not make them stupid. in fact many of the most interesting and what I would consider intelligent people I have ever known have been the worst spellers on the planet. it would be a very arrogant and ignorant place to be to judge a person purely on their ineptness in this area, considering that the school system they went through may not have catered to their individual needs, when it comes to learning and processing information. The brain is like a computer, but not all operating systems and hard drives are the same. We all differ. If the incorrect information is fed into it, it will not process properly nor come to the desired outcome.

Purple

[purple is a fruit]

This is interesting....... It seems Canadians are not at the top of the pecking order after all and there is obviously equally as many failings in your schooling system as their is ours and many other countries in the world. Many come through these systems quite literate and have no problems, but it is the 45% who ARE NOT that concerns me.

There are a number of reasons why some people have very limited reading and writing skills. These often stem from obstacles people face growing up, like a lack of access to education or an unrecognised or untreated learning difficulty. (not to mention building blocks obviously deliberately lacking)


Illiteracy in Australia affects a lot of people. A survey conducted in 2000 found that about 45% of Australians have poor literacy skills. This means the affected people struggle with things like reading a parking ticket or a TV guide.


The Australian Bureau of Statistics found that the rate of literacy in Australia is lower than Sweden, about equal with Canada, and higher that the United States.
http://www.actnow.com.au/Issues/Illiteracy.aspx

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/90a12181d877a6a6ca2568b5007b861c/bfd04bc26f519800ca2569de002539e9

[limelady]

Yes, illiteracy is most definitely a world-wide phenomena, and as a clinical nutritionist I'd like to point out a possible reason for this that nobody has addressed as yet, as I don't believe the school system can be blamed for a childs lack of ability to think and reason in a normal manner.

We are what we eat! As such, kids being fed a steady diet of junk food and non-nutritious, additive laden processed foods and beverages are less likely to succeed at school due to their lack of healthy brain functioning. Many kids arrive at school having had no breakfast, or having been fed a lovely big bowl of sugary Fruit Loops (or some other disgusting processed non-food which passes for breakfast), and a lunchbox packed with processed crap, and then people wonder why kids are not managing to concentrate and absorb information at school!

Studies have shown that 'slow learners' or kids with behavioral problems that empede the learning process, show dramatic improvement in all areas of functionality when they are given a wholesome, nutritious diet and potentially toxic chemical food additives are removed from their diet.

The reason for improvement in all areas of a child's life when a diet is changed for the better is because the brain uses an enormous amount of energy for thinking. A brain starved of energy (lack of nutrition) cannot think! This energy the brain needs can only be obtained by consuming nutrient laden foods or supplemental foods which supply the energy.

In a nut shell, if you put crap in you'll get crap out.

If you want a kid to do well (regardless of the faulty education system), feed the kid food the brain can use.

Pretty simple really isn't it?

[whitenight639]

I hear you limlady and i was always with headaches at school i later found out this was because i never drunk enough and was de-hydrated, i maybe diabetic i dunno but i need alot of water to stay alert i found this out at work. also lack of sleep never helped, if i have no obligations i natrually sllep during the day i dont think this is a disorder i just know this is how i was made, its a pain in the ass but iv got to live with feeling shit all day and alive at night. unless you can think of somthing dietry that could affect me? iv heard rice helps melatonin levels and helps you sleep? i just think i was made for a different climate? anyway limelady did you hear about the plastic lunch boxes with high levels of lead in the usa? there not looking after kids nowadays, anything to save money, the drink vimto was found to have no extra vitamin C when it states it has vit C on the bottle (but in reality that stuff is poison it has sweetner saccarin and other chemicals) if i had kids they wouldnt have any sweetners and would be eating lots of veg and fish ect.

anyway this is a pissedup half-rant!

love you all!

[Anders Lindman]

Pretty simple really isn't it?

It's a bit more complicated than that. Nutrition is only one part of the whole picture. Stress is another major cause of disease. This means that even with perfect nutrition, stress can easily break down the brain and the body.

Another more speculative idea that I have is that consciousness is the real master, and when mental and emotional blocks are removed, consciousness will create an energy field that will make brain and body super healthy regardless of whatever junk food one eats. But don't try this at home kids. :)

[limelady]

Anders Lindman;23077] It's a bit more complicated than that. Nutrition is only one part of the whole picture. Stress is another major cause of disease. This means that even with perfect nutrition, stress can easily break down the brain and the body.

Naturally if a child is stressed due to conditions in the home life, well then yes, this will certainly have a bearing on a childs ability to learn, and you are right, stress does deplete nutritional levels.

Another more speculative idea that I have is that consciousness is the real master, and when mental and emotional blocks are removed, consciousness will create an energy field that will make brain and body super healthy regardless of whatever junk food one eats. But don't try this at home kids.

Yes, I couldn't agree more. Consciousness IS the real master, and when you have control over it you CAN program your body to do well on whatever you want to feed it. However, we're talking here about kids who know nothing of such things, and are therefore at the mercy of parents who equally know nothing (or perhaps care little) about the association between healthy, smart kids and feeding them proper 'brain' food.

I acknowledge that nutrition is ONLY part of a much greater problem with regard to education, but when kids are having a struggle at school, the first place to start would be to look at their diet. Even the learning ability and behavioural problems associated with severely ADHD aflicted children can be greatly improved with a nourishing diet that avoids all additives and prcessed food. The changes reported in some of these children and teens is truely remarkable, yet 9 times out of 10 the family doctor will prescribe Ritilan for a mental/health problem that has its base in nutritional deficienty along with surger and chemical overload.

[i am all i am]

The 'ancients' used to refer to 'signs in nature'. That is, a food looks like a particular part within the physical body throught its shape, and is therefore good for that part of the body. An example is the walnut, it has a hard outer shell (the skull), four parts inside it (the brain), and has been found by scientists to contain an oil that improves synapses between the left and right lobes of the brain. Another example is the carrot. When you cut the carrot cross-ways, you can see a circle inside another circle, exactly like the eye. Once again science has now shown beta carotine in the carrot is beneficial for eye-sight.

1 part walnut
1 part cashew
1 part macadamia
1 part rolled oats

This is great for mental enhancment. In other words, it will help to make you 'smarter', or more efficient mentally.

I agree with you Limelady. Food, the way we feed our body, has a major contributing role in the vibrational frequency that we give out, and therefore, what we attract into our experience. The body is a 'chemical facotry', in the sense that it is continually forming a new balance of chemicals that is intaken or created within the body. This 'chemical balance' is the vibrational frequency that we give off to create our physical experience, and therefore, the way in which we control this 'chemical balance' can be determined by the choices that we make. So, choosing an input of chemicals (foods) that are beneficial for the functioning of the body is an important factor in creating that which we personally choose to experience.


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

However, we're talking here about kids who know nothing of such things, and are therefore at the mercy of parents who equally know nothing (or perhaps care little) about the association between healthy, smart kids and feeding them proper 'brain' food.


Yes, I would not even risk eating only junk food myself. Using mind power is an interesting possibility, but it's a bit difficult to test. One has to be serious enough to practice mind power and at the same time not abandon traditional methods for health.

And isn't it true that with correct nutrition and physical exercise that one becomes more resilient to stress plus gets more energy and better sleep and so on? So I wouldn't recommend kids stuffing themselves with bad food and playing video games all day.

In addition to nutrition there may also be higher and lower social energy vibrations in food. An example of higher social vibration is the fairtrade concept: http://www.fairtrade.net/

[phoenixchilde]

Some great observations there Limelady. Spelling is simply a matter of memory, and since memory is dependent on the physical brain, I can certainly believe that it would suffer greatly from malnutrition. When I was young, school cafeterias were always full of students bringing home made lunches. Now, if I go to a fast food joint during lunch hour, it's full of high school kinds. I'm left wondering, don't their parents care about their health? No wonder kids are so dumb these days. What worries me more is that children aren't allowed to bring anything to school with peanuts in it. Peanuts are incredibly healthy, especially for the brain.

It's great to see a nutritionist who's thinking free. Do me a favour, invent an energy bar that's nutritious, and tastes good.

[sean]

I tihnk taht i hvae a petrry good garsp of sepllnig and gamemr.

[purple is a fruit]

I tihnk taht i hvae a petrry good garsp of sepllnig and gamemr.

nice one Sean:rolleyes: :p

[limelady]

Some great observations there Limelady. Spelling is simply a matter of memory, and since memory is dependent on the physical brain, I can certainly believe that it would suffer greatly from malnutrition. When I was young, school cafeterias were always full of students bringing home made lunches. Now, if I go to a fast food joint during lunch hour, it's full of high school kinds. I'm left wondering, don't their parents care about their health? No wonder kids are so dumb these days. What worries me more is that children aren't allowed to bring anything to school with peanuts in it. Peanuts are incredibly healthy, especially for the brain.

It's great to see a nutritionist who's thinking free. Do me a favour, invent an energy bar that's nutritious, and tastes good.

Hi phoenixchilde - thanks for your response :)

I think the ideal snack-bar has already been invented......this one would get my tick of approval. Check out the following....

Finally, you have a truly healthy choice when it comes to energy, meal replacement and snack bars. The new CocoaCassava™ Bar is a nutritional masterpiece packed with a perfect balance of:

* Proven energy-enhancing nutrients (to keep you going strong all day long) ...

* Healthy proteins and fats for your overall health ...

* Very low sugar content (to keep your blood glucose stable) ...

* Abundant fiber to promote intestinal regularity ...

* Delicious taste (for your own mini tropical vacation in a bar) ...

Along with CocoaCassava™'s 3 superfoods -- Fresh Shores Coconut Oil, Whey Healthier whey protein, and the energizing chia seeds -- you'll also find delectable dark chocolate and shredded coconut in each scrumptious bar. Even more importantly, you won't find the unhealthy ingredients found in many other common so-called energy or protein bars. More information ...

Just a pity they are so darn expensive! :eek:

One Box of CocoaCassava™ Bars (12 Bars)
Just $28.75!

see: http://www.mercola.com/store.htm

[pollock]

oh, that, sounds just delicious!

F

[i am all i am]

Here's a site with organic food bars.

http://www.veganessentials.com/catalog/organic-vegan-food-bar.htm

These are the ingredients of one of the bars that they have.

Ingredients: Organic Almond Butter, organic date paste, organic agave nectar, organic brown rice protein, organic bio sprouts - flax, organic raisins, organic bio sprouts - quinoa, organic sesame seeds


With LOVE.

[limelady]

Indeed! IAAIA

They sound VERY healthy snack bars....something I would heartily endorse!!

[thirdwave]

Is it more important to spell love or to give love ?


With LOVE



giving and making love are much more important :D

allthough its the word like "anthetamins" or "tranquilizers" I have problems with :)

[mada88]

I have been reading a lot of threads and looking at how people treat others here in this forum.

On this forum I have noticed on many occasions people posting in threads who have a bit of difficulty with spelling and grammer, yet the posts that they make are full of really awesome and thought provoking information.
There are people on this forum who will jump in and question the 'intelligence' so to speak, of the poster because they have made a few spelling or grammer errors. They use this against the poster to make a mockery of them, in an attempt to belittle them, embarrass them and somewhat persuade other posters here to look at them in a light where what they say has no credibility because they make spelling errors. They get comments like 'have you heard of a spell checker?' etc.

Now from what i have seen on this forum, there are many who have perfect grammer and spelling ability yet try to 'intellectualise' even the most basic concepts, then there are those who make a few typos, incorrectly spell a few words maybe have a few grammer errors along the way, yet make some of the most interesting discussions and points. Many times the come backs of the 'grammer and spelling' experts are a direct insult to the intelligence of a poster due to their lack of ability in this area.

So what exactly is your definition of an intelligent person?
A person who can nail home a point, spelling errors or not, should not have to cop insult from others who deem themselves 'a better person' because they can construct a paragraph correctly. Nor should they be judged.
from my observation, some of the worst spellers have some of the best information.


I feel posters who wish to degrade other posters because they may not be as savvy at constructing a sentence are simply grasping at straws and showing up their own 'lack' of something...... is it really that insulting to a good speller to have to read a post of someone who is maybe not is good in that area? If so well i wonder which of the two really has the bigger issues?

just my thoughts
Purple

PS Excuse any possible bad grammer and spelling errors, I would hate to insult someone.:eek: :cool:

purple

I can't spell never have been able to, Its nice to see mistakes and bad grammer and bad spelling because it looks more human than robotic. And so what If people can't spell or use bad grammer it has nothing to do with intelligence. Unless you are soooo driven by getting praise from your work like a good little show pony.

[oneofmany]

children aren't allowed to bring anything to school with peanuts in it. Peanuts are incredibly healthy, especially for the brain.

This happened in Australia because a child died at school after being fed peanut butter after the school was alerted that the child concerned was allergic to peanuts. Why was this child force fed peanuts? and why weren't the teachers involved charged with murder?
there is a bigger agenda here

[phoenixchilde]

I can't spell never have been able to, Its nice to see mistakes and bad grammer and bad spelling because it looks more human than robotic. And so what If people can't spell or use bad grammer it has nothing to do with intelligence. Unless you are soooo driven by getting praise from your work like a good little show pony.

If you're bad at spelling, how did you type an entire paragraph with only one spelling mistake?

[phoenixchilde]

This happened in Australia because a child died at school after being fed peanut butter after the school was alerted that the child concerned was allergic to peanuts. Why was this child force fed peanuts? and why weren't the teachers involved charged with murder?
there is a bigger agenda here

The important question is why are there supposedly fatal peanut allergies everywhere now, when 10 years ago it was unheard of? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

[limelady]

The important question is why are there supposedly fatal peanut allergies everywhere now, when 10 years ago it was unheard of? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

When I was researching something else, I came across a reference to a peanut derivative being used to suspend vaccine preparations......the ones babies get!!! This is the most likely reason for the allergy.....the immune system of people who have had these vaccines as babies are having problems because their immune system is treating the common peanut as the enemy combatant (like a bacteria) therefore sets up an allergic reaction in its attempt to contain the "peanut".

I've heard earlier vaccines used something from the whites of chickens eggs to do the same thing, hence so many people being allergic to eggs.

Then of course there's the thinmersol (mercury) which causes autism and other brain and immune problems.

Go figure the mentality (or the evil) behind all this this then!

[oneofmany]

The important question is why are there supposedly fatal peanut allergies everywhere now, when 10 years ago it was unheard of? Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

This doesn't mean that it didn't exist, only that the media hadn't brought it to our attention yet. I could say the same in this country (Australia) about children being malled by big dogs, The media love to sell that shit to us, It's all scare tactics

[paganus]

I tihnk taht i hvae a petrry good garsp of sepllnig and gamemr.
apparently as lnog as the frist and lsat lterets are in pacle, its undrestandalbe! :eek:

[kweli]

i truly feel you just on the 1st few sentences!!!! i posted a thred that was "pro wrestling and the new world order" and i posted a valid and (in my opinion) good relationship between the two....what did someone reply with?????
"wrestling is soft core gay porn" ....in any other forum i would expect that, but come on, i would assume eveyone here is at least a little open minded!!!

the way i see it, i can spell "dyslexia"....i'll speel howeva i fuckn want 2!!!!
pmpl.
good post. i've been thinkin the same about forums.

I would have been really interested in your thread, (it's something I do know quite a bit about :eek:) Do you know where I might find it?

I totally agree with what purple and others are saying. Pouncing on people for lack of grammar or spelling mistakes is a form of bullying in my opinion. I'm a member of another forum (nothing to do with truthseeking) that's much much worse than this place. The forum users are mainly male, from the ages of 13 - 30 and they're absolutely merciless. The end result is that the ones deemed 'thick' 'dumb' etc, stop posting. It's a bloody shame!

[danielg]

I have had direct experience with this via my son. he was struggling in year 3 (he is now in year 6) with some of the most basic concepts...eg vowels. Why?
because this had not been taught to him. Yes you read correctly.
How is one meant to build a house without the foundations laid?
children are struggling and this is totally deliberate.
I don't mean to question your parenting, but surely your sole responsibility in being a parent is to equipe your child with the intellectual ability to meet the basic standards required at his school? Once we assume it is the states role, in teaching the basics, or foundations, then it is a slippery slope towards where we are now heading.