An "army" of hundreds of police raid London street

[steevo]

Raid on street in crime crackdown

Hundreds of police officers raided 19 premises on a London street as part of a crackdown on crime.
Some 600 officers sealed off part of Blackstock Road in north London to carry out the raid on Thursday.

Surveillance showed evidence of drug dealing, the sale of stolen goods and a trade in forged documents, police said.

Earlier, 500 officers raided 37 addresses across the country, as far north as Leeds. There have been more than 70 arrests in the two operations

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[beldazar]

Fuck! That is really scary, I saw on the telly not long ago, the cops entering premises for the same excuse, they even bulldosed a house down! It really isnt necessary sending so many in, they enter aggressively, weapons poised.
There are also innocent people living there and even those that arent, its so uncalled for! Those idiotic police must realise that their family and friends will get the same treatment. Funny how the bbc only showed the interviews from the people who thought it was a good idea! :mad:
This is all to invoke fear i reckon, it will be a test of faith for me to see all those bully boys entering my home.

[steevo]

Fuck! That is really scary, I saw on the telly not long ago, the cops entering premises for the same excuse, they even bulldosed a house down! It really isnt necessary sending so many in, they enter aggressively, weapons poised.
There are also innocent people living there and even those that arent, its so uncalled for! Those idiotic police must realise that their family and friends will get the same treatment. Funny how the bbc only showed the interviews from the people who thought it was a good idea! :mad:
This is all to invoke fear i reckon, it will be a test of faith for me to see all those bully boys entering my home.

They wear helmets cos they probably arent normal coppers. I'm guessing that they may be a specially trained army not unlike Blackwater but that is just my guess. It wouldnt surprise me if special American forces are gonna be sent here in the very near future to "police" our streets because it's it's not gonna be THAT easy to find British people who agree with the police state once the mass awakening happens.
I heard somewhere that the Americans are training Czechs to do a role like Blackwater in America (dont ask me for a link cos I dont know where I saw it now, it might have been via Alex Jones).

[himram abif]

If the EU gets its way we will have a EU police force now do you think in such a system there will be british police on our streets or police from another (former) nation. It will be the same all over the superstate.

[kweli]

Fuck! That is really scary, I saw on the telly not long ago, the cops entering premises for the same excuse, they even bulldosed a house down! It really isnt necessary sending so many in, they enter aggressively, weapons poised.
There are also innocent people living there and even those that arent, its so uncalled for! Those idiotic police must realise that their family and friends will get the same treatment. Funny how the bbc only showed the interviews from the people who thought it was a good idea! :mad:
This is all to invoke fear i reckon, it will be a test of faith for me to see all those bully boys entering my home.

I reckon the same B, systematic desensitisation of what's to come - -Europol!

Thanks for posting steevo.

[beldazar]

well that would explain that part i suppose. On the headlines page today, a traffic warden was told by his policeman friend that some horrendous events will befall us. Im going to get my tent sorted out, but then i dont suppose that will help, im sure they will find me and my boys, looks like valium will come in handy, they arent gonna get a feast off my fear!
Ah! Is that it i wonder? They need more strength so they need fear for that? Makes you think.........:confused:

[steevo]

If the EU gets its way we will have a EU police force now do you think in such a system there will be british police on our streets or police from another (former) nation. It will be the same all over the superstate.

Yes that is what I think is probably their plan. The same in America. They will get Canadian soldiers to police American streets and vice versa.

Once the global One World government is in place, there will no more "war criminals".
For example a European State will have Polish policing the British, Dutch policing the Germans etc etc and this will create MASSIVE conflict and hatred which is required to keep the ONE nation divided and ruled.

[himram abif]

Agreed and what a totally shite state of affairs it is. The thing is the majority of people think the EU is a good idea!!!!! Only when we have no choices left will people realise the fucked up truth. Will it be to late??


AHH sod it im off to get my tent to.

[daveashe]

Cmon, they're just police - doing their job mate!

[beldazar]

yeah and one thing to add, the cop that was interviewed mentioned those who had bought stolen goods, who HASNT bought stolen goods eh? :mad:
(I know there must be some people who havent, but you know what i mean)

[steevo]

Cmon, they're just police - doing their job mate!

Thanks for your opinion on that daveashe.

[beldazar]

he was only joking :D
(i think)

[jimmi]

My partner and I had just been talking about this after seeing the story in the paper, those poor men in the uniforms and helmets really need our love at this time ! think how lucky WE are at the moment , we know what's happening but they haven't got a clue about how much they are already being used and abused ! They are our brothers and sisters and we should forgive them .

'For they know not what they do.'

[beldazar]

good post jimmi, thanks for that. I dont feel so angry now

[kallista]

It's has become the same in Spain over the last couple of years. Where I live there is virtually no street crime or burglary and most people are pretty chilled, yet the local police now have exactly the same riot squad attire.
I went to see the Meteors last year at a small open air organised gig and the police riot squad showed up even though there was blatently nothing to do. When people started moshing they organised a snatch squad and started pulling people out of the crowd for dancing. It was ridiculous and you could tell they were practising for something bigger.

[Mo0n5tar]

I can see what people mean when they say war on drugs is a war on the poor, many of these people who were raided are most probably driven to crime and drug dealing in order to keep above the breadline, but no let's harass em and give em a dawn raid cause they're breakin the law.

It sounds to me like TPTB are saying; "look we don't mind you struggling yer ass off to make ends meet, but try and get rich without cutting us in, and we'll lock you up in a cage"..

[jimmi]

and thanks for the thanks ,I've got tears streaming down my face, by fuck we need to learn to love each other quick.

[critical_analysis]

Interesting thread.
I do kind of agree that in a sense they are just doing their job, it is true there are many reasons to find yourself involved in crime but it is still crime and something that needs controlling for the greater good. There is obviously another issue with the reasons people feel they have no other option than to take this route (in some cases).

I agree with the posts regarding the future of policing. I was thinking about this the other day, how can British police (who are basically no different from any of us for the most part) take part in what we see coming. You can picture police being shipped in from places like Eastern Europe, having experienced a very different life and having no direct connection, it is easier to imagine them having a less sympathetic approach to their work.

[diamond dogs]

I have been told that they have used actors alongside real Police for this kind of 'police showing' and I have watched the Vid and my estimate in the footage is between 50-60 'police' in 'uniform' (ex BG Boiler suits) It is obviously a scare tactic and prob paving the way for when/if they introduce the European Force.

I had to laugh at them and we should all do the same then they would see what a bunch of pillocks they look :o:o

[adzboarder]

I have been told that they have used actors alongside real Police for this kind of 'police showing' and I have watched the Vid and my estimate in the footage is between 50-60 'police' in 'uniform' (ex BG Boiler suits) It is obviously a scare tactic and prob paving the way for when/if they introduce the European Force.

I had to laugh at them and we should all do the same then they would see what a bunch of pillocks they look :o:o

Yeah lets do what they do in V - if we are ALL wearing the same uniform it will switch from being a police force to being a police farce!

[beldazar]

what a brilliant idea :D

[grannymoose]

now how come they can waste all that time and get loosey dam ipods when bloody yobs fill our street on courners, what a dam waste, i,m tierd of this dump , now i know why it took 2 weeks for a police officer to come round when my eldest was asulted, dam looser!

[pri01]

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Are these military police? They all have MP on their helmets as well as 2 other letters.

[steevo]

Are these military police? They all have MP on their helmets as well as 2 other letters.

I noticed that too and I think that it stands for Metropolitan Police but maybe that's what they maybe want us to assume, I dont know for sure.

[steevo]

It looks to me like this is the start of marshall law and maybe that "MP" DOES stand for Millitary Police ? How can we check for sure ? If they were normal police then they would be in police uniforms. But like someone has already said maybe those uniforms are to keep us in fear of terrorism or maybe both apply.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03/PolicePA_450x300.jpg

[diamond dogs]

Yeah lets do what they do in V - if we are ALL wearing the same uniform it will switch from being a police force to being a police farce!

I agee top idea...Will contact British Gas and get some old Blue (FM fav Col) BG Boiler Suits and we should wear Bob The Builder hats to show what a Police Farce they are :):)

[beldazar]

Pmsl!

[beldazar]

ive just heard the local news, over 100 cops have done the same in torbay, bristol and exeter, over 50 arrests made, shit! What about the kids? You cant say there were no kids there! :mad:

[gnostic1]

As grateful as I Am to Mr Icke for hosting this site I question this article as perhaps more 'fear' than 'truth'. Why? Where is the source? Where is the sincerity of the journalist who wrote this..or.. sadly, is this another 'snippet' from a Jeff Rense article in which only fear, mayhem and rage are promoted. The zionist website hosted by Peggy Kane utterly destroys Mr Icke David though, so I know intuitively know that there is a desire for truth 'here', and this is a credit to you dear ones who keep this forum active.
People who bitch and cry without proposing solutions are just as much a part of the problem as the fools who think that blue police uniform makes them somehow imune to karma. Here in the vichy state of Israel called Canada the police don't need to bludgeon anyone because, sadly, my people are conditioned to talk about three things... hockey...hockey and..oh yes... hockey.
My solution is to usurp them all by forming a World Government Party by way of a petition that will collapse this government and reinstate it with civilian control and NO SECRET SOCIETY members.
http://wgpoc.blogspot.com.
.I have a 'second' for the Canadian War Crimes Petition now from the Chinese-Asian community..but alas I must now wait for the 'writ' to be dropped for a Federal Elcetion..which brings my point back around full-circle to this article posted today about an upcoming military event that will naturally give my hopeless marshmallow of a Prime Minister the opportunity to declare himself a god-king-Caligula..Nevertheless today I persist and two more local residents have joined my political party...I will need 75% of the votors to sign this into constitutional law.. But Lau Tsu was ever-so correct to say that every journey begins with a first step.. Should I fail in this of course I'll be the very worst poltergeist-ghost and a nightmare for Rothschild and the rest of the Sabattean Covens that rule our beloved world at this time.
"Nemo Me Impune Lacessit"--expect me Phillipe, Jacob and the elite..You awakened this dragon

[beldazar]

I dont know about
todays headlines but the breaking and entering into peoples homes was on the bbc news and my local news.
I would rather not follow anyone, it would be far better to have NO leaders! This world needs a complete rurn-around
I think that this kind of news does create fear but not all of us have learnt not to let it affect us, its a bit like seeing a scary film on the telly and saying 'its just a film', its easy to forget :)

[adimon]

They wear helmets cos they probably arent normal coppers. I'm guessing that they may be a specially trained army not unlike Blackwater but that is just my guess. It wouldnt surprise me if special American forces are gonna be sent here in the very near future to "police" our streets because it's it's not gonna be THAT easy to find British people who agree with the police state once the mass awakening happens.
I heard somewhere that the Americans are training Czechs to do a role like Blackwater in America (dont ask me for a link cos I dont know where I saw it now, it might have been via Alex Jones).

If the EU gets its way we will have a EU police force now do you think in such a system there will be british police on our streets or police from another (former) nation. It will be the same all over the superstate.

It looks to me like this is the start of marshall law and maybe that "MP" DOES stand for Millitary Police ? How can we check for sure ? If they were normal police then they would be in police uniforms. But like someone has already said maybe those uniforms are to keep us in fear of terrorism or maybe both apply.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03/PolicePA_450x300.jpg

You really need to do your own research, rather than taking a story from the MSM and creating your own suppositions from it.

If you think that Policemen only have one uniform you really know nothing about it.

[gnostic1]

Thanks for your response. These parasites will fail and in my 'matrix' I affirm this reality that indeded we need a new class of leaders... Meanwhile that hideous thing you call a queen will continue to do nothing and so too will I do nothing for her when the day comes that they are all arrested and rounded-up by the honorable police officers that must be there...otherwise we would all be speaking NAZI-German as per the Hapsburg-Goethe dream of that idiot king who wants to be reincarnated as a virus... In the alleged reptillian interview with 'Lacerta' that came out in 1999 this alleged Annunniki stated 'they' have seen our people being planted here by people from another world that happened to leave right after the big biblical event of Moses fame... In my eyes this is very likely closer to the truth than fiction. We shall see then... But let us not rule out the faint possibility that all these government leaders are Humans who may need to poison the ground with chemtrails so as to prevent some other race from taking over. Would you throw yurself on a grenade to save your family?..Perhaps then there is a very-very-small chance that 90% of us will effectivly dive on this grenade to save the world.. I rather expect the opposite is true..and thus my persistance...thanks again for hosting this site Mister Icke & friends... these are certainly intersting times to be alive... Until we meet again then, James

[killmicrosoft]

MP= military police

G D = Gendarmerie http://www.eurogendfor.eu/

N = National Gendarmerie

NL = Royal Marechaussee (NL)

NR OR NG = National Republican Guard (Portugal)

CG OR GS = Civil Guard (Spain)

MG = Military Gendarmerie(Poland


http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/-France-in-the-UK-.html

[danster82]

yeah and one thing to add, the cop that was interviewed mentioned those who had bought stolen goods, who HASNT bought stolen goods eh? :mad:
(I know there must be some people who havent, but you know what i mean)

Exactly, so the media is basicly letting it be known that the cops can raid your house "get used to it".

[kweli]

MP= military police

G D = Gendarmerie http://www.eurogendfor.eu/

N = National Gendarmerie

NL = Royal Marechaussee (NL)

NR OR NG = National Republican Guard (Portugal)

CG OR GS = Civil Guard (Spain)

MG = Military Gendarmerie(Poland


http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/-France-in-the-UK-.html

Thanks for the links mate, they're gold.

[truthsayer]

I've always felt that the sudden lack of Police presence and increase in crime was simply another ploy to get us to agree to over policing (i.e. a police state) so we feel secure.

Using fear again as a tool for us to agree to things that we would otherwise know to be irrational to agree to.

[steevo]

You really need to do your own research, rather than taking a story from the MSM and creating your own suppositions from it.

If you think that Policemen only have one uniform you really know nothing about it.

But why THAT uniform in this particular case, looks like they have something to hide, I think they like to hide their faces when they are up to no-good. Are these "cops" REALLY just cops ? Killmicrosoft seems to have come up with some intersting info/links which we all need to check out. Thanks Kill :)

I think we are allowed to come up with our theories on the subject thank you, I mean cops/lawyers need to have theories but do you tell THEM NOT to create their own suppositions ? What I do agree with you on is that we all need to do our own research and not rely on the mainstream media who feed us lies and propaganda to create fear and hatred, dont you agree Adimon ?

[killmicrosoft]

Police Attaché’s Office: Role


http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Police-Attache-s-Office.html


Police (or Internal Security) Attaché / SCTIP (Service de coopération technique internationale de police - Police International Technical Cooperation Service)

Under the authority of the French Ambassador, the Police Attaché represents France’s two Police Forces, the National Police and National Gendarmerie, in Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK), working with the British police and immigration and civilian security services.

A Commissaire de Police, he is supported by a Deputy Police Attaché, currently a lieutenant-colonel in the National Gendarmerie, and four National Police captains specializing in counter-terrorism, serious organized crime and illegal immigration.

The service is tasked with reinforcing international cooperation on security, on the basis of international and European agreements signed by France. The SCTIP assists in implementing France’s foreign policy on internal security with the help of almost 100 overseas offices, covering around 135 countries. In this area, it devises, studies and develops technical cooperation projects, which it also carries out and evaluates. For such studies it seeks outside funding. While promoting French technology, it coordinates and, if applicable, leads consultancy studies undertaken at international, and especially European Union level. The main tasks of the Police Attaché’s Office are:

1. To facilitate operational cooperation between the French National Police and Gendarmerie and the UK police forces, law-enforcement agencies and illegal immigration services, etc.

2. To organize and implement technical cooperation on internal security between the UK and France.

3. To represent all French Interior Ministry directorates in their contacts with Home Office directorates.

4. To support the French Embassy departments.

[killmicrosoft]

please if anybody gets any other information regarding this please post here

[steevo]

please if anybody gets any other information regarding this please post here

Yeah thanks Kill, this is something I want to know more about and will look into this asap.

[adzboarder]

It could just be a staged march, maybe no arrests were made?

It is also a show of force, i.e: dont fuck with us!

Maybe it's the start of the clear up? Anyone seen Children of men will note how one scene shows the imprisonment of immigrants and their deportation, is this the beginning? get rid of the trouble-makers first and then slowly take the rest, then see who else we need to get rid of. White middle-class people?

Nazi Germany?

A little off-topic, but not, in fact inextricably linked is that potentially we are already in WW3. Think about it, in WW2 when Hitler invaded Poland, people weren't going, holy fuck! It's WORLD WAR 2!! were they?

No, because World War 2 was coined later on. So could the wars of conquest (because thats what they are) in Iraq be just the start? - are we in world war 3 already and now seeing the holocaust stage?

Think about it... :eek:

[adimon]

Exactly, so the media is basicly letting it be known that the cops can raid your house "get used to it".

Are you suggesting that those who were raided were innocent and uninvolved in crime?

I could show you a great many similar streets in London which are waiting to be raided. These are NOT innocent people. They are burglars and thugs.

But why THAT uniform in this particular case, looks like they have something to hide

The short answer is that the people they are targetting tend to carry firearms, and it would be negligent to send a policeman into such a situation unprotected.

MP stands for Metropolitan Police. If you look at the official documentation, you will see there were other regional police agencies involved, as well as British Transport Police.

Hiding their faces? Are you shitting me?

I think we are allowed to come up with our theories on the subject thank you, I mean cops/lawyers need to have theories but do you tell THEM NOT to create their own suppositions ?

I'm not saying you shouldn't develop alternative theories, of course not. That's the purpose of this forum, and there is a great deal of information on here. But your theories in this case are unrelated to the physical evidence, and are all of the form "Well I think this operation was conducted because..." with all kinds of further details added without further evidential elaboration.

What I do agree with you on is that we all need to do our own research and not rely on the mainstream media

Good. I think we both know the BBC are full of shit. They couldn't even get the number of officers correct in this case.

[steevo]

Are you suggesting that those who were raided were innocent and uninvolved in crime?

I could show you a great many similar streets in London which are waiting to be raided. These are NOT innocent people. They are burglars and thugs.



The short answer is that the people they are targetting tend to carry firearms, and it would be negligent to send a policeman into such a situation unprotected.

MP stands for Metropolitan Police. If you look at the official documentation, you will see there were other regional police agencies involved, as well as British Transport Police.

Hiding their faces? Are you shitting me?



I'm not saying you shouldn't develop alternative theories, of course not. That's the purpose of this forum, and there is a great deal of information on here. But your theories in this case are unrelated to the physical evidence, and are all of the form "Well I think this operation was conducted because..." with all kinds of further details added without further evidential elaboration.



Good. I think we both know the BBC are full of shit. They couldn't even get the number of officers correct in this case.

And how do YOU know all the facts ? Are you hinting that youre a copper now lmao The other day you reckon you was a soldier :D. Dont tell me you know lots of coppers at the very top who are always filling you in with the details. How convenient :D:p It's you that is "shitting" me :rolleyes:
The longer the people deny that this is going on, the worse it will get for everyone, your family (and "friends") are gonna be so proud of you.

[beldazar]

Well adimon, are you going to tell me that all the people living in the street that got raided are all blokes then? Dont they have wivees/girlfriends, kids even? Even if they are all 'hardened criminals, NOBODY deserves that kind of treatment! :mad:

[critical_analysis]

Well adimon, are you going to tell me that all the people living in the street that got raided are all blokes then? Dont they have wivees/girlfriends, kids even? Even if they are all 'hardened criminals, NOBODY deserves that kind of treatment! :mad:

A fair point.

Somewhere along the line you have to ask yourself do I want to live in a society that cracks down on crime by any means necessary (and manages to get more criminals) or do I want to live in a society that tries to balance the fight against crime with the feelings and welfare of the community at large.

I think the UK has traditionally been one of the better places to live in the world because of the balance in maintained.

[jimmi]

Yesterday I showed the newspaper article and photo to an ex soldier he has no knowledge (to the best of my knowledge) about nwo etc. and I presented it in a neutral manner to get his honest opinion. He found it 'scary' and said it's like the start of a police state. Gave me some interesting info. about his training in such matters and was interested and non judgemental about my views, what scared me most was that he thought my ideas were reasonable.

[adimon]

And how do YOU know all the facts ? Are you hinting that youre a copper now lmao The other day you reckon you was a soldier :D. Dont tell me you know lots of coppers at the very top who are always filling you in with the details. How convenient :D:p It's you that is "shitting" me :rolleyes:
The longer the people deny that this is going on, the worse it will get for everyone, your family (and "friends") are gonna be so proud of you.

LOL. You really do LOVE those strawman arguments don't you?! :D

I never said I knew all the facts, did I? Did I?

I have however done research beyond reading one story and extrapolating my own fantastic beliefs from it - which is what you have done.

I never once hinted I was a copper or know coppers at the top. Stop being childish. Aren't you able to respond to my points in a sensible manner without always heading straight for the insults?

Well adimon, are you going to tell me that all the people living in the street that got raided are all blokes then? Dont they have wivees/girlfriends, kids even? Even if they are all 'hardened criminals, NOBODY deserves that kind of treatment! :mad:

Ok let me pose you a question. There's a man who is part of a network of organised crime, complicit in burglary, drug-trafficking, racketeering and prostitution. The police steadily gather enough evidence to mount a decent case against him and incarcerate him to protect society from his evil ways. Should they refrain from arrest because he's sat at home with his guard down, for fear of scaring his family? What if they have some knowledge of the criminal network? This raises questions of complicity amongst the family, which in turn might provide other leads through questioning. What if this criminal network happens conveniently to be centred in a relatively small area? Should the police ignore that golden opportunity to arrest a large number of perps at once? Should they wait until each of them are walking in parks away from their family and then nab them?

Your last sentence - "Even if they are all 'hardened criminals, NOBODY deserves that kind of treatment!" - I really don't understand what you mean. Nobody deserves what? Arrest?

You two seem to be living very sheltered lives. Have you never been the victim of organised crime? Why should 'hardened criminals' escape justice?

[steevo]

LOL. You really do LOVE those strawman arguments don't you?! :D

I never said I knew all the facts, did I? Did I?

I have however done research beyond reading one story and extrapolating my own fantastic beliefs from it - which is what you have done.

I never once hinted I was a copper or know coppers at the top. Stop being childish. Aren't you able to respond to my points in a sensible manner without always heading straight for the insults?



Ok let me pose you a question. There's a man who is part of a network of organised crime, complicit in burglary, drug-trafficking, racketeering and prostitution. The police steadily gather enough evidence to mount a decent case against him and incarcerate him to protect society from his evil ways. Should they refrain from arrest because he's sat at home with his guard down, for fear of scaring his family? What if they have some knowledge of the criminal network? This raises questions of complicity amongst the family, which in turn might provide other leads through questioning. What if this criminal network happens conveniently to be centred in a relatively small area? Should the police ignore that golden opportunity to arrest a large number of perps at once? Should they wait until each of them are walking in parks away from their family and then nab them?

Your last sentence - "Even if they are all 'hardened criminals, NOBODY deserves that kind of treatment!" - I really don't understand what you mean. Nobody deserves what? Arrest?

You two seem to be living very sheltered lives. Have you never been the victim of organised crime? Why should 'hardened criminals' escape justice?

People on here want to discuss this stuff without you butting your nose in. You dont agree with anyone on here except for fellow trolls so just go away and leave us to organise how we can prepare and make people aware of the situation. You are purposely a distraction to the forum. Go away. I am not afraid to say it like it is and you are here to side track us. It's about time we did something on here to stop you. What is happening in this country and other countries is about as serious as it can get and are we gonna have to put up with you distracting us constantly to the VERY END ?? Just go away and stop messing us about, you have multiple usernames on here and when you got caught out last time you pretend to have a flat mate who also uses the Icke forum, what a load of bull.

[adimon]

People on here want to discuss this stuff without you butting your nose in.

Read: exercising my right to free speech. I am in no way preventing you from discussing anything. Stop acting like a total child.

What is happening in this country and other countries is about as serious as it can get


I agree with the above sentence Steevo, but please tell me, why am I not allowed to hold different opinions to you, or express them?

Just go away and stop messing us about, you have multiple usernames on here and when you got caught out last time you pretend to have a flat mate who also uses the Icke forum, what a load of bull.

Total fiction. My flat mate Keith joined the forum a while back and when he saw how cliquey and offensive SOME of the people are on here, he decided not to bother anymore. This is an important reason why I am only an occasional visitor to the forum these days.

I can't help you with this delusion you have about me having multiple logins. The admin team know full well that this is a baseless accusation. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are judgemental, prejudiced and divisive - all things you claim to fight, but actually embrace. You know next to nothing about me yet vent spleen on me any chance you get. Pathetic.

[steevo]

Read: exercising my right to free speech. I am in no way preventing you from discussing anything. Stop acting like a total child.



I agree with the above sentence Steevo, but please tell me, why am I not allowed to hold different opinions to you, or express them?



Total fiction. My flat mate Keith joined the forum a while back and when he saw how cliquey and offensive SOME of the people are on here, he decided not to bother anymore. This is an important reason why I am only an occasional visitor to the forum these days.

I can't help you with this delusion you have about me having multiple logins. The admin team know full well that this is a baseless accusation. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are judgemental, prejudiced and divisive - all things you claim to fight, but actually embrace. You know next to nothing about me yet vent spleen on me any chance you get. Pathetic.


The admin cannot possibily know FOR SURE but the thing about your "flatmate" was a dead giveaway. Same IP address therefore you had to correct yourself and say that you accidently used his login. I dont know if the admin actually monitor the IP addresses or not but they should do in my opinion to catch out people like you cos one day you will make another mistake.
Pathetic traitor.

[adimon]

The admin cannot possibily know FOR SURE but the thing about your "flatmate" was a dead giveaway. Same IP address therefore you had to correct yourself and say that you accidently used his login. I dont know if the admin actually monitor the IP addresses or not but they should do in my opinion to catch out people like you cos one day you will make another mistake.
Pathetic traitor.

LOL. You're really clueless aren't you?

Well either you are lying or you have been lied to by an admin insider (unlikely) or this has got to you by a process of Chinese Whispers.

I have NEVER said that I used Keith's login. He used MY computer because he is from Kenya and couldn't afford one of his own!

As for the IP addresses, the admin of course monitor those. They are able to tell you (though probably unwilling) that the only two usernames to use my IP are adimon (me, Chris) and Keith.

But what you're basically admitting is that you have no evidence (because there is none), don't even know the real facts, and are quite happy to slander me regardless, because I don't share your views.

I don't call names. Make some up for yourself. You've certainly got the requisite bile.

EDIT: Come on, let's have this out properly. Which usernames do you think I use Steevo? Perhaps it's too much to hope that Admin might break their silence and actually end this nonsense?

[beldazar]

adimon,
Have you actually seen the number of coppers that enter a house, early in the morning, tooled up with helmets on, adrenaline overflowing? Cant three of them cope any more? After all, the people are asleep!Lets hope you or your family dont get the same treatment and you have to listen to your young child wake up night after night, screaming that the 'bad men' are coming again, or terrified to go to sleep in case the nightmares return. Its you that doesnt have a clue!

[Jane643]

It does not matter what country these police or army are from or what they think as they are all to be micro chipped and in a moonie style group mind under sub consious mind control via a computor system that runs like the Nasa space one where they can monitor the heart rate ect.
These are already in place in the high streets as the shop net systems and cctv have a subliminal transmition to your brain as your mobile phone does. Your brain has its own individual pattern - just like your fingerprints - so once your phone number is linked to your brain pattern you can be tracked.

[freedomnonfighter]

The 'I told you so' days are nearing ever closer, apparently.

[beldazar]

right jane, mobile phone in the bin then! :D

[adimon]

adimon, you sound like the kind of person who beats their wife

What a horrible, hurtful and totally untrue and unnecessary thing to say.

If you can't make reasoned arguments without accusing people of domestic violence for absolutely no reason, then who's the real villain eh?

Disgusting way to conduct yourself. I wouldn't speak to my enemies in that tone.

Think before you open your potty mouth next time. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[beldazar]

i said you 'sound like' not that you are! And you do! :p

[adimon]

i said you 'sound like' not that you are! And you do! :p

Well that doesn't change the fact that

a) its your opinion
b) its an unfounded one
c) its a terrible thing to say to ANYONE
d) your total lack of apology is staggering (as is your :p which only adds insult to injury)

and e) you can have this thread to yourself. Congratulations, you've joined the elitest of the elite secret societies: The Adimon Ignore List! Have fun being offensive! :mad:

How would you feel if I insinuated you 'sounded' like a paedophile? :(

[beldazar]

look at yourself adimon, its a terrible thing to suggest that these people deserve it. Most of the so-called criminals are druggies, wanting to escape this life, using drugs supplied by the same people who instigate these dawn raids. Oh, and you have just added to the list, the type of person that would persecute paedophiules without realising that they have probably been abused as children themselves.
No doubt you would have joined in witch hunts and burned lepers too! You have a lack of understanding other peoples plights.

[beldazar]

p.s. Im a woman with two children.

[adimon]

look at yourself adimon, its a terrible thing to suggest that these people deserve it. Most of the so-called criminals are druggies, wanting to escape this life, using drugs supplied by the same people who instigate these dawn raids. Oh, and you have just added to the list, the type of person that would persecute paedophiules without realising that they have probably been abused as children themselves.
No doubt you would have joined in witch hunts and burned lepers too! You have a lack of understanding other peoples plights.

Criminals deserve justic to be meted out on them for damaging the lives of others. Yes I believe this to be true. If this idea, in principle, is too conservative for you, then I don't know what planet you're living on. If a pimp got hold of one of your kids and hooked them on crack and pedalled them, wouldn't you feel someone should bring this person to justice?

Most of those arrested are not simple drug users. You are very wrong. They are drug-TRAFFICKERS, DEALERS, thieves, thugs, rapists and murderers.

Where do you get the idea they are just users? Are you familiar with this part of London?

Where do you get the idea that they are supplied with drugs by the police?

Whether or not someone was abused as a child themselves, if they commit child rape themselves, then they should be brought to justice. Otherwise the cycle will NEVER end will it?

Where do you get this shit about witch hunts and lepers?

Oh yeah, you're just making it up. Being a secular humanist and a rational thinker, I don't believe in witchcraft, and people are free to practise it providing they are not harming anyone in the process. As for leprosy, it has a very long onset time as far as I understand, and is extremely hard to contract unless you spend a lot of time surrounded by other lepers.

STOP putting words in my mouth, STOP insulting me with baseless accusations and START taking responsibility for your own life! :mad:

[jimmi]

all you need is LOVE


BAPARARARA!

[beldazar]

I stand by what I said adimon, you have no idea of these peoples backgrounds or upbringing, they were children once you know!
I have my opinions and YOU cannot influence them. Why dont you go back to ignoring me if you dont like what I say.

[kweli]

Criminals deserve justic to be meted out on them for damaging the lives of others. Yes I believe this to be true. If this idea, in principle, is too conservative for you, then I don't know what planet you're living on. If a pimp got hold of one of your kids and hooked them on crack and pedalled them, wouldn't you feel someone should bring this person to justice?

Most of those arrested are not simple drug users. You are very wrong. They are drug-TRAFFICKERS, DEALERS, thieves, thugs, rapists and murderers.

Where do you get the idea they are just users? Are you familiar with this part of London?

Where do you get the idea that they are supplied with drugs by the police?

Whether or not someone was abused as a child themselves, if they commit child rape themselves, then they should be brought to justice. Otherwise the cycle will NEVER end will it?

Where do you get this shit about witch hunts and lepers?

Oh yeah, you're just making it up. Being a secular humanist and a rational thinker, I don't believe in witchcraft, and people are free to practise it providing they are not harming anyone in the process. As for leprosy, it has a very long onset time as far as I understand, and is extremely hard to contract unless you spend a lot of time surrounded by other lepers.

STOP putting words in my mouth, STOP insulting me with baseless accusations and START taking responsibility for your own life! :mad:

But, what of the criminal elements within the Police Force Adimon? Do you think the Police are all upstanding citizens, looking after our welfare, abiding by the rules set out for the rest of us? Some of them are little more than thugs themselves; where's our justice for the damage they cause to our lives? Go and check how many complaints taken out against the Police ever get taken seriously.

I have so much more I could say about this, but much of it is personal experience, and it certainly wouldn't be wise to print it on a public forum. I also live next door to a Tw*t of a copper! But again, the least said about that the better; I mentioned in a previous post somewhere, that I have a complaint pending, although, I know the score already and I don't expect the outcome to be in my favour. :(

There's two sides to this debate, and if your mind is truly open, as you profess it to be, you would see that. We all have different perceptions based on our own reality and experiences.

On a side note: Since when did paintballing become part of Police training? (here in South Yorkshire anyway) Why do they need to do this?

[dangermouse]

Police State ACT 1

lights ... cameras. uniforms... ACTION!!!!

[thorleyart]

It could just be a staged march, maybe no arrests were made?

It is also a show of force, i.e: dont fuck with us!

Maybe it's the start of the clear up? Anyone seen Children of men will note how one scene shows the imprisonment of immigrants and their deportation, is this the beginning? get rid of the trouble-makers first and then slowly take the rest, then see who else we need to get rid of. White middle-class people?

Nazi Germany?

A little off-topic, but not, in fact inextricably linked is that potentially we are already in WW3. Think about it, in WW2 when Hitler invaded Poland, people weren't going, holy fuck! It's WORLD WAR 2!! were they?

No, because World War 2 was coined later on. So could the wars of conquest (because thats what they are) in Iraq be just the start? - are we in world war 3 already and now seeing the holocaust stage?

Think about it... :eek:

yes, absolutely, have you read. www.threeworldwars.com ??

check out link below for info on the start of world war three

http://www.threeworldwars.com/admin/faq-war.htm#start

[adzboarder]

Funnily enough Thorley - I have!

It was brought to my attention by a fellow I know who doesn't believe in all this "conspiracy bullshit" (his words) but he said it was very interesting so I read the lot.

History repeats itself, so why not with the 3rd and final war.

[danucrom]

This is a training excercise. You don't need 1000+ pigs to come down on a few petty drug dealers.

[kweli]

This is a training excercise. You don't need 1000+ pigs to come down on a few petty drug dealers.

That's my thoughts too. Things are ramping up pretty fast now. DI even hints at it in his latest newsletter.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23094&highlight=traffic+wardens+police

[freespark]

I can see what people mean when they say war on drugs is a war on the poor, many of these people who were raided are most probably driven to crime and drug dealing in order to keep above the breadline, but no let's harass em and give em a dawn raid cause they're breakin the law.

It sounds to me like TPTB are saying; "look we don't mind you struggling yer ass off to make ends meet, but try and get rich without cutting us in, and we'll lock you up in a cage"..

But the government and their corporate cronies who commit huge fraud and fleece the people of thier wealth get away scot free...:confused:

The fucking hypocrasy does my head in. :mad:

[tb303]

This is a training excercise. You don't need 1000+ pigs to come down on a few petty drug dealers.

Correct.

Alan Watt covered this on Monday's show:

http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_95_Raid_of_Things_to_Come _Mar312008.mp3

[lizzy]

I stand by what I said adimon, you have no idea of these peoples backgrounds or upbringing, they were children once you know!
I have my opinions and YOU cannot influence them. Why dont you go back to ignoring me if you dont like what I say.

only a suggestion....

don't waste your time defending your postion. you are right. don't fall for the "fight", it is a intentional distraction from the issues.

[lizzy]

Correct.

Alan Watt covered this on Monday's show:

http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_95_Raid_of_Things_to_Come _Mar312008.mp3


yes, there is much truth to be found there . AW deals with facts not fiction.

[kweli]

yes, there is much truth to be found there . AW deals with facts not fiction.

Listening to it now lizzie, extremely interesting.

[kblood]

Kudos to Alan Watt for showing what is going on, and that the age old agendas are unfolding.

I am still thinking it as the news that are to be expected. Lets take the EU and the EU having its own army. That was even at the beginning what they wanted, but it wasnt in the publics interest to begin that way. Seemed logical to me that having a cooperation between all the countries of Europe a united army of Europe would seem the logical step. Heck I even liked the idea those 10-12 years ago.

What surprises me the most is how much time it takes them to accomplish these few, rather simply goals, as it would seem. 10 years? And they have had to rely on the UN army for all that time? Imagine how much faster taking over Iraq could have gone if they had made the EU army in the first place, and had EU under control? There wouldnt be as many people that needed to be convinced wether attacking Iraq would be right or wrong.

So, I agree that Alan Watt brings facts to the truth movement, but I would like to see more evidence as well. Also, he seems to fail miserably at finding actuall solutions. Maybe I just havent bothered with him enough? Does Alan Watt have any proposed ways of how to deal with these problems, or does he just like to highlight them yet again?

Anyone who can show of Alan Watt telling about how the NWO had setbacks due to people not falling for the media propoganda?

[killmicrosoft]

European co-operation to fight organised crime


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/11/23161221

listen http://voice.dixerit.com/scotexecdix?url=http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2007/11/23161221


25/11/2007

Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill will see at first hand tomorrow how Europol, the European police office, is playing its part in the fight against organised crime in Scotland.

Europol is the European Union's response to the threat of organised crime and aims at improving the effectiveness and co-operation of law enforcement across all Member States in preventing and combating terrorism, unlawful drug trafficking and other serious forms of international organised crime.

The Scottish Police Service relies heavily on Europol to negotiate surveillance teams with law enforcement in other Member States for SCDEA operations in Europe. It is just this kind of support which saw the successful seizure of eight tons of cannabis off Western Spain in 2005. These drugs were destined for Scottish communities.

The Justice Secretary will be at Europol's HQ in The Hague to meet its Director and members of the UK Liaison Bureau, including an officer from the SCDEA, to hear how the organisation is working with Scotland's crime-fighters.

Speaking in advance of his visit, Kenny MacAskill said:

"I recently chaired the first meeting of the Serious Organised Crime Taskforce. This body will provide strategic direction and co-ordination for all the organisations fighting serious organised crime in Scotland.

"However, we need to recognise that the tentacles of serious organised crime stretch well beyond our borders. Many of those involved in peddling drugs or trafficking people into Scotland operate from or through mainland Europe.

"Therefore, combating serious organised crime in Scotland cannot be done in isolation - it requires effective co-operation with our close European neighbours. Exchanging information, working together to identify national and international threats and facilitating and supporting cross-border operations are all vital if we are to tackle these criminal gangs.

"Members of the Serious Organised Crime Taskforce already work closely with Europol and I am looking forward to learning more about how these established liaison networks can help support our efforts here in Scotland.

"Working together we can put these criminal groups out of business."

Europol is the European Union's (EU) response to the threat of organised crime and is designed to facilitate the secure exchange of intelligence between Member States (MS).

Formally set up in 1994 under the Maastricht Treaty as the Europol Drugs Unit, Europol finally took up its full activities on 1st July 1999 with a mandate under the Europol Convention.

Europol's Aim is "to improve the effectiveness and co-operation between the competent authorities of the MS in preventing and combating serious international organised crime and terrorism." Its Mission is to "make a significant contribution to the EU's law enforcement actions in preventing and combating serious international crime with an emphasis on the criminal organisations involved"

It supports the law enforcement activities of the MS mainly against:

illicit drug trafficking
illicit immigration networks
terrorism
forgery of money and other means of payment
trafficking of human beings
illicit vehicle trafficking
money laundering
Europol supports by:

facilitating the exchange of information, in accordance with national law, between Europol liaison officers (ELOs);
providing operational analysis in support of operations
generating strategic reports (for example, threat assessments) and crime analysis on the basis of information and intelligence supplied by MS and third parties
providing expertise and technical support of investigations and operations carried out within the EU, under the supervision of the MS concerned

[kweli]

Kudos to Alan Watt for showing what is going on, and that the age old agendas are unfolding.

I am still thinking it as the news that are to be expected. Lets take the EU and the EU having its own army. That was even at the beginning what they wanted, but it wasnt in the publics interest to begin that way. Seemed logical to me that having a cooperation between all the countries of Europe a united army of Europe would seem the logical step. Heck I even liked the idea those 10-12 years ago.

What surprises me the most is how much time it takes them to accomplish these few, rather simply goals, as it would seem. 10 years? And they have had to rely on the UN army for all that time? Imagine how much faster taking over Iraq could have gone if they had made the EU army in the first place, and had EU under control? There wouldnt be as many people that needed to be convinced wether attacking Iraq would be right or wrong.

So, I agree that Alan Watt brings facts to the truth movement, but I would like to see more evidence as well. Also, he seems to fail miserably at finding actuall solutions. Maybe I just havent bothered with him enough? Does Alan Watt have any proposed ways of how to deal with these problems, or does he just like to highlight them yet again?

Anyone who can show of Alan Watt telling about how the NWO had setbacks due to people not falling for the media propoganda?

Cheers for that post KB, Interesting, it gave me food for thought.

I think these questions all depend on what your expectations of a 'Researcher' actually are. Definition of a researcher: 'A person who systematically investigates and studies materials and sources to establish facts and reach conclusions' There's plenty of similar definitions, but none of them mention finding solutions. Do we expect too much from researchers? Is it right that we demand others to find solutions for us? Are we not all capable of finding these answers from within ourselves? Icke, Watt, Tsarsion, Jones etc. etc... they're all fallible human beings just like the rest of us. Why do we rely on these people to provide the answers? Don't we all have a responsibility to find the solutions? After all, we've all played our part in creating the problems. And at least that way, we can't blame others if we're led down the wrong path, following the wrong solutions - - like we've done, time, and time again, for over thousands of years now.

In my opinion, *awaits the flaming* :rolleyes: Alan Watts is a 'thinking mans' researcher. He passes on his information, so that people can make informed descisions on their own future. I like his straight forward, no nonsense style. It appeals to me because I'm a no frills kind of person, and I'm interested in what's going on around me, what's happening right now: The Police State, The EU, etc... I don't agee he just highlights problems we're already aware of, he discusses current events/issues, for example: the recent Military style Police raids in London, his theories on Chemtrails, The current economic crash, etc. But whilst I appreciate his research on these issues, I'm certainly not looking to him to provide the answers.

Personally, I don't hold any researcher on a pedestal, I just take what I want from each, and leave the rest. That way, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment when the next 'shocking expose' reveals that researcher X or Y, is rumoured to be a fraudster.

I've been asked countless times by the same couple of members on this forum -'why are you here if you don't believe in Ickes solutions'? Well, once again, I've attempted to answer that question, but I'll try and make it clearer. Icke is just another researcher to me, I value huge chunks of his work, I still use his books, videos, for reference; And despite my opinions on the recent 'shennanigans' around here, I still believe this forum is an excellent tool in helping to find the 'Truth', It offers a wealth of information, and I've met some really good people here, (like-minded & otherwise) and collectively, they've freely offered much more information than I could ever hope to gain from any one researcher. Thanks y'all. :) However, the same principals apply here, as with the researchers, I take what I want, and I leave the rest.

[lizzy]

Kudos to Alan Watt for showing what is going on, and that the age old agendas are unfolding.

I am still thinking it as the news that are to be expected. Lets take the EU and the EU having its own army. That was even at the beginning what they wanted, but it wasnt in the publics interest to begin that way. Seemed logical to me that having a cooperation between all the countries of Europe a united army of Europe would seem the logical step. Heck I even liked the idea those 10-12 years ago.

What surprises me the most is how much time it takes them to accomplish these few, rather simply goals, as it would seem. 10 years? And they have had to rely on the UN army for all that time? Imagine how much faster taking over Iraq could have gone if they had made the EU army in the first place, and had EU under control? There wouldnt be as many people that needed to be convinced wether attacking Iraq would be right or wrong.

So, I agree that Alan Watt brings facts to the truth movement, but I would like to see more evidence as well. Also, he seems to fail miserably at finding actuall solutions. Maybe I just havent bothered with him enough? Does Alan Watt have any proposed ways of how to deal with these problems, or does he just like to highlight them yet again?

Anyone who can show of Alan Watt telling about how the NWO had setbacks due to people not falling for the media propoganda?


kblood,

AW can't give you any solutions b/c there are'nt any. No critical mass to stop working , eating, buying gas or poisious big pharma pills.
He tells you to just get ready anyway you can.

[lizzy]

Cheers for that post KB, Interesting, it gave me food for thought.

I think these questions all depend on what your expectations of a 'Researcher' actually are. Definition of a researcher: 'A person who systematically investigates and studies materials and sources to establish facts and reach conclusions' There's plenty of similar definitions, but none of them mention finding solutions. Do we expect too much from researchers? Is it right that we demand others to find solutions for us? Are we not all capable of finding these answers from within ourselves? Icke, Watt, Tsarsion, Jones etc. etc... they're all fallible human beings just like the rest of us. Why do we rely on these people to provide the answers? Don't we all have a responsibility to find the solutions? After all, we've all played our part in creating the problems. And at least that way, we can't blame others if we're led down the wrong path, following the wrong solutions - - like we've done, time, and time again, for over thousands of years now.

In my opinion, *awaits the flaming* :rolleyes: Alan Watts is a 'thinking mans' researcher. He passes on his information, so that people can make informed descisions on their own future. I like his straight forward, no nonsense style. It appeals to me because I'm a no frills kind of person, and I'm interested in what's going on around me, what's happening right now: The Police State, The EU, etc... I don't agee he just highlights problems we're already aware of, he discusses current events/issues, for example: the recent Military style Police raids in London, his theories on Chemtrails, The current economic crash, etc. But whilst I appreciate his research on these issues, I'm certainly not looking to him to provide the answers.

Personally, I don't hold any researcher on a pedestal, I just take what I want from each, and leave the rest. That way, I'm not setting myself up for disappointment when the next 'shocking expose' reveals that researcher X or Y, is rumoured to be a fraudster.

I've been asked countless times by the same couple of members on this forum -'why are you here if you don't believe in Ickes solutions'? Well, once again, I've attempted to answer that question, but I'll try and make it clearer. Icke is just another researcher to me, I value huge chunks of his work, I still use his books, videos, for reference; And despite my opinions on the recent 'shennanigans' around here, I still believe this forum is an excellent tool in helping to find the 'Truth', It offers a wealth of information, and I've met some really good people here, (like-minded & otherwise) and collectively, they've freely offered much more information than I could ever hope to gain from any one researcher. Thanks y'all. :) However, the same principals apply here, as with the researchers, I take what I want, and I leave the rest.


Thanks for that kweli

I agree totally.:)

[dondaz]

What a waste of time this raid was.

Hundreds of police officers raided 19 premises

officers had so far seized more than 350 stolen items including 120 laptops, 110 cameras, 32 iPods, 20 sat-navs and 47 fake passports and driving licences.

Give me 600 police officers and I will stop the drug trade from the top in this country, stop the bankers robbing everyone and arrest the traiters taking us into the illegal EU. That's just to start with!

It's always the petty issues that keep the sheeple looking the other way the police go after.

My solution is to usurp them all by forming a World Government Party by way of a petition that will collapse this government and reinstate it with civilian control and NO SECRET SOCIETY members.

A world government, yeah right. Yawn!

Good thread steevo. Hey adimon, come to Quinton in Birmingham & I'll show you real policing and lots of police abuse and brutality. I guarentee your eyes will open.

[kriss_crow]

My partner and I had just been talking about this after seeing the story in the paper, those poor men in the uniforms and helmets really need our love at this time ! think how lucky WE are at the moment , we know what's happening but they haven't got a clue about how much they are already being used and abused ! They are our brothers and sisters and we should forgive them .

'For they know not what they do.'

Bull-shit, jimmi.
They exactly know what they do.
Didn't they join forces voluntarily??
Why am I not a cop? Why aren't you?
To be a cop is not a profession, it's mentality.

and thanks for the thanks ,I've got tears streaming down my face, by fuck we need to learn to love each other quick.

theatrical

[kweli]

What a waste of time this raid was.





Give me 600 police officers and I will stop the drug trade from the top in this country, stop the bankers robbing everyone and arrest the traiters taking us into the illegal EU. That's just to start with!

It's always the petty issues that keep the sheeple looking the other way the police go after.



A world government, yeah right. Yawn!

Good thread steevo. Hey adimon, come to Quinton in Birmingham & I'll show you real policing and lots of police abuse and brutality. I guarentee your eyes will open.

I've also offered adimon a tour around the area I used to live in, to talk to some of the folk there, and see first hand how the police oppress people in such areas. He didn't take me up on the offer.

[bicycle]

I heard on the AJ show some time back that during the tiananmen sq demo's the local police would not fire on its own people coz family and friends were in the demo's, so they shipped in police from different provinces to do it!

If that's the case then its no wonder they want a European police force so they can pick and choose who gets sent where from any uprisings.

[lizzy]

I heard on the AJ show some time back that during the tiananmen sq demo's the local police would not fire on its own people coz family and friends were in the demo's, so they shipped in police from different provinces to do it!

If that's the case then its no wonder they want a European police force so they can pick and choose who gets sent where from any uprisings.

Exactly right bicycle.
Same reason UN troops will walk US streets oneday.

[lizzy]

I've also offered adimon a tour around the area I used to live in, to talk to some of the folk there, and see first hand how the police oppress people in such areas. He didn't take me up on the offer.

Never did understand adimon, sometimes I truly believe some ppl just don't want to see the pink elephant in the street because it's not in their house yet.:rolleyes:

[lizzy]

Bull-shit, jimmi.
They exactly know what they do.
Didn't they join forces voluntarily??
Why am I not a cop? Why aren't you?
To be a cop is not a profession, it's mentality.



theatrical

In the US they are recruiting ex-military as cops. Already de-sensitized, always ready to kick ass.

[jimmi]

Bull-shit, jimmi.
They exactly know what they do.
Didn't they join forces voluntarily??
Why am I not a cop? Why aren't you?
To be a cop is not a profession, it's mentality.



theatrical
Theatrical? You are free to interpret my words as you wish,but I'll give you a more detailed explanation. I had tears streaming down my face when I wrote that, I had been experiencing waves of emotions over a period of days, afterwards I discovered information on this site written by people with greater knowledge than myself that told me of another 'amping up' of certain energies that I believe I am becoming more aware of. I have always been very sceptical of talk of these 'energies' but my mind has been changed to a firm belief through my own experience of them. Crying is a way of releasing 'bad' energy that otherwise can do us harm. Though I would still be embarrassed to experience such a state in public, I thought that that it would have been O.K. to express myself here.
Theatrical? Possibly! Honest? Definitely!

[beldazar]

its ok jimmi, dont let him get to you, your post made me feel loads better and some people refuse to look inside their own hearts before condemning others, I do that frequently :D

[jimmi]

Thank you Beldazar, it amazes me how a little support gives me such a big 'lift' now.

[kriss_crow]

no meaning to offend you, jimmi.
sorry if i made you feel that way..
I just couldn't understand why you
want to cry after those bastards.
They know who they are and why they are.
They are not victims as you want to
see them. And they dont deserve any
symphaty you offer them.

[beldazar]

Yes you are right Kriss, I think it takes a special type of bully boy to do a job that involves exerting extreme pressure on other people, Im sure they must have had awful parents or a massive chip on their shoulder, or a complete lack of self-esteem,or they only have a few brain cells! I do tend to feel a bit sorry for these type of people, but only if Im in an understanding frame of mind. They seem to think it wont happen to them but wait and see if they lose their job for some reason and justice comes kicking them up the ass. they will ALL realise what they are part of in the end.

[bicycle]

I heard on the AJ show some time back that during the tiananmen sq demo's the local police would not fire on its own people coz family and friends were in the demo's, so they shipped in police from different provinces to do it!

If that's the case then its no wonder they want a European police force so they can pick and choose who gets sent where from any uprisings.

Chinese Paramilitary Cops Police Americans

A 30 man squad of crack trained Chinese paramilitary cops will today march through the streets of San Francisco, policing the one and only US stop on the Olympic torch relay, and tackling any American protesters who get in their way.

The news follows revelations that the London and Paris Olympic torch relay stops were policed by an elite "Flame Protection Unit", hand picked from special police units of the People's Armed Police, China's internal security force.

The so called "Flame attendants" are usually responsible for fighting unrest and maintaining internal stability in China. Tens of thousands of the "Wujing," as the People's Armed Police are called in Chinese, recently took part in crackdowns against demonstrators in Tibet and neighboring regions.

The blue-suited goons were seen physically assaulting demonstrators and even Olympic officials and the torch bearers themselves.

Those present at the demonstrations have told reporters that the paramilitaries seemed to believe they have superiority over domestic police forces and were essentially running the show.

The British government has refused to comment on who authorized these hired thugs to have free reign over the streets of London, including Downing Street, despite questions from the opposition party.

These representatives of the Chinese Communist police state are today policing the streets of a portion of a major American city.

http://infowars.net/articles/april2008/090408Chinese.htm

[adimon]

Hey adimon, come to Quinton in Birmingham & I'll show you real policing and lots of police abuse and brutality. I guarentee your eyes will open.

If that's a serious offer then I'd happily take you up on it. I stop off in Brum, Wolves and Worcester fairly regularly, so could easily schedule a few hours for such a meet.

[kweli]

If that's a serious offer then I'd happily take you up on it. I stop off in Brum, Wolves and Worcester fairly regularly, so could easily schedule a few hours for such a meet.

Well that's just charming, :p take Dondaz up on his offer when I invited you first!

[adimon]

Well that's just charming, :p take Dondaz up on his offer when I invited you first!

LOL. Well, you were offering to show me run down estates, not police brutality. Plus, Brum is on my train route, when I go ANYWHERE from here.

[kweli]

LOL. Well, you were offering to show me run down estates, not police brutality. Plus, Brum is on my train route, when I go ANYWHERE from here.

Ok, I'll let you off because of the geographical bit. But, run down council estates and police brutality go hand in hand. ;)