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mynameis
28-03-2008, 09:10 AM
Fascism for proles

In a new book tracing the roots of the modern left, Jonah Goldberg argues that 20th-century communists borrowed far more from Hitler than from Marx

Jonah Goldberg, National Post Published: Wednesday, February 27, 2008

The notion that communism and Nazism are polar opposites stems from the deeper truth that they are in fact kindred spirits. Or, as Richard Pipes has written, "Bolshevism and Fascism were heresies of socialism." Both ideologies are reactionary in the sense that they try to re-create tribal impulses. Communists champion class, Nazis race, fascists the nation. All such ideologies -- we can call them totalitarian for now -- attract the same types of people.

Hitler's hatred for communism has been opportunistically exploited to signify ideological distance, when in fact it indicated the exact opposite. Today this maneuver has settled into conventional wisdom. But what Hitler hated about Marxism and communism had almost nothing to do with those aspects of communism that we would consider relevant, such as economic doctrine or the need to destroy the capitalists and bourgeoisie. In these areas, Hitler largely saw eye to eye with socialists and communists. His hatred stemmed from his paranoid conviction that the people calling themselves communists were in fact in on a foreign, Jewish conspiracy. He says this over and over again in Mein Kampf. He studied the names of communists and socialists, and if they sounded Jewish, that's all he needed to know. It was all a con job, a ruse to destroy Germany. Only "authentically" German ideas from authentic Germans could be trusted. And when those Germans, like Feder or Strasser, proposed socialist ideas straight out of the Marxist playbook, he had virtually no objection whatsoever. Hitler never cared much about economics anyway. He always considered it "secondary." What mattered to him was German identity politics.

Let me anticipate an objection. The argument goes something like this: Communism and fascism are opposites; therefore, since fascism is fundamentally anti-Semitic, communism must not be. Another version simply reverses the equation: Fascism (or Nazism) was all about anti-Semitism, but communism wasn't; therefore, they are not similar. Other versions fool around with the word "right-wing": Anti-Semitism is right-wing; Nazis were anti-Semites; therefore, Nazism was right-wing. You can play these games all day.

Yes, the Nazis were anti-Semites of the first order, but anti-Semitism is by no means a right-wing phenomenon. It is also widely recognized, for example, that Stalin was an anti-Semite and that the Soviet Union was, in effect, officially anti-Semitic (though far less genocidal than Nazi Germany --when it came to the Jews). Karl Marx himself -- despite his Jewish heritage -- was a committed Jew hater, railing in his letters against "dirty Jews" and denouncing his enemies with phrases like "niggerlike Jew."

Perhaps more revealing, the German Communists often resorted to nationalistic and anti-Semitic appeals when they found it useful. Leo Schlageter, the young Nazi who was executed by the French in 1923 and subsequently made into a martyr to the German nationalist cause, was also lionized by the communists. The communist ideologue Karl Radek delivered a speech to the Comintern celebrating Schlageter as precisely the sort of man the communists needed. The communist (and half-Jewish) radical Ruth Fischer tried to win over the German proletariat with some Marxist anti-Semitic verbiage: "Whoever cries out against Jewish capitalists is already a class warrior, even when he does not know it …

Kick down the Jewish capitalists, hang them from the lampposts and stamp upon them." Fischer later became a high-ranking official in the East German Communist government.

In the early 1920s, noting the similarities between Italian Fascism and Russian Bolshevism was not particularly controversial. Nor was it insulting to communists or fascists. Mussolini's Italy was among the first to recognize Lenin's Russia. And as we've seen, the similarities between the two men were hardly superficial. Radek noted as early as 1923 that "Fascism is middle-class Socialism and we cannot persuade the middle classes to abandon it until we can prove to them that it only makes their condition worse."

But most communist theorists rejected or were ignorant of Radek's fairly accurate understanding of fascism. Leon Trotsky's version was far more influential. According to Trotsky, fascism was the last gasp of capitalism long prophesied in Marxist scripture. Millions of communists and fellow travelers in Europe and America sincerely believed that fascism was a capitalist backlash against the forces of truth and light. As Michael Gold of the New Masses put it in response to the poet Ezra Pound's support for fascism: "When a cheese goes putrid, it becomes limburger, and some people like it, smell and all. When the capitalist state starts to decay, it goes fascist."

Many communists probably didn't buy the Trotskyite claim that committed democratic socialists like America's Norman Thomas were no different from Adolf Hitler, but they were soon under orders to act like they did. In 1928, at Stalin's direction, the Third International advanced the doctrine of "social fascism," which held that there was really no difference between a Social Democrat and a Fascist or a Nazi. Fascism was "a fighting organization of the bourgeoisie, an organization that rests on the active support of social democracy [which] is the moderate wing of fascism." According to the theory of social fascism, a liberal democrat and a Nazi "do not contradict each other," but, in Stalin's words, "complete each other. They are not antipodes but twins."

The strategy behind the doctrine of social fascism was as horribly misguided as the theory behind it. The thinking was that the centre would not hold in Western democracies, and in a conflict between fascists and communists the communists would win. This was one reason -- aside from a common outlook on most issues -- that communists and Nazis tended to vote together in the Reichstag. The German Communists were operating under the Moscow-provided motto "Nach Hitler, kommen wir" ("After Hitler, we take over"). Or, "First Brown, then Red."

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/Story.html?id=336549



Flirting With Fascism

In a new book tracing the fascist roots of liberalism, Jonah Goldberg argues that FDR and Europe's right-wing dictators often regarded one another with admiration

Jonah Goldberg, Special to the National Post Published: Tuesday, February 26, 2008
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the White House in the 1930s.AFP, Getty Images President Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the White House in the 1930s.

One can easily make too much of the parallel chronology of Hitler's and Roosevelt's tenures. But it is not a complete coincidence that they both came to power in 1933. Though obviously very different men, they understood many of the same things about politics in the mass age. Both owed their elections to the perceived exhaustion of traditional liberal politics, and they were the two world leaders who most successfully exploited new political technologies. Roosevelt most famously utilized the radio -- and the Nazis quickly aped the practice. FDR broke with all tradition to fly to the Democratic National Convention to accept his party's nomination. The imagery of him flying -- a man of action! -- rather than sitting on the porch and waiting for the news was electrifying, as was Hitler's brilliant use of planes, most famously in Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will. Take away the text of New Deal, Soviet and Nazi propaganda posters and other artwork, and it's almost impossible to tell whether the bulging-biceps labourers are the New Soviet Man, the New Nazi Man, or the New Deal Man. Max Lerner observed in 1934, "The most damning blow that the dictatorships have struck at democracy has been the compliment they have paid us in taking over (and perfecting) our most prized devices of persuasion and our underlying contempt for the credulity of the masses."

Where FDR and Hitler overlapped most was in their fawning over "the forgotten man." Fascism's success almost always depends on the co-operation of the "losers" during a time of economic and technological change. The lower-middle classes -- the people who have just enough to fear losing it -- are the electoral shock troops of fascism(Richard Hofstadter identified this "status anxiety" as the source of Progressivism's quasi-fascist nature). Populist appeals to resentment against "fat cats," "international bankers," "economic royalists," and so on are the stock-in-trade of fascist demagogues. Hitler and Mussolini were surely more demagogic than FDR, but Roosevelt fully understood the "magic" of such appeals. He saw nothing wrong with ascribing evil motives to those who didn't support him, and he certainly relished his role as the wellborn tribune of the little guy.

Obviously, this wasn't all a cynical act. FDR did care about the little guy, the worker, and the like. But so did Hitler. Indeed, there is a mounting body of scholarship showing that "Hitler's New Deal" (David Schoenbaum's phrase) was not only similar to FDR's but in fact more generous and more successful.

When Hitler became chancellor, he focused like a laser on the economy, ending unemployment far faster than FDR. When asked by The New York Times if his first priority was jobs, Hitler boisterously responded, "Wholly! I am thinking first of those in Germany who are in despair and who have been in despair for three years …What does anything else matter?" Hitler said he was a great admirer of Henry Ford, though he didn't mention Ford's virulent anti-Semitism. What appealed to Hitler about Ford was that he "produces for the masses. That little car of his had done more than anything else to destroy class differences."

Mussolini and Hitler also felt that they were doing things along similar lines to FDR. Indeed, they celebrated the New Deal as a kindred effort. The German press was particularly lavish in its praise for FDR. In 1934 the Volkischer Beobachter -- the Nazi Party's official newspaper -- described Roosevelt as a man of "irreproachable, extremely responsible character and immovable will" and a "warmhearted leader of the people with a profound understanding of social needs." The paper emphasized that Roosevelt, through his New Deal, had eliminated "the uninhibited frenzy of market speculation" of the previous decade by adopting "National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies." After his first year in office, Hitler sent FDR a private letter congratulating "his heroic efforts in the interests of the American people. The President's successful battle against economic distress is being followed by the entire German people with interest and admiration." And he told the American ambassador, William Dodd, that he was "in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan 'The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual.' "

Mussolini was even more assiduous in claiming the New Deal as an incipient fascist phenomenon. He reviewed FDR's book Looking Forward, saying, in effect, "This guy's one of us": "The appeal to the decisiveness and masculine sobriety of the nation's youth, with which Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people."

Mussolini wrote that FDR understood that the economy could not "be left to its own devices," and saw the fascistic nature of how the American president put this understanding into practice. "Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism," he wrote.

The Volkischer Beobachter also noted that "many passages in his book Looking Forward could have been written by a National Socialist. In any case, one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy."

In a famous interview with Emil Ludwig, Mussolini reiterated his view that "America has a dictator" in FDR. In an essay written for American audiences, he marvelled at how the forces of "spiritual renewal" were destroying the outdated notion that democracy and liberalism were "immortal principles." "America itself is abandoning them. Roosevelt is moving, acting, giving orders independently of the decisions or wishes of the Senate or Congress. There are no longer intermediaries between him and the nation. There is no longer a parliament but an 'etat majeur.' There are no longer parties, but a single party. A sole will silences dissenting voices. This has nothing to do with any demo-liberal conception of things."

In 1933, members of Mussolini's press office recognized that these statements were starting to hurt their putative comrade-in-arms. They issued an order: "It is not to be emphasized that Roosevelt's policy is fascist because these comments are immediately cabled to the United States and are used by his foes to attack him." Still, the admiration remained mutual for several years. FDR sent his ambassador to Italy, Breckinridge Long, a letter regarding "that admirable Italian gentleman," saying that Mussolini "is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished."

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/Story.html?id=334440

analog
28-03-2008, 06:40 PM
True, whether it be Fascism or Communism, tyranny is tyranny.

intruder
29-03-2008, 02:24 PM
indeed, tyranny is tyranny. yet, one only has to question or revise ONE of these tyranny's to feel the tyrants gavel.

lets start with a review of what some consider to be a genetic and particualry German anti-semitism.

The quotes are all from orthodox texts. The Holocaust in History actually turned me into a revisionist.

"compared to Russia or Romania, where Jews suffered extreme poverty, intense popular hostility, and public discrimination, Germany was Rechstaat, according fundamental legal rights to Jews."
-Michael R. Marrus, The Holocaust in History, citing Jehuda Reinharz, Fatherland or Promiseland: The Dilemma of the German Jew, 1893-1914 (Ann Arbor, Michigan 1975)

"Neither Goebbels, Himmler, Goering, Frank, Hess, the Strasser brothers, nor even Adolf Eichmann seems to have joined the Nazis because of anti-semitism."
-The Holocaust in History, p.11

"Anticipating a great disaster for European Jewry in 1938, Vladimir Jabotinsky, leader of the right wing Zionist Revisionists, called for mass evacuation. In his view, however, the source of the coming catastrophe was East European anti-semitism, not that of the Nazis."
-ibid, p.9, citing Joseph Schectman, Fighter and Prophet:The Valdimir Jabotinsky Story, The Lost Years (New York, 1961) p. 352

"After a careful examination of autobiographical statements written by 581 early Nazis and originally collected by the sociologist Theodore Abel, Peter Merkl was struck by "how little the Nazi movement was motivated by shared, constructive goals of ANY kind" - even anti-semitic ones. 1/3 of the sample showed no evidence of prejudice, and nearly 1/2 seemed uninterested in Jews."
-ibid, p.12, citing Peter Merkl, Political Violence Under the Swastika:581 Early Nazis (Princeton NJ, 1975) 498-527


I've just started.

intruder
29-03-2008, 04:21 PM
"first published in 1961 and now reissued in a "revised and definitive edition" , Hillberg's Destruction of the European Jews remains the most important work that has ever been written on the subject."
Holocaust in History, p.48

Contrast that with,

"I have had no difficulty excluding from this book ANY discussion of so the called revisionists - malevolent cranks who contend that the Holocaust never happened."
Holocaust in History, Preface, p.XIV

"Holokaustos, we are reminded, comes from the third century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, signifying "the burnt sacrificial offering dedicated exclusively to God". As such, the designation of the massacre of European Jewry connoted an event of theological significance, and perhaps as well an event whose mysteries were not meant to be understood."

hmmm.... am I to believe the Nazis were offering sacrifices to a Jewish tribal deity???? If not, why "dignify" it with the term holocaust?

"Nazi genocide was a truly monumental task, requiring great exertion throughout the whole of the German Empire, bureaucratic ingenuity, countless administrative decisions, the continous cooperation of widely diverse agencies, and many thousands of officials."
Holocaust in History, p.48-49

contrast that with,

"functionalist Historians agree that the Final Solution emerged through improvisation rather than deliberate planning."
ibid, p.42

"there was a twisted road to Auschwitz. The paths that lead to the extermination camps were by no means direct or, for that matter, charted far in advance."

"Hitler set the objective of Nazism: to get rid of the Jews, and above all to make the territory of the reich Judenfrei - but without specifying how this was to be achieved."
ibid, p.48-49
contrast the above with,

"Authority in the Third reich flowed not from laws and orders, issued by carefully delimited agencies, but rather from expressions of Hitler's will."
ibid, p.34

"Top Nazi officials had no clear aims...with respect to subsequent fate of the deportees. Killing, therefore, began not solely as the result of an ostensible will for extermination but also as a way out OF A BLIND ALLEY INTO WHICH THE NAZIS HAD MANOUVERED THEMSELVES (emphasis mine) ibid, p.41

"The Nazi's own records provide little help. Typically, Hitler and his lieutenants cloaked their most criminal activities in euphimistic language, tried strenously to keep their murderous plans secret, and WERE NOTORIOUSLY VAGUE IN DELIMITING LINES OF AUTHORITY."
ibid, p.33
contrast the above with,

"The deportees went directly to Auschwitz, where 1500 were immediately gassed( ) We usually know about such events, it should be noted, because the Nazis tell us about them, through the careful records they kept, the punctilious bookkeeping of the Final Solution."
ibid, p.29

intruder
29-03-2008, 04:22 PM
"Almost EVERYONE who lived through the period of the Holocaust, observing it from either near or far will readily testify that information concerning the Nazi murder of the Jews, when it first came out seemed absolutely unbelievable - impossible."
p. 158 - citing Jacob Katz,
"Was the Holocaust Predictable?"
Commentary, May 1975,


"Auschwitz defies imagination and perception; it submits only to memory.
I write to denounce writing. I tell of the impossibility one stumbles upon in trying to tell the tale."
- The Holocaust in History, Intro, p.8 citing Elie
Weisel, "Does the Holocaust Lie Beyond the Reach
of Art?"

Sorry Elie, they're too industrious!!

"We now have a vast literature on the Holocaust. Indeed, the field is by now far too vast for any one scholar to master. A recent, select bibliography lists close to two-thousand book entries in many languages and notes over ten thousand publications on Auschwitz alone."
- ibid, p.5-6 citing Vera Laska, Nazism, Resistance
and Holocaust in WWII: A Bibliography

intruder
29-03-2008, 04:24 PM
"Add to this Hitler's curious leadership style-his inability to mount a sustained effort, his PROCRASTINATION, his frequent HESITATION - and one can understand the reluctance of many to accept the idea of a far reaching SCHEME or IDEOLOGICAL imperative necessitating the final solution." Holocaust in History, p.40

"As the head of government, Hitler operated by instinct rather than analysis. (that enabled the Germans to suspend the laws of physics and thermodynamics ) Since he disdained ORDERLY work procedures and his ministers found it difficult to gain access to him, policy making occurred in FITS and STARTS. Anything consistent with flashes of FRENETIC activity thrived; anything requiring SUSTAINED EFFORT tended to LANGUISH."
- Henry Kissinger, "Diplomacy" 1994, p.289


"For, in 1936, Hitler continued to benefit from his unique combination of PSYCHOTIC INTUITION and DEMONIC will power."
- ibid, p.301

"Anticipating a great disaster for European Jewry in 1938, Vladimir Jabotinsky, leader of the right wing Zionist Revisionists, called for mass evacuation. In his view, however, the source of the coming catastrophe was East European antisemitism, NOT that of the Nazis."
- The Holocaust in History p.9, citing Joseph Schectman,
Fighter and Prophet: The Vladimir Jabotinsky Story,
The Last Years (New York, 1961) p.352



I guess this is where a collective "psychotic intuition" kicked in!

"In the final analysis, the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of LAWS and COMMANDS as it was a matter of SPIRIT, of SHARED COMPREHENSION, of consonace and synchronization."
- The Holocaust in History, p.49

"Having set in motion deportations from the West, the Nazi's had to do SOMETHING with the Jews accumulating in Poland. When the "territorial" option in Russia was foreclosed, the Fuhrer decided on the Final Solution. Hitler and his relentless anti-Jewish ideology were the dynamic element, pressing for a solution to the "Jewish Question"; policy evolved, however, in the chaotic institutional environment of the Third Reich,where PLANLESSNESS and INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS were the norm."
- ibid, p.43 - citing Adam, Judenpolitik
im Dritten Reich, 303-12, 355-61.

Brief summary thus far, "procrastination", "hesitation", disdain of orderly
work procedures, policy making occuring in "fits" and "starts", sustained effort tended to languish, coupled with "planlessness" and "internal contradictions" - WOW!!!!!!! mix it all together and what do you get?
spirit, shared comprehension, consonace and synchronization. You guys are TOO much!!!

intruder
29-03-2008, 04:27 PM
"Many have taken up this task as a sacred duty,...but along with this task, there is another that has inevitably grown stronger in recent years - to integrate the history of the holocaust into the general stream of historical consciousness and TO APPLY TO IT THE MODES OF DISCOURSE, THE SCHOLARLY TECHNIQUES, AND THE KINDS OF ANALYSES USED FOR ALL OTHER HISTORICAL ISSUES. In part this impulse derives from a concern that the history of the holocaust receive UNIVERSAL RECOGNITION."
- The Holocaust in History, preface, p.xiii

"Throughout their long period of exile, 'the Jews had always been a minority, always in danger, but had learned that they could avert or survive destruction by placating and appeasing their enemies.' Having responded in this manner for so many centuries, ' the Jews could not act otherwise when confronted with Nazism. A 2000 year old lesson could not be unlearned; the Jews could not make the switch. They were helpless."
- ibid. p.109 citing Raul Hillberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, REVISED EDITION (New York, 1985) p.1030-31, 1038-39

"The Jews had always been a minority, ALWAYS IN DANGER"

"In 1948 "The Palestinian Issue" as it was known at the State Dept. had been long festering. Survivors of the holocaust were POURING into their Biblical homeland and demanding the creation of an independent Zionist state. For reasons both political and humanitarian, Truman wanted to help create a new state of Israel. He was, as well, UNDER TREMENDOUS PRESSURE FROM JEWISH GROUPS, WHOSE SUPPORT HE BADLY NEEDED TO STAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE."
- The Wise Men, Six Friends And The World They Made. Walter Issacson and Evan Thomas, p.451

Always a minority, always in danger - AND ALWAYS ABLE TO SECURE THE FATE OF AMERICAN PRESIDENTS