Amsterdam - smoking ban?

[the infinite one]

I've been told that there is going to be a smoking ban in Amsterdam this summer.

No smoking in public places just like in this Country.

Anyone heard about this?

More freedoms are being taken away.

[lookfar]

OMFG they can't do that in the Dam surely, eek!!??:eek:

[homebrew1973]

What next? A ban on brothels there? :p

[lennart]

In a lot of public spaces there is already a smoking ban and slowely there building this up..today many restaurants for example have a smoking corner where you can smoke but that is something that they will ban from 1july this year also.

That is pretty weird because a smoking corner is a good solution!

Here you can read everything about it:
Rookverbod - Wikipedia
Translate it with this http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ..it,s translating it pretty good!

[amar7]

even though i am a smoker, i'm one of the few whos not against smoking ban..
it is harming other ppl and thats a quite good reason imo. a smoking corner would be the best solution

[icke_is_right]

I'm a non smoker but this smoking ban is a load of old rollox. I'd much prefer a ban on cars burning carcongenic additives in unleaded fuel etc. So given a choice, if I have to, I'm going to suck a cigaratte not a car exhaust. In the end I think this is about how far they can push us with ridiculous measures as a test of control.

At the moment nearly everyone is going along with it. How predictable!

[ryethorpe]

In a lot of public spaces there is already a smoking ban and slowely there building this up..today many restaurants for example have a smoking corner where you can smoke but that is something that they will ban from 1july this year also.

That is pretty weird because a smoking corner is a good solution!

Here you can read everything about it:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookverbod
Translate it with this http://babelfish.altavista.com/ ..it,s translating it pretty good!

Like this? But I get the picture - control

Moreover the horecazaken must rookafzuig - or verluchtingssysteem the that embarrassment for non-smoker has limited as much as possible. Cafés which are not non-smoking, can serve further only certain well-defined light meals, and must produce sale of those meals less than 1/3 of the total turnover. Thus they can serve for example no potatoes.

[danucrom]

Thats all the cannabis cafes out of business then.

[danucrom]

even though i am a smoker, i'm one of the few whos not against smoking ban..

it is harming other ppl and thats a quite good reason imo. a smoking corner would be the best solution

Enthusastic obedience, what every model citzen should aspire to.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/03/04/facts.china.reut/vstory.red.book.afp.jpg

[alice34]

I'm a non smoker but this smoking ban is a load of old rollox. I'd much prefer a ban on cars burning carcongenic additives in unleaded fuel etc. So given a choice, if I have to, I'm going to suck a cigaratte not a car exhaust. In the end I think this is about how far they can push us with ridiculous measures as a test of control.

At the moment nearly everyone is going along with it. How predictable!


yup. amen.

[amar7]

Enthusastic obedience, what every model citzen should aspire to.


http://www.mr-gadget.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bullshit.jpg

[danucrom]

http://www.mr-gadget.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bullshit.jpg


In fairness amar laws like the smoking ban are designed to remind you who is boss.They have nothing to do with protecting health.

[chromeranger]

In fairness amar laws like the smoking ban are designed to remind you who is boss.They have nothing to do with protecting health.

Kind of true, but the generation of politicians making these legislations are naturally born to sway to fanatical health solutions. My boss likes his Camels. It seems like more countries in the EU are inspired by the model nanny state that the UK is now. I myself am a smoker and am not really against the smoking ban.. Too many people light up a cheap smelling cigarette full of additives out of necessity and out of context rather than appreciating the flavour of a sacred plant. I used to go to nice local cafes to enjoy a nice organic espresso and a fag, but times have changed.

[chromeranger]

Tom Waits & Iggy Pop - Coffee and Cigarettes - YouTube

[baron von lotsov]

What next? A ban on brothels there? :p


No. The brothels are part of the NWO plan. You see they degrade people and hence make them easier to control. How would you fancy standing in a shop window selling yourself to some dirty old man? You see the Dutch are very closely connected to the elite and you have a lot of ango-dutch business, e.g. Shell, the ING bank (with no branches ofcourse!).

[tattooverb]

here is the strange thing
in coffee-shops you can still smoke pot but you can no longer smoke tobacco

[tattooverb]

actually large sections of the red light districts both in amsterdam and around the country are being shut down

[the infinite one]

here is the strange thing
in coffee-shops you can still smoke pot but you can no longer smoke tobacco


LOL. what's the point in that? stupid laws!

[h2pogo]

Thats all the cannabis cafes out of business then.

no i heard you can still smoke weed /hash it just tobbaco thats banned.

[tattooverb]

LOL. what's the point in that? stupid laws!

most new laws tend to be stupid
control the sheeple
make amsterdam more acceptable to the eu
shame really as the netherlands becomes increasingly more conservative amsterdam is fast loosing it's charm of freedoms both tangible and imagined

[chattanova]

no i heard you can still smoke weed /hash it just tobbaco thats banned.

Thats right, the tobacco have been changed out with dried flowers++.

[homebrew1973]

Put quite simply, the smoking ban is downright stupid, especially in places like pubs and cafes as well as the likes of payphones and bus shelters. Why not just have smoking and non-smoking areas in the likes of pubs and cafes? And it really makes me :mad: hearing those hypocrites saying they don`t like their clothes smelling of smoke then get in their car and emit so much smoke on everyone else :mad:

[tattooverb]

LOL. what's the point in that? stupid laws!

here are some new stupid laws for you

article below from expatica dutch news (overview of news throughout the netherlands translated and paraphrased in english)

Dutch border towns close coffee-shops24/10/2008 00:00
Two Dutch towns say they will close their cannabis smoking coffee-shops to ward off 25,000 French and Belgian 'drug tourists'.
24 October 2008

THE HAGUE - Two Dutch towns said Thursday they planned to close their cannabis smoking coffee-shops after admitting that an influx of up to 25,000 French and Belgian "drug tourists" each week had become too much.

Local authorities in southwestern Roosendaal and Bergen-op-Doom announced they could no longer cope with the "drug tourists" whose presence they blamed for traffic congestion, crime and unlicensed dealing.

"Soft drug tourism is the motor of criminality linked to (harder) drugs," they said in a joint statement. "It has an overwhelming negative effect on public order."

All eight coffee-shops in the two towns will shut, with closures beginning in February 2009.

"The mayor of Roosendaal thinks we could close them all within two years," town hall spokeswoman Marjolein Koppens told AFP.

Until then, all local coffee-shops will be forced to limit the sale of cannabis to two grammes per customer per day instead of the current five grammes.

Liberal drugs laws in the Netherlands allow people to carry five grammes of marijuana on their person without being prosecuted.

Another border town, Terneuzen, announced Wednesday it would toughen its local by-laws on the sale of cannabis from May 2009. Opening hours would be restricted and the amount each customer could buy would also be reduced.

[AFP / Expatica]

[logic bomb]

Why not just have smoking and non-smoking areas in the likes of pubs and cafes?

When I was there at the beginning of August (after the smoking ban had begun) this is exactly how it was. I had no trouble finding cafe's to smoke tobacco in.

[deckard]

what will they mix their marijuana with?

[logic bomb]

what will they mix their marijuana with?

Smoke it pure. I thought you were Australian?

[deckard]

Smoke it pure. I thought you were Australian?

we smoke it both ways, not me personally, I gave the weed away ages ago.

[homebrew1973]

Dope`s meant to be illegal in the UK yet the amount of different shaped and sized bongs I`ve seen in numerous shops beggars belief :confused: Friends of mine used to make them out of all sorts of things, was like something out of Blue Peter :rolleyes:

[nowimgone]

Soft Secrets cant even publish a nice weed piccy on their front page now, something to do with inciting or influencing through paraphenalia.
Its illegal to talk about it now apparantly.
tings are moving on but not in the way i'd like.

im still living in the future where hemp 'n embryos rule the landscape of england. looks like im the only one there

[deckard]

Soft Secrets cant even publish a nice weed piccy on their front page now, something to do with inciting or influencing through paraphenalia.
Its illegal to talk about it now apparantly.
tings are moving on but not in the way i'd like.
im still living in the future where hemp 'n embryos rule the landscape of england. looks like im the only one there

Dont worry when they ban all the drugs, there will be beer to fall back on.

[disorder2k8]

Yes, it starts as a smoking corner but it will end up as a smoking island:(

[homebrew1973]

Dont worry when they ban all the drugs, there will be beer to fall back on.
I wouldn`t be so sure about that, not here in the UK anyway. The amount of pubs that have closed because of a combination of the smoking ban, high rent from breweries or the high tax on alcohol is a crying shame :( I`ll have to get a few more beer kits methinks ;)

[tattooverb]

Dont worry when they ban all the drugs, there will be beer to fall back on.

that sucks i hate beer

[chaozine]

Dont worry when they ban all the drugs, there will be beer to fall back on.

Fuck beer. I want my hemp.

[jahzel]

More unecessary control.

If Bill Hicks was still alive today - all these non-smoking tossers would be knocked right off their high horse.

[deckard]

Fuck beer. I want my hemp.

Hemp is for boys, drink beer and be a man.

[chaozine]

Hemp is for boys, drink beer and be a man.

I think it's the other way around ;)

[deckard]

I think it's the other way around ;)

Well your wrong, its not.

[chaozine]

Well your wrong, its not.

How mature of you to call any other opinion than yours wrong. Time to grow up! :p

[deckard]

How mature of you to call any other opinion than yours wrong. Time to grow up! :p

I speak from years of experience and observation, decades in fact.
And drugs are definitely for immature people, beer on the other hand is for men.

[nowimgone]

Hmmm....

Personally, if i drink more than a couple of beers, my cheeks will flush red, i'll piss like a pensioner and i get a headache, not to mention the shits for two days afterwards. Forget getting jiggy, booze numbs me EVERYWHERE, which is why going on the pull and drinking dont go together too well, for me anyway.
Hemp on the other hand....

Give me a smoke, a horny stoner chick and an afternoon in bed anyday over high priced chemical carbonated pish, surrounded by meatheads at the local cattle market. Real cattlemarkets are more civilised.

I can handle small amounts of brandy, and absynth was good when i was younger, but nowadays its one pint for sentiments sake followed by coca cola, if at all.

NYC Diesel, Cheese, Bubblegum and any haze. These are my favorites that i will go out of my way to aquire...... mmm

[chaozine]

I speak from years of experience and observation, decades in fact.
And drugs are definitely for immature people, beer on the other hand is for men.

I speak from years of experience and observation too. Why bring word drugs to this conversation if we were talking about hemp. Hemp grows naturally on our planet. Beer is made by people. So i think beer is the drug not hemp.

Why you judge people by what they use on their own spare time? It's not of your damn business what they put in their bodies.

[deckard]

I speak from years of experience and observation too. Why bring word drugs to this conversation if we were talking about hemp. Hemp grows naturally on our planet. Beer is made by people. So i think beer is the drug not hemp.
Why you judge people by what they use on their own spare time? It's not of your damn business what they put in their bodies.

now now dont blow a gasket, I'm quite free to say what I think is bad for people and what isnt, so build a bridge and get over it.

hemp is just an old nickname for marijuana.

[tattooverb]

I've been told that there is going to be a smoking ban in Amsterdam this summer.

No smoking in public places just like in this Country.

Anyone heard about this?

More freedoms are being taken away.

more new laws coming article below from expatica

"Dutch cities seek ways to reduce drug tourism30/10/2008 00:00
Although its slack regulation on soft drug use has consistently attracted huge numbers of tourists, it has also brought in negative elements that Dutch officials no longer wish to ignore.
The Netherlands -- Popping into the Netherlands to take advantage of its soft drugs policy could become more difficult if a group of Dutch municipal officials have their way.
The Dutch association for municipalities, VNG, announced Tuesday that it will host a soft drugs summit in the third week of November in Maastricht. Participants will seek ways to discourage tourists who visit the Netherlands to take advantage of its liberal drug laws. By extension, the summit also seeks to reduce drug-related crime.
This meeting comes in the wake of last week's decision by the southwestern Dutch towns of Roosendaal and Bergen op Zoom to gradually close their local "coffee shops" in an attempt to reduce drug-related crimes.
All Dutch cities and towns close to the German or Belgian borders are invited to the summit. Afterward, the VNG will present the city’s position to the government.
The goal, according to VNG, is to get the government to negotiate an international soft drugs policy with Belgium and Germany.
The sale and use of so-called soft drugs, such as marijuana, is legal in the Netherlands in designated locations, which are referred to as "coffee shops."
The production and distribution of soft drugs, however, remains illegal.
Despite this regulation, Maastricht mayor Gerd Leers calls the current Dutch drugs policy "hypocritical." He says it enables drug-related crime and also increases the sale and distribution of hard drugs, such as heroin.
Maastricht is one of many Dutch cities suffering from drug related crime. The city is visited by more than 1.5 million drugs tourists per year and has 16 "coffee shops": 10 more than in other Dutch cities of comparable size that are not located close to the border.
Police estimate Maastricht also has more than 100 "soft drugs supermarkets" illegal stores where one can purchase soft drugs in larger quantities that exceed the 5 grams per person limit under Dutch law.
Leers said police officers in his city deal with triple the amount of crime as their colleagues in the metropolitan area of The Hague.
According to police officials most of the crime in Maastricht is drug related and the number of drug related murders increase each year."
DPA/Expatica

[truthinlove]

beer is perfectly legal, accepted, and pushed on us (in the states).

green is illegal and scoffed by many "law-abiding" american sheep.

marijuana opens our minds and gets us thinking. beer makes many depressed and belligerent. what does that tell you???

tptb know what is more threatening to them.

[supertzar]

Beer limits one to the socio-sexual brain circuit while Cannabis turns on the hedonic bliss circuit. Beer is a twelve year old brat, Cannabis is an eighteen year old hottie.