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kweli
19-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Tighten your seat belts, here we go, looks like the ride's about to get a wee bit rougher.


Brown unveils national security strategy

Gordon Brown, who told parliament: 'The risks we face have ... changed beyond recognition'. Photograph: PA Wire

A national security forum will be set up and a "register of risks" published under Britain's first national security strategy, unveiled by Gordon Brown today.

Members of the public will also be invited to join new local civil defence networks under the plans.

In a statement to the Commons, the prime minister said he was taking the unprecedented step of publishing the strategy, which details all the threats to the UK, because "the risks we face have, in recent decades, changed beyond recognition".

Publishing the long-awaited document, which will be updated annually, Brown also made a string of announcements on security-related issues, including:

• increased retention bonuses worth up to £15,000 for long-serving servicemen and women

• security service staffing levels to rise to 4,000, double the number in 2001

• the previously-confidential national register of risks to be published later this year, "so the Briitsh public can see at first hand the challenges we face"

• the creation of a national security forum, bringing together business leaders, academics, community organisations and military and security experts to advise the government on security

• a 1,000-strong British civilian force to be available for stabilisation work in fragile or failing states

• increased powers for the parliamentary intelligence and security committee

The announcement was broadly welcomed by the Conservatives, although David Cameron suggested that the national security forum could turn into a "talking shop" and that it would be better to have a proper national security council.

Brown dismissed this saying, saying that the government already had a national security committee that he chaired and that that performed the role of Cameron's proposed council.

Under the civil defence network proposal, people would be invited to join groups run by local councils. They might help evacuate elderly people in the event of a flood, or even play a role in the aftermath of a terrorist attack.

In his statement Brown said: "For most of the last half century the main threat was unmistakable: a cold war adversary. Today, the potential threats we face come from far less predictable sources: both state and non-state.

"Once, when there was instability in faraway regions or countries, we had a choice – to become involved or not.

"Today no country is in the old sense far away when the consequences of regional instability and terrorism – and then also climate change, poverty, mass population, movements and even organised crime – reverberate quickly around the globe."

Anti-terrorism measures
Brown said Britain now faced 30 known terrorists plots and that the authorities were monitoring 200 networks and around 2,000 individuals. He said four regional counter-terrorism units would be set up and four regional intelligence units, "significantly increasing anti-terrorism policy capability in the regions".

The resources available to the joint terrorism analysis centre would increase by 10%, Brown said, and it would be given "a new focus on the longer-term challenge of investigating the path to violent extremism".

There would also be more money for GCHQ, the government's monitoring centre, where "new technical capabilities to root out terrorism" were being developed.

The military
Brown said the government had already raised military pay. In addition to the new retention bonuses, the government would also invest £20m in a home purchase fund for service personnel.

Nuclear non-proliferation
Brown said: "Britain will be at the forefront of diplomatic action on nuclear weapons control and reduction, offering a new bargain to non-nuclear powers."

Britain would host an international conference on the issue, Brown said. He wanted a new international system to non-nuclear powers get the energy sources they need, in return for tougher controls on non-proliferation.

Failing states
Brown said: "In the same way that we have military forces ready to respond to conflict, we must have civilian experts and professionals ready to deploy quickly to assist failing states and to help rebuild countries emerging from conflict, putting them on the road to economic and political recovery."

Britain would make a 1,000-strong civilian force available on standby capacity for this work. It would include the police, emergency service personnel, and judges.

Intelligence and security committee
Brown said the government would give the parliamentary intelligence and security committee more power.

"This will lead to more parliamentary debate on security matters, public hearings on the national security strategy, and, as promised, greater transparency over appointments to the committee so that the committee can not only review intelligence and security but also perform a public role … in reporting and informing the county on security matters."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/19/terrorism.uksecurity1?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

quest
19-03-2008, 10:55 PM
Thank for posting the information about this. I didn't realise they were going so far so quickly; very worrying stuff indeed from the people that will charge us dearly for all this nonsense.

30 known terrorists plots ... 200 networks ... 2,000 individuals... four regional counter-terrorism units ... four regional intelligence units

More attacks on us from our dear government in the summer season?

chipstyxx
19-03-2008, 11:40 PM
This is all quite scary stuff! What does "stabilisation work" mean exactly? Who are the fragile and failing states" and what powers would this 1000 strong civilian force have to carry it out??

Where the hell does all this money come from to increase or hold on to the armed forces?? . We are slaving away each day to pay for their emerging police state. :mad:

steevo
19-03-2008, 11:52 PM
I knew all along that the mainstream media was just HYPING up that the government is not looking after our soldiers financially. It was a "problem, reaction, solution" thing so that they then had an excuse to pay the soldiers more (ie to encourage more people to join up).

chipstyxx
19-03-2008, 11:56 PM
Hmm, actually now I think about it, "stabilisation" translates as "control". A civilian front of doctors and emergency workers to look selfless and heroic whilst the army trample all over the failing state. Any one got any ideas on who these failing states might be? Who's next?

steevo
20-03-2008, 12:00 AM
Hmm, actually now I think about it, "stabilisation" translates as "control". A civilian front of doctors and emergency workers to look selfless and heroic whilst the army trample all over the failing state. Any one got any ideas on who these failing states might be? Who's next?

They like to go into countries for example if a tsunami hits and then take contol that way. They also pose as charity workers and give everyone vaccinations.

kweli
20-03-2008, 02:01 PM
This is all quite scary stuff! What does "stabilisation work" mean exactly? Who are the fragile and failing states" and what powers would this 1000 strong civilian force have to carry it out??

Where the hell does all this money come from to increase or hold on to the armed forces?? . We are slaving away each day to pay for their emerging police state. :mad:

It is indeed scary stuff Chipstyxx! We have every need to be concerned here. WTF does it all mean?

In full: Brown security statement: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7304999.stm

stickwhistler
20-03-2008, 02:17 PM
The document below might provide a clue as to how HMG are thinking.


http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4DFA218B-7B49-4EDB-82BD-770928C6334F/0/20071218_strat_trends_prog_U_DCDCIMAPPS.pdf

This is the site if the above link doesn't work

www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/MicroSite/DCDC/OurPublications/StrategicTrends+Programme/

The document is the 2007-2036 one.

kweli
20-03-2008, 02:19 PM
The document below might provide a clue as to how HMG are thinking.


http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/4DFA218B-7B49-4EDB-82BD-770928C6334F/0/20071218_strat_trends_prog_U_DCDCIMAPPS.pdf

This is the site if the above link doesn't work

www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/MicroSite/DCDC/OurPublications/StrategicTrends+Programme/

The document is the 2007-2036 one.

Thanks matey, I'll take a read of that

redhead
20-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Members of the public will also be invited to join new local civil defence networks under the plans.


Civil Defence : The organisation and training of civilians to protect lives and property during wartime.

Whos lives and who's property?

What Brown could be attempting is to create a snoopers army of little Hitler's (UK's version of the S.S) and in times of greater security no doubt in his fanciful imagination have people carrying ID cards so the jobsworths can demand ID in the interests of Queen and country.

I wonder what nicknames will crop up?

BROWN SHIRTS ???
Now where we heard of brown shirts before?

In 1921 Adolf Hitler formed his own private army called Sturm Abteilung (Storm Section). The SA (also known as stormtroopers or brownshirts) were instructed to disrupt the meetings of political opponents and to protect Hitler from revenge attacks.

deca
20-03-2008, 02:32 PM
hmmm if any more banks go bust will we be a failing state?

chipstyxx
20-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Thanks Stickwhistler for the pdf. This stuff is unbelievable!! Everyone should take the time to read it.

It comes across to me as they know exactly what is going to happen... It's as if this is a thinly veiled message to those in the know and a huge chunk of scaremongering to prepare those they don't consider 'in the know'.

Preparing for a 'mega seismic disaster' ( I had a strange nagging feeling about that recent 'warm up quake' in the uk) and looking back to the black death to prepare for all eventuallities.??! also including threats that might appear to some to 'verge on the fantastic'. like what ET invasion???

Never mind about brown shirts, it's brown trouser time for me. :eek:

I am trying to stay calm however, as I don't want to give into the fear.

jhado
20-03-2008, 06:56 PM
Sounds a bit like DEFRA-UK to me. Our friends from the USA on this forum can tell us about those lovely DEFRA folk.