i'm afraid

[seashrimp]

I was brought up in a pentecostal household, Mum was a born again christian but my Dad wasn't. I held christian beliefs until I had children, I decided that God wasn't fair some people had things 'easier' than others. Why do some children have birth defects and have to suffer? how can god create some 'perfect' and some with major disabilities?
My Mum was ill in the last few years of her life but never lost her trust or faith in her Lord Jesus.

My partner is very interested in David icke's findings and I bought him some David Icke books for xmas. He's started finding out about the annunaki and i've watched some of theZeitgiest movie.

Although I was never a christian I feel scared that what I was brought up to believe in no longer seems possible. Everything my Mum put up with over the years, an unhappy marriage with my father, was it all a huge waste of time. My Mum was a woman of integrity and lived her life according to the scriptures.

I did always believe that Jesus had the ultimate power over satan. I used to have these weird dreams, I was in bed and was being crushed & dragged away by an unseen entity It would only subside when I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.

What hope is there if our destiny is controlled by reptiles/illuminati? We can't ever have victory over them. I used to think at least my Mum is at peace with her saviour.
I want to know more but don't want to at the same time.

Thanks for reading this

[edelweiss pirate]

I did always believe that Jesus had the ultimate power over satan. I used to have these weird dreams, I was in bed and was being crushed & dragged away by an unseen entity It would only subside when I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.


I'd advise you not to throw Jesus out with the bathwater... There's a reason for the myth of Jesus and it's occurrance through time and space.

It's a positive protective archetype. Those who think they're freeing you by denying you your faith are doing the oppostive, they are making you defenceless against the devil...

Anyone who naysays what I'm saying has obviously either never met the devil or has already been mind controlled and is their slave.

[lifeofbrian]

From what I've come to understand through a lot of religious believers over the years, God as such might be real but not to blame for what people do to themselves or each other.

Isn't it interesting how people seem to ask a God/the Gods why people do bad things?

Why not ask the people doing it?

Free will can be a bitch.

[hutanic]

Please if you will try to forget jesus, reptiles and other story's for one moment and ask your self this...


....if there is truly all knowing, all powerful one who is perfection, would he allow one soul to be forever doomed and controlled by any demonic power?

Fear is just emotion (an impulse) of this body if you can, try to view it that way and liberate your self from it.

Take care :)

[thirdwave]

I was brought up in a pentecostal household, Mum was a born again christian but my Dad wasn't. I held christian beliefs until I had children, I decided that God wasn't fair some people had things 'easier' than others. Why do some children have birth defects and have to suffer? how can god create some 'perfect' and some with major disabilities?
My Mum was ill in the last few years of her life but never lost her trust or faith in her Lord Jesus.

My partner is very interested in David icke's findings and I bought him some David Icke books for xmas. He's started finding out about the annunaki and i've watched some of theZeitgiest movie.

Although I was never a christian I feel scared that what I was brought up to believe in no longer seems possible. Everything my Mum put up with over the years, an unhappy marriage with my father, was it all a huge waste of time. My Mum was a woman of integrity and lived her life according to the scriptures.

I did always believe that Jesus had the ultimate power over satan. I used to have these weird dreams, I was in bed and was being crushed & dragged away by an unseen entity It would only subside when I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.

What hope is there if our destiny is controlled by reptiles/illuminati? We can't ever have victory over them. I used to think at least my Mum is at peace with her saviour.
I want to know more but don't want to at the same time.

Thanks for reading this

who ever Jesus was... what ever his real name and real life story was.. he was only telling us the same message as many before told us and many after... and many today are telling us....

to keep it short... reach inwards and find peace and power from within.... not outwards....

not easy because we have been conditioned not to do so...so much so that's its in bedded in our DNA!, and it seems all the "Jesus" type people have not had much joy!

close your eyes..turn them around and look inwards.... what's there??

time for people to start looking, and stop being afraid of it and looking for something else to take responsibility....

If you are a decent person (which you must be to type this thread) then no need to be afraid of your self.

[greenleaf]

My best advice [4 what little worth it has] I would say look up Ian Lungold and teach yourself about the fact the crap happens and you can live with it... you don't have to be a part of it...
On another note.... I CAN promise you a good future as there are many changes ahead with new times upon us, and for most freethinkers this is what we have been expecting...not many can deny they 'feel' the change in effect and I have it on good enough authority for me [7 yr old kid] we will be OK and actually like the change.:) .

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

we cannot hope to fully understand God at this level, it's impossible-

The reptilians want you to feel hopeless- if u despair then you are no longer fighting back. They do not control our destiny-trust me or id have been taken out long ago...it is only when u give up hope that they control you.

The Illuminati may seem powerful-but they are just pawns themselves....they think they have true knowledge-like being possessed will grant them real power-in giving themselves to these parasitic entities they loose themselves, and thus they loose their personal power over their will....this is not real power

[blokey]

Anyone who naysays what I'm saying has obviously either never met the devil or has already been mind controlled and is their slave.

Or doesn't look at the world through your filter, afterall we all have an individual filter, don't you agree?

Importantly some people don't realise they have a filter, that's sometimes called a Messianic Personality.

[freeworld]

seashrimp :) how old are you ?

[thirdwave]

Anyone who naysays what I'm saying has obviously either never met the devil or has already been mind controlled and is their slave.



have a good read at what you have just said there....

[jim fear]

I think what would help you would be some good research into theology; every “great story” has a light and dark side the bibles no different. Research was this stuff is from and you’ll realise that in the light of modern day that there aren’t any demons or anything. Relax!

The main sources for the reptilians are sitchins work (which has errors occurring to various scalars), credo mutwa (who has that necklace I’m sure your all familiar with) and the rest is word just of mouth stuff, there aren’t any pictures of these lizards only pencil drawings!

As a general rule things work out beautifully: Y2K? Remember that? No? that’s Because nothing came of it. It’ll be all right!

[cleft_asunder]

I was brought up in a pentecostal household, Mum was a born again christian but my Dad wasn't. I held christian beliefs until I had children, I decided that God wasn't fair some people had things 'easier' than others. Why do some children have birth defects and have to suffer? how can god create some 'perfect' and some with major disabilities?
My Mum was ill in the last few years of her life but never lost her trust or faith in her Lord Jesus.

My partner is very interested in David icke's findings and I bought him some David Icke books for xmas. He's started finding out about the annunaki and i've watched some of theZeitgiest movie.

Although I was never a christian I feel scared that what I was brought up to believe in no longer seems possible. Everything my Mum put up with over the years, an unhappy marriage with my father, was it all a huge waste of time. My Mum was a woman of integrity and lived her life according to the scriptures.

I did always believe that Jesus had the ultimate power over satan. I used to have these weird dreams, I was in bed and was being crushed & dragged away by an unseen entity It would only subside when I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.

What hope is there if our destiny is controlled by reptiles/illuminati? We can't ever have victory over them. I used to think at least my Mum is at peace with her saviour.
I want to know more but don't want to at the same time.

Thanks for reading this

Your belief is what counts, so if Jesus as a seperate God --a father figure-- makes you comfortable, then go with it. It really doesn't matter what you believe in so long as you believe it. It will be real for you.

Even those who have discovered their true self --God experiencing itself subjectively in form-- say that in the deepest sense we are God, yet at the same time God remains something greater. This is because in order for the multiverse to continue, God cannot reveal itself fully to form-identities such as humans. If God did let itself be re-discovered fully, then absolute knowledge would destroy the multiverse.

[synergy777]

as long as we the people of the world,

rise above the divide and rule tactics of the elite,

and have courage, compassion and unite,

we will be ok.

do not underestimate the power of us, united,

never have the elite had to contend with worlds population united.

this will be the first time the worlds people

thanks to technology have informed themselves of the agenda,

this will be the time when we win.

its going to be challenging,

but we will win.

have trust/faith in yourself/spirit and others.

cheer up, theres people here to defeat the nwo.

1love/peace

[freeworld]

as long as we the people of the world, rise above the divide and rule tactics of the elite, and have courage, compassion and unite, we will be ok.

do not underestimate the power of us, united,

never have the elite had to contend with worlds population united.

this will be the first time the worlds people thanks to technology have informed themselves of the agenda,

this will be the time when we in.

its going to be challenging,

but we will win.

have trust/faith in yourself/spirit and others.

cheer up, theres people here to defeat the nwo.

1love/peace

Great Speech my friend :)

[synergy777]

been watching too much gladiator, lol and 10,000 bc got me thinking,

an awakening is happening,

as the pace and cost of life becomes too great for the people,

and yet we see the elite being even more corrupt/indulgent/double standards,

people are beginning to wake up,

its like every aspect of human activity/thoughts is being magnified.

as lone as each individual does all that he/she can

when all these actions are added up,

it amounts to an awesome effort,

an effort that will be more powerful than the elites.

we the people, are more than the sum of our parts/actions.

we as a team, family, collective, alliance etc,

who can stop us?

[kblood]

Any kind of faith can be both a shield and a mind control.

E. Pirate says Jesus is his shield against the devil, and the way I see it, that is how he visualises it. Its impossible for us to prove that say Jesus could ever exist for a person who never knew anything about Jesus.

Would stigmata happen to someone who never knew of crucification or the legend of stigmata? Hard to say, but I believe subconciousness has alot to do with it and what we attact or create around ourselves.

several times in my life I have been surprised how much the world can change when I change my perception of it, and my belief about the world. When belief is so strong you would claim to KNOW it is so, then you wont bother to ever question it, and therefore it wont be disproven.

So when it comes to reptillians, there ought to be many ways of fending them off, being in awe of them and fearing them is the way to attract reptillians or similar beings. Doing the opposite will protect you, and Jesus will protect you if that is the belief which make you feel safe.

Basic christian beliefs are okay as I see it, the prejudice it often brings along is what I dislike about it. It tries to say we are all equal and we dont have spiritual evolution or stages, we are all equal. Still people who worships nature and fertility i.e. is against christianity, although it follows some of the basic concepts, and as far as I know started having their roots in the same beliefs.

When your religion and belief is something you need to defend your whole life, then it most likely becomes a burden, and when you are undicided it will split your mind untill you find something you can believe and have faith in. Our minds crave to have some way of understanding it all. A basic way to know what is good and what isnt. Religion tries to make it easy to know, and I see religion as being necesary in some ways.

I like to think that the way I see it is a way that can explain and justify all other religions and beliefs in a way, but then dont we all want to believe what we believe is the truth? We can of course never know for sure, because we will never know how much is short lived illusions, and if conciousness and collective conciousnesses is what is creating everything, then everything is nothing but periodical illusions.

[damagedbrainn]

What would be the point of a perfect world? How would anyone learn anything or make any sort of progressive development? What motive would they even have to do so if everything were perfect just the way it is?

And is it good for a parent to take care of everything for their child, solve their every problem, take their every burden, and so on? Or would that hinder the proper development and growth of that child, virtually rendering it an atrophied dependent incapable of caring for itself?

[synergy777]

i think we should see yashuah as an example to be inspired by, to try to fulfill our potential, to do good, to conquer the evil within and the evil outside you.

to get courage from his life, works, teachings and thus to recognise our spiritual nature and to develop ourselves and free this planet from the evil cabal which controls it.

not only yashuah but krishna, the sikh guru's aswell.

[utukxul]

I was brought up in a pentecostal household, Mum was a born again christian but my Dad wasn't. I held christian beliefs until I had children, I decided that God wasn't fair some people had things 'easier' than others. Why do some children have birth defects and have to suffer? how can god create some 'perfect' and some with major disabilities?
My Mum was ill in the last few years of her life but never lost her trust or faith in her Lord Jesus.

My partner is very interested in David icke's findings and I bought him some David Icke books for xmas. He's started finding out about the annunaki and i've watched some of theZeitgiest movie.

Although I was never a christian I feel scared that what I was brought up to believe in no longer seems possible. Everything my Mum put up with over the years, an unhappy marriage with my father, was it all a huge waste of time. My Mum was a woman of integrity and lived her life according to the scriptures.

I did always believe that Jesus had the ultimate power over satan. I used to have these weird dreams, I was in bed and was being crushed & dragged away by an unseen entity It would only subside when I rebuked it in the name of Jesus.

What hope is there if our destiny is controlled by reptiles/illuminati? We can't ever have victory over them. I used to think at least my Mum is at peace with her saviour.
I want to know more but don't want to at the same time.

Thanks for reading this

I do really feel with you, cause i have been there to.
And stop right there, before you get your self some new information about your truth. you should first of all take good care about your self and the people around you. when dealing with your own reality,you really need to have the strength to do so. it´s a simple logic thinking. after that you can listen to all wonderful peoples and their theori , who just want you the best.

All im saying is that before you smile, you must find your own courage to do so.

[utukxul]

I just looked at the start date and its quite old, hope you are alright or better ??

[cleft_asunder]

What would be the point of a perfect world? How would anyone learn anything or make any sort of progressive development? What motive would they even have to do so if everything were perfect just the way it is?

And is it good for a parent to take care of everything for their child, solve their every problem, take their every burden, and so on? Or would that hinder the proper development and growth of that child, virtually rendering it an atrophied dependent incapable of caring for itself?

I understand your point, and only partly agree. I believe this idea is a damaging idea designed by the Illuminati --or perhaps we're responsible for it-- which has us believe that a utopia is something undesirable. We will become weak and frail mentally and physically, at the mercy of space-civilizations or other-dimentional entities hardened by the harshness of misery and suffering. We will become bored and apathetic.

Balls to that I say. The school of hard knocks isn't the only way to learn. A utopia would strengthen humanity to it's highest potential through positive discipline! A utopia would allow us to go into the stars finally, and the whole multiverse opens up to us.

[zero1]

I understand your point, and only partly agree. I believe this idea is a damaging idea designed by the Illuminati --or perhaps we're responsible for it-- which has us believe that a utopia is something undesirable. We will become weak and frail mentally and physically, at the mercy of space-civilizations or other-dimentional entities hardened by the harshness of misery and suffering. We will become bored and apathetic.

Balls to that I say. The school of hard knocks isn't the only way to learn. A utopia would strengthen humanity to it's highest potential through positive discipline! A utopia would allow us to go into the stars finally, and the whole multiverse opens up to us.

You are right. Excellent post! :) The PTB always want you to think the way things are, the way the world is presented to you, is the ONLY way possible, and indeed the best of all possible worlds (absurdly). Don't believe it!

[damagedbrainn]

I understand your point, and only partly agree. I believe this idea is a damaging idea designed by the Illuminati --or perhaps we're responsible for it-- which has us believe that a utopia is something undesirable. We will become weak and frail mentally and physically, at the mercy of space-civilizations or other-dimentional entities hardened by the harshness of misery and suffering. We will become bored and apathetic.

Balls to that I say. The school of hard knocks isn't the only way to learn. A utopia would strengthen humanity to it's highest potential through positive discipline! A utopia would allow us to go into the stars finally, and the whole multiverse opens up to us.

Utopian daydreams are the sparks that ignite war.

It's easy to get people to agree that the world should be a "paradise", it's much more difficult (really impossible) to get everyone to agree on what qualifies as a "paradise". This leads to conflict, and the more powerful those dreams of Utopia are, the worse the conflict gets.

Everyone who has ever picked up a gun or dropped a bomb did so for what they personally believed were good intentions; those intentions being the making of a more "perfect" world.

There will be peace (or at least more peace) when people realize that a utopia where nothing bad ever happens is impossible. You can make the world better, but you can never make it perfect....at least not without destroying it in the process.

[cleft_asunder]

You are right. Excellent post! :) The PTB always want you to think the way things are, the way the world is presented to you, is the ONLY way possible, and indeed the best of all possible worlds (absurdly). Don't believe it!

EXACTLY. :)

[synergy777]

it depends on your view of utopia, everyones view is different.

do you want a pristine/minmalistic borg like existence or do you want indviduality and creative expression/freedoms for all.

i think peace (inner and outer)

harmony (within, eachother and nature/technology)

liberty and unity for all

people recognsing each others right to be individuals/independance/heritage-culture

but also recognising our interdependance/common gorund

these are all good qualities

if supressed technology like free energy/tesla was released, then things would change, less pollution, no cost.

if intelligent means of agriculture were impemented, we could have sustainable growth in harmony with nature.

if we had an economic system deisgned not to profit the elite, or consumed with short term profits, rather than long term sustainable organic growth.

many factors contribute to the current state of affairs, when you correct these factors and then connect them together, you will have a new system with genuine goals, which would work.

[utukxul]

Utopian daydreams are the sparks that ignite war.

It's easy to get people to agree that the world should be a "paradise", it's much more difficult (really impossible) to get everyone to agree on what qualifies as a "paradise". This leads to conflict, and the more powerful those dreams of Utopia are, the worse the conflict gets.

Everyone who has ever picked up a gun or dropped a bomb did so for what they personally believed were good intentions; those intentions being the making of a more "perfect" world.

There will be peace (or at least more peace) when people realize that a utopia where nothing bad ever happens is impossible. You can make the world better, but you can never make it perfect....at least not without destroying it in the process.

nicely put and i believe that the most of the conflict are based on scarce/ meagre recourses. (a tool that is used to create conflict).
And i hope that the future technology take this tool away.
and that will bring us one step closer to peace.

[cleft_asunder]

Utopian daydreams are the sparks that ignite war.

It's easy to get people to agree that the world should be a "paradise", it's much more difficult (really impossible) to get everyone to agree on what qualifies as a "paradise". This leads to conflict, and the more powerful those dreams of Utopia are, the worse the conflict gets.

Everyone who has ever picked up a gun or dropped a bomb did so for what they personally believed were good intentions; those intentions being the making of a more "perfect" world.

There will be peace (or at least more peace) when people realize that a utopia where nothing bad ever happens is impossible. You can make the world better, but you can never make it perfect....at least not without destroying it in the process.

You opened a can of worms with that one. I can't address your post directly because the underlying causes for such strivings for a utopia are the direct result of the Reptilian brain that was given to us, AND covert/overt Reptilian control. The current humanity is, I strongly believe, a modified slave-labor and fear generating species. Perhaps this was all part of our evolution --a VERY harsh evolution through which we finally become 100% HUMAN, whereas currently we are living at a small percentage or fraction of our full potential.
So to say that our strivings for a utopia lead to perpetual war... is only a small part of the story, and completely out of context. :)

I DO agree that hardship makes us strong, and makes things interesting. But progress and learning aren't just about blood on your face. I strongly believe that when we finally realize our full potential as humans --we are currently animals-- that HUGE learning will happen, and not through suffering but finally through peace.

[drael]

Christians generally dont beleive in god, otherwise they wouldnt be so fearful and judgemental - they would know they are in safe hands!

Dont worry, be happy freind :)