A question about mcdonalds.

[cl2008]

Why is it that when I eat one of their "meals" (sandwich+drink+fries) I feel thirsty like I wanna chug down all the water I can. If its "supersized" I start feeling dizzy and uneasy and irritable.

Why is that?

But when I eat only 1 sandwich or just the fries, its ok. I dont feel any side effects.

Any explanation to this?

[thewaycreates]

theres tons of sodium in fast food. maybe your just overloading. that would explain the thirst.

never mind all the other "goodies"(additives,msg etc.) in fast food, which you could attribute the dizzyness too, or that may be from all the refined carbohydrates causing a increase in insulin and a constricting of blood vessels.

[the obliterati]

:eek: dont do that to yourself!

[madthumbs]

Sounds more like what you're eating and drinking rather than it being simply "McDonalds". Fountain sodas aren't always properly mixed and could contain more syrup than they should. Bacteria in the lines and in the ice can cause loose stool depending on how much is consumed. Soft drinks make many people fat.

[psychicdefender]

They get their staff to cover the burger in as much salt as possible immediately after cooking and before being made into a sandwich. Salt makes you thirsty, this makes some people go back for a second drink... Money, money, money... The answer - don't eat in McDonalds or any other fast-food chain, go to a local place, the service is much better and the food should be too!

[truthseeker1980]

They dont get their staff to cover the burgers in salt, i used to work in one when i was at college.

It's probably the MSG, as chinese eat all you like buffets use alot of MSG to make you thirsty so you buy the expensive drinks whilst eating as much of the cheap food as you can.

[graflok]

Before you take another bite, watch this film:
http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=98

[amethyst]

Why is it that when I eat one of their "meals" (sandwich+drink+fries) I feel thirsty like I wanna chug down all the water I can. If its "supersized" I start feeling dizzy and uneasy and irritable.

Why is that?

But when I eat only 1 sandwich or just the fries, its ok. I dont feel any side effects.

Any explanation to this?

They use TONS of sodium in their...er.....um....food.

Ever see the Movie "Supersize Me"?

You''ll never want to eat at Mickeydees again.

[psychicdefender]

They dont get their staff to cover the burgers in salt, i used to work in one when i was at college.

I know that they do from experience, I worked in one of the London Gatwick restaurants before I went to college. Great big salt shaker with a width equalling that of the burger!!! Didn't use it most of the time though and got 'told off' repeatedly for not doing so.

[Mo0n5tar]

Simply put> because it is poisen don't touch it.

[icke_is_right]

Probably instinct cutting in. The body is trying to cleanse itself of the 'food like substance' you've mistakenly ingested.

G

[madthumbs]

Before you take another bite, watch this film:
http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=98

Making documentaries makes people fat and unhealthy. Just look at Michael Moore.

[blokey]

It's probably one of two things, probably both.

1 Aspartame

2 MSG(MonoSodiumGlutomate)

[blokey]

It's probably one of two things, probably both.

1 Aspartame

2 MSG(MonoSodiumGlutomate)



P.S.

Please look both up, this MAY save your life.

[steppewar]

I hadn't been to a McDonald's for about 3 years and then I went to one about 2 months ago ... big mistake.

I had a double cheeseburger and chips and a coke.

The food tasted plastic, I felt really bloated after eating it and had the shit's for 2 days afterwards.

Ah well ..., self-inflicted I suppose.

[monkfish]

Hmm..the place i used to work was just down the road from a mcdonalds so i used to go there 3 or 4 times a week, id finish work in the afternoon and go to sleep waking up in the evening. Since i stopped eating this shit, i havent slept at all in the afternoons and feel far more alive.
Just thought id mention it

[ekx_dissillusioned]

I stopped eating fast food out of the blue about a year ago, now if I try to eat it out of 'convenience' it makes me feel like ive been posessed by some demonic force.


Its disgusting :(

[titurel]

McDonald's "foods" contain Mono Sodium Glutamate, which is a food enhancer. It excites your taste buds making you want to go back for more. The more you eat, the more MSG you want, except you think it's the food that tastes so delicious, but in reality, it's the MSG and that's what makes your mouth dry, and of you consume a lot of it over an extended period, you will suffer withdrawal symptoms, such as anger and irritability.

[je_suis_eveille]

the only thing I ate at McD's were the chicken nuggets...and when I found out that they put a type of LIGHTER FLUID in the nuggets I stopped going there.

http://www.healthywealthynwise.com/article.asp?Article=5103

TBHQ is added to help preserve freshness. Pollan says in his book, “Perhaps the most alarming ingredient in a Chicken McNugget is tertiary butylhydroquinone, or TBHQ, an antioxidant derived from petroleum that is either sprayed directly on the nugget or the inside of the box it comes in to ‘help preserve freshness.’ According to A Consumer’s Dictionary of Food Additives, TBHQ is a form of butane (i.e. lighter fluid) the FDA allows processors to use sparingly in our food.”

Whenever I have a craving... I think of the lighter fluid, and the way I feel after eating that crap.

[Mo0n5tar]

Personally i would like to see a concerted coordinated attack on all mcdonalds outlets in the UK.

[pilgrim]

Personally i would like to see a concerted coordinated attack on all mcdonalds outlets in the UK.

We got God on our side!

http://www.krishna.org/images/Krishna/Ronald.jpg

Liberate The Cows!

http://triyuga.terapad.com/resources/7932/assets/Krishna%20with%20cows%20copy.jpg

SRILA PRABHUPADA: When a man becomes too proud of his material position, he tries to enjoy his senses in an unrestricted way, being influenced by the modes of passion and ignorance. He is thus described as asuric, or demoniac. When people are demoniac in spirit, they are not merciful toward the poor animals. Consequently, they maintain various animal slaughterhouses. This is technically called himsa, which means the killing of living beings. In Kali-yuga, due to the increase of the modes of passion and ignorance, almost all men are asuric, or demoniac; therefore they are very much fond of eating flesh, and for this end they maintain various kinds of animal slaughterhouses.
In this age of Kali the propensity for mercy is almost nil. Consequently there is always fighting and wars between men and nations. Men do not understand that because they unrestrictedly kill so many animals, they also must be slaughtered like animals in big wars. This is very much evident in the Western countries. In the West, slaughterhouses are maintained without restriction, and therefore every fifth or tenth year there is a big war in which countless people are slaughtered even more cruelly than the animals. Sometimes during war, soldiers keep their enemies in concentration camps and kill them in very cruel ways. These are reactions brought about by unrestricted animal-killing in the slaughterhouse and by hunters in the forest. Proud, demoniac persons do not know the laws of nature, or the laws of God. Consequently, they unrestrictedly kill poor animals, not caring for them at all. In Ksrna consciousness, animal-killing is completely prohibited. (Srimad Bhagavatam 4.26.6 Purport)

[blane777]

yeah i totally see your point about this topic,but what about the asians/turks ect that are doing to the uk with all their curry restaurants,kebab houses ect.Damn every week we get menu's pushed through our door offering us all you can eat at home delivered by our friendly driver which is just as bad as theses drive throughs.Hell you dont even need to leave your house in the uk to become obese...insult to injury.

[pilgrim]

yeah i totally see your point about this topic,but what about the asians/turks ect that are doing to the uk with all their curry restaurants,kebab houses ect.Damn every week we get menu's pushed through our door offering us all you can eat at home delivered by our friendly driver which is just as bad as theses drive throughs.Hell you dont even need to leave your house in the uk to become obese...insult to injury.

Yeah, i get totally sick of people pushing Glossy Meat Porn through my letterbox! Dont eat meat, especially cows!

[blane777]

They are just as bad as all the other big M'c corporate firms if you ask me.

[amethyst]

I hadn't been to a McDonald's for about 3 years and then I went to one about 2 months ago ... big mistake.

I had a double cheeseburger and chips and a coke.

The food tasted plastic, I felt really bloated after eating it and had the shit's for 2 days afterwards.

Ah well ..., self-inflicted I suppose.

Rent "Supersize Me" and you'll see what's really in McDonald's food :eek:

[blane777]

Please do tell as i dont have a tv or video in my home :)

[amethyst]

Please do tell as i dont have a tv or video in my home :)

Ahh, too bad...but it's worth viewing (and it's enlightening)....maybe go to a friend's house or something

[blane777]

Ahh, too bad...but it's worth viewing (and it's enlightening)....maybe go to a friend's house or something


heh..is it a horror film about the way they process meat ect ?

[amethyst]

heh..is it a horror film about the way they process meat ect ?

Yes, and much more...what goes into the meat, the fries etc etc.....but I don't want to "spoil" it for ya (no pun intended ;))

[pilgrim]

They are just as bad as all the other big M'c corporate firms if you ask me.

I agree.
Meat is meat.
Murder is murder.

[megafish33]

The best thing you could get at McDonald's is probably the fruit cup if you ask me... :p No thanks, but hold the diseased meat mixed with soy protein on a plastic bun... thanks but no thanks... *barfs*

The reason you get thirsty is because of the sodium and the fact that those sodas do NOT quench thirst in any possible way... If you're addicted just order the fruit besides the soda+fries or get the milk.... taper off that garbage.

[limelady]

If you only ate Mackers once a month and enjoyed it, its not going to do you any lasting harm unless you BELIVE it woll. Everything is an illusion....even food, so if you believe Mackers will harm you, then of course it will. Simple!

These days I believe EVERYTHING I eat is good for me.....and it is. :)

Its all about your present beliefs about your state of reality. ;)

[montag]

If you only ate Mackers once a month and enjoyed it, its not going to do you any lasting harm unless you BELIVE it woll.
Maybe not, but it does do you immediate short acting harm. Last time I had a dose of it it sent me backwards for the rest of the day. It's extremely low vibration food which I believe, if you eat enough will also cause your own vibration to lower causing you to lose energy, awful stuff..

[limelady]

Maybe not, but it does do you immediate short acting harm. Last time I had a dose of it it sent me backwards for the rest of the day. It's extremely low vibration food which I believe, if you eat enough will also cause your own vibration to lower causing you to lose energy, awful stuff..

Well if you believe its "low vibration food", so mote it be! :D

I personally have no such beliefs, so I have no short-term or longer term affects from eating Mackers. In fact, no matter what I eat, it only does me good. :D

[montag]

Well if you believe its "low vibration food", so mote it be! :D


'So mote it be', oh how very Albert Pike of you..:rolleyes:

(joke Joyce:D)


:cool:

[deliciously_fresh]

McDonald's food gives me a headache, so I don't eat it anymore.

When I did, I found that I would crave more within a short space of time after eating it.

[montag]

McDonald's food gives me a headache, so I don't eat it anymore.

When I did, I found that I would crave more within a short space of time after eating it.
It's the sugar rush, Macca's is the perfect combination of sugar, fat and salt..

There's a very good book called Fast food nation, read it and you'll never eat it again..

They don't call it 'fast' food for nothing..

[deliciously_fresh]

It's the sugar rush, Macca's is the perfect combination of sugar, fat and salt..

There's a very good book called Fast food nation, read it and you'll never eat it again..

They don't call it 'fast' food for nothing..

Makes sense.

[limelady]

'So mote it be', oh how very Albert Pike of you..:rolleyes:

(joke Joyce:D)


:cool:

Lol....how did you know? I'm actually ploughing my way through Morals and Dogma at the moment. :D

[montag]

Lol....how did you know? I'm actually ploughing my way through Morals and Dogma at the moment. :D
Good to hear 'you're towing the line', suppose that makes us 'square'..:D

[garth]

The best thing you could get at McDonald's is probably the fruit cup if you ask me... :p No thanks, but hold the diseased meat mixed with soy protein on a plastic bun... thanks but no thanks... *barfs*

Ain't soy protein what all the veggies eat instead of meat?? This shite does more harm to you than meat ever could. It's great if ya want man boobs or breast cancer!!, it's not meant to be human food, it's stock food.

[montag]

Ain't soy protein what all the veggies eat instead of meat?? This shite does more harm to you than meat ever could. It's great if ya want man boobs or breast cancer!!, it's not meant to be human food, it's stock food.
I read in fast food nation that one beef pattie contains the flesh of over a thousand cows, :eek:

Which is why it is so easy to get poisoned by a burger..

Give me a good fillet steak any day..:cool:

[danster82]

Lots of salt in the food would make you thirsty thats most probably the reason. In fact you should become thirsty after eating a mcdonalds or any food with high salt content. Theres no consipiracy behind that its just common knowledge.

Its not just salt on the chips its in the buns the meat and just about everything.

you get the salt content right and you can make garbage taste nice.

[montag]

Lots of salt in the food would make you thirsty thats most probably the reason. In fact you should become thirsty after eating a mcdonalds or any food with high salt content. Theres no consipiracy behind that its just common knowledge.

Its not just salt on the chips its in the buns the meat and just about everything.

you get the salt content right and you can make garbage taste nice.
All the flavours from Macca's and the like are created in laboratories, the actual 'food' itself is like cardboard and has no flavour..

[garth]

I read in fast food nation that one beef pattie contains the flesh of over a thousand cows, :eek:

Which is why it is so easy to get poisoned by a burger..

Give me a good fillet steak any day..:cool:

I'm with ya on the fillet steak, with mushrooms and onions..YUM

Thousand cows might be a bit ambitious, I reckon about 200 would be max. I worked at a large freezing works that supplied maccas in the USA, all the 80% CL (lean) beef went there. It's packing in 60lb boxes and the maximum amount of different cuts that fit in a box is 5. From the works if goes to a commercial mincer with a capacity of about 40 boxes at a time, hence the 200.

Although in defense of the freezing works where I worked, they had very strict quality control, anything that feel on the floor went straight to the blood and bone plant. I also saw whole carcasses dumped because of suspected TB spots on the liver etc.

According to maccas 70% of there beef worldwide is supplied from OZ!!

[montag]

I'm with ya on the fillet steak, with mushrooms and onions..YUM

Thousand cows might be a bit ambitious, I reckon about 200 would be max. I worked at a large freezing works that supplied maccas in the USA, all the 80% CL (lean) beef went there. It's packing in 60lb boxes and the maximum amount of different cuts that fit in a box is 5. From the works if goes to a commercial mincer with a capacity of about 40 boxes at a time, hence the 200.

Although in defense of the freezing works where I worked, they had very strict quality control, anything that feel on the floor went straight to the blood and bone plant. I also saw whole carcasses dumped because of suspected TB spots on the liver etc.

According to maccas 70% of there beef worldwide is supplied from OZ!!
From what I read the US abattoirs don't follow the same standards, using mostly illegal aliens on an absolute minimum(slave) wage, care factor zero..

[garth]

From what I read the US abattoirs don't follow the same standards, using mostly illegal aliens on an absolute minimum(slave) wage, care factor zero..

No maccas when visiting the USA then ;)

[montag]

No maccas when visiting the USA then ;)
No, but they do make good smokes and good guitars..:cool:

[dondaz]

Eating MacDonalds also keeps people in low income wages and makes a few people very very rich.

Making documentaries makes people fat and unhealthy. Just look at Michael Moore.

This guy don't look fat to me:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/Darren-cam2-1.jpg

[antiem]

I have experienced that the unhealthier the food I ate was, the sooner I got hungry again. So a carrot lasts longer for me than a whole Mac-Menu...!
Well, I guess, there's a bit of its not going to do you any lasting harm unless you BELIVE it woll. Everything is an illusion....even food, so if you believe Mackers will harm you, then of course it will. Simple!

These days I believe EVERYTHING I eat is good for me.....and it is. :)

Its all about your present beliefs about your state of reality. ;) in it but for me as well, it works... :D

[blane777]

Broccolli,carrots and potatoes for lunch today :) Meat is bad for you Mmmmmmkay?

[Mo0n5tar]

If you only ate Mackers once a month and enjoyed it, its not going to do you any lasting harm unless you BELIVE it woll. Everything is an illusion....even food, so if you believe Mackers will harm you, then of course it will. Simple!

These days I believe EVERYTHING I eat is good for me.....and it is. :)

Its all about your present beliefs about your state of reality. ;)

For the forum manager to be spouting such rubbish is IMO not a great advert for the site.

[madthumbs]

Broccolli,carrots and potatoes for lunch today :) Meat is bad for you Mmmmmmkay?

Yes, it's loaded with b-vitamins that keep our minds fit and resistant to religious indoctrination.

[amethyst]

McDonald's food gives me a headache, so I don't eat it anymore.

When I did, I found that I would crave more within a short space of time after eating it.

Same here. Those fries can be addicting.......but if ya knew what they did with those good tasting fries :eek:

[deliciously_fresh]

Same here. Those fries can be addicting.......but if ya knew what they did with those good tasting fries :eek:

I shudder at the thought :eek:

[thorleyart]

http://www.hng.webpark.pl/mcshit.jpg

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

i woke up feeling like pizza, but everything is closed....might head down to my local 24h maccas :-)

[astral_girl]

http://www.mcspotlight.org/;)

[astral_girl]

the McLibel Trial is the infamous British court case between McDonald's and a former postman & a gardener from London (Helen Steel and Dave Morris). It ran for two and a half years and became the longest ever English trial. The defendants were denied legal aid and their right to a jury, so the whole trial was heard by a single Judge, Mr Justice Bell. He delivered his verdict in June 1997.

The verdict was devastating for McDonald's. The judge ruled that they 'exploit children' with their advertising, produce 'misleading' advertising, are 'culpably responsible' for cruelty to animals, are 'antipathetic' to unionisation and pay their workers low wages. But Helen and Dave failed to prove all the points and so the Judge ruled that they HAD libelled McDonald's and should pay 60,000 pounds damages. They refused and McDonald's knew better than to pursue it. In March 1999 the Court of Appeal made further rulings that it was fair comment to say that McDonald's employees worldwide "do badly in terms of pay and conditions", and true that "if one eats enough McDonald's food, one's diet may well become high in fat etc., with the very real risk of heart disease."

As a result of the court case, the Anti-McDonald's campaign mushroomed, the press coverage increased exponentially, this website was born and a feature length documentary was broadcast round the world.

The legal controversy continued. The McLibel 2 took the British Government to the European Court of Human Rights to defend the public's right to criticise multinationals, claiming UK libel laws are oppressive and unfair that they were denied a fair trial. The court ruled in favour of Helen and Dave: the case had breached their their rights to freedom of expression and a fair trial.

Who said ordinary people can't change the world?

Read the whole story here.

[amethyst]

http://www.mcspotlight.org/;)

Hey astral girl, unfortunately that link didn't work.

[astral_girl]

whoops


http://www.mcspotlight.org/

[deliciously_fresh]

whoops


http://www.mcspotlight.org/

Thanks for posting.

[amethyst]

whoops


http://www.mcspotlight.org/

Yes, thanks! :)

[thorleyart]

the McLibel Trial is the infamous British court case between McDonald's and a former postman & a gardener from London (Helen Steel and Dave Morris). It ran for two and a half years and became the longest ever English trial. The defendants were denied legal aid and their right to a jury, so the whole trial was heard by a single Judge, Mr Justice Bell. He delivered his verdict in June 1997.

The verdict was devastating for McDonald's. The judge ruled that they 'exploit children' with their advertising, produce 'misleading' advertising, are 'culpably responsible' for cruelty to animals, are 'antipathetic' to unionisation and pay their workers low wages. But Helen and Dave failed to prove all the points and so the Judge ruled that they HAD libelled McDonald's and should pay 60,000 pounds damages. They refused and McDonald's knew better than to pursue it. In March 1999 the Court of Appeal made further rulings that it was fair comment to say that McDonald's employees worldwide "do badly in terms of pay and conditions", and true that "if one eats enough McDonald's food, one's diet may well become high in fat etc., with the very real risk of heart disease."

As a result of the court case, the Anti-McDonald's campaign mushroomed, the press coverage increased exponentially, this website was born and a feature length documentary was broadcast round the world.

The legal controversy continued. The McLibel 2 took the British Government to the European Court of Human Rights to defend the public's right to criticise multinationals, claiming UK libel laws are oppressive and unfair that they were denied a fair trial. The court ruled in favour of Helen and Dave: the case had breached their their rights to freedom of expression and a fair trial.

Who said ordinary people can't change the world?

Read the whole story here.

heres a documentary about it, its very good

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=547901963081075342&q=McLibel&total=37&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[megafish33]

Ain't soy protein what all the veggies eat instead of meat?? This shite does more harm to you than meat ever could. It's great if ya want man boobs or breast cancer!!, it's not meant to be human food, it's stock food.

Most fast-food "meat" is full of soy... and any "meat" that is in there is usually not very clean-most of it is said to be diseased.

Soy is a healthful food if made in a traditional fashion and fermented. You can certainly be very fit and very healthy without ever having a soy product in your life-although that's impossible now as they stuff soy in everything! Ironically, T-levels in men have sharply dropped decade after decade.... hmmmmm lol

[shenoma]

Eat what you want because the air poisons and the land poison is going to get everyone.:eek:

[pilgrim]

Ain't soy protein what all the veggies eat instead of meat?? This shite does more harm to you than meat ever could.

I gave up meat over 20 years ago, i never eat that soy protein garbage.
Have you never heard of Vegetables, Fruits, Grains, Milk, Etc?
They can be combined in different ways to make food fit for human beings.

http://www.harekrsna.com/practice/prasadam/recipes/images/wsabji.jpg

Here's 2000 Vegetarian recipes to get you started:
http://www.harekrsna.com/practice/prasadam/recipes/recipes.htm

[megafish33]

That looks grubbin'! Thanks for the vegetarian link... I eat meat myself but try and make vegetarian and vegan stuff often.

[eyedontbelieveu]

From what I read the US abattoirs don't follow the same standards, using mostly illegal aliens on an absolute minimum(slave) wage, care factor zero..

Let us know when you spot one of these so-called aliens... If you meant people indigenous to the land the white man stole under the plan of ALTERingNATIVEs, well just say so :rolleyes:

as always PEACE

[garth]

I gave up meat over 20 years ago, i never eat that soy protein garbage.
Have you never heard of Vegetables, Fruits, Grains, Milk, Etc?
They can be combined in different ways to make food fit for human beings.

Here's 2000 Vegetarian recipes to get you started:
http://www.harekrsna.com/practice/prasadam/recipes/recipes.htm

Dude, I eat plenty of organic veggies, milk and eggs along with a big chunk of steak :) but you can keep your grains. Grains are stock food and not fit for human consumption.

Meat is the only way to get B12 and tryptophan in any decent amount, so unless you take daily supplements a vegetarian diet will leave you deficient in these essential nutrients.

B12 keeps your brain working, a lack of it over a period of time ensures the onset of Alzheimer's and other brain disorders, hows your memory after 20 years of a vegetarian diet?

Trytophan is a precursor to serotonin which makes you feel good. An interesting observation is how many vegetarians i have meet that also smoke a heap of dope to make them feel good, something lacking in there diet me thinks?

Wheat and corn showed up at about the same time that modern cows did. They were genetically created along with modern cows for us humans, somewhere along the way (enter your religion here) things became stuffed up as the wheat/corn is food for the cow and the cow is food for us (meat & milk etc).

Each to there own I suppose, just take your supplements mate or you'll end up brain dead :(

[montag]

Let us know when you spot one of these so-called aliens... If you meant people indigenous to the land the white man stole under the plan of ALTERingNATIVEs, well just say so :rolleyes:

as always PEACE
Sorry mate, didn't mean to cause offense. I was paraphrasing from the book Fast food nation which they referred to them as 'illegal aliens', it wasn't my intention to devalue the native peoples..

Peace to you too..

[pilgrim]

Meat is the only way to get B12 and tryptophan in any decent amount, so unless you take daily supplements a vegetarian diet will leave you deficient in these essential nutrients.


Milk & milk-products contain sufficient levels of B12 & as you say; supplements are also available, so meat is not necessary.

[madthumbs]

Supplements and milk are bad for you.

[pilgrim]

Supplements and milk are bad for you.

If you do a bit of research you will find that it is meat that is the cause of most health problems & disease, not vegetables, fruits, nuts, grains, milk products, etc...
Anyway, there are already many threads on this forum debating vegetarianism & tons of info online, i can't be bothered getting into it here.
If you think that it's ok to kill innocent animals for the satisfaction of your tounge, that's your problem.

Opposition to being vegetarian:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22218

[madthumbs]

Vegans and vegetarians don't live longer. What disease is caused by ingesting meat? Why am I not diseased?

If you think that it's ok to kill innocent animals for the satisfaction of your tounge, that's your problem.

How about for my mental well being, and humanity? Take a look at India if you want to see what the world would be like if we all turned vegan.

Why is it every Vegan I know has a cat which not only eats almost entirely meat, but tortures and plays with it while killing it? Why do they give humans a guilt trip and let cats live?

[pilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2e-z8C6pZk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIjanhKqVC4

[21_12_2012]

Supplements and milk are bad for you.

What kind of supplements are you saying are bad for people ?

I take a daily dose (amongst other things) of organic:-

Spirulina:-

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60% easy-to-digest vegetable protein without the fat and cholesterol of meat.
People are eating less meat and dairy protein because they want to lower fat, cholesterol, and chemicals in their diet. Spirulina is the highest protein food with all the essential amino acids and has only a few calories to keep your waistline where you want it.
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Scientists are discovering the benefits of polysaccharides, sulfolipids & glycolipids, and the rainbow of natural pigments that give spirulina a deep green color. Green (chlorophyll), blue (phycocyanin) and orange (carotenoids) colors collect the sun's energy and power growth. Chlorophyll is a natural cleanser and is often referred to as nature's green magic.

[eyedontbelieveu]

Sorry mate, didn't mean to cause offense. I was paraphrasing from the book Fast food nation which they referred to them as 'illegal aliens', it wasn't my intention to devalue the native peoples..

Peace to you too..

No problem... all of us here who live in/for truth and love are more than likely on the same side...

Eye have not seen the film or read the book, someone should tell the writers two wrongs don't make a right (easier said than done lol)...

On this portion of the 33rd Parallel the term is like nails to the chalkboard, especially when their/our ancestors lived here for millennia before columbus or his gang of tyrants showed up to carve the land as they $aw proFIT... every day is still a battle...

anyway didn't mean to purposefully detract from the topic...

PEACE

[xxxx]

oh yeah 99p bacon cheeseburgers... oh i fucken love 'em.
ronald mcdonald? corporate deathburger!

[madthumbs]

What kind of supplements are you saying are bad for people ?

All are potentially hazardous to your health.

I take a daily dose (amongst other things) of organic:-

Spirulina:-

How is it processed, what is added to it? Why don't you eat it as food?


Spirulina beta carotene is ten times more concentrated than carrots.

Too much of anything can be bad.

So even if you don't eat the recommended 4 to 9 servings of fruits and vegetables every day (most people eat only 1-2, including french fries), get your natural beta carotene insurance from spirulina to help support your body's defenses.

Sounds like a commercial. Eskimos do fine almost without fruit and veggies.

People are eating less meat and dairy protein because they want to lower fat, cholesterol, and chemicals in their diet.

Like fluoride based pesticides and herbicides they spray on plants? Why do they want to lower fat, and cholesterol? -Because of myths and lies about them? The produce section is the first thing you see in grocery stores because it's the most profitable. Propaganda against meat comes from religious vegans with their agenda, and profiteers.

Spirulina is the highest protein food with all the essential amino acids and has only a few calories to keep your waistline where you want it.

Calories are GOOD for you! You're brain runs basically on sugar and oxygen. Muscle Glycogen is replenished by sugar giving people more energy and ambition (depleted muscle glycogen is the primary cause of feeling burned out). Carb / Sugar calories are a catalyst for burning fat like a wick in a candle. *Why You're Really Fat (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=95)

A rare essential fatty acid is a key to health.
Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) in mother's milk helps develop healthy babies. Studies show nutritional deficiencies can block GLA production in your body, so a good dietary source of GLA can be important. Spirulina is the only other whole food with GLA.

Sounds like another over-hyped nutrient to sell a product, and it sounds like they want people getting very un-natural amounts of it.

Iron for women and children's health.

Too much Iron is bad especially for men who don't bleed every month.

High in Vitamin B-12 and B Complex.
Spirulina is the highest source of B-12, essential for healthy nerves and tissue, especially for vegetarians.

B-vitamins compete for absorption. Too much of one can lead to deficiency in another. B-vitamins taken from a single source continually is likely to offset a natural balance. Also, our bodies can become dependent on high amounts causing depression and anxiety when we don't get as much of them.

Unusual phytonutrients for health and cleansing.
Scientists are discovering the benefits of polysaccharides, sulfolipids & glycolipids, and the rainbow of natural pigments that give spirulina a deep green color. Green (chlorophyll), blue (phycocyanin) and orange (carotenoids) colors collect the sun's energy and power growth. Chlorophyll is a natural cleanser and is often referred to as nature's green magic.

These nutrients / chlorophyl are in other foods (that aren't products).

Back to McD's:

People complain about salt - Order with no added salt (they will gladly do that)
People complain about MSG - Find out which foods have it and abstain (usually sauces you can leave off an order)
People think eating McDonalds food magically makes them fat. - Avoid soft drinks, and msg: problem solved.

[daveybpl]

If you only ate Mackers once a month and enjoyed it, its not going to do you any lasting harm unless you BELIVE it woll. Everything is an illusion....even food, so if you believe Mackers will harm you, then of course it will. Simple!

These days I believe EVERYTHING I eat is good for me.....and it is. :)

Its all about your present beliefs about your state of reality. ;)

Sorry but I ain't buying your answer Limelady:)

I know everything is an illusion too but your comment sounds like a excuse for you eating and enjoying McD's.

If food were such any illusion to bypass then surely David wouldn't of gained weight recently.

[limelady]

Sorry but I ain't buying your answer Limelady:)

I know everything is an illusion too but your comment sounds like a excuse for you eating and enjoying McD's.

If food were such any illusion to bypass then surely David wouldn't of gained weight recently.

Well then simple, don't "buy" it then davey :p

No excuses here, and why David may have put on weight is quite simply none of my business.

Eat, drink and be merry :)

[21_12_2012]

All are potentially hazardous to your health.

Before this statement, you said milk and supplements are bad for you.
Now you're saying all supplements are potentially hazardous.:confused:

How is it processed, what is added to it? Why don't you eat it as food?

Have you ever heard of spirulina ?
Google it.
It's known as the 'food for the future'

Maybe it could be eaten just as food...I haven't tried to live on it.
It's a natural supplement for me.

Spirulina:- single-celled algae that grows in warm alkaline-fresh water.
This ability of Spirulina to grow in hot and alkaline environments ensures its
hygienic status, as no other organisms can survive to pollute the waters in
which this algae thrives.

Spirulina is in fact one of the cleanest, most naturally sterile foods found in
nature.

It is around 70% complete protein with all essential amino acids in perfect
balance (beef is around 22% protein)

Spirulina also provides high concentrations of many other nutrients - amino
acids, chelated minerals, pigmentations, rhamnose sugars (complex natural
plant sugars), trace elements, enzymes - that are in an easily assimilable
form.

Too much of anything can be bad.

So can too little.

Sounds like a commercial. Eskimos do fine almost without fruit and
veggies.

How do you know what they eat ?

Like fluoride based pesticides and herbicides they spray on plants?


Spirulina is an algae.

Why do they want to lower fat, and cholesterol? -Because of myths and lies about them? The produce section is the first thing you see in grocery
stores because it's the most profitable. Propaganda against meat comes
from religious vegans with their agenda, and profiteers.

I didn't imply meat was bad. I posted about spirulina, and it's benefits.

Calories are GOOD for you! You're brain runs basically on sugar and
oxygen. Muscle Glycogen is replenished by sugar giving people more energy
and ambition (depleted muscle glycogen is the primary cause of feeling
burned out). Carb / Sugar calories are a catalyst for burning fat like a wick in a candle.

Spirulina contains complex plant sugars...see above.

Sounds like another over-hyped nutrient to sell a product, and it
sounds like they want people getting very un-natural amounts of it.

Sounds like a naturally-occuring single-celled algae to me. :confused:

Too much Iron is bad especially for men who don't bleed every month.

Don't take too much iron then.

B-vitamins compete for absorption. Too much of one can lead to deficiency in another. B-vitamins taken from a single source continually is likely to offset a natural balance. Also, our bodies can become dependent on high amounts causing depression and anxiety when we don't get as much of them.

I'm hazarding a guess that you've never taken spirulina, so you won't know
it's effects.
I have...for over a year...and I've found it excellent.
As has everybody else I know who have taken it.

I've also stopped taking it too...for weeks at a time.
No depression...no anxiety...no problems.

These nutrients / chlorophyl are in other foods (that aren't products).

It's a naturally occuring algae.
Do you class that as a product ?

[2013]

Mc donalds founded by Ray Kroc :eek: Whats in a name pass me a burger and make it snappy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kroc
supersize me is available on google video for anyone who doesnt have tv .
:D

[lilly555]

Why is it that when I eat one of their "meals" (sandwich+drink+fries) I feel thirsty like I wanna chug down all the water I can. If its "supersized" I start feeling dizzy and uneasy and irritable.

Why is that?

But when I eat only 1 sandwich or just the fries, its ok. I dont feel any side effects.

Any explanation to this?


If you want to chug down water..I'd bet that it is due to at least a few reasons. First off, the "goodies" in there make your body want to cleanse itself (unless you have become addicted to them), second the amount of salt/sodium cloride in one meal is most likely more salt than you need in one day (salt makes the body retain water). The other reason that I can think of is that sugared drinks such as soda pop act as a diaretic. Meaning that it actually causes the body to become dehydrated as the end result of digesting it. My non expertise 2 cents :p

[exmicrochipmafia]

I'd just like to add my 2 cents worth to this discussion about McD's and meat.
On occassion I get the odd craving for the stuff- oh about once a month or so; normally I eat quite healthfully and was told by a trusted family physician that it's just your body telling you that it needs something in the fats, etc.
Everything in moderation.
I eat meat, yet I also load up on veg. I'm not a fan of carbs like pastas, potatoes, breads, etc. Meat, and LOTS of veg. When I adopted that diet I lost over 30 lbs (a divorce and subsequent stress load probably helped a bit too:cool:).
Next: I'm also a hunter. I'd rather go out and fill my freezer with wild foods, meat, fish, poultry. I used to live off of the stuff for years and my health was amazing. Circumstances changed and I'm now back to the grocery store variety of crud and let me tell you, when you switch from wild meats to grocery store brands, it literally feels 'SLIMY' going down.
Beef is hung and 'aged' in coolers for 28 days.. that 'aging' is rot people. My wild stuff hung for a maximum of 2 days before I cut and processed it myself.
Every wonder why they're trying to make it impossible for people to get firearms and head into the woods? They KNOW the health benefits of eating the wild meat. Weight watchers actually quotes wild game as ZERO calories. It's PURE PROTEIN. There's absolutely no fat to it and your body readily processes it.
Give me venison. Give me antelope. Give me moose and elk. Keep your beef.
Guess I'm a bit more old school, but I'm sure other hunters would absolutely attest to my own experiences.

[beldazar]

I limelady! I LOVED your post saying it cant harm much if eaten once a month. I happen to agree with you there, if you are constantly worried that something is going to harm you, it inevitably will, it causes stress which in turn affects the body.
Besides, I know about mcdonalds not being particularly healthy but I am guilty of feeding it to myself and my two boys if I have had a busy day, the store is only up the road, far too convenient! (that only happens about once every two months) Just to add....if anyone is going to have a go about me feeding it to my two kids........YOU BLOODY COOK FOR ME THEN! :D

[niftygifter]

SAlt, now theres a subject.
In its SEA salt form it is necessary and good for you, however in it's fine SAXA form its a pile of blended poison:mad:

Nifty:cool:

[amethyst]

SAlt, now theres a subject.
In its SEA salt form it is necessary and good for you, however in it's fine SAXA form its a pile of blended poison:mad:

Nifty:cool:

Yeah, that's what i buy...it's great...the brand I have, Redmond Real Salt, says it has calcium ,potassium, magnesium etc. All good stuff that comes naturally from the sea.

I'm SURE MikeyDee's does not use real sea salt.

And P.S. they add sugar to their fries to make them taste better.

[i_am]

I don't remember the last time I ate maccas. I don't like the plastic taste and I am well aware that it is not good for you....on a regular basis.

It is probably not going to hurt you on the odd occasion but if it makes you physically ill even then...don't do it again.

Neither do I drink coke or such but on the odd occasion my body says it wants coke and I thoroughly enjoy it.

[amethyst]

I don't remember the last time I ate maccas. I don't like the plastic taste and I am well aware that it is not good for you....on a regular basis.

It is probably not going to hurt you on the odd occasion but if it makes you physically ill even then...don't do it again.

Neither do I drink coke or such but on the odd occasion my body says it wants coke and I thoroughly enjoy it.

No, it's not going to hurt you once in a while....I think our bodies can filter out the bad stuff....it's just when it gets to be a regular habit, that it get's bad. The guy in "Supersize Me" gained a ton of weight by eating at McDonald's for like a month straight.

There's definitely an agenda behind the fast food industry.

[montag]

No, it's not going to hurt you once in a while....
I disagree, I challenge you to go to maccas now, eat a big mac, fries and cola.
Then when you've finished ask yourself if you feel better for eating it.

Same goes for any Junk food, they're like drugs, it always seems like a good idea at the time but you know you'll regret it later.

[amethyst]

I disagree, I challenge you to go to maccas now, eat a big mac, fries and cola.
Then when you've finished ask yourself if you feel better for eating it.

Same goes for any Junk food, they're like drugs, it always seems like a good idea at the time but you know you'll regret it later.

Oh no, I think I'll pass on that challenge! My stomach can't handle it. I have a sensitive tummy. :D

[madthumbs]

No, it's not going to hurt you once in a while....I think our bodies can filter out the bad stuff....it's just when it gets to be a regular habit, that it get's bad. The guy in "Supersize Me" gained a ton of weight by eating at McDonald's for like a month straight.

There's definitely an agenda behind the fast food industry.

WTF? Why do people think that eating at McDonald's makes people magically fat? :confused:

Does the water they serve do it too? :rolleyes:

[madthumbs]

I disagree, I challenge you to go to maccas now, eat a big mac, fries and cola.
Then when you've finished ask yourself if you feel better for eating it.

Same goes for any Junk food, they're like drugs, it always seems like a good idea at the time but you know you'll regret it later.

I go and get 2 double cheeseburgers without onion, and tomato instead of ketchup for a buck each. I don't drink the soda. I feel fine and filled afterwards, not even thirsty. Since doing this semi regularly, I haven't gained any girth (noticeable fat) or disease.

People are going wrong when they consume the products with MSG in them, or drink the soft drinks. This is NOT a McDonald's or "fast food" specific thing. The local McDonald's here pays way better than the other fast food restaurants. I remember when they attempted to do recycling but the idiot customers wouldn't comply. McDonald's doesn't come across nearly as bad as KFC / Taco Bell when it comes to animal cruelty.

I wouldn't call it health food, but it sure isn't deserving of all this blanket smearing.

[montag]

I go and get 2 double cheeseburgers without onion, and tomato instead of ketchup for a buck each.
Whatever floats your boat I guess, but after my last experience with maccas it left me feeling so shithouse that I promised myself that I'd never go there again.

[dangermouse]

I havent had a micky D's in years.
The stuff doesnt fill me ....
Im usually hungry again in a few hrs

Its like your body is saying "Hey some real food now please!!!, and by the way if your going to insist on putting that stuff in your body stick it up your ass, its all going to end up there anyway"

[cheeney1]

A Question about Mcdonalds .......Thats Not The Question The Question is What is Mcdonalds...a huge brain washing scheme aimed at Children, Poison the Masses Slowly they say they are a Family Resturant (if Thats what people will call it)

I Wouldn't Eat There If Its The Last Place On Earth...............Food is Crap..Just Like Burger King, Pizza Hutt, Subway WHOOOOOOOOOOO YUKKKY.................American SHITE...:mad:

[pilgrim]

A Question about Mcdonalds .......Thats Not The Question The Question is What is Mcdonalds...a huge brain washing scheme aimed at Children, Poison the Masses Slowly they say they are a Family Resturant (if Thats what people will call it)

I Wouldn't Eat There If Its The Last Place On Earth...............Food is Crap..Just Like Burger King, Pizza Hutt, Subway WHOOOOOOOOOOO YUKKKY.................American SHITE...:mad:

:)
McDonalds is evil!

[cheeney1]

:)
McDonalds is evil!

But How Evil Is Evil..........???????

[megafish33]

I Wouldn't Eat There If Its The Last Place On Earth...............Food is Crap..Just Like Burger King, Pizza Hutt, Subway WHOOOOOOOOOOO YUKKKY.................American SHITE...

I'd rather eat at Subway than most fast food burger joints. Although, I will admit, an In n' Out burger sure TASTES good...

[cheeney1]

I'd rather eat at Subway than most fast food burger joints. Although, I will admit, an In n' Out burger sure TASTES good...

Homemade Burgers Way Better, Taste Better and Easier On Pocket Too,,:)

[thetonic]

I go and get 2 double cheeseburgers without onion, and tomato instead of ketchup for a buck each. I don't drink the soda. I feel fine and filled afterwards, not even thirsty. Since doing this semi regularly, I haven't gained any girth (noticeable fat) or disease.

People are going wrong when they consume the products with MSG in them, or drink the soft drinks. This is NOT a McDonald's or "fast food" specific thing. The local McDonald's here pays way better than the other fast food restaurants. I remember when they attempted to do recycling but the idiot customers wouldn't comply. McDonald's doesn't come across nearly as bad as KFC / Taco Bell when it comes to animal cruelty.

I wouldn't call it health food, but it sure isn't deserving of all this blanket smearing.

Could you list all the ingredients that go into the patty of a MCd's burger?.. Or even the the bun for that matter? Id like to know how it is you dont think your eating MSG , or what the main distinction between MCd's , KFC, Pizza Slut , Taco Hell etc. is in your opinion..

Eagerly awaiting your reply...

[astralburger]

They use TONS of sodium in their...er.....um....food.

Ever see the Movie "Supersize Me"?

You''ll never want to eat at Mickeydees again.
You know I hadn't eaten fast food in over 3 years when I saw that film but it inspired me to investigate. I went out and immediately got some of that poop...put me to bed instantly felt groggy and so on, but I was hooked, took me a couple of months to shake that hog.

[madthumbs]

Whatever floats your boat I guess, but after my last experience with maccas it left me feeling so shithouse that I promised myself that I'd never go there again.

Sounds like a local management issue rather than a world wide corporate scandal to get you on the shitter.

[madthumbs]

I havent had a micky D's in years.
The stuff doesnt fill me ....
Im usually hungry again in a few hrs

Its like your body is saying "Hey some real food now please!!!, and by the way if your going to insist on putting that stuff in your body stick it up your ass, its all going to end up there anyway"

That's how I feel after eating fruits and veggies.

[madthumbs]

Could you list all the ingredients that go into the patty of a MCd's burger?.. Or even the the bun for that matter? Id like to know how it is you dont think your eating MSG , or what the main distinction between MCd's , KFC, Pizza Slut , Taco Hell etc. is in your opinion..

Eagerly awaiting your reply...

Bun:
Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), water, high fructose corn syrup, yeast, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, soybean oil, canola oil, contains 2% or less of each of the following: salt, wheat gluten, calcium sulfate, soy flour, ammonium sulfate, calcium carbonate, calcium phosphate, monocalcium phosphate, ammonium chloride, baking soda, sorbic acid, deactivated dry yeast, dough conditioners (may contain one or more the following: distilled monoglycerides, DATEM, sodium stearoyl lactylate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, mono- and diglycerides, enzymes, guar gum), calcium propionate & sodium propionate (preservatives), soy lecithin.

Beef Patty:
100% pure USDA inspected beef; no additives, no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper).

Pasteurized Process American Cheese:
American cheese (pasteurized milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes), water, milkfat, sodium citrate, sodium phosphate, salt, sorbic acid (preservative), acetic acid, artificial color, soy lecithin and/or corn starch (added for slice separation).

Pickle Slices:
Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, alum, potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavors (plant source), polysorbate 80, extractives of turmeric (color).

Some of the ingredients in the bun are on the Top Food Additives to Avoid List (http://opposingdigits.com/additives/)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DATEM is an emulsifier primarily used in baking. It is an acronym for Di-Acetyl Tartrate Ester of Monoglyceride. It is used to strengthen the dough by building a strong gluten network. It is used in crusty breads, such as Rye bread with a springy, chewy texture, as well as biscuits, coffee whiteners and dressings.

The exact mechanism is not well understood, but DATEM appears to interact with the hydrophobic parts of the gluten, helping the proteins unfold and form cross-linked structures. DATEM is composed of mixed esters of glycerin in which one or more of the hydroxyl groups of glycerin has been esterified by diacetyl tartaric acid and by fatty acids. The ingredient is prepared by the reaction of diacetyl tartaric anhydride with mono- and diglycerides that are derived from edible sources. The major components are a glycerol molecule with a stearic acid residue, a diacetyltartaric acid residue and a free secondary hydroxyl group.

Unlike other commercially used dough emulsifiers, DATEM does not form starch complexes. Its main function is as a softener. Typically DATEM is 0.375 to 0.5% of the total flour weight in most commercial baking.

In the USA, DATEM is generally recognized as safe by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as specified in the Code of Federal Regulations, (21CFR184.1101).

[madthumbs]

Avoiding a restaurant because of MSG in some of their foods is like avoiding a supermarket for the same reason. Many of these places have lists of contents (like gluten, soy, MSG) people are avoiding that they hand out if asked. Friendly's Restaurant (which isn't fast food) doesn't and most management there doesn't have a clue what their grill seasoning has in it as it doesn't come with a list of ingredients. It sure is poured on the food though. Try finding ingredients for their food on the web. Most of Friendly's food also has silicon dioxide in it which both Ivan Fraser and myself appear to have personally suffered debilitation from (http://opposingdigits.com/sics/).

http://www.msgtruth.org/avoid.htm

The following Fast Food menu items contain MSG:

McDonald's® Items:

Grilled Chicken Filet
Hot and Spicy Chicken Patty
Grilled Chicken Ceasar Salad
Grilled Chicken California Cobb Salad
Seasoned Beef
Sausage Scrambled Egg Mix, Sausage, and Sausage Patty
French Fries
- a "seasoning" made from beef, wheat and milk, processed to break down the proteins into free amino acids like glutamate) is added to the oil the fries are precooked in. US laws allow "natural flavoring" to consist of "protein hydrolysates" containing free glutamic acid. (That's why they do it - to free glutamate to act like MSG so they can declare a "clean label" while misleading the consumer.)

Burger King® Items:

Breaded Chicken Patty
Spicy Chicken Patty
Breaded Tendercrisp Chicken
Chicken Tenders
BK Chicken Fries
Garden Veggie Patty - contains hydrolyzed corn, soy and wheat - which contains free glutamate
Sausage Patty
Ranch dipping sauce
Ken's Fat Free Ranch Dressing

KFC® products:

Roasted Ceasar Salad (WITHOUT dressing and croutons)
Crispy Ceasar Salad (WITHOUT dressing)
Roasted BLT Salad (WITHOUT dressing)
Crispy BLT Salad (WITHOUT dressing
Hidden Valley - The Original Fat Free Ranch Dressing
KFC Creamy Parmesan Ceasar Dressing - contains parmesan cheese - very high in MSG naturally
KFC Garlic Parmesan Croutons Pouch - contains parmesan cheese - very high in MSG naturally
KFC Famous Bowls - Mashed Potatoes with Gravy
Gravy
KFC Famous Bowls - Rice with Gravy
Rice
Seasoned Rice
KFC Snacker - Chicken
KFC Snacker - Honey BBQ
Honey BBQ Sandwich
Double Crunch Sandwich
Crispy Twister
Oven Roasted Twister
Oven Roasted Twister (WITHOUT sauce)
Tender Roast Sandwich
Tender Roast Sandwich(WITHOUT sauce)
Original Recipe Chicken (its in the marinade - it's literally soaked in MSG and salt)
Extra Crispy - MSG is in both the marinade AND the breading
Colonel's Crispy Strips
Popcorn Chicken
Chicken Pot Pie
Boneless HBBQ Wings
Boneless Fiery Buffalo Wings
Sweet and Spicy Boneless Wings
Hot Wings
Green Beans (yeah, this shocked us too)
Mashed Potatoes with Gravy
Potato Wedges


Chick - fil - A® we'll examine this menu next, but we're not optimistic, the Chicken Sandwich has MSG in it.

The best advice to anyone visiting a Fast Food establishment if you have to:


AVOID all CHICKEN items
AVOID all SAUSAGE items
AVOID all PARMESAN products
AVOID all Ranch dressings - stick to oil and vinegar Italian
AVOID Croutons
AVOID KFC altogether - we're not kidding
AVOID Dipping Sauces
AVOID Gravy
AVOID TOMATO AND MUSHROOM soups

[beldazar]

thanks for the info madthumbs :)

[pilgrim]

But How Evil Is Evil..........???????

Way Too Evil!!!:eek:

[2013]

Homemade Burgers Way Better, Taste Better and Easier On Pocket Too,,:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIYUMxiraE

:D

[pilgrim]

Homemade Burgers Way Better, Taste Better and Easier On Pocket Too,,:)

IMO:
A Burger is a burger*.
Meat is meat.
Murder is murder.

*unless its a Vegeburger

[pilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krXP_TUZqsk

[astral_girl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIYUMxiraE

:D

HAHA .....:D:D

[pilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-uFnl5MOw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTpZJSDRf6s&feature=related

[astralburger]

They got slaughterhouses for veggies too

http://www.agriculture.purdue.edu/connections/fall2004/galleries/Millennium/images/TrioP8190013_jpg.jpg

[pilgrim]

Can't you even see the difference between cows and wheat?!
God help us!:eek:

COWS
http://photo.net/photo/pcd0512/gotland-cow-church-15.4.jpg

WHEAT
http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/fieldday/kids/pictures/kidsfield600/cg_wheat_closeup.jpg

SHEEP
http://ocw.usu.edu/University_Extension/sheep-and-lambing-management/sheep.jpg

APPLES
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/e/ee/Apples.jpg

[astralburger]

They are both sentient life forms..so no.

[barbitone]

Why not try their vegetarian burger!?
http://zigdzag.tripod.com/bilder_burger.gif

What's wrong?

Why are you looking at me like that?

Oh...come on now, it doesn't look like a "33" while referencing a secret society, coincidences happen. :rolleyes:



:D

[pilgrim]

They are both sentient life forms..so no.

Yes, they are both sentient life forms, and the human race has to eat.

Do you really not see the difference between the slaughter of a cow & harvesting wheat at the end of it's life cycle?

Or the difference between slaughtering a sheep & picking an apple off a tree?

[kanz]

[B]IMO:
A Burger is a burger*.
Meat is meat.


That would be wrong.

[pilgrim]

KILL THE PIG...
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/animals/pigs/pig_1.jpg

...OR...

...PICK THE PEANUT
http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave2/images/peanut/peanut.jpg

[i_am]

Blimey pilgrim, want to reduce that in size :D

[pilgrim]

That would be wrong.

So a burger isn't a burger and meat isn't meat?
Would you care to elaborate on that?

...Why am i even bothering to reply to this... :rolleyes:

[pilgrim]

Blimey pilgrim, want to reduce that in size :D

Are you talking about the lifesize pig?

Maybe this will make the meat-eaters feel better:
http://www.formanandfield.com/images/categories/f3310.jpg
MMMmmmm....Tasty...... (not!)
To me they look like a cross between rotting penises & turds, which funnily enough is what "sausages" contain, as well as ears, lips, tounges, anuses, vaginas, etc... (from dozens of different animals!).
Bon Appetit!

Watch this, this is want you want to believe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NWvR1Ar_a8
Keep eating your Illuminati slaughterhouse meat and don't forget to take your pill:
http://campus.northpark.edu/philosophy/blue_pill.jpg

[astralburger]

What about plants that eat animals?

A la Venus fly trap.

[pilgrim]

What about plants that eat animals?

A la Venus fly trap.

What about them?

Are you still having difficulty telling things apart?
Don't you see a difference between a human & a plant?
Or a cow & a fly?

Are you a plant?
Do you eat insects?

If you actually are an insect eating plant, i'm sorry. No offence intended. Here's a picture of a nice, juicy fly for you
http://www.seenobjects.org/images/mediumlarge/2006-05-21-the-fly.jpg
Do you want fries with that?

[exmicrochipmafia]

Just remember that when you are eating a plant, you're killing it too.
It is a living organism and you are butchering it, processing it, ingesting it, and digesting it. In effect- murdering the plant.

I remember a study years ago where they tested for reactions from plants when they were cut and torn from the ground and they found ultrasonic soundwaves emitted by the plants, in effect, their screams.

When some species of northern pine come under attack by beetles, they let off chemical type pheremones into the air that warn other trees that they're under attack so they can produce the insect-repellent type chemicals in their sap.

Just because some of us eat meat makes us no different from you genocidal plant murderers. :D

[smariot]

Considering the energy lost through each link in the food chain (around 90%), you'd still 'murder' far fewer plants by choosing to eat plants instead of animals.

[pilgrim]

Just remember that when you are eating a plant, you're killing it too.
It is a living organism and you are butchering it, processing it, ingesting it, and digesting it. In effect- murdering the plant.

I remember a study years ago where they tested for reactions from plants when they were cut and torn from the ground and they found ultrasonic soundwaves emitted by the plants, in effect, their screams.

When some species of northern pine come under attack by beetles, they let off chemical type pheremones into the air that warn other trees that they're under attack so they can produce the insect-repellent type chemicals in their sap.

Just because some of us eat meat makes us no different from you genocidal plant murderers. :D

I never said that plants were'nt living organisms. They obviously are. (Growing, turning towards the sunlight, reacting to sound, etc).

My point is that humans & animals have a much more developed level of conscious awareness than plant-based life.
Therefore the difference between killing a human or cow is vastly different than harvesting wheat or picking fruit because of the level of suffering inflicted.

If one day, a man was caught after he killed a child, a dog, & a plant, would the punishment be the same for each "murder"?
Would the suffering caused be the same?

Human beings can live healthy lives on a meat-free vegetarian diet, so why cause so much unnecessary pain, torture & premature death to innocent animals?
Why pay money to support the Illuminati's meat industry?
Do you really want to consume the left-overs from the daily mass animal-killing, blood-sacrifices they perform in slaughterhouses all over the world, every day?

[pilgrim]

Considering the energy lost through each link in the food chain (around 90%), you'd still 'murder' far fewer plants by choosing to eat plants instead of animals.

It takes a large amount of grain to produce a small amount of meat.
80% of the world’s hungry children live in countries which export food for farmed animals.

Look at this:
http://www.timetogoveggie.com/ttgv/bloodsweatandtears.html

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Z68SA7MuQ

[astralburger]

Oh okay, so some living things are more living than others.

[montag]

I thought this thread was about McDonalds not vegetarianism?

Anyway Maccas also offer vegetarian fare..

http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/McDonalds.htm

[montag]

Oh okay, so some living things are more living than others.
Correct, you should meat my mother in law..:D

[amethyst]

Why don't you all just call a truce?

Vegitarians: don't eat at McDonald's.

Meat eaters: once in a while, eat at McDonald's if you can find NOTHING else that is open to eat at and you are desperately starving. :eek:

[gordonfreeman]

Screw McDonalds!!!

I am going to be a red fox hunting down a large delicious rabbit. I am going to stalk it and stay still until the rabbit moves, then I pounce on it with claws.

[shen]

I don't eat at mcdonalds generally. The only time I ever will is when coming back from a night out, and its the only place open. I like egg McMuffins too, but Mcdonalds is poison passed off as food.

I havn't eaten there in over a year now, but I must admit that when you walk in, Mcdonalds food smells so good.

I used to love it when I was a kid though, I thought happy meals were wicked.:cool:

[pilgrim]

Screw McDonalds!!!
I am going to be a red fox hunting down a large delicious rabbit. I am going to stalk it and stay still until the rabbit moves, then I pounce on it with claws.

Be careful what you wish for. ;)

[madthumbs]

What is with the McDonald's hate?

The store made sushi at the local grocery store uses aspartame (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42) in it's pickled ginger, and aluminum (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38) in it's wasabi.

The buns they sell that resemble McDonald's buns have practically the same bad ingredients. Most of their frozen dinners are loaded with MSG and preservatives. The only chips (american) they have that don't have MSG have a Kosher Excise Tax (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9823) on them.

The answer isn't to attack McDonald's, it's to support local real organic farmers, and grow your own foods. McDonald's is no worse than most others.

The hate should be directed at ourselves for supporting the food control system.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Good point Madthumbs.
The only real solution is to grow or raise your own food, and as most of us can't do that due to centralization of population in cities, eat organic, or as close to it as you can.

I don't bash vegeterians. I'll just bring up my prior point the second I see any kind of mongering about murder. Bottom line: It's all murder, in it's purest essence, whether you eat plants or animals.

I don't hunt as much anymore due to the fact that my spouse is pretty sensitive to that type of lifestyle and I'll debate with her incessantly that it's no different than picking up a steak at the store....but it's an argument that goes around in circles.

I believe in the credo of live and let live. Whatever makes you happy. OR: Whatever blows your hair back.;)

[pilgrim]

Bottom line: It's all murder, in it's purest essence, whether you eat plants or animals.


So, if someone came to your house with a knife & killed:
Your rosebush.
Your pet rabbit.
Your daughter.
It would equally be "all murder"???
Should the punishment for the 3 "murders" be the same?
Would the suffering caused to the victims & relatives be the same?

Can you really not see a difference between:
Humans and Plants?
Pigs and Peanuts?
Cows and Wheat?
Sheep and Apples?
(please read my posts on the previous 2 pages of this thread).

There are many forms of life on this planet. There are immovable forms such as trees and plants, and a vast array of aquatic, insect, bird, beast, and mammalian forms as well. Our human form is also one among these varied forms of life, yet even a casual observer would have to agree that we human beings are endowed with unique capacities that distinguish us from all other forms of life. What exactly are those unique capacities?

We can begin answering this question with another. What is it that distinguishes a living form from a nonliving form? The answer is consciousness, or awareness. All living forms display this symptom of consciousness to one degree or another. That is why we call them living rather than dead. Even the small microbial germ or the common houseplant show signs of consciousness, whereas our dining table and chairs do not.

It is also evident that different forms of life display different degrees and levels of consciousness, and the human form represents the highest development of consciousness that we know. It is this greater development of consciousness, then, that distinguishes the human being from all other forms of life on the planet.

But what is it about our consciousness that makes it so different from that of the insect, the bird, the beast, or even the monkey? These creatures eat and we also eat; they sleep and we also sleep; they reproduce and we reproduce; they defend themselves and so do we. That we can perform these functions with greater sophistication may be one indicator that we possess higher consciousness, but it does not fully explain our excellence above all other forms of life.

A more satisfactory explanation is found in our ability to question our existence, reflect upon our selves, and inquire into our own nature and the nature of God. We can create languages, ponder the meaning of life, and puzzle in wonderment over the nighttime sky. Such an endowment is not present in any other form of life.

The Vedas therefore advise that in this human form of life we should be inquisitive to know who we are, what the universe is, what God is, and what the relationship is between ourselves, the universe, and God. We should inquire about the solution to the ultimate problems of life, namely birth, death, old age, and disease. Such questions cannot be asked by the cats and dogs, but they must arise in the heart of a real human being.

[pilgrim]

What is with the McDonald's hate?
The store made sushi at the local grocery store uses aspartame (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42) in it's pickled ginger, and aluminum (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38) in it's wasabi....

Two wrongs don't make a right.
"Food" consisting of dead animals and chemicals is bad, wether it comes from McDonalds or any other source.

[kanz]

So a burger isn't a burger and meat isn't meat?
Would you care to elaborate on that?

...Why am i even bothering to reply to this... :rolleyes:

Buy a mcdonalds hamburger, then buy some meat and make your own. Tell me you can't taste a diffrence ?

I don't think many people will say bacon tastes like sausage.

With an attitude like yours you shouldn't bother replying, just cause your a vegetarian your to good to reply or something?.

[pilgrim]

Buy a mcdonalds hamburger, then buy some meat and make your own. Tell me you can't taste a diffrence ?

I'm a vegetarian.
I will not pay ANYONE to kill an animal for me so i can eat it's corpse!
The very thought of "tasting the difference" makes me want to vomit!

I don't think many people will say bacon tastes like sausage.

You are a sausage!

[cheeney1]

What is with the McDonald's hate?

The store made sushi at the local grocery store uses aspartame (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42) in it's pickled ginger, and aluminum (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=38) in it's wasabi.

The buns they sell that resemble McDonald's buns have practically the same bad ingredients. Most of their frozen dinners are loaded with MSG and preservatives. The only chips (american) they have that don't have MSG have a Kosher Excise Tax (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9823) on them.

The answer isn't to attack McDonald's, it's to support local real organic farmers, and grow your own foods. McDonald's is no worse than most others.

The hate should be directed at ourselves for supporting the food control system.

But McDonalds is the Quick Fix for The Munchies ( For some People)The BIG M Stands Out just like any other Fast Food Outlet
You Know You're hungry were do you go.......:rolleyes:

[madthumbs]

I don't hunt as much anymore due to the fact that my spouse is pretty sensitive to that type of lifestyle and I'll debate with her incessantly that it's no different than picking up a steak at the store....but it's an argument that goes around in circles.

That's sad. I know deer here are way over populated due to farming and lack of natural predators. Many get hit by cars and end up being maimed dying slowly. There's also a ton of seagulls, and crows around yet we have people eating Dinty Moore and bologna from food pantry's.

[kanz]

I'm a vegetarian.
I will not pay ANYONE to kill an animal for me so i can eat it's corpse!
The very thought of "tasting the difference" makes me want to vomit!



You are a sausage!

Point being a hamburger isn't a hamburger. Not best to comment on something you know little about. Same as I wouldn't tell you all tofu is the same or what ever as I don't know.

Your last comment I don't know if you are trying to be funny/offensive or just stating that i am meat my self, so i will leave you alone :)

[pilgrim]

Point being a hamburger isn't a hamburger. Not best to comment on something you know little about.

Q: When is a hamburger not a hamburger?

A: When it's a hamburger!


Q: When is a pig not a pig?

A: When it's a "sausage"!


Q: When is a human not a human?

A: When it's a "plant"!

[dondaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mUwCDrR3g&feature=related
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mUwCDrR3g&feature=related[/MEDIA])

[pilgrim]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI

[smoking oceanus]

People know that McDonalds is bad for them.

So why do they continue to eat it? It has to do with their way of thinking. You are what you eat, you are what you think. If you think junk, you'll eat junk and watch TV junk. Its junk thinking. :D

[smoking oceanus]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI


Junktastic

[madthumbs]

People know that McDonalds is bad for them.

So why do they continue to eat it? It has to do with their way of thinking. You are what you eat, you are what you think. If you think junk, you'll eat junk and watch TV junk. Its junk thinking. :D

I just got a Caesar salad there with romaine lettuce. I wasn't going to put dressing on it, and now I think I should throw it in the garbage because you tell me it's junk. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

I never said that plants were'nt living organisms. They obviously are. (Growing, turning towards the sunlight, reacting to sound, etc).

My point is that humans & animals have a much more developed level of conscious awareness than plant-based life.
Therefore the difference between killing a human or cow is vastly different than harvesting wheat or picking fruit because of the level of suffering inflicted.

If one day, a man was caught after he killed a child, a dog, & a plant, would the punishment be the same for each "murder"?
Would the suffering caused be the same?

Human beings can live healthy lives on a meat-free vegetarian diet, so why cause so much unnecessary pain, torture & premature death to innocent animals?
Why pay money to support the Illuminati's meat industry?
Do you really want to consume the left-overs from the daily mass animal-killing, blood-sacrifices they perform in slaughterhouses all over the world, every day?

.................

Round of applause.

Honestly these people who try make out a plant feels as much pain as an animal are obviously seriously deluded ( if they believe this ) or full of shit and taking the piss.

[asentinel]

What kind of supplements are you saying are bad for people ?

I take a daily dose (amongst other things) of organic:-

Spirulina:-

World's highest beta carotene food reduces long term health risks.
Spirulina beta carotene is ten times more concentrated than carrots. So even if you don't eat the recommended 4 to 9 servings of fruits and vegetables every day (most people eat only 1-2, including french fries), get your natural beta carotene insurance from spirulina to help support your body's defenses.
60% easy-to-digest vegetable protein without the fat and cholesterol of meat.
People are eating less meat and dairy protein because they want to lower fat, cholesterol, and chemicals in their diet. Spirulina is the highest protein food with all the essential amino acids and has only a few calories to keep your waistline where you want it.
A rare essential fatty acid is a key to health.
Gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) in mother's milk helps develop healthy babies. Studies show nutritional deficiencies can block GLA production in your body, so a good dietary source of GLA can be important. Spirulina is the only other whole food with GLA.
Iron for women and children's health.
Iron is essential to build a strong system, yet is the most common mineral deficiency. Spirulina is rich in iron, magnesium and trace minerals, and is easier to absorb than iron supplements.
High in Vitamin B-12 and B Complex.
Spirulina is the highest source of B-12, essential for healthy nerves and tissue, especially for vegetarians.
Unusual phytonutrients for health and cleansing.
Scientists are discovering the benefits of polysaccharides, sulfolipids & glycolipids, and the rainbow of natural pigments that give spirulina a deep green color. Green (chlorophyll), blue (phycocyanin) and orange (carotenoids) colors collect the sun's energy and power growth. Chlorophyll is a natural cleanser and is often referred to as nature's green magic.

I agree about this product, (I fondly refer to as "pond scum") which you can even take for breakfast with water on an empty stomach and have no problem digesting. I love it and carry around handfuls with me, in case I have to skip a meal, it keeps the brain and body working. Much better than a snack of junkfood. Have been on it for years now. It is also great if you have been ill or suffer from apetite loss.

I have heard that a local scientist developed a food source, could be similar to this product and offered patent to UN, to relieve starvation in areas of famine and war, he was turned down. Doesn't that make sense. Clean, dry, transportable, easily digested, does not require refrid as is freeze dried.

[pilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw0c9Lz5m2k

[pilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw0c9Lz5m2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZirmJTTh_A

[stu30473]

Heres some great you tube videos on MSG

PARTS 1-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKMUYYdjmA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbk5O_Hkf8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xph84bNde1U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6p4iOehb5s&feature=related

I check every food label I buy that this product is not in them . It can be done, unless you are in a restaurant

[madthumbs]

I check every food label I buy that this product is not in them . It can be done, unless you are in a restaurant

Most major fast food chains gladly show you what foods contain MSG and other ingredients / nutrition information that concern the masses including McDonald's. You will probably get a sheet listing them if you simply ask for it. Most of the time, MSG is in the sauces. It's a good idea to have them leave off the sauces as they rarely contain anything good anyway. Fast food restaraunts are no different than Grocery stores when it comes to food additives including MSG which is why I don't understand why McDonald's is the singled out target of hate.

Arby's French Dip Sub uses a powedered mix for their Au Jus dipping sauce. The package flaunts "No added MSG" on the front, but has one of those alternate sources of it listed on the ingredients. I think the company that makes it is Nestle's but I might be wrong. Nestles last I knew was the biggest food company. Why not attack them instead?

[firstlook]

Well if you believe its "low vibration food", so mote it be! :D

I personally have no such beliefs, so I have no short-term or longer term affects from eating Mackers. In fact, no matter what I eat, it only does me good. :D

lol.

[93krystalmoons]

making documentaries makes people fat and unhealthy. Just look at michael moore.

lawl +1 :d

[domonic]

lawl +1 :d

well you can get fat depending on documentry, ask morgan spurlock

[blue2]

If you over eat or under eat you affect your blood glucose balance and also any bad salt, and fact it's been tested that if you live on that type of food for say a couple weeks you will increase your blood pressure. Also any allergies can attck thyroid gland and any gluten coupled with nasty synthetic chems will knock off brain's pituitary gland from producing it's growth hormone and again insulin balance will be affected and digestion. Simple do not do it!! of course these foods can become addictive likely cos of additives etc.

[unlockthepower]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j9DhBSn8tE

[motleyhoo]

Because it's loaded with Sodium, and its the cheapest worst kind of Sodium they can get, not to mention that they load their food up with MSG and tallow to make you crave more of it. It's not a joke that their food is addictive, and they have spent millions of dollars in their lab making it that way. The chemicals they put into the food activate the pleasure center of your brain so that you begin to associate pleasure with the taste of their food. That's why you crave it and keep going back for more.

Every dime you spend there you are saying you agree with what they doing, so please stop.

.