sir philip bailhache

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the masonic childminder

[motox]

Philip Martin Bailhache and Haut de la Garenne in Jersey ... establishment are among those accused of abusing children in the Haut de la Garenne care home, ...
aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/02/philip-martin-bailhache-and-haut-de-la.html - 72k

[motox]

come on freemasons whats your brother been doing

[chestnutlodge]

In response

Quote: "Sir Philip Bailhache, Bailiff of Jersey, opened the {gift] garden. Although he is not a mason, his father and grandfather were, the latter being Deputy PGM between 1947 and 1959."

Source - http://www.freemasonrytoday.com/16/p04.php

Unfortunately your accusation is incorrect, he is not a freemason. If however you can back up your statement to show that he is then please do.

Rather than trying to link masonry with a spurious claim perhaps you should be sparing a thought for the alleged victims.

[motox]

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/02/philip-martin-bailhache-and-haut-de-la.html

[chestnutlodge]

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/02/philip-martin-bailhache-and-haut-de-la.html

Having looked at that blog, which I may add is not necessarily authorative, there is no mention of freemasonry. Please can you assist if I have missed something

[motox]

Having looked at that blog, which I may add is not necessarily authorative, there is no mention of freemasonry. Please can you assist if I have missed something

what makes it not authorative because its not in the mainstrem media

[motox]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393628.html

[motox]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/03/393628.html

well if you can post links to say he aint a freemason whats to say that this link aint the authorative

[motox]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3471765.ece

[chestnutlodge]

Motox - You link to the Indy site does indeed state that he is a fremason, but as this again is a site full of opinions it can not be taken as authorative. The Times site does not mention the person you are accusing nor freemasonry so please explain how this helps your arguement.

Please answer as to why a freemason publication, which is placed in the publc domain, would state that he is not a freemason if he was? I am afraid linking to Blog spots does not constitute evidence. All it shows is opinions. For isntance I could open a Blog and I could post that you are a freemason, I have no evidence, but if I add that everyone knows and your denials are just you covering up and that it is well known by everyone, I even have a close source, would it be believed? Yes. But it is incorrect.

[greenleaf]

Motox - You link to the Indy site does indeed state that he is a fremason, but as this again is a site full of opinions it can not be taken as authorative. The Times site does not mention the person you are accusing nor freemasonry so please explain how this helps your arguement.

Please answer as to why a freemason publication, which is placed in the publc domain, would state that he is not a freemason if he was? I am afraid linking to Blog spots does not constitute evidence. All it shows is opinions. For isntance I could open a Blog and I could post that you are a freemason, I have no evidence, but if I add that everyone knows and your denials are just you covering up and that it is well known by everyone, I even have a close source, would it be believed? Yes. But it is incorrect.

next you'll be telling us what a lovely peaceful man robber and cop-killer Kenneth Noye is!
you won't accept the fact that even though the nazi pope we have at the moment forgive them, the Knights Templar are coming down!..this time for good

[chestnutlodge]

Greenleaf - Why would I wish to praise Kenneth Noye?

Please explain how our current pope is a Nazi?

Yes the Vatican have exhonerated the Knights Templars. How does that fit into the actual Templars and the masonic order called the Knights Templars?

[greenleaf]

Greenleaf - Why would I wish to praise Kenneth Noye?

Please explain how our current pope is a Nazi?

Yes the Vatican have exhonerated the Knights Templars. How does that fit into the actual Templars and the masonic order called the Knights Templars?

what am I, your researcher... ?..these are easy things to find out.. if you can't manage it.. ask a 14 yr old, they're good on PC's
but don't sacrifice him...

[chestnutlodge]

what am I, your researcher... ?..these are easy things to find out.. if you can't manage it.. ask a 14 yr old, they're good on PC's
but don't sacrifice him...

No but having told me what I am likely to do and make reference to the Pope being a Nazi, you obviously have information which would enlighten me. Please point me in the right direction to save my 14 yr old.

Its always easy make a statement then not back it up but accuse the others of not doing research, where is yours?

[motox]

kenneth noye member of hammer smith masonic lodge

[chestnutlodge]

kenneth noye member of hammer smith masonic lodge

So what does that prove if it is true, which I am not in a position to deny at the moment. However other than the fact that if he is a freemason then he was not a very nice one, why on earth would I wish to say anything nice about him? He is a murderer.

[beldazar]

Cheers greenleaf! just spat out my coffee all over the keyboard! :D

[chestnutlodge]

See that its another adult conversation again.

Silly remarks backed by no fact only heresay, makes me wonder what else you believe which is fiction.

[the guy in pink]

So what does that prove if it is true, which I am not in a position to deny at the moment. However other than the fact that if he is a freemason then he was not a very nice one, why on earth would I wish to say anything nice about him? He is a murderer.

The significance of Kenneth Noye is that he was one individual who became a Freemason, but who did not meet the requirements to be a Freemason. That was almost 30 years ago and he appears to be just about the only example of a bad apple that can be pointed at Freemasonry, so he gets to be dredged up on these forums time and time again. For Freemasonry that's the good news: There are very few other examples.

[mike martin]

the masonic childminder

The man's not a Mason!

Mike

[chestnutlodge]

Ah yes back to the original thread via one Kenneth Noye.

Very easy to accuse harder to provide evidence to back up the accusation. In future you may wish to add 'allegedly' for legal reasons.

[mike martin]

kenneth noye member of hammer smith masonic lodge

Yes you're quite right he was a Mason, who is now rotting in jail for the murder of a fellow human being.

I gotta tell you, I'm glad he's there and I hope they lose the key.

Mike