Is God hacking into the system?

[cleft_asunder]

I've been thinking a lot about the below quotes. There is one particular part when Icke takes mushrooms and the voice --which he says is himself talking to himself-- says that the One never intended nature and the universe to be as it is. Nature, while beautiful, at it's heart is about survival and fear, one species tearing appart another. The Native Americans view it as the circle of life but I view it as the circle of death. When you see things such as this nature system, you wonder about the creator. Is this really the personality of the creator? I think not. I think nature is the best indicator as to who is running the show: Fear, Lucifer, Matrix mind, whatever you want to call it.

But I want to know what you guys think about 2 parallel shifts happening. One is the 2012 thing everyone knows about, and the other which is "God hacking into the system." The first one is a change in the Matrix DVD which doesn't really have any grand significance, and the second is the rewriting of the Matrix to one of benevolence and love. What do you guys think about this "hacking" thing? Icke writes about it because the voice told him, but who else writes about it? It's the first time I've heard it. I know the woman at xeeatwelve also writes something similar in the Mirra article.

Chapter Logging Off, Icke writes:

"We are in the midst of a collective transformation, at the least at this level of the perception, although I don't believe it's the one the New Age and the others talk about. I would suggest there are actually two 'transformations' and one is a fake designed to mislead us. the year 2012 would appear very significant to the Illuminati and this is also the point at which the Mayan Calendar says there will be a transformation to a new world. the ancient mayands, in what is now Central America, developed their own measurment of time and observed repeating cycles thet they detailed in the calendar. They said that a Great Cycle began on August 11th, 3114BC and would end on the winter solstice, December 21st, 2012, the point when a 'Great, Great Cycle' of 26,000 years would also come to a conclusion. It relates to the New Age belief about moving from the astrological Age of Pisces to the 'Enlightened' Age of Aquarius. This is the moment when new cycles will begin, it is said, and humanity will be infused with love and light. A Mayan Calendar website summarised this basic theme:"


"There is no reason not to take a leap of faith into imagining what may be in store. We may trust that it is time for humanity to awaken into a true partnership with eath other, with the earth, and the Cosmos, By accepting this partnership we may claim our birthright and become Galactic Citizens who care for and sustain the planet, thus sustaining ourselves. This is clearly the challenge of our times. Yet, arriving just int the time and on schedule is the Winter Solstice dawn on the day we may remember we are truly children of the world."

"At the risk of upsetting many in the New Age, I say this is the fake transformation. I have no problem with the fact that 2012 is siginificant in Time Loop terms, nor that the Mayans clearly had a remarkable grasp on the planetary and cosmic cycles they related to time. I just say they were measuring the computer program, the cosmic planetarium, and that the predicted transformation is as illusory as the rest of this holographic reality. It is another part of the DVD, another diversionary subplot. There is no time, and anything that identifies with it is not a transformation to Oneness. We are not 'Truly children of the world,' we are truly infinite conciousness. Identifying self with the 'world' is identifying with the Matrix. It is a belief system that still relates to form, with being human, Galactic Citizens, and sustaining the holographic illusion we call earth. Millions are caught by the Matrix in the fake transformation. They Mayan Calendar is one example and so is Ashtar Command."

"I attended an event in London in which members of a remaining tribe of Incas told of the coming upheavals and change. They lived high in the Andes mountains of Peru where their people had remained isolated from the rest of society until, as their legends foretold 500 years earlier, a series of signs appeared that told them the transformation of humanity had arrived. The legends said that when they saw the signs they should come down from the mountains and tell the world the next 'Pachacuti' had begun. Pacha means 'earth' or 'time', and Cuti means 'to turn upside-down.' This is a common theme and, again, I am sure the upheaval and the chaos they predict (including major geological events) are designed by the Matrix to happen, as in fact it already is. But I still say the 2012 scenario is a change in the program, not truly a transformation to oneness in awareness of itself. The latter has nothing to do with an Age of Aquarius, which is just another scene on the DVD. There is something else going on that does not relate to the programmed astrological movements or cycles of time. It is a transformation emitting from the level of awareness in which illusions like cosmic cycles are irrelevant. To continue the computer analogy, oneness is hacking into the system. Synchronicity or coordinated coincidence can have many causes. It can be the Matrix program; it can be conciousness caught in the cause and effect illusion we call the cycle of reincarnation and karma; and it can be the reconnecting with in awareness -knowing- with the One, all that is, and being drawn to similar states of consciousness. The synchronicity of knowing frees you from the synchronicity of the program. The trick is knowing which is which. It is reconnecting with Oneness that carries the energy of true transformation and anyone can do this by ceasing to identify with the illusion and being the One that they are. The Matrix transformation and the Oneness transformation are running together and the way to tell them apart is their effect. Does a change or event bring love or conflict? Balance or imbalance? Justice or injustice? Does it further divide or bring together? Does it imprison or does it set free? The matrix transformation is about changing the game; the Oneness transformation is about ending the game as we have come to know it."

"Energy follows sense of reality and when you know you are the One, and express that knowing, you become the essence of the One. That's all we need to do to transform from limitation to all possibility. The balance of Oneness strips away imbalanced thought and emotion and excites the particles of the holographic realm to vibrate ever faster until there is no vibration at all. It will balance the body holograms of those that connect with it, restore them to health and end the ageing process that sees so many play out their physical lives in pain and infirmity. As we are transformed from fear to love, so we send that energy to the Matrix central computer and rewrite it's program. From there it is transmitted back to all holograms within the super-hologram and those programs are also rewritten in the language of love. Tha balance of Oneness will also heal the gaps in the fabric of our collective reality called interspaces. they are a symptom of the fragmentation and cannot exist within unity. With that, and the massively increased potential to see the veil of visible light, so much that has remained hidden comes into conscious view. As the frequency rises, so our relationship to illusory time changes and those flowing with the transformation experience time as passing even faster. Oneness has always been there, but now it is being felt again and, for those who are freeing themselves from the program, home is calling."

[ho1ogram]

I'm with Icke on this one. I'm sceptical of the whole 2012 thing. It sounds like another ruse, "hey everything will be alright when the year xxxx arrives"
etc. There is only now, the present, this moment, which is always changing and thus creates the illusion of time passing. If we want to wake up then now is the time, the future isn't here and never will be because it doesn't exist.

We love our times and dates. Just look at all of the religious festivals around certain dates. You know what'll happen after 2012? There'll be a bloody festival to honour it every year, another matrix trick, a celebration each year where we will be told "that was the day humanity was set free, woke up, blah, blah..." I reckon we've heard words like that before.

We are sleepwalking. It's a matter of waking up to our true self, not waiting for a saviour, end times, transformation or anything else. IMO anyway, until further information comes along...

God hacking the system? Yeah sure, cos we are God and as we wake up we are hacking the matrix. We begin to see the codes and realise we have the tools to program our own destiny. Hey, Icke and others are helping us to see the matrix codes - symbolism. We are learning to read the matrix and see how we have let this happen. Waiting for a certain date to save us is what got us here in the first place, "she'll be right, someone else'll fix it, don't worry about it, we'll wake up later on, oh say 2012... the mayans said that'll happen and I trust everything they say because even though the Illuminati have messed with every other civilisation, for some reason though Mayans were exempt from being misled and used."

I agree with you on the nature thing too. I think Icke or Don Juan or both reckon that nature is the reptillian mind in action and I agree. There is lot's of beauty in nature but it is primarirly one of fear, the fight for survival, just like most people believe their lives to be. In the "Other Side of Infinity" by Carlos Castaneda, Don Juan says we experience hunger anxiety, which is the anxiety of the reptillians, or the predator of man as Juan calls them. http://www.harmonymindbodyspirit.com/archives/predator.shtml

The past is gone, the future isn't here, this moment is all the there is.

[lumukanda]

this is the thing that get's me about 2012, to me it's just the second coming of christ re-invented, people are just happy to sit back and wait for it to happen, and in many circles, that's encouraged.

[oneofmany]

have any of you heard about Ian Lungold?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1030536695965417017&q=Ian+Lungold

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2832986272853534626&q=Ian+Lungold

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8985944829650939114&q=Ian+Lungold

He gives a whole new perspective on the whole mayan calendar 2012 thing.

[truthcommission]

...the future isn't here and never will be because it doesn't exist...
That is quite a limited perspective.

In our linear minds we can easily be fooled into thinking that time passes from the PAST to the FUTURE in the PRESENT moment.

But what if it was ALL happening AT ONCE?

If we rely too heavily on our five senses and memories we will only perceive the present, remember the past and not yet conceive of the future. This does not mean that all three do not operate on different (separate yet interconnected) levels of 'reality' even though we are currently unable to collapse time and 'see' the past and future.

[ho1ogram]

But what if it was ALL happening AT ONCE?


That's what I mean. There is only this moment because it (infinity) is all happening at once. We are just tuned into a particular frequency of the moment. I think...? Don't start me thinking about this now, I'll only get a headache...:D

[paulski]

But what if it was ALL happening AT ONCE?

If we rely too heavily on our five senses and memories we will only perceive the present, remember the past and not yet conceive of the future. This does not mean that all three do not operate on different (separate yet interconnected) levels of 'reality' even though we are currently unable to collapse time and 'see' the past and future.


I think that you have a point, that there has to be alternative realities where 'everything is possible' and where other alternatives especially where humanity is free is happening, God-Mind must experience every reality.

[garth]

2012 might just be a red dress? A distraction in the program:)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2500/thematrixreddressny9.jpg

[friendsinthesky]

But what if it was ALL happening AT ONCE?

If we rely too heavily on our five senses and memories we will only perceive the present, remember the past and not yet conceive of the future. This does not mean that all three do not operate on different (separate yet interconnected) levels of 'reality' even though we are currently unable to collapse time and 'see' the past and future.

Then life would be worthless, let me ask you :truthcommission: why are you here on earth?

[garth]

I Reck'on that 2012 is more a illuminati date than anything else, as they are so into numbers, specific dates etc, it would make sense that they have something big planned for 2012. There has been much speculation about 2012, second coming of christ, end of the world, nubiru etc etc what if the whole 2012 thing is just to increase the anticipation, fear, apprehension etc etc fuelling the reps along the way, getting everyone on edge. So when they "plant the big one" they have a captive audience. A great way to suck all the "new agers" into there fear web. Who knows what might happen, could be a fake independance day event, the possibilites are endless, but I reck'on they are planning something, and all the hype might just be to rope in people who had started down a path of free thought and independant thinking, had opened there eyes a little, then got sucked into the scam and become fodder for the reps. dunno, but it smells a little fishy

[ho1ogram]

what if the whole 2012 thing is just to increase the anticipation, fear, apprehension etc etc fuelling the reps along the way, getting everyone on edge.

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :cool: :cool: :cool:

We fuel our own fears, we are the reps, dates and numbers focus our attention on this plane, blinding us to infinite potential. Birthdays, festivals, holidays, payday, expectation, expectation, expectation.... always waiting, hoping, desiring, dreading, blah, blah blah...... all a distraction from the NOW.

[garth]

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :cool: :cool: :cool:

We fuel our own fears, we are the reps, dates and numbers focus our attention on this plane, blinding us to infinite potential. Birthdays, festivals, holidays, payday, expectation, expectation, expectation.... always waiting, hoping, desiring, dreading, blah, blah blah...... all a distraction from the NOW.

True Bro, the now is where it's at, disconnection from the matirx, from this plane.

[whitenight639]

hey guys i agree with most of you its a good discussion, however i have trouble experiencing/ imaging oneness - I see that everything is matter (atoms) but i imagine that somewhere in me is small subatomic particles that are not like the rest, that are my consiousness.. so i can not trully be one with everything because not everything is consious???????? See i hear people describe oneness like this: we are all made up of atoms and so is everything else so if you ponder that for a while during meditation then you get a sence of oneness.

i think i need to buy a blowtourch lighter for that stash of salvia iv had for ages.

I believe we all have a big collective unconsious that is in a 4th dimension but smaller ellements of this consious are in this dimension at the same time (in us people, hench occupying our wierd subatomic particles that help manifest our consiousness in this dimension through our bodies) that make sence?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[sweet cheeks]

have any of you heard about Ian Lungold?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1030536695965417017&q=Ian+Lungold

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2832986272853534626&q=Ian+Lungold

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8985944829650939114&q=Ian+Lungold

He gives a whole new perspective on the whole mayan calendar 2012 thing.[/URL]

Yeah, 2012 is about the alignment of the galaxy/universe.....

If one has investigated this topic well, then you would know -

Also the bible is based on this event as well, the bible is based on astrology, you have to be astute in the subject though to see it as you read the bible.

Dr. Paul LaViolette - Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past

http://www.mininova.org/tor/204037 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097)

Quote:
Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past
Based on the work of Dr. Paul LaViolette - Hosted by Johanna Lambert and Produced by Jay Weidner
0:53:00 - split by chapter (6 files, 563mb) - 720 x 480 pixels DivX - 224kbps mp3 audio

In this exciting new video, Dr. Paul LaViolette theorizes that there is a periodic cyclic catastrophe in the Milky Way. He proves that our ancestors knew more about the universe and the cosmos around them than our history books have told us. Learn that the zodiac is a sophisticated device designed to show us the way towards the center of the Galaxy, a location that was not discovered by astronomers until 1917. In Earth Under Fire you will learn that the myths that have been passed down through the ages are not just simple stories or legends, but perhaps windows into the fate of our planet.
Join Dr. Paul LaViolette and host Johanna Lambert, as we explore our galactic neighborhood and reveal that the Earth is periodically visited by a celestial catastrophe. Whether it is recurrent cosmic explosions in our Galaxy or the discovery that major loss of life in Earth's past may have been caused by influxes of cosmic dust, Dr. Paul LaViolette's theories continue to gain ground in the scientific community. Like the Hollywood films Deep Impact and Armageddon, Earth Under Fire tackles the idea that there may be disasters from space that have shaped our past and will affect our future.

[url]http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/video-EUF.html


He talks about protecting the earth with scalar weaponry in the last part.

He never says "scalar" but you know thats what he is talking about....

Anyway worth a watch. Goes along with this vid -

"The Great Cross and the End of Time" -

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=883

It's no longer on google video, so you'll have to watch it on "madthumbs" site.

Anyway these dudes think that this is really what 2012 is all about.

This would also coincide with the remote viewers "Kill Shot".

Still waiting on "2012 - The Odyssey". ;)

The elite THINK that they will rid themselves of "us" when these events take place, but we will see.....

[cleft_asunder]

The 2012 thing is very real in my opinion, but it's just a shift in the prison as I was saying. Picture yourself in a typical prison cell. You have a toilet, a sink, and a bed and maybe a t.v. That's where we are on Earth. Now 2012 will come around and all of a sudden the t.v. is replaced by a huge flatpanel, luxurious bed, and the prison is 100 times the size or whatever, but we're still in the prison. So I do believe there will be a shift, but it's just a prison shift.

What I really wanted to talk about was that other thing. I want to know if it's true.

[cleft_asunder]

Yeah, 2012 is about the alignment of the galaxy/universe.....

If one has investigated this topic well, then you would know -

Also the bible is based on this event as well, the bible is based on astrology, you have to be astute in the subject though to see it as you read the bible.

Dr. Paul LaViolette - Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past

http://www.mininova.org/tor/204037

Quote:
Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past
Based on the work of Dr. Paul LaViolette - Hosted by Johanna Lambert and Produced by Jay Weidner
0:53:00 - split by chapter (6 files, 563mb) - 720 x 480 pixels DivX - 224kbps mp3 audio

In this exciting new video, Dr. Paul LaViolette theorizes that there is a periodic cyclic catastrophe in the Milky Way. He proves that our ancestors knew more about the universe and the cosmos around them than our history books have told us. Learn that the zodiac is a sophisticated device designed to show us the way towards the center of the Galaxy, a location that was not discovered by astronomers until 1917. In Earth Under Fire you will learn that the myths that have been passed down through the ages are not just simple stories or legends, but perhaps windows into the fate of our planet.
Join Dr. Paul LaViolette and host Johanna Lambert, as we explore our galactic neighborhood and reveal that the Earth is periodically visited by a celestial catastrophe. Whether it is recurrent cosmic explosions in our Galaxy or the discovery that major loss of life in Earth's past may have been caused by influxes of cosmic dust, Dr. Paul LaViolette's theories continue to gain ground in the scientific community. Like the Hollywood films Deep Impact and Armageddon, Earth Under Fire tackles the idea that there may be disasters from space that have shaped our past and will affect our future.

http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/video-EUF.html


He talks about protecting the earth with scalar weaponry in the last part.

He never says "scalar" but you know thats what he is talking about....

Anyway worth a watch. Goes along with this vid -

"The Great Cross and the End of Time" -

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=883

It's no longer on google video, so you'll have to watch it on "madthumbs" site.

Anyway these dudes think that this is really what 2012 is all about.

This would also coincide with the remote viewers "Kill Shot".

Still waiting on "2012 - The Odyssey". ;)

The elite THINK that they will rid themselves of "us" when these events take place, but we will see.....


2012 is insignificant. Who cares if we go from 3rd to 4th density? That's my point, it's all bread and circuses. There is no REAL evolution in the Matrix, it is a chutes and ladders game where we rise and fall over-and-over without purpose. People can't seem to grasp that the Matrix is a prison. All this talk about ascention, and reincarnation, and karma, and dark/light, and "soul," are just meaningless details in a purposeless system. At the top is Lucifer who sustains the Matrix through absorbing our energy. It's very basic.

Seriously, don't post if you're not going to read and comprehend what I'm talking about. Did you even read the book?

[earthseed]

Cleft, you are right it is all bullshit. No matter what it does to keep itself going it is bullshit. And the prime creator of it is simply feeding off the loosh. This is just factory farming. I mean it can be quite comical to see what this godhead has to do to maintain itself out of the void. I've personally gotten to the point where I don't even take this reality serious anymore. It's just a joke to me. Spin me round and round make me whoever put me in every drama you can it still isn't worth a cent. It's still just the hamster running on the wheel to keep the lightbulb running. But, again we have to remember that a lot of consciousness likes this will always want to be doing this. They are addicted to this sort of existence. It's a drug to them. Those of us who want to leave this have to make an effort upon exit of our body to get out of it.

[i am all i am]

2012 might just be a red dress? A distraction in the program:)
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2500/thematrixreddressny9.jpg

And doesn't the sleepwalker love the distraction!!!

I'm with Icke on this one. I'm sceptical of the whole 2012 thing. It sounds like another ruse, "hey everything will be alright when the year xxxx arrives"
etc. There is only now, the present, this moment, which is always changing and thus creates the illusion of time passing. If we want to wake up then now is the time, the future isn't here and never will be because it doesn't exist.

100%.

NOW is ALL THAT IS expressed moment to moment.

The oneness is always changing/moving, and this state of movement or change, is realised by mind/body as time, which allows perspective for the oneness to express and experience itself from all perspectives.

Dates are merely a man made concept, the same as this language that we are communicating in. Freedom will be experienced by choice, not a date.

We are sleepwalking. It's a matter of waking up to our true self, not waiting for a saviour, end times, transformation or anything else. IMO anyway, until further information comes along...

Responsibility for individual thoughts/words/actions as being a part of the co-creation is what the sleepwalker chooses to avoid. They are addicted to the drama. Self determination means that they would have to let go of the drama and become responsible for their own lives, no longer being reliant upon others or outside events to determine WHO THEY ARE.

The past is gone, the future isn't here, this moment is all the there is.

100%.

All is NOW because ALL THAT IS is the ONENESS that represents everything, the totality of all life.

NOW is the only time that you can be free, because it is the only time that your choice is made. Without choice there is no freedom, and this is why living in the past or the future is guarenteed to maintain your enslavement to the system of control that humanity is experiencing. Freedom is NOW, the moment that we choose.


With LOVE.

[phenylamine]

i think i need to buy a blowtourch lighter for that stash of salvia iv had for ages.





Salvia is how I experienced being a part of an infinite energy field(best I can describe it using words)where there was no time,no objects,no anything really.Just this infinite stream of consciousness/energy.This was many years ago before I had ever heard of David,or indeed anything else not on CNN,I have no intention of ever doing it again as it was quite startling and more than a bit disturbing because its so radically different from our 'normal' reality,if fact absolutely no relation at all.However I also wouldn't take the experience back for anything,as it was probably the most enlightening experience of my life.It was quite amazing to me when I first heard David talking about infinite oneness for the first time on a video I stumbled across when researching the Federal Reserve.I was floored that he was describing almost exactly what I had experienced,and well I guess I haven't looked back since.
Peace

[whitenight639]

thankyou for sharing your expierence with me, when i first got this salvia i made a water bong and used a regular lighter n hit it real hard about 5 times, all i got was a strange ''stripe'' of awareness in my vision was a wierd expierence that didnt last long i would like to try again sometime when the time is right and no1 is about, im pretty certain you have to burn it hotter tho.


(Disclaimer) BTW people this drug is a powerfull halucenogenic but is currently legal in the UK and some other countries, it comes from the mountains in some far out country and has been used by tribes for decades to gain insight, but its not to be messed with.

[cleft_asunder]

And doesn't the sleepwalker love the distraction!!!



100%.

NOW is ALL THAT IS expressed moment to moment.

The oneness is always changing/moving, and this state of movement or change, is realised by mind/body as time, which allows perspective for the oneness to express and experience itself from all perspectives.

Dates are merely a man made concept, the same as this language that we are communicating in. Freedom will be experienced by choice, not a date.



Responsibility for individual thoughts/words/actions as being a part of the co-creation is what the sleepwalker chooses to avoid. They are addicted to the drama. Self determination means that they would have to let go of the drama and become responsible for their own lives, no longer being reliant upon others or outside events to determine WHO THEY ARE.



100%.

All is NOW because ALL THAT IS is the ONENESS that represents everything, the totality of all life.

NOW is the only time that you can be free, because it is the only time that your choice is made. Without choice there is no freedom, and this is why living in the past or the future is guarenteed to maintain your enslavement to the system of control that humanity is experiencing. Freedom is NOW, the moment that we choose.


With LOVE.

That's a whole lot of nothing you just said. Here, I'll sum up what you said in a basic form, but I will replace 2012 with the Illuminati NWO.

The Illuminati want to imprison us in the NWO by 2012 and beyond, that is a FACT. Your responce is: "Dates are merely a man made concept, the same as this language that we are communicating in. Freedom will be experienced by choice, not a date."

No, dates are a REALITY in the Matrix. Even though it's all a game, the game is real in the sense that you experience it, just as a video game is real in the sense that you see and interact with it. Therefore, if the NWO enslaves us further then you're above quote is a bit non-applicable wouldn't you say?

Any way, I don't care about this subject. A whole can of worms has been let loose as I knew would happen. My original post was clear cut, and I don't recall the title being 'What are your thoughts on 2012 and reality in general?'

[cleft_asunder]

Back to the subject, is the Matrix hampster wheel being hacked into or not? And who writes about it other than Icke? Everyone talks in terms of Earth shifts and shit like that. I am not talking about that. I am talking beyond the Matrix universe. The Matrix universe contains all dimensions, not just ours. I am talking about the whole game being being changed, or destroyed:

"Darkness (a.k.a. "Satan" or "the Devil") created the universe (this includes the higher dimensions, too). He is holding all of us captive inside of it. The true creator of existence lives in a different realm--the True Realm. The universe is indeed a crude pseudo-creation; everything in it is based upon programming (i.e. DNA). There is no programming in the True Realm, because it is not a virtual reality, it is simply reality. In the True Realm, crude concepts such as time, biological life, and physics do not exist. Only Darkness (a pseudo creator) would create a realm based on such things. Anything that is "technical" or governed by rules/restrictions (which is everything in the universe) is crude. The True Creator does not need to rely on any rules. That is why the universe is the Matrix--it has rules. It is a virtual reality, as opposed to reality.

When one dies, then goes on to the astral world (the fourth dimension), they are still inside of Darkness's universe. The only way to get out of the universe and into the True Realm is for the universe to be destroyed."

[cleft_asunder]

Cleft, you are right it is all bullshit. No matter what it does to keep itself going it is bullshit. And the prime creator of it is simply feeding off the loosh. This is just factory farming. I mean it can be quite comical to see what this godhead has to do to maintain itself out of the void. I've personally gotten to the point where I don't even take this reality serious anymore. It's just a joke to me. Spin me round and round make me whoever put me in every drama you can it still isn't worth a cent. It's still just the hamster running on the wheel to keep the lightbulb running. But, again we have to remember that a lot of consciousness likes this will always want to be doing this. They are addicted to this sort of existence. It's a drug to them. Those of us who want to leave this have to make an effort upon exit of our body to get out of it.

Okay, so what do you make of what Icke said? Do you have any links or books of similar view?

[i am all i am]

That's a whole lot of nothing you just said. Here, I'll sum up what you said in a basic form, but I will replace 2012 with the Illuminati NWO.

If you'll notice, I did not use the terms 2012 or Illuminati in my post.

The Illuminati want to imprison us in the NWO by 2012 and beyond, that is a FACT.

The prison, that is this current reality/matrix, is already here. The NWO is the next version of the prison.

Therefore, if the NWO enslaves us further then you're above quote is a bit non-applicable wouldn't you say?

No, you've said that. I was responding to a post by Ho1ogram.

Any way, I don't care about this subject. A whole can of worms has been let loose as I knew would happen. My original post was clear cut, and I don't recall the title being 'What are your thoughts on 2012 and reality in general?'

I'll help you to recall. Here's a quote from your original post.

But I want to know what you guys think about 2 parallel shifts happening. One is the 2012 thing everyone knows about, and the other which is "God hacking into the system." The first one is a change in the Matrix DVD which doesn't really have any grand significance, and the second is the rewriting of the Matrix to one of benevolence and love. What do you guys think about this "hacking" thing? Icke writes about it because the voice told him, but who else writes about it? It's the first time I've heard it. I know the woman at xeeatwelve also writes something similar in the Mirra article.

[phenylamine]

thankyou for sharing your expierence with me, when i first got this salvia i made a water bong and used a regular lighter n hit it real hard about 5 times, all i got was a strange ''stripe'' of awareness in my vision was a wierd expierence that didnt last long i would like to try again sometime when the time is right and no1 is about, im pretty certain you have to burn it hotter tho.


(Disclaimer) BTW people this drug is a powerfull halucenogenic but is currently legal in the UK and some other countries, it comes from the mountains in some far out country and has been used by tribes for decades to gain insight, but its not to be messed with.

is it salvia leaf or salvia extract?
I used a 20x salvia extract and only took one big hit,and it was off to another reality.VERY scary in alot of ways and definitely not for the faint of heart.However like I said above its not an experience i would take back for anything and it sure did give me a new view on things,a view,I believe was just as valid or possibly more so than our 'normal' view of reality.It was an experience that will never dim in my memory.Since my first post on the subject I have been trying to put my experience down in words,it's not easy!,words are definitely limited in their ability to express these kinda things.If I can put it in coherent enough words I'll post my entire experience,but so far I'm not having much luck.

[cleft_asunder]

If you'll notice, I did not use the terms 2012 or Illuminati in my post.



The prison, that is this current reality/matrix, is already here. The NWO is the next version of the prison.



No, you've said that. I was responding to a post by Ho1ogram.



I'll help you to recall. Here's a quote from your original post.

Alright, I should have known that asking for opinions on both of the supposed shifts would lead to opinions on only 1 of the 2, that being 2012. It seems the topic wasn't suggestive enough, "Is God hacking into the system?" Nor the quotes from Icke's book, that I'm more concerned with that other shift than 2012.

[ho1ogram]

Hey, I had a stab at answering it! :D

God hacking the system? Yeah sure, cos we are God and as we wake up we are hacking the matrix. We begin to see the codes and realise we have the tools to program our own destiny.

What's your definition of God? I'm with i am all i am, we're co-creators, we are God. We are experiencing ourself as individaul aspects of the infinite. As we realise this we wake up and over ride the matrix program.

Or are you asking if an outside force is hacking the program? Maybe I agree but only if that outside force is a part of us, another dimension of ourselves that we are calling upon. Hmmm.. actually I'm not so sure about that, it sounds a bit like another matrix trick.

I'll have to give it some more attention... Okay, done. We are God. :) Our self realisation is the only path out of the matrix. However, there may be many paths to self realisation. Hence infinite potential.
How's that sound?
Cheers
h :)

[marguerite]

Can anybody tell me what can we do to just get out of the matrix and be alive? I've been reading this forum for awhile and it just seems that most are aware and talking but what to do? Who amongst you has the information that will tell us how to stop the matrix and be free?:confused:

[cleft_asunder]

Hey, I had a stab at answering it! :D



What's your definition of God? I'm with i am all i am, we're co-creators, we are God. We are experiencing ourself as individaul aspects of the infinite. As we realise this we wake up and over ride the matrix program.

Or are you asking if an outside force is hacking the program? Maybe I agree but only if that outside force is a part of us, another dimension of ourselves that we are calling upon. Hmmm.. actually I'm not so sure about that, it sounds a bit like another matrix trick.

I'll have to give it some more attention... Okay, done. We are God. :) Our self realisation is the only path out of the matrix. However, there may be many paths to self realisation. Hence infinite potential.
How's that sound?
Cheers
h :)


I agree, we are that God that is (supposedly) hacking into the system. But it's the real us who we've forgotten we are, remember that! Therefore, do you believe that God is changing the system?

[cleft_asunder]

Can anybody tell me what can we do to just get out of the matrix and be alive? I've been reading this forum for awhile and it just seems that most are aware and talking but what to do? Who amongst you has the information that will tell us how to stop the matrix and be free?:confused:

Sigh... I don't know. I guess that's why I started this post. But honestly, I don't want to get out of the Matrix, because as another poster said, we are (kinda) choosing to be in this nightmare. So what I want is for the nightmare to change into a paradise, one in which we realise who we are (God, all that is) and in which we can explore creation.I want the end of polarity, of fear.

I have never been a subscriber to the idea that some will leave the Matrix, while others stay. It's all or nothing. I want everyone to win. And I know that doesn't make sense because all there is is God and we are it, but on a lower level we are seperate individual beings, and that's what I mean by 'I want everyone to win.'

Any way, what's up neighbor (marguerite)? I'm from Reno, Nevada. I'm currently in Susanville, CA. :)

[oneofmany]

Yeah, 2012 is about the alignment of the galaxy/universe.....

If one has investigated this topic well, then you would know -

Also the bible is based on this event as well, the bible is based on astrology, you have to be astute in the subject though to see it as you read the bible.

Dr. Paul LaViolette - Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past

http://www.mininova.org/tor/204037

Quote:
Earth Under Fire: Understanding Mythology as the Science of the Past
Based on the work of Dr. Paul LaViolette - Hosted by Johanna Lambert and Produced by Jay Weidner
0:53:00 - split by chapter (6 files, 563mb) - 720 x 480 pixels DivX - 224kbps mp3 audio

In this exciting new video, Dr. Paul LaViolette theorizes that there is a periodic cyclic catastrophe in the Milky Way. He proves that our ancestors knew more about the universe and the cosmos around them than our history books have told us. Learn that the zodiac is a sophisticated device designed to show us the way towards the center of the Galaxy, a location that was not discovered by astronomers until 1917. In Earth Under Fire you will learn that the myths that have been passed down through the ages are not just simple stories or legends, but perhaps windows into the fate of our planet.
Join Dr. Paul LaViolette and host Johanna Lambert, as we explore our galactic neighborhood and reveal that the Earth is periodically visited by a celestial catastrophe. Whether it is recurrent cosmic explosions in our Galaxy or the discovery that major loss of life in Earth's past may have been caused by influxes of cosmic dust, Dr. Paul LaViolette's theories continue to gain ground in the scientific community. Like the Hollywood films Deep Impact and Armageddon, Earth Under Fire tackles the idea that there may be disasters from space that have shaped our past and will affect our future.

http://www.etheric.com/LaVioletteBooks/video-EUF.html


He talks about protecting the earth with scalar weaponry in the last part.

He never says "scalar" but you know thats what he is talking about....

Anyway worth a watch. Goes along with this vid -

"The Great Cross and the End of Time" -

http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=883

It's no longer on google video, so you'll have to watch it on "madthumbs" site.

Anyway these dudes think that this is really what 2012 is all about.

This would also coincide with the remote viewers "Kill Shot".

Still waiting on "2012 - The Odyssey". ;)

The elite THINK that they will rid themselves of "us" when these events take place, but we will see.....

Actually Lungold's (RIP) theories are more about the evolution of consciousness more than the galaxy aligning. He says that we have been evolving to that point (2012) since day one and everything that is happening is due to the evolution speeding up. He saw 2012 as a good thing and that we are evolving to become one consciousness and many at the same time. He literally thinks to do this we all must lose our minds, literally, because the mind is only a tool of the ego and when the ego is shattered in 2012, there will be no more need for the mind as all thought and communication will become instantanious. Watch his presentation, I for one think he's was onto something. Right at the moment according to Ian, we are living in the age of ethics, and if you don't believe that, just look around at all the crooks that are running this world and see how difficult it is becoming for them to operate freely. The next step is oneness, BRING IT ON!!!

[i am all i am]

I agree, we are that God that is (supposedly) hacking into the system. But it's the real us who we've forgotten we are, remember that! Therefore, do you believe that God is changing the system?

We as GOD / All THAT IS, are definitely changing the system. We do this all the time. Everything is in a state of constant change. Your body represents this. Each moment your hair is growing, your fingernails are growing, your skin cells are constantly being replaced. The totality of life, the macrocosm, is altered constantly by the continued change of the microcosm, the individual.

Neo: I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries, a world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

I believe that to truly change the system, we would follow this quote from The Matrix. By showing each and every individual of their true potential and reminding them of who they truly are. This would be a concious form of changing the system, or hacking into the system to change it. The change will be brought about by being an example of GOD / ALL THAT IS.

In summary, the system is always changing, but GOD / ALL THAT IS changes the system conciously as an example of who we truly are. So, yes to your question. And the more of us, GOD / ALL THAT IS, that wake up and be an example, the more the system will change.


With LOVE.

[i am all i am]

Can anybody tell me what can we do to just get out of the matrix and be alive? I've been reading this forum for awhile and it just seems that most are aware and talking but what to do? Who amongst you has the information that will tell us how to stop the matrix and be free?:confused:

Sigh... I don't know. I guess that's why I started this post. But honestly, I don't want to get out of the Matrix, because as another poster said, we are (kinda) choosing to be in this nightmare. So what I want is for the nightmare to change into a paradise, one in which we realise who we are (God, all that is) and in which we can explore creation.I want the end of polarity, of fear.

I have never been a subscriber to the idea that some will leave the Matrix, while others stay. It's all or nothing. I want everyone to win. And I know that doesn't make sense because all there is is God and we are it, but on a lower level we are seperate individual beings, and that's what I mean by 'I want everyone to win.'

I believe that you've got it Cleft Asunder. We are here for a purpose and we have chosen to be here to fulfill that purpose. We are here to experience 'who we truly are'. I also would love for everyone to 'make it', but free will determines that each individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS has a choice to 'make it' or not.

G'day Marguerite.
We aren't here to "stop the matrix". The matrix is merely a system that has been set up to control us. It isn't life itself. Only love creates, fear distorts, and as the system is based in fear, it is not that which created life. It is merely distorting life and our understanding of who we truly are.

To be free, choose it. You have free will. There is nothing that you have to do and no one can make you do anything. It's all choice.


With LOVE.

[cleft_asunder]

I believe that you've got it Cleft Asunder. We are here for a purpose and we have chosen to be here to fulfill that purpose. We are here to experience 'who we truly are'. I also would love for everyone to 'make it', but free will determines that each individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS has a choice to 'make it' or not.

G'day Marguerite.
We aren't here to "stop the matrix". The matrix is merely a system that has been set up to control us. It isn't life itself. Only love creates, fear distorts, and as the system is based in fear, it is not that which created life. It is merely distorting life and our understanding of who we truly are.

To be free, choose it. You have free will. There is nothing that you have to do and no one can make you do anything. It's all choice.


With LOVE.

Well written, and I agree with you. What you said about the Matrix distorting life is spot on. In a different iterpretation, you could say that Lucifer --the direct designer of the Matrix, God being the source of Lucifer-- can't sustain the Matrix by himself, because he isn't the source of life energy. He feeds of conciousness trapped inside the Matrix. In other words, he is as finite as God allows.

I know I'm talking in terms of seperateness, --God, lucifer, people, Matrix-- but I realise that everything is ONE. And that ONE is God. But I must talk in the language of seperatness because seperateness is the current reality. It is not the ULTIMATE reality, and that is why I started this thread. I would like this fear-based universe to change.

[limelady]

On the WE'RE MAKING THIS HAPPEN! / + a rant!!! thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20958#post20958 (see post 4,4 and 6) cleft asunder asked me to come over to the Is God hacking into the system? thread and further explain my views.

Well I wasn't sure if I was up to the challenge, but I've decided to give it a go anyway. Naturally, like all information, only accept it if it feels right to you - this is ONLY my own personal take.

O.K. Where to begin?

Well I see this place (what David calls the matrix, or our multi-faceted holographic illusion) as an energy recycling plant, set-up as a self-perpetuating (time-looped) program by 'something' which over time become diabolically evil and has hijacked Oneness to its own end.

It is my understanding that Oneness itself is not polarised (neither negative or positive - good or evil).... it JUST IS. I see our existence as a program set up by an aspect of Oneness that learnt how to create life, then realised it preferred the polarity of negativity (evil), and over time aligned itself with negativity completely... to the point where it now knows nothing else.

In so doing, in order to sustain itself and grow, it has created mini programs within programs from which to generate a diverse range of negative energy. Humans, birds, bees, cats, dogs, fish etc I see all life-forms in this reality, as manifestations of Oneness in the form of mini programs set up within the main frame of THE program. Please see my previous post 4 on the Good-Evil thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2204 for my take on the 'animal' programs.

What may have started out as merely 'creating' within and from Oneness, is now a negatively run program to sustain aspects of Oneness who have become negative to the point of being (in my opinion) utterly, utterly evil.

But I believe our 3D reality is only one aspect of a multidimensional program these 'negative aspects' maintain, and the etheric entities people refer to as reptilians, greys, demons (and the many other beings that have interacted with humans over the eons), I believe are all part of the same program.

They are ALL part of the matrix - some of them help control the matrix (and our existence within it), for which they are rewarded their share of negative energy (food), but they are NOT the original creator(s) of the matrix. Like us, they are its servants....perhaps higher up in the hierarchy, but none-the-less servants just as we are. As servants we are considered a power-supply to those who feed off us. In fact, to THEM, this is the sole reason for our existence.

As for 3D holographic reality we are currently experiencing.... or what we perceive as the 'here and now' on planet Earth? I believe it was terra-formed and supplied with life-forms by the negative creator(s). I call this energy (it or THEM) the TDO......The Diabolical One(s). Some may consider these beings as the "Luciferic energy". I believe they quite literally created the beginnings of life here and have been maintaining it ever since. I am not referring to the Annunaki who came much, much later and introduced themselves as God(s) to the already existing inhabitants. They too are merely part of the program.

For an over-view of how I believe life began here (well close enough), please see Lloyd Pye's website explaining his Intervention Theory, in particular his slide shows starting with the one titled In the beginning.
http://www.lloydpye.com/intervention.html (slide shows require flash)

The TDO(s) via their agents (the Reptilians etc), have been controlling the MAINFRAME program - including the programming of our DNA and the looping of what we perceive as time - since time (as we perveive it) began.

But I believe their time is fast running out

In another post I will try and explain my understanding of this further.

[cleft_asunder]

On the WE'RE MAKING THIS HAPPEN! / + a rant!!! thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20958#post20958 (see post 4,4 and 6) cleft asunder asked me to come over to the Is God hacking into the system? thread and further explain my views.

Well I wasn't sure if I was up to the challenge, but I've decided to give it a go anyway. Naturally, like all information, only accept it if it feels right to you - this is ONLY my own personal take.

O.K. Where to begin?

Well I see this place (what David calls the matrix, or our multi-faceted holographic illusion) as an energy recycling plant, set-up as a self-perpetuating (time-looped) program by 'something' which over time become diabolically evil and has hijacked Oneness to its own end.

It is my understanding that Oneness itself is not polarised (neither negative or positive - good or evil).... it JUST IS. I see our existence as a program set up by an aspect of Oneness that learnt how to create life, then realised it preferred the polarity of negativity (evil), and over time aligned itself with negativity completely... to the point where it now knows nothing else.

In so doing, in order to sustain itself and grow, it has created mini programs within programs from which to generate a diverse range of negative energy. Humans, birds, bees, cats, dogs, fish etc I see all life-forms in this reality, as manifestations of Oneness in the form of mini programs set up within the main frame of THE program. Please see my previous post 4 on the Good-Evil thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2204 for my take on the 'animal' programs.

What may have started out as merely 'creating' within and from Oneness, is now a negatively run program to sustain aspects of Oneness who have become negative to the point of being (in my opinion) utterly, utterly evil.

But I believe our 3D reality is only one aspect of a multidimensional program these 'negative aspects' maintain, and the etheric entities people refer to as reptilians, greys, demons (and the many other beings that have interacted with humans over the eons), I believe are all part of the same program.

They are ALL part of the matrix - some of them help control the matrix (and our existence within it), for which they are rewarded their share of negative energy (food), but they are NOT the original creator(s) of the matrix. Like us, they are its servants....perhaps higher up in the hierarchy, but none-the-less servants just as we are. As servants we are considered a power-supply to those who feed off us. In fact, to THEM, this is the sole reason for our existence.

As for 3D holographic reality we are currently experiencing.... or what we perceive as the 'here and now' on planet Earth? I believe it was terra-formed and supplied with life-forms by the negative creator(s). I call this energy (it or THEM) the TDO......The Diabolical One(s). Some may consider these beings as the "Luciferic energy". I believe they quite literally created the beginnings of life here and have been maintaining it ever since. I am not referring to the Annunaki who came much, much later and introduced themselves as God(s) to the already existing inhabitants. They too are merely part of the program.

For an over-view of how I believe life began here (well close enough), please see Lloyd Pye's website explaining his Intervention Theory, in particular his slide shows starting with the one titled In the beginning.
http://www.lloydpye.com/intervention.html (slide shows require flash)

The TDO(s) via their agents (the Reptilians etc), have been controlling the MAINFRAME program - including the programming of our DNA and the looping of what we perceive as time - since time (as we perveive it) began.

But I believe their time is fast running out

In another post I will try and explain my understanding of this further.

I agree almost 100% with what you're saying, and I'll check out those links. In the mean time, I look forward to your other post.;)

[whitenight639]

is it salvia leaf or salvia extract?
I used a 20x salvia extract and only took one big hit,and it was off to another reality.VERY scary in alot of ways and definitely not for the faint of heart.However like I said above its not an experience i would take back for anything and it sure did give me a new view on things,a view,I believe was just as valid or possibly more so than our 'normal' view of reality.It was an experience that will never dim in my memory.Since my first post on the subject I have been trying to put my experience down in words,it's not easy!,words are definitely limited in their ability to express these kinda things.If I can put it in coherent enough words I'll post my entire experience,but so far I'm not having much luck.

It is/was savia leaf, does it lose its potency if its left for ages? good luck with writing it down it is a profound experience.

[seamus]

Does anybody consider that "darkness" is perhaps only "evil" because we have projected our own fears and evils (those things we wish to keep unexposed to light - in darkness) onto it? Isn't darkness just as essential as light? If all was light you couldn't see my letters on the screen.

just a thought...

s

[marguerite]

I am enjoying a chemtrail free day, all windows open, here. I have been to Susanville but it was a long time ago on business. Is that mexican place called Josephina's still open? I had the best chili rellanos there.

[cleft_asunder]

I am enjoying a chemtrail free day, all windows open, here. I have been to Susanville but it was a long time ago on business. Is that mexican place called Josephina's still open? I had the best chili rellanos there.

Sounds familiar. I'll have to look. :)

[earthseed]

Does anybody consider that "darkness" is perhaps only "evil" because we have projected our own fears and evils (those things we wish to keep unexposed to light - in darkness) onto it? Isn't darkness just as essential as light? If all was light you couldn't see my letters on the screen.

just a thought...

s

We need integration this polarized consciousness is hell. To me that's what oneness is.

[marguerite]

I am moving on to a brighter reality, and more positive world. The Davis Icke forum just focuses way too much on the negative and in doing that you give it more and more power.

It is my personal opinion that one attacts to oneself what one focuses on.

Have a nice life.

Marguerite

[cleft_asunder]

I am moving on to a brighter reality, and more positive world. The Davis Icke forum just focuses way too much on the negative and in doing that you give it more and more power.

It is my personal opinion that one attacts to oneself what one focuses on.

Have a nice life.

Marguerite

We contemplate evil, which isn't the same as participating in it or focusing on it. We expose it, as we should. We live in a time where Evil is almost 100% in power, therefore it would be idiotic not to contemplate it. I tihnk the majority if not all people here talk about evil because they want the end of it, and therefore what they really focus on is the awakening of humanity to it's true nature (God), and the breaking down or changing of the Matrix that is supposedly coming. They might not post about it nearly as much, but that's their true passion. And the main point is that no one here talks about evil through fear. If they did, THAT is what gives it it's power. Contemplating evil weakens it if anything.

[shadow cat]

Hi, Cleft Asunder.....agree with you. For far too long the evil or dark side in all of us has been stuffed down, covered over, ignored etc all to our own detriment. The New Agers would have us holding hands, dancing in a circle perhaps singing love ditties with some awful glazed look in our eyes. Well I for one think it's time to give the dark side 'an airing' so to speak. Bring it out, give it a dust off, have a very good look at it, question it, and go give it a good old scrub up with strong detegent. Because we all have this side of our natures, and we have ( incorrectly as far as I'm concerned) been encouraged to ignore it, in a (what would the neighbours think?) sort of a way. We all harbour feelings we would consider to be from the dark side. Acknowledge them, question them, and if need be boot them out out of your existence....but don't just keep ignoring them...it could make you sick. Until all humans accept the reality of our existence with all it's shapes and colours (and dark side) there will be precious little advances in our collective consciousness. Time to do the dirty work...and keep in mind that the more light we bring into our lives, the more that same light can show up the 'dusty bits'. Lets do the work! and make it a better world.

[truthcommission]

The new age movement really has done more damage than most will ever see.
This is becoming more and more apparent.

I hinted at this in the post Is the LOA the Greatest Mind Control Scam? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2096)

[tonto o_reilly]

If only people would see that the new age movement was and still is simply a trap. Time to move on.......
Get em all off into la la fairy land and they will exist there, all the while we can reek havoc......

[truthcommission]

This is why organizations such as the CIA, Bilderberg's and the US Military frequent sites like this. They want to stay one step ahead of the game because they know that more and more people are waking up to their lies and mind control techniques.

[raphael]

this is the thing that get's me about 2012, to me it's just the second coming of christ re-invented, people are just happy to sit back and wait for it to happen, and in many circles, that's encouraged.

this is the thing I find hilarious about all the new age light wankers pseudo judeao/christians who have expropriated the HEATHEN MAYAN CALENDER and the date 2012.

Somebody tell those devil worshiping 2012 bandwagon judeao/christians hy-breds that what they are embracing is the MAYAN HEATHEN CALENDER.

Somebody remind those confused judeao/christian SHEEPLE that what they COVET is the MAYAN HEATHEN CALENDER that supposedly was dead and effectively buried by the crazy conquistadors waving crucifixes, killing 60+ million ameri-Indians and also torched their belief system by burning their sacred books.

Somebody tell those confused jesus-end-of-the-world-bible-babblers that their forefathers released them from Sun/Moon/Stellar worship.
That is why millions of HEATHENS died....remember?
Fuck, how soon the judeao/christian bible babblers forget reality, hiding from their guilt, connected to the sins of their forefathers who didn't like foreskins.
Somebody remind the the blithering fools of why they do the shit they do, not really knowing why they do what they do...because they are clearly fucking IGNORANT.
Somebody tell those fucking roaming roman/judeao/christian biblical hypocrites to go back home to Rome and back to worshiping their Gregorian Calender and all their stolen treasures, put on display, like Obelisks from Egypt.
Really why all the fuss about 2102 in North America?
Does not make sense.
Because MOST of the fuss is NOT being made by the Mayans BUT by the hy-bred newagejudeaochristians, formerly the roaming Romans.
To these folks, Dec. 25 2012 should just be another birthday party.
Yahoo....

What is about the END of the WORLD that brings out the best in the newagejudeaochristian chicken littles?
Why do they gravitate towards this kind of story?
What makes the newagejudeaochristians want to adopt ALL cultural narratives as their own?
What gives these wankers who love to assimilate other cultures/beliefs into their own, the right to twist the TRUTH into their twisted cultural image?
Eh?

Did all this DOGMA HELP create a Hitler too?
Being raised a Roman Catholic Christian and leading a gaggle of Judaeo/Christian Germans, goose-stepping through Europe, fulfilling some kind of biblical purpose?
Oy vey.

Will this Judeao/Christian crap ever end?
These holier-than-thou religious wackos go around committing atrocities against humanity and then they claim humanity will go to HELL unless we join their fucking team?
Is the world fucking MAD?

It never really goes away this christian horde, the MOB, they just morph into another force that sees themselves as holier-than-thou righteous cleansers who like to use FIRE ... :mad:

namaste

[danceswithbunnies]

I've been thinking a lot about the below quotes. There is one particular part when Icke takes mushrooms and the voice --which he says is himself talking to himself-- says that the One never intended nature and the universe to be as it is. Nature, while beautiful, at it's heart is about survival and fear, one species tearing appart another. The Native Americans view it as the circle of life but I view it as the circle of death. When you see things such as this nature system, you wonder about the creator. Is this really the personality of the creator? I think not. I think nature is the best indicator as to who is running the show: Fear, Lucifer, Matrix mind, whatever you want to call it.


In "Reason For God" Timothy Keller proposes that God has hacked the system..by sending Christ.

( i am not asking that you accept this view, i just want to expound on it because i found it very interesting..i am not sure i buy it myself, but it is intriguing nontheless)

Just assume for a minute that god is the author of creation, and stands outside of it..outisde of space time.


think of someone who creates something, say a work of art...like Shakespeare or a painter like Van Gogh..they are outside what they created.

Say a person was embedded in the play or a painting..
How would the creator make those actors or subjects in the painting aware of his/her presence?
By writing him/herself into the play as a character?
By painting him/herself into the painting as a subject?

Keller goes on to argue that that is what God has done with Christ and the Bible...he has hacked the matrix.

I thought that was an interesting point of view..
He has many of those in the book.

[raphael]

In "Reason For God" Timothy Keller proposes that God has hacked the system..by sending Christ.



really?
can we start with the basics?

EWE got proof of a Christ?
I can direct EWE to a thread, nearly 300 pages, we still await proof.
EWE got any?
here we go again eh?

namaste

[danceswithbunnies]

This is becoming more and more apparent.

I hinted at this in the post Is the LOA the Greatest Mind Control Scam? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2096)

Any more info you have on this would be deeply appreciated.

Ignoring the "bad" by 'shifting to a better feeling thought' doesn't make it go away, it just delays dealing with it doesn't it?
Isn't that a kind of repression?

I have seen LOA work in amazing ways..but not the way they say..as in feeling only good emotions, for some reason it workd for me if i am totally detached or forget about it.

[danceswithbunnies]

really?
can we start with the basics?

EWE got proof of a Christ?
I can direct EWE to a thread, nearly 300 pages, we still await proof.
EWE got any?
here we go again eh?

namaste

Calm down Raphael...why do you always seem compelled to be so snide and condescending?


If you actually read the post...you would see that i said i am not sure i buy it but found the idea intriguing..

Or aren't we allowed to find ideas intriguing that lie outside your pre-approved focus?

[raphael]

Calm down Raphael...why do you always seem compelled to be so snide and condescending?


If you actually read the post...you would see that i said i am not sure i buy it but found the idea intriguing..

Or aren't we allowed to find ideas intriguing that lie outside your pre-approved focus?

yes that is correct.
YOU ARE IGNORANT

simple formula:
IF you are not part of the solution, ewe are part of the problem... ;)

And you are part of the problem 'dancies with lucifer'.
Something I already identified about ewe, on the prove jesus exists thread.

namaste

[danceswithbunnies]

yes that is correct.
YOU ARE IGNORANT

simple formula:
IF you are not part of the solution, ewe are part of the problem... ;)

And you are part of the problem 'dancies with lucifer'.
Something I already identified about ewe, on the prove jesus exists thread.

namaste

there, there honey...tell us who touched you in the BAD place..we will make it all better...'kay?

[raphael]

there, there honey...tell us who touched you in the BAD place..we will make it all better...'kay?

your god called satan, santa, jesus, whatever you have twisted it into, rubs me raw.

namaste

[danceswithbunnies]

your god called satan, santa, jesus, whatever you have twisted it into, rubs me raw.

namaste

ah see there is your problem.
...go put a poultice on it
and then join me in the worship of the great cosmic bunny,
who popped out the universes like a bunch of cecal.

[raphael]

ah see there is your problem.
...go put a poultice on it
and then join me in the worship of the great cosmic bunny,
who popped out the universes like a bunch of cecal.

silly wabbit

religious parlor tricks are for kids and sheeple like ewe...