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baron von lotsov
10-03-2008, 05:10 PM
Here is a little something I picked up today.


As for not getting any "nasties" in it. British farmers and millers have to operate to some very high standards and as such the chances of having any rogue elements in your daily loaf of bread are slim to none, compared to organic grain that is high in mycotoxins and usually contaminated with ergot, a poisonous fungal infection of grain. So forgive me if I don't take Mr Whitley up on his offer of sharing his loaves of bread. I think I'll distil mine and make some alcohol instead.
Phil , Norwich, Norfolk

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7284011.stm


Mycotoxin (from the Greek μύκης (mykes, mukos) "fungus") is a toxin produced by an organism of the fungus kingdom, which includes mushrooms, molds and yeasts. Most fungi are aerobic (use oxygen). Fungi are found almost everywhere in extremely small quantities because of their spores, and are most commonly microscopically small. They consume organic matter, wherever humidity and temperature are sufficient.

Where conditions are right, fungi proliferate into colonies and mycotoxin levels become high. Toxins vary greatly in their severity. Some fungi produce severe toxins only at specific levels of moisture, temperature or oxygen in the air. Some toxins are lethal, some cause identifiable diseases or health problems, some weaken the immune system without producing symptoms specific to that toxin, some act as allergens or irritants, and some have no known effect on humans. Some mycotoxins generally have more negative impacts on farm animal populations than on humans. Some mycotoxins are harmful to other micro-organisms such as other fungi or even bacteria; penicillin is one example.

Mycotoxins can appear in the food chain as a result of fungal infection of crops, either by being eaten directly by humans, or by being used as livestock feed. Mycotoxins greatly resist decomposition or being broken down in digestion, so they remain in the food chain in meat and dairy products. Even temperature treatments, such as cooking and freezing, do not destroy mycotoxins.

Buildings are another source of mycotoxins. Public concern over mycotoxins increased following multi-million dollar toxic mold settlements in the 1990s. The negative health effects of mycotoxins are a function of the concentration, the duration of exposure and the subject's sensitivities. The concentrations experienced in a normal home, office or school are often too low to trigger a health response in occupants.

Food-based mycotoxins were studied extensively worldwide throughout the 20th century. In Europe, statutory levels of a range of mycotoxins permitted in food and animal feed are set by a range of European directives and Commission regulations.

Various wild mushrooms also contain an assortment of mycotoxins that can cause noteworthy health problems for humans who eat wild mushrooms without first properly identifying the specimens as safe edibles, in such cases sometimes causing mild to catastrophic mushroom poisoning. The bulk of this article, however, is about mycotoxins that are found in fungi other than mushrooms.

Mycotoxin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This might explain the New Ager's allergies to wheat. It is quite prolific in this Tavistock colony that I live in.

thetonic
10-03-2008, 05:51 PM
Here is a little something I picked up today.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7284011.stm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycotoxin


This might explain the New Ager's allergies to wheat. It is quite prolific in this Tavistock colony that I live in.

That article seemed pro personal farming but the quote you listed seems to be fearmongering people away from organic foods... Of course there is molds and fungus in the air at all times , in your breath right now.. I think peoples food alergies with wheat is more likely due to new pesticides/ genetically modified foods..

baron von lotsov
10-03-2008, 06:02 PM
That seems like fearmongering people away from organic foods... Of course there is molds and fungus in the air at all times , in your breath right now.. I think peoples food alergies with wheat is more likely due to new pesticides/ genetically modified foods..


I didn't see it as that, I saw it as from someone who appears to be in the business and knows what goes on. This is the closest we are likely to get to the truth as you know how the men in white coats get paid on the number of lies they tell.

Another indicator that something is wrong comes from something that I read a long while back. It was from this guy who was into milling wheat and he was pretty much an expert in it and ran a few small traditional mills, much like you get microbreweries and that sort of thing. He was quite clear that the brown stuff in brown bread was a kind of toxin of sorts, something that normally gets refined out as it gives the bread a bitter taste and is not good for you. It's exactly the shit that the marketers call wholemeal and the government and establishment in general have been pushing for a long time as a health food. I have never seen this mentioned anywhere else but this man appeared to have a lifetime's experience in the trade and was totally independent and explained it how it is. I'm not sure a lot of people would have the guts to say this based on what the scientists say but he was not being political. I wonder if anyone else has heard anything regarding this matter.

2013
10-03-2008, 11:37 PM
Ergot gives an L.S.D type effect when eaten , bernadette of lourds fame 's father was a baker !! interesting :D

lookfar
10-03-2008, 11:44 PM
Ergot gives an L.S.D type effect when eaten

Yeah I thought that too & was just gonna post it :)

2013
10-03-2008, 11:56 PM
Yeah I thought that too & was just gonna post it :)

Flashback anyone lol :D:eek::cool:

mad as a cat
11-03-2008, 12:19 AM
Read up on what Dr. Robert O. Young has to say about mycotoxins.;)

Anders Lindman
11-03-2008, 08:19 AM
Gross! I think I will have to boost my immune system. I don't like to be afraid of such tiny things as microscopic stuff. ;)