fingerpriting in pubs??

[deanjames]

The government is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.

Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holes is being used as the showcase.

"The Home Office have looked at our system and are looking at trials in other towns including Coventry, Hull & Sheffield," said Julia Bradburn, principal licensing manager at South Somerset District Council.

Gwent and Nottingham police have also shown an interest, while Taunton, a town neighbouring Yeovil, is discussing the installation of fingerprint systems in 10 pubs and clubs with the systems supplier CreativeCode.

Bradburn could not say if fingerprint security in Yeovil had displaced crime to neighbouring towns, but she noted that domestic violence had risen in Yeovil. She could not give more details until the publication of national crime statistics to coincide with the anniversary of lax pub licensing laws on 24 November.

She was, however, able to say that alcohol-related crime had reduced by 48 per cent Yeovil between February and September 2006.

The council had assumed it was its duty under the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) to reduce drunken disorder by fingerprinting drinkers in the town centre.

Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only £1.50 a day to run.

Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked.

Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders.

She said there had been only been two "major" instances of alcohol-related crime reported in Yeovil pubs and clubs since February. One was a sexual assault in a club toilet.

The other occurred last Friday when an under-18 Disco at Dukes nightclub got out of hand after the youngsters had obtained some alcohol from elsewhere. A fight between two youngsters escalated into a brawl involving 435 12 to 16 year olds

A major incident is when 15 police attend the scene, said Bradburn. She was unable to say how many minor incidents there had been, but acknowledged that fights were still occurring in the streets of Yeovil.

The Home Office paid for Yeovil's system in full, with £6,000 of Safer, Stronger Communities funding.

Bradburn said the Home Office had paid her scheme a visit and subsequently decided to fund similar systems in Coventry, Hull and Sheffield.

The Home Office distanced itself from the plans. It said it provided funding to Safer, Stronger Communities through the Department for Communities and Local Government's Local Area Agreements. How they spent the money was a local decision, said a HO spokeswoman. ®




what do people think of this is think its awfull

[lookfar]

That's absolutely crap!:mad: If they expect us to give fingerprints before entering pubs, then I'll just not enter them - EVER, simple as that :rolleyes: They bring in the 24hour drinking permit & then want to take your personal ID for the priviledge, ha, don't think so somehow!:p Totalitarian tiptoe anyone???:rolleyes:

Thanks for sharing deanjames :)

[deanjames]

That's absolutely crap!:mad: If they expect us to give fingerprints before entering pubs, then I'll just not enter them - EVER, simple as that :rolleyes: They bring in the 24hour drinking permit & then want to take your personal ID for the priviledge, ha, don't think so somehow!:p Totalitarian tiptoe anyone???:rolleyes:

Thanks for sharing deanjames :)

No worries was reading it in the paper the other night, was disgusted.

Seems like a stepping stone to get people use the governments having personal details about them this might be the stepping stone to id cards" then after id cards the micro chipping. All these new rules that they are enforcing to " make us feel safer, to cut down anti social behaviour, for the greater good" such as smoking cards and now this fingerprinting is making me sick lately its more and more around us, all because of the 7/7 attacks and 9/11. People are being treated like criminals, for the so called safety of the country.

There trying to consciously shape peoples so there opinions that will look like this

“ why should we have id cards, it will stop terrorists, and it will be a easier way of identification”

“Micro chipping is good because look at circumstance like Madeline McCann and other kids going missing at the moment, if she was micro chipped she wouldn’t of went missing think of the poor parents, the dogs micro chipped”

I have realised lately after doing my presentation of how much people live in a bubble and the only way to put it is that they just live. I feel that the younger generation, aha I sound old am only 20 need to be awakened about all this’s going on. Fair enough Ickes opinions of reptilians are a bit far fetched I believe in it personally. But more people need to look at the events that happen around us and the lead up to big decisions. I think 70% of the population just can’t be bothered.

I would like to ask the question to parliament, what is the purpose of having everyone’s fingerprints on record or id cards. They don’t need them. Its another way of shutting down our freedom, an treating the "normal" people of “society" like those that murder people its absolute bollix.

I was disgusted the other day when talking to my girlfriend, and she told me that before getting off the plane in Orlando she had to be fingerprinted, then say why she was entering the country for and fill out forms, and these forms had to be 100% correct or could lead to prosecution.

Then at the Disney land resort they had swipe cards to get into certain areas,
But if a swipe card was forgotten they would use there fingerprint to gain access.

I would also like to know where are the prints from these pubs and resorts going to?

Are they for the "greater good" they claim to be for?. Or is it a way for these governments to stamp down on us even more. We elect mps to serve us, they should be fearful of use not, not us of them.

Also I heard the other day British people aren’t going to be aloud to vote weither we want to become a member of the EU or not.

Its bollocks it really is. I say fuck it

[deanjames]

"Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only £1.50 a day to run"

BRIBE

"Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked"

WTF SO THEY HAVE TO COMPLY

"Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders"

SO THEY ARE ALL LINKED,

[paganus]

all i can say,if this is a plan to establish a data base,is they've shot themselves in the foot by banning smoking in pubs!:D

[hagbard_celine]

It'll be fun! :DLike America during the Prohibition years. I'll never allow some bouncer to take my dabs, so illegal pubs may be the only place I can have a pint.

[thetonic]

If someone tries to fingerprint on entering a pub, I won't go in. I think this will effect business for the pubs.

I can see secret pubs opening up where none of these ridiculous rules apply.

Secret pubs and clubs? A new branch of Freemasonry perhaps?.. This is why secret societies form. Because peoples freedoms are limited... and also if you drink blood and that sort of thing;)

[weston white]

Bloody's Secret Pub, that even has a nice ring to it!

[adzboarder]

Hang on a minute, deja vu anyone? the damn spectre of terrorism mentioned once again....

Originally Posted by adzboarder
...and any self-respecting terrorist can go along to the home office and get himself an ID card and then go to an airport, check in with said ID card and blow the place up anyway. This is no detterent against terrorism.

In fact, I will tell the government precisely how to stop terrorism and that is by asking Mi5 to stop planting bombs.

The fucking ID card SCANDAL is playing with our minds at the moment isn't it!

[steevo]

The government is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.

Funding is being offered to councils that want to have their pubs keep a regional black list of known trouble makers. The fingerprint network installed in February by South Somerset District Council in Yeovil drinking holes is being used as the showcase.

"The Home Office have looked at our system and are looking at trials in other towns including Coventry, Hull & Sheffield," said Julia Bradburn, principal licensing manager at South Somerset District Council.

Gwent and Nottingham police have also shown an interest, while Taunton, a town neighbouring Yeovil, is discussing the installation of fingerprint systems in 10 pubs and clubs with the systems supplier CreativeCode.

Bradburn could not say if fingerprint security in Yeovil had displaced crime to neighbouring towns, but she noted that domestic violence had risen in Yeovil. She could not give more details until the publication of national crime statistics to coincide with the anniversary of lax pub licensing laws on 24 November.

She was, however, able to say that alcohol-related crime had reduced by 48 per cent Yeovil between February and September 2006.

The council had assumed it was its duty under the Crime and Disorder Act (1998) to reduce drunken disorder by fingerprinting drinkers in the town centre.

Some licensees were not happy to have their punters fingerprinted, but are all now apparently behind the idea. Not only does the council let them open later if they join the scheme, but the system costs them only £1.50 a day to run.

Oh, and they are also coerced into taking the fingerprint system. New licences stipulate that a landlord who doesn't install fingerprint security and fails to show a "considerable" reduction in alcohol-related violence, will be put on report by the police and have their licences revoked.

Offenders can be banned from one pub or all of them for a specified time - usually a period of months - by a committee of landlords and police called Pub Watch. Their offences are recorded against their names in the fingerprint system. Bradburn noted the system had a "psychological effect" on offenders.

She said there had been only been two "major" instances of alcohol-related crime reported in Yeovil pubs and clubs since February. One was a sexual assault in a club toilet.

The other occurred last Friday when an under-18 Disco at Dukes nightclub got out of hand after the youngsters had obtained some alcohol from elsewhere. A fight between two youngsters escalated into a brawl involving 435 12 to 16 year olds

A major incident is when 15 police attend the scene, said Bradburn. She was unable to say how many minor incidents there had been, but acknowledged that fights were still occurring in the streets of Yeovil.

The Home Office paid for Yeovil's system in full, with £6,000 of Safer, Stronger Communities funding.

Bradburn said the Home Office had paid her scheme a visit and subsequently decided to fund similar systems in Coventry, Hull and Sheffield.

The Home Office distanced itself from the plans. It said it provided funding to Safer, Stronger Communities through the Department for Communities and Local Government's Local Area Agreements. How they spent the money was a local decision, said a HO spokeswoman. ®




what do people think of this is think its awfull

Is there a link to this ?

[angelicangel]

It'll be fun! :DLike America during the Prohibition years. I'll never allow some bouncer to take my dabs, so illegal pubs may be the only place I can have a pint.
Well said HC back to the prohibition days, we are stopped smoking in pubs, now the finger printing, what next? Shoe sizes, collar size and size of dresses or trousers. What happened to the freedom we had in the past, things went far smoothly than they do today:)

[danucrom]

If a pub demands your fingerprints don't go there , quite simple really. Sadly given the braindead nature of many people today there will be many who will give up their right to privacy in a heartbeat.

[deanjames]

Is there a link to this ?

yeah google fingerprinting in pubs!

think it was in the guiardian

[adzboarder]

If a pub demands your fingerprints don't go there , quite simple really. Sadly given the braindead nature of many people today there will be many who will give up their right to privacy in a heartbeat.

Anything for a beer, brain-dead morons...

[hagbard_celine]

Well said HC back to the prohibition days, we are stopped smoking in pubs, now the finger printing, what next? Shoe sizes, collar size and size of dresses or trousers. What happened to the freedom we had in the past, things went far smoothly than they do today:)

I remember in the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, the different genetically-engineered categories of people were identified by dress code; each one wore a different colour.

Pubs are already in serious trouble because of the smoking ban and now this! The govt also are putting up VAT on booze so that it will be more expensive to drink out. Predictably its the freehouses and small country pubs that are suffering while the big breweries and multinational chains are AOK. It's another attack on ridependant rural communities and small businesses!:mad:

[geronimo]

I remember in the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, the different genetically-engineered categories of people were identified by dress code; each one wore a different colour.

Pubs are already in serious trouble because of the smoking ban and now this! The govt also are putting up VAT on booze so that it will be more expensive to drink out. Predictably its the freehouses and small country pubs that are suffering while the big breweries and multinational chains are AOK. It's another attack on ridependant rural communities and small businesses!:mad:

Also, strong beers are due for a price hike to 'protect us' from 'feral youths' while increasing the burden on legitimate consumers. So, enjoy your beer at your non-smoking pub, while your fingerprints are taken, naturally. What's next? labels on booze specifying alcohol units and 'safe' daily intake? probably. Labels on diet pepsi warning of brain damage from aspartame? not any time soon.

geronimo

[steevo]

I remember in the book Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, the different genetically-engineered categories of people were identified by dress code; each one wore a different colour.

Pubs are already in serious trouble because of the smoking ban and now this! The govt also are putting up VAT on booze so that it will be more expensive to drink out. Predictably its the freehouses and small country pubs that are suffering while the big breweries and multinational chains are AOK. It's another attack on ridependant rural communities and small businesses!:mad:

I think that they definitely want ALL small business' to go bust. For their cashless society to function in the way they want it, ALL "business'" would have to be owned by the powers that be, and that would mean EVERYBODY except the chosen few would be slaves to the system with no hope of EVER being able to work for yourself. The only way out would be to be a police officer or in the army (same thing).
We will all be wearing the same clothes like it used to be in China.

[angelicangel]

I think that they definitely want ALL small business' to go bust. For their cashless society to function in the way they want it, ALL "business'" would have to be owned by the powers that be, and that would mean EVERYBODY except the chosen few would be slaves to the system with no hope of EVER being able to work for yourself. The only way out would be to be a police officer or in the army (same thing).
We will all be wearing the same clothes like it used to be in China.

I totally agree with what you are saying. A lot of small buisnesses have started to close around by where we live. With all the over priced items and smoking bans, have driven a lot of people away. Years ago everything worked smoothly and no one complained about anything. Why oh why in this time when we are suppose to be liberated,do we have to put up with this rubbish. Ok stop smoking in food areas, but years ago in public houses they used to have one room which was called the Smoking room, same too in Stately homes, the men would retire to the Smoking room after their dinner. What have we got, the cold pavement, or sitting under a canopy that you wouldn't let your dog out in on a cold winters night.:)

[adzboarder]

I think that they definitely want ALL small business' to go bust. For their cashless society to function in the way they want it, ALL "business'" would have to be owned by the powers that be, and that would mean EVERYBODY except the chosen few would be slaves to the system with no hope of EVER being able to work for yourself. The only way out would be to be a police officer or in the army (same thing).
We will all be wearing the same clothes like it used to be in China.

Granted Steevo, my local pub is so close to the bone, the smoking ban was the final nail in the seemingly inevitable coffin. What a shame that a beautiful country pub has to close as it's no longer profitable and haemorraging money at a startling rate.

I guess this all fits in with the NWO, the only pubs that will survive are the big chains, Wetherspoons, Beefeater etc based on the buy in bulk, maximise profits system. Single independent pubs just cant compete any more as they are slashing prices in these high street bars so they get doubley fucked.

I think we are just going to see the generic, empty souless chain boozers surviving this one. Chris Evans mentioned this on the Timesonline website earlier saying his pubs are taking a major hit.

I was wandering around in Camden a couple of nights ago and it's just the same old shit, the same as any other high street, Starbucks, Costas, McDonalds, Pizza hut these are the only ones who are going to survive, the big corporates, the very same wankers who will support fingerprinting in pubs, cashless society and regulated drinking and allowances.

The NWO is winning this one as pubs are rapidly going out of business, pushing yet more willing punters to the corporates.

[deanjames]

Ah It Bollox

[deanjames]

As bad taking in passive smoke is. Maybe the smoking ban, is a way to play with peoples minds power/control kind of thing, all these new theories about pubs/ drinking ect are driving me crazy. Ive been challenging people latly asking them questions such as,

why are we at war with iraq how come major oil companies have been aloud investments of oil in iraq? When we dont legally own it they wanted to build a pipe line. Why are we still even at war ?. Why when diana died was there no conclusive evidence and why were all the cameras off a how come the car hit the 13th pillar? Why did the world trade centre fall the way it did and why didnt the planes get pick up on radar. What do you think of finger printing/ microchip.


And i can honestly say all the answers, were identical, answers that they can be given from news/ goverment to be true. ( ALL FOR THE GREATER) no one care about freedom. No one challenges anything its to easy to just go on living life.

I feel real sorry for the younger population latly i have noticed a increase in a lot of the nwo moment stuff and major changes in the law that they want.

My lil sister is 12 and i try to talk to her about whats going on and she thinks im mad. As does everyone. My girlfriend is starting to belive little things.

Did anyone watch the news earlier gordon brown answering questions from kids. Made me sick.

There was footage of a protest about the vietnam war in trafalgar square and it was huge, it made me think that would not happen today. Kinnda put me down.- this was on twatty and judy.

I saw Brain Haw the peace protester the other week, really wanted to say something to him- bet little gestures make it fell that lil bit more worth it.
:(


Ah of subject had my return to work today i was off cause my girlfriend was upset about something that i wont go into, and he asked if we were married and i said no. Then asked how long we been together and i said to years, he replied well because your not married im going to have to disiplinary you. And i was like why and he said because your not close family. so i came out with some if we were married it would make a difference and he replied yeah so i went off on one about religion ect. in the end i got the warning - WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK ON THIS MATTER.