Is "Love" Over-rated?

[mountain]

Why does it seem like love is an emotion that is taboo, or over-rated...When it is expressed it is often oppressed. Hmmm... I wonder why?!:):)

[razed1]

maybe your perception of LOVE is not really what love is or was meant to be when written about throughout the ages


one of the trickes of this illuminati is to give us FALSE images of different things, love, anger, evil etc


its their job to confuse the real truth

[adramelech]

Love is a chemical in your brain.

Oxytocin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*commence New Age lovefest flaming*

[astralburger]

Though even more fleeting, I still prefer the orgasm button.

[shodan]

Love is a many splendoured thing

Love is a many splintered thing


when everyone remembers the true meaning of Love then the world will heal.


'When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace'. Jimi Hendrix

[akujin]

Love is beyond an emotion, it is above chemicals. You can call that addiction for romance/partnership/enjoyment a love, but it's more a fullfillment of an addiction.

Love is a kind of truth, the knowing that you are not different from anything, that you are other people and other things as much as you are yourself, and the appreciation/gratitude of such.

Love is more about connection and unity, then about material possesions.

[megafish33]

Love(assuming we're referring to a very romantic form of love here) is the most overrated physiochemical-spiritual thing we do. But if we can enjoy "overrated" pleasures such as true love that why live? Love, in and of itself, can be the spice of life-if you want it to be. :)

[williammac]

because it's a silly fickle feeling just like all of those other silly fickle feelings.

[astralburger]

because it's a silly fickle feeling just like all of those other silly fickle feelings.

There's no consciousness without emotions.

I wish it weren't true either.

[weston white]

Love is like a sweet juicy organic fruit, once you have one you just have to have another, and another, and another, and are you starting to see the picture here... ;)

[zarah]

Oh, I love love. :D

Being in love tends to compel you to see love in other places. When my fiance and I started falling in love (me first, Im always moe impatient) the whole world seemed more vivid and we wanted everyone to be as happy as us.

[armoured_amazon]

Why does it seem like love is an emotion that is taboo, or over-rated...When it is expressed it is often oppressed. Hmmm... I wonder why?!:):)

Love is the very being of God and people can't STAND Him, that's why.

[optimus pigpot]

Love is the very being of God and people can't STAND Him, that's why.

Love has nothing to do with god and you obviously no nothing about it either.

[armoured_amazon]

Love has nothing to do with god and you obviously no nothing about it either.

Here he comes! The bearer of all knowledge!

Pray tell, what is Love? You certainly know, as you come across as such a loving person.

eta: In fact, forget it. I don't want to even pay you any more attention today.

[bradko2001]

Love is the very being of God and people can't STAND Him, that's why.
That sounds lik the truth.They have suppressed memories huntin them in the closet.

[bradko2001]

Because love is whats in or gettin in U.Its an matter of wanting it to leave or let it be.ignoramous , brainless people often need love.

[holsisyolswa]

HEH. just cracks me up, when u understand love and you read these posts of ones perception of LOVE.
HEH X 2


Here is .
LOVE and teh DESIGN OF LOVE

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSh9_kIbX0

does this help?

Holsis

[holsisyolswa]

btw ill clear up something now. THIS IS NOT AN IDOL.

she is the portal. the 1 and only portal on earth. ever. OK!.

exposes everything so u may gain an understanding.


remember reading or spamming some bullshit on this forums about 3 years ago about a PORTAL opening?

well . this is it.

some just gave up. some just got to seperated with there own delusions of self and systems of the mind. they gave up also.



fools. arnt we all.

[thirdwave]

btw ill clear up something now. THIS IS NOT AN IDOL.

she is the portal. the 1 and only portal on earth. ever. OK!.

exposes everything so u may gain an understanding.


remember reading or spamming some bullshit on this forums about 3 years ago about a PORTAL opening?

well . this is it.

some just gave up. some just got to seperated with there own delusions of self and systems of the mind. they gave up also.



fools. arnt we all.

I have to say IMO, I don't think she is genuine.

[holsisyolswa]

care to expand.

define genuine.

she as in the girl. "winged"

she as in the "portal" tool ?

she as in any of the manifestations? "everything"

she as in the "design of?" systems

she as in the "afterlife of beings from earth" "humans"

explain which 1? there are many. over 900+ infact. in 3 years. so.....

[holsisyolswa]

btw. i must ask. DID you watch the video on love?

are you defending love. and do you have a vested interest in love?

of course you do. SO DO I.

there for we are BIAS. so.. remove that part and look again.

[Anders Lindman]

In a way the whole System is based on people suffering and being pushed down. In that way, people can be more easily controlled, but it's a top-down hierarchical form of primitive obedience control. Love would be a much more powerful form of control. My guess is that love will increase because it's a smarter and more inclusive and comprehensive form of control. Power-over only works for simple and rigid structures. The world is becoming more and more complex and controlling the whole shebang using fear-based manipulation will sooner or later break down. :cool:

[rossus]

Love is beyond an emotion, it is above chemicals. You can call that addiction for romance/partnership/enjoyment a love, but it's more a fullfillment of an addiction.

Love is a kind of truth, the knowing that you are not different from anything, that you are other people and other things as much as you are yourself, and the appreciation/gratitude of such.

Love is more about connection and unity, then about material possesions.
yes!

love is quite easy to recognize,
it does not give you anything, no material wealth, no pleasure... it does not even take away pain.

but it fill your heart, makes you complete.
and so when there is no wealth, no pleasure and even the presence of pain...

love make you feel blissfully happy inside!

[Anders Lindman]

Unconditional love is the inteconnectedness of all things. Conditional love, or special love as some New Agers call it, is love between two 'systems'. Both are needed. When unconditional love becomes focused on the particular it becomes special love. Unconditional love is like pure light, but if that light couldn't be focused or directed there would be no experiences.

[Anders Lindman]

Unconditional love, do you want to know what it is? Unconditional love is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the force that leads you to the truth.

[freeworld]

My Definition on Love:

If you new that the person you loved was going to die and you were given the choice that if you were to take his/her place then they would live and automatically said ok - Then that to me is Love.

It is the only way i can define it ;)

[Anders Lindman]

My Definition on Love:

If you new that the person you loved was going to die and you were given the choice that if you were to take his/her place then they would live and automatically said ok - Then that to me is Love.

It is the only way i can define it ;)

Love is a resonance, no? A relationship. Would you demand that the person you loved would sacrifice his/her life to save your life? If not, then the other person would not love you? :confused:

[magna_carta]

I love my dog.

[freeworld]

Love is a resonance, no? A relationship. Would you demand that the person you loved would sacrifice his/her life to save your life? If not, then the other person would not love you? :confused:

It's just the only way i can define it, i have only ever really been in love once and she is now my X partner, we broken up 5 years ago but i still love her ( I can't stand her though lol ) but i would still do anything for her! Love to me never really dies!

[holsisyolswa]

aparently. ( because i asked about unconditional love then. if not love )

aparently


NOT 1 SINGLE HUMAN BEING HAS EVER EXPEREINCED IT.

THAT MIGHT GO FOR ALL BEINGS ALSO. (dont quote me on this part)

[Anders Lindman]

It's just the only way i can define it, i have only ever really been in love once and she is now my X partner, we broken up 5 years ago but i still love her ( I can't stand her though lol ) but i would still do anything for her! Love to me never really dies!

Sure, it may be false to find a 'general' definition of love. Individual choice and freedom. :cool: It would be horrible if some expert with a Ph.D. in Love would decide for everbody what love is. :D

[2013]

LOVE
IS .

[lydia78]

LOVE
IS .

Perfect :);)

[cloudgazer]

Why does it seem like love is an emotion that is taboo, or over-rated...When it is expressed it is often oppressed. Hmmm... I wonder why?!:):)

Because love is the solution to everyone problem and T.H.E.Y (the hierarchy enslaving you) wants problems!

Also I like that too 2013 "Love is." :D

[bigus_dickus]

Philosophy of Love (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm)

Table of Contents (Clicking on the links below will take you to those parts of this article)

1. Introduction (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H1)
2. The Nature of Love: Eros, Philia, and Agape (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H2)
a. Eros (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#SH2a)
b. Philia (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#SH2b)
c. Agape (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#SH2c)
3. The Nature of Love: further conceptual considerations (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H3)
4. The Nature of Love: Romantic Love (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H4)
5. The Nature of Love: Physical, emotional, spiritual (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H5)
6. Love: Ethics and Politics (http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H6)

-----excerpt-----

1. Introduction

The philosophical treatment of love transcends a variety of sub-disciplines including epistemology, metaphysics, religion, human nature, politics and ethics. Often statements or arguments concerning love, its nature and role in human life for example, connect to one or all the central theories of philosophy, and is often compared with, or examined in the context of, the philosophies of sex and gender. The task of a philosophy of love is to present the appropriate issues in a cogent manner, drawing on relevant theories of human nature, desire, ethics, and so on. This brief introduction examines the nature of love and some of the ethical and political ramifications.

-----excerpt-----

(please read it)

[cloudgazer]

I have to say IMO, I don't think she is genuine.

I have to agree with him on this, holsisyawa, After she sniffed in the air really hard a couple of times, and she was saying she was the design of love, she said something else it sounded like she said something about being a demon. I'm sure I misheard what she said (but I still take this as a sign), but honestly, I didn't get good vibes from her at all, either.

Someone tells you that saying Love is an "evil" thing? bah. that sounds ridiculous to me. Demons are funny that way, because they're weak and try to confuse people. At some point they will realize Love tho, then they won't be "demons" anymore.

[rossus]

Were it so [that we love only ourselves], it would be splendid! Love your self wisely and you will reach the summit of perfection. Everybody loves his body, but few love their real being. Your real being is love itself, and your many loves are its reflections according to the situation at the moment. (483)

That which you are, your true self, you love it, and whatever you do, you do for your own happiness. To find it, to know it, to cherish it is you basic urge. Be true to your own self, love your self absolutely. Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless you have realized them as one with yourself, you cannot love them. Don't pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you are. Your love of others is the result of self-knowledge, not its cause. Without self-realization, no virtue is genuine. When you know beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and you are that life, you will love all naturally and spontaneously.
When you realize the depth and fullness of your love of yourself, you know that every living being and the entire universe are included in your affection. But when you look at anything as separate from you, you cannot love it for you are afraid of it. Alienation causes fear, and fear deepens alienation. It is a vicious circle. Only self-realization can break it. (213)

Love is not selective, desire is selective. In love there are no strangers. (511)

Once you are in it [true awareness], you will find that you love what you see, whatever may be its nature. This choiceless love is the touchstone of awareness. If it is not there, you are merely interested, for some personal reasons. (382)

In dream you love some and not others. On waking up you find you are love itself, embracing all. Personal love, however intense and genuine, invariably binds; love in freedom is love of all. When you are love itself, you are beyond time and numbers. In loving one you love all, in loving all, you love each. (258)

When all the false self-identifications are thrown away, what remains is all-embracing love. (195)

To see myself in everybody, and everybody in myself, most certainly is love. (91)

I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at, and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness, love; you may give it any name you like. Love says "I am everything". Wisdom says "I am nothing". Between the two, my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (269)

It is enough to know the "I am" as reality and also love. (182)

The Supreme (paramakash) imparts reality to whatever comes into being. To say that it is the universal love may be the nearest we can come to it in words. Just like love, it makes everything real, beautiful, desirable. (303)

Circumstances and conditions rule the ignorant. The knower of reality is not compelled. The only law he obeys is that of love. (484)

To act from desire and fear is bondage, to act from love is freedom. (489)

Nothing can be done without love. (482-3)

The consciousness in you and the consciousness in me, apparently two, really one, seek unity and that is love. (70)

[intruder]

ah yes, the oft quoted maharaj. "nothing can be done without love"....He's often quoted by various "followers" of something called daoism...that suggests,"he who speaks doesn't know, he who knows doesn't speak"
The alleged teachers of non-dualism are ANYTHING but. The very need to communicate "we are all one" already indicates that the thesis is flawed. Even using juvenile "what the bleep" examples of alleged "unity" at the quantum level is presupposing that we have a complete view of the universe...
I just stood up and rotated 360 degrees....the universe did NOT spin around me as it would have to reach speeds that would cause some sort of catastrophe...it makes me wonder if it's really all "relative".

I'm not making any sense today....

[intruder]

intruding again...
the need to punctuate the SILENCE with SOUND confirms the frail notion of "unity". Too many crimes of passion committed in the name of "love". Hating is NOT done with love...or is it? How can we resolve the idea of non dualism with phrases like "as above, so below". No, diversity....fragmentation....a coming together, a splitting apart...give me the unknown rather than lucifer trying to tell me that we're "all one". He too allegedly wanted to "be god"....and now his gospel is being spread with the soul destroying notion of "we're all one".
IS your real being showing YOU some loving?

"Once you are in it (true awareness)...." uh-hmmmm. So now I have to contend with "true awareness" and "untrue awareness"...damn, such unity!!

"circumstances and conditions rule the ignorant", here he sets himself apart even further. As an alleged keeper of 'true awareness' vs. the ignorant one...who IS aware, but it's not "TRUE AWARENESS"!!!
then of course there would be subsequent levels of "ignorance" interspersed with moments of "true awareness"....
and on and on and on and on....
If maharaj really "knew"....he wouldn't compose such a fat book.
Do you walk around all day reminding yourself and everyone you encounter that "WE'RE BREATHING!!"

[rossus]

If maharaj really "knew"....he wouldn't compose such a fat book.
he didn't write the fat book,

other people composed the fat book from recorded talks that were given in his apartment
over the course of years with loads of people that came to ask for his advice.



thanks for your opinion, but i doubt your really understanding his words



his style of teaching is same as zen/tao, but with a what i found to be more practical approach.
(perhaps i'm a fanboy becoz saying this:p)
the way things are explained is not important anyway;

what is important is the words help the person to understand himself and the world better...
and so freeing himself from self created illusion and misery.

the stuff is not a "dumb new age belief system".
it is a way of life that when practiced proves itself to be very effective in delivering what it promises...

freedom from fear, desire and suffering... and experience permanent blissfull happiness by practicing love.
thank you :)

[intruder]

well, I KNOW that I'm not understanding his words as this alleged "true awareness" is not something that can be communicated reinforcing "my" idea that this talk of nondualism is just that....talk.

"what is important is the words"....aren't you mistaking the map for the territory?

you ARE aware!! what is there to practice? the mind watching the mind watching the mind?

BE

Some have called maharaj "the ultimate deprogrammer"....which is really calling him the RE-programmer.

To say that "THAT" is deprogramming "THAT" makes that "THAT" a split THAT. For "THAT", which HE IS, to deprogram THAT which he is too, indicates a split, which HE is not, because HE is THAT....it just might indicate that he actually isn't all that...he might just be the bag of chips.


Can you honestly look at the depravity in this world and say "I am that"...and IF you are...why is that?
So, you're a lover AND a hater?

[rossus]

well, I KNOW that I'm not understanding his words as this alleged "true awareness" is not something that can be communicated reinforcing "my" idea that this talk of nondualism is just that....talk.
indeed,
it can't be communicated...
but it can be pointed to by using words...

and for that words can be very helpful.
but what use is a pointer to the person not willing to look?

if you wish to see it as and call it nonsense, feel free to do so.
Can you honestly look at the depravity in this world and say "I am that"...and IF you are...why is that?
So, you're a lover AND a hater?
simply saying "i am that" is as useless as saying "i can fly".. that too won't enable you to fly.

but the basic teaching of Nisargadatta goes a bit like this:

You are not your body, not your mind... All your troubles are imagined.
You are GOD.
Investigate seriously the nature of yourself,
and realize your true-self (unconditional love)


Call it bs all you want, but when you start to feel like reconsidering your beliefs...
and decide to honestly investigate the nature of your Self you too will realize that "You are That"

I can't really explain it very well myself,
but I've used his advice and feel it works Wonderful...


Maybe u dislike the statement "You Are God"
The reason for saying that is not to encourage the person to start believing he is god.

If someone believe he is god, ofcourse this leads to a big ego trip.
It is meant for the person as a wake up call.

Wake up, u are not a little person... u are not a mortal body...
become aware of ur true-self and u will realize that u don't have problems...
because u are God (a.k.a. That a.k.a. True-Self a.k.a. Tao)

[amethyst]

Love is like a sweet juicy organic fruit, once you have one you just have to have another, and another, and another, and are you starting to see the picture here... ;)

Oh YEAH!!!!!!!

It's SO DELICIOUS, SO DELIGHTFUL, SO AWESOME.......


that you just want it to go on and on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[thirdwave]

I have to agree with him on this, holsisyawa, After she sniffed in the air really hard a couple of times, and she was saying she was the design of love, she said something else it sounded like she said something about being a demon. I'm sure I misheard what she said (but I still take this as a sign), but honestly, I didn't get good vibes from her at all, either.

Someone tells you that saying Love is an "evil" thing? bah. that sounds ridiculous to me. Demons are funny that way, because they're weak and try to confuse people. At some point they will realize Love tho, then they won't be "demons" anymore.

I think there have recently been a number of websites that are going around trying to convince people that they are the real deal... only to then expose that they are fake.... leaving many people looking at the whole thing is a hoax, when there are a good few genuine ones out there. Im not saying for sure this is one of the distractors but like you say, I just did not feel good with it, and to be honest I did not find her particularly interesting or raising any points I can relate to.... but maybe thats just me.

[amethyst]

Originally Posted by cloudgazer
I have to agree with him on this, holsisyawa, After she sniffed in the air really hard a couple of times, and she was saying she was the design of love, she said something else it sounded like she said something about being a demon. I'm sure I misheard what she said (but I still take this as a sign), but honestly, I didn't get good vibes from her at all, either.

Someone tells you that saying Love is an "evil" thing? bah. that sounds ridiculous to me. Demons are funny that way, because they're weak and try to confuse people. At some point they will realize Love tho, then they won't be "demons" anymore.

I agree, Love isn't evil! LOVE is the greatest thing ever! Too bad Auron isn't here...we need one of his smiley faces :D

Ya know, just why would someone want to put go out and put a "label" on it...like they have a corner on the market on LOVE?

LOVE is there all around us FOR ANYONE just there for the taking.......it's FREE and you can't put a price tag on it :)

[amethyst]

ok maybe this is a good def.....

LOVE....... LOVES YOU WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN FEEL YOU DESERVE IT......AND EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T WANT IT ....LOVE STILL LOVES YOU

LOVE........ IS STILL THERE WAITING FOR YOU..........AND NEVER STOPS BELIEVING IN YOU............ALWAYS HAS HOPE FOR YOU........... AND ALWAYS WANTS THE BEST FOR YOU..............

AND SEES YOU AS A JEWEL AND A BRIGHT SHINING STAR OF GREAT VALUE.....BECAUSE lOVE IS LOVE


AND LOVE NEVER DIES............... BUT IS ETERNAL :)

[intruder]

indeed,
it can't be communicated...
but it can be pointed to by using words...

and for that words can be very helpful.
but what use is a pointer to the person not willing to look?

if you wish to see it as and call it nonsense, feel free to do so.

simply saying "i am that" is as useless as saying "i can fly".. that too won't enable you to fly.

but the basic teaching of Nisargadatta goes a bit like this:

You are not your body, not your mind... All your troubles are imagined.
You are GOD.
Investigate seriously the nature of yourself,
and realize your true-self (unconditional love)


Call it bs all you want, but when you start to feel like reconsidering your beliefs...
and decide to honestly investigate the nature of your Self you too will realize that "You are That"

I can't really explain it very well myself,
but I've used his advice and feel it works Wonderful...


Maybe u dislike the statement "You Are God"
The reason for saying that is not to encourage the person to start believing he is god.

If someone believe he is god, ofcourse this leads to a big ego trip.
It is meant for the person as a wake up call.

Wake up, u are not a little person... u are not a mortal body...
become aware of ur true-self and u will realize that u don't have problems...
because u are God (a.k.a. That a.k.a. True-Self a.k.a. Tao)


And I didn't intend to taint this thread of love with my musings.
I read the Tolle's, Maharaja's, etc....as just more entertainment now.

It's just that "I", or "I AM"....is more unified than "I AM THAT". It's as if the "pure awareness" of I AM requires further clarification....as if "I AM" is incomplete...."unpure"....
I used to think that these teachers had something that I don't, and indeed they do.

[rossus]

i don't see the problem :p

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen; Cordial Felicitations:


Erotic or Universal Love?


I have found aspects of this Messengers Thought quite profound.



Please Consider: I CORINTHIANS Chapter 13


13:1 Though I speak with the languages of men and of malakim, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all deep secrets and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

13:3 And though I bestow all my possessions to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it is no advantage to me.

13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love is not jealous; love is not boastful, is not puffed up with pride.

13:5 Does not behave rudely, does not seek its own advantage, is not provoked, thinks no evil.

13:6 Does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;

13:7 Does not betray, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will be fulfilled; where there are languages, they will cease; where there is knowledge, it will be replaced with complete truth.

13:9 For we know in part, and we prophecy in part;

13:10 But when that which is perfect comes, than that which is in part (imperfect), will vanish away.

13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away my childish things.

13:12 Now we are looking in a mirror that only gives a blurred reflection, but then, face to face with perfection. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully; even as I am now fully known.

13:13 But now these three things endure: Faith, Hope and Love-but the greatest of these is LOVE.





Selah





Shalom




Kindest Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ladies & Gentlemen; Cordial Felicitations:


Love is the only Flower that Grows & Blossoms without the Aide of Seasons.

Man cannot reap Love until after sad and revealing separation, and bitter Patience, and Desparate Hardship.



Kahlil Gibran





PEACE



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[Anders Lindman]

O ye of little faith, check this out:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- Matthew 5 (New International Version)

[sproket]

Let’s be real here.
I most certainly don’t love my enemy; they must have done something shitty in the first place to be my enemy. Should they try to persecute me then obviously we have a lack of respect, hence a swift and hefty kick to the nuts is called for I would say.
Perhaps the biggest reward of all is to love those who love you. Oh, and as for tax collectors loving me …. Please it’s 2007, have you met yours?
Love for a partner is nothing more than a state of mind which can disappear over time. However to analyse the word perhaps its best to start at the feelings a parent has for their child. This is the only constant and unconditional love.

[holsisyolswa]

dont mention faith, you know its an illusion of support. same with hope.

lol

PEOPLE> you dont allow yourself to understand LOVE>

most love is about control.

rest is a load of shit.

u know it.

[sproket]

dont mention faith, you know its an illusion of support. same with hope.

lol

PEOPLE> you dont allow yourself to understand LOVE>

most love is about control.

rest is a load of shit.

u know it.

Agreed!

[Anders Lindman]

Let’s be real here.
I most certainly don’t love my enemy; they must have done something shitty in the first place to be my enemy. Should they try to persecute me then obviously we have a lack of respect, hence a swift and hefty kick to the nuts is called for I would say.
Perhaps the biggest reward of all is to love those who love you. Oh, and as for tax collectors loving me …. Please it’s 2007, have you met yours?
Love for a partner is nothing more than a state of mind which can disappear over time. However to analyse the word perhaps its best to start at the feelings a parent has for their child. This is the only constant and unconditional love.

:D But seriously what I think about when reading Jesus' description is that love must 'rain' on the just and the wicked alike, and to be 'perfect' as the Father means letting love sort things out everywhere. Probably an enemy will not be loved as loving a loved one, but at least the enemy will not be bothersome anymore hopefully. :confused:

[Anders Lindman]

What exactly is love? I don't really know, but it's something good. Fear is good as a form of protection, somethintg that sets limit, but fear is also lack of understanding and control. If I understand something and can make sure I'm not harmed by it, then there is no need for fear.

So understanding and personal control is better than fear, and thus love seems to be not fear but more in the direction of understanding and personal control.

How then to go from fear to love? Present moment awareness is one key. Be aware of your fears and conflicts in the present moment, and by being aware you can move away more and more from fear and into the present moment. You cannot THINK yourself out of fear because, as J. Krishnamurti has said, thought is always limited. Thought cannot control all of the future. Therefore the only way out of fear is going more into the present moment.

[Anders Lindman]

No one can be both in the present moment and in the future. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both the present moment and money.

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not the present moment more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet the present moment feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how the present moment clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will it not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and the present moment knows that you need them. But seek first the present moment, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?

"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." -- Matthew 6 (New International Version)

[synergy777]

love/compassion is what makes life worthwhile,
without this, it would be worthless.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2755/1corinthians13qx4da5.jpg

1love

[amethyst]

:D But seriously what I think about when reading Jesus' description is that love must 'rain' on the just and the wicked alike, and to be 'perfect' as the Father means letting love sort things out everywhere. Probably an enemy will not be loved as loving a loved one, but at least the enemy will not be bothersome anymore hopefully. :confused:

That's a good way of putting it I think. I'll add, we as human beings are all in this thing called life "together"..... In other words, we are all in the same boat, just by the virtue of us being human beings living on planet earth together......so we share a common "humanity" with one another.

Everyone knows the the saying, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"......well, I think that's pretty good advice to follow, since everyone of us, is each other's "neighbor", so to speak.

[cl2008]

Love is given a perverted meaning these days. No wonder there is so much misery

[cloudgazer]

Let’s be real here.
I most certainly don’t love my enemy; they must have done something shitty in the first place to be my enemy. Should they try to persecute me then obviously we have a lack of respect, hence a swift and hefty kick to the nuts is called for I would say.
Perhaps the biggest reward of all is to love those who love you. Oh, and as for tax collectors loving me …. Please it’s 2007, have you met yours?
Love for a partner is nothing more than a state of mind which can disappear over time. However to analyse the word perhaps its best to start at the feelings a parent has for their child. This is the only constant and unconditional love.

If your brother did something shitty would you still love him and forgive him? what about your mother or your father??

The point is that we are all brothers and sisters, ALL of us. We are all connected, and that is why we should love everyone. When you separate yourselves from people this is hard to do, it makes you forget the connection that is real.

When you think of everyone as your family it is easier to love them tho.

[Anders Lindman]

Does increased present moment awareness lead to an increase of love in oneself? That has to be tested. The first thing that comes to mind are thoughts like: "The present moment, how boring!", "Present moment awareness, what for?".

One has to trick the mind to go deeper into the now, such as by telling oneself that it will increase the personal power of one's thoughts. THEN one's mind will be much more interested. :D

[intruder]

for me. "the power of now" is best realized and practiced within the framework of art and music, making love, or physical activity. Focusing entirely on "this" moment, and the note, caress, or brush stroke you're engaged in. If the orgasm is all you're after...you're missing the point. people seem to view "enlightenment" as some sort of unified, cosmic orgasm, to be experienced..."then". While the symphonic player or punk musician can be conscious of the "whole" i.e. start....rising action...and finale. The attention should be concentrated in THIS moment.

[bradko2001]

In a way the whole System is based on people suffering and being pushed down. In that way, people can be more easily controlled, but it's a top-down hierarchical form of primitive obedience control. Love would be a much more powerful form of control. My guess is that love will increase because it's a smarter and more inclusive and comprehensive form of control. Power-over only works for simple and rigid structures. The world is becoming more and more complex and controlling the whole shebang using fear-based manipulation will sooner or later break down. :cool:
if someone not willing to give YOu 25 hugs an day they don't love you.What they can do is use seduce and/either use your energy.Its science,think about it.Even an simple fantasy in the mind is un-used inertia in the mind.If you dont recieve or express, people can use against you.Just Express yo'self.

[synergy777]

in the words of the blue brothers, everybody needs someone to love........

[bradko2001]

HEH. just cracks me up, when u understand love and you read these posts of ones perception of LOVE.
HEH X 2


Here is .
LOVE and teh DESIGN OF LOVE

http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSh9_kIbX0

does this help?

Holsis
The design is made for brainwashing.She is most likely brainwashed or paid programming.

[bradko2001]

Does increased present moment awareness lead to an increase of love in oneself? That has to be tested. The first thing that comes to mind are thoughts like: "The present moment, how boring!", "Present moment awareness, what for?".

One has to trick the mind to go deeper into the now, such as by telling oneself that it will increase the personal power of one's thoughts. THEN one's mind will be much more interested. :D
I think it works by knowing yourself before you can know who you truly love/trust.

[bradko2001]

indeed,
it can't be communicated...
but it can be pointed to by using words...

and for that words can be very helpful.
but what use is a pointer to the person not willing to look?

if you wish to see it as and call it nonsense, feel free to do so.

simply saying "i am that" is as useless as saying "i can fly".. that too won't enable you to fly.

but the basic teaching of Nisargadatta goes a bit like this:

You are not your body, not your mind... All your troubles are imagined.
You are GOD.
Investigate seriously the nature of yourself,
and realize your true-self (unconditional love)


Call it bs all you want, but when you start to feel like reconsidering your beliefs...
and decide to honestly investigate the nature of your Self you too will realize that "You are That"

I can't really explain it very well myself,
but I've used his advice and feel it works Wonderful...


Maybe u dislike the statement "You Are God"
The reason for saying that is not to encourage the person to start believing he is god.

If someone believe he is god, ofcourse this leads to a big ego trip.
It is meant for the person as a wake up call.

Wake up, u are not a little person... u are not a mortal body...
become aware of ur true-self and u will realize that u don't have problems...
because u are God (a.k.a. That a.k.a. True-Self a.k.a. Tao)
Words are run by the left hemisphere of the brain.The logic/computing side.Just Read the alphabet and the Godess by leonard shlain(Im not sure bout spelling.)

[Anders Lindman]

for me. "the power of now" is best realized and practiced within the framework of art and music, making love, or physical activity. Focusing entirely on "this" moment, and the note, caress, or brush stroke you're engaged in. If the orgasm is all you're after...you're missing the point. people seem to view "enlightenment" as some sort of unified, cosmic orgasm, to be experienced..."then". While the symphonic player or punk musician can be conscious of the "whole" i.e. start....rising action...and finale. The attention should be concentrated in THIS moment.

Eckhart Tolle for example definitely has a point in that we have become way, way too much stuck in the mental thought streams about past and future.

One problem I have found is that my mind refuses to 'go into the now' or at least there is a huge resistance to that. That's why I came to think of the trick of asking oneself: what if going more into the now greatly enhances the thoughts! Eckhart Tolle has actually said something along this line, such as: "Your thoughts become more effective when you enter the present moment" (something like that), but he hasn't strongly or clearly enough explained that imo.

[Anders Lindman]

if someone not willing to give YOu 25 hugs an day they don't love you.What they can do is use seduce and/either use your energy.Its science,think about it.Even an simple fantasy in the mind is un-used inertia in the mind.If you dont recieve or express, people can use against you.Just Express yo'self.

The energy flow is interesting. I can feel that I have a constant energy drain that causes me to want to suck in more energy to myself. That's a kind of energy vampirism. :eek: It's not only me, most other people too are like that it seems. We suck energy from each other, because there is a lack of energy/fulfillment in us.

[Anders Lindman]

I think it works by knowing yourself before you can know who you truly love/trust.

It's VERY difficult to go deeper into the present moment in my experience. My mind hates trying to do that! So yes, to really test increased present moment awareness one has to examine oneself a great deal and how the thinking mind operates it seems.

[jozen bo]

Why does it seem like love is an emotion that is taboo, or over-rated...When it is expressed it is often oppressed. Hmmm... I wonder why?!:):)

We are collectively confused in many ways. Love is perceived in many forms and some people who hold limitation due to learned fear view some of those forms as being wrong, even they their bodies may feel otherwise. This causes inner repression and frustration. This causes confusion and in the confused state they spread words against that which they are repression, feeding the repression more and building a need to express it. This has caused a false message to spread out, a bad idea that infects and tortures its victims while blinding them to the truth of themselves. Thus we encounter in our lives this message and may choose to either accept it and become confused oppressors ourselves or reject it and respect Love in all of its expressions.

Best Regards,
Jozen-Bo

[rossus]

It's VERY difficult to go deeper into the present moment in my experience. My mind hates trying to do that! So yes, to really test increased present moment awareness one has to examine oneself a great deal and how the thinking mind operates it seems.
surely in no way i am more spiritually gifted than you are, but contrary to you i find entering the now to be really easy.

the way a teacher explains how to get "enlightened" is very important.
i think statements such as "Enter the now" sound so abstract; it sounds like the impossible task.

possibly this is the reason why you find it so difficult.
a much simpler way of saying "go deeper into the present moment" for me would be "stop, do nothing"

Nothing you do will change you, for you need no change. You may change your mind or your body, but it is always something external to you that has changed, not yourself. Why bother at all to change? Realize once for all that neither your body nor your mind, nor even your consciousness is yourself and stand alone in your true nature beyond consciousness and unconsciousness. No effort can take you there, only the clarity of understanding. (520)

It is not what you do, but what you stop doing that matters. (483)

Do not rush into activity. Neither learning nor action can really help. (260)

If you are earnest, you will find that in the end you will get fed up with roaming and regret the waste of energy and time. To find your self you need not take a single step. (334)
these are some quotes from the book "i am that (http://www.nonduality.com/asmi.htm)" (many quotes on that page)

i quote this guy again, because i followed his advice and it's true.
enlightenment is not the Result of an action...

when i look back on the past year,
i see how i gradually got more and more "enlightened" (less and less problems = more and more happiness)
but i didn't really do anything...

i just paid attention to myself and how the mind works,
and i stopped identifying with the mind and it's thoughts.

it's not like "stop identifying with thoughts" was a new activity of mine...
i noticed i was identifying with them all the time, and i stopped doing that...
so it's an activity i dropped!

the result was, i started realizing that i am "That" (a.k.a. Unconditional Love a.k.a. "Buddha/Christ consciousness")
gangaji helped me in the beginning to realize that all i had to do was stop,
but nisargadatta helped me stop completely.

excuse the fluffy talk but the reason i'm saying this Andy ( :p ) is that,
the subtle difference in getting the same thing explained might make the difference wether u understand it or not.

there is a big difference between
"i need to do this to get enlightened"
or "i need to become aware of what i'm doing, and just stop that"...
so actually i have to do nothing :eek:



so, in the past i have read you saying that u don't like Nisargadata cause he's too "brute" or something,
and u prefer much more Eckhart Tolle...

i'm sure u have ur reason,
but the reason i don't really like eckhart tolle is becoz it's like for his stuff... i need to think to understand it.

while gangaji... and more so Nisargadatta... when they Spoke their words...
it's like my mind stopped. i understould without effort their simple message... which is "Stop!"
and doing so made me experience, make me SENSE the enlightenment... even from the very beginning.

thats how i sensed wether a teacher was right for me or not.
that simply hearin their words made me experience TRUTH first hand without effort.




maybe this whole post was useless;
and it was probably annoying to many cause i'm like telling my life story or something... :p

but anyway... Intruder,
you have expressed your dislike for Nisargadatta... which i greatly appreciate.

could you perhaps tell us what style of EXPLAINING how to experience nirvana you prefer?
is it "vipasanna" perhaps?

i have looked into a book about vipasanna and i find it interesting...
not only because there is a world wide community that
is based on volunteers who learn EVERYONE to meditate, without asking a PENNY.

but also because the way Vipassana explains it... is the most SIMPLE and UNDILUTED way of explaining stuff
that i have seen from buddhist like teachings...

but the problem i have with vipasanna, is that it also sort of asks an Effort to understand.
thats what makes me suspect that Vipassana is less good than Nisargadatta for example,
coz they sort of make it more harder than it is.... just like Eckhart Tolle or many other "spiritual teachings"

Maybe i'm WRONG in vipassana, i'm going to get deeper into it very soon.
I'm possibly meeting up with a Vipassana teacher next week, simply to have to Chit Chat about enlightenment...

and see wether they have a better way of explaining things....
than the Weird Indian guy with his Fat Book :)

[Anders Lindman]

surely in no way i am more spiritually gifted than you are, but contrary to you i find entering the now to be really easy.

the way a teacher explains how to get "enlightened" is very important.
i think statements such as "Enter the now" sound so abstract; it sounds like the impossible task.

possibly this is the reason why you find it so difficult.
a much simpler way of saying "go deeper into the present moment" for me would be "stop, do nothing"



I want to have rational explanations for how to 'enter the now'. Some people may be able to use intuition or other means, but my mind is stubborn as hell. :D

As I understand it, to enter the now is to move away from being too stuck in thought streams about past and future, but I haven't found a way to enter the now so to speak.

[lifeofbrian]

Why does it seem like love is an emotion that is taboo, or over-rated...When it is expressed it is often oppressed. Hmmm... I wonder why?!:):)

Love (not the chemical oxytocin, but the real deal) is leaving other people alone. Not interfering, not trying to convince, not trying to save them.

Love is letting people live life without a roadmap.

[rossus]

I want to have rational explanations for how to 'enter the now'. Some people may be able to use intuition or other means, but my mind is stubborn as hell. :D

As I understand it, to enter the now is to move away from being too stuck in thought streams about past and future, but I haven't found a way to enter the now so to speak.
i think seeking Rational Explanations is only pushing you deeper down into the ego,
but i understand what you mean...

do you also not feel it intuitively when reading gangaji's book "Diamond in your pocket" ?
if so that's strange, because that's possibly one of the best books for people who are new to it.

i've seen you talk about "the now" several times so,
it seems like ur really interested in it.

maybe it would help if you would meet someone like "Gangaji" in person.

http://www.satsang-worldwide.info/ <- this used to be a good site for finding a place where they give "satsang" but as u can see they are temporarily refferring to another site.

i'd try to find satsang given by a relatively decent teacher,
cause i suppose there's many satsang given by people not very enlightened. :p

Words are run by the left hemisphere of the brain.The logic/computing side.Just Read the alphabet and the Godess by leonard shlain(Im not sure bout spelling.)
hello, i don't understand what that's got to do with i just said.
care to go a bit deeper into it?

thanks :p
Love (not the chemical oxytocin, but the real deal) is leaving other people alone. Not interfering, not trying to convince, not trying to save them.

Love is letting people live life without a roadmap.
i'm sure my brain started working differently since living a more "loving" or "meditative" way,
at certain moments i've felt that the activity in my brain is different...

and i'm sure that scientist would love to do nothing else than say the "enlightenment" i am experiencing is,
nothing but a chemical illusion...
using a scanner to make an image of my brain and showing how some part is "unusually overactive" while another part is "unusually passive".


but the thing is that when someone has a serious head injury and goes into a coma,
often the person wakes up as a totally different person.

still the same memories, but for example: turned from a very Peaceful person into someone very Agitated by the most little of things.
that, and other scientific stuff has made it clear that the personality is very much located in the brain.

the brain plays a central role in the way the person experience himself and the body,
but if "enlightenment" is an illusion....
then so is the personality of the "unenlightened" person...
then so is the feeling of pleasure, the feeling of pain... or basically our whole perception of the world.
cause the brain of the "logical scientific person" is too a chemical factory!


and funnily enough, that's actually the message of buddha and the other teachers... "it's all an illusion";
the realization of how the "personality" we imagine ourself to be... and how the "world" we imagine to be real
is actually illusion... leads to blissfull feeling of happiness, love and freedom. :)

[damagedbrainn]

Love is a many splendor thing.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Love is all you need.
Love is a battlefield.

[Anders Lindman]

i think seeking Rational Explanations is only pushing you deeper down into the ego,
but i understand what you mean...

do you also not feel it intuitively when reading gangaji's book "Diamond in your pocket" ?
if so that's strange, because that's possibly one of the best books for people who are new to it.

i've seen you talk about "the now" several times so,
it seems like ur really interested in it.

maybe it would help if you would meet someone like "Gangaji" in person.

http://www.satsang-worldwide.info/ <- this used to be a good site for finding a place where they give "satsang" but as u can see they are temporarily refferring to another site.

i'd try to find satsang given by a relatively decent teacher,
cause i suppose there's many satsang given by people not very enlightened. :p



I would like to have a book or lecture that could explain in a rational way. There are many books and many spiritual teachers, but I haven't seen any really rational explanation yet.

[lifeofbrian]

Love (not the chemical oxytocin, but the real deal) is leaving other people alone. Not interfering, not trying to convince, not trying to save them.

Love is letting people live life without a roadmap.

i'm sure my brain started working differently since living a more "loving" or "meditative" way,
i've felt that the activity in my brain is different...

and i'm sure that scientist would love to do no better than say the "enlightenment" i am experiencing is,
nothing but a chemical illusion.

but the thing is that when someone has a serious head injury and goes into a coma,
often the person wakes up as a totally different person.

still the same memories, but turned from a very Peaceful person into someone very Agitated by the most little of things.
that, and other scientific stuff has made it clear that the personality is very much located in the brain.

the brain plays a central role in the way the person experience himself and the body,
but if "enlightenment" is an illusion....
then so is the personality of the "unenlightened" person...
then so is the feeling of pleasure, the feeling of pain... or basically our whole perception of the world.
cause the brain of the "logical scientific person" is too a chemical factory!


and funnily enough, that's actually the message of buddha "it's all an illusion";
and the realization of how the "personality" we imagine ourself to be... and how the "world" we imagine to be real...
is actually illusion... leads to blissfull feeling of happiness, love and freedom. :)

Beats me.

I've heard that the brain is like the microscope the mind 'sees' through. I've heard that we need sleep in order for our immortal selves to 'breathe' and not become nutcases trapped awake in the limited space that is a body. I've heard that the other (death) realm is approx one metre above ground (hence living from the upper chakras promotes so called psychic ability) and a few centimetres outside a body. I've heard that people in a coma are much like people in 'normal' sleep in the astral: i.e. not very conscious. I've heard that NDE's have changed people, going from being petty to seeing a bigger picture. I've heard that we with our minds help keeping this reality in place, like projecting our images onto the outside 'void', enabling us to see what we would like to see, i.e. our own flaws, fears, imperfections and hang-ups (but since it's 'out there' we believe it can't be 'us').

I've heard the real battle is about changing the internal images.

Depends on the guru-interpretor a person is taking instructions-ideas from, I guess.

However, time will tell and every single person will eventually find out the truth.

[Anders Lindman]

I would like to have a book or lecture that could explain in a rational way. There are many books and many spiritual teachers, but I haven't seen any really rational explanation yet.

One method is to ask oneself: "Will entering the present moment be beneficial for me overall (including health, finances, relationships etc)?" :confused:

The mind really doesn't know the answer to that unless the method is tested! That creates a great seed of doubt in the mind that can lead to change. :)

[lifeofbrian]

One method is to ask oneself: "Will entering the present moment be beneficial for me overall (including health, finances, relationships etc)?" :confused:

The mind really doesn't know the answer to that unless the method is tested! That creates a great seed of doubt in the mind that can lead to change. :)

I bet the individual mind knows that absolute belief can change anything instantly. But we are too busy listening to the minds of other people to trust our own.

[megafish33]

I think we will eventually have more "text book" explanations on the love(and hate) humans show to each other in the future thanks to those studying the intersections of "memes" and the physiochemical(really, 'psychoimmunochemical') world. There are certainly many reasons why some might feel as if "love," in and of itself, is an illusion and fake and weak and all that. In many situations, what some describe as love can easily be an unhealthy, even dangerous, delusion. I also feel that we can't be healthy, as human beings, if we don't love ourselves and others. I'm for open relationships as well, and for those groups that work at them-they really do seem to work. It's rare(from what I've seen), but there are open relationships with 3 or more persons where everyone does seem to be all very "enlightened." With that said, I'm not going to sit here and say that anyone who shares that love for their single partner is falling for a "trap" or "institution" set up by TPTB a long ass time ago. It happens all time in nature with other animals, is healthy, and shouldn't be taboo IMHO. Some people live to love and be loved, and I feel that is every bit as enlightened as living a life where you say to yourself "love is over-rated." They're both realities that are occurring at the same time. The whole "love is" and "love is everything that exists" and all that jazz is equally valid as well.

[Anders Lindman]

I bet the individual mind knows that absolute belief can change anything instantly. But we are too busy listening to the minds of other people to trust our own.

Yes, our trust in external info can often be a false trust. External info is of course needed, but we must examine it very carefully. And to only trust actual facts, such as "2 + 2 = 4" or actual feelings.

[cloudgazer]

Yes, our trust in external info can often be a false trust. External info is of course needed, but we must examine it very carefully. And to only trust actual facts, such as "2 + 2 = 4" or actual feelings.

Do 2 cats + 2 dogs = 4 cats ? no, therefore 2 + 2 does not always equal 4..

When will you have numbers, without having a number of something. numbers on their own are just concepts in our mind,

[sproket]

If your brother did something shitty would you still love him and forgive him? what about your mother or your father??

The point is that we are all brothers and sisters, ALL of us. We are all connected, and that is why we should love everyone. When you separate yourselves from people this is hard to do, it makes you forget the connection that is real.

When you think of everyone as your family it is easier to love them tho.

Realistically, it’s not possible to view everyone as family. Unfortunately we don’t live in Utopia. Its easier to forgive immediate family members possibly because we are conditioned to protect our own. I ask you, If I came and took some of your land without asking, dictated laws to you and generally treat those dear to you with contempt, would you turn the other cheek? I would not nor would not expect you to. This is a real time strategy game we are all playing, those with the biggest stick usually get what they want.

[optimus pigpot]

Realistically, it’s not possible to view everyone as family. Unfortunately we don’t live in Utopia. Its easier to forgive immediate family members possibly because we are conditioned to protect our own. I ask you, If I came and took some of your land without asking, dictated laws to you and generally treat those dear to you with contempt, would you turn the other cheek? I would not nor would not expect you to. This is a real time strategy game we are all playing, those with the biggest stick usually get what they want.

Well said, Sproket!!!

How insightful of you!!!

I have a HUGE stick

[Anders Lindman]

Do 2 cats + 2 dogs = 4 cats ? no, therefore 2 + 2 does not always equal 4..

When will you have numbers, without having a number of something. numbers on their own are just concepts in our mind,

:eek: I guess you're right. At least there is no such thing as THE number 2 for instance.

But there is still a difference between something certain and something uncertain. If I have 2 dollars on my bank account, then that is certain (at least certain enough), but was Marilyn Monroe murdered or did she commit suicide? That is uncertain to me, even though the truth behind it is certain.

Also what is now is more certain than what is in the future. For example let's say that the oil price is $100 per barrel today, then that is certain, but it's not certain what the oil price will be tomorrow. And even more uncertain what the oil price will be one year from now.

We can in our own minds separate the certain stuff from the uncertain stuff. Most of our thoughts are about uncertainty and that is ok if it is about entertainment but a pain in the ass when dealing with 'serious' matters.

[amethyst]

Do 2 cats + 2 dogs = 4 cats ? no, therefore 2 + 2 does not always equal 4..

When will you have numbers, without having a number of something. numbers on their own are just concepts in our mind,

A liitle off topic......

In the minds of the elites, 2 cats + 2 dogs probably does = 4 cats, due to their hybridization of all the species. It's a perverted outlook, that's for sure.

[amethyst]

Realistically, it’s not possible to view everyone as family. Unfortunately we don’t live in Utopia. Its easier to forgive immediate family members possibly because we are conditioned to protect our own. I ask you, If I came and took some of your land without asking, dictated laws to you and generally treat those dear to you with contempt, would you turn the other cheek? I would not nor would not expect you to. This is a real time strategy game we are all playing, those with the biggest stick usually get what they want.

I'm guessing the poster means "family' in the sense, that we are all part of the human "family'.We all live on planet earth. So let's try and take care of what we got. And treating people as you yourself would want to be treated, just makes sense.

But of course, when someone comes to your house and tries to take your property, I think you have a right to defend yourself certainly.

[bigus_dickus]

This is a real time strategy game we are all playing, those with the biggest stick usually get what they want.

it's called "animal life" (ask the pigbot, it knows, it's as far as its mind can go), or "survival of the fittest".

[mountain]

Yes these are precisely some of the things I feel. Cloudgazer, yes I do feel we as a human race are one family, also any other society in the universe our brothers and cousins. I do believe Earth was once a Utopia and that we will soon see it blossom into one again.:cool:

[lenejento]

I'd say true love is and has been severely underrated. Thing is we can't define true love, when it is, it isn't true love anymore...?

[mountain]

I'd say true love is and has been severely underrated. Thing is we can't define true love, when it is, it isn't true love anymore...?

Perhaps it is both, friend. Over-rated because we all have had "taught" these false meanings of love, distorted expressions of love that really drives one mad when it comes to romance and when it boils down to knowing a loved one is wrong for certain actions and condoning it...

...and under-rated because we are often expecting perfect ideals in one another and our partners, rather than accepting who they are for their individuality. Love is telling the other the TRUTH when they are indulged in wrong doing for starters.

Love, like truth and beauty, is concrete. Love is not fundamentally a sweet feeling; not, at heart, a matter of sentiment, attachment, or being "drawn toward." Love is active, effective, a matter of making reciprocal and mutually beneficial relation with one's friends and enemies. Carter Heyward

[lenejento]

To me, love doesen't necessarily only have to do with relationship, you can just love.

[robby]

WOW so many different perceptions of LOVE:

How about this:

QUOTE:

The problem is not the term "love," the problem is the interpretation of the term. Those on third density have a tendency to confuse the issue horribly. After all, they confuse many things as love. When the actual definition of love as you know it is not correct either.

It is not necessarily a feeling that one has that can also be interpreted as an emotion, but rather, as we have told you before, the essence of light which is knowledge is love, and this has been corrupted when it is said that love leads to illumination. Love is Light is Knowledge.

Love makes no sense when common definitions are used as they are in your environment. To love you must know. And to know is to have light. And to have light is to love. And to have knowledge is to love.

:D

[fromthatshow]

I prefer apathy.

[goldenratio]

IMO Love is the saving grace of humanity, the light at the end of the tunnel

biological,chemical,spiritual,brotherly,sisterly,p aternal,maternal,platonic,
passionate,compassionate,patient,caring,affectiona te,erotic,benevolent,

Love's great and it beats the shit out of being miserable:D:cool:

[esse]

I agree Mountain - Love is telling the Truth - yr real friends and lovers do this, the pretenders tell you what you want to hear as they do not love - they have an agenda and want something out of you. So many human relationships are based on shady "deals" - this is not loving... Love is honest - honesty, even when it hurts. real healing hurts - that is the feeling of the new tissue growing over the wounds. This is a great thing. transformation.

Great tread - Love yr posts, they are always deep - This one has been great to read thru :)

For me love is our natural state - I too believe this warm heartedness is our nature, I wonder at that which has taken us so far away from the simple knowledge of ourselves.

Romantic love seems the most simple thing - yet is is the rarest.
Romantic Love is the jewel of human existance - and the dream of all innocents. It is beyond our control to receive - and the greatest gift to be able to give. People are programmed into all the wrong kinds of selfishness. If you were really selfish - you would find out what it took to give and recieve that which you long for more than anything. You would not be lazy or begrudge it - You would chase after it with fervour - determination, inspired by the mere idea of it. What could deter you - but death. What obstacle is there mightier than man's spirit?

We need to live with spirit - passion... Not victims, feeling sorry for ourselves.

[2013]

LOVE Is .It doesnt need to be questioned it is a knowing .Words cant express it .A state of being our natural state in fact :D