Your Thoughts Please On This!

[freeworld]

I would really appreciate your honest thoughts in this thread WITHOUT any bitching (People Tend To Bitch When They Feel Their Beliefs Are Being Attacked) if possible.

The Website Destini - Universe http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewforum.php?f=30

I have just had a good afternoon Analyzing this website and the type of people that are compelled to join and follow this your girl called Jack, i have a feeling most people are aware of this site, i just wanted to hear your views on the person and the actual site? I just want to know how other peoples minds work on here, hopefully the feedback is what i am hoping to hear, that way i will feel like im a member of the right site.

This is what i have just posted on the site and i am now awaiting a reply, i think ill get the typical response!

People really need to start getting a grip on their own reality and start taking control of their own lives, you all should not be needing to be led, stop being sheep, start getting a grip and sort your own lives out! Stop needing someone to guide you, don't you realize that is what your big problem is, i admit that the person on these videos is quite an intelligent spoken person who makes sense and due to that sense we all go ummm this person makes great sense let's check out another video and then you go ooooo that makes sense too. Right now you think to yourself that whatever this person now states i am going to almost believe it and let this person take over my inner self, this kind of thing happens every day in your normal lives and you are unaware cos you are conditioned since birth to be a follower and not a leader, a free thinker, someone who makes their own reality, you have one life in this current world, frequency, plain or whatever you want to call it so make sure it is one that you can look back on in your last moments and simply smile knowing that you lived a good life.

Instead of being on this site, why don't you all get off your arses and start helping sort OUT this mixed up world, NO you wont your too lazy and that is why you are here seeking guidance off someone you don't even know.

We must be the dumbest race in the universe, no wonder people get treated the way they do!

And if your going to reply to this comment at least have a free thinking mind not a conditioned one, listen to your heart, your emotions and let them guide you! Start listening to yourself and not others, forget what you have been taught or think you have learned, why do you think this person can easily manipulate you! Well it's very easy as long as your highly intelligent and you know the way the human mind thinks and what it reacts too! And if you think YOUR intelligent then you are more exposed to being led than anyone else, however if you have common sense combined with your intelligence, your own mind, your own intuitions, then you will be more free than you can ever know!!

I pity people that are not in tune with their own mind, their own inner self. You have amazing potential but i am afraid to say that most of you will never find it!

Good Luck With Your Lives I Sincerely Mean That:


FreeWorld

[freeworld]

I have now been BANNED due to what i have wrote above! I did not even get a response back, now that seems dodgy to me!

[mr_flibble]

Exactly how much praise would you like?

[freeworld]

Exactly how much praise would you like?

Praise ??? I only wanted your thoughts on Jack and the site ???

[lennart]

I think it,s about this girl: http://youtube.com/user/DesteniProductions

[lennart]

oe!! Exposed: History of Man 127 -- Reptilian Galactic Federation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=x8D54UlYI88)

[freeworld]

I think it,s about this girl: http://youtube.com/user/DesteniProductions

That's the one!

[limelady]

I'm sorry I have no proof of anything, and I've not had the time to do an indepth analysis of this "jack" person.

But I can tell you my intuition told me "fake" less than 20 seconds into the first video, so I haven't bothered with anymore of them.

I'm not sure if this is the type of feedback you're looking for, but its the best I can offer at this time, and its only my own view. :)

[freeworld]

I'm sorry I have no proof of anything, and I've not had the time to do an indepth analysis of this "jack" person.

But I can tell you my intuition told me "fake" less than 20 seconds into the first video, so I haven't bothered with anymore of them.

I'm not sure if this is the type of feedback you're looking for, but its the best I can offer at this time, and its only my own view. :)

It's exactly the feedback i wanted, thanks Limelady, i just wanted to see how easy ppl can be taken in when someone presents them self to be knowledgeable and that knowledge makes sense, i just wanted to make sure that ppl on this were not like that, i don't know you see because i am new and have not got to know the members on here that well as of yet!

Thanks for the Feedback! Appreciated.

[elirien]

Instead of being on this site, why don't you all get off your arses and start helping sort OUT this mixed up world, NO you wont your too lazy and that is why you are here seeking guidance off someone you don't even know.



FreeWorld

Very true. Its the same everywhere. This is probably caused by not being sincere to oneself and therefore creating this "I will do anything besides what I know is right" behavior.

About that Desteni girl. What she speaks about has some hint of truth in it. Although I can see that she is lying. Its just intuition and behavioral analysis.

Another thing that I have observed is that she and some people that kind of follow her have that urge to prove a point which smells kind of like megalomania and everything besides love (more like dogma).

Btw she definitely looks cute with blond hair :D

[dondaz]

I gather this is the same person to which you refer?

http://www.youtube.com/DesteniProductions

I just want to know how other peoples minds work on here, hopefully the feedback is what i am hoping to hear, that way i will feel like im a member of the right site.

I don't think fitting in is the right words for this forum, fitting in is for drones, I believe. Keep doing what you are doing and you'll find out if you want to fit in here.;)

You have amazing potential but i am afraid to say that most of you will never find it!

So, if you're not here to find possible answers, then you must have answers. Why not start a thread about what you do know and not one to test others knowledge?

I am going through a great change in my life right now, it's quite amazing the knowledge that gets passed around in this forum, doing me the world of good. We are all different my friend and are at different stages of awakening. I'm sure there's not one person here who knows it all about every subject that has been hidden from the main stream, but many are willing to learn from each other and get together on the meet-ups. This place is a gold mine, but you have to look for all the nuggets amongst the rocks, often digging deep to find the gold. This forum can also be a battleground, if that is you're thing. There are many people here who we benefit from, stick around and you will find them.

Look forward to seeing some of your own ideas mate!:)

[dangermouse]

yeah and that galactic confederation thing ... .. sounds odd to me like scientology

[je_suis_eveille]

I concur with Lime Lady, he or she is a fake

[freeworld]

I gather this is the same person to which you refer?

http://www.youtube.com/DesteniProductions



I don't think fitting in is the right words for this forum, fitting in is for drones, I believe. Keep doing what you are doing and you'll find out if you want to fit in here.;)



So, if you're not here to find possible answers, then you must have answers. Why not start a thread about what you do know and not one to test others knowledge?

I am going through a great change in my life right now, it's quite amazing the knowledge that gets passed around in this forum, doing me the world of good. We are all different my friend and are at different stages of awakening. I'm sure there's not one person here who knows it all about every subject that has been hidden from the main stream, but many are willing to learn from each other and get together on the meet-ups. This place is a gold mine, but you have to look for all the nuggets amongst the rocks, often digging deep to find the gold. This forum can also be a battleground, if that is you're thing. There are many people here who we benefit from, stick around and you will find them.

Look forward to seeing some of your own ideas mate!:)

Hey Dondaz,

whens your next vid due out on youtube, i am currently in the process of making another one at present! I think i have subscribed to your videos!!!

It's not really about fitting in mate it's about just being around the same people with the same mind set, i feel that if someone has the same mindset as me then i can listen and hopefully take on board what they have to share - Does that make sense?

I don't have answers, however i have theories which i just express mostly in my youtube & Google vids as i don't really want to get into strong debates on this forum and i can't stand bitchy comments that's not what i am here for!

I think the meet-ups would be an idea that i would favour! I find it a lot easier to express my views and concerns vocally!

[lemonique]

I concur with Lime Lady, he or she is a fake


Ditto !!

Lemonique

[adramelech]

Anyone who is at all familiar with how to read body language, facial expressions, eye movements and the like will begin laughing almost immediately into one of his/her "channeling" sessions. New Age quasi-spiritual pap.

[lookfar]

I concur with Lime Lady, he or she is a fake

Yep I agree, my feelings exactly. I could only watch a couple of minutes & had to switch it off as it just felt so fake.

[kblood]

People really need to start getting a grip on their own reality and start taking control of their own lives, you all should not be needing to be led, stop being sheep, start getting a grip and sort your own lives out! Stop needing someone to guide you, don't you realize that is what your big problem is, i admit that the person on these videos is quite an intelligent spoken person who makes sense and due to that sense we all go ummm this person makes great sense let's check out another video and then you go ooooo that makes sense too.

Instead of being on this site, why don't you all get off your arses and start helping sort OUT this mixed up world, NO you wont your too lazy and that is why you are here seeking guidance off someone you don't even know.


Good Luck With Your Lives I Sincerely Mean That:


FreeWorld

I agree that this Jack is a character played by this girl. The stuff she talks about doesnt even make much sense. Stuff about what she is going through to be unique and many things beginning 2½ years ago, which was in 1998. If it was a real possession then I wouldnt think the being possessing the girl would care about timing something, setting years to stuff and actually knowing about time after its own death, but then the being isnt supposed to be from the realm of the dead? Or am I wrong? I havent looked much into this Destini character.

What I dont agree with though, is comming to this site out of laziness. Getting the world to wake up, is something I dont exactly believe in much. People wont wake up before they are ready to do so, and I dont even see it as something that needs to be rushed. However, sharing what you do know on forums like this, or with people with an interest in it, is something I would think important. There is probably truths to be found on the Destini site, but alot of it needs some serious filtering it seems.

I agree that it is very important to research stuff for yourself, but doing it on your own certainly isnt the most effective way to go. Comparing what you have discovered so far with what others have discovered, that is what I like the most about a site like this one.

And all this said, I believe that people should be allowed the freedom of choice to be leisure time truth seekers, half sheeple half truth seeker, if thats what they want. For every truth seeker even more filtering will be needed since it will never be 100% truth anyway.

[dondaz]

It's not really about fitting in mate it's about just being around the same people with the same mind set, i feel that if someone has the same mindset as me then i can listen and hopefully take on board what they have to share - Does that make sense?

Absolutely;)

I don't have answers, however i have theories which i just express mostly in my youtube & Google vids as i don't really want to get into strong debates on this forum and i can't stand bitchy comments that's not what i am here for!

What's yer Youtube channel, I'd love to check out your vids? Your face seems familier, if that's you in your avatar; though you could be reminding me of someone I knew many moons ago.

I think the meet-ups would be an idea that i would favour! I find it a lot easier to express my views and concerns vocally!

Yeah, the meet-ups are really cool, they're going on with members all over the world. The ball is rolling and many people on here are actually going out their doors to get the message out, make films and go to talks and events. Don't know whether you've seen this vid I made when we met up in Glastenbury, but it will give you a bit of an idea:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4323928805760172923

Don't forget the link to your vids, cheers!

[freeworld]

Absolutely;)



What's yer Youtube channel, I'd love to check out your vids? Your face seems familier, if that's you in your avatar; though you could be reminding me of someone I knew many moons ago.



Yeah, the meet-ups are really cool, they're going on with members all over the world. The ball is rolling and many people on here are actually going out their doors to get the message out, make films and go to talks and events. Don't know whether you've seen this vid I made when we met up in Glastenbury, but it will give you a bit of an idea:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4323928805760172923

Don't forget the link to your vids, cheers!

Hey Dondaz,

Link to my youtube page is as follows http://www.youtube.com/user/dnnyhoward

Yes it's me in the Avater lol

My Recommendation From My Videos:

GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT - END GAME - 2008 VIDEO - PART 1 - - YouTube

GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT - END GAME - 2008 VIDEO - PART 2 - - YouTube

[dangermouse]

Absolutely;)



What's yer Youtube channel, I'd love to check out your vids? Your face seems familier, if that's you in your avatar; though you could be reminding me of someone I knew many moons ago.



Yeah, the meet-ups are really cool, they're going on with members all over the world. The ball is rolling and many people on here are actually going out their doors to get the message out, make films and go to talks and events. Don't know whether you've seen this vid I made when we met up in Glastenbury, but it will give you a bit of an idea:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4323928805760172923

Don't forget the link to your vids, cheers!

Wow.. I had a similar meetup with counter strike players and we went camping and had a few drinks ... our clan( team) split after lol ..

I would like to go to one of Icke ones sometime :)

[shodan]

Hi,
I agree, she seems fake, (she looks like she's trying very hard not to laugh) and if so then I agree with your post almost entirely apart from the last sentence. I would have tried to leave on a positive to prevent division, not sure how I would of worded it though. enjoy.

[auntienana]

I thoroughly went over her website and this is what I found:

Her mother died when she was about 12. Her father remarried and the new step mom and she didn't get along so "Desteni" was punted out of the house. She ended up doing drugs, babysitting full time and waitressing at a coffee shop. Whereupon, she was "discovered" by some new agey type of guy who calls himself "Eagle" when his real name is something more like "Sidney".

She gave up the babysitting and waitress jobs and went to live with this guy. She changed her name to Desteni. She claims to be an "Indigo kid" and that she allowed demons to enter her and "experience themselves through her" whereupon they discovered they are really bad characters, change for the good and leave hell for white sandy beaches I suppose.. She claims to have trapped Satan in a psychic box until she felt she wanted to release him/it.
She exhorts people to dismiss their angels/spirit guides and to avoid the light

Her spelling is getting better, she likes to use the words "unified field" and "manifestation". She (and the people she channels) astonishingly likes to use her fingers to make the "quotation marks" gesture when she speaks.

In my opinion she is still hurting over her mother's death and her father's abandonment. I think she is young and emotionally/situationally vulnerable and has been taken advantage of by this guy who obviously became her saviour. Rescue me from a life of babysitting and waitressing, set me up in a house, cut my hair short and dye it blonde, make me an internet star and I'm all yours baby!

I"m not saying that people who have gone through some hard times don't have something legitimate to say but, honestly in light of these facts, I wouldn't even buy real estate from this little girl.

[elirien]

Now I know what I felt was coming across from her. Thank you auntieana. Its is very hard to not confuse individual problems, guilt, ego etc. with feelings of enlightenment.

Trying to prove a point or trying to impose ideas through ridicule and feelings of omnipotence is mostly defensive behavior imho.

[father ted]

I've seen 2 or 3 of his/her clips and in the one I just saw he/she keeps looking toward the left like he/she is reading a script. Dunno, but I can't really be fucked to go any further with this.

[freeworld]

Absolutely;)



What's yer Youtube channel, I'd love to check out your vids? Your face seems familier, if that's you in your avatar; though you could be reminding me of someone I knew many moons ago.



Yeah, the meet-ups are really cool, they're going on with members all over the world. The ball is rolling and many people on here are actually going out their doors to get the message out, make films and go to talks and events. Don't know whether you've seen this vid I made when we met up in Glastenbury, but it will give you a bit of an idea:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4323928805760172923

Don't forget the link to your vids, cheers!

When is the next meet up ?

[humanswin]

The desteni thing seemed like a scam to me from the start.She came to you tube about a month after I put out the bush vid deal,the views for the bush vid were just climbing and her first big vid was reptilian logic so I smelled opportunist(kinda like reptile woman).Whoever did their thing was very clever for not letting people comment,thus driving traffic to their website.I checked back later and was like damn,they have a thousand subscribers.I was disappointed,not surprised,the whole thing seeemed jokey and contrived,like anyone could say they channel anything-how can you verify that?..when there are so many real problems and hard truths to expose to people,I guess people will lap up some fantasy thing,rather than expose the NWO,chemtrails,rigged elections,murderous invasions..the list is long...thanks for david icke and what he does,expose reality.

[thorleyart]

she just doesnt make any sense... watched her vid for 10 mins... learned nothing. I'll leave it there

[amethyst]

What's your BS detector inside of you telling you?

If it smells like a skunk.........:rolleyes:

[romas]

Hello,

I've been listening to D. Icke for some time now and recently saw this Desteni producitons, well I'm not a "jump-to-conclusions-captain" but after watching nearly 50 videos and listening to some 50 more I can say that channeling part screams fake badly.

1. All of the channels have same body motion/expression, little smile etc.
2. Use same vocabulary, same "effect" terms over and over.
3. Use same voice
4. Alot of useless information, presented via that childish point of view.

Basically her story follows an extraterrestrial known as "Anu" he believed gold was necessary for his peoples survival so he came to this planet which then was not formed into 3D matter back then yet, was sound-wave or something based and inhabited by beings known as atlanteans and eventually enslaved them into human-form for basically eternity via "death-reincarnation" cycle...

What's funny is I really felt that this was copy-cat information, mixed up and recycled for another "true" story, I have been watching whole lot of stuff in my time, from your basic history channel UFO series to M. Tsarion, Dr. Michou Kaku, Steven Greer's Disclosure project, Eduard "Billy" Meier, Clifford Stone and recently pleasant Camelot project, ofcourse D. Icke himself and many many more. She denies everything and everyone and if you question anything you are SELF DISHONEST! Well I have not words.....

So I went to their forum and posted some friendly questions, trying to believe the stuff that's basically unbelievable due to fact that she claims the "mind" is not to be trusted, yet she is posting under name "CommonSense" point me logic here please.

http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31829#31829

But, I found alot of very interesting links on their forums, so I say even in most elaborate lies you can find something good :)

[himram abif]

I have forgiven myself for allowing myself to watch that shite:D:D

[truthseekeruk]

Okay I have just watched the beginning of a video and as far as I am concerned this is girl is genuine.

I will go back and watch more videos but my gut feelings are that this girl is real.

Not is it just the videos that confirmed this its the reactions on this thread.

If you did not take this desteni seriously why have you even bothered to follow what they have done. It seems that many have analysed her motives/background/character trying to find reasons to discredit and prove that desteni is fake or a charlatan. WHY?

I am going to say what I think here. I dont care about fitting in. We dont have time for BS and beating about the bush.

I see that there are many trying to spread a message in their own way and there are egos (right ways/wrong ways) at work here. One posting that confirms how seriously this girl is taken is this one.

[QUOTE]The desteni thing seemed like a scam to me from the start.She came to you tube about a month after I put out the bush vid deal,the views for the bush vid were just climbing and her first big vid was reptilian logic so I smelled opportunist(kinda like reptile woman).Whoever did their thing was very clever for not letting people comment,thus driving traffic to their website.I checked back later and was like damn,they have a thousand subscribers.I was disappointed,not surprised,the whole thing seeemed jokey and contrived,like anyone could say they channel anything-how can you verify that?..when there are so many real problems and hard truths to expose to people,I guess people will lap up some fantasy thing,rather than expose the NWO,chemtrails,rigged elections,murderous invasions..the list is long...thanks for david icke and what he does,expose reality.[/QUO

I see time and time again that many give the same message but in the diferent way and those who are trying to spread the message try to discredit others.

What made me appreciate the power this girl has is the way others have reacted to her. She has invoked extreme reaction. My experience in all this is that only something which is powerful and real invokes extremes reactions.

I feel confusion as what comes across to me is that a few are troubled by how they feel they feel something strong but are trying to to apply logic and human analysis to it - therefore they seek "others" opinions as to how to feel.

Why take this girl seriously

1. she is young
2. she is female
3. she has a dubiious background

This is why she is getting this reaction, mostly by males I must say.

She is not what most of us growing up in a patriarchial society would expect from a "leader" or "messenger" - she is totally wrong isnt she? If she was a middle aged fella she would stand a better chance of being taken seriously.

I will add that I have only seen this thread this morning I dont know any background on desteni but reading the thread seeing the confusions (what do you think?) tells me that you all know there is something about this girl but you are too afraid to admit it and want others opinions on her.

Its not just watching a few minutes of her video that convinced me its the reponses i have seen posted here. Attempts to apply logic, analysising character, whether or not she is lying or fake (speaks to me of confusion). Once one person said fake others agreed.

No offence people but this is my reaction and opinion. I for one believe this girl is GENUINE thanks for the links I am off to check out more.

Peace all x

[romas]

I think you need to watch more of those, especially channeling, it looks real at first but then you realise it's actually not. Read some forums, all the answers given etc, seems like a cult.

The whole idea if you really understand it, is insane. Leaves to much room for self doubt and speculation.

Though she is interesting and there are good links on those forums for some education even.

[truthseekeruk]

I think you need to watch more of those, especially channeling, it looks real at first but then you realise it's actually not. Read some forums, all the answers given etc, seems like a cult.

The whole idea if you really understand it, is insane. Leaves to much room for self doubt and speculation.

Though she is interesting and there are good links on those forums for some education even.

thank you romas this is what I intend to do. I posted my initial reaction. I felt she was genuine in the few mins of vid i watched. What spoke volumes to me is the reactions that she evokes. Its extreme she is loved or hated no inbetween. This tells me that whatever or whoever she is evokes a strong reaction in others. If she was a fake and a charlatan people would laugh and dismiss her. I see people desparately trying to find reasons as to why they CANT or WONT believe fighting something. And seeking advice from others (ie what do you think?)

The fact that someone feels the need to post abut her, to watch her progress to visit the site shows me just how seriously she is taken. Now if she was not worth the effort, why would people go out of their way to pull her to pieces? This is where i feel the egos come into play.

I will keep watching as its the reactions that have fuled my curiiosity.

when u post things "like the whole idea if you understand it?" Does that imply that I dont know enough to give an opinion? - from past experience i have found information overload to be a bad thing. There is too much for one person to know everything. By looking more and more at a subject I sometimes become hampered and i have difficulty digesting the facts. I work by following gut instincts I go by how I feel? If it feels right I then look further into it. So far I have had success. Its only when I become influenced by others and go against myself voice that I tend to get confused. I am a stickler for the truth. The one person I always make a point of being honest with is myself.

I think we all have to find out own way. We all have a different message/perception and understanding. I just wish that people would stop listening to their egos by trying to assassinate and attack others. Thats negative and wastes time and energy.

Peace x

[danster82]

I don’t see why another being couldn’t channel through someone but that doesn’t necessarily mean that this being has higher knowledge. I already know through my own discernment and information sources that the story of the annunaki creating humans to mine gold is false. If this was true do you think you could accumulate vast amounts of gold with the use of money which is another created system? We were genetically manipulated in the past but not for gold mining purposes but to keep us in a low vibrational state so we act as mechanisms that can step down energy to a low enough state that "they" can consume it and sustain their lives. why? because they are no longer connected to source (god) but you are.

[amethyst]

I think this poor girl is being used and is being deceived.

[thirdwave]

I also agree with Lime.... I actually think she is just taking the piss... I don't think she is crazy or trying to make a buck, I think she is taking the piss out of mediums and she makes no sense what's so ever for me personally...

I was quite surprised when I saw she/they have a website up as i originally saw her videos on youtube and just thought she was a sceptic taking the piss....

this is what they do to create a "new age" thing... and people will use things like this to cover all of it to make it easier to discredit other genuine sources.

that's my view on her anyway. Its not I don't buy that people can do stuff like she does, I just don't think she is very interesting or genuine.

[truthseekeruk]

tee hee - sorry to chuckle but i am being entertained by the reasons that are used to prove this girl a fake. It seems that just abuot everything that can be used is being used against her. Problem is that in my book that means she is taken seriously why? if you thought she was a fake why bother to explain in detail so much in fact why not just dismiss her? I would only bother to oppose and justify my reasons for opposing somethign or something I took very seriously or felt very strongly about. :D

My logic is that if you go out of your way to prove and discredit something or someone it means you take that someone seriously and actually give them credibility by investing so much time and effort into debunking them.

I know there is an awful lot of suspicion about who is genuine and who isnt but I have a simple way of deciding. I listen notjust with my ears but with my heart and soul. So far i have managed pretty well.

I believe that there has to be many messengers there are billions of people on the planet so i think there is enough work for all of them to do. Live and let live and just concentrate on the bigger picture.

Peace and blessings all x

[siscid]

Wow.. I had a similar meetup with counter strike players and we went camping and had a few drinks ... our clan( team) split after lol ..

Lol dangermouse, you played counter-strike as well? Man, that was the best game for such a long time.

Siscid

[razed1]

I would really appreciate your honest thoughts in this thread WITHOUT any bitching (People Tend To Bitch When They Feel Their Beliefs Are Being Attacked) if possible.

The Website Destini - Universe http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewforum.php?f=30

I have just had a good afternoon Analyzing this website and the type of people that are compelled to join and follow this your girl called Jack, i have a feeling most people are aware of this site, i just wanted to hear your views on the person and the actual site? I just want to know how other peoples minds work on here, hopefully the feedback is what i am hoping to hear, that way i will feel like im a member of the right site.

This is what i have just posted on the site and i am now awaiting a reply, i think ill get the typical response!

People really need to start getting a grip on their own reality and start taking control of their own lives, you all should not be needing to be led, stop being sheep, start getting a grip and sort your own lives out! Stop needing someone to guide you, don't you realize that is what your big problem is, i admit that the person on these videos is quite an intelligent spoken person who makes sense and due to that sense we all go ummm this person makes great sense let's check out another video and then you go ooooo that makes sense too. Right now you think to yourself that whatever this person now states i am going to almost believe it and let this person take over my inner self, this kind of thing happens every day in your normal lives and you are unaware cos you are conditioned since birth to be a follower and not a leader, a free thinker, someone who makes their own reality, you have one life in this current world, frequency, plain or whatever you want to call it so make sure it is one that you can look back on in your last moments and simply smile knowing that you lived a good life.

Instead of being on this site, why don't you all get off your arses and start helping sort OUT this mixed up world, NO you wont your too lazy and that is why you are here seeking guidance off someone you don't even know.

We must be the dumbest race in the universe, no wonder people get treated the way they do!

And if your going to reply to this comment at least have a free thinking mind not a conditioned one, listen to your heart, your emotions and let them guide you! Start listening to yourself and not others, forget what you have been taught or think you have learned, why do you think this person can easily manipulate you! Well it's very easy as long as your highly intelligent and you know the way the human mind thinks and what it reacts too! And if you think YOUR intelligent then you are more exposed to being led than anyone else, however if you have common sense combined with your intelligence, your own mind, your own intuitions, then you will be more free than you can ever know!!

I pity people that are not in tune with their own mind, their own inner self. You have amazing potential but i am afraid to say that most of you will never find it!

Good Luck With Your Lives I Sincerely Mean That:


FreeWorld

but dont you think someone could make the same argument against you being on D.Icke's site?

i think your post had a good messge, if you had kept the "get off this site and sort out the world" part, i dont think you wouldve been banned or anythinng

but you basically just dissed the person running the site and the ppl there, and what reaction were you expecting from them??

[dangermouse]

Lol dangermouse, you played counter-strike as well? Man, that was the best game for such a long time.

Siscid

I still do :)

and I doubt CS is a government sponsored game since it was developed by a few geeks as a mod. since its 10 years old I think its safe to say its a classic :P

And yeah that girl just did not click with me at all. I found the whole thing uninteresting especially after the galactic confederation rubbish

[optimus prime]

I have now been BANNED due to what i have wrote above! I did not even get a response back, now that seems dodgy to me!

People don't agree with you, big deal?

Either stop being too precious about your opinions or grow a thicker skin. The vast majority out here don't have the same ideas as you, and why should they? Be happy and content with your own belief and fuck what any one else thinks. And stop asking other people what they think about what you think or write, you'll know soon enough, and most of them will see whatever it is differently, as they should.

[thirdwave]

People don't agree with you, big deal?

Either stop being too precious about your opinions or grow a thicker skin. The vast majority out here don't have the same ideas as you, and why should they? Be happy and content with your own belief and fuck what any one else thinks. And stop asking other people what they think about what you think or write, you'll know soon enough, and most of them will see whatever it is differently, as they should.

I think you have kind of missed his point.

[thirdwave]

if you thought she was a fake why bother to explain in detail so much in fact why not just dismiss her?


mmmm

have you seen the thread title??

"Your Thoughts Please On This!"

[truthseekeruk]

mmmm

have you seen the thread title??

yes I did and I also read the post and and subsequent comment(s). Its like a reenactment of parliament voting ayes to the right and nos to the left. Fake fraud or real - whats your opinion? I havent actually seen anyone say this person isnt a fraud the general consesus is to dismiss and prove her a fake.

If I have mistook the purpose then please feel free to enlighten me. As I said I am here to learn.

[optimus prime]

I think you have kind of missed his point.

lol Don't you think that you missed mine?

Read my original post again and then apply it to your comments above.

[thirdwave]

I have now been BANNED due to what i have wrote above! I did not even get a response back, now that seems dodgy to me!

I also notice they don't allow any comments on the youtube vids.....

[beldazar]

Hehe, nice one freeworld, a guy called ashyr kept posting vids of his/hers/its on this forum, im afraid i couldnt stand to watch a vid all the way through, she seemed so patronising, not the way i should imagine a higher being would behave. She irritated the hell out of me and i very rarely come across anyone who has that effect! :)

[tehuti]

Hehe, nice one freeworld, a guy called ashyr kept posting vids of his/hers/its on this forum, im afraid i couldnt stand to watch a vid all the way through, she seemed so patronising, not the way i should imagine a higher being would behave. She irritated the hell out of me and i very rarely come across anyone who has that effect! :)

she talks rubbish,very briefly.

[beldazar]

thats right, 'briefly' is all i can stand, very briefly! :D

[romas]

Ok so lets discuss the core message she is indoctrinating to believers.

- You can't trust your own mind, you can't trust your feelings because they are program part of your programmed mind, you can't trust anyone outside of yourself and you must focus on yourself all the god damn time parying shit like
"I forgive myself for XxX" on and on.

[johntrevy]

"- You can't trust your own mind, you can't trust your feelings because they are program part of your programmed mind, you can't trust anyone outside of yourself and you must focus on yourself all the god damn time parying shit like
"I forgive myself for XxX" on and on."

-Hmmmmmm, selfishness and isolation?just what the Elite ordered. You couldnt have come anytime sooner??

[zero1]

I always thought the Desteni Productions channeler was a young BOY...

Now I feel like a dumbass. :o

[skylark]

great first postDondaz; i'm with ya!, well said!.....& The Very Best to All

[john white]

It's exactly the feedback i wanted, thanks Limelady, i just wanted to see how easy ppl can be taken in when someone presents them self to be knowledgeable and that knowledge makes sense, i just wanted to make sure that ppl on this were not like that, i don't know you see because i am new and have not got to know the members on here that well as of yet!

Thanks for the Feedback! Appreciated.


In my experiance: You'd be amazed mate

There are most certainly people "out there", especially on the internet, who become imbalanced and quite addicted to meddling with the minds of others, usually becuase they cant handle the emotional pain of dealing with their own confusion. However bad you might imagine that could be: its usually worse, and "alternative thought" attracts these people very strongly, simply becuase its so much easier to fool an open mind without experiance than a clsoed mind that denies experiance. Usually there is a history of imbalnced reaction to the ideas of others behind the need to impose their own imbalance

There are many good people on this forum: but there are also more than a few who match my desciption above. However, that doesnt mean that anyone can or nessacarily should be "protected" from them. Ulitmately we have to make our own damn minds up if we truly value self determination, self responsibility and freedom

With reagrds this particular person "destrani" its prety ordinary stuff as far as bollocks channeling goes: it just doesnt feel right. Motivation? Who knows. Probably "Destrani" doesnt herself. Mind you I've yet to meet any source of channeling that can tell anyone anything the person in a body right next to them could'nt (at least potentially) tell them instead and to a large extent interest in channeling as some sort of higher information source is simply the result of mundane human vanity. Its "cooler" to be told something by some mysterious alien or some such and acts as a protective barrier against the transformative power of telling oneself what one really needs to know

Eseentially the only good infomration in channeling always boils down to no different than basic common sense. To actually need a channel to grasp common sense is a somewhat sad and pathetic position to be in

[truthseekeruk]

In my experiance: You'd be amazed mate

There are most certainly people "out there", especially on the internet, who become imbalanced and quite addicted to meddling with the minds of others, usually becuase they cant handle the emotional pain of dealing with their own confusion. However bad you might imagine that could be: its usually worse, and "alternative thought" attracts these people very strongly, simply becuase its so much easier to fool an open mind without experiance than a clsoed mind that denies experiance. Usually there is a history of imbalnced reaction to the ideas of others behind the need to impose their own imbalance

On the surface of things what a great argument. But you miss one very important point. People with these types of imbalances tend to become very closed off and avoid others. They usually choose to isolate themselves and distrust others become loners. So why would someone who was in so much pain create even more pain by opening themselves up to ridicule? Do you remember the Icke wogan interview? The humiliation David suffered. I believe that people who have suffered have greater awareness and knowledge of human nature therefore they are more open minded to the possibility that the damage is done deliberately. My own perception is the damage I saw done to my own children by vaccines. I tried to believe that it was a horrible accident and it was not deliberate. But the more I tried to find out answers and the reaction I was facing from the establishment convinced me that the damage done was deliberate and intentional. Because the illuminati feed off the emotion and pain of mankind. When we fight become emotion go to war cause pain to others that feeds them and they become stronger. Thats why they create chaos. Love truly is the only way to defeat them.

There are many good people on this forum: but there are also more than a few who match my desciption above. However, that doesnt mean that anyone can or nessacarily should be "protected" from them. Ulitmately we have to make our own damn minds up if we truly value self determination, self responsibility and freedom



We are free to make up our own minds. I hope there are many good people on this forum but I suspect there are many who deliberately like to create confusion and conflict and there is a lot of negative thoughts on here too. I wonder who benefits from all this?

[truthseekeruk]

Ok so lets discuss the core message she is indoctrinating to believers.

- You can't trust your own mind, you can't trust your feelings because they are program part of your programmed mind, you can't trust anyone outside of yourself and you must focus on yourself all the god damn time parying shit like
"I forgive myself for XxX" on and on.

You know you cant really trust your own mind and senses because the education system and society has taught us to ignore what is in front of you and to rely on things you can see directly in front of you. Seeing is believing? Our minds have been closed off deliberately to keep us in fear and pain and doubting. It makes us easier to control.

[john white]

On the surface of things what a great argument. But you miss one very important point. People with these types of imbalances tend to become very closed off and avoid others. They usually choose to isolate themselves and distrust others become loners. So why would someone who was in so much pain create even more pain by opening themselves up to ridicule? Do you remember the Icke wogan interview? The humiliation David suffered. I believe that people who have suffered have greater awareness and knowledge of human nature therefore they are more open minded to the possibility that the damage is done deliberately.

And you are right here Truthseekeruk... but I wasnt reffering to people trying to encourage others to share their beliefs... I was refering to people who try and mess with the minds of those who hold beliefs too similar to the beliefs that caused those people pain. Thus manipulating the perceptions of those who hold the ideas that are painful to those individuals as a result of finding the truthseeking proces too difficult becomes a form of emotional release. The nature of this realtionship is ususally hidden from themselves behind a belief they are "doing other people a favour" or "rescuing people" by this process of spreading deliberate lies and deceptions

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave, and what it does to an individuals self worth when they become addicted to the behaviour of lying and decieving

[romas]

You know you cant really trust your own mind and senses because the education system and society has taught us to ignore what is in front of you and to rely on things you can see directly in front of you. Seeing is believing? Our minds have been closed off deliberately to keep us in fear and pain and doubting. It makes us easier to control.


Well who says I was affected by education level? It's assuming it did get everyone, well if had then we wouldn't be even discussing it now.

Only problem here is if you can't trust your mind, but you can trust this "prophet" or "teacher" then wehey! A new religion! No questions asked, just follow the boss, you smelly sheep!

[truthseekeruk]

And you are right here Truthseekeruk... but I wasnt reffering to people trying to encourage others to share their beliefs... I was refering to people who try and mess with the minds of those who hold beliefs too similar to the beliefs that caused those people pain. Thus manipulating the perceptions of those who hold the ideas that are painful to those individuals as a result of finding the truthseeking proces too difficult becomes a form of emotional release. The nature of this realtionship is ususally hidden from themselves behind a belief they are "doing other people a favour" or "rescuing people" by this process of spreading deliberate lies and deceptions

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave, and what it does to an individuals self worth when they become addicted to the behaviour of lying and decieving

So its up to the individual to go with whom they feel is right? A personal choice. There are many views and many different messages. Who appoints those who try to badmouth and debunk others for spreading their message. If you travel down this path you are in danger of preaching at others and telling them what to believe and not what to believe.

[truthseekeruk]

Well who says I was affected by education level? It's assuming it did get everyone, well if had then we wouldn't be even discussing it now.

Only problem here is if you can't trust your mind, but you can trust this "prophet" or "teacher" then wehey! A new religion! No questions asked, just follow the boss, you smelly sheep!

Romas with all due respect the education system is designed to kill creativity and to train/brainwash people to mould them into "citizens". Education is not geared towards individuality, its geared to train the individual to fit in with society.

I like sheep btw so dont call them smelly:(

[skylark]

In my experiance: You'd be amazed mate



Eseentially the only good infomration in channeling always boils down to no different than basic common sense. To actually need a channel to grasp common sense is a somewhat sad and pathetic position to be in

uh? what ARE you talking about, John?.. since when has common sense been the ultimate barometer of meaning?...common sense told our ancestors that the world was flat...common sense told us that the sun revolved around the earth...common sense TELLS us that Newtonian mechanical Laws underpin the Universe; that virtually ALL of quantum mechanics, the nature of which is the very antithesis of commen sense, doesn't!...and i could go on, but so much for common sense when investigating fundamental questions!..we are often -infact more often than not -forced to abandon it!

Also, in my view-and i'm in exalted company-i'd say that anyone with...i hesitate to say... 'an ounce of common sense 'who's researched this breathtaking phenomenon would attest that there are many very powerful and self-evidently authentic channellers & channelled entities out there; but that's up to you, i'm not looking to convert you---

Best wishes

[john white]

And you are right here Truthseekeruk... but I wasnt reffering to people trying to encourage others to share their beliefs... I was refering to people who try and mess with the minds of those who hold beliefs too similar to the beliefs that caused those people pain. Thus manipulating the perceptions of those who hold the ideas that are painful to those individuals as a result of finding the truthseeking proces too difficult becomes a form of emotional release. The nature of this realtionship is ususally hidden from themselves behind a belief they are "doing other people a favour" or "rescuing people" by this process of spreading deliberate lies and deceptions

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave, and what it does to an individuals self worth when they become addicted to the behaviour of lying and decieving

So its up to the individual to go with whom they feel is right? A personal choice. There are many views and many different messages. Who appoints those who try to badmouth and debunk others for spreading their message. If you travel down this path you are in danger of preaching at others and telling them what to believe and not what to believe.

Again I completely agree with you: trying to impose what to think is as abhorant to me as I am confident it is to you

However thats not what I'm expressing:

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave, and what it does to an individuals self worth when they become addicted to the behaviour of lying and decieving

Its the pattern behind the thought that counts: the thought itself is merely the surface, and largely simply something for the minor part of our awareness that is the "conscious" mind to hang onto

[truthseekeruk]

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave, and what it does to an individuals self worth when they become addicted to the behaviour of lying and decieving

Its the pattern behind the thought that counts: the thought itself is merely the surface, and largely simply something for the minor part of our awareness that is the "conscious" mind to hang onto

Interesting but can you not see the words

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing, and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave,


In order to decide who has strayed and needs rescuing you would have to impose your judgement and ultimately opinion and will on another. Where did you assume this authority who asked you or appointed you to? This is where I fear ego can come into the frame. If you look at your statement objectively its bordering on arrogance.

The mirror of our conscious mind is our "sub-conscious" mind. Do you know how the sub-conscious works, in order that you can decide for others what they are to believe in?

I am not attacking your views or statement I am merely giving you my interpretation of your words.

Peace x

[john white]

uh? what ARE you talking about, John?.. since when has common sense been the ultimate barometer of meaning?...common sense told our ancestors that the world was flat...common sense told us that the sun revolved around the earth...common sense TELLS us that Newtonian mechanical Laws underpin the Universe; that virtually ALL of quantum mechanics, the nature of which is the very antithesis of commen sense, doesn't!...and i could go on, but so much for common sense when investigating fundamental questions!..we are often -infact more often than not -forced to abandon it!

Also, in my view-and i'm in exalted company-i'd say that anyone with...i hesitate to say... 'an ounce of common sense 'who's researched this breathtaking phenomenon would attest that there are many very powerful and self-evidently authentic channellers & channelled entities out there; but that's up to you, i'm not looking to convert you---

Best wishes

Ok lets put it this way:

There are various forms of information that comes out of channeling

It might be "in the distant past the wise ones of nanu lived in a crystal kingdom of enlightenment" or "their was a war between the gods in the sky" or "we have come to help you evolve to the next level of consciousness" or maybe "the ascended masters are sending the healing vibrations to the people of earth now"

Ok cool nothing wrong with thinking about it, may even be truth in it: but what actual USE is it? How does it actually help? Its an expansion of the creatie imagination to consider the possibilities and that useful in itself: but actual on-the-ground transformative usefullness? Basically Zilch, other than as part of a wider process of demolishing internal myth structure by continously replacing it until the nature of the mental myth structure is actually exposed to the self

Anither form of information from channeling is more pertinant, along the lines of "you are a spiritual being" "everything is energy" "everything is connected" and that level of info (basuic spiritual truths) is useful as a pointer down the road that leads to actually exepriencing these things personally as part of awakening gnosis. Knowing something is there to be understood is a helpful step in going on to understand it: but its still of releatviely limited usefullness simply to be told these things and the cultures of the world are replete with this information in sacred texts and wise words created by and spoken by incarnated human beings over thousands of years. Theres no harm hearing it again from a channeled source but its actual orginality value is rather limited

And then there is the true "common sense" information such as "do unto others what you would have done unto you" "treat each other well" "care for each other and the world" and so on

Ok again great but if it actual takes a channel to get that across then we really are in the deep deep crap. Maybe that is the case: but I dont personally belive so

Now as for it being "common sense" that the world is flat etc, well thats the prevelant world view an a certain point in history and yes, the newtonian model works on an observational level based on the input (limitation) of the perceptions of the body so I can see why therre is some confusion over what I'm articulating, but I'm not talking about common sense in terms of a common belief system but rather as common sense in terms of the essential interests of life and the balanced living of an existance as a human being in a shared community of human beings

Whether those humans think the world is flat, round, or made of sponge cake really doesnt matter so much

Also be careful not to subconciously embrace quantum physics etc as "the ultimate truth": thats the way to simply build a newer prison for the self

Its just a model, and the only difference between the "cutting edge" model of quantum physics and the "world is flat" model is the continued progression of conceptualisations within the group mind over the short elapse of time represented by a few centuries

Give it a thousand years and that model will quite possibly seem hopelessly outdated and the kind of thing only a complete moron could believe nowadays

Anyway, to return to the point, sure everyone can find value in channeling if they wish, everyone can find value anywhere they chose to, but its my observation that in terms of actually being nessacary: channeling isnt, and simply cant tell us anything that another human being or our own experiance cant tell us: its no more nessacary, or defacto desirable, that a relgious model, and just as likely to become yet another prison for an individuals awareness

Am I right? Does it matter? Should you care about what I think? Do I care about what I think? Make whatever determination you wish

[john white]

Interesting but can you not see the words


In order to decide who has strayed and needs rescuing you would have to impose your judgement and ultimately opinion and will on another. Where did you assume this authority who asked you or appointed you to? This is where I fear ego can come into the frame. If you look at your statement objectively its bordering on arrogance.

The mirror of our conscious mind is our "sub-conscious" mind. Do you know how the sub-conscious works, in order that you can decide for others what they are to believe in?

I am not attacking your views or statement I am merely giving you my interpretation of your words.

Peace x

Okay fine just stick in:

I have a different view of who actually needs rescuing (if anyone could be considered to need rescuing at all), and it isnt based on what anybody believes, but rather on how people behave,

And theres that problem solved: cross reference "common sense"

By all means consider my expression arrogant if you wish: I assure you I simply do not care, and in that it very well may be arrogant: but if it is, and considering this is David Ickes web forum, I'm in good company there

The mirror of our conscious mind is our "sub-conscious" mind. Do you know how the sub-conscious works, in order that you can decide for others what they are to believe in?


Let me try to express this clearer and more succinctly:

I dont give the slightest damn what anyone believes, what their views are, what they think the truth is, how they see the meaning of life

I simply care whether or not they are acting like a right cunt, and I include lies and deceptions and manipulations in my definition of "cunt like" behaviour

Thats my subjective ego based determination to make, and I claim the authority to make it for myself based on my personal inviolable self-soverignty from which my (and everybody else's with their own) freedom derives

True, it could be argued that considering anyone elses behaviour "cuntish" is in and of itself a form of imposition and just as likely to lead to oppression in some form or another, but if that were the case, I would simply exert my own self determination to say "sod that fer a game of monkey's silly buggers is silly buggers and i cant be doing with it"

Thast just how it is, I have never claimed any form of perfection LOLZ

[truthseekeruk]

And theres that problem solved: cross reference "common sense[QUOTE]

But in whose opinion does that construe common sense? Yours, mine, Joe public? Therefore by default you are influencing others what to believe by ridiculing anyone who chooses a different path than you?

Now following your advice and using my common sense that smacks to me of "cuntish" behaviour :confused: do you now ridicule me for not agreeing with you or your motives?

[QUOTE]By all means consider my expression arrogant if you wish: I assure you I simply do not care, and in that it very well may be arrogant: but if it is, and considering this is David Ickes web forum, I'm in good company there


Unforunately from reading through some of the posts I have to agree with you. But there again there are many who try to do the opposite. In my experience agressive posters such as yourself can actually deter others from posting their views because they fear these posters will attempt to ridicule them? I really think that the people who really do care may well decide its pointless to become embroiled with petty point scoring and ego bruising.

Let me try to express this clearer and more succinctly:

I dont give the slightest damn what anyone believes, what their views are, what they think the truth is, how they see the meaning of life

I simply care whether or not they are acting like a right cunt, and I include lies and deceptions and manipulations in my definition of "cunt like" behaviour

Thats my subjective ego based determination to make, and I claim the authority to make it for myself based on my personal inviolable self-soverignty from which my (and everybody else's with their own) freedom derives

True, it could be argued that considering anyone elses behaviour "cuntish" is in and of itself a form of imposition and just as likely to lead to oppression in some form or another, but if that were the case, I would simply exert my own self determination to say "sod that fer a game of monkey's silly buggers is silly buggers and i cant be doing with it"

Thast just how it is, I have never claimed any form of perfection LOLZ

very self effacing words there. But you have just contradicted yourself. If you didnt care you wouldnt post but instead you choose to post thereby you DO CARE very much what others think.

Again I ask why, what gives you the right, to feel its okay for you to try to force others to agree with your point of view and opinion? and ridicule those who dont? This smacks of the methods used by the elite....

Peace x

[romas]

Romas with all due respect the education system is designed to kill creativity and to train/brainwash people to mould them into "citizens". Education is not geared towards individuality, its geared to train the individual to fit in with society.

I like sheep btw so dont call them smelly:(


Yes yes :) but let's not go off subject :P

[john white]

very self effacing words there. But you have just contradicted yourself. If you didnt care you wouldnt post but instead you choose to post thereby you DO CARE very much what others think.


Unforunately from reading through some of the posts I have to agree with you. But there again there are many who try to do the opposite. In my experience agressive posters such as yourself can actually deter others from posting their views because they fear these posters will attempt to ridicule them? I really think that the people who really do care may well decide its pointless to become embroiled with petty point scoring and ego bruising.


LOL! Now whose doing it heh?

I'm "arrogant" and aggressive" and "egotistic" and "point scoring", apparently

Well if you chose to see me that way go ahead, i'll see that as somewhat amusing since I'm on this thread largely agreeing with you



"I contradict myself? Very well I contradict myself. I am Large: I contain multitudes"

Macalypse the Younger

Actually I do think its possible to express ones opinion in communal activity without having any interest in what others make of that opinion: thats there business not mine. Sorry to be boring, but thats actually a solidly Ickian POV

If you follow it through though, your infering that its only possible to express any opinion in anyway if one needs other people to agree with it

Would you say thats a fair description of what motivates you to post your replies? I reckon probably not: I reckon you post simply becuase you express what seems right to you

LOL Otherwise what would a forum represent? A community of people making internet posts becasue, deep down, they just want to be loved?

Of course that may actually be true but it doesnt mean that why people hit the "submit reply" button

[beldazar]

our john is certainly not aggressive. He comes across as a very intelligent man, my opinion anyway :)
I know that I dismissed desenti but I didnt go looking for any of this, it was pure 'coincidence', I have been guided but not on a conscious level. Desenti put me off, I have no idea why, everything else I have at least been able to listen to, there is a reason why but Im buggered if I know.
You could say it is because she has a message I am not willing to hear but I doubt it. I heard her supposedly channeling Ian Lundgold, it screamed out 'what a load of crap', I am quite open minded usually.......

[truthseekeruk]

LOL! Now whose doing it heh?

I'm "arrogant" and aggressive" and "egotistic" and "point scoring", apparently

Well if you chose to see me that way go ahead, i'll see that as somewhat amusing since I'm on this thread largely agreeing with you

The examples given above are examples of "bullying" and "ridiculing" of opposing opinions they are not specifically aimed at you unless you feel they describe you, but merely show how forms of bullying can occurr on internet forums. Agression can be interpreted with the use of profanities.

Actually I do think its possible to express ones opinion in communal activity without having any interest in what others make of that opinion: thats there business not mine. Sorry to be boring, but thats actually a solidly Ickian POV

Agreed. But when you attack/ridicule others for holding an opposing view it then becomes a question of imposing your view on another in order to win an argument.

If you follow it through though, your infering that its only possible to express any opinion in anyway if one needs other people to agree with it

Would you say thats a fair description of what motivates you to post your replies? I reckon probably not: I reckon you post simply becuase you express what seems right to you

LOL Otherwise what would a forum represent? A community of people making internet posts becasue, deep down, they just want to be loved?

Of course that may actually be true but it doesnt mean that why people hit the "submit reply" button

You are correct again I post my views and opinions thats why i post. By highlighting or seemingly to take issue with a particular statement or phrase that someone else has posted. I merely give my interrpretation of how I interrpreted those words or viewpoint hoping for further clarification.

There is a difference between aggression and asking for clarification or perhaps reasons why it is someone feels the need to impose a viewpoint or opinion on another by ridiculing an opposing viewpoint?

My views are my views. Just as your views are your views. We have the right to disagree thats the beauty of forums like this.

But I dont ridicule others or attempt to impose my views on them by accusing them of being illinformed or mislead or stupid.

Its clear that you obvously dont feel this person is genuine. Thats your choice and I accept that. I am asking you why is okay to attack others by questioning their judgement if they appear to believe differently?

[truthseekeruk]

our john is certainly not aggressive. He comes across as a very intelligent man, my opinion anyway :)
I know that I dismissed desenti but I didnt go looking for any of this, it was pure 'coincidence', I have been guided but not on a conscious level. Desenti put me off, I have no idea why, everything else I have at least been able to listen to, there is a reason why but Im buggered if I know.
You could say it is because she has a message I am not willing to hear but I doubt it. I heard her supposedly channeling Ian Lundgold, it screamed out 'what a load of crap', I am quite open minded usually.......

You are perfectly entitled to follow what you believe is right but I dont see you questioning or ridiculing others who hold an opposing viewpoint. Incidentally, I didnt say "your john" was aggressive, he choose to assume that my words applied to him specifically when I was simply giving examples of how bullying takes place on net forums such as this and how sometimes it may just put others off from posting their viewpoint because of the fear of ridicule.

All I asked from him was how he justified ridiculing others who dont agree with him?

p.s. for the record I also think he comes across as an intelligent man.

[beldazar]

hey! No need to put that in brackets, lol, I suppose I felt like defending him bercause he helped me out of a mess when I first got into this and I thank him for that. No, I do try not to argue against someones beliefs but I do forget sometimes, Im still human but Im working on it ;)

[truthseekeruk]

hey! No need to put that in brackets, lol, I suppose I felt like defending him bercause he helped me out of a mess when I first got into this and I thank him for that. No, I do try not to argue against someones beliefs but I do forget sometimes, Im still human but Im working on it ;)

I respect your loyalty - but to err is human and lord knows I have done more than my fair share of erring - guess that means I am not perfect either :(

[skylark]

Hi John, just to address yr point to me re. quantum; i'm using it as an example to dismantle yr remarks vis-a-vis common sense: i have a deep and abiding interest in physics and the philisophy thereof-but OFCOURSE it is a model!...a model that seeks to describe the nature of reality and in so doing runs counter to common sense.

Best wishes

[freeworld]

I have just been reading the posts in this thread i made and i am still sat here chuckling now. The Destini boy/girl is certainly fake and i have been open minded.

he/she does come across quite intelligent but as i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it.

However i personally feel there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.

Peace - FreeWorld ;)

[skylark]

However i personally feel there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child.


then why START a thread on it??? i ask with affection coz i think the debate's been very good/enjoyed it/even contributed-i'm better for it;particularly some of truthseekers comments-shows what a high quality of membership we have here....great forum/great thread...& as Dondaz says you use yr discrimination...

[truthseekeruk]

I have just been reading the posts in this thread i made and i am still sat here chuckling now. The Destini boy/girl is certainly fake and i have been open minded.

he/she does come across quite intelligent but as i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it.

However i personally feel there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.

Peace - FreeWorld ;)

Ditto what skylark said, since you confess to being a

"i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it."


Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.


You are effectively telling others how to use and post to this site. Your knowledge is of a "salesman" who enjoys manipulating others. What knowledge are you here to share? Your words are indicative of an individaul who is very self opinionated and self-orientated (egotistical?).

You made one fatal mistake here, you betrayed your own ego by telling us your motives and admitting you deliberately tried to manipulate us. You then have the stupidity to admit you find it amusing? I sincerely hope you are not trying to build up a fan club/base on here, because I would rather go join the Densti Club thanks.

Sharing knowledge is not spouting your opinions at others and expecting them to agree it also doesnt mean manipulation either.

Good exercise but aside from a chuckle what else did you gain from this?

What really amused me was that you say:

"there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child"


Your lack of foresight astounds me, and really has made me chuckle. You just exposed your archilles heel (overwhelming self love seeking approval from others). Do you really think people will admire you for playing a childish prank on them? It seems that you dont know the human mind as well as you think you do.

But thank you for your demonstration and manipulation its been a valuable lesson.

Peace x

[skylark]

[QUOTE=truthseekeruk;312646john

p.s. for the record I also think he comes across as an intelligent man.[/QUOTE]

Relative to who?

[truthseekeruk]

Relative to who?

errr common sense ;) lol - but there again its not unknown for me to get things wrong!

[jim fear]

something does feel write about her i dunno what.

I think its safe to say that she just isn't as cool as me!

[skylark]

but there again its not unknown for me to get things wrong!

only time i was wrong is when i once thought i was wrong but it turned out i was right!

[freeworld]

then why START a thread on it??? i ask with affection coz i think the debate's been very good/enjoyed it/even contributed-i'm better for it;particularly some of truthseekers comments-shows what a high quality of membership we have here....great forum/great thread...& as Dondaz says you use yr discrimination...

Because at the time i had only come across destini and i was astounded by how many people had bought into it :eek:

[pilgrim]

Desteni = Total Waste Of Time! ;)

[freeworld]

Ditto what skylark said, since you confess to being a

"i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it."


Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

I had only just looked into her and i wanted to see if anyone had done more research on here so they could give a much validated opinion.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

They deleted my post hunny bunch because they did not want people to read it and think to themselves is this guy right? And then look into it further. Don't try and attack me when you do not know me.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.


You are effectively telling others how to use and post to this site. Your knowledge is of a "salesman" who enjoys manipulating others. What knowledge are you here to share? Your words are indicative of an individaul who is very self opinionated and self-orientated (egotistical?).

Who said i enjoy manipulating others, your a cheeky bitch by the way, i don't want to be swearing on here but your such a dick! Educate yourself darling that is my advice to you but OH no i might be manipulating you! Get a LIFE

You made one fatal mistake here, you betrayed your own ego by telling us your motives and admitting you deliberately tried to manipulate us. You then have the stupidity to admit you find it amusing? I sincerely hope you are not trying to build up a fan club/base on here, because I would rather go join the Densti Club thanks.

Oh don't be so STUPID, you silly cow, how does me telling you what i do for a living mean that i am trying to manipulate people on here or TRY to start a Fan Club, fuck me im way too busy too play childish games...

Sharing knowledge is not spouting your opinions at others and expecting them to agree it also doesnt mean manipulation either.

Hunny Bunch i really do not know were you are getting your crazy ideas from, you need to read my post again and not feel the need to try and attack someone for your own bitter pleasure.

Good exercise but aside from a chuckle what else did you gain from this?

What really amused me was that you say:

"there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child"


Your lack of foresight astounds me, and really has made me chuckle. You just exposed your archilles heel (overwhelming self love seeking approval from others). Do you really think people will admire you for playing a childish prank on them? It seems that you dont know the human mind as well as you think you do.

Again you do it, why do i want people to admire me, have you just broke up from your boyfriend or something, not all blokes are the same darling! Get a grip!

But thank you for your demonstration and manipulation its been a valuable lesson.

A valuable lesson to knowing what? That you are off your Rocker Sweetie Pie :eek:

Peace x

Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

I had only just looked into her and i wanted to see if anyone had done more research on here so they could give a much validated opinion.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

They deleted my post hunny bunch because they did not want people to read it and think to themselves is this guy right? And then look into it further. Don't try and attack me when you do not know me.

"i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it."


Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

I had only just looked into her and i wanted to see if anyone had done more research on here so they could give a much validated opinion.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

They deleted my post hunny bunch because they did not want people to read it and think to themselves is this guy right? And then look into it further. Don't try and attack me when you do not know me.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.


You are effectively telling others how to use and post to this site. Your knowledge is of a "salesman" who enjoys manipulating others. What knowledge are you here to share? Your words are indicative of an individaul who is very self opinionated and self-orientated (egotistical?).

Who said i enjoy manipulating others, your a cheeky bitch by the way, i don't want to be swearing on here but your such a dick! Educate yourself darling that is my advice to you but OH no i might be manipulating you! Get a LIFE

You made one fatal mistake here, you betrayed your own ego by telling us your motives and admitting you deliberately tried to manipulate us. You then have the stupidity to admit you find it amusing? I sincerely hope you are not trying to build up a fan club/base on here, because I would rather go join the Densti Club thanks.

Oh don't be so STUPID, you silly cow, how does me telling you what i do for a living mean that i am trying to manipulate people on here or TRY to start a Fan Club, fuck me im way too busy too play childish games...

Sharing knowledge is not spouting your opinions at others and expecting them to agree it also doesnt mean manipulation either.

Hunny Bunch i really do not know were you are getting your crazy ideas from, you need to read my post again and not feel the need to try and attack someone for your own bitter pleasure.

Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

Listen i do not have the time or patience to respond to every aattack you have made at me, all i can say is please do not communicate with me anymore on this forum as i do not have time to talk to air heads that have a hump so they direct their anger and frustration on someone else. Get back together with your boyfriend and have a go at him chicken leg xxx

[freeworld]

Desteni = Total Waste Of Time! ;)

Exactly of course it is

[freeworld]

Ditto what skylark said, since you confess to being a

"i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it."


Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.


You are effectively telling others how to use and post to this site. Your knowledge is of a "salesman" who enjoys manipulating others. What knowledge are you here to share? Your words are indicative of an individaul who is very self opinionated and self-orientated (egotistical?).

You made one fatal mistake here, you betrayed your own ego by telling us your motives and admitting you deliberately tried to manipulate us. You then have the stupidity to admit you find it amusing? I sincerely hope you are not trying to build up a fan club/base on here, because I would rather go join the Densti Club thanks.

Sharing knowledge is not spouting your opinions at others and expecting them to agree it also doesnt mean manipulation either.

Good exercise but aside from a chuckle what else did you gain from this?

What really amused me was that you say:

"there are far more important things in life at present that we should be addressing and not some manipulative child"


Your lack of foresight astounds me, and really has made me chuckle. You just exposed your archilles heel (overwhelming self love seeking approval from others). Do you really think people will admire you for playing a childish prank on them? It seems that you dont know the human mind as well as you think you do.

But thank you for your demonstration and manipulation its been a valuable lesson.

Peace x

This is for you hunny bunch - educate yourself :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0n8NYnCMdjI

[truthseekeruk]

This is for you hunny bunch - educate yourself :D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0n8NYnCMdjI

why thank you - but I really think you'd benefit the most from watching it:D:p

Peace x

[truthseekeruk]

Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

I had only just looked into her and i wanted to see if anyone had done more research on here so they could give a much validated opinion.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

They deleted my post hunny bunch because they did not want people to read it and think to themselves is this guy right? And then look into it further. Don't try and attack me when you do not know me.

"i am an exceptional salesman, sales trainer & Manager (The only gift i got blessed with by the way lol) i realise that anyone with a good grip on common sense and the ability to know what peaks peoples interests and knows how to unlock the door to your imaginative mind can very easily corrupt it."


Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

The reason you started this thread was to demonstrate the ability of a salesman to manipulate minds. Thereby demonstrating the power of suggestion over others. You also wanted others opinion on Destini. Even though you dismiss her as a fake.

I had only just looked into her and i wanted to see if anyone had done more research on here so they could give a much validated opinion.

Its probably why you got so upset when your thread/post was deleted from the Destini site. Perhaps Destini smelled manipulation. So perhaps she knew your motive? And kicked your butt off LMAOF! If nothing else this has convinced me that she is genuine thanks hun.

They deleted my post hunny bunch because they did not want people to read it and think to themselves is this guy right? And then look into it further. Don't try and attack me when you do not know me.

This site was not built for us all to debate and be bitchy with each other, the site was built so knowledge could be spread to the people that lay in there slumber in life, and for them to absorb that knowledge and make of it what they will.

Use your knowledge to help guide people to answers they seek or simply use it to guide them to a path of which they choose to follow or not.


You are effectively telling others how to use and post to this site. Your knowledge is of a "salesman" who enjoys manipulating others. What knowledge are you here to share? Your words are indicative of an individaul who is very self opinionated and self-orientated (egotistical?).

Who said i enjoy manipulating others, your a cheeky bitch by the way, i don't want to be swearing on here but your such a dick! Educate yourself darling that is my advice to you but OH no i might be manipulating you! Get a LIFE

You made one fatal mistake here, you betrayed your own ego by telling us your motives and admitting you deliberately tried to manipulate us. You then have the stupidity to admit you find it amusing? I sincerely hope you are not trying to build up a fan club/base on here, because I would rather go join the Densti Club thanks.

Oh don't be so STUPID, you silly cow, how does me telling you what i do for a living mean that i am trying to manipulate people on here or TRY to start a Fan Club, fuck me im way too busy too play childish games...

Sharing knowledge is not spouting your opinions at others and expecting them to agree it also doesnt mean manipulation either.

Hunny Bunch i really do not know were you are getting your crazy ideas from, you need to read my post again and not feel the need to try and attack someone for your own bitter pleasure.

Obviously you are aware of how to manipulate people which is why you have enjoyed the reactions on this thread.

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!

Listen i do not have the time or patience to respond to every aattack you have made at me, all i can say is please do not communicate with me anymore on this forum as i do not have time to talk to air heads that have a hump so they direct their anger and frustration on someone else. Get back together with your boyfriend and have a go at him chicken leg xxx

Oh dear have I upset you? I am sorry. :D:p

[truthseekeruk]

How fucking dare you say that, you don't even bloody know me, i was just being open in what i do as a profession and how easily it is to manipulate people like YOU that think they are smarter than everyone else and know it all! Because of what i do for a living does not mean that i try to manipulate people on here, hell i hardly even get into debates!


One more thing I would like to point out to you, its NOT VERY NICE TO BE MANIPULATED IS IT?

thank you for taking part in my experiment. You showed me your archilles heel and I used it against you to evoke a reaction from you.

Its not very nice is it?

Incidentally I admire and thank you for proving to everyone a valuable lesson.

I hope you realise now that that we can all play that game.

I am not angry at you I just wanted to prove a point and you played your role beautifully I might add!

CHECK MATE

GAME OVER!

Peace and blessings and dont worry I wont bother you anymore on this forum.

)O(

[freeworld]

One more thing I would like to point out to you, its NOT VERY NICE TO BE MANIPULATED IS IT?

thank you for taking part in my experiment. You showed me your archilles heel and I used it against you to evoke a reaction from you.

Its not very nice is it?

Incidentally I admire and thank you for proving to everyone a valuable lesson.

I hope you realise now that that we can all play that game.

I am not angry at you I just wanted to prove a point and you played your role beautifully I might add!

CHECK MATE

GAME OVER!

Peace and blessings and dont worry I wont bother you anymore on this forum.

)O(

Your heads up your ass chicken! Good Luck With it all :)

[romas]

Ok, I've been checking alot of her stuff and comparing to what I heard from other interesting people, destini girl (or her script writer) borrowed the ideas from all over, I mean check Ian lungold, Billy Meier and recently I reviewed some ideas from Sixto Paz:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5269513280192759736&total=38&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=8
Or search The Cosmic Plan on Youtube for english translation.

You can clearly see she borrowed ideas and even names such as Marduk(according to sixto paz its the name of asteroid that destroyed Mars), nothing in desteni is new apart from her "story of non material world" and I bet she borrowed that somewhere to, probably some science fiction novel.

Hell I even downloaded documentary about Nikolo Tesla and in the documentary they use word for word what she is channeling in her videos, how he explained that ideas just came to his mind usualy at night etc.

To untrained eye she might seem real, it did seem real to me, untill I began comparign her information with what is already available.