Is Bipolar Mania Spiritual Enlightenment?

[drael]

Hey thanks man.

Yeah, im not sure if your doctor told you this, but lifetime use of atypical anti-psychotics can result in this:

Tardive dyskinesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not nice at all, and my doctor told me lifetime use would give you about 50% odds of ending up with it (the longer you take it, the more cumulative the effect). All old and new anti-psychs cause this taken long term. Crazy right? and if your a schizophrenic, thats your only option! scary.

Seeing as your on a mood stabiliser anyway which u seem to tolerate (lucky u), you should probly get u doc to drop the anti-psych. IMO.

Me my doc wants to try my on lamatrigine. Personally im not too happy about the mood stabilisers either. They all cause complete blockade of certain neurological events (ie cause you brain to function abnormally), they frequently give cognitive effects, and most of them have risks of causing other long term problems (like liver damage for example).

Anyone got any experience with that one?

Personally im against these two primitive short term only blunt force approaches (antiepileptics and anti-psychs), but damn psychiatrists cant think any other way...Sometimes dealing with mental health is like constantly having a door to door salesman at your door, only he's selling u pharma drugs and asking you if your coping all the time.


As for DBT : Dialectical behavior therapy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah for me, ive found reality checking via DBT, and mindfulness (taking a break from thinking more or less) invaluable tools...both have proven efficacy for a variety of mental illnesses. (As does some aspects of diet...and yet even all these things together wont grant u freedom from the drug pushers, primitive primitive "science" that it is)

I kinda wish i was a more "whatever, ill do what i want" man, i always get caught up in these services for so long, and they usually end up being less than useful.

[quilliard]

drael Thanks for the info. Good stuff.

Question if you don't mind?

I hear voices
I see imagery
Sometimes the universe shows me signs.
"Entities" have come to me in the past.

Do you ever get any of these?

Also, in my opinion, I don't think psychiatrists do anything. Someone that is going through this needs more compassion, a counselor more than a drug dealer. The drugs are only to get the patient more "manageable", they are not supposed to be a lifestyle.

Also how many different drugs are there? Is there one for every disorder a psychiatrist can make up? This "I am going to use you to 'practice' medicine, so try this pill and lets see what happens." Is a joke.

Medication is only needed in extreme cases, in my opinion, and should be reserved for when it is needed, not just because it is easier.

Shock the Karma

[drael]

I hear voices
I see imagery
Sometimes the universe shows me signs.
"Entities" have come to me in the past.

I channelled for quite awhile, and talked with many entities with thought. Try and avoid that these days. I suppose thats similar to hearing voices, im not sure.
I never "see" anything, but i "travel" in my mind, so that i experience things like past and future, other realms etc.

I used to observe co-incidents alot. I think part of the experience is a high degree of "organising of ideas or grouping of them". Things like patterns, or behaviours become a source of constant cognitive searching and recognition. I think this "pattern creation" is the function of the experience, a way to re-intergrate ourselves, to void old patterns. (I remember someone mentioned how much each experience changed them. I think this is the purpose, a shift in mode if u will). Anyway, because all this sort of thought goes on, any thing that happens together, such as a thought or event, will be noticed and reflected on. Myself, im not sure if it means anything or not. I used to get signs all the time, when totally normally minded, but i tend not to pay attention anymore.

My spirituality fluctuates. I beleive in symbolism. I beleive in a holographic universe (most like 10d model), but im not sure I beleive in constant monitoring or interferance from above. Just doesnt seem to be the reality. For me, the "lesson" of signs was this........live every moment as sacred, be present, walking, eating, shitting, all sacred rituals. The "magickal" feeling of certain experiences doesnt have to be limited to those moments. You can infuse your life with it. Thats for me what was special about signs, not the sense that i was being given some special message (although that sometimes eventually spurs new thought), but hey, life is a temple.

Yeah, im not as spiritual as I used to be. Still a bit, hey id consider myself enlightened, but im not like I used to be. For me, its about bringing the experience back to what I can use, to what can be reduced to simple or practical ideas. In psychedelics they call it "intergration", and i think a similar process happens with "bipolar", if indeed the person introspects on the experience (which people are more or less encouraged not to do), they eventually are able to make sense of, or boil down their experience in an easier to grasp form...

And i guess if u take all the meds, that will drain the passion and magick, curiosity, diverse thinking out of you, making it much harder to intergrate the ideas..., which is part of why few people talk about what "mania" (Novel/divergent thought springs/old skool mystic experiences) taught them. Of course few people agknowledge that 60% of people who experience psychosis report insight. And that number is probably way low, because people are actively encouraged to supress it, and not given help to understand it.

[passerbye999]

I agree about the possible long term effects of meds. For me I am finally good and even though manias were very cool I lost everything from them I do not want to experience another. It is worth the gamble to me. I have searched hard for the proper meds. It just takes a good doctor. There are tons of meds out there the industry just likes to stick to certain ones maybe contracts involved I don't know.

Lamatragine is a nasty drug with serious possible side effects it did make me feel better from depression a bit but one day I double dosed by accident thought I was going to die had to go to the emergency ward. I broke out in a fever and rash from lithium besides it's zombie effects you have to constanty test to see it's effects on the liver. Zyprexa causes flatness and extreme weight gain I put on 30lbs in 3 weeks. Haliperidol just fucks you up so you can do nothing but pace and feel agitated. seroquil makes you flat and lazy.

I refuse to use any of those drugs again they would have to force me to take them and that wouldn't be pretty. With that attitude I suppose new drugs were considered because each time I end up in the ward in Canada they pay not me and it takes up bed space for the more needy. Doctors here then are in most cases anyway more liberal in there medical approach. Their pay check is already secure. It is all about healing and medicine. Though they are mostly conservative in their psychiatric assessments.

It is the psychosis aspect of bi polar that scares them even though the patient may be manic and never experience psychosis they treat for it anyway. So all bi polars must be on anti -psychotics they preach. It has become a law. Here I agree with you guys 100% there is a problem with categorization that needs to be filibustered.

Anti depressents are not allowed for people like me, they won't give them to me because I may go manic. They are sorry about your depression but if you need anti depressents you are going to be loaded with anti psychotics to balance it out so what's the point.

If people only could see that a light depression is enlightenment and a light mania is a spiritual awakening they would really come to understand this illness. Both can be dealt with and within the mind for they are from the mind but the brain still needs to be treated when ill.

So here is where the patient needs to decide whether they are liberal or conservative in there treatment process based on their own assessment of themselves. What works for you? If it feels good do it. There is no point in feeling caged it will only hieghten the anxiety you feel already from the illness.

I myself do not like huge swings so I create smaller circles and cycles. Through training and hobbies and medication. I love playing texas holdem on line nl all the way. It takes the edge off for me competitive poker playing. I can experience a small cycle within a tournement High to low to high to low as the cards fall it seems my luck and my mood are in synch. Same with training I will flow from hard to soft, slow to fast, back and forth as my mood dictates. There is no middle line for me in anything.

So I have become one with my moods, following there cycles, blending in with them and eventually leading them to the destination I wish. It is easier for me to do this with the meds. I can do it otherwise but I am lazy in my older years, I am not 20 any more.

Drael I see my doctor again on the 30th I will talk to her about long term use of anti psychotics and see what she says. I usually talk to her about my thoughts anyway. I got those involuntary spasms and partial paralysis with haliperidol didn't like that at all. Thought I was getting parkinsons or something like it. Psychosis even though it is an extreme to mania does have it's benefits I agree but it is a scary concept for me I was on the edge but never passed, I surfed the wake and never fell in.

Real people, encounters with them showed me God was present and there was a purpose and they kept me sane because I had to question the ecounters to the thoughts for there were so many thoughts. Voices if you will these people total strangers grounded me. There was a play going on only I could see and I was it's unwilling hero. I will never forget those people their faces, their words, our meetings.

This stuff scared the shit out of my son because he was present for a few encounters it was like he was Gods witness for me. Now it was all my craziness to him me casting my illusions into his brain. That's what the judge yelled at me anyway. One day when he is old enough to understand we will talk about those things again and maybe he will understand it is my hope.

My whole family thinks I am a crazy kung fu master and could be very dangerous to society and that these thoughts I share are part of that insanity. If I am successful that is good if I am enlightened I am crazy. So I can be successful teaching my craziness and that is good but I am still crazy. Exept my Mother and her sisters, my mother went and talked to my doctor who told her how special I am. She told my mother I was very intelligent and spiritual but I had this illness and described it for my mom. She is old and it eased her worries. This illness is clinical not mental it is the moods that need to be stabilized not the thoughts or beliefs.

None of the others even want to hear these thoughts it is another reason I post. I only have a few students left that have been with me for a long while but they are all in Toronto so I get lonely and bored. It's almost time to collect more students in the next couple of months I will hire myself out privately and for seminars again.

Peace


Enlightenment

The seed of my soul is languid
Twilight, lurid in the stark growing night
Quiescence of mind, the illuminating silence
Brings forth not all revelations of truth.
Only YHVH’s everlasting love and forgiveness,
Can wash away life’s doubt and despair.
So I lift my hands to my Lord and am enlightened.

[passerbye999]

Does anybody else suffer from a lack of credibility where it was before the manifestation of the illness? Escpecially among the family unit.

Peace

[quilliard]

Does anybody else suffer from a lack of credibility where it was before the manifestation of the illness? Escpecially among the family unit.

Peace

That is a big one, it is very frustrating. For me I was told to believe something and then when it happened I was told I was crazy. Now my family thinks I am delusional but at the same time tell me to ask the thing that they believe is my delusion for help. "God didn't reply to you." "What should I do?" "Well maybe you should look to God for the answer." "But you told me not to listen when God speaks as it is merely a delusion."

You know what really get me is no one, and the more religious they are the more this is true, wants to know what God told me. I already posted it in this thread.

And thanks for the reply drael Question for you if you have the time, what do the "spirits" talk to you about? Do any of them have an answer to calm the "energy" that does what this does?

Do you call them or is it random? For me I, I am never alone and I can call them. The other day there seemed to be thousands. I still don't know why? They where all very emotional. Well only time will tell.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

That is a big one, it is very frustrating. For me I was told to believe something and then when it happened I was told I was crazy. Now my family thinks I am delusional but at the same time tell me to ask the thing that they believe is my delusion for help. "God didn't reply to you." "What should I do?" "Well maybe you should look to God for the answer." "But you told me not to listen when God speaks as it is merely a delusion."

You know what really get me is no one, and the more religious they are the more this is true, wants to know what God told me. I already posted it in this thread.

Shock the Karma

I had that from my ex's side I can relate. Sorry man it must have been hard and confusing for you. I have the same problem with people wanting to listen so I just don't talk. There are people that do want to hear and do hear there is no lack of people in this world who want to listen. So talk to them instead and don't discuss it with those who don't want to hear the subject. Remember between mania and meloncholy we see the light.

Peace

[quilliard]

Hey Passerbye999. That is why I talk to you.

You know things seem pretty good.

How you doing?

I have decided that I am at a point where I can just live with "it". I feel like I fell up a plateau and now am at a resting spot. If there is more to learn it will come.

[drael]

Question for you if you have the time, what do the "spirits" talk to you about?

The world, human future, creation, the other realms. Most of it is really more symbolic than literal in the end - symbols of magic and of mind.


Do any of them have an answer to calm the "energy" that does what this does?

Best thing for that I found was the techniques on the biology of kundalini (sp?) website. Search it, theres some great techniques there - showering water on the back of your neck, "big laughs", acting like a gorilla to let out social stuff. Because awakening is a rollercoaster and one u can fall off (as the east has known for centuries), all these different techniques help u ride out the high energy parts.

Also just simple activity. A slow mindful walk, some light chores and such, I find very calming.

[passerbye999]

Hey Passerbye999. That is why I talk to you.

You know things seem pretty good.

How you doing?

I have decided that I am at a point where I can just live with "it". I feel like I fell up a plateau and now am at a resting spot. If there is more to learn it will come.

I am doing fine. This spring I am planning on moving back to Toronto and starting teaching again. This thread has helped me sort through thoughts and my feelings of the last few years. Talking to you has helped alot. I have decided to stop taking pills and see how it goes, I can always fall back if I have to. I already have had symptoms of the disease drael talks about and if I can keep my stress levels down all should be okay.

acceptance is good to keep stress levels and anxiety down and I agree everything happens in phases and all we can do is go with the flow. I am glad you are at a good point.

Peace

[qpid]

well...as far as I can see here its not :) more the opposite....:rolleyes:

[drael]

lol. At least if your going to be derisive, be a little more verbose in the process so your comments actually possess some tangible meaning ...ie for conversation.

[qpid]

oh Im sorry :o:)

[drael]

So whats ur experience with enlightenment then? (Or if u havent had such, then what is ur frame of reference for the concept - kundulani, buddha conciousness, new age?)

I am always interested to see what others experiences are mystically - or what preconceptions they may have from texts or whatever....

[qpid]

I was on a good way but the last times it stopped a little bit....I do my best :)

[drael]

What was your experience with that like? Did u have visions, travel different places, talk to different beings, or was it more one of those "I feel connected to stuff" type of ones?

[passerbye999]

well...as far as I can see here its not :) more the opposite....:rolleyes:
what's not happy but the opposite your experiences or the posts? I am not sure your meaning.

Peace

[passerbye999]

Tao Te Ching


Chapter 11
Thirty spokes join in one hub
In its emptiness, there is the function of a vehicle
Mix clay to create a container
In its emptiness, there is the function of a container
Cut open doors and windows to create a room
In its emptiness, there is the function of a room
Therefore, that which exists is used to create benefit
That which is empty is used to create functionality




When I had my awakening at around 27 the one I talked about earlier I wrote this sort of poem out. It described an enlightening experience an epiphany that this chapter explains as well. Here is the writing..

Of a Cup and Water
1)Water is completely neutral to the nature of a cup.
2)A cup’s very nature is to contain and transport water. If there is no water, there is no need for a cup.
3)An empty cup has no use except for the potential to be filled.
4)A full cup cannot be added too for it will overflow.
So it has no use except for the potential to be emptied.
5)If the empty cup is never used or if the full cup is left to sit un- used, the potential for the cup’s change of state is neglected.
6)In their interaction they share a mutual experience, which will effect their existence relative to their individual natures. Although, in essence, the cup is still a cup and the water is still water, (their reality has not changed.)
7)Therefore, the cups entire purpose for existence is to be filled and emptied. As long as this cycle continues, there is purpose for the cup.
8)But, with or without the cup, the water will always be.

I stood in the shower with a cup in my hand filling and emptying the cup. Before I went into the shower I stood in front of the mirror for a while with a bag over my had (eyes cut out for sight. I realized nothing was identifiable, that there was nothing but consciousness, my true self within a greater self containing myriad selfs. Ego was overcome and realization appeared offering insight into a greater reality and perception of it.

This was years before my first mania. I think in manias the stronger the consciousness and understanding the greater the insights and experiences the lesser the understanding the harder the experience. Both experiences share one thing though pain and suffering. We release them by embracing the positive benifits of the experience rather than the negative impact to ones lifestyle.

Peace

[quilliard]

Happy Holidays!:)

Shock the Karma!

[quilliard]

What was your experience with that like? Did u have visions, travel different places, talk to different beings, or was it more one of those "I feel connected to stuff" type of ones?

God replied to me. It was wild. Happened more than once. I have had visions in the past, spoken to beings, Passerby has mentioned he has also. It is not that uncommon.

Good question.

Life can be confusing when the world opens to you in a way that you recognize but is new at the same time. I felt in tune with what was happening. More than ever know actually.

Sharing of experiences is not a bad thing. It helps those that are "Enlightening" so to speak a road map of what may be to come and make it easier for them to cope.

Shock the Karma.

[passerbye999]

whether it be jesus's, mythra's or dyonosios's birthday. happy holiday. it's good to hear from you quilliard. i hope your holiday goes well.
peace

[quilliard]

whether it be jesus's, mythra's or dyonosios's birthday. happy holiday. it's good to hear from you quilliard. i hope your holiday goes well.
peace

Hey Passerbye999, the season was full of snow.

[paigetheoracle]

My first serious relationship a long time a go ended with my girlfriend having what was diagnosed as acute psychosis. This lady set me on my spiritual path and opened my eyes to many things I would never have thought possible before(I would have been classed as an atheist when we met).

To cut a long story short she went through what I would now recognize as enlightenment or illumination of some sort. Sadly though at the time this wasn't understood and she was dragged off to hospital, locked up and heavily medicated. The doctors at the hospital told me the best thing for me to do for her was to move and get on with my own life. Being only young at the time I reluctantly took their advise and moved on.

I saw her again a year or so later and the lady I once knew had been replaced by this drugged up caricature of her former self, very sad it was like someone had turned her light off, all that was left was her shell.

Snap! I went out with a girl who had been through the system and was in the process of going through it again because she was in the midst of a breakdown, when I encountered her at my brother's house, which she shared with him and two other blokes.

It was mystical because I just felt drawn to visit him and should have realized that he would be working but she wasn't. When I got to the house she was in her dressing gown and explained to my brother weeks after the event, that my arrival had stopped her throwing herself out of the top floor window. We had a short, passionate affair that ended when after weeks in the house, with her alone most of the time, I went out shopping. I got back to find that she'd walked out of the house in her dressing gown and got picked up by the police, who it turned out were actually behind us in the next street. They informed me that she'd been taken to the local hospital, just up the road from where I was. When I got there I discovered tat she had then been shunted onto the local loony bin - again a short distance away from the hospital. When I got there, I was told that she had been put to sleep but could receive visitors the following day. On arrival I saw the consulting physician, who wanted to keep her in for observation. I told him that she had expressed the wish to go home and that I knew he had no right to keep her there against her will and walked her back home. After this she dumped me for an old 'friend', who like her sister wanted her to stay in the mental hospital (Life!).

This sadly wasn't my only encounter with women considered mentally ill. I had four relationships in all - the first two certified and the other two not. In all but the last relationship psychic events occurred around us and between us. I realized at an early age that there two types of women I went out with - the safe and the special. The special shattered my ego and my life altogether and the safe ensured that I wasn't stretched at all.

[paigetheoracle]

You might like to take a look at my Tao thread and Systemic Universe thread as these both relate to what you are suggesting here (Note also my mention of 'The Electric Universe theory' as this connects with the same idea too). I also think bipolarism is like having an elastic band and depression is holding one end down, then releasing it, which lets you fly: At school we held onto our trouser leg for certain amount of time, then let go for the same effect i.e. an irresistible rise of our arm afterwards (see also pictures at my publisher's site 'Levity' and 'Gravity' or I could email attachments of them in their worded forms (polar opposites word lists under each picture, although some may be on wrong side as I've struggled to make sense of their positions and the material (I was thrown off Stephen Fry's site before I could get these ideas across as some people found my comments about manic-depression offensive, alas!)).

[passerbye999]

You might like to take a look at my Tao thread and Systemic Universe thread as these both relate to what you are suggesting here (Note also my mention of 'The Electric Universe theory' as this connects with the same idea too). I also think bipolarism is like having an elastic band and depression is holding one end down, then releasing it, which lets you fly: At school we held onto our trouser leg for certain amount of time, then let go for the same effect i.e. an irresistible rise of our arm afterwards (see also pictures at my publisher's site 'Levity' and 'Gravity' or I could email attachments of them in their worded forms (polar opposites word lists under each picture, although some may be on wrong side as I've struggled to make sense of their positions and the material (I was thrown off Stephen Fry's site before I could get these ideas across as some people found my comments about manic-depression offensive, alas!)).

I would love to read some more on your theories, let me know how to access them. Peace

[paigetheoracle]

I would love to read some more on your theories, let me know how to access them. Peace

This link will take you to my publishers site, where you will find my book "Empty Thoughts from an Empty Head", to peruse a few pages of plus my expanded theory in among my artwork.

As I say I've left the revised version of my theory on this site, plus its tie in with The Tao as another thread. The Electric Universe theory can be Googled as it's not mine (Wally Thornhill did a good write up in Nexus, some time back but I'm sure if you just put in his name or the theory, you'll find something relevant.

http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpublisher.com/tonysandy.html

If you have any problems get back to me as various visitors have complained about the links being broken at various times.

[drael]

Argh, something weird happened a few days ago. Oddly, nothing to do with mental illness, and id rather not go into details - but it seems even people you trust, when they see you do something they dont understand, become cruel..

Ive decided I will try to no longer relate my self-esteem to any persons opinions, because human opinions if not 100% shit are very close to that.

You guys know what im talking about. The "stigma", the "this is evil, i dont want to understand it" BS that pervades humanity.

Ive had some of the most extradornarily bad luck imaginable at times really. Almost hard to beleive sometimes.

Anyway, I wrote this:

It takes it seems just the best combination of horribly wrong circumstances,
to show you to yourself. Even tragedy often fails unless the events pertain to something you hold important.

And this:

A bombfire of bullcrap keeps us warm at night,
but only in our minds
The layers of lies, intertwined make us blind
to truth of the matters of our hearts
The stars try and tell us in their twinkles,
but people have forgotten their tongue
& their words hurt th ears & th mind to comprehend it, becos the truth is not
always so kind.
Occasionally we actually look around, and think about ourselves, and where we are and how we think.
Then we have the chance to actually remember what really matters and what really is. Emotion, people - that symbolised by ocean and moon, these matter. The symbols of dreams are always matters of the heart, reflections of the innermost, the child. Its so easy to forget that child is still there and take proper care of them. To forget to count blessings rather than lacks.

Sorry to bleat, but hey, true understanding may be rarer than uranium. Happy new years to you all, I hope we all have a year of acceptance, for a change.

By the way, has anyone here had night terrors?

[paigetheoracle]

Argh, something weird happened a few days ago. Oddly, nothing to do with mental illness, and id rather not go into details - but it seems even people you trust, when they see you do something they dont understand, become cruel..

Ive decided I will try to no longer relate my self-esteem to any persons opinions, because human opinions if not 100% shit are very close to that.

You guys know what im talking about. The "stigma", the "this is evil, i dont want to understand it" BS that pervades humanity.

Ive had some of the most extradornarily bad luck imaginable at times really. Almost hard to beleive sometimes.

Anyway, I wrote this:

It takes it seems just the best combination of horribly wrong circumstances,
to show you to yourself. Even tragedy often fails unless the events pertain to something you hold important.

And this:

A bombfire of bullcrap keeps us warm at night,
but only in our minds
The layers of lies, intertwined make us blind
to truth of the matters of our hearts
The stars try and tell us in their twinkles,
but people have forgotten their tongue
& their words hurt th ears & th mind to comprehend it, becos the truth is not
always so kind.
Occasionally we actually look around, and think about ourselves, and where we are and how we think.
Then we have the chance to actually remember what really matters and what really is. Emotion, people - that symbolised by ocean and moon, these matter. The symbols of dreams are always matters of the heart, reflections of the innermost, the child. Its so easy to forget that child is still there and take proper care of them. To forget to count blessings rather than lacks.

Sorry to bleat, but hey, true understanding may be rarer than uranium. Happy new years to you all, I hope we all have a year of acceptance, for a change.

By the way, has anyone here had night terrors?

Sadly it's all about belonging and that means obeying the rules i.e. you don't talk about certain things or even acknowledge their existence. For instance I saw a UFO mothership, floating slowly and plainly in the sky over my school and visible for at least ten minutes (hundreds of feet long and mentioned in John Keel's book 'UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse') but my companions failed to react to it at all, while I stood there spellbound, until it disappeared behind a cloud bank: See also old Dr Who episode, where people from different time periods were kept in separate areas, completely oblivious to the existence of the others and also recent Twilight Zone episode where reality was manipulated by beings behind the scenes ). This is also why you get Muslims and Christians arguing about 'truth' and believing all kinds of rubbish (As Joe Stalin said 'hope' (religion) is the opiate of the masses and that is also why people gamble). Philip K Dick was very good at describing this kind of scenario as was Kafka.

Night terrors? Once in my childhood, where I woke up paralysed except for my eyes and ended up creeping out of bed and kneeling outside my parents bedroom. I have also encountered bedroom visitors as they call them and other apparitions (Two of my dogs that died plus aliens, twice and two incidents where my wife woke me, screaming things in her dreams 'Ghosts from heaven!' and 'A monster is coming to get me!' (When I woke during this second incident, I saw a pointy eared goblin type thing, standing by her side of the bed)).

Negativity is what keeps us here - positivism releases us. Bleat all you like (Unto thine own self be true).

[passerbye999]

Argh, something weird happened a few days ago. Oddly, nothing to do with mental illness, and id rather not go into details - but it seems even people you trust, when they see you do something they dont understand, become cruel..

Ive decided I will try to no longer relate my self-esteem to any persons opinions, because human opinions if not 100% shit are very close to that.

You guys know what im talking about. The "stigma", the "this is evil, i dont want to understand it" BS that pervades humanity.

Ive had some of the most extradornarily bad luck imaginable at times really. Almost hard to beleive sometimes.

Anyway, I wrote this:

It takes it seems just the best combination of horribly wrong circumstances,
to show you to yourself. Even tragedy often fails unless the events pertain to something you hold important.

And this:

A bombfire of bullcrap keeps us warm at night,
but only in our minds
The layers of lies, intertwined make us blind
to truth of the matters of our hearts
The stars try and tell us in their twinkles,
but people have forgotten their tongue
& their words hurt th ears & th mind to comprehend it, becos the truth is not
always so kind.
Occasionally we actually look around, and think about ourselves, and where we are and how we think.
Then we have the chance to actually remember what really matters and what really is. Emotion, people - that symbolised by ocean and moon, these matter. The symbols of dreams are always matters of the heart, reflections of the innermost, the child. Its so easy to forget that child is still there and take proper care of them. To forget to count blessings rather than lacks.

Sorry to bleat, but hey, true understanding may be rarer than uranium. Happy new years to you all, I hope we all have a year of acceptance, for a change.

By the way, has anyone here had night terrors?

even when you think the self has been stripped away it seems circumstances choose those it wants to strip down to absolute nothing. creation itself chooses the prophets and a prophets life is hard full of pain and misery. dissapointment is the teacher, bad luck the master. this is why the prophets words are so important because they are all the prophet has left simple truths. It is also what scares others because the truth is to direct to penetrating like an arrow it flies directly to there soul and it scares them for it creates or forces an immediate reaction which usually is disturbing to them so they reject it for fear of the unknown a powerful unknown. Anyway bleat all you like I agree it is a good thing all round.

Peace

[paigetheoracle]

even when you think the self has been stripped away it seems circumstances choose those it wants to strip down to absolute nothing. creation itself chooses the prophets and a prophets life is hard full of pain and misery. disappointment is the teacher, bad luck the master. this is why the prophets words are so important because they are all the prophet has left simple truths. It is also what scares others because the truth is to direct to penetrating like an arrow it flies directly to there soul and it scares them for it creates or forces an immediate reaction which usually is disturbing to them so they reject it for fear of the unknown a powerful unknown. Anyway bleat all you like I agree it is a good thing all round.

Peace

In my younger days I noticed that I freaked people out just by looking them in the eye, which I realized later was because they were hiding. Foolishly I toned down my life to fit in but it taught me more about the phenomena and made me a better 'prophet'.

Loved 'disappointment is the teacher and bad luck the master' - beautifully poetic!:D

[passerbye999]

In my younger days I noticed that I freaked people out just by looking them in the eye, which I realized later was because they were hiding. Foolishly I toned down my life to fit in but it taught me more about the phenomena and made me a better 'prophet'.

Loved 'disappointment is the teacher and bad luck the master' - beautifully poetic!:D

It is the phenomena that defines the prophet I think. Thanks I appreciate your comment especially coming from a fellow philosopher and prophet.


Peace

[quilliard]

In my younger days I noticed that I freaked people out just by looking them in the eye, which I realized later was because they were hiding. Foolishly I toned down my life to fit in but it taught me more about the phenomena and made me a better 'prophet'.

I noticed this as well. For a period of time I had several people giving me what I call "Fish eye", I just smiled at them each time. But man I could feel what they where "throwing".

I have been able to get people to do things just by looking at them as well. Some easier than others.

Oddly I came to post about what David Icke emailed today,

The human mind is the 'stadium' in which the global conspiracy is being played out minute by minute every day. That's the biggest prize of all for the Control System - to dictate what we think and so how we behave and perceive self and the world.

Yes, you can control people physically in some situations if you have enough uniforms to do so, but you can't do that en masse because of the fantastic inequity in numbers between oppressor and oppressed. For the ultimate human control you need mind control.

There are so many ways that this is being done today and conscious awareness of that is the most effective defence from these external influences targeting the individual and collective psyche ...

... These technologies also include the means of implanting specific thoughts, sounds, even voices in the mind which the targets believe are coming from within their own psyche. A team of researchers, led by Professor Bradley Greger, a bioengineer at Utah University, announced they have translated brain signals into speech using sensors attached to the surface of the brain for the first time. As one report said:

'The breakthrough, which is up to 90 per cent accurate, offers a way to communicate for paralysed patients who cannot speak and could eventually lead to being able to read anyone thoughts.'

Two things here - the secret projects would have been able to do this for a long time already and these technologies can, and are, used to implant brain signals that the person then translates into words in their mind.

Press the button - 'Hey, I've just had an idea'.

I do believe that there are some that can do this with just thoughts. I do believe their are some that work together and some that wonder alone still not realizing what they have.

Actually I believe you can train people to be more "Psychic" by teaching them to read body language and training them to follow their intuition.

What do you think about this passerbye999? Also consider that if this is happening and you are being contacted by "spirits" as well, things could get "hyper-confusing"

Shock the Karma

[paigetheoracle]

I noticed this as well. For a period of time I had several people giving me what I call "Fish eye", I just smiled at them each time. But man I could feel what they where "throwing".

I have been able to get people to do things just by looking at them as well. Some easier than others.

Oddly I came to post about what David Icke emailed today,



I do believe that there are some that can do this with just thoughts. I do believe their are some that work together and some that wonder alone still not realizing what they have.

Actually I believe you can train people to be more "Psychic" by teaching them to read body language and training them to follow their intuition.

What do you think about this passerbye999? Also consider that if this is happening and you are being contacted by "spirits" as well, things could get "hyper-confusing"

Shock the Karma

Funnily enough I just watched a program about illusions (Horizon, BBC2), which also pointed out how sensory input is naturally confusing and that the mind doesn't have separate compartments dealing with each sense necessarily but might get them all jumbled up a was our initial state in childhood - hence synesthetes, people who can taste emotion, see musical notes etc.

By the way I think it is the probing into other people's minds that freak them out (What are you hiding?/ The Bible and, Adam and Eve feeling naked and afraid - no secrets means no backward glances and therefore fear of being found out for our past/ passed sins).;)

[quilliard]

Funnily enough I just watched a program about illusions (Horizon, BBC2), which also pointed out how sensory input is naturally confusing and that the mind doesn't have separate compartments dealing with each sense necessarily but might get them all jumbled up a was our initial state in childhood - hence synesthetes, people who can taste emotion, see musical notes etc.

By the way I think it is the probing into other people's minds that freak them out (What are you hiding?/ The Bible and, Adam and Eve feeling naked and afraid - no secrets means no backward glances and therefore fear of being found out for our past/ passed sins).;)

I agree with you. I don't think people realize that they are even doing it most times. When I first noticed I was doing it, it intrigued me and I "tested" my theory on several people that passed-bye. It worked more than not.

After a while I stopped testing I had enough proof for myself. It seemed that if someone practiced they could control people like "puppets". I didn't like that.

At the same time I noticed that the "spirit" world was taking me in several different directions. I noticed that at times I felt I was being controlled like a puppet myself, through massive suggestion. It was weird. Another story.

Now and again I will look at someone and try to get them to touch their ear, nose, or lift a leg. I am surprised how often it works. Maybe I am just a good guesser, that has crossed my mind as well.

As for past sins, the things I have "Seen", there is nothing to hide. I have "Seen" the worst of the worst. I have "Seen" slaughter through a cows eyes. I have "Seen" a man fall to his knee bearing a cross. I have "Seen" a person from the crowd bear witness. I have "Seen" heads melt. I "Seen" bombs explode. I have "seen" enough. Allow me to get "biblical" for a second. There is no hiding when you "judge" yourself in the mirror of life.

I do believe that there is another side that is hard to perceive with our limited "senses". I also know that with tools such as the Internet communication on things usually only spoke about behind locked doors are being discussed in a way that allows all to experience a "Different" way to look at what we are and our role in this "play".

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

I noticed this as well. For a period of time I had several people giving me what I call "Fish eye", I just smiled at them each time. But man I could feel what they where "throwing".

I have been able to get people to do things just by looking at them as well. Some easier than others.

Oddly I came to post about what David Icke emailed today,



I do believe that there are some that can do this with just thoughts. I do believe their are some that work together and some that wonder alone still not realizing what they have.

Actually I believe you can train people to be more "Psychic" by teaching them to read body language and training them to follow their intuition.

What do you think about this passerbye999? Also consider that if this is happening and you are being contacted by "spirits" as well, things could get "hyper-confusing"

Shock the Karma

Hey quilliard Happy New Year! I have been bumbling around on other threads spouting ch'an and taoism since this one slowed down a bit.

Here I am though back to the strange and bizarre. Yes I think people can train their psychic abilities and should. Practicing mind control or conjuring some people call it controling others thoughts or influencing them I agree as well is wrong. It does happen on all levels all the time though. From others to us and us to others it is a form of non verbal communication. Telepathy and empathy would be the extremes of this communication. It would be and is confusing if one is focused on all of it at once. It could be dealt with though like a person standing in a crowd of people there is a din of noise but it is possible to tune into individual conversations that are nearbye or on your frequency. We talked about this before earlier in the thread briefly. This focus is what balances the confusion. If you could focus solely on you there would be no confusion. It is the conscious expansion I believe that creates our awareness to move outward though for we are social animals. Let me know if this strikes a chord.

Peace

[quilliard]

Hey quilliard Happy New Year! I have been bumbling around on other threads spouting ch'an and taoism since this one slowed down a bit.

Here I am though back to the strange and bizarre. Yes I think people can train their psychic abilities and should. Practicing mind control or conjuring some people call it controling others thoughts or influencing them I agree as well is wrong. It does happen on all levels all the time though. From others to us and us to others it is a form of non verbal communication. Telepathy and empathy would be the extremes of this communication. It would be and is confusing if one is focused on all of it at once. It could be dealt with though like a person standing in a crowd of people there is a din of noise but it is possible to tune into individual conversations that are nearbye or on your frequency. We talked about this before earlier in the thread briefly. This focus is what balances the confusion. If you could focus solely on you there would be no confusion. It is the conscious expansion I believe that creates our awareness to move outward though for we are social animals. Let me know if this strikes a chord.

Peace

Oh yes I remember. What I have done is to try to recognize my thoughts and separate others thoughts. It was tough at first because it is easy to start talking to your self. It is like echoes sometimes. I will think of something and then I will get a reaction to the statement. Sometimes it is a feeling sometimes it is a statement, sometimes it is a question.

It is strange to describe, no one really ever wanted to know in depth.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

Oh yes I remember. What I have done is to try to recognize my thoughts and separate others thoughts. It was tough at first because it is easy to start talking to your self. It is like echoes sometimes. I will think of something and then I will get a reaction to the statement. Sometimes it is a feeling sometimes it is a statement, sometimes it is a question.

It is strange to describe, no one really ever wanted to know in depth.

Shock the Karma

I believe the phenomena is something to be practiced I call it subconscious recall or channelling the inner self. A question or thought is posed to the mind and it answers sometimes as a thought, maybe a voice. It may seem like another is communicating yet it is you. Yes engaging in conversation with yourself, just don't do it outloud people will think you're crazy. This is what is what you have to learn to define your inner voice so then you can discern what is you and possible outside communication you know entitites.

there is nothing wrong with this it is practiced by most meditation masters. some call it the still small voice, I believe that is a different voice that must be discerned a seperate voice but to each their own.

Peace

[paigetheoracle]

I agree with you. I don't think people realize that they are even doing it most times. When I first noticed I was doing it, it intrigued me and I "tested" my theory on several people that passed-bye. It worked more than not.

After a while I stopped testing I had enough proof for myself. It seemed that if someone practiced they could control people like "puppets". I didn't like that.

At the same time I noticed that the "spirit" world was taking me in several different directions. I noticed that at times I felt I was being controlled like a puppet myself, through massive suggestion. It was weird. Another story.

Now and again I will look at someone and try to get them to touch their ear, nose, or lift a leg. I am surprised how often it works. Maybe I am just a good guesser, that has crossed my mind as well.

As for past sins, the things I have "Seen", there is nothing to hide. I have "Seen" the worst of the worst. I have "Seen" slaughter through a cows eyes. I have "Seen" a man fall to his knee bearing a cross. I have "Seen" a person from the crowd bear witness. I have "Seen" heads melt. I "Seen" bombs explode. I have "seen" enough. Allow me to get "biblical" for a second. There is no hiding when you "judge" yourself in the mirror of life.

I do believe that there is another side that is hard to perceive with our limited "senses". I also know that with tools such as the Internet communication on things usually only spoke about behind locked doors are being discussed in a way that allows all to experience a "Different" way to look at what we are and our role in this "play".

Shock the Karma

I never tried to control others, just try to figure what was going on in their minds as I say. What I realized a few years ago is that those people who are in denial of their own powers, are easier control than those who are open (Marianne Williams quote, attributed to Nelson Mandela, about hiding our own light under a bushel/ martial arts and resistance making it easier to manouevre opponents as opposed to difficulty of being able to move a dead body).

Your spirit world realization is understanding how those above you (as you were, with regards to ordinary people off the street) can manipulate you because of their greater openness and awareness (Think of how magicians and illusionists delude people with their tricks and the same with gambling or any other con - you're the loser when you think you can gain the upper hand. Like magic tricks you have to accept the humility of not knowing, so that you can learn what is actually going on).

The nose trick has two interpretations - is this telekinesis or telepathy? (prediction or control). What this program on illusions (Horizon) disclosed was that we predict what we are going to see: This ties on with recent psychic research because it was shown through experiments that subjects were guessing material coming up before they physically saw it. The test material was emotionally biased I seem to remember too. Again this ties in with research on brain damaged that shows those people who lost touch with their emotions, were worse at predicting things than those who still had that facility (Dr Michael Koenig, of Wisconsin University, a student of Antonio Damasio). Could this likewise link to the fact that more guarded males are less likely to be psychic than open minded females? Could this also be why Dr Allan Snyder of Sydney University, has discovered that most humans suffer from inattention disorder i.e. seeing what they expect to see, rather than what is actually there?

Judging yourself in the mirror of life, allows you to quickly pass beyond that state, where denial because it makes you look and feel bad (inferior), keeps you trapped there, refusing to look and acknowledge how bad you feel about your actions (mistakes - only inferior people make mistakes, not the perfect i.e. ego bound).

[drael]

Wow, thanks for your words guys.

Its nice to have connections to people who are semi-sane, and in veiw of the truth, in this world of insane little monkeys.

What you said really helped. In fact all your words, create resonances in me. Keep being you, both of you.

Im reminded of donovan:

"The dragon beast will try to tame her, but she will find a way"

And she is. In all of us. Its a blessing to realise the process, to step out of the human.......

Be in life!!

[hadaka_jimmy]

In my younger days I noticed that I freaked people out just by looking them in the eye, which I realized later was because they were hiding. Foolishly I toned down my life to fit in but it taught me more about the phenomena and made me a better 'prophet'.

Loved 'disappointment is the teacher and bad luck the master' - beautifully poetic!:D

A wise man keeps his head bowed, humble like the dust.

[hadaka_jimmy]

Hey quilliard Happy New Year! I have been bumbling around on other threads spouting ch'an and taoism since this one slowed down a bit.

Here I am though back to the strange and bizarre. Yes I think people can train their psychic abilities and should.

Ch'an doesn't acknowledge or pay much attention to the six supernatural powers available through ch'an / zazen. What would be the purpose?

[passerbye999]

Ch'an doesn't acknowledge or pay much attention to the six supernatural powers available through ch'an / zazen. What would be the purpose?

Hi Hadaka Jimmy, my Buddhist friend it is a good question you asked and it makes me feel like writing. First of all I would like to say since we first posted to each other months ago we always seem to be at odds with each other exept recently which I think is good. You are a hardcore Buddhist and I admire and respect that. Obviously you as well practice zen so in reality we shouldn't be at odds but it was like this in the old days as well as the scriptures if we can call them that testify. They discussed their differences in interpretation and understanding in good faith and with wit so I think should we. You appear to be of Japanese influence in your thought and beliefs or faith as you will my influence is Chinese. Two different cultures with two different interpretations of the Indian teachings for Buddha was Indian. Having said that I will give you my interpretation and understanding and my opinions to answer your question.

First of all it is beleived Boddhidharma the founder of Ch'an was Persian. He traveled to china and ended up in a Buddhist monastery that was surrounded by hundreds of taoist monasteries. It is common knowledge that the chinese integrated things into their thought but never left the old thought which was way older than Buddhism. They only accepted Buddhism in most cases because it had similar underlying principles that ran in accord with taoism and confucianism. In time the three blended together so most people where practicing a blend of all three even though some stayed strictly to their sects. Having said this Ch'an was something different that blended into this mix. It was never buddhist it became buddhist over time because it waqs the best teaching of zazen or dhyana around. Shaolin " The young forest temple" was a taoist/confucianist temple with Buddhist robes and they practiced Persian meditation and persian inner alchemy as well as taoist alchemy. This is how their kung fu developed.

In this practice the occult so to speak was acknowledged, psychic abilities and intuitions where headed and even exorsisms preformed. The main practice was to train the mind so as to banish demons and angels, a strength of mind and understanding but the spiritual realm was never overlooked because of the taoist especially influence. Boddhidharma introduced the muscle/tendon change classics as well as the brain/marrow washing classics they say but they are very much taoist alchemy.

So it is taoist alchemy and dhyana(ch'an) blended together. If a person observes psychic phenomena like thoughts which they are impressions what is wrong with it? They are part of the mind and nature. When we follow the tao such things are natural occurances and part of our nature. We don't interfere or astral project or things like that but impressions are impressions and must be treated accordingly. I personally don't agree with lots of scripture because scripture was denounced by the fouder. where did all the scripture and cannon come into something that is not supposed to have any.

I have studied Buddhism indepth. My favorite sutras are the Heart and Diamond and the Platform Sutra I agree with some things and disagree with others. I believe Jesus had it more correct than Buddha but that is my experience. the 8 fold path is nice and everything but I don't believe it will offer salvation just as I don't believe belief in Jesus will offer salvation. Why do we need to be saved as is well in my world so I am saved already. Anyway psychic abilities are there so why not use them the are part of us?
Let me know your take on things I am very interested. Sincerly.

Peace

[paigetheoracle]

One thing I've noticed about being low is that I'm always dreaming of heroic death scenes and wallow in self-pity but when I'm on a high, my head is full of insights and ideas and I want to explore, rather than withdraw from the world.

To me, if we're immortal beings stepping into something like a video game, then being here or going somewhere else doesn't matter. In other words, this is only one place, one life I could be living (It's all choice).

[passerbye999]

One thing I've noticed about being low is that I'm always dreaming of heroic death scenes and wallow in self-pity but when I'm on a high, my head is full of insights and ideas and I want to explore, rather than withdraw from the world.

To me, if we're immortal beings stepping into something like a video game, then being here or going somewhere else doesn't matter. In other words, this is only one place, one life I could be living (It's all choice).

It is the same for me on lows I withdraw and ruminate on the mysteries so to speak but get and feel very creative when on highs.

[quilliard]

It is the same for me on lows I withdraw and ruminate on the mysteries so to speak but get and feel very creative when on highs.

I find marijuana works when I get really "I want to destroy the earth for fucking me!" you know. Problem is it is such an easy crutch and you can't get it because it is illegal.

I feel I am on a cycle and the odd thing it matches my Mayan "Profile" For my birthday I am a "Dog". I have the same fucked up ear. It is freakishly dead on. But I digress.

I am having a real "In tune" day today. It is really wonderful. I want to memorize the moment. It feels like I am not alone even though I am. I can see in my mind the "Reformed" that have come to me to assist me with suggestion and... Well you get the idea.

These are the times I enjoy best. This is when i get to lay down close my eyes and they put a show on for me. It is always great. I was told I was the anchor holding them down.

I have had it in my head for a while that when I go a lot are going with me. Problem is, I can't rush it, because I wrote a list of rules for myself that I live by and if I break those rules I wrote for myself then I am not worth my word. You get the idea.

I am just hoping the ride gets a little easier and not just for me, but for everyone. I think most everyone feels that way.

Shock the Karma

[stormer]

Kundalini is spiritual enlightenment...unfortunately for some it is a difficult process and they may be misdiagnosed as bipolar and the treatment then interferes with the transition.

The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini:

Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.

Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body

Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations

Intense heat or cold

Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways. (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.)

Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns

Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue (some CFS victims are experiencing Kundalini awakening)

Intensified or diminished sexual desires

Headaches, pressures within the skull

Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest

Digestive system problems

Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)

Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck (Many cases of FMS are Kundalini-related.)

Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression

Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs

Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.

Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating

Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)

Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.

Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion

Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers

Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.

Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)

Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness

[quilliard]

Kundalini is spiritual enlightenment...unfortunately for some it is a difficult process and they may be misdiagnosed as bipolar and the treatment then interferes with the transition.

The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini:

Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.

Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body

Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations

Intense heat or cold

Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways. (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.)

Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns

Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue (some CFS victims are experiencing Kundalini awakening)

Intensified or diminished sexual desires

Headaches, pressures within the skull

Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest

Digestive system problems

Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)

Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck (Many cases of FMS are Kundalini-related.)

Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression

Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs

Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.

Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating

Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)

Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.

Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion

Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers

Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.

Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)

Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness

Nailed it. Wild isn't it. I am going to research that word more, Kundalini, sounds familiar though. Thanks.

[drael]

This is exactly what they talk about on www.biologyofkundalini(sp?).com website, that bipolar is merely kundalini...

100% truth, period. Same with "psychosis", and "schizophrenia" in some ways even - its all about the resolution of the mind, and the process of self-actualisation.....

That site also has great tips on balancing emotions, and dealing with those symptoms you mentioned (the physical ones). These tips i found invaluable. Things like stamping your feet to ground yourself, or laughing like a gorilla to release social anxieties, or warm water on the nape to relax....

An amasing site, I recommend to all fully!!! (if I could spell it!!)

And thanks for your description passerbye, no comments really, but enjoyed reading :D

On miracles- well miracles are really an act of magickal will, an emanation. The emanation can be unseen, if the witness has no "eyes" to see, to heart to accept. Jesus was a great man, buddha too, both very misunderstood.

When buddha walked the lotus sprang? What is the lotus? well as a narcotic, it calms anxiety, and improves mood and tranquility. Its meditive and loving, even sexual. The petals represent embrance, acceptance. The lotus opens at dawn and closes at night representing creation and destruction.

I think what the buddha realised, is that much of your teaching is distorted anyway. This is why there is little to it. The bible compensates for this by constantly repeating the same messages. But they both fail in a way, that pure symbollism, like the egyptian mystery teaching, or the dao de jing suceed - by keeping the message in the language of the heart.......

In the end one must understand that there is a flaw in being a "master", because one cannot make people see........and this is why the use of such language is the only honesty - the rest is merely a hook to get you into the real meanings, at best...:they either get it, or they don't.

One must also wonder about the wisdom of using miracles to draw a crowd. After all, when jesus created fish and wine, people missed his message....

[passerbye999]

Thanks drael for your comments I erased the post because I felt i babbled to much on things that might insult some people. glad you enjoyed reading it though. I agree about them being misunderstood. It is the case with most wisepeople present and past. All words are riddles.

Peace

[observer333]

Hi everyone,

I havent had time to read all the posts in this thread but I have often believed that bi-polar is linked to spiritual awakening.. From first hand experience and comparing my own experiences with those of close friends, I have come to numerous conclusions.

I believe that often times mental disorders are the result of kundalini awakening. And I say awakening as a verb or process underweigh. My own research has shown me that those who are spiritually inclined have a better chance of mastery and understanding of what is going on with them. Even then it can be an extremely bi-polar experience and it is best done with support and guidance. I have known many people who were diagnosed with bi-polar, were anti-meds and thought God and/or Spirituality was a joke end up committing suicide or dying from overdoses or drug/alcohol related accidents. These people were nevertheless very subversive and anti-conformist but their outlook was also very much pessimistic.

I myself was diagnosed at 15 and rejected the diagnosis and refused meds because I knew my mother had been misdiagnosed and unecessarily drugged. I self medicated for many many years. I tried suicide also at 21 but a miracle occurred that year and I was given a light at the end of the tunnel and a spiritual ideal to work towards. I kept self medicating for another 8 years but then it occurred to me that the drugs and alcohol were actually hindering my progress. A couple of years into recovery, I experienced a spontaneous kundalini awakening and the rollercoaster ride went into full swing. From moments of elation and bliss into the intolerable depths of my insanity. This intolerable insanity was when I reverted to my previously perceived to be *normal* ideas and beliefs. From unlimitedness to limitedness, from love to fear, yadda yadda yadda...

Integration took a long time but could not have occurred had I not set out to find out what was happening to me. I thought I was going crazy at times. I soon discovered I was undergoing awakening and had a lot of old beliefs to relinquish. These long held beliefs, paranoias and fears which I clung to were the weight/gravity which kept the yo-yo going up and down.

Today strangely I feel pretty normal again in a different kind of way and without meds at any time, but this was only because I surrendered myself to the awakening process and to my inner guidance.

I am almost certain that many who have been diagnosed with psych disorders are either undergoing premature awakening or have simply had a drug/alcohol induced psychotic episode. Mixing benzos and alcohol for starters will most certainly have such effects. That was the case with my mum. She was neither bi-polar or schitzo, she just mixed too many drugs and alcohol together and was fear filled.

Another reason I am convinced of this is that one friend of mine we called Crazy Tammy ended up in jail. In the watch-house, they ignored her when she cried out for her meds since they considered her a drug addict. She lost the plot and ended up in a padded cell. Once transferred to prison, she thought aliens had abducted her and broke the toilet bowl flooding the floor. She was having withdrawls from Prozac. When she was released a couple of months later free of meds, she was so sane it was unbelievable. The nickname Crazy Tammy no longer fitted the bill.

The prob is that when these wrongfully medicated people miss their meds they go flippo which others will justify as proof they need to be on them. Its a vicious cycle indeed.

I truly believe meds suck bigtime but at the same time I cannot say wether they are helpful to some. Some swear they help so who am I to say any different. Nevertheless they should most definately be used only as a final resort.

Excuse me blahing on about this but I have a lot of thoughts on the subject.

Peace, Nicole

[gurlbit]

Take your meds, Nicole.

[quilliard]

The prob is that when these wrongfully medicated people miss their meds they go flippo which others will justify as proof they need to be on them. Its a vicious cycle indeed.

I truly believe meds suck bigtime but at the same time I cannot say wether they are helpful to some. Some swear they help so who am I to say any different. Nevertheless they should most definately be used only as a final resort.


Thanks for posting Nicole. I feel the same way about the meds. They are nothing but a way to control people, not help them. There are too many things that grow naturally that will help before a "Frankendrug" is created of th same chemical make up to patent.

Then they force you on their drugs and it just destroys your life even worse. I have not met a doctor that wasn't "Pushing" whatever new drug they got free trails for from some Pharma Dealer.

Psychiatry does nothing but try to play "God" in there own way. They try to dictate what is normal and forget what happened in the past. I have found that for psychiatrist "Growth of a patient" is when they "completely surrender" to them and what they what to try and then become "Manageable". For psyco-docs getting people manageable is the goal.

Sorry I really do not like Psychiatrists, they are so, close minded. They do the stupidest, cruelest things to people and then the government backs them. In my opinion all Psychiatrists have sever delusions of grandeur that is quite alarming. In my opinion they are the ones that need to be medicated.

Anyway, in my opinion, if these "Freakshow" doctors actually cared about their patients instead of just trying to pigeon hole people into categories they can medicate with whatever "poison" they want, they may actually listen and then compare notes to see if anything matched from what was said and not if the person "performed" for them properly they might make some progress.

Thanks for letting me rant?

Take your meds, Nicole.

Hey Gurlbit? Does Nicole go to you voluntarily for help? Are you qualified to tell people that... I will just cut to the chase, That was very rude. So now add to the post or go to another topic.

I just did a little research http://davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=4000904 and indeed you are nothing but a troll.

In my opinion "trolls" suck shit and spit corn.

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

In response to you telling me to take my meds. I went to see a psychiatrist about a year ago and was guided to lay it all out on the table, to tell him all of it. He cleared me of the diagnosis and said that however much a novice might misdiagnose my experiences as symptoms of a biological disorder that he was certain there was nothing biologically wrong with me whatsoever. He said I was probably more sane than most people.

Why then would I need to take meds? because you think my experiences different from the average bear. What is normal except a concept that each person defines according to their own experiences? Step outside of the box and open your eyes and you might see things a little differently.

[quilliard]

in response to you telling me to take my meds. I went to see a psychiatrist about a year ago and was guided to lay it all out on the table, to tell him all of it. He cleared me of the diagnosis and said that however much a novice might misdiagnose my experiences as symptoms of a biological disorder that he was certain there was nothing biologically wrong with me whatsoever. He said i was probably more sane than most people.

Why then would i need to take meds? Because you think my experiences different from the average bear. What is normal except a concept that each person defines according to their own experiences? Step outside of the box and open your eyes and you might see things a little differently.

well put!

[paigetheoracle]

Does anybody else suffer from a lack of credibility where it was before the manifestation of the illness? Escpecially among the family unit.

Peace

Yes, it's incredible but since I gained credibility with myself, I've lost it with nearly everyone else! (If you don't play the game they don't like it):eek:

[paigetheoracle]

Kundalini is spiritual enlightenment...unfortunately for some it is a difficult process and they may be misdiagnosed as bipolar and the treatment then interferes with the transition.

The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini:

Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.

Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body

Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations

Intense heat or cold

Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways. (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.)

Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns

Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue (some CFS victims are experiencing Kundalini awakening)

Intensified or diminished sexual desires

Headaches, pressures within the skull

Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest

Digestive system problems

Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)

Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck (Many cases of FMS are Kundalini-related.)

Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression

Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs

Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.

Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating

Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)

Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.

Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion

Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers

Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.

Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)

Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness

Got restless leg syndrome and virtually all the other symptoms too - just call me twitchy or scratchy Apache (My partner thinks I've got Asperger's syndrome but I didn't steal it from him, honest!).

Indigestion - Yes. Headaches - migraine that are no longer of the violent kind (I don't think my head is going to explode anymore, thank God!). Coupled with this I'm a real pain in the neck (Creativity in several fields, that no-one has taken much interest in - this depresses me more than anything. Here I am high as a kite and everybody else just wants to ignore me in the hope I'll go away! (sad really). Had telepathic encounters and much else psychic besides.

Do you notice the bipolar nature of some of these things?

Hot/cold
Energized/ fatigued
intense/ diminished sexual desire
Grief/ joy (elation/ depression)
Fear/ courage (worried about loss/ only interested in gain).
Rage/ calm (not understanding/ understanding i.e. being able to control).

[paigetheoracle]

A mania is a realease from suffering(depression)it is the mind trying to find reason for the insanity that surrounds it it is not truly an insane mind. The bubble bursts and abstract becomes the norm like Dali the mind finds inspiration in it. The mind embraces the abstract for the non abstract strangled it subjecting it to violent abuse. When the dust settles there is a peace unlike anything before felt they call it euporia but it is enlightenment.
For the first time the suffering ceases and a oneness with the self ensues.
Self forgiveness a realease of guilt placed on one by others happens. One embraces love and wants the world to experience it with them. One becomes other religious figures mainly to understand that persons experience directly.

To become satan one starts to understand Satan and fear of Satan dissapears for you see Satan in yourself. You see God in yourself. You see you are Buddha in yourself. Now you are redeemed. No need for sanctification or communion. Your salvation is at hand in yourself.

I've got this as a recent post but can't find it on the thread, Fred! (most annoying).

To me enlightenment is flashes of light, that illuminate the dark of my unknowing. It is the carrier wave between what was and what will be, which lifts our head above water for a brief instant of pleasure. In terms of time, the ego disappears because the future has no identity, which is all that the past is (burying our heads in endarkenment and refusing to acknowledge the light of a greater reality). The separate 'I' is the refusal to be 'response-able' for something. No split as you say means acknowledging both sides of existence, even within ourselves (understanding them): No bad out there/ no good in here (No hero, no villain - no castle or position to defend, just realization that you are facing yourself in another or 'the other'
The Victorians had a thing about sex and the paranormal, both because they were the unpredictable nature of reality (You can't fit the wild in a box/you cannot make the giant small - there will always be an unknown future and a known past (order and chaos/ confusion and clarity). You can't fit some things in a box and still expect them to work as such effort crushes them to death: We need space to breathe - none and we suffocate.

[quilliard]

A mania is a realease from suffering(depression)it is the mind trying to find reason for the insanity that surrounds it it is not truly an insane mind. The bubble bursts and abstract becomes the norm like Dali the mind finds inspiration in it. The mind embraces the abstract for the non abstract strangled it subjecting it to violent abuse. When the dust settles there is a peace unlike anything before felt they call it euporia but it is enlightenment.
For the first time the suffering ceases and a oneness with the self ensues.
Self forgiveness a realease of guilt placed on one by others happens. One embraces love and wants the world to experience it with them. One becomes other religious figures mainly to understand that persons experience directly.

To become satan one starts to understand Satan and fear of Satan dissapears for you see Satan in yourself. You see God in yourself. You see you are Buddha in yourself. Now you are redeemed. No need for sanctification or communion. Your salvation is at hand in yourself.

I've got this as a recent post but can't find it on the thread, Fred! (most annoying).

To me enlightenment is flashes of light, that illuminate the dark of my unknowing. It is the carrier wave between what was and what will be, which lifts our head above water for a brief instant of pleasure. In terms of time, the ego disappears because the future has no identity, which is all that the past is (burying our heads in endarkenment and refusing to acknowledge the light of a greater reality). The separate 'I' is the refusal to be 'response-able' for something. No split as you say means acknowledging both sides of existence, even within ourselves (understanding them): No bad out there/ no good in here (No hero, no villain - no castle or position to defend, just realization that you are facing yourself in another or 'the other'
The Victorians had a thing about sex and the paranormal, both because they were the unpredictable nature of reality (You can't fit the wild in a box/you cannot make the giant small - there will always be an unknown future and a known past (order and chaos/ confusion and clarity). You can't fit some things in a box and still expect them to work as such effort crushes them to death: We need space to breathe - none and we suffocate.

What a great post! Thanks. You put it all so well.

For me, God spoke to me first, then Jesus and Buddha came to me and "Showed" me what was, then Satan. There where a host of others, animals and human, but for me God, Jesus, Buddha, and Satan are kind of like the A-team in the story. I guess that would make Satan "B.A. Baracas".

Well this thread is really coming along. There is some fantastic information about becoming "aware" of what is happening and has happened.

Shock the Karma

[holyspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBijRVbeHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYFNm4sGy8&feature=related

http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

Hi all I would like to share. I'm 45 and my first onset of mania was at 18. I have had at least 25 mania attacks and some nearly killed me. My first episode I went into my parents bedroom and tore down the curtains and I thought Eden was out at the back yard At the time I would say I was borderline atheist. During one episode I pulled over on I 15 and laid across the free way believing that I was Satan and so in that state of mind I felt I did not deserve to live. I have been overdosed by Doctors with hall-doll, and lithium.

I'm a full fledged believer in Christ now and I even believe that I'm the Holy Spirit yet I'm not perfect like Christ. I have passed out flyers about the website as Christ's messenger on cars at malls listed at the bottom of this post. I feel so strong about salvation through Christ that I must wake up anyone who may believe in him with the website.

Now here is what I think. I some what think God is working through me with my mania and depression to find some sort of balance on the neuron chemicals as with many other mentally ill so in the future all people will never deal with depression. I believe God wants people to be in an elevated mood but not to where the brain is firing to fast to create delusions.

Now am I being grandiose or has every episode been one delusion after another I don't think so. I would say that God made the brain but it was his most complicated task and so like a computer the software of the brain suffers to much. When Christ comes back we will have who believe in him have a 1000 years on earth or in heaven. So maybe the mentally ill who may have been asked by God to come into this world and work on the mind for him
to suffer as to work out the bugs of the software brain or hardware so when we go into that thousand years joy will abound.

I believe God is constant worker and the human brain could be a work of his in progress. And some may say that sin is why all sorts of ailments exist that maybe and if I'm wrong well Jesus will save me from sin.


Here is a full detailed story of one of my episodes that was spiritual.


JESUS WORDS ALONE ARE ENOUGH FOR ME TO BELIEVE
I saw an Angel at LAX:

In the year 2000, I met my first Angel. I'm positive it was not a hallucination. I believe my life is being watched over by angels.
For some reason in the morning instead of going to work, I drove to the train station in Solana Beach and took a train to LA. I thought about Jesus all day while riding the train. I remember thinking that San Diego was under attack from the Chinese and that China launched an amphibious assault in Mission Beach .

I got off the train and began a long journey through LA. I managed to stumble all the way to Santa Monica Blvd. Christ was constantly on my mind and I also thought that the devil was trying to kill me as I walked through LA. After splashing around a fountain and walking through some poor areas of LA I desired to go to the beach. I was East of I-405 about 6 miles and I had no idea how far the walk was going to be. Cars were everywhere and the noises of LA bombarded my senses. I marched into the night. I remember going as far as I could and getting to about to where I could barely see the Santa Monica pier lights and than deciding to go to sleep. I lay down on a hard floor inside of an apartment complex or business.
The following day I awoke cold and weary. I walked to the street and managed to flag down a cab. I told the cab driver to take me to LAX. I wanted to fly to Seattle so I purchased a ticket. I never made it on the plane and my behavior was becoming more bizarre. I ran through the security gates and the security guards chased me. I pretended to play football out on the departure lanes where cars entered to gain access to people leaving the terminals. Finally I ended up in a terminal just sitting and staring at people. I was in a very desperate state of mind and that’s when I saw her.

While sitting in my seat at the terminal and trying to think clearly I became aware of a soft voice and presence. For some reason I looked up and saw a beautiful woman standing in the middle of the terminal between the rows of people, she was an Angel. She had nice features and pretty long blond hair. She was wearing a business suit. She stared at me and began speaking. Her voice was soft, yet I could hardly make out what she was saying. While she spoke I saw light begin to brighten on her face and so I looked up at the roof. There were no light fixtures up there and to my amazement the beam of light grew in intensity upon her whole upper extremities. The light was like no light I have ever witnessed on earth. That light was soothing clear and ethereal. I believe she was telling me to go home and that she was distracting me from someone, perhaps who was very evil. Than for some reason the light dimmed and she turned and walked over to a sidewall towards a corner of the terminal and stood there for a couple seconds it seemed. I followed her from a distance and then I saw her vanish into the walls.
She was my guardian Angel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7buf9Q9NRi4

http://thehelper.faithweb.com/HolySpirit.htm

[observer333]

Ok, I decided I had best read the thread I had posted in.

Some pretty full on sharing. I commend you for sharing as I know it is often hard to do. My journals are full of many ramblings which would seem to make no sense to many others.

Passerbye999 (kinda coincidental the name I chose when I look at yours)

you wrote:

Anyway it led me to -1+1=1+0. Broken down it is 0=1. E=m if the speed of light is considered a constant of 1 as most people do today. so two halfs together make a whole (-1+1) and two wholes make a whole (0+1) and therefore the two are equal 0=1. The half a whole and the whole. This is where it gets trippy. 0=energy 1=mass. there is infinite energy within in infinite mass. But infinity is - & + as well.

Or I could say -1+0=1+0 therefore -1 =1. If -1 = 0 which apparently everything does then both equations become 0. It would be 0+0=0+0 because both 1 and - 1 equal zero. I can add a 0 any place it is a decimal, it is a place holder, it propels the scale backwards and forwards up and down in levels or dimensions. It is the capstone that gives 1 wonder for in truth 1<0 but because of 0's nature and natural order they become equal.

I recall myself a couple of years having a revelation that I could sum up my understanding of creation with the following sum:

1 x 1 recurring (ad infinitum) = 1

No matter how many times you add to this sum, the sum is always the same. 1 x 1 = 1, 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Seeing the universe or the parts as the sum of all its parts in this manner is to see with a unified perception.

the microscosm within the macrocosm and the macroscosm within the microcosm. Holographic in Nature.

I saw also Psymons first reply on p.9 and I partly would agree. The unhealed blocks are what creates such a swing. Grounding or integration as I call it is most important. Its similar to what Carl Jung used to term "Individuation" and I have heard a similar philosophy somewhere that called it "aspectology" though I never delved into that material.

My consciousness appeared to me to be something like a mansion with many rooms. In the centre of this mansion was a large room, my centre. My awareness could shift from one room to another, and yet I discovered that this mansion was not meant to contain many rooms. These rooms were where I had fragmented aspects of myself. I cam to see that integration occurred when i brought the aspect from a little room into the consciousness of the inner altar/room. To embrace that aspect within Self. People thought i was crazy and I sometimes thought i might be too but it has worked for me. I still have a few little hidden rooms i revert back into occasionally, but the swing has stopped now. The trick is to take the awareness of the big room into the little room and let it become one. The big room is peaceful, its like those manias where there is no fighting, only peace enveloping everything.

Some of those little rooms were created in past lives and one self i had chained down a long staircase in a dungeon and I was afraid to appraoach this self for this self was terrible. I walked with Jeshua down this staircase and he told me not to be afraid. When I finally looked upon the face of this one hidden in darkness, I saw it was no monster but simply myself pleading with large dewey fear filled eyes for forgiveness. She was afraid too. I forgave and we embraced and she merged within me.

We all have our own methods in which we take our healing journeys but I find that I don't experience the big swings today. I sometimes miss the exhilaration of the swing into mania, but I find today I can access the "good stuff" without the need to swing so high and low. I take no meds btw. I also don't buy too seriously into my visions. They are symbolic and my interpretations of them are best left unanalysed. My heart knows what they mean and I can speak them when guided to in everyday language which the one I am speaking to will understand. I can speak many languages today. I just live and it flows as it will. There is no urgency. I rest in trust.

I once thought i was a messiah and I was. The messiah to myself for we all have the inner messiah and inner guru too. The fact I have twin daughters to take care of, feed and nurture probably helped me to stay grounded during this process. If not for them there would have been many times where I would have not bothered with eating or sleeping. But they were in my care. I isolated from others and my family too for we could not relate to each other, but that has changed now.

This is simply my experience, integration is a must unless you are still addicted to the high highs and high lows.

I wonder if any of you have shared the same experience I have, I suspect some of you have. I call the first one my inner rain experience. I was lying on my bed listening to the rain on the roof. It was raining over most of Queensland, Aus and I love the rain. I surrendered my sleeping hours into the hands of Yeshua and Ruach, the Holy Spirit and my Creator and drifted off. Suddenly I was jolted awake by the Universe entering through the top of my head. An energy pushed through my centre downwards forcing blocked energy out of its path and suddenly it was raining inside of me and I was the rain. I was the universe. A loud roaring wind I could feel and hear. Though i was the rain the rain was not rain for all was like a swirling mass of energy inteconnected and moving in currents swirling and moving and yet it was all occurring within a profound stillness. The energy reached the bottom and and caused all kinds of sensations and then moved back up and then left where it entered. I was left lying in my body on my bed but I knew I could never ever again be contained within an illusion of such.

The next experience occurred a couple of months later. I had been guided to attend my first buddhist teaching on Easter Weekend. On the third day after feeling profoundly connected with the Geshe La, he suddenly spoke of their being no god and nothing within nothingness. I went into a scoffing judgemntal kind of mindset and felt the discomfort and seperation and chose instead to put differences aside and revert back to how I had felt prior to judging. I closed my eyes and prayed to see Him as he truly was as God had created him and opened my eyes. He opened his at the same time and something happened which floored me. I saw Christ, I saw the Buddha and I saw myself. I was physically unable to lift myself from the floor and I wept with joy for 2 hours.

These were my most profound experiences. I don't believe whatsoever these experiences were the result of a manic episode. I have no doubt whatsoever for they have changed me forever and for the better.

Namaste

[observer333]

Passerbye999, Thankyou! I was saying in an email to someone last night that I was feeling in need of some validation and he had provided some for me.

You have just given me more:

You release yourself to the one and are embraced. God comforts you, God talks to you. Satan tests you. Rebuilding the Temple on solid ground. You may even meet or talk to Jesus as you become him by embracing him as he reaches out to you. Parables you understand the parables, you speak in parables. You have become an ancient sage. A wise healer and find your spirit guides. Others see you and declare who you are. “You are him or her , you are the one”. “ You are a messenger a child of God.” “Announce yourself and be heard for my voice is your voice.” God whispers in your ear. Now you realize you have worth. You have a purpose. You only have to follow it through.

Many have experienced what I just described. It is a cleansing. I say to anyone who has experienced this that you are cleansed. You have been baptized with fire. It is healing it is love. Follow your inner self which ever way it steers you in the end you will find your destination. It is a mystic experience and should be regarded as sacred for you have become a saint. God recognizes you who cares what others think. Most importantly you are a new and improved you. The depression and anxiety relapses are usually because of your mood and are situational.Your mood can change at your will especially if you define your purpose. A good outlook and healthy body are all you really need the rest is gravy.

Peace

This is my experience including the guidance I receive from Jesus or Yeshua/Jeshua as I call him. He started speaking to me about 10 years ago now. He has been a source of great comfort and unconditional love but as you would guess, I cannot share that I speak with Jesus or people immediately think I'm completely bonkers (or should take my meds).

For quite some time I would go through periods of great discomfort when an aspect of myself would say, are you for real, seriously? You think you talk to Jesus and that he speaks back to you! You are crazy! You need help! Today it doesn't bother me wether he is real or an aspect of myself for he brings me comfort, clarity, peace and understanding. He always loves and accepts me unconditionally and reminds me that there is nothing I can do or say that can change in any way the truth of who I Am.

It was he who told me to see this psychiatrist and to tell him all my secrets, to lay it all out on the table. The psych questioned me for a very long time about what kind of things I would hear and how I felt afterwards. He said that wether it was real or imagined, it was clear that the effect was a restoration to sanity rather than the opposite. Thats why he cleared me of my condition. His opinion was i was just a very spiritual person with eclectic beliefs and eccentricities which did not add up to mental illness. Sounds good doesn't it. He did however siggest i take a mood stabilizer just in case but accepted when i declined as long as i came back if my hallucinations brought me any discomfort. It is very cleansing to be able to tell someone what we experience without judgement. I think this is a very important thread.

One of my favorite things has been music, the way the universe or Spirit communicates to me through song, both hear in the world or spun out on my inner jukebox. I would love to share a song full of hidden symbolism and messages. It is written by an Aussie confessed bi-polar musician named Iva Davies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYefLjP2bco

I love when the universe speaks to me, I call it the perfect orchestration, living in the flow and it is a beautiful place to be. I most definately believe Carl Jung who coined the term synchronicity was bi-polar. I have also during manic episodes though I was his reincarnation. LOL among many others but we are all connected anyway. I have never told anyone a soul that before, especially that I was Martha, the brother of Lazaruz who was jealous of my sister cos i had a crush on Jesus, but than again what woman wouldn't have had. LOL

Protective mode goes "delete, delete". but I won't. "Hide, don't ever tell anyone". but I won't. I am anonymous here I hope.

Next song I am sure you will know and makes a good ending. Makes me feel better when I'm sounding crazy.

Crazy - Gnarls Barkly

[paigetheoracle]

What a great post! Thanks. You put it all so well.

For me, God spoke to me first, then Jesus and Buddha came to me and "Showed" me what was, then Satan. There where a host of others, animals and human, but for me God, Jesus, Buddha, and Satan are kind of like the A-team in the story. I guess that would make Satan "B.A. Baracas".

Well this thread is really coming along. There is some fantastic information about becoming "aware" of what is happening and has happened.

Shock the Karma

I missed a piece from Passerbye's post - experience!

Experience is a leap of faith (letting go of the certain past (death/ darkness) and grasping uncertain life (the light of the future - elsewhere/ else when).

You're right, things are hotting up in here - somebody open up a Karmic window!:cool:

[observer333]

Hi Quilliard,

Reading what you have said here made me want to share.

You can't break the cycle. That is not possible. The cycle will continue no matter what one individual does. We have the power to change the tides of human discourse but not to divert destiny.

I have known for quite sometime that I had come to Break the Cycle. I believe was my destiny to so. My extended family on my mums side are all kind of bi-polar. Unfortunately most of them turned to self medication and the self medication took on a life of its own. Thats the cycle I came to break. 10 years free from drugs and alcohol aside from my caffeine and nicotine. My self medication got me into the lowest of lows imaginable. I have done it too. That was another person in another lifetime it seems. I fulfilled that destiny to break that cycle and I never miss either or feel an urge to go back. So we can and if we do it must have been destiny, yes?

[observer333]

A microscosm within a Macroscosm! Thanks for sharing Montag!

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3737/braincelluniverse1.jpg

[quilliard]

Hi Quilliard,

Reading what you have said here made me want to share.



I have known for quite sometime that I had come to Break the Cycle. I believe was my destiny to so. My extended family on my mums side are all kind of bi-polar. Unfortunately most of them turned to self medication and the self medication took on a life of its own. Thats the cycle I came to break. 10 years free from drugs and alcohol aside from my caffeine and nicotine. My self medication got me into the lowest of lows imaginable. I have done it too. That was another person in another lifetime it seems. I fulfilled that destiny to break that cycle and I never miss either or feel an urge to go back. So we can and if we do it must have been destiny, yes?

I have witnessed to much not to believe there a "destination" for what has happened, but like the old adage goes "There are many roads to the top of the mountain." One of the problems I see is that many have been trying to play "king of the hill" so to speak.

Also just by talking about this with people that actually understand what is going on is "Breaking the cycle" so to meet.

I have often said that people have not changed since the beginning of time, we only have nicer toys, and if you look at the history books you will see this, a constant circle of making the same mistakes and not learning from them.

Maybe this is a chance to do that? When people talk honestly growth happens. We have been lied to and confused too long for so the privileged few can create their idea of "heaven/hell" on earth.


I saw an angel at LAX

I too walked through a city, San Francisco, barefoot and tired looking for an angel I met on a hill. I thought I was being guided, it was just all part of the journey.

During my quest I ended up at an airport, I was staring at the screen for departing flights, as I knew I had to find her. I looked at the screen and pondered, as I did a Monk, that looked like he was on his way to Tibet, passed me touched the screen gently and all the numbers changed. I did see her at the airport, or what who I thought was her, but could not catch her.

I returned home my feet full of blisters and just exhausted.

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

Also just by talking about this with people that actually understand what is going on is "Breaking the cycle" so to meet.

I have often said that people have not changed since the beginning of time, we only have nicer toys, and if you look at the history books you will see this, a constant circle of making the same mistakes and not learning from them.

Maybe this is a chance to do that?

Absolutely Quilliard! I think it is our destiny to do just that. I see the shifting of the tides. Maybe it is a destiny built within us all. We are just lucky enough to be able to see with eyes that see and hear with ears that hear when we make that our intention and don't get too distracted by all the negativity.

EDIT: After Posting I had a sung spin out of my inner jukebox. I used to be an anarchist punk in my younger days and this song just fits.

RISE ABOVE - BLACK FLAG

[quilliard]

Absolutely Quilliard! I think it is our destiny to do just that. I see the shifting of the tides. Maybe it is a destiny built within us all. We are just lucky enough to be able to see with eyes that see and hear with ears that hear when we make that our intention and don't get too distracted by all the negativity.

EDIT: After Posting I had a sung spin out of my inner jukebox. I used to be an anarchist punk in my younger days and this song just fits.

RISE ABOVE - BLACK FLAG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEiuMKPvyeM)

GREAT SONG!

By the way, why is the statement "Those that can hear" and "Those that can see" so common here but yet is said like a code. Just a thought.

I wonder if we all concentrated at the same time on something if the rest would hear, but this is what is happening with December 21st 2012, it is merely a date that has a lot of the worlds attention. But not a prayer, more like a "Horton hears a Who." type of thing.

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

By the way, why is the statement "Those that can hear" and "Those that can see" so common here but yet is said like a code. Just a thought.

I wonder if we all concentrated at the same time on something if the rest would hear, but this is what is happening with December 21st 2012, it is merely a date that has a lot of the worlds attention. But not a prayer, more like a "Horton hears a Who." type of thing.

I don't know why it is said so often here and didn't know it was to be honest. Glad to hear it is though since it validates my faith that people are waking up. Jesus used to say it a lot too, 'He who has ears to hear'. I would suppose that its because people are learning to read between the lines rather than literally; seeing/sensing a deeper meaning, downloading impressions from our higher consciousness or inner knowing self. I think it is a prompt for those who read to step back and see the big picture, to look deeper from a more expansive viewpoint..

Yeah it is kinda like Horton hears a who (Funny, watched that with my kids last week or so). As to the date, I haven't really delved into it but I have felt the change in the air for a long time. It's kinda exciting and I trust that everything is gonna be alright whatever happens. I just want to focus on the here and now and yet be prepared for anything. I intuit that we are in the end of a cycle and I feel a hallelujah about that. Besides death precedes every rebirth on one level or another. Maybe some of us need a good kick up the backside. I sure did and on another level I knew it and so let it happen for my highest good.

I am comfortable today with not knowing the details as long as on another level I can get a sense of surety and certainty it's ok. I am just gonna go with the flow and ride the swells as they come and go. I am shown what I need to know when I need to know it and I am ready.

Peace Bro!

[observer333]

Hi again Qilliard,
I just saw on another thread, the Kundalini one; someone ask if the download was available in PDF. I had a good laugh but then it made me realise why people talk that way. The ears to hear, etc. stuff. Because human language is insufficient in providing the words to convey what lies beyond words. I cannot see how it could possibly be our native tongue. Its why people so often speak in parables or koans or write poetry. Words are just another symbol and Truth cannot be taught or learned, only remembered. If the mind is ripe, sometimes the right combination of words can act as a catylyst or prompt and we get it, yes. I recall you saying something like that earlier in this thread. The right combination of words can nevertheless build a aquaduct or tunnel for direct communication to travel. If we are looking at the outside of the tunnel, we won't find the real flow of communication but if we look within, there it will be.

What do you think Quilliard, or anyone who feels inclined to pipe in. ;)

[quilliard]

What do I think observer33? :o

You put it very well.

I think that the internet is allowing us to connect in a way that is enabling our growth exponetualy so to speak.

If this was a "Fable" or a "story" I think it would go something like this.

Once upon a time a group of very bad children where through out of their home for being messy and thoughtless and all round pains in the neck.

So they said "Where will we go?" and the reply was what we know as earth.

So they said "Why?" and the reply was "Learn"

So they said "When can we come home?" and the reply was you will not know the date as I will make a surprise visit and then we will see.

So they went to earth and did as they pleased trying to earn their chance to come home. Some made it a contest, other try to take advantage, some found that they could become others through "rebirth" and live again. Literally they found that they could start a soul "possession" at conception and then they would forget all they lived and live the wild roller coaster that was life again.

Eventually so many had taken the ride so many times they became confused to what they had come from and what they where. One thing they did have once fables and stories from the past that they listened to from others mouths and had took faith in what seemed to make sense.

This caused even more confusion as now there where too many "Answers" that really didn't answer anything.

Now in this dimension that we can not perceive in our usual frantic state there are many frequencies, that some get stuck in, but they have learned to communicate within those frequencies. They are working together towards a common goal. Peace. Be it through love or war, the final destination will be peace. (The problem is with war you have to kill everything, but that was a chance they are willing to take to return home in the past.)

Then all heard of the coming dates of the mayan calendar, it was decided to monopolize on this date. So they set their plan in motion. This was done so many years ago I could not guess.

The one thing they all agreed upon that was turn in all myth was the "Return" of some "Messiah" to lead them to peace. So they decided to look for the one those on earth call the "Messiah". They compared all the myths from all religions and took their best guess at who these people could be.

After a while they started to find likely candidates and so the "Contest" or "Test" began to find the true "Christ". It was well known that many would give there lives for the cause but that was OK because of the ultimate goal.

Well they start harassing and "haunting" and doing all this stuff and freak doctors are calling it whatever they can to sell drugs, and everything is just messed up.

So what happens is they, finally stop attacking and compare notes and do find several to lead them to salvation. Several that seem to all be saying the same thing but have never met. Although one has stood out from the rest as a true leader a imperfect leader, but a true leader.

The end.

So do you think they are talking about you in this story? :)

I will talk to you later.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

:DHoly crap! What has happened? This thread is on fire again. Sorry about erasing that post everybody I don’t know why I did, if I new it would have been received so well I would have left it. Pieces were posted by Paigethe oracle(how did you do that buddy?) Welcome and hello Observer 333 I am truly glad you joined we think a lot alike.

I don’t know so much about this kundalini stuff, it seems to be all the rave so to speak. I have never trained it it is just a word to me. It seems to be yet another label to the experience though. Some forms of training and meditation I am abverse to TCM and that have always struck a wrong cord with me personally but that is simply a personal bias, whatever gives one comfort is good.

I have been doing a great deal of contemplation lately in my free time on words again. Especially the Hebrew names of God. They are like my personal Mantras especially the covenant name and it’s contractions. I would like to post them and share some of my thoughts if it is cool this time I will not erase it.

Here’s the complete list passerbye's Hebrew 101 *(I put traditional translations in brackets with for those interested where they can be found):
1)YWHW= He is or I am-which I will use
2)eyeh asher eyeh= I am that I am or I will be who I will be (Exodus 3:14)
3)YHWH-Yireh= I am Provides (The Lord will Provide Genesis 22:13-14)
4)YHWH-Rapha= I am Heals(The Lord that Heals Exodus 15:26)
5)YHWH-Nissi= I am the Banner(The Lord our Banner Exdodus 17:8-15)
6)YHWH-Shalom= I am Peace (The Lord our Peace Judges 6:24)- reference to the Everlasting Prince of Peace as is El Gibbor(God the Hero or Warrior)-Melech HaMelachim(King of Kings)
7)YHWH-Ro’i= I am my Shepherd (The Lord my Shepherd Psalm 23:1)
8)YHWH-Tsidkenu= I am Righteousness (The Lord our Righteousness Jeremiah 23:6)
9)YHWH-Shammah= I am Present (The Lord is Present Ezekiel 48:35)
10)YHWH-Saboath= I am Armies or Hosts (The Lord of Hosts quite frequently used original use 1 Samuel 17:45)

If YHWH is El (God) as the Torah states then if we are made in the image we simply are. Yeshua or Joshua means then “I am Salvation”. Jesus was almost stoned for stating “ I am”. This concept is far older than Buddha the great “I am not”. Yet maybe the answer to the great quest of “I” is- I am and I am not. If God states so straight out by using the name I am to show Gods existence and interaction with creation then it is presumable that I am is real and what defines God and us as well. So many people state there is no I yet if there was no I there would be nothing. So I am alive, I am conscious, I am sentient yet I am not God though God is in me.

As I wrote in the erased post a Tree for example is an I as well. It may not be able to speak but it is sentient for it feels and is able to interact with its surroundings science has proven this. Bieng an I is it’s leaves or it’s branches or it’s trunk or it’s roots any less than any other part. This is a huge concept in the New Testament. The concept of the whole. A large I or 1 as observer333 states and I have as well stated in a previous post. Everything is an I within an I. There is truly no room here for no I it is an erroneous concept that disproves itself.

I find this relevent to the thread for YHWH and Yeshua who is YHWH taught me this in my manias. Baal (Lord alias Satan- the adversary) taught me this as well. Baalzebub “Lord of the Flies” is a servant of God as the book of Job so blatently states. Evil lies solely in us alone it is a concept not a reality. When a Lion eats a human the Lion is not evil just hungry. When a Human eats a Human it is insane not evil. Evil is just a word as is Love. For it is usually through some aspect of love that evil is committed. People fear what they do not understand and reject what they are ignorant of. Life simply is as it is there is no sin and if forgiveness of sin is what is required to move on as the Lord’s prayer states Forgive us as we forgive others and more so forgiveness lies in forgiving ourselves for guilt causes suffering.

Here we move to Buddhism and the eithfold path doesn’t cut it for life sometimes removes the choice of following the correct livelihood or other of the precepts. Neither does asking salvation from someone else. It all lies within. I am salvation, I am healing, I am love, I am hate , I am everything and I am nothing. In truth there is nothing else and yet I is also we. When I becomes we we then have a world cure but it starts with I. Until then there will always be suffering. But as Jesus said Gods laws are simple. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul; Love others as yourself; and I humble passerbye999 add the measure never written before me, Love yourself for God and others love you. Wow I added to the Bible and no lightening bolt struck me. Nothing is complete everything grows and changes with time. We all add to the story with our very lives, the greatest story ever told is never ending and was never complete.

I am writing this and you are reading it and it is the Gospel( Good News). lol. rofl. I ammuse myself sometimes. Who am I to write such things no one yet I wrote them. This is the kind of shit I think about therefore I am.

I believe manias are a sickness yet they are something else too. They are a unique experience to be contemplated for enlightenment is wisdom accumulated through direct experience. Even the weirdest experience maybe so especially the weirdest experience. In manias though the brain is on overload and a whole new reality does appear and unless there is drugs involved there are no hallucinations at least that is the case from my experiences. I truly became wise from my manias and no longer feel the need to search. A need I was overwhelmed by in my youth and 20's and 30's. Now I can live my life and babble about my insane thoughts to anyone who would be interested. There are so many like me it is unbelievable and we all feel the desire to share as this thread shows. I like this thread as my friend quillard says this thread is an oracle unto itself for us poor misunderstood bi polar sufferers and those who suffer from similar maladies. If indeed we truly suffer anything exept being misunderstood. Mysticism is as old as the human experience and may define the human experience as well. Words and thoughts are powerful they are magic.

Peace :D;):p

[observer333]

If this was a "Fable" or a "story" I think it would go something like this.

Once upon a time...

Hey Quilliard,

Your fable reminds me of the time I asked Jeshua to translate "The Prodigal Son" for me. A lot of your fable really resonates with it. It uses very Christian words but I suppose thats because its such a proliferated story among Christians.

It goes like this:

Greetings, I am Jeshua.


I am pleased you wish to hear about this story. I love this story also. It is one story that has touched the heart of countless millions of people throughout the ages and managed to retain most of it’s purity throughout countless translations. I did not first tell this story. This story was a very old one, which had been passed down for many generations. I re-told this story, as it was one that so very truly reflected our relationship to God, and the nature of God.

A Loving God who forgives before forgiveness is necessary and truly accepts us unconditionally. He sees only our perfection which is the truth of who we are. He doesn’t judge us, for we can do no wrong in his eyes. Our dreams are just that, imaginings of what it would be like to be separate from Him. He allows us this freedom as a loving parent allows their teenager to move out of home and experience the independence they so wish for. Hear the story and I will go into more detail, as you like.

And I say unto you, there was a God with so much Love that he decided he wished to experience the giving and receiving of such Love. As God Is All that Is, he thought to make an extension of Himself. With that thought he had so created a Son. This Son was ONE with God, as nothing can be apart from God. Therefore this Son was in the very likeness of his father, of the very same Substance and Spirit of God. The Son therefore had the same power to create with thought as his Father. The Father was only capable of complete and unconditional Love and Acceptance of his Son; therefore the Son was imbued with free-will.

The Son was happy and experienced the wondrous Joy and Love that he was. He experienced oneness with God and had all he could ever want. Then, the Son wondered what it would be like to experience independence and individuality. He started to imagine what it would be like.

And the son said to his father, 'Father, give me the portion of thy substance that falleth to me'. So he divided unto him his living. And not many days after, he gathered all together and took his journey into a far country.

Lets not forget that dividing what is Whole, Eternal and Changeless is not possible in Truth. The Son, by the power of his thought, had nevertheless created a way to experience what was not possible in Truth. It was as if he had moved to a distant land, a land of illusion, out of sight and out of reach of his Father. This was the beginning of the separation from God, the beginning of the dream. Of course the consequence was that the Son lost all remembrance of his oneness with God, and in so doing, he forgot himself.

When God noticed what was happening with a part of Himself, He immediately gave His Son a means of finding his way back home. And so a still small voice was given to remind the Son of his Truth, his Substance, his Inheritance. To be a guide unto him, to light his path and steer him home, once he should tire of his adventure and seek such the guidance within himself.

And there he wasted his substance with riotous living. And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that country; and he began to want.

The son’s Inheritance, his Substance, his Holiness and Oneness with God was forgotten. All that he was and had was therefore wasted, as it was gone from his awareness. He became needy, imagining lack within himself and within everything reflected around him. With the perception of lack grew the belief in his vulnerability, and the idea of fear took hold. Within him grew a great hunger which was reflected back at him everywhere he looked within this place. The hunger grew and the wanting for what he perceived was lacking or missing grew stronger.

And he went and joined himself with one of the citizens of that country; and he sent him into the fields to feed swine. And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat and no man gave to him.

In his desperation, he made an alliance with the voice of the ego which now did reside in his mind. The ego promised to bring an end to his hunger and suffering. He became as a slave to the ego, doing whatever the ego told him, hoping he might receive that which would relieve him of his hunger. Yet the ego’s words became as empty promises, they were as husks or illusions with no real substance. And his hunger for what? he did not know; grew increasingly stronger and his pangs were great.

But when he came to himself he said, How many hired servants of my father’s have bread enough and to spare, and I perish here with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him; Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight. I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of thy hired servants.

The Sons hunger and thirst grew so great, and yet he could not find anything to relieve it in all his searching over countless lifetimes. Over eons he had exhausted every avenue of finding fulfillment. At last he was brought to his knees. He had had enough of this adventure and so he searched deep within his heart and soul and discovered the Holy Spirit residing within himself.

In that moment he “came to”, in that he started to awaken from his slumber, and slowly came Remembrance. He now knew that this 'something missing', this hunger, was for the parabled daily bread, the Substance of his Father, the Source of his Being. And his thirst could only be quenched by Spirit.

The ego felt threatened and very afraid. It feared for its own survival and berated the son for his foolishness. “How could you believe after all you have done that you will be accepted back?” Unfortunately he listened to the ego and felt very lowly and ashamed. He feared his fathers judgment, but most of all he judged himself as unworthy of such love and forgiveness. Thanks to encouragement from “the still, small voice within” he nevertheless made the decision to return to his father.

And he arose, and came to his father. But while he was yet afar off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him. And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight. I am no more worthy to be called your son. But the Father said to his servants, Bring forth quickly the best robe, and put it on his hand, and shoes on his feet: And bring forth the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and make merry: for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

He surrendered to The Holy Spirit and willingly accepted the guidance offered him, for he had long since forgotten his way home. As he followed The Way shown to him, he had difficulty letting go of his guilt. He believed his error had wronged his father, and that his father would judge him as he now judged himself. When he joined with the Holy Spirit, he experienced his Fathers Loving embrace. His Fathers Love, experienced in each embrace showed that he was forgiven. His Father had not held his imaginary wanderings against him. From His point of view, his son was just as he’d always been, eternal and perfect in every way.

After all the pain and loneliness of the dream, his homecoming was an occasion of great joy and celebration. His hunger and thirst was fully satisfied, his cup was overflowing. In Truth, this is the eternal celebration of All that Is, has been and All that will ever Be. The Alpha and the Omega, Life without end. He had experienced being lost but now he had found what had always been. He had experienced death, but now he had remembered his Eternal Oneness with his father.

To live eternally is to experience and Know ones Self. We are of the same substance as our Father, the Truth of who we are is our Inheritance. It is Gods gift to us and to himself. Our Inheritance is what we are and no illusions or imaginings that suggest otherwise can change in any way this Truth. In Truth, there is no we, for we are One. One and All.

Amen.

**OK, I gotta run. Will talk more later. PEACE

[passerbye999]

I think that was well written. In the Bible it states there are Prophets and those "Maddened acting like Prophets" I see nothing mad in what you say so cheers to you. I enjoyed it. No need for pills that I see. Enlightenment is not reserved for Eastern thought alone it is universal as you have shown with this unique interpretation. I know that you were responding to Quilliard and not me but thanks for sharing, share more teachings like that when you have the time.

Peace

[observer333]

I think that was well written. In the Bible it states there are Prophets and those "Maddened acting like Prophets" I see nothing mad in what you say so cheers to you. I enjoyed it. No need for pills that I see. Enlightenment is not reserved for Eastern thought alone it is universal as you have shown with this unique interpretation. I know that you were responding to Quilliard and not me but thanks for sharing, share more teachings like that when you have the time.

Peace

Thanks. :)

I love east and west and inbetween a lot like you. I see it as different interpretations of one truth suffused with varyious dogma, superstitions, yadda yadda yadda, and yet the truth within the messages is not so different.

I absolutely love the Buddhist Teaching, the Wisdom of the Heart Sutra. It sounded very much to me like something Jesus would teach. I think Jesus was a closet Lama in his own country. I am btw speaking metaphorically but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he'd travelled east in his earlier adulthood.

I had one time where I woke up three times in the night and he (Jeshua) was going into depth with me regarding the Wisdom of the Heart Sutra contexted with Western teachings. I seriously wish I had taken notes and written down what I could recall at the time but I was too keen to get back to sleep and hear more. Nevertheless, the essence of the teachings are still in my mind. In my understanding, our subconscious holds a wealth of jewels which will rise when we need them. Its all there. Allowing access to our subconscious from our higher conscious prepares the soil for seeds to take root and thrive. (frees our minds from spiritualized clutter too I suppose)

Reminds me of another great parable.

(I prefer a Gospel of Thomas, so I will use its version).

Jesus said, "Listen, a sower came forth, took a handful, and cast. Now, some fell upon the path, and the birds came and picked them out. Others fell upon rock, and they did not take root in the soil, and did not send up ears. And others fell upon the thorns, and they choked the seed; and the grubs devoured them. And others fell upon good soil, and it sent up good crops and yielded sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure.

The thing I most love about this parable is that the sower shared out the seed everywhere, regardless of the conditions or appearance of where he sowed. To me this says that all of us are chosen but few choose to listen. No special ones. It all comes down to us.

PEACE BROTHER!

[passerbye999]

A mania is a realease from suffering(depression)it is the mind trying to find reason for the insanity that surrounds it it is not truly an insane mind. The bubble bursts and abstract becomes the norm like Dali the mind finds inspiration in it. The mind embraces the abstract for the non abstract strangled it subjecting it to violent abuse. When the dust settles there is a peace unlike anything before felt they call it euporia but it is enlightenment.
For the first time the suffering ceases and a oneness with the self ensues.
Self forgiveness a realease of guilt placed on one by others happens. One embraces love and wants the world to experience it with them. One becomes other religious figures mainly to understand that persons experience directly.

To become satan one starts to understand Satan and fear of Satan dissapears for you see Satan in yourself. You see God in yourself. You see you are Buddha in yourself. Now you are redeemed. No need for sanctification or communion. Your salvation is at hand in yourself.

I've got this as a recent post but can't find it on the thread, Fred! (most annoying).

To me enlightenment is flashes of light, that illuminate the dark of my unknowing. It is the carrier wave between what was and what will be, which lifts our head above water for a brief instant of pleasure. In terms of time, the ego disappears because the future has no identity, which is all that the past is (burying our heads in endarkenment and refusing to acknowledge the light of a greater reality). The separate 'I' is the refusal to be 'response-able' for something. No split as you say means acknowledging both sides of existence, even within ourselves (understanding them): No bad out there/ no good in here (No hero, no villain - no castle or position to defend, just realization that you are facing yourself in another or 'the other'
The Victorians had a thing about sex and the paranormal, both because they were the unpredictable nature of reality (You can't fit the wild in a box/you cannot make the giant small - there will always be an unknown future and a known past (order and chaos/ confusion and clarity). You can't fit some things in a box and still expect them to work as such effort crushes them to death: We need space to breathe - none and we suffocate.

Sorry Bud I felt self conscious for some reason and erased it. If you have a copy of it somehow send it to me and I will repost it. I like what you said"To me enlightenment is flashes of light, that illuminate the dark of my unknowing. It is the carrier wave between what was and what will be, which lifts our head above water for a brief instant of pleasure." Very poetic. I agree unknowing is like gasping for air while knowing is like a deep meditative breath. Where like the Essenes darkness is symbolic for ignorance and light for wisdom. Experience is what seperates the two and in the end brings them together. For enlightenment is wisdom understood through direct experience whereas wisdom is knowledge understood through direct experience. Understanding comes only through experience. ;)

Peace

[passerbye999]

Thanks. :)

I love east and west and inbetween a lot like you. I see it as different interpretations of one truth suffused with varyious dogma, superstitions, yadda yadda yadda, and yet the truth within the messages is not so different.

I absolutely love the Buddhist Teaching, the Wisdom of the Heart Sutra. It sounded very much to me like something Jesus would teach. I think Jesus was a closet Lama in his own country. I am btw speaking metaphorically but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he'd travelled east in his earlier adulthood.

I had one time where I woke up three times in the night and he (Jeshua) was going into depth with me regarding the Wisdom of the Heart Sutra contexted with Western teachings. I seriously wish I had taken notes and written down what I could recall at the time but I was too keen to get back to sleep and hear more. Nevertheless, the essence of the teachings are still in my mind. In my understanding, our subconscious holds a wealth of jewels which will rise when we need them. Its all there. Allowing access to our subconscious from our higher conscious prepares the soil for seeds to take root and thrive. (frees our minds from spiritualized clutter too I suppose)

Reminds me of another great parable.

(I prefer a Gospel of Thomas, so I will use its version).



The thing I most love about this parable is that the sower shared out the seed everywhere, regardless of the conditions or appearance of where he sowed. To me this says that all of us are chosen but few choose to listen. No special ones. It all comes down to us.

PEACE BROTHER!

The Heart sutra is cool. The others are good too but generally too long winded for simple teachings. " Gone , Gone, Gone Beyond, Gone altogether Beyond"

There is a mode of thought that our teacher did travel to the east in his youth. I beleive this it is where the wise men came from and the parallels are definately there. I wrote a bit on it in my thread relinquishing the "I". I like the Gospel of Thomas as well it is most likely older than the other Gospels and closest to the quellum or "Q" document. The church doesn't like it but so what I don't like the church. There is a little known gospel called the "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" that is said to have been found in a Tibetan Monestary written in Aramaic. I own a copy it is awesome reading. Jesus refers to God as Father/Mother and there is no virgin birth just like the Torah. The Torah simply states in Isaiah that a young woman will give birth not a virgin. The church is a big propaganda machine. I have a copy of the Dead Sea Scrolls copy of Isaiah the oldest one probably the one Jesus himself read or a similar one. Says the same thing.

I agree about the conscious subconscious connection it is where innate wisdom and intuition are derived from. I have conversations in my sleep sometimes as well and during meditation. When the conscious mind is relaxed the subconcious can speak more clearly. it is a still small voice of it's own. There is a point where the two meet when you are not really awake and not really asleep. This is the sweet spot. Where two minds and two realities come together. It is where we lucid dream it is about the only type of sleep I get. Not always restful but always imformative.

It is interesting how Joshua and Baal use this time. Horus and Set tweaking the scales. With Osirus (YHWH) and Isis (Ruach Ha kodesh- the Holy Spirit) watching on and listening in chiming in when appropriate. After all Israel is Isis, Ra and El; the moon, the sun, and God. Moses carried with him all the secrets of Egypt. It is where the concept of the Holy of holies comes from after all. Similar concepts as well yet shows that the universe is lesser than God. Jesus and his adversary though Satan is very much like the incarnated story of Horus and Set. Similar stories yet different realities. Without the intimate interaction Of YHWH, Sophia and Jesus though it would all be very confusing. One a myth the other a reality.

I will say the constellation Orion holds a lot of secrets. I am not into astrology but have been part of some weird stuff when it comes to this constellation. The aliens of my story. They are still secrets to me that is why I refer to them as secrets. I wish I could know the answers and pray everynight for them. Anyway why I said that I have no idea just talking I suppose. I go on tangents alot as you can see. Sometimes I just enjoy writing thoughts onto the page and go with the flow. Have you read the Diamond sutra it is good reading as well. In Chan there is the Platform sutra which is a good summary of what Chan or Zen really is. Has a good section on dhyana or meditation.

Back to conversations with God. Some people make a fortune with it there is no reason to feel self conscious about it. Though I do admit sometimes I wish I never visited this site in the first place and posted what I did. Other times someone posts something nice like yourself and it makes it all worth while. When I was younger and spoke about such things I was wise beyond my years after being diagnosed I was just crazy. Who cares though I am in good company.

In the ward I met some interesting people some crazy as hell but all interesting. Most extermely intelligent and gifted, some very sad cases.
You learn quickly to discern the mad from the prophets(those touched by God). It all lies in how they act and what they say. Truth is truth no matter who it comes from or what condition they find themselves in.

Anyway that is enough for now.

Namaste Sister

[quilliard]

Hey everyone,

Yeah Observer333 it does sound like the story. So I guess "We" are the ones that are able to perceive it are the ones "returning", so to speak.

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

Hey everyone,

Yeah Observer333 it does sound like the story. So I guess "We" are the ones that are able to perceive it are the ones "returning", so to speak.

Shock the Karma

Yes, I think so, Prodigal Sons returning Home. And according to the parable of the sower, I'd say, we are not the rocky ground or the well travelled path but we just have to watch for thorns so the seeds will flourish.

Heres one of my favorite sayings from A Gospel of Thomas:

And Jesus said: I have lit a fire upon the world and see I watch over it until it blazes.

Why are so many here at this time? I intuit its because they want to be a part of that show, to witness and be a part of that blazing, aka mass awakening.

YES! That YES! is what the world needs now!

Peace Brother!

[quilliard]

Yes, I think so, Prodigal Sons returning Home. And according to the parable of the sower, I'd say, we are not the rocky ground or the well travelled path but we just have to watch for thorns so the seeds will flourish.

Heres one of my favorite sayings from A Gospel of Thomas:

And Jesus said: I have lit a fire upon the world and see I watch over it until it blazes.

Why are so many here at this time? I intuit its because they want to be a part of that show, to witness and be a part of that blazing, aka mass awakening.

YES! That YES! is what the world needs now!

Peace Brother!

That line makes a lot of sense to me, when I was in Sacramento I was told that after I died I was allowed to set the world on fire. Passerbye999 had the same message sent to him.

And the term "Show" is so dead on. That is what I get to, in the past when I was being "pushed around" so to speak, every now and again I could "hear" someone say "I love this show."

I find that all "religions" and ways of thought are coming together and seeing the common thread between us.

Shock the Karma

[paigetheoracle]

Yes, I think so, Prodigal Sons returning Home. And according to the parable of the sower, I'd say, we are not the rocky ground or the well travelled path but we just have to watch for thorns so the seeds will flourish.

Heres one of my favorite sayings from A Gospel of Thomas:

And Jesus said: I have lit a fire upon the world and see I watch over it until it blazes.

Why are so many here at this time? I intuit its because they want to be a part of that show, to witness and be a part of that blazing, aka mass awakening.

YES! That YES! is what the world needs now!

Peace Brother!

I thought that was what I was here for but I'm not so sure now. For me it's like I've blundered into what I thought was going to be a party, only to discover it's a wake, not a-wake! (Ignored like I'm Rodney Dangerfield, not Rod's uncle Safefield).

[quilliard]

I thought that was what I was here for but I'm not so sure now. For me it's like I've blundered into what I thought was going to be a party, only to discover it's a wake, not a-wake! (Ignored like I'm Rodney Dangerfield, not Rod's uncle Safefield).

The waiting is the hardest part.

[passerbye999]

The waiting is the hardest part.

The greater the message the less well it is received. The world is in imformation overload. There is a book or blog for everything. It is why I haven't written a book and find a weird solace in this thread. Don't let it get you down all philosophers and prophets works became famous posthumously.
Very few received any form of accredation in their lives. Just do what you love and do it well it is reward enough. Someone will hear.
Just like poetry it runs in circles. There is a circle here.
Peace

[paigetheoracle]

The waiting is the hardest part.

Waited long enough. I'm a convert of the 'If at first you don't succeed, give up' brigade. I'm fed up with the stick and the carrot doesn't interest me anymore. End of story. If I'm famous after I'm dead what good is that going to do me in the here and now? I have to be able to sell someone my ideas so that they exist after I'm gone but nobody is buying my ideas and flogging a dead horse only helps if you're baron Frankenstein and I'm not.

[paigetheoracle]

The greater the message the less well it is received. Don't let it get you down all philosophers and prophets works became famous posthumously.
Very few received any form of accredation in their lives. Just do what you love and do it well it is reward enough. Someone will hear.
Just like poetry it runs in circles. There is a circle here.
Peace

Or as Hitler put it, the greater the lie, the better it will sell.

Someone will hear? No they won't, they didn't and at three books sold and one given away, of the philosophy book - that is practically that (Not one single book has been sold of the English language book, so that is even less successful). I'm going through the motions but I don't have any hope because there isn't any and I've reached the perverse stage of only hoping it will, so that I can tell anybody interested and wants to talk to me about it, to F off. This is the full circle I've achieved - from wanting to be successful, to wanting revenge against the world for not being. There are negative people on this site who only want an excuse to attack others, to release their frustrations and I've joined them. I just hate at the moment and want to get out of this world because I no longer see it as my potential home but a prison, where my whole existence is ignored as much as possible by the warders and who I spend time in the exercise yard with fellow inmates.

[quilliard]

Or as Hitler put it, the greater the lie, the better it will sell.

Someone will hear? No they won't, they didn't and at three books sold and one given away, of the philosophy book - that is practically that (Not one single book has been sold of the English language book, so that is even less successful). I'm going through the motions but I don't have any hope because there isn't any and I've reached the perverse stage of only hoping it will, so that I can tell anybody interested and wants to talk to me about it, to F off. This is the full circle I've achieved - from wanting to be successful, to wanting revenge against the world for not being. There are negative people on this site who only want an excuse to attack others, to release their frustrations and I've joined them. I just hate at the moment and want to get out of this world because I no longer see it as my potential home but a prison, where my whole existence is ignored as much as possible by the warders and who I spend time in the exercise yard with fellow inmates.

Oh Page, you are so in tune, you do not even realize it anymore. Look what you wrote in the past.

I have to say I am with you 100% about "surrendering". I still send my work out there, but I can't seem to catch a break either. I have done everything I am supposed to do and the big "reward" is Zilch with a Pain chaser. I know what you mean.

One thing many have told me from the beginning is "There is no reward for this. There is no prize."

For years since this started for me, "one" of the lessons I was supposed to learn was to not "want". But that is impossible in life, to live is to want. When we need to relieve ourselves we want to use the restroom, when we are hungry, we want to eat, and so on. So for me this has been impossible to achieve, hell the act of trying to achieve this is considered "want". That is why sometimes I like to say to my self "Silly Buddha, you "want" me to stop "wanting"? That is strange?"

Page you are alright in my book and someone that I trust when I read what they wrote.

You know for me if I could have a wish come true and just be selfish about it (Which never happens) It would be to acquire enough to get me through this life where I could just go out to a big field and sit until I died. Buddha was lucky that way, being a Prince allows you more freedom to just say "Oh screw it" and sit in the yard. Or just die for that matter. That would be cool in my book too.

I feel I am done with my job here. I have done everything I ever wanted to do. Had as much sex as I want, smoked all I care to, eat all I care to taste and have witnessed enough.

Every night before I go to bed I pray that I do not wake in the morning. It is not a matter of having lack of hope or faith that things will be ok, but that this is it. I figured out enough, many are not going to let me "do" my thing (Even though they scream "Freedom of religion" for themselves.)

I just realized I am just rambling on. My point is:

Page I appreciate you. Thank you for helping me understand and become at ease to what is happening. You have affected my life in a positive way. Thank you.

Here is a little song just for you.

Foo Fighters - Best Of You - Live Earth 4/5 - YouTube

Shock the Karma

[paigetheoracle]

Oh Page, you are so in tune, you do not even realize it anymore. Look what you wrote in the past.

I have to say I am with you 100% about "surrendering". I still send my work out there, but I can't seem to catch a break either. I have done everything I am supposed to do and the big "reward" is Zilch with a Pain chaser. I know what you mean.

One thing many have told me from the beginning is "There is no reward for this. There is no prize."

For years since this started for me, "one" of the lessons I was supposed to learn was to not "want". But that is impossible in life, to live is to want. When we need to relieve ourselves we want to use the restroom, when we are hungry, we want to eat, and so on. So for me this has been impossible to achieve, hell the act of trying to achieve this is considered "want". That is why sometimes I like to say to my self "Silly Buddha, you "want" me to stop "wanting"? That is strange?"

Page you are alright in my book and someone that I trust when I read what they wrote.

You know for me if I could have a wish come true and just be selfish about it (Which never happens) It would be to acquire enough to get me through this life where I could just go out to a big field and sit until I died. Buddha was lucky that way, being a Prince allows you more freedom to just say "Oh screw it" and sit in the yard. Or just die for that matter. That would be cool in my book too.

I feel I am done with my job here. I have done everything I ever wanted to do. Had as much sex as I want, smoked all I care to, eat all I care to taste and have witnessed enough.

Every night before I go to bed I pray that I do not wake in the morning. It is not a matter of having lack of hope or faith that things will be ok, but that this is it. I figured out enough, many are not going to let me "do" my thing (Even though they scream "Freedom of religion" for themselves.)

I just realized I am just rambling on. My point is:

Page I appreciate you. Thank you for helping me understand and become at ease to what is happening. You have affected my life in a positive way. Thank you.

Here is a little song just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1BUzoiA1Kc

Shock the Karma

I feel like I'm eating prison pap (food, entertainment, everything is just so 'nothing' It doesn't stir me or interest me and leaves me empty), so I understand what you mean too. I too didn't want much out of life but I haven't got it. I didn't want a reward, just acknowledgment and even not that so much as having my stuff used and it simply and obviously isn't going to be! I watched a mothership flying over my school in my teens and was amazed at my school friends totally ignoring its existence and now I'm getting the same treatment from society itself, so naturally I'm pissed off. It's like I've spent my life jumping up and down in front of what I thought was a window but to those on the other side it's a one way mirror, not a two.

I know I'm normally in tune but everybody has their lows and this is one of mine (Sorry guys!). At least it isn't aimed at anybody in particular but the dog got it this morning and if anybody had complained, they would have got a mouthful of my frustration too.

[quilliard]

I feel like I'm eating prison pap (food, entertainment, everything is just so 'nothing' It doesn't stir me or interest me and leaves me empty), so I understand what you mean too. I too didn't want much out of life but I haven't got it. I didn't want a reward, just acknowledgment and even not that so much as having my stuff used and it simply and obviously isn't going to be! I watched a mothership flying over my school in my teens and was amazed at my school friends totally ignoring its existence and now I'm getting the same treatment from society itself, so naturally I'm pissed off. It's like I've spent my life jumping up and down in front of what I thought was a window but to those on the other side it's a one way mirror, not a two.

I know I'm normally in tune but everybody has their lows and this is one of mine (Sorry guys!). At least it isn't aimed at anybody in particular but the dog got it this morning and if anybody had complained, they would have got a mouthful of my frustration too.

It is tough sometimes, most times actually. I feel you on the two-way mirror thing. I feel I have seen through it though. The key to a "Two-way mirror" is to keep one side dark. If both are lit you can see through it.

This morning, I woke with a "voice" telling me "Attack! Hurry before 6 a.m. Call for an attack." I replied "Why? What are we attacking?". Today I did truly surrender.

It just seems like so many are saying the same things over and over again. Maybe we should just stop. Just stop. Sit and do nothing. Just do nothing. Just let them have this God forsaken rock and let them all rot like they want.

Let them turn "Eden" into "Hell" and just sit with no notice. Just let them kill themselves and let them do it again and again until the end of time. Screw 'em if they can't take a joke. You know.

I feel that I have much power in me that is ready to explode, I feel that there are many like me and you, many that could just go to the "Dark" side so to speak and force the them to TASTE THEIR OWN PAIN, with out even realizing we are doing it.

And you know the strange thing is that kind of stuff works in this life, but just for this life.

Or maybe that is the test, to see if we do explode.

Once a long time ago when I started to figure out how to meditate to "Get there" I "flew" through a field and landed on a plane that surrounded many black "bubbles" which I could only assume made up one large bubble. I could not see the edges. But what I could see is when I got close to one of the smaller bubbles was a "Universe" inside each one.

That is why I think I get the message "Stay in your on yard." Prison/Home metaphor.

Each similar, yet a little different. Sometimes I think I was just stuck in this "cube" so they could find me quickly. I feel that is what it is like for a lot.

We are told we have a purpose in life, but are never told what that is. And god forbid we do find a calling in life, then it is like we are just beaten into submission again, unless the idea is really f*d up.

But I digress...

For me, I have come to the point where I do believe I am, and I have received reply for my "God" and I do have faith, just not in the bunch of "Silly monkeys" that are currently running our "Reality", but then do I have faith? Actually I do have faith in "Man", I just don't think they have faith in themselves. And again does that mean I lost faith?

Page, I wish you the most beautiful day and just wonderful thoughts for today and the rest of your journey. I am going to put in an "Order" for it. ;)

Shock the Karma

[paigetheoracle]

It is tough sometimes, most times actually. I feel you on the two-way mirror thing. I feel I have seen through it though. The key to a "Two-way mirror" is to keep one side dark. If both are lit you can see through it.

This morning, I woke with a "voice" telling me "Attack! Hurry before 6 a.m. Call for an attack." I replied "Why? What are we attacking?". Today I did truly surrender.

It just seems like so many are saying the same things over and over again. Maybe we should just stop. Just stop. Sit and do nothing. Just do nothing. Just let them have this God forsaken rock and let them all rot like they want.

Let them turn "Eden" into "Hell" and just sit with no notice. Just let them kill themselves and let them do it again and again until the end of time. Screw 'em if they can't take a joke. You know.

I feel that I have much power in me that is ready to explode, I feel that there are many like me and you, many that could just go to the "Dark" side so to speak and force the them to TASTE THEIR OWN PAIN, with out even realizing we are doing it.

And you know the strange thing is that kind of stuff works in this life, but just for this life.

Or maybe that is the test, to see if we do explode.

Once a long time ago when I started to figure out how to meditate to "Get there" I "flew" through a field and landed on a plane that surrounded many black "bubbles" which I could only assume made up one large bubble. I could not see the edges. But what I could see is when I got close to one of the smaller bubbles was a "Universe" inside each one.

That is why I think I get the message "Stay in your on yard." Prison/Home metaphor.

Each similar, yet a little different. Sometimes I think I was just stuck in this "cube" so they could find me quickly. I feel that is what it is like for a lot.

We are told we have a purpose in life, but are never told what that is. And god forbid we do find a calling in life, then it is like we are just beaten into submission again, unless the idea is really f*d up.

But I digress...

For me, I have come to the point where I do believe I am, and I have received reply for my "God" and I do have faith, just not in the bunch of "Silly monkeys" that are currently running our "Reality".

Page, I wish you the most beautiful day and just wonderful thoughts for today and the rest of your journey. I am going to put in an "Order" for it. ;)

Shock the Karma

The two way mirror and keeping one side dark - yes I like that as it means I become the dispassionate observer again, instead of the impassioned monkey screaming at the screen (Ah, ah; oh, oh - you get the picture I'm sure: Got to go back to laughing at this insanity instead of taking it seriously). I think the want part of this is the folly of believing that this computer generated game is reality and getting carried away with it ('It's only a dream' Sheryl Crow, I believe?). Watching a 3-D movie once, I had the revelation that things appear real if you 'move with' them and not if you stayed dispassionate and separate ('Don't do it Superman!' as a guy screamed at the screen, when Christopher Reeve went to kiss Michael Caine in a film).

'Screw them if they can't take a joke!' Church of the Subgenius I assume - my saving grace after I left Scientology. God, we seem to have at least two things in common (By 'God, I didn't mean I thought you were 'God' just thought I'd mention that).

[quilliard]

The two way mirror and keeping one side dark - yes I like that as it means I become the dispassionate observer again, instead of the impassioned monkey screaming at the screen (Ah, ah; oh, oh - you get the picture I'm sure: Got to go back to laughing at this insanity instead of taking it seriously). I think the want part of this is the folly of believing that this computer generated game is reality and getting carried away with it ('It's only a dream' Sheryl Crow, I believe?). Watching a 3-D movie once, I had the revelation that things appear real if you 'move with' them and not if you stayed dispassionate and separate ('Don't do it Superman!' as a guy screamed at the screen, when Christopher Reeve went to kiss Michael Caine in a film).

'Screw them if they can't take a joke!' Church of the Subgenius I assume - my saving grace after I left Scientology. God, we seem to have at least two things in common (By 'God, I didn't mean I thought you were 'God' just thought I'd mention that).

I know that I am not the "One true God", your funny. We are all part of "One" though. Any way.

I am not familiar with the "Church of the Subgenius", the reason I said that was that the ones that come to me, some think this is very funny. They think this is a big laugh riot to watch as they know the outcome. Like a movie they have seen before.

Whatever. I am done trying to figure it out.

I am going out to walk as long as I can and see what happens. Maybe today will be the day that I finally get an interview for a job with all the resumes I have sent out, or maybe today is the day that my "job hunt" is over. Maybe today is the day. Ahhh, to dream.

Have a great one.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

Guys I emphasize with you both. you know after reading your posts I have to say that you both seem to be more articulate on this thread in your pain and anguish. It is not funny but another form of the revelation of truth. The "Suffering Servant" reincarted in you both. The "Suffering Servant" Isaiah's prophecy for the coming of the "Everlasting Prince of Peace"

" Through the suffering and anguish of his soul he shall see the light."

I memorized this passage because in my last mania it became oh so clear. It is a prophecy for all who are redeemed by it. You know what I mean. It is blazen how it has shone through for both of you. What I meant by a circle is this Quadruple that has seemed to form. Each person giving hope to the other through a wonderful philosophical and theological debate.

sometimes I feel embarrassed but not hopeless. My embarrassment comes from my depressions they needle me into beleiving I am a false prophet as well. I am not though for my words ring true to the essence of the Human Condition. So do both of yours my Brother Elohim (Sons of God). There is a Daughter as well that has been posting. I agree most of the drivel on this site is not truth not even close. For example the posting about Bruce lee where they give 4 stars to his philosophy. His philosophy is all borrowed and in the end it killed him. For it was false philosophy yet the movie industry makes him out to be a God. You know in most true martial arts cirlcles he was considered a punk with no self control for he always spent his time trying to prove himself through both contests and the movie screen. Even his teacher had an abverse relationship with him.

What I am trying to say is don't let the mass get down the few. if your soul and spirit cries out to be heard. then shout from the rooftops(Fiddler on the Roof!). I still consider Bruce a hero of mine from the big screen but Jackie Chan is FAR BETTER AND HIS MESSAGE IS FAR BETTER. HE IS A TRUE MASTER WHO GREW UP IN THE CHINESE OPERA DEDICATING HIS LIFE TO HIS ART. He is and older man now yet has not changed only grew better with time like an aged wine. Does anyone give him the props he deserves in the west he has always been overshadowed by a lesser man. In China though he is the Hero.

Bruce wasn't even that fast or good. For exaple his one inch punch, even I can do the same thing but with no distance or effort, he knew nothing about ching, chi and shen and there are others who put me to shame nut the people will never know or see them. He just came into the seen at the right time and was very flashy. Flashy though gets you killed in the long run. I say this because it is truth. Proven over the test of time. yet people in their ignorance have no idea of the truth for they never search for it. My friends you do and have. Paige when I recieve your book I will read it and post my thought right here like I did for Quillard. I read his work enjoyed it and said so. His use of characters was brilliant, maybe more brilliant than the story he wrote. What I mean Quilliard is that they were the story a story within a story. Maybe you meant to achieve that maybe you didn't but it is there.

Maybe we don't recieve recgonition except through each other who cares. Remember if even one person heres and gains from it it is worth a life time of pain and suffering. I embrace the pain and suffering it makes me stronger. Others try to escape it why? Buddha had it all wrong yet he had many things right. No different than us for he was just a man. Crazy as hell just like the rest of the great past figures of the world. Do you beleive there is no God? He did yet God is very real. Do you beleive there is no immortal soul or spirit? He did yet the Holy Spirit proves this false. The only good and true teachings he had were related to the training of the mind.

Jesus did to. In the parable of the sower there is another message. It relates to the training of the mind and spirit and soul. The mind is like the earth, like a fertile garden. You can plant seeds either roses or thistles(Still beautiful flowers as the people profess and I agree even though there are pricks the flowers are beautiful.) I digress you can plant weeds or flowes the soil like the mind is indifferent. When the seeds are cast on the rocks nothing grows an empty mind when the seeds are cast on the path they are trampled by other thoughts improper thoughts. When the seeds are cast on good soil good thoughts flourish like a mustard seed. The flowers of the feild do not labour or spin they know intuitively the grace of the creator. The birds of the air do not worry all is provided for them.

I hope you understand the cross Buddhist/Christian message I am sharing. I learned these things in manias and made them part of me in depression. I am seldom level but when I am it all comes together like right now at this moment in this discourse. Take hope my friends and do not worry all will come to fruitation at the given time. A time that only the Creator knows. Do you trust? If not worry not for it will come to pass anyway and justification will be yours. Remember " Many who come to me on that day calling my name I will rebuke, saying" You call my name yet I know you not" Those who where rebuked by man in my name I will embrace like Prodgidal Son's I will give them the keys to Heaven."

Take heart and keep conversing. People do read this thread. Forgive my loose quotes that I embellish to make my points stronger but I always invoke poetic liscence. I think I have spoken enough please do not take me the wrong way there are 3 great things Faith, Hope and Love but the greatest of these is love forget not to love yourselves.

Peace

[passerbye999]

I would like to add some relevant passages from some other enlightened people of the past.

New International Version (©1984) Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’?



<< 1 Corinthians 13 >>
New International Version
 

1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,b but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


<< 1 Corinthians 14 >>
New International Version
 

Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues
1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.b 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,c but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues,d unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.
13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understande say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
“Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,”f
says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understandg or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understandh comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”
Orderly Worship
26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.i
39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.


When 2 or 3 join together in God’s name that becomes a Church. What is a church though but simply a congregation of believers. No need for cult ideas. Just people of similar beliefs and ideas sharing and finding solace in each others words. Cathedrals are not necessary neither are buildings it is a universal idea. We are all temples and the concept of union brings us together. I disagree with the part about Women's roles but every enlightened person is not perfect. Even Paul. Even Jesus. Even Buddha. No human being is perfect but there is always truth that can be found. There is no monopoly on truth and no one contains it all. That is why people should come together. Speaking in tongues is the babble of the manic so is prophecy. Doesn't mean it should be disregarded rather it should be studied.

Peace

[quilliard]

Thanks for the quotes Passerbye999.

I have too say the "Starting a church" thing really throws me back though. That is the last thing that I hope comes from this.

I am feeling a bit "lied" too right now, not by you, but by...

I will talk to you later.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

Thanks for the quotes Passerbye999.

I have too say the "Starting a church" thing really throws me back though. That is the last thing that I hope comes from this.

I am feeling a bit "lied" too right now, not by you, but by...

I will talk to you later.

Shock the Karma

I do not intend to start a church here nor do i want to. What i meant is that when people come together for a common cause they find comfort in each others words. I did not intend to preach but show that prophecy and being a god small "g" so to speak is not a new concept nor is it necessaily delusional. Also my point was that the so called holy men of the past would probably need pills too if they lived in our age. They same words are spoken by them that you have spoken Quillard. I used these passages solely as a comparison to show we are not necessarily thick as toast as Paiges quote says. These are not new ideas but as old as mankind. Just because we use them we are termed crazy and find dissapointment because we are not listened too. I think that is dissapointing in itself. I will not erase the posts because they also show enlightenment is not reserved to Buddhists and Hindu's alone. Enlightenment is not far from home for everyone. The whole point of me mentioning church and it's definition also was to point out church is not necessary to be an enlightened person of faith either. I personally hate the church so i would never want to start one. The"Church" is responsible for the deaths of many enlightened and innocent people. It is a "Temple of Blood and Hypocracy" not God. We are the temples there is no need for church I used the term because i was referencing a quote by Jesus that is all and i beleive he was teaching a similar message. If you prefer my friend I could use the word "coven" just kidding (satanist reference). we are all christs and anti christs both at the same time.

Peace

[observer333]

Just reading all your posts and I so relate. I hope you don't mind the way I keep quoting others or mentioning songs. I just often have feelings or things I wish to say which are without words, and when I seek to find the words to say what I wish to say, my mind often finds a song or saying that retains the essence.

There is a Cat Stevens song called "can't Keep it in" and I have often felt like that song, bursting to share or extend a message. Unfortunately I too have found that my messages are often not well received. Jesus says somewhere in the Bible that "No Prophet is welcome in his hometown". I really get what he is saying here. The only time my messages have been accepted has been teaching in virtual reality classrooms on Paltalk or occasionally on forums like this one. Unfortunately, once people start to see our faults, idiosychrosies and generally human traits, they often associate these with hypocrisy.

I too started to write a book back in 2003 but the book was never published or even finished. It is now so outdated and my understanding has changed so much that I wouldnt even want it to be. I don't know, excuse me for rambling on, but I think we need to simply trust that we will have the right words to say in the right moment, that we will be shown if we learn to step back and be still. Don't forget the ripple that even one teeny pebble can create.

I thought I was going to become an author, a teacher and start a healing sanctuary (spiritualised ego maybe in my case). Instead I am being guided to teach Maths, English, Science and Art to Primary School aged children. I most certainly won't be speaking lots of spiritual talk in a public school, but I can instead teach by setting an example and in little ways as I am guided. In the Big Picture we do play our part and who is to say how much of an effect our seeming little endeavours might set in motion.

Sorry for blahing on. For me it just comes down to trust. Trusting in me, my Inner Source and in my brothers and sisters divinity. Trusting that they are hearing that still small voice more and more each day, even if they do not yet recognise it for anything other than another possibility, a choice they might make instead.

I don't know really but what I do know is that it's all ok, we're gonna make it.

**Associated idea which says in another way what I am feeling/intuiting!

100 Monkeys! (If you don't know this one, google it).
One Mind: Collective Consciousness! As we shift and awaken, we bring that understanding so much closer to others once they are ready for it. I have had aha moments reflecting back to something someone has said 15 years earlier. As in, OMG, that's what they were saying. I finally get it. Their message was heard though they never got to see it.

We will be heard. TRUST. Maybe a lot of our teaching/extending is occurring internally rather than externally. We are sowing seeds.

Check this link and skip to 9:55. Very Short Message.

Peace!

[passerbye999]

Just reading all your posts and I so relate. I hope you don't mind the way I keep quoting others or mentioning songs. I just often have feelings or things I wish to say which are without words, and when I seek to find the words to say what I wish to say, my mind often finds a song or saying that retains the essence.

There is a Cat Stevens song called "can't Keep it in" and I have often felt like that song, bursting to share or extend a message. Unfortunately I too have found that my messages are often not well received. Jesus says somewhere in the Bible that "No Prophet is welcome in his hometown". I really get what he is saying here. The only time my messages have been accepted has been teaching in virtual reality classrooms on Paltalk or occasionally on forums like this one. Unfortunately, once people start to see our faults, idiosychrosies and generally human traits, they often associate these with hypocrisy.

I too started to write a book back in 2003 but the book was never published or even finished. It is now so outdated and my understanding has changed so much that I wouldnt even want it to be. I don't know, excuse me for rambling on, but I think we need to simply trust that we will have the right words to say in the right moment, that we will be shown if we learn to step back and be still. Don't forget the ripple that even one teeny pebble can create.

I thought I was going to become an author, a teacher and start a healing sanctuary (spiritualised ego maybe in my case). Instead I am being guided to teach Maths, English, Science and Art to Primary School aged children. I most certainly won't be speaking lots of spiritual talk in a public school, but I can instead teach by setting an example and in little ways as I am guided. In the Big Picture we do play our part and who is to say how much of an effect our seeming little endeavours might set in motion.

Sorry for blahing on. For me it just comes down to trust. Trusting in me, my Inner Source and in my brothers and sisters divinity. Trusting that they are hearing that still small voice more and more each day, even if they do not yet recognise it for anything other than another possibility, a choice they might make instead.

I don't know really but what I do know is that it's all ok, we're gonna make it.

**Associated idea which says in another way what I am feeling/intuiting!

100 Monkeys! (If you don't know this one, google it).
One Mind: Collective Consciousness! As we shift and awaken, we bring that understanding so much closer to others once they are ready for it. I have had aha moments reflecting back to something someone has said 15 years earlier. As in, OMG, that's what they were saying. I finally get it. Their message was heard though they never got to see it.

We will be heard. TRUST. Maybe a lot of our teaching/extending is occurring internally rather than externally. We are sowing seeds.

Check this link and skip to 9:55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2NprECNvq4&feature=related). Very Short Message.

Peace!

I like your quotes and songs as well as your words. Pocahontas quote made me laugh not the idea but referencing a cartoon, a wise old tree though. Wisdom comes from the strangest places it just takes the eyes to see it and ears to hear it I guess.
I know what you mean by writings being outdated and then giving them up because you would have to rewrite everything. It is every writers nightmare.
It is probably why there have been so many sequels, trying to add in things left out or newly discovered.

You are correct I believe in that seeds take time to germinate then grow. It takes a full growing season or even seasons depending on the seed. recognition of the planter is not as important as the flower once grown. We have to keep reminding ourselves of that, each and every gardener. Nature takes care of the growing process we simply plant the seed. Not everyone can view the flower once grown either only those that come into contact with it, a picture doesn't do it justice so is usely overlooked.

"The hundredth monkey effect is a supposed phenomenon in which a learned behavior spreads instantaneously from one group of monkeys to all related monkeys once a critical number is reached. By generalization it means the instantaneous, paranormal spreading of an idea or ability to the remainder of a population once a certain portion of that population has heard of the new idea or learned the new ability."quote from wikipedia and we are strange monkeys.





Peace

[observer333]

THE HUNDREDTH MONKEY

The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30 years.

In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkeys liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant. An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new way and they taught their mothers too.

This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes - the exact number is not known.

Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes.

THEN IT HAPPENED!

By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough!

But notice. A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea

Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes.

Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!

Authors Details: Ken Keyes Jr.

PE-EE-EE-EEE-EEE-EACE! From one monkey to another! :D

[passerbye999]

THE HUNDREDTH MONKEY

The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30 years.

In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkeys liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant. An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new way and they taught their mothers too.

This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes - the exact number is not known.

Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes.

THEN IT HAPPENED!

By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough!

But notice. A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea

Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes.

Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind. Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people. But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!

Authors Details: Ken Keyes Jr.

PE-EE-EE-EEE-EEE-EACE! From one monkey to another! :D

Holy sweet potatoes batwoman;)

[paigetheoracle]

I know that I am not the "One true God", your funny. We are all part of "One" though. Any way.

I am not familiar with the "Church of the Subgenius", the reason I said that was that the ones that come to me, some think this is very funny. They think this is a big laugh riot to watch as they know the outcome. Like a movie they have seen before.

Whatever. I am done trying to figure it out.

I am going out to walk as long as I can and see what happens. Maybe today will be the day that I finally get an interview for a job with all the resumes I have sent out, or maybe today is the day that my "job hunt" is over. Maybe today is the day. Ahhh, to dream.

Have a great one.

Shock the Karma

The Church of the Subgenius is a mickey take on cults in general. It's most famous quotes are the one that set me off:-
'F- 'em if they can't take a joke'
'Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes - pull the wool over your own eyes!'
Swami Beyondananda is good for this kind of thing too but it's more word play than ideas (Steve Baehrman, I think is the guys real name or something like it).

As for your discarnate f(r)iends laughing because they've seen it all before. You've got to remember that we're part of the cast, not the audience, unlike them.

I've been rushing around like a mad game show contestant, trying to complete the course (language course in my particular instance) before the end of the show but my moaning is because I've realized that I'm not going to make it (Last two years have told me that - world events).

Still fame robs you of freedom (You become a wanted person, rather than anonymous). Wealth robs you of security (When you're poor, you've nothing else for others to be jealous of).

As the advert says 'Nothing works better than Anadin, so take nothing!' I've calmed down our wild dog by giving it space and time to come round (It bit me four times in the first year and none the following year): Angry people need space to act and time to think.

Positive action is the release of energy as negative action is binding it (suppression based on fear).

[paigetheoracle]

The trouble is negative emotions. When I'm on a high, all I need is to see a new concept for myself. The problem is when I 'want' someone else to understand or appreciate it and they don't. Of course that too can spur me on to find out 'why' they react that way and again it becomes a victory over death (giving up/ giving in and drifting away from life but it's all part of the rich pattern - no light without dark, no good without evil to compare it to, no future without a past).

[paigetheoracle]

By the way, talking of books. If anybody wants a copy of Empty Thoughts (my book) because like Passerbye, you liked my ideas, I've still got about half a dozen publicity copies my publisher sent me. All I ask in return is that you let other people know about it, especially Amazon's review section of it as it 'might' sell a few more copies (doubt it - any advance on 3 copies after a year?). There's no cost but I will need your address or a care of/ business address I can post it to, surface mail (not rich enough for air mail).

Like Observer though I see no permanent value of books but like the banter on this site and especially this category section, it makes you think. It is the equivalent of a mental snack or good film/ record etc. It makes no permanent impression but it's value is in passing through, like food (nothing lasts forever - it's just motion and e-motion, generating a response).

[quilliard]

The Church of the Subgenius is a mickey take on cults in general. It's most famous quotes are the one that set me off:-
'F- 'em if they can't take a joke'
'Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes - pull the wool over your own eyes!'
Swami Beyondananda is good for this kind of thing too but it's more word play than ideas (Steve Baehrman, I think is the guys real name or something like it).

As for your discarnate f(r)iends laughing because they've seen it all before. You've got to remember that we're part of the cast, not the audience, unlike them.

I've been rushing around like a mad game show contestant, trying to complete the course (language course in my particular instance) before the end of the show but my moaning is because I've realized that I'm not going to make it (Last two years have told me that - world events).

Still fame robs you of freedom (You become a wanted person, rather than anonymous). Wealth robs you of security (When you're poor, you've nothing else for others to be jealous of).

As the advert says 'Nothing works better than Anadin, so take nothing!' I've calmed down our wild dog by giving it space and time to come round (It bit me four times in the first year and none the following year): Angry people need space to act and time to think.

Positive action is the release of energy as negative action is binding it (suppression based on fear).

Paige, it is so strange to read what you wrote sometimes as what you write... Well, I have been "clued" in enough and have been "told" that this whole "Experience" (AND I SAY EXPERIENCE WITH SHARP SARCASM) is nothing more than a way to keep us distracted for what is happening. They are like games to just keep us preoccupied. A lot of "Wind 'em up and watch them go." Just one suggestion is all it really takes to screw with someones head.

Like for a while I was getting "We speak backwards, you have to speak backwards to communicate." So I jumped through all the hoops and then I "heard" that they could always understand, it was just a joke.

And of course there was the wonderful "Go find love" B.S. that nearly killed me from exhaustion.

Then there where all these visions of Jesus, young Jesus, Jesus on the cross, then the inevitable "Find Jesus."

Odd thing was I saw a kid that looked just like the vision when I went out. He was too young to be the same kid. But he sure looked like him. Whatever.

Then sitting with Buddha, then blah blah blah, then blah blah blah.

Always like I was a dog being commanded. But I digress.

The "Vibe" I am getting is that this has all been done to just keep some distracted from what is happening. Then I have been told that I am supposed to create my "Heaven" for doing such a good job in this life, but seriously that is not going to happen. For as in the past when I do create something it is just "stolen" from me.

The latest thing is that I am supposed to do is "Take a leap of Faith" and trust those that "MESSED UP SO MONUMENTALLY" as they where trying and they really thought they where helping even though they could have not been more wrong or selfish about what they where doing.

Also I would like to add something, Fame does not make you a prisoner, nor does wealth. I have had my 15 minutes already so to speak in the past (I was a comedian, woo-who.) never was rich though. And actually it is very freeing. It does allow you to get your message across and it does allow you the resources to do good.

But for some reason we are told that having more than you need is a curse, well this is always from the people that have too much.

Well anyway,

Happy Valentines day to all. I hope the your path brings you to love today.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

I thought I would share this today after the Biblical quotes of yesterday. It is from the Chuang tzu another Taoist text like the Tao Te Ching. It is not about God or Love or Prophecy but is also wise in it's message. I chose this passage because it summarizes the concepts of the Tao quite well.



" There is nothing which is not this; there is nothing which is not that. What cannot be seen by what (the other
person) can be known by myself. Hence I say, this emanates from that; that also derives from this. This is the
theory of the interdependence of this and that (relativity of standards).

Nevertheless, life arises from death, and vice versa. Possibility arises from impossibility, and vice versa.
Affirmation is based upon denial, and vice versa. Which being the case, the true sage rejects all distinctions and
takes his refuge in Heaven (Nature). For one may base it on this, yet this is also that and that is also this. This also
has its ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, and that also has its ‘right’ and ‘wrong.’ Does then the distinction between this and that
really exist or not? When this (subjective) and that (objective) are both without their correlates, that is the very
‘Axis of Tao.’ And when that Axis passes through the center at which all Infinities converge, affirmations and
denials alike blend into the infinite One. Hence it is said that there is nothing like using the Light.

To take a finger in illustration of a finger not being a finger is not so good as to take something which is not a finger
to illustrate that a finger is not a finger. To take a horse in illustration of a horse not being a horse is not so good as
to take something which is not a horse to illustrate that a horse is not a horse {12}. So with the universe which is
but a finger, but a horse. The possible is possible: the impossible is impossible. Tao operates, and the given results
follow; things receive names and are said to be what they are. Why are they so? They are said to be so! Why are
they not so? They are said to be not so! Things are so by themselves and have possibilities by themselves. There
is nothing which is not so and there is nothing which may not become so.

Therefore take, for instance, a twig and a pillar, or the ugly person and the great beauty, and all the strange and
monstrous transformations. These are all levelled together by Tao. Division is the same as creation; creation is the
same as destruction. There is no such thing as creation or destruction, for these conditions are again levelled
together into One.

Only the truly intelligent understand this principle of the levelling of all things into One. They discard the distinctions
and take refuge in the common and ordinary things. The common and ordinary things serve certain functions and
therefore retain the wholeness of nature. From this wholeness, one comprehends, and from comprehension, one
to the Tao. There it stops. To stop without knowing how it stops -- this is Tao."

It speaks of a similar truth to the diamond Sutra " A fire is not a fire though we call it a fire so it is fire." Categorizations are most times a hinderence to the process of enlightenment. Labeling things and labeling us. Once the labels are removed there can be understanding as we move toward the concept of One. Balance,cause and effect and change are irretivable truths yet balance is the answer to coping with cause and effect and change. Wei wu Wei action through no action, effortlessness guides us through the circles and spirals of life, through non doing doing is accomplished it is as natural as breathing. Heaven (Nature) takes care of everything all we need to do is follow. I hope you enjoy my friends.

Peace

[passerbye999]

The trouble is negative emotions. When I'm on a high, all I need is to see a new concept for myself. The problem is when I 'want' someone else to understand or appreciate it and they don't. Of course that too can spur me on to find out 'why' they react that way and again it becomes a victory over death (giving up/ giving in and drifting away from life but it's all part of the rich pattern - no light without dark, no good without evil to compare it to, no future without a past).

I totally relate. highs and lows create a "Despicable me". Like Steve Carrols character I am bad yet find the good in myself. Though sometimes my mind will not dare let me admit it. It took me 25 years to create my own Kung fu style only because i kept giving up. The task seemed overwhelming yet in the end I finished the beginning the rest now is gravy. I now have the rock, the foundation stone is complete i may never see the capstone but someone else will it is enough for me. The hardest part was building a solid foundation. As esoteric as it is you can see I hope the dilemmas I had, I ran out of other peoples knowledge and had to reach deep into myself. I think you can relate when i try to share these ideas even to my closest students it overwhelms them and the "shut down" temporarily. i need to dole it out in small amounts. Once they feel the teaching it is easier then to expand on the theory so the understand how it was formed. It is the same with all great ideas I think they are just to much for others sometimes even though they are clear as a bell to us and we have an overwhelming desire to share blurting them out all at once. Sometimes even creating anger from the person we try to share with.
It doesn't mean to keep it in, it is all about timing I believe.

Peace

[quilliard]

Passerbye999To take a finger in illustration of a finger not being a finger is not so good as to take something which is not a finger to illustrate that a finger is not a finger.

To take a horse in illustration of a horse not being a horse is not so good as
to take something which is not a horse to illustrate that a horse is not a horse {12}

Does the {12} mean to read that twelve times. Because I have to say that was kind of painful to get through once. And are you talking about Mr. Ed? Just teasing. :p

Can you say it in Canadian, aye?


To change the subject, you ever see this guy? Judo Lessons for Beginners : How to Do a Judo Hip Throw - YouTube looks like a way to learn from home.

Did you ever think of putting up a training series? You could show them a move and then at the end tag it with something to think about while they practice that move. Not about the attack bout something else. So it gets to the point of doing to things at once. I am going off.

Had a great valentines day. Heard from an old friend.

Talk to you later.

Shock the Karma.

[observer333]

I thought I would share this today after the Biblical quotes of yesterday. It is from the Chuang tzu another Taoist text like the Tao Te Ching. It is not about God or Love or Prophecy but is also wise in it's message. I chose this passage because it summarizes the concepts of the Tao quite well.



" There is nothing which is not this; there is nothing which is not that. What cannot be seen by what (the other
person) can be known by myself. Hence I say, this emanates from that; that also derives from this. This is the
theory of the interdependence of this and that (relativity of standards).

Nevertheless, life arises from death, and vice versa. Possibility arises from impossibility, and vice versa.
Affirmation is based upon denial, and vice versa. Which being the case, the true sage rejects all distinctions and
takes his refuge in Heaven (Nature). For one may base it on this, yet this is also that and that is also this. This also
has its ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, and that also has its ‘right’ and ‘wrong.’ Does then the distinction between this and that
really exist or not? When this (subjective) and that (objective) are both without their correlates, that is the very
‘Axis of Tao.’ And when that Axis passes through the center at which all Infinities converge, affirmations and
denials alike blend into the infinite One. Hence it is said that there is nothing like using the Light.

To take a finger in illustration of a finger not being a finger is not so good as to take something which is not a finger
to illustrate that a finger is not a finger. To take a horse in illustration of a horse not being a horse is not so good as
to take something which is not a horse to illustrate that a horse is not a horse {12}. So with the universe which is
but a finger, but a horse. The possible is possible: the impossible is impossible. Tao operates, and the given results
follow; things receive names and are said to be what they are. Why are they so? They are said to be so! Why are
they not so? They are said to be not so! Things are so by themselves and have possibilities by themselves. There
is nothing which is not so and there is nothing which may not become so.

Therefore take, for instance, a twig and a pillar, or the ugly person and the great beauty, and all the strange and
monstrous transformations. These are all levelled together by Tao. Division is the same as creation; creation is the
same as destruction. There is no such thing as creation or destruction, for these conditions are again levelled
together into One.

Only the truly intelligent understand this principle of the levelling of all things into One. They discard the distinctions
and take refuge in the common and ordinary things. The common and ordinary things serve certain functions and
therefore retain the wholeness of nature. From this wholeness, one comprehends, and from comprehension, one
to the Tao. There it stops. To stop without knowing how it stops -- this is Tao."

It speaks of a similar truth to the diamond Sutra " A fire is not a fire though we call it a fire so it is fire." Categorizations are most times a hinderence to the process of enlightenment. Labeling things and labeling us. Once the labels are removed there can be understanding as we move toward the concept of One. Balance,cause and effect and change are irretivable truths yet balance is the answer to coping with cause and effect and change. Wei wu Wei action through no action, effortlessness guides us through the circles and spirals of life, through non doing doing is accomplished it is as natural as breathing. Heaven (Nature) takes care of everything all we need to do is follow. I hope you enjoy my friends.

Peace

Great Stuff. Reminds me of a song.

No Right Angles - Ben Lee

I checked out the Diamond Sutra after your post the other day. Thanks for the prompt. Seems to be the theme for the moment so your prompting was right on cue. No-THING-ness! I loved this part which I will post below. It is very well communicated.

"Subhuti, any person who awakens faith upon hearing the words or phrases of this Sutra will accumulate countless blessings and merit."

"How do I know this? Because this person must have discarded all arbitrary notions of the existence of a personal self, of other people, or of a universal self. Otherwise their minds would still grasp after such relative conceptions. Furthermore, these people must have already discarded all arbitrary notions of the non-existence of a personal self, other people, or a universal self. Otherwise, their minds would still be grasping at such notions. Therefore anyone who seeks total Enlightenment should discard not only all conceptions of their own selfhood, of other selves, or of a universal self, but they should also discard all notions of the non-existence of such concepts."

"When the Buddha explains these things using such concepts and ideas, people should remember the unreality of all such concepts and ideas. They should recall that in teaching spiritual truths the Buddha always uses these concepts and ideas in the way that a raft is used to cross a river. Once the river has been crossed over, the raft is of no more use, and should be discarded. These arbitrary concepts and ideas about spiritual things need to be explained to us as we seek to attain Enlightenment. However, ultimately these arbitrary conceptions can be discarded. Think Subhuti, isn't it even more obvious that we should also give up our conceptions of non-existent things?"

I am going to go and check out the holy 12 one you mentioned now. I'm back at Uni again next week so probably will be distracted by study soon enough. Learning while not attaching to that learning. Doing what the Romans do while in Rome. He he.

Peace

[passerbye999]

Does the {12} mean to read that twelve times. Because I have to say that was kind of painful to get through once. And are you talking about Mr. Ed? Just teasing. :p

Can you say it in Canadian, aye?


To change the subject, you ever see this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLM6C9ICQo8 looks like a way to learn from home.

Did you ever think of putting up a training series? You could show them a move and then at the end tag it with something to think about while they practice that move. Not about the attack bout something else. So it gets to the point of doing to things at once. I am going off.

Had a great valentines day. Heard from an old friend.

Talk to you later.

Shock the Karma.

I could translate in canadian if you prefer eh. But it may be more difficult to read. just kidding. I thought of doing videos it is just above my budget at the present. Maybe I will do something small once I actually get my website up. we'll see. no never saw the gentleman before. Glad you had a good day, it seems you needed one to me.

Peace

[passerbye999]

Great Stuff. Reminds me of a song.

No Right Angles - Ben Lee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbLL-2FfmbE&playnext=1&list=PLDE4F6BFA424EF759)

I checked out the Diamond Sutra after your post the other day. Thanks for the prompt. Seems to be the theme for the moment so your prompting was right on cue. No-THING-ness! I loved this part which I will post below. It is very well communicated.



I am going to go and check out the holy 12 one you mentioned now. I'm back at Uni again next week so probably will be distracted by study soon enough. Learning while not attaching to that learning. Doing what the Romans do while in Rome. He he.

Peace

I hope you enjoy let me know what you think. good song.

[passerbye999]

Here are some of my favorite chapters of the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tsu. The first is a very poetic description of the Tao, chapter fourteen.
The second chapter twenty four I try to follow but find it very hard for my personality is sometimes too proud and I think i am smarter than i really am, this chapter keeps me grounded when I read it.
The third chapter seventy seven is my favorite. This translation is not as nice as the one I have in paperback but it is the same message. Again it reminds me to be humble and reassures that all will be balanced when the way is followed effortlessly. Sometimes it is such a rush as I experience it that I become overjoyed and forget not to be too much into it for then it becomes lost.
I have to be empty of mind and aware to experience and understand the subtlety of it’s presence. The chi and so the mind interact with it. For the human energy mingles with the energy of the Earth and Heavens allowing me to feel apart of something greater than myself. Yet I always come to the realization in a new form each time I practice that i am not an insignificant part but a part of the whole unto myself. For it is within and without me.
I suppose even though I have said not such good things about kundalini that this must be the same experience that others that refer to it as a kundalini experience, actually experience. So I must now upon reflection take back those remarks and humble myself before this phenomena that myself and others experience daily maybe using different words but describing the same experiences.


14. 1. We look at it, and we do not see it, and we name it ‘the Equable.’ We listen to it, and we do not hear it, and we name it ‘the Inaudible.’ We try to grasp it, and do not get hold of it, and we name it ‘the Subtle.’ With these three qualities, it cannot be made the subject of description; and hence we blend them together and obtain The One.
2. Its upper part is not bright, and its lower part is not obscure. Ceaseless in its action, it yet cannot be named, and then it again returns and becomes nothing. This is called the Form of the Formless, and the Semblance of the Invisible; this is called the Fleeting and Indeterminable.
3. We meet it and do not see its Front; we follow it, and do not see its Back. When we can lay hold of the Tao of old to direct the things of the present day, and are able to know it as it was of old in the beginning, this is called (unwinding) the clue of Tao.


24. He who stands on his tiptoes does not stand firm; he who stretches his legs does not walk (easily). (So), he who displays himself does not shine; he who asserts his own views is not distinguished; he who vaunts himself does not find his merit acknowledged; he who is self- conceited has no superiority allowed to him. Such conditions, viewed from the standpoint of the Tao, are like remnants of food, or a tumour on the body, which all dislike. Hence those who pursue (the course) of the Tao do not adopt and allow them.


77. 1. May not the Way (or Tao) of Heaven be compared to the (method of) bending a bow? The (part of the bow) which was high is brought low, and what was low is raised up. (So Heaven) diminishes where there is superabundance, and supplements where there is deficiency.
2. It is the Way of Heaven to diminish superabundance, and to supplement deficiency. It is not so with the way of man. He takes away from those who have not enough to add to his own superabundance.
3. Who can take his own superabundance and therewith serve all under heaven? Only he who is in possession of the Tao!
4. Therefore the (ruling) sage acts without claiming the results as his; he achieves his merit and does not rest (arrogantly) in it:--he does not wish to display his superiority.


I would also like to amend an earlier post about Ch’an when I talked of Bodhidharma as being Persian. He could be Indian or Persian for there are only two accounts of him from the earliest past and both as I post below give contradictory accounts of this mans origin.


Account #1:
Yáng Xuànzhī

A Dehua ware porcelain statuette of Bodhidharma, from the late Ming Dynasty, 17th century
The Record of the Buddhist Monasteries of Luoyang (洛陽伽藍記 Luòyáng Qiélánjì), was compiled in 547 by Yáng Xuànzhī 楊衒之, a writer and translator of Mahāyāna Buddhist texts into the Chinese language.

“At that time there was a monk of the Western Region named Bodhidharma, a Persian Central Asian. He traveled from the wild borderlands to China. Seeing the golden disks [on the pole on top of Yǒngníng’s stupa] reflecting in the sun, the rays of light illuminating the surface of the clouds, the jewel-bells on the stupa blowing in the wind, the echoes reverberating beyond the heavens, he sang its praises. He exclaimed: “Truly this is the work of spirits.” He said: “I am 150 years old, and I have passed through numerous countries. There is virtually no country I have not visited. Even the distant Buddha realms lack this.” He chanted homage and placed his palms together in salutation for days on end.”
Account #2:



Tánlín
The second account was written by Tánlín (曇林; 506–574). Tánlín’s brief biography of the “Dharma Master” is found in his preface to the Two Entrances and Four Acts, a text traditionally attributed to Bodhidharma, and the first text to identify Bodhidharma as South Indian:
The Dharma Master was a South Indian of the Western Region. He was the third son of a great Indian king of the Pallava Dynasty. His ambition lay in the Mahayana path, and so he put aside his white layman’s robe for the black robe of a monk [...] Lamenting the decline of the true teaching in the outlands, he subsequently crossed distant mountains and seas, traveling about propagating the teaching in Han and Wei.[6]
Tánlín’s account was the first to mention that Bodhidharma attracted disciples,[7] specifically mentioning Dàoyù (道育) and Huìkě (慧可), the latter of whom would later figure very prominently in the Bodhidharma literature.
Tánlín has traditionally been considered a disciple of Bodhidharma, but it is more likely that he was a student of Huìkě, who in turn was a student of Bodhidharma.


I just wanted to clarify that even though he may have been Persian does not mean he wasn’t Buddhist but simply of a different culture. Buddhism was the major religion of Persia until Islam took over and it was eradicated almost completely. As a matter of fact Buddhism had spread even to the Hellenistic regions of the Mediterranean as before the common era. Here is a timeline of the history of Buddhism.



· 563 BCE: Siddhārtha Gautama, Buddha-to-be, is born in Lumbini into a leading royal family in the republic of the Shakyas, which is now part of Nepal.
· 534 BCE: Prince Siddhartha goes outside the palace for the first time and sees The Four Sights: an old man, an ill man, a dead man, and a holy man. He is shocked by the first three—he did not know what age, disease, and death were—but is inspired by the holy man to give up his wealth. He leaves his house and lives with three ascetics. However, he wants more than to starve himself, so he becomes a religious teacher.
· 528 BCE: Siddhartha attains Enlightenment in Buddha Gaya (modern-day Bodhgaya), then travels to a deer park in Sarnath (near Varanasi), India, and begins expounding the Dharma.
· 528 BCE According to legend, Trapusha and Bhallika, two trader-brothers from Okkala (modern-day Yangon), offer the Gautama’s first meal as the enlightened Buddha. The Buddha gives eight strands of his hair to the two brothers; the strands are brought back to Burma and enshrined in the Shwedagon Pagoda. Thus, according to myth, this is the year when the Shwedagon Pagoda was built.
· c. 490–410 BCE: Life of the Buddha, according to recent research.[2]
· c. 483 BCE: Gautama Buddha dies (‘attains parinibbana’) at Kusinara (now called Kushinagar), India. Three months following his death, the First Buddhist Council is convened.
· 383 BCE: The Second Buddhist Council is convened by King Kalasoka and held at Vaisali.
· c. 250 BCE: Third Buddhist Council, convened by Ashoka the Great and chaired by Moggaliputta Tissa, compiles the Kathavatthu to refute the heretical views and theories held by some Buddhist sects. Ashoka issues a number of edicts (Edicts of Ashoka) about the kingdom in support of Buddhism.
· c. 250 BCE: Emperor Ashoka the Great sends various Buddhist missionaries to faraway countries, as far as China and the Mon & Malay kingdoms in the east and the Hellenistic kingdoms in the west, in order to make Buddhism known to them.
· c. 250 BCE: First fully developed examples of Kharoṣṭhī script date from this period (the Aśokan inscriptions at Shāhbāzgaṛhī and Mānsehrā, a northwestern Indian subcontinent).
· 3rd century BCE: Indian traders regularly visit ports in Arabia, explaining the prevalence of place names in the region with Indian or Buddhist origin; e.g., bahar (from the Sanskrit vihara, a Buddhist monastery). Ashokan emissary monks bring Buddhism to Suwannaphum, the location of which is disputed. The Dipavamsa and the Mon believe it was a Mon seafaring settlement in present-day Burma.
· c. 220 BCE: Theravada Buddhism is officially introduced to Sri Lanka by the Venerable Mahinda, son of the emperor Ashoka of India during the reign of King Devanampiya Tissa.
· 185 BCE: Brahmin general Pusyamitra Sunga overthrows the Mauryan dynasty and establishes the Sunga dynasty, apparently starting a wave of persecution against Buddhism.
· 180 BCE: Greco-Bactrian King Demetrius invades India as far as Pataliputra and establishes the Indo-Greek kingdom (180–10 BCE), under which Buddhism flourishes.
· c. 150 BCE: Indo-Greek king Menander I converts to Buddhism under the sage Nāgasena, according to the account of the Milinda Panha.
· 120 BCE: The Chinese Emperor Han Wudi (156–87 BCE) receives two golden statues of the Buddha, according to inscriptions in the Mogao Caves, Dunhuang.
· 1st century BCE: The Indo-Greek governor Theodorus enshrines relics of the Buddha, dedicating them to the deified “Lord Shakyamuni.”
·?�ħ�ħ8ঙ8ঙ䀀ৗ쀀 29 BCE: According to the Sinhalese chronicles, the Pali Canon is written down in the reign of King Vaṭṭagamiṇi (29–17 BCE)[1]
· 2 BCE: The Hou Hanshu records the visit in 2 BCE of Yuezhi envoys to the Chinese capital, who give oral teachings on Buddhist sutras.[3]



Common Era
· 65: Liu Ying’s sponsorship of Buddhism is the first documented case of Buddhist practices in China.
· 67: Buddhism comes to China with the two monks Kasyapa and dharmaraksha.
· 68: Buddhism is officially established in China with the founding of the White Horse Temple .
· 78: Ban Chao, a Chinese General, subdues the Buddhist Kingdom of Khotan.
· 78–101: According to Mahayana tradition, the Fourth Buddhist council takes place under Kushana king Kanishka’s reign, near Jalandar, India.
· 116 CE: The Kushans, under Kanishka, establish a kingdom centered on Kashgar, also taking control of Khotan and Yarkand—previously Chinese dependencies in the Tarim Basin, modern Xinjiang.
· 148: An Shigao, a Parthian prince and Buddhist monk, arrives in China and proceeds to make the first translations of Theravada texts into Chinese.
· 178: The Kushan monk Lokaksema travels to the Chinese capital of Loyang and becomes the first known translator of Mahayana texts into Chinese.
· 2nd century/3rd century: Indian and Central Asian Buddhists travel to Vietnam.
· 3rd century: Use of Kharoṣṭhī script in Gandhara stops.
· 3rd century and 4th century: Kharoṣṭhī script is used in the southern Silk Road cities of Khotan and Niya.
· 296: The earliest surviving Chinese Buddhist scripture dates from this year (Zhu Fo Yao Ji Jing, discovered in Dalian, late 2005).
· 4th century: Two Chinese monks take scriptures to the Korean kingdom of Goguryeo and establish papermaking in Korea.
· 320-467: The University at Nalanda grows to support 3,000–10,000 monks.
· 399-414: Fa Xian travels from China to India, then returns to translate Buddhist works into Chinese.
· 5th century: The kingdom of Funan (centered in modern Cambodia) begins to advocate Buddhism in a departure from Hinduism. Earliest evidence of Buddhism in Myanmar (Pali inscriptions). Earliest evidence of Buddhism in Indonesian (statues). Earliest reinterpretations of Pali texts. The stupa at Dambulla (Sri Lanka) is constructed.
· 402: At the request of Yao Xing, Kumarajiva travels to Changan and translates many Buddhist texts into Chinese.
· 403: In China, Hui Yuan argues that Buddhist monks should be exempt from bowing to the emperor.
· 405: Yao Xing honours Kumarajiva.
· 425: Buddhism reaches Sumatra.
· 464: Buddhabhadra reaches China to preach Buddhism.
· 495: The Shaolin temple is built in the name of Buddhabhadra, by edict of emperor Wei Xiao Wen.[4][5]
· 485: Five monks from Gandhara travel to the country of Fusang (Japan, or possibly the American continent), where they introduce Buddhism.
· 6th century: Zen adherents enter Vietnam from China. Jataka stories are translated into Persian by order of the Zoroastrian king, Khosrau I of Persia.
· 527: Bodhidharma settles into the Shaolin monastery in Henan province of China.[6]
· 552: Buddhism is introduced to Japan via Baekje (Korea), according to Nihonshoki; some scholars place this event in 538.
· Early 7th century: Jingwan begins carving sutras onto stone at Fangshan, Yuzhou, 75 km southwest of modern-day Beijing.
· 607: A Japanese imperial envoy is dispatched to Sui, China to obtain copies of sutras.
· 7th century: Xuan Zang travels to India, noting the persecution of Buddhists by Sasanka (king of Gouda, a state in northwest Bengal) before returning to Chang An in China to translate Buddhist scriptures. End of sporadic Buddhist rule in the Sindh. King Songtsen Gampo of Tibet sends messengers to India to get Buddhist texts. Latest recorded use of the Kharoṣṭhī script amongst Buddhist communities around Kucha.
· 671: Chinese Buddhist pilgrim Yi Jing visits Palembang, capital of the partly Buddhist kingdom of Srivijaya on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia, and reports over 1000 Buddhist monks in residence. Uisang returns to Korea after studying Chinese Huayan Buddhism and founds the Hwaeom school.
· 736: Huayan is transmitted to Japan via Korea, when Rōben invites the Korean Hwaeom monk Simsang to lecture, and formally founds Japan’s Kegon tradition in the Tōdaiji temple.
· 743–754: The Chinese monk Jianzhen attempts to reach Japan eleven times, succeeding in 754 to establish the Japanese Ritsu school, which specialises in the vinaya (monastic rules).
· 8th century: Buddhist Jataka stories are translated in to Syriac and Arabic as Kalilag and Damnag. An account of Buddha’s life is translated into Greek by John of Damascus and widely circulated to Christians as the story of Barlaam and Josaphat. By the 14th century, this story of Josaphat becomes so popular that he is made a Catholic saint.

I stopped here for a reason even though this timeline borrowed from wikipedia carries on to the present date. Buddha is a Catholic Saint and Jesus is the Bodhisvatta of Love. The three wise men who searched the meaning and times of the constellations found him as a new born and showered him with gifts. They were most likely Buddhist. Since at the time Buddhism was the most widely practiced belief system or faith of the era from the East. I have found a triad for myself and teach it to my students as one faith. A blending of Buddhism , Taoism and Messianic Judiasm(Christianity). For Taoism the Lao Tsu and Chuang Tsu. For Messianic Judiasm the Bible, the Nag Hammadi Scrolls, The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and the Zohar. For Buddhism the Heart Sutra, the Diamond Sutra, the Lankavatara Sutra , the Platform Sutra and Lotus Sutra. This is my list of the most excellent reading for enlightenment. Passerbye’s top twelve. For me the all carry the essence of what I searched for desperately in my youth and found in my middle years. I wouldn’t have found it without them and Dhyana (Ch’an, Zen) which means meditation. I meditate when practicing chi kung as well it is a form of moving Dhyana, it could be called Ch’an Yoga.

Below is a quote which references the Lankavatara Sutra it is required reading for Ch’an along with the Heart Sutra, the Diamond Sutra ,the Platform Sutra and the Lotus Sutra as I previously mentioned in my list of good books to read.

(One of the fundamental Chán texts attributed to Bodhidharma is a four-line stanza whose first two verses echo the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra’s disdain for words and whose second two verses stress the importance of the insight into reality achieved through “self-realization”:

A special transmission outside the scriptures,
Not founded upon words and letters;
By pointing directly to [one’s] mind
It lets one see into [one’s own true] nature and [thus] attain Buddhahood.[38]

The stanza, in fact, is not Bodhidharma’s, but rather dates to the year 1108.[39] Nonetheless, there are earlier texts which explicitly associate Bodhidharma with the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra. Daoxuan, for example, in a late recension of his biography of Bodhidharma’s successor Huike, has the sūtra as a basic and important element of the teachings passed down by Bodhidharma:
In the beginning Dhyana Master Bodhidharma took the four-roll Laṅkā Sūtra, handed it over to Huike, and said: “When I examine the land of China, it is clear that there is only this sutra. If you rely on it to practice, you will be able to cross over the world.”)

This has been a long post but I think a good one. Others can let me know what they think about it.

Peace :D

[quilliard]

So I just get done with a conversation with an old friend and he is says "You are not making any sense?" So I say what is not? And he basically said that since he didn't understand it, it was crazy.

This is so common from doctors as well. The strange thing is I understand everything they say. I can talk about anything with almost anyone an any subject they desire, but GOD forbid I open my mouth and talk about my experience and they can't deal with it.

You know I don't understand calculus, but I do understand that some do, so when I meet a mathematician I don't tell them their crazy because they think "e" is a number. Exponent, shmecksponent, it is a letter not a number. Right? :p

So why is it that these "Jesus Freaks" and "Holy-Rollers" and of course the high-brow type sitting behind their desk passing judgement like the universe evolves around their ass because the did "coke" in the same dorm room as Sigmund Freud as they became "Learned" can't be open to that maybe, just maybe, THEY KNOW NOTHING! And that maybe someone else can have a higher understanding then them as these people are not the pinnacle of understanding and knowledge.

I am sick and tired of being told to talk to a representative of a church to be told that I am insane because God replied to me, because I believe I am Christ.

Why don't these people understand that it is not "I am the only Christ" it is, we all have the opportunity to be Christ. I figure we have like 4 or 5 Christs that post on this forum.

And please remember the word "Christ" is just a title. It is like "Sanitation Engineer". It is what the person does that makes him this "Garbage Man", he is not made of Garbage.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Shock the Karma

[passerbye999]

So I just get done with a conversation with an old friend and he is says "You are not making any sense?" So I say what is not? And he basically said that since he didn't understand it, it was crazy.

This is so common from doctors as well. The strange thing is I understand everything they say. I can talk about anything with almost anyone an any subject they desire, but GOD forbid I open my mouth and talk about my experience and they can't deal with it.

You know I don't understand calculus, but I do understand that some do, so when I meet a mathematician I don't tell them their crazy because they think "e" is a number. Exponent, shmecksponent, it is a letter not a number. Right? :p

So why is it that these "Jesus Freaks" and "Holy-Rollers" and of course the high-brow type sitting behind their desk passing judgement like the universe evolves around their ass because the did "coke" in the same dorm room as Sigmund Freud as they became "Learned" can't be open to that maybe, just maybe, THEY KNOW NOTHING! And that maybe someone else can have a higher understanding then them as these people are not the pinnacle of understanding and knowledge.

I am sick and tired of being told to talk to a representative of a church to be told that I am insane because God replied to me, because I believe I am Christ.

Why don't these people understand that it is not "I am the only Christ" it is, we all have the opportunity to be Christ. I figure we have like 4 or 5 Christs that post on this forum.

And please remember the word "Christ" is just a title. It is like "Sanitation Engineer". It is what the person does that makes him this "Garbage Man", he is not made of Garbage.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Shock the Karma

Had a rough day at the office did you Bud? You should be used to it by now and the nonsense should bounce right off. I like the "Garbage man reference" Dump Miner. Rant as you will Brother. Words and the flags they send up are tricky things. Certain words like messiah and prophet throw up more bells and whistles than any other I know. People should really learn what these words actually mean. Messiah " Annointed one" Psalm 23:5 says it all. There are many messiah's everyone that believes in the Gospel is a messiah. It would be to common though if everyone ran around saying they have been annointed and there cup runneth over. It might take away the power of the Church. Prophet "Teacher" "Messenger" the definitions sum it up right there.
These buffoons think only them and Jesus can be Annointed Teachers or Messengers it's what makes them feel special I suppose. Don't let it get you down Quilliard keep trying maybe one time you will get through and allow you to release these pent up feeling you carry about the situation. Peace my friend and all the power to you.

[observer333]

The strange thing is I understand everything they say. I can talk about anything with almost anyone an any subject they desire, but GOD forbid I open my mouth and talk about my experience and they can't deal with it.

I hear you Bro. While people are restricted to 3 dimensionality perspectives, they can not see the whole of the elephant. I use to get really frustrated when talking with people that they might say something and I agreed and could understand what they were saying totally and yet I saw it as simply one aspect of something much bigger. When I would try to add some depth or another slant on the same topic, I would be seen to be trying to make them wrong, as if I didn't agree. But I wasn't disagreeing. I was adding a yes, and.... Its like a coin is suspended in the air between two people. The first person says its heads. I would say yes and it also yadda yadda. But because I couldn't see only heads, I was seen to be wrong and disagreeing. Crazy huh? I'm not sure if thats what you mean exactly but I'm guessing you can probably relate.

I am sick and tired of being told to talk to a representative of a church to be told that I am insane because God replied to me, because I believe I am Christ.

Why don't these people understand that it is not "I am the only Christ" it is, we all have the opportunity to be Christ.

Yes, the word/concept of Christ is so often misunderstood. It was for so long considered blasphemous to state such a Truth. At least today we don't end up burnt on a stake, tortured or crucified for saying so. Labelled crazy, yes, but at least we get to leave with the same meatsuit. The Bible states that we were created in the very likeness and substance of our Father, though this was translated incorrectly to be image, as in physical appearance. It also says we are all children of God and yet then the churches insist that Jesus alone is the Christ and the only begotten son. He tried to teach the people the truth of their divinity and inheritance as best he could in such times. But the people werent ready. At least more are ready today than they ever were, hey. The Church has tried to make us out to be Fatherless and orphans left out in the cold, banished from the Kingdom and powerless so that they could control the masses. If I were you, I would just avoid the churches altogether. They are not ready.

Christ is the potential in all of us and once it has been realized, its cannot be denied. We can however refrain from proclaiming it from the rooftops to those unwilling to hear it. It is frustrating to know such truth and yet be unable to convey this truth to others; the truth of their divinity. Until people are ready to give up their littleness, they will continue to believe they are limited in what they can do to free themselves from the whim of the powers that be.

Unfortunately this is the way it is and we need to learn infinite patience and respect for their free will. Jesus said Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. He understood. He simply loved them anyway. He had learned unconditional love, acceptance and infinite patience. He loved them all, the sheep included.

Thanks for letting me rant.

Thanks for letting me rant in unison. Thank Goodness reality is not 3D. How boring life would be without different perspectives and views of one reality! :D

[observer333]

I stopped here for a reason even though this timeline borrowed from wikipedia carries on to the present date. Buddha is a Catholic Saint and Jesus is the Bodhisvatta of Love. The three wise men who searched the meaning and times of the constellations found him as a new born and showered him with gifts. They were most likely Buddhist. Since at the time Buddhism was the most widely practiced belief system or faith of the era from the East. I have found a triad for myself and teach it to my students as one faith. A blending of Buddhism , Taoism and Messianic Judiasm(Christianity). For Taoism the Lao Tsu and Chuang Tsu. For Messianic Judiasm the Bible, the Nag Hammadi Scrolls, The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of the Holy Twelve and the Zohar. For Buddhism the Heart Sutra, the Diamond Sutra, the Lankavatara Sutra , the Platform Sutra and Lotus Sutra. This is my list of the most excellent reading for enlightenment. Passerbye’s top twelve. For me the all carry the essence of what I searched for desperately in my youth and found in my middle years. I wouldn’t have found it without them and Dhyana (Ch’an, Zen) which means meditation. I meditate when practicing chi kung as well it is a form of moving Dhyana, it could be called Ch’an Yoga.

Below is a quote which references the Lankavatara Sutra it is required reading for Ch’an along with the Heart Sutra, the Diamond Sutra ,the Platform Sutra and the Lotus Sutra as I previously mentioned in my list of good books to read.

(One of the fundamental Chán texts attributed to Bodhidharma is a four-line stanza whose first two verses echo the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra’s disdain for words and whose second two verses stress the importance of the insight into reality achieved through “self-realization”:

A special transmission outside the scriptures,
Not founded upon words and letters;
By pointing directly to [one’s] mind
It lets one see into [one’s own true] nature and [thus] attain Buddhahood.[38]

The stanza, in fact, is not Bodhidharma’s, but rather dates to the year 1108.[39] Nonetheless, there are earlier texts which explicitly associate Bodhidharma with the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra. Daoxuan, for example, in a late recension of his biography of Bodhidharma’s successor Huike, has the sūtra as a basic and important element of the teachings passed down by Bodhidharma:
In the beginning Dhyana Master Bodhidharma took the four-roll Laṅkā Sūtra, handed it over to Huike, and said: “When I examine the land of China, it is clear that there is only this sutra. If you rely on it to practice, you will be able to cross over the world.”)

This has been a long post but I think a good one. Others can let me know what they think about it.

Peace :D

Thanks for posting. I love that you have found jewels from different seeming paths and brought them together. I think your students are blessed.

I think you are right about the three wise men, though I had not been certain if they were Buddhist or another eastern tradition. I think Yeshua might have travelled to Egypt, India and up into the Himalayas, having been dissatisfied with the semetic religion of the day. Maybe those wise men had made such an invitation to his parents on their visit.

I also really enjoy some of the ancient Indian scriptures. There are some priceless jewels within these also, ie. Bhagavad-gita.

My Tradition? No Tradition

:)

[quilliard]

So did you ever think that maybe the ones that don't get it are soulless? I don't mean bad, but just walking meatbags more or less.

I came up with this video game idea years ago about this "witchdoctor" that was actually and "alien" and he was stealing people souls and the people would become Zombies.

The goal of the game was to not kill the zombies as they where innocent, defeat the witch doctor before he leaves the planet, and release the souls to the owners.

Now in the game the only way to get away from a "zombie" was to put a bag on it's head and confuse it. If you killed it you would loss part of your soul.

I kind of get the feeling that a lot of people are just like those soulless zombies except they do have a bag on their head so to speak, and that is what is keeping them in the dark.

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

So did you ever think that maybe the ones that don't get it are soulless? I don't mean bad, but just walking meatbags more or less.

I came up with this video game idea years ago about this "witchdoctor" that was actually and "alien" and he was stealing people souls and the people would become Zombies.

The goal of the game was to not kill the zombies as they where innocent, defeat the witch doctor before he leaves the planet, and release the souls to the owners.

Now in the game the only way to get away from a "zombie" was to put a bag on it's head and confuse it. If you killed it you would loss part of your soul.

I kind of get the feeling that a lot of people are just like those soulless zombies except they do have a bag on their head so to speak, and that is what is keeping them in the dark.

Shock the Karma

I do not see that they are in Reality soul-less though they may be as if they were. We are as soul-less in our amnesia and if this were like a virtual reality video game in which we had to forget we are playing a game to be able to play, then those still caught up in the game, sucked into the game are distracted and unconcerned with anything else but the game. Those of us waking up are tired of the game and questioning the reality of the game and the reality of the avatar we had thought was ourself.

I think that coming to is simply remembering what we always knew and simply had forgot.

We played the game too so why should we judge those still playing just cos we are sick and tired of playing? Thats how I see it. Jesus said, those who are without sin, cast the first stone. I see this as the same as those who have played the game and were decieved it was reality, do not condemn those who are still playing, rather see that misunderstanding is perfectly understandable when one is playing the game.

:D I love metaphors

Peace Bro!

[observer333]

Hey you guys, Check this out. It is truly amazing. An amazing connection of dots. A work of abstract thought/art. I got it from another thread. Had to pass it on.

:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089#

[passerbye999]

I do not see that they are in Reality soul-less though they may be as if they were. We are as soul-less in our amnesia and if this were like a virtual reality video game in which we had to forget we are playing a game to be able to play, then those still caught up in the game, sucked into the game are distracted and unconcerned with anything else but the game. Those of us waking up are tired of the game and questioning the reality of the game and the reality of the avatar we had thought was ourself.

I think that coming to is simply remembering what we always knew and simply had forgot.

We played the game too so why should we judge those still playing just cos we are sick and tired of playing? Thats how I see it. Jesus said, those who are without sin, cast the first stone. I see this as the same as those who have played the game and were decieved it was reality, do not condemn those who are still playing, rather see that misunderstanding is perfectly understandable when one is playing the game.

:D I love metaphors

Peace Bro!

I agree. Each in their own time comes to understanding. some never do that is karma. I believe in reincarnation so did the ancient Jews as do the Buddhists and Taoists. What we don't achieve in this life is maybe our prize for the next. Never can tell. I want to say I went over to the Religion forum and it is pretty harsh. This is a much better forum. Have you guys gone to my thread Relinquishimg the "I". I have been posting there and it is interesting how the thread is going. Check it out and let me know what you think. Observer333 thanks for your kind words I appreciate it.

Talk to you later

Peace:D

[observer333]

Hey you guys, Check this out. It is truly amazing. An amazing connection of dots. A work of abstract thought/art. I got it from another thread. Had to pass it on.

:)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089#

Link to vid is still not working. Lets see if this quote will fix it.

[passerbye999]

Link to vid is still not working. Lets see if this quote will fix it.

I have just finished watching this video from beginning to end it is an exellent contributation to this thread. For me it confirms many of the earlier posts I made about what I discovered in my manias or spirit walks. Jordan Maxwell is in a way a mentor of Michael Tsarion I have watched much of their presentations in the past. Some of it is good like the basis of the imformation for much of this video some is off on tangents. Just like the rest of us. I wish this video was posted on my thread Relinquishing the "I". It is what the whole thread is about and has inspired me to add another post there. Thanks for sharing this Pearl Observer333 I greatly enjoyed it.

Peace:D

[quilliard]

Hey you's guys! Hope you all are having a great day. I was thinking about what has been written and I wanted to add a favorite statement from a comedian named Bill Hicks.

Life's a ride... by Bill Hicks

“Life’s like a ride in an amusement park. And when you go on it you think it’s real because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, it has thrills and chills, and it’s very brightly colored. And it’s very loud, and it’s fun for a while. Some have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question ‘is this real, or is this just a ride?’ And other people have remembered and they come back to us and they say ‘Hey don’t worry, don’t be afraid ever, cause this is just a ride.’ And we kill those people. ‘Shut him up, I’ve got a running destiny with this ride! Shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry! Look at my big bank account and my family! This has to be real!’ It’s just a ride. But we always kill those good guys who try to tell us that. You ever notice that? And then we let the demons run amok. But it doesn’t matter because it’s just a ride and we can change it anytime we want. It’s only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings or money. Just a choice right now… between fear and love.”

Sums it up nicely huh.

Also, the movie you posted observer333 is awesome. I have to finish later. Just good stuff. Thanks

Shock the Karma

[wisdom_vessel]

When I was 18 in 2008 I read "A new earth" by Eckhart Tolle. This was the first time that I ever got exposed to this kind of spiritual literature and it resonated with me deeply. For 2 weeks after the completion of the book I went into what the doctors called a manic state. This was the best month of my life. Seriously. I was truly ME. I was glued to the present moment, constantly aligned to the universe and life itself. Then I started seeing 11:11. On clocks etc. Synchronicities started happening. Other strange metaphysical things started happening as well which i will not mention. But I essentially later got diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. I used to take zyprexa and epilim then changed to limictin and abilify (medication). My parents basically forced me to take the meds but since two or three weeks ago i decided to stop. And I'm currently fine.

I personally believe that I experienced enlightenment and the medication really disrupted this awakening. IMO...

This is a wonderful post. Thanks to the OP...

[edelweiss pirate]

When I was 18 in 2008 I read "A new earth" by Eckhart Tolle. This was the first time that I ever got exposed to this kind of spiritual literature and it resonated with me deeply. For 2 weeks after the completion of the book I went into what the doctors called a manic state. This was the best month of my life. Seriously. I was truly ME. I was glued to the present moment, constantly aligned to the universe and life itself. Then I started seeing 11:11. On clocks etc. Synchronicities started happening. Other strange metaphysical things started happening as well which i will not mention. But I essentially later got diagnosed with bi-polar disorder. I used to take zyprexa and epilim then changed to limictin and abilify (medication). My parents basically forced me to take the meds but since two or three weeks ago i decided to stop. And I'm currently fine.

I personally believe that I experienced enlightenment and the medication really disrupted this awakening. IMO...

This is a wonderful post. Thanks to the OP...


Cool. Write a book.

Seriously, express what you have learnt and show others the reality you glimpsed.

Also if you get any uncomfortable symptoms take Niacin (Vitamin B3) and Vitamin C.

Parents will never get it. Move out and live on your own, go to uni, whatever gets you out of their restricted reality bubble.

[wisdom_vessel]

Cool. Write a book.

Seriously, express what you have learnt and show others the reality you glimpsed.

Also if you get any uncomfortable symptoms take Niacin (Vitamin B3) and Vitamin C.

Parents will never get it. Move out and live on your own, go to uni, whatever gets you out of their restricted reality bubble.


Cool.. thanx for the information on the vitamins. Much appreciated... I sincerely believe that I was misdiagnosed though. One of the apparent symptoms of having an episode is to have "racing thoughts". This was not what I experience however, on the contrary my mind was still and vacant... I was just super high lol... But I was also fully aware about what was going on around me, my reflexes were heightened I was more sociable than normal etc...

[passerbye999]

Cool. Write a book.

Seriously, express what you have learnt and show others the reality you glimpsed.

Also if you get any uncomfortable symptoms take Niacin (Vitamin B3) and Vitamin C.

Parents will never get it. Move out and live on your own, go to uni, whatever gets you out of their restricted reality bubble.

I agree and the writing will aso help you remember for time takes away the vividness of memories.

Peace:D

[wisdom_vessel]

I agree and the writing will aso help you remember for time takes away the vividness of memories.

Peace:D

lol.. I write a lot. Poetry mainly. I've never actually thought of jotting down my recollections of that period though, but u guys have a point. Time was kinda weird back then and I sometimes find it hard to recall some of the events. I've started a fantasy story a while back, heavily inspired by what happened to me. Wrote a chapter or two but never really got into it.

I try not to dwell in the past. Since this can become futile. But you're right, I should at least write down exactly what happened before I forget some of it. Thanx for the advice.

[quilliard]

lol.. I write a lot. Poetry mainly. I've never actually thought of jotting down my recollections of that period though, but u guys have a point. Time was kinda weird back then and I sometimes find it hard to recall some of the events. I've started a fantasy story a while back, heavily inspired by what happened to me. Wrote a chapter or two but never really got into it.

I try not to dwell in the past. Since this can become futile. But you're right, I should at least write down exactly what happened before I forget some of it. Thanx for the advice.

Good for you Wisdom Vessel. There are a lot of great self publishing sites out there where you can get your work up for free. Or a blog is always good, if you don't mind prying eyes.

So I was thinking about the movie that was posted earlier in the thread and I saw another video that said pretty much the same thing, about evolution.

Thought about Reptilians:

Now in the film it is shown that the fetus "evolves" into many recognizable things, one of those is a "Reptile-Like" fetus (Shape shifting as well or growing) stage.

Now the other man, the owner of Squidoo or something, stated that the reptile instinct is very basic, Food, Shelter, Security. Sounds like an infant to me.

I wonder if and I don't want to start and abortion augment as I have lost mine in the past. It was tragic. Period.

I believe, because of my recent experience, that The Soul enters the "host", fetus, on about week eight of pregnancy. If termination of the pregnancy is planned it must be done before this date.

But what if we are making "Reptilians" by aborting children in this stage. Just a thought.

By the way one came to me today in a vision. Nice guy. Just wanted to see if they where invited to join the cause for real or if it was another trick.

Later

Shock the Karma

[observer333]

Hi Guilliard,

I do not know anything about reptilians but I remember thinking that part of the movie was amazing too. I do remember however when I was pregnant and my twin daughters still had tails communicating with them telepathically. Their bodies may have been reptile-like but their souls were very aware.

As for reptilians, I don't know. I have not encountered them myself though I have seen some pretty strange processions of faces cross my mind while half asleep before. Occasionally one of those were a bit reptilian looking, though I am more inclined to believe they come from a subconscious storehouse of images I have seen in movies or nightmares. I really don't know. I have never been one to believe or disbelieve anything unless I encounter it or experience it for myself. I just remain neutral when I don't really know.

I do not believe that any being is essentially evil. I think in that they can choose the paths they travel and some are very dark. I do believe however that anyone can always choose again. I believe each path could be said to be serving the self (irrespective of others) or serving others (which serves the self anyway but respectfully of others. I also believe that all without exception are destined to eventually wake up and see that harming others is harming themselves. How long that will take however, who can say. It could take lifetimes in light years. I hope I am wrong about that.

I can honestly say I truly wish for all of those out there who walk a dark path that they will recognise the error in their ways and start a brand new day, choosing peace over conflict and love over fear. It can be done for all things are possible under our Creator. I wish them every happiness in their new found Peace and the Joy that comes from sharing it all around.

Peace Guilliard!

[passerbye999]

This talk about reptillians reminds me of my manias and my conversations with aliens, angels and demons. People that couldn't possibly know my thoughts yet did. they were not visions but real flesh and blood people I met that seemed to me to know more about the scheme of things than anyone should possibly know. Could they have been reptillians or shapeshifters? I don't know. Could they have been those people that Gurdieff encountered? I sometimes think so.

I have met and had real conversations with them though. I desire to meet them again in a more grounded state of mind. Maybe I shall in the future maybe not. They only seemed to appear when I challenged the set order of things and some were cool with it and some were greatly angered by it. They all knew me and my thoughts though and I still find that highly bizarre. I have no desire to change things anymore I will leave that to God I do understand though that all we need worry about is ourselves.


I would talk to them in my mind and they would answer out loud. we had telepathic and normal conversations all mixed. What kept me safe from the angry ones and embraced the kind ones to me was my firm concept of universal Peace. it was my belief in peace not armaggedon that created the whole scenerio 4 times in 4 years all around june 21st. I spent everyone of those July's in the hospital. I always started out sane but they drove my crazy by wearing me out from my fasting of sleep and food. They were very spiritual encounters. It strengthened my mind though and confirmed for me that there was powers and principalities that existed and that they were very real.

I called them spirit walks for I walked in a different world. there were two worlds the world in the mind and the physical world. Living completely in two different worlds will drive any one crazy. I truly walked in the spirit. I learned everything is already established. What I mean is it is all as it was meant to be. We are taken care of we need to come to this understanding though each in ourselves. Things are actually good things just need to keep evolving as they are. I wonder could Jesus be a Afro American? Sometimes I think the man I met on the hill was him. Sometimes I think he is the anti christ.

I really don't know, but he seemed really pissed of with my ideas. He wanted to fight I wanted peace that is how we parted ways. Then I was given an Apple " Golden Delicious" by a kind old Grandmother who didn't speak english but we had a long walk and talk together, where birds of foriegn species to Canada appeared and flew by including a mating pair of morning doves. I believed we were decendants of Aliens all of us and YHWH was the God of all of us. It is why i think and talk about " I am" so much.

To me the apple symbolized wisdom, I was rewarded for my ideas, choices and actions. so the next day I went and bought and ate a peach which represented to me love. Wisdom and love. They lead to understanding, of ourselves and others and God. Others included aliens, angels and demons.
I allied myself to Satan, I made peace. I worship God and YHWH is my God but I made a truce with mt greatest enemy, thus making a truce with the evil in myself. For YHWH and Satan were both in me I was possessed by both at the same time. I am only possessed by YHWH now but Satan still enters my mind for conversations.

I have no fear of him. Our war ended in a stalemate. Baalzebub the "lord of the flies" gained a son. YHWH gained a prophet. I know these words are strange but they are from my experiences into the strange and bizarre world of the spirit. Baalzebub is YHWH. There is only one God. I am not saying Satan is God rather the opposite Baal means "Lord" YHWH is The Lord. The Lord of everything flies included. Words are tricky and concepts are multi dimensional. Satan means the adversary he is a servant of God. So there is no war it is only in us and our minds.

So when all was said and done I had made peace within myself. So I could truly love myself and thus others. This is a weird post but it happened. Rain and rainbows are my redemption. salvation lied within myself. I still don't know what to think of the people I met though. Everyone has to make their own walks maybe you will met them too.

Peace

[sh3lly]

Very interesting, I came across this thread while doing a Google search for the Icke forum "ancient artifacts...?!" Anyways...very cool thread.

I am not bipolar, but pretty much have dysthymia. I've been depressed off and on since puberty. Sometimes it goes away if I can distract myself or focus on obligations, but it never really goes away. It's always there. This feeling that life sucks, it isn't right, it never will be, I don't belong here, I don't fit in, I'm different... I am "anti-social," I spend most my time alone, I used a lot of recreational drugs in the past (LSD, ecstasy, weed mainly) and I sometimes wonder if it didn't literally damage my brain.

Sometimes I feel like I can hear voices, see beings, feel them, are watched, etc. etc. To any mainstream psych or doctor, I might be considered schizoid or borderline pure crazy.

I decided to go on antidepressants again and have been on Wellbutrin for 6 weeks now. I was on Zoloft years ago (2002-ish) briefly and Prozac briefly in around 2007... I had a "spiritual" awakening around that time. I feel like I saw my soul - or felt it rather - I had many experiences, but I was not sober, so how can I ever know if it was real?

At this point, I am doubting my sanity a bit, but I will never completely believe I am crazy. I function quite well and refuse to entertain the negative crazy thoughts... do they come from psy ops, negative astral beings? lol, I mean, really, in a way I think it's possible, but I also feel like laughing because it also seems absurd...

Ok, I guess I just needed to vent/rant. :)

[jconnar]

I haven't viewed the videos, but I would have thought bi-polar was the opposite to enlightenment.

Bi-polar goes from one end to the other. I could be said that enlightenment stays right in the center.

[observer333]

I haven't viewed the videos, but I would have thought bi-polar was the opposite to enlightenment.

Bi-polar goes from one end to the other. I could be said that enlightenment stays right in the center.

This is a very insightful response. Yes, I toally agree with you that it is not enlightenment and yet I also believe it is the result of awakening. The Bi-polar experience results from an alternative being revealed. What was previously considered "Normal" and tolerable is now found to be intolerable and insanity. The seal has been broken which anchors the self within a confined seeming 'reality' which contains the seeming self in a body. Hence the sense of self travels within to different seeming polarities within a Greater Self. It is like a kind of spiritual madness resulting from awakening because the self has not yet found its centre axis. Enlightened one moment, bonkers the next and depression when grieving the loss of the first position. Like a game of finding and losing and finding and losing. The severity of this condition appears to depend upon the individuals prior beliefs, their fears, amount of identification with the ego and their attachments to their prior existence.

If it were properly understood and people undergoing this form of awakening were supported through the process of integration, I believe it would lead to enlightenment for many more than is currently the case.

For myself, I would rather be aware of both polarities then anchored into a false self believing that this was the be all and end all. I am one who does not identify with the label Bi-polar and yet I have experienced this condition as one undergoing a spiritual awakening.

Thanks for sharing your insight. It was short and sweet and right on the 8 Ball.

[jconnar]

This is a very insightful response. Yes, I toally agree with you that it is not enlightenment and yet I also believe it is the result of awakening. The Bi-polar experience results from an alternative being revealed. What was previously considered "Normal" and tolerable is now found to be intolerable and insanity. The seal has been broken which anchors the self within a confined seeming 'reality' which contains the seeming self in a body. Hence the sense of self travels within to different seeming polarities within a Greater Self. It is like a kind of spiritual madness resulting from awakening because the self has not yet found its centre axis. Enlightened one moment, bonkers the next and depression when grieving the loss of the first position. Like a game of finding and losing and finding and losing. The severity of this condition appears to depend upon the individuals prior beliefs, their fears, amount of identification with the ego and their attachments to their prior existence.

If it were properly understood and people undergoing this form of awakening were supported through the process of integration, I believe it would lead to enlightenment for many more than is currently the case.

For myself, I would rather be aware of both polarities then anchored into a false self believing that this was the be all and end all. I am one who does not identify with the label Bi-polar and yet I have experienced this condition as one undergoing a spiritual awakening.

Thanks for sharing your insight. It was short and sweet and right on the 8 Ball.

Thanks for replying. I totally agree with you.

Its funny, when you think of the Goddess Isis, which is a symbol for Nature, which then is a symbol for polarity. Isis is the Goddess of Wisdom, because of the polarity, out of ignorance is born wisdom! One end to the other.

To only recognize one way which may well be off the mark completely, to then recognize two polar opposites and rebound between them, to finally being able to triangulate the problem, to see it from the left, right and using the two values, find the middle balance.

[passerbye999]

I have posted on this thread again because I recieved paigetheoracles book "empty thoughts from an empty head" and I promised him I would give it a review. I promised i would be honest and I will. it is a long hard read. There are no chapters simply a continuos thread of thought from beginning to end. He has contemplated long and hard on the philosophiy of life in general. it is not an esoteric book but a writing of complex thoughts presented in a fashion that is easy to understand. What makes it a hard read is there is no chapters no breakdown of ideas just a constant stream of ruminations.

Did I enjoy it yes I did. Did I learn and grow from it not really. For there is nothing new under the sun but I saw into him for he bares himself in his book. He is a philosopher and a prophet in his own way. Not a prophet in the sense of an oracle of God but in the sense of a teacher. Others may learn and grow it depends on ones level of understanding. What one is seeking. If one is interested in seeing into a fellow philosophers journey and revelations it is a must read.

It is like a long poem written in prose, it does have levels. I have added it to my collection which is quite vast and contains writings from most famous eastern and westaern philophers and theologians. My only regret is that he didn't sign it for me.

Passerbye999:D

[observer333]

I have posted on this thread again because I recieved paigetheoracles book "empty thoughts from an empty head" and I promised him I would give it a review. I promised i would be honest and I will. it is a long hard read. There are no chapters simply a continuos thread of thought from beginning to end. He has contemplated long and hard on the philosophiy of life in general. it is not an esoteric book but a writing of complex thoughts presented in a fashion that is easy to understand. What makes it a hard read is there is no chapters no breakdown of ideas just a constant stream of ruminations.

Did I enjoy it yes I did. Did I learn and grow from it not really. For there is nothing new under the sun but I saw into him for he bares himself in his book. He is a philosopher and a prophet in his own way. Not a prophet in the sense of an oracle of God but in the sense of a teacher. Others may learn and grow it depends on ones level of understanding. What one is seeking. If one is interested in seeing into a fellow philosophers journey and revelations it is a must read.

It is like a long poem written in prose, it does have levels. I have added it to my collection which is quite vast and contains writings from most famous eastern and westaern philophers and theologians. My only regret is that he didn't sign it for me.

Passerbye999:D

Hi Passerbye, I have missed you. There has been some great conversation going on at the moment. It would be so lovely to have you join in and share your insights.

:)

[passerbye999]

Hi Passerbye, I have missed you. There has been some great conversation going on at the moment. It would be so lovely to have you join in and share your insights.

:)

Hi observer333 have you finished your studies then? I have missed you as well. Tell me where to go and I am there.

Peace:D

[lizzyking]

The Gates of Delirium - Yes (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4495810184823255589#)

[observer333]

Hi observer333 have you finished your studies then? I have missed you as well. Tell me where to go and I am there.

Peace:D

Still studying, just had a break though. Heres one discussion which may interest you.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=165055

My favorite thread anarchy -whats good about it is a little too long now and full of silly arguing amongst all the good stuff so I wont direct you there unless you have a spare week. :D

[passerbye999]

Still studying, just had a break though. Heres one discussion which may interest you.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=165055

My favorite thread anarchy -whats good about it is a little too long now and full of silly arguing amongst all the good stuff so I wont direct you there unless you have a spare week. :D

I went to the thread not sure what i could add though. I liked your posts.

[consciousness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBijRVbeHM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYFNm4sGy8&feature=related
http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/

I really think that any sort of mental disorder paves the way for some sort of spiritual experience which we "normally" would not experience.

[observer333]

I really think that any sort of mental disorder paves the way for some sort of spiritual experience which we "normally" would not experience.

Yes, some form of mental rebellion :D

I was driving my car today and thinking CONTEXTUALISE. Thats it. The world has forgotten how to contextualise.

Adding is not thinking, multiplication is Vision. He who has eyes to see and ears to hear brings everything into the equation, enabling them to read between the lines and see beyond the twisted half truths and nonsense.

Healed perception. And yet it starts by seeing the nothingness of its seeming seperate parts firstly. Then and only then, from a detached and uninvested (not buying it) viewpoint and disposition can it all come into view.

What a funny old paradox. Don't mind me. Just thinking out loud again :D

[passerbye999]

I really think that any sort of mental disorder paves the way for some sort of spiritual experience which we "normally" would not experience.

It appears that many are coming to the same understanding. It does not help someone in a spiritual crisis but it does help afterwards when the individual is trying to figure out what has just happened to them.

I like the way you quoted normally. A mystic experience is definately not normal. It never totally goes away either after an episode it does become one with the individual.

episodes blend just thinking about an episode can create an episode. I know for when i decided to post here I was normal and stabilized as I becan to share and recall the experiences I had partial episodes. i almost stopped writing but I worked my way through it and felt better for it at the end.

The more i read about kundalini syndrome, qi gong deviation and spiritual crisis the more i have come to understand that these phenomena are categorized and pushed into the label Bi polar.

I have had some interesting discussions with my psychiatrist who I see regullarily. About this subject. There is not enough known by the doctors themselves what kundalini syndrome, qi gong deviation and spiritual crisis are?
Because of this they treat sympomatically and many of the symptoms are similar to psychosis.

Some doctors have gone so far as to state that such practices bring out dormant schitzophrenia just like doing drugs. Add drugs to the mix as many people do and it is easier for the deterrent doctors to make a case.

It appears to me that more study , real scientific study should be given to these practices and there resulting conditions. Escecially since parts of the practices are used by these same doctors for treatment in ignorance.

They will prescribe breathing exersises and mindfulness exersises in blindness to people who recieved their condition by these very exersises. I personally do not sit back and let them do what they want without adding my opinion which is more qualified than theirs on the discussion. They admit when it comes down to it that they are pill pushers basing their prescriptions on a list made up by them as to what they think should be categorized as symptoms for this made up disease.

usually their treatment causes more harm than good and ends up costing a small fortune. The detriment in the patient is readily observed as soon as treatment begins and is chronic. The best thing a bi polar person should do is stay away from doctors completey but their close circle of family and friends are usually the ones who really force them into it. It is a crime. Non of these people are usually doctors in the first place and just don't agree with the new person or that persons ideas that have come upon them so suddenly.

I am lucky I no longer have such ties and I use the doctors as the are intented to be used. I state the problem ask there opinion and then make a decision whether I should follow their advice or not. After doing research my self into the problem.

I think Kundalini Yoga, Taoist Yoga and all other forms of Yoga should be scientifically studied properly with official grants for the purpose. Without proper method and backing nothing will be learned. The purpose of this is to make it a proper science which it is. Then it can also be regulated better to reduce false teachers who are simply money making machines.

A true Yogi just wants to do what they do and be fed, clothed and have a roof over their head , some don't even want that. No true yogi baths in jewels and lives in mansions when the poor have no food or homes. They do not want cults of followers they want others to be Yogis too. When everyone is a Yogi there is no need for cults.

I always laugh at the preacher in the mercedes. The kung fu instucter in 3 piece suits. especially them, we work in pajamas and slippers, I don't even own a suit. we are all bums and should be content with that, it is what we teach.:D

[passerbye999]

Yes, some form of mental rebellion :D

I was driving my car today and thinking CONTEXTUALISE. Thats it. The world has forgotten how to contextualise.

Adding is not thinking, multiplication is Vision. He who has eyes to see and ears to hear brings everything into the equation, enabling them to read between the lines and see beyond the twisted half truths and nonsense.

Healed perception. And yet it starts by seeing the nothingness of its seeming seperate parts firstly. Then and only then, from a detached and uninvested (not buying it) viewpoint and disposition can it all come into view.

What a funny old paradox. Don't mind me. Just thinking out loud again :D

Nicely put:D

[mariantisocial]

Hi all

ive found this thread from another thread and spent the day reading it, i only got up to 18th page where passerby and guillard (sorry if ive spelt that wrong!) thought they were alone in the thread it urged me to post.

during your beautiful writing passerby i felt profound resonance with you, i have too experienced what you so articulately write of, i only wish i could 1) remember it so clearly and 2) had the capacity to put the unexplainable into words.

I kept thinking to myself WOW! this is exactly how it is for me - to have strange and coincidental meeting with others (always strange people) who seem to know you or are searching too, require something you have or give you some object you later needs and somehow are in the same dimension as you, or missing your stop only to realise where you got off is where you need to be to acquire some key information. the radio and tv and computer talking to you and not randomly but actually answering your thoughts. it was winter and i found a white rose which i scattered in a dirty pond, i knew it would help the water, i knew it was magical healing, later demons appeared sneering at me "she's the one with the rose" - its a blur.

the appearance of gods, demons and angels, the battle like the darkness sees you once you see it and comes after you and yet somehow the light is working for you, for me only bits and pieces i can recall, i have no linear sequence of events but the light was using me as bait to draw out demons, i'd almost be hit by a car or attacked but then it wouldnt happen - oh if only i had your words! I understand on a level beyond words, its a knowing. and youre right they dont like you to know.

its a state i cannot live in, its like i move faster, birds and tress talk to me, everything is connected and the connections make obvious sense. smells, food, energies are strong and clear in their orientation. it usually occurs for me around halloween.

i am not sure if its enlightenment per se but it is enlightening and since 19 when i first had these experiences they certainly led me on the path, gave me insight, a trail through the labyrinth and something of my own (not conditioned - be this do that) some hope that i can find myself, "take back the child that was stolen" for as a poster recently said i have never been so myself as i am in those times. I escaped the drugs i knew too much by then to trust them, sectioned it was a game of wits to be crazy to the other inmates to blend in but sane with the psych's, (they let me out in 5 days) and to remain true to my visions for example i had lost my keys and was wearing only track suit bottoms and a t shirt in mid winter freezing my tits off i managed to get to the landlord in bloody waterloo and the guy gave me a big black puffer jacket the kind security guards wear - what a godsend as the only way i could shut off the energies from the rest of the ward was to sleep under this coat.

the things i saw....as you describe the coincidences like causing rain, or making a person you need show up, i knew the names of these 3 kids on a bus and the mistakes you can make without knowing the power you wield. i am not special, i have no mystical abilities that are unique to me, we all have this, i think, we just dont know it nor how to tap it due to our limited perception.

thanks for your posts, it really captures the magic of those experiences and helped me to remember more vividly my own.

x

[hobo]

Hi all

ive found this thread from another thread and spent the day reading it, i only got up to 18th page where passerby and guillard (sorry if ive spelt that wrong!) thought they were alone in the thread it urged me to post.

during your beautiful writing passerby i felt profound resonance with you, i have too experienced what you so articulately write of, i only wish i could 1) remember it so clearly and 2) had the capacity to put the unexplainable into words.

I kept thinking to myself WOW! this is exactly how it is for me - to have strange and coincidental meeting with others (always strange people) who seem to know you or are searching too, require something you have or give you some object you later needs and somehow are in the same dimension as you, or missing your stop only to realise where you got off is where you need to be to acquire some key information. the radio and tv and computer talking to you and not randomly but actually answering your thoughts. it was winter and i found a white rose which i scattered in a dirty pond, i knew it would help the water, i knew it was magical healing, later demons appeared sneering at me "she's the one with the rose" - its a blur.

the appearance of gods, demons and angels, the battle like the darkness sees you once you see it and comes after you and yet somehow the light is working for you, for me only bits and pieces i can recall, i have no linear sequence of events but the light was using me as bait to draw out demons, i'd almost be hit by a car or attacked but then it wouldnt happen - oh if only i had your words! I understand on a level beyond words, its a knowing. and youre right they dont like you to know.

its a state i cannot live in, its like i move faster, birds and tress talk to me, everything is connected and the connections make obvious sense. smells, food, energies are strong and clear in their orientation. it usually occurs for me around halloween.

i am not sure if its enlightenment per se but it is enlightening and since 19 when i first had these experiences they certainly led me on the path, gave me insight, a trail through the labyrinth and something of my own (not conditioned - be this do that) some hope that i can find myself, "take back the child that was stolen" for as a poster recently said i have never been so myself as i am in those times. I escaped the drugs i knew too much by then to trust them, sectioned it was a game of wits to be crazy to the other inmates to blend in but sane with the psych's, (they let me out in 5 days) and to remain true to my visions for example i had lost my keys and was wearing only track suit bottoms and a t shirt in mid winter freezing my tits off i managed to get to the landlord in bloody waterloo and the guy gave me a big black puffer jacket the kind security guards wear - what a godsend as the only way i could shut off the energies from the rest of the ward was to sleep under this coat.

the things i saw....as you describe the coincidences like causing rain, or making a person you need show up, i knew the names of these 3 kids on a bus and the mistakes you can make without knowing the power you wield. i am not special, i have no mystical abilities that are unique to me, we all have this, i think, we just dont know it nor how to tap it due to our limited perception.

thanks for your posts, it really captures the magic of those experiences and helped me to remember more vividly my own.

x

Beautiful post.Resonated a lot with experiences I´ve had myself

[passerbye999]

Hi all

ive found this thread from another thread and spent the day reading it, i only got up to 18th page where passerby and guillard (sorry if ive spelt that wrong!) thought they were alone in the thread it urged me to post.

during your beautiful writing passerby i felt profound resonance with you, i have too experienced what you so articulately write of, i only wish i could 1) remember it so clearly and 2) had the capacity to put the unexplainable into words.

I kept thinking to myself WOW! this is exactly how it is for me - to have strange and coincidental meeting with others (always strange people) who seem to know you or are searching too, require something you have or give you some object you later needs and somehow are in the same dimension as you, or missing your stop only to realise where you got off is where you need to be to acquire some key information. the radio and tv and computer talking to you and not randomly but actually answering your thoughts. it was winter and i found a white rose which i scattered in a dirty pond, i knew it would help the water, i knew it was magical healing, later demons appeared sneering at me "she's the one with the rose" - its a blur.

the appearance of gods, demons and angels, the battle like the darkness sees you once you see it and comes after you and yet somehow the light is working for you, for me only bits and pieces i can recall, i have no linear sequence of events but the light was using me as bait to draw out demons, i'd almost be hit by a car or attacked but then it wouldnt happen - oh if only i had your words! I understand on a level beyond words, its a knowing. and youre right they dont like you to know.

its a state i cannot live in, its like i move faster, birds and tress talk to me, everything is connected and the connections make obvious sense. smells, food, energies are strong and clear in their orientation. it usually occurs for me around halloween.

i am not sure if its enlightenment per se but it is enlightening and since 19 when i first had these experiences they certainly led me on the path, gave me insight, a trail through the labyrinth and something of my own (not conditioned - be this do that) some hope that i can find myself, "take back the child that was stolen" for as a poster recently said i have never been so myself as i am in those times. I escaped the drugs i knew too much by then to trust them, sectioned it was a game of wits to be crazy to the other inmates to blend in but sane with the psych's, (they let me out in 5 days) and to remain true to my visions for example i had lost my keys and was wearing only track suit bottoms and a t shirt in mid winter freezing my tits off i managed to get to the landlord in bloody waterloo and the guy gave me a big black puffer jacket the kind security guards wear - what a godsend as the only way i could shut off the energies from the rest of the ward was to sleep under this coat.

the things i saw....as you describe the coincidences like causing rain, or making a person you need show up, i knew the names of these 3 kids on a bus and the mistakes you can make without knowing the power you wield. i am not special, i have no mystical abilities that are unique to me, we all have this, i think, we just dont know it nor how to tap it due to our limited perception.

thanks for your posts, it really captures the magic of those experiences and helped me to remember more vividly my own.

x
Hi Mariantisocial,
Thanks for sharing, your post is reaffirming for me and I appreciate your kind words. There are way to many similarities in experiences for one to put it all to illness isn't there? I am glad you enjoyed my posts, I bared myself for the whole purpose of persons like yourself reading them and to share their own experiences. There is much to be learned from such experiences I think.

Peace:)

[kblood]

I have a friend who has schizophrenia and I have it myself as well. Mine is thankfully under control now, but made for a messy life in my teens. Messy but not boring though.

I have tried helping him maybe getting off medication so he could be as free as me from it, and while doing this we have chatted about how it has affected us. And the similarities are amazing. Reading here, it seems many of the things are the same here.

I must admit what I have tried helping him with, is coming to terms with what he experiences and find ways to not have those experiences. Change thought patterns, and keep doing it until it becomes second nature. Problem is that he is older than me, and over the years such thought patterns deepen.

Part of it is that we see patterns and things that might or might not be coincidences as more than just that. Sometimes I believe we get carried away and look too deep into such things, but it certainly is more than that. It can open for a clarity that logic or at least my logic, cannot explain. I have to use concepts like karma, destiny / fate and the law of attraction to make any sense of it.

These days I have learned to ignore most of it and live a normal life with a full time job, friends and hobbies. But I still think about letting go of those old thought patterns, in hopes that I can stop them again before they carry me away. Just to see what I would make of them this time, what secrets would be revealed?

But the confusion it brings is tiresome. I am considering religion, or at least following the codes of a religion to see if it could help me focus whatever it is and make more sense of it. The chaos it brings inside, explosions of thoughts ideas and input from senses we probably haven't even named yet, is just too much in its raw state for me.

[mariantisocial]

Hi Mariantisocial,
Thanks for sharing, your post is reaffirming for me and I appreciate your kind words. There are way to many similarities in experiences for one to put it all to illness isn't there? I am glad you enjoyed my posts, I bared myself for the whole purpose of persons like yourself reading them and to share their own experiences. There is much to be learned from such experiences I think.

Peace:)

thanks for your reply. connection. :)

[passerbye999]

I have a friend who has schizophrenia and I have it myself as well. Mine is thankfully under control now, but made for a messy life in my teens. Messy but not boring though.

I have tried helping him maybe getting off medication so he could be as free as me from it, and while doing this we have chatted about how it has affected us. And the similarities are amazing. Reading here, it seems many of the things are the same here.

I must admit what I have tried helping him with, is coming to terms with what he experiences and find ways to not have those experiences. Change thought patterns, and keep doing it until it becomes second nature. Problem is that he is older than me, and over the years such thought patterns deepen.

Part of it is that we see patterns and things that might or might not be coincidences as more than just that. Sometimes I believe we get carried away and look too deep into such things, but it certainly is more than that. It can open for a clarity that logic or at least my logic, cannot explain. I have to use concepts like karma, destiny / fate and the law of attraction to make any sense of it.

These days I have learned to ignore most of it and live a normal life with a full time job, friends and hobbies. But I still think about letting go of those old thought patterns, in hopes that I can stop them again before they carry me away. Just to see what I would make of them this time, what secrets would be revealed?

But the confusion it brings is tiresome. I am considering religion, or at least following the codes of a religion to see if it could help me focus whatever it is and make more sense of it. The chaos it brings inside, explosions of thoughts ideas and input from senses we probably haven't even named yet, is just too much in its raw state for me.

Hi Kblood, it does seem that there are many similarities between the experiences of the two illnesses, especially during mania, but inbetween manias as well. My doctor makes a seperation between thought patterns and the disorder itself. What I mean is that she soesn't take away from my thoughts and feelings only my mood patterns themselves. This has been thereputic for me because it doesn't devaluate my experiences.

She couldn't do that anyway in my mind but it does add reassurance when we discuss such matters that she doesn't dismiss them as insanity. I think and she agrees it is up to ourselves to define the parameters of what we accept to be delusion or not.

When one is in a dream and they are dreaming lucidly they know it is a dream yet it doesn't take away from the reality of the dream. For me that is the best way to describe the experience. I agree with you we shouldn't let the dream destroy our waking life and it would suck to live in coma but in a way we are fortunate for others can only wonder.

The thing that gets me is the non delusional parts of the delusion that play inside the delusion. Others that are in the dream, my dream and know the dream, maybe seem to know my dream better than I do. What I am getting at in a very round about way is psychic phenomena.

It is not illness but very real yet seems to peak in such a mind state. I as well have thought about and sought out organized religion. It didn't work out so well for me. I am not saying it will not work out for you but they do view people with our perspectives as different. I personally freaked out the pentecostal church my wifes family and I were part of.

Real God moments they didn't know how to deal with. I never did anything freaky I simply made them uneasy for some reason. Maybe it was the calmness and certainty in which I claimed the still small voice communicated with me. The Pastors claims of such were just fine though:D.

We all have to follow our hearts though so good luck in your quest.

[passerbye999]

thanks for your reply. connection. :)

manias are all about connection:)

[passerbye999]

I checked myself into the hosptiatal a couple weeks ago because i needed a short stay to adjust and regulate my meds. I spent that time with some interesting and wonderful people.

We had lots of conversations on mania and what it means to be a manic. Once again it was reafirmed to me that manias are a spiritual and religous awakening and most manics would rather live in that state than be flattened out by medication which creates the depressive phase of there so called ailment.

Think about that for a moment, their depression is brought on by meds so the doctors and society in general believe they are not in a right sort of mind yet some of the gretest people of our time and ages past were manic.

They live in a euphoria a hiegthened state of mental clarity naturaly but the stigma of society represses them. It is the greatest form of segregation and human intolerance. so what is they are a little hyper and their thoughts flow freely that is a human right.

Most of the stories are of their own families , usually difuntional families where the parents should be interned instead of the children, having them admitted because they refuse to follow the traditional norms. Imposing there rights of free action and speach. The ideas the speak are usually profound but so high above the everage persons IQ"s that the termed crazy because the are muttering gibberish it matters not that their speach is elequent and well thought out.

What is the fear of these ideas that makes the herd shun them. The manic reads a holy book and truly understands it and tries to follow thw teachings the have been blessed to intimately understand. i am not talking about just me it is the norm. We had conversation that the doctors and nurses joined in on for they admitted the were learning not just about the illness but the knowledge that was being shared freely.

I do adnit i was the catylist. I started the conversations about the similarites between eastern and western philosophy and modern psychology and psychiatry. How the modern system is just now proven and using methods , ideas and tools that have been around for thousands of years.


For example they tell patients to meditate to relive anxiety yet the don't know how to meditate themselves. I ran small seminars for free to those who were interested a couple social workers, nurses and one psychologist joined in. It all started because I practiced my exercises everyday as I ALWAYS DO AND OTHERS ASKED TO JOIN IN.

People felt better from the exercises and it was a benifit some one could show them how to breath and meditate and do chi kung. Rather than just being told to do it with no explanation in order to get their PRN's. They held Yoga classes but they were useless and people just joined me in the halls.

I felt better they felt better and we all learned about what it means to be bi polar. Our thoughts are not wrong we have problems with our moods is the consecus. I wrote poems and soon others were writing or drawing or painting becuse they had renewed their inspiration.

It was a dull boring place when i eneterd and I was sad to leave but gained numbers for future contact from friends i had met their. Some peole may snub their nose at ch'an and Taoist alchemy but it really works in a wholistic way.

How do these people intuit so much wisdom from seemingly out of nowhere in a mania? More enlightened masters than any well known guru who because they are a well known guru can not possibliy enlightened for the all speak of pride a pride of their so called knowing with no experience to back it. We listen to them but when is the last time you spoke and really listened to a manic without your own personal bias?

Bi polar mania is enlightenment period. The problem is the world does not want or tolerate truly enlightened people. They would rather institutionalize them. The world could learn and grow from their ideas and the interesting thing is their ideas are always virtually the same just worded differently by each individual.

Living in the spirit is what each and every faith aspires for it is a shame when they truly encounter it it scares them so much they repress it.


Peace

Passerbye999

[atumra]

Passerby, I have been on a roller coaster for the last few years after my first onset of mania. I am convinced that spiritually I will never be the same person. As you so beautifully described when you are manic you lose the need to think. You do not question what you must do next for you have the inept feeling of what you are going to be doing. There is a flow, a rhythm, and an abundance of extrasensory perceptions which are pouring in from everywhere imaginable.

To me it felt almost humorous to have wave after wave of revelations flowing over me as I was on my "spirit walk" as you have coined it. What really has drawn me to you is your obvious infatuation with not only religion but with Egypt, which for me has been what my whole journey has been all about. Your experiences sound so similar to find it it almost scary.

Before I go into too much detail about everything which happened, I guess I had some things I was curious about which maybe you could answer for me.

1. Who is the most important Egyptian deity to you and why?
2. What do you know about Atum
3. What are your thoughts about using marijuana to bring you down when you can sense you are speeding up to fast or simply just know that you need to get some sleep so the stress levels do not trigger an episode?



Although my experiences with mania caused a lot of hardship for my family and myself and feel that I am so much more spiritually in tune as a result of it. I am currently taking Lamotragine which I noticed you took in the past as well. I am taking this for my parents and those who care for me, if it was up to me I would still be living in hawaii using Ganja as my only medicine and continuing my spiritual quest.

I feel as if Morpheus took me out of the Matrix I went down the rabbit hole, and now because of these pills the memory of the matrix and morpheus and the matrix are slowly fading from my psyche and I find my self in the hustle of the 9-5 sitting in front of a computer in a cubicle now. Pretty surreal

[passerbye999]

Passerby, I have been on a roller coaster for the last few years after my first onset of mania. I am convinced that spiritually I will never be the same person. As you so beautifully described when you are manic you lose the need to think. You do not question what you must do next for you have the inept feeling of what you are going to be doing. There is a flow, a rhythm, and an abundance of extrasensory perceptions which are pouring in from everywhere imaginable.

To me it felt almost humorous to have wave after wave of revelations flowing over me as I was on my "spirit walk" as you have coined it. What really has drawn me to you is your obvious infatuation with not only religion but with Egypt, which for me has been what my whole journey has been all about. Your experiences sound so similar to find it it almost scary.

Before I go into too much detail about everything which happened, I guess I had some things I was curious about which maybe you could answer for me.

1. Who is the most important Egyptian deity to you and why?
2. What do you know about Atum
3. What are your thoughts about using marijuana to bring you down when you can sense you are speeding up to fast or simply just know that you need to get some sleep so the stress levels do not trigger an episode?



Although my experiences with mania caused a lot of hardship for my family and myself and feel that I am so much more spiritually in tune as a result of it. I am currently taking Lamotragine which I noticed you took in the past as well. I am taking this for my parents and those who care for me, if it was up to me I would still be living in hawaii using Ganja as my only medicine and continuing my spiritual quest.

I feel as if Morpheus took me out of the Matrix I went down the rabbit hole, and now because of these pills the memory of the matrix and morpheus and the matrix are slowly fading from my psyche and I find my self in the hustle of the 9-5 sitting in front of a computer in a cubicle now. Pretty surreal

Hi atumra, as time progresses and the memories fade it does become easier to adjust. Part of you will never be the same though. Spiritually you will always be a little different now. You cannot see the other side of reality and not be changed by it.

I like Horus for he is the beginning of the messianic concept and balancer of the scales. I don't know much Atum other than that he is the creator god and at the end of the creation cycle the completion god. You put it aptly alpha and omega.

As for pot it creates manias in high doses. It does help with depression though. It is interesting your analogy of the matrix, it is very much like that isn't it?

Peace:)

[atumra]

Thanks for the quick reply. I read all of your posts in this forum, how have you been doing recently? I was wondering what your exact outlook on the medication is at this point. I don't know about yourself personally but for me the biggest temptation to stop taking the meds is to get back the unbridled creativity, drive, and alertness I felt when I was hypo manic.

What is this thing we are able to tap into where all of this unbridled energy comes from? You expressed this feeling so perfectly, I think that everyone (myself included) that becomes manic is overcome with unlimited energy and feels so close to God and his power that they feel they are a part of him. I don't think that this is an untrue statement for I do feel we are all God and are all connected to the source that is the ultimate creator.

Some of the things I experienced similar to you.
1. Encounters with the homeless that knew my history and told me things about myself which they could not possibly have known.
2. Communicating with people through telepathy.
3. Being able to speak through parables/ unbridled creativity. (What is it about being able to communicate in rhyme?)
4. Sensing evil spirits and the people they possess.
5. Feeling I was on a mission from God.
6. Doing things without questioning the reason why I was doing them. The overwhelming feeling that this is what I must do no matter the consequences.


My last manic episode occurred when I was living in Hawaii on the island of Oahu. This is a very spiritual place and I was amazed at the connection between the native Hawaiian traditional religion and that of Egypt. There was something about the energy there which was palpable and I truly do believe being so close to fault lines and an active volcano could have contributed to the manic energy which consumed me.


I guess the thing which is so difficult for me right now is just going back to being a "regular member" of society. I think that part of me still feels like I have special abilities and am aware of things the general public can not sense. Because of this, I feel like I am meant to be doing more and I should not halter my spiritual growth and progression by becoming stagnant and plugging into the rat race. Do you have any advice for me on what I should do?

I really want to move back to Hawaii because it is a magical place but I also do not want to cause pain and suffering within my family because they love and care for me so much.

Hope all is well.

[passerbye999]

Hi atumra,

I am doing quite fine ch'an helps me deal with life in a remarkable way. It allows me to still experience the wonder but from more of a third party experience. As for the meds there is a spiritual side of you that they can never take away, especially the memories. If they do not agree with you talk to your doctor and make changes, if the doctor is unwilling find another doctor. In my opinion the meds are good if you can get the right cocktail.

Tell your doctor you loke to be a little manic but not too much because it makes you feel alive rather than flat. I use a scale with my doctor where 5 is fully manic, 0 is flat and -5 is completely depressed. I stay at 1 that is where I want to be so she throws in anti depressents with the anti psychotics. As for the voices and telepathy I take a drug called zeldox it keeps it under control but spirits are real and when the really want my attention they make themselves known.

My sensitivity to them and thier world has never diminished with the drugs. As for God I am a little pissed at him/her at this time, for putting me through all that crap and leaving me on my own to do it with only a little help. Satan is a tough adversary eventually I just had to make peace because I couldn't defeat him. I did learn alot though of the role of Gods and men.

Even with the drugs just open yourself up again to your spiritualality and I would suggest until you gain more mental and spiritual strength stay away from power places. Don't go back until you are completely ready.

Brother I emphasize with you completely and understand your experiences for I have myself. The only reason they really give us meds is because they do not know what else to do with us, for we are not schitzophrenic(though they rhyme well). Yet we are not normal either, we would be considered prophets and the like in the old days(touched by God). We can sense each other when we meet that is why the homeless come for most of them are too. We speak in tongues , true tongues; parables, rhymes, riddles, koans, etc.. Still understandable to those who understand.

Churches fear us. That is our lot.

Peace:)

[atumra]

PB, you seem like a very righteous and principled man that has gone through a lot of pain in your life. One of the things I talked about in Hawaii with a person I consider to be my spiritual father is the fact that this life is but a test for eternity. In the scheme of things although our existence, and our condition which we are both gifted and cursed with, is merely a blink in time when we consider that we will live for eternity. Perhaps by going through so much hardship and misery and trying times in this life it will make our ultimate salvation that much sweeter.

I thought you would find these videos interesting. All I listen to is reggae for it truly uplifts my soul and I truly do believe the good vibrations of the music impact me in a great way. However as you are probably aware, there is a very dark side to the music industry and hollywood and it is clear that there is a war going on.

I am half jamaican and half white and I am deeply connected to the roots of my fathers past even though I was adopted. Anyways I will go into greater detail of my manic episodes later but I thought you would find these contrasting messages and ideologies espoused in these music videos to be very interesting.

If there is any symbology in the Damian Marley video which you think I may have missed, please point it out because this whole video is mindbogleing especially given what the other video exposes.

Blessings




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9VQye6P8k0


* Look closely at 2:25 right when Damian says can you read signs...there is the baphomet in the darkness and Nas is standing in the light...just my interpretation but I think the video is a diss to those with dark agendas as Rasta is the way of the light and righteousness *



Now compare that to this side of industry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iDq0Tdja4A




A poem I wrote during my first mania...

The night is far gone the day is near
Let us then lay aside the works of darkness
And put on the armor of the Light!

[passerbye999]

Very enlightening videos atumra. Reminded me of alot of things from my past and my battles with Satan and in turn I suppose the illuminati, I thought it was masons but I guess they are the same at the top. To hear from stars and see their battles and workings was very interesting for it was very much the same in ways.

When I was on my vigil they all appeared wearing black, with black umbrellas , black handbags and black sun glasses. They were everywhere they would make gestures or say things. I would say 1 in every 4 people I saw was one of them. It was all the umbrellas that made them stand out, no one else carried them.

Most of my direct conversations began at 3:00 am. I would just wake up and there he was in my head. Then during the day I would meet people who would say things that were part of these conversations.

Anyway I am enjoying our conversations and I am glad you joined the thread.

Peace

[passerbye999]

I would like to add after thinking about it over night who and what Satan, Lucifer, Ba'al, Ba'alzebub, Baphomet etc really is and how he works. There is much to be said about the light in this forum very little said about the truth of the darkness and the shadows.

That is where he lives in the darkness and shadows of each and everyone of our souls. If you say not then you do not know the Rain Man. You are blind to the evil that is in and around you and you should wake up to the reality that the truly good are an extreme minority as are the truly evil but it is in the indifferent that the Devil makes his playground.

First lets talk about the still small voice. The voices of the spirits. The voices of gaurdian angels. The voice of God. Any thought or voice that comes into ones head must immediately be discerned. In my opininion all should be ignored exept your own inner voice but it also needs to be didcerned.

The Holy Spirit says love and you feel euphoria, Satan says love and you feel euphoria. You really do not know who is speaking but you act in love. The Devil is tricky though he uses love and compassion to confuse people into following his will. He uses holy books and quotes when he speaks, he knows them all. He uses comfort and security to lead people astray.

Since he lives deep in the shadows of our subconscious minds he can temporarily or long lastingly possess us at his will. All it takes is one thought of his that you act on innocently or not and for that moment you are possessed. The New Age Movement are in the most danger and they do not even realize that they are. Most of there teachings and techniques are his.

He has invaded the churches, synogogues and mosques. You really have no where to hide when he is in you and in every one you will meet and every one you know. God the creator is neutral in this endeavor He/ She allows it to happen just read Job the oldest book in the Bible. Satan is late for the meeting God has set forth and they have a conversation.

The power to exorsize him lies soley in the individual. First you have to see the evil, learn how it works and realize when it is working in you. Only after you truly wake up and "see and hear" can you then begin to deal with the Rain Man. Eyes are the mirror of the soul it is in the eyes of those you know and meet that you can see his eyes when he appears.

I fought him for a total of 1 year of my life full time when I was manic and super sensitive to these types of things. When it was done I thought I was going to die. I was completely physically, mentally and spiritually finished.
Know one who reads this will know that feeling unless you do what I did.
It was worse than a tour in Iraq for there was no escape and trust me Ba'al is scarrier than a bullet or a bomb. My body and immortal soul were on the line.

He still comes sometimes in my dreams when I go into sleep paralysis and can't wake myself up and when I do it is always 3:00 am on the dot. Sometimes I won't go to sleep until 4:00 just because I feel something and just do not want to go through those nightmares. They are so real you can experience all of your senses in them. When I was manic it was like that but being awake.

I only write this because I want to share the other side of a true spiritual journey. When you are on that right track you will definately meet him. If you haven't met him you are already following his ways and probably don't even know it. Call me arrogant or call me crazy I don't care life is all about experience. I carry shame too for he has possessed me at times in the past as well right when I was fighting him the hardest. The Rain Man is very clever.

He is a real entity and the only way to truly be rid of him is for everyone on the planet to stand together and ignore his power together or kill everyone because once the killing starts he is in his glory and in everyone who is killing all are possessed it doesn't matter what side they are on. Think about it.

Peace

[passerbye999]

I hope I didn't scare anyone off from my last post. In my thread relinquishing the I, I tell how to deal with this dilemma on a personal fashion. I wasn't talking to anyone in particular it was just that atumra's video brought back a lot of memories for me and flooded me with past emotions and i felt i had to write them out to exorsize them from my mind. pun intended. Anyway don't take it too seriously.

Peace:)

[atumra]

I actually know exactly what your talking about. The power you receive when you are engulfed during a mania can be intoxicating and it is very easy to blur the lines between what is about you and your power and about the service to others and God.

"All I know is that I know nothing."

I think I am on the right path but as you said there is no one more clever then the devil so in that sense I think your forewarning is very appropriate.

Anyways, I am very interested to learn as much as possible from you and your experiences. What is your view of Judaism? I find it interesting in the bible that everything always points back to Egypt.

Do you think Ra and Jehovah are one in the same?

What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

How does the tao relate to the mystery schools of Egypt in your mind?

Just some things I was curious to learn from you.

Here is another video I think you will like...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wlEUiCu1E


Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG4ZekGw7gU&feature=related

[passerbye999]

I actually know exactly what your talking about. The power you receive when you are engulfed during a mania can be intoxicating and it is very easy to blur the lines between what is about you and your power and about the service to others and God.

"All I know is that I know nothing."

I think I am on the right path but as you said there is no one more clever then the devil so in that sense I think your forewarning is very appropriate.

Anyways, I am very interested to learn as much as possible from you and your experiences. What is your view of Judaism? I find it interesting in the bible that everything always points back to Egypt.

Do you think Ra and Jehovah are one in the same?

What are your thoughts on reincarnation?

How does the tao relate to the mystery schools of Egypt in your mind?

Just some things I was curious to learn from you.

Here is another video I think you will like...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wlEUiCu1E


Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG4ZekGw7gU&feature=related

Hi atumra nice to hear from you again. I would like to PM you but we have to wait until you have made a certain amount of posts or a certain period of time passes first, I am not sure which but when we can it would be nice to talk in that format.

As for your questions I will answer the best that I can. Please understand though this is just my opinion on subjects that is all that I can offer.

Moses took with him all the secrets of Egypt when they exodused. He had only met the Caananite God YHWH just before he approached Pharoah and demanded the Jews release. I like that God anounced himself as " I am that I am." There is so much theology and philosophy in that statement that it is awesome to me. i digress though. Moses met YHWH in Midia I believe not 100% certain but I can see the location on the map in my head it lies between the Sinia and Caanan.

YHWH and Ra are not the same YHWH beat the magi of Egypt with the snake septre and the plagues. Just as He beat Ba'al's preists with Elijah. My favorite Character of the old testement , then come Samson for me, then Joshua. Anyway by definition Ra is a sun God where YHWH is a storm God. YHWH though developed over time. Originally He had a consort Asherah and He was one of the 70 sons of El and Elat along with Ba'al. The similar story in Egypt would be Osirus , Isis , Horus and Set. That is why I like Horus.

The Tao is uniquely Chinese and I don't think there is anything in Egyptian lore that is similiar. Egyptian lore is very complex but the mysteries to me, and I speak solely for myself ar quite shallow dealing to much with Gods and the afterlife. The only real connection is the concept of Kingship and how to rule justly. Taoism is very deep and deals mainly with man Heaven is an abstraction though there is some cosmology as well alike Egypt. Both held the North star and the Big Dipper Sacred.

One of the things i find interesting is the link between Osirus and Orion. Orion holds many mysteries and secrets to me. Secrets I would like answers for personally. It is the Egyptian story of Reincarnation. Dealing with the seasonal flood waters of the Nile. I am on the ropes about reincarnation I am not sure , part of me believes and part of me says to pay it no mind.

Jesus didn't discout it though. When asked by his apostles " Teacher , Teacher why was this man born blind is it something he has done in a past life?" Jesus answered simply" No it is so God's will could be done." then he went on to heal the blind man. He could have rebuked his disciples but he didn't on the concept of reincarnation so obciously to me the Jews at that time believed in it.

I know alot about Judiasm i am more Jew Than Christian I call myself a Messianic Jew. That is my faith. I practice Ch'an. One helps the other to me.
So I hope I have helped you out a bit I am going to meditate for a while know and think on these questions more. For these answers are just from the top of my head.

Peace:)

[passerbye999]

Hi atumra,

I thought about Egyptian mysticism and Chinese mysticism some more and I do have some more things to add.

I want to start with something quite interesting, pyramid power. When I was 19, 23 years ago. I was reading a book I think it was a Zacharia Sitchin book and I decided to build a exact replica of the Great Pyramid in Giza with cardboard to scale. What I did was take two roma tomatoes, I placed one inside the pyramid where the King's chamber was located again to scale and one on a saucer on my desk next to the pyramid. Within about a week the tomato outside the pyramid began to rot, within two weeks I had to throw it out. But the tomato inside the pyramid within one month began to petrify by about three months it was like a sun dried tomato. It was truly incredible.

Egyptian mysticism with it's arcane spells like what composes the book, " The Book of Coming Forth By Day or Book of the Dead it is also called" are of a complete different style than in Chinese mysticism which is based on the "I Ching , The Book of Changes". All Chinese mysticism is based on the idea of the Tao and it's cycles and it's driving force chi (vital energy). The closest thing to the idea of chi or shen (spirit) in Egyptian mysticism is Ka which seems to me be a combination of both.

Egyptian mysticism is based off of Dieties that continually change and combine over time or a Pharoahs wishes. Chinese mystycism only has Immortals everything is about longevity even after death as opposed to ascension to become a god. Both have Magi though and magic is obviously their life for both cultures for both deal in the arcane and occult and train their lives to serve their masters, Pharoah or Emporer.

What i know and practice is kung fu, chi kung (energy work) and meditation. Some would consider it mysticism I suppose but it is not. But it does deal with training and working with the body, mind, energy and the spirit. Some of the things one can do after many years of practice may seem magical but it is not, it is simle physics. Body mechanics and kinesiology along with breathing. Biomechanics includes biomechanical energy. No magic, no spells , not even any words.

I don't even know if the Egyptians had such a practice it seems to me uniquely chinese. Yoga doesn't even compare it is nothing like it neither are Indian traditional fighting arts. as for longevity in life Indian and Chinese arts both are far superior to anything the world has to offer. The same with mental Training both seem to achieve the same results in their own ways.

The Egyptians and Indians did have something different though and in it's own way led to something the world is now formed of theology. It was the Jews though who came up with the concept of one God, one creator one finisher, one spirit and nobody else but servants called messengers or angels if you will. The concept of the Holy of Holies though does come from Egypt it is not a Jewish thing it was borrowed. As for the concept of Kinship and a Kings Divine Right to be King chosen by God.

When I was manic there was a time when the voices in my head chanted " Horus! Horus! Ra! Ra! Ra!" over and over again. I thought I was Horus born into a human body I was 39 at the time. Just a few years ago, seems like yesterday. They voices would chant and I fought to stay semi - sane. Set was my satan (adversary) and we fought to balance the scales of good and evil. I would walk the streets in my t-shirt, shorts and sandals for miles saying spells and counter spells in my head as well as prayers. anyone looking at me would never know what was going on inside of my head. For i was completely silent and when I had conversatios with poeple I would switch into normal mode. It was like living in two worlds the spiritual world of the mind and the material world of the flesh. I was living in both at the same time. I was euphoric and everypart of it was as real to me as my own face.

Every mania was like that I always went for months wandering around manic until I got tired and admitted myself for I had run myself down so far from not eating or sleeping or someone realized I was manic in my family and they would call my shrink who would send the cops after me. It is weird being arresated when you are manic you're walking around doing whatever your doing in your head then some cop comes up addressing you by name and you're wondering is the state after me or something how did she or he know who I was and what did I do wrong. Until you pull up to the hospital and they lock you in a room with security guards guarding outside your room. Then you know your family and shrink hood winked you.

I digress. Personaly I chose my faith and philosophy a long time ago. I will never change until I die and it won't matter anymore. I have not much use for mysticism of any sort. Even though my manias were full of magic. Real magic not illusionist stuff. Rain Falling out of nowhere on a sunny day because you say the spells. People reading your thoughts, telepathy. Spirits possessing people. It was a trip. The whole world appears different, everything just seems different it's hard to explain, you see and feel the patterns everywhere. You are full of energy even when your body just says enough as a matter of fact that is when your spirit seems the strongest.

So I started out talking about one thing then went on a famous passerbye tangent. I have written enough for now though.

Peace:)

[neila]

I have been diagnosed with bipolar 1 after many years without medication. It's such a tricky illness/enlightment as there are many kinds. I see it like this: Bipolar is like having a spell cast upon you, some people can break the spell, others can't.
I am pushing 40. My worst consistent episodes were in my 20s. My 30s went with out much of a hitch but since pushing 40 the mania has become more consistent again but my mind doesn't want or need medication (Some people do if they are a danger to them selves or others)

Jeez I just went out and got an Iphone 4s today, I cant afford it but fuck it, it will give me a little high for a while.

My friend moved to australia and has admitted herself to a mental institution. She is zombie now, such a shame.

I love the mania, but need some sort of meditation NOT medication to control the anger that can come with it. I also love the enlightenment, obe's etc. No one will take that away from me.

[maxine]

My first serious relationship a long time a go ended with my girlfriend having what was diagnosed as acute psychosis. This lady set me on my spiritual path and opened my eyes to many things I would never have thought possible before(I would have been classed as an atheist when we met).

To cut a long story short she went through what I would now recognize as enlightenment or illumination of some sort. Sadly though at the time this wasn't understood and she was dragged off to hospital, locked up and heavily medicated. The doctors at the hospital told me the best thing for me to do for her was to move and get on with my own life. Being only young at the time I reluctantly took their advise and moved on.

I saw her again a year or so later and the lady I once knew had been replaced by this drugged up caricature of her former self, very sad it was like someone had turned her light off, all that was left was her shell.

I feel really sorry for her!!
Spiritual entities, use mental illness - as a way of, "covering" for their existence.
Deb Webber is a renowned psychic, (i must point out, that she's a lovely lady - who has a close relationship, with the spirit world. If you watch the programme, "Sensing Murder" - you will see her remarkable abilities!)
It all started, when she began drinking heavily - which resulted in her hearing voices, (coming through loudly.)
So, my question is - what's the difference? Psychic, schizophrenic, or psychosis - appear to be just labels!
I welcome the day, when we all become enlightened. Every mental hospital would be closed down - and the suffering would stop.


(...and to all those entities, involved in ruining these peoples lives - SHAME ON YOU!!) :mad:

[passerbye999]

I feel really sorry for her!!
Spiritual entities, use mental illness - as a way of, "covering" for their existence.
Deb Webber is a renowned psychic, (i must point out, that she's a lovely lady - who has a close relationship, with the spirit world. If you watch the programme, "Sensing Murder" - you will see her remarkable abilities!)
It all started, when she began drinking heavily - which resulted in her hearing voices, (coming through loudly.)
So, my question is - what's the difference? Psychic, schizophrenic, or psychosis - appear to be just labels!
I welcome the day, when we all become enlightened. Every mental hospital would be closed down - and the suffering would stop.


(...and to all those entities, involved in ruining these peoples lives - SHAME ON YOU!!) :mad:

You made some good points and that is a good question. Mental Hospitals aren't as bad as you would think in most cases especially in Canada. I rather enjoyed my 5 stays. I spent a total of about a year in the same one over a period of a decade.

One thing I learned is that schitzophrenia is a whole different beast than bi-polar. Episodes and manias are completely different though there is some small similarities. Some schitzophrenics though I believe have been misdiagnosed and should be classified as bi-polar. There is enough consistencies in these conditions to label them as individual illnesses and they are illnesses.

I don't take away from psychic abilities for that is different from the illness but bi polar people do appear to be more sensitive to these things. It's like a wavelength or frequency manics tune into it strange to say the least. I do agree with you though discrimination is a huge problem and empathy and compassion are truly needed.

The facilities should be better segregated between the two illnesses though. Just my personal opinion and between psychotics and manics. It may seem like nitpicking I suppose but spend a couple months in a mental ward and you will really know what I am talking about. Psycho analysis and psycho therapy are more important than drugs , those two combined with a safe and healthy environment would do more for patients than large doses of drugs to flatten a persons personality.

[passerbye999]

I have been diagnosed with bipolar 1 after many years without medication. It's such a tricky illness/enlightment as there are many kinds. I see it like this: Bipolar is like having a spell cast upon you, some people can break the spell, others can't.
I am pushing 40. My worst consistent episodes were in my 20s. My 30s went with out much of a hitch but since pushing 40 the mania has become more consistent again but my mind doesn't want or need medication (Some people do if they are a danger to them selves or others)

Jeez I just went out and got an Iphone 4s today, I cant afford it but fuck it, it will give me a little high for a while.

My friend moved to australia and has admitted herself to a mental institution. She is zombie now, such a shame.

I love the mania, but need some sort of meditation NOT medication to control the anger that can come with it. I also love the enlightenment, obe's etc. No one will take that away from me.

I agree, meditation is an excellent maintenance cure and you're right the experience no one can take away from you. In my experience in Canada they don't over do it with the meds and I have been in hospitals in two different cites and provinces. I like to be up as well. I hate the depressive cycles but manage to live through them lol.

Peace:)

[maxine]

You made some good points and that is a good question. Mental Hospitals aren't as bad as you would think in most cases especially in Canada. I rather enjoyed my 5 stays. I spent a total of about a year in the same one over a period of a decade.

One thing I learned is that schitzophrenia is a whole different beast than bi-polar. Episodes and manias are completely different though there is some small similarities. Some schitzophrenics though I believe have been misdiagnosed and should be classified as bi-polar. There is enough consistencies in these conditions to label them as individual illnesses and they are illnesses.

I don't take away from psychic abilities for that is different from the illness but bi polar people do appear to be more sensitive to these things. It's like a wavelength or frequency manics tune into it strange to say the least. I do agree with you though discrimination is a huge problem and empathy and compassion are truly needed.

The facilities should be better segregated between the two illnesses though. Just my personal opinion and between psychotics and manics. It may seem like nitpicking I suppose but spend a couple months in a mental ward and you will really know what I am talking about. Psycho analysis and psycho therapy are more important than drugs , those two combined with a safe and healthy environment would do more for patients than large doses of drugs to flatten a persons personality.

If you have schizophrenia - and hear voices......... what do you perceive those voices to be?
My point is - that psychics communicate with the spiritual entities of this world. They all say, that it is not only a blessing - but a curse!
Do you not interpret, what you are hearing - as being exactly the same thing? Please don't think that i am in anyway taking away from you - the fact that you have problems. Entities can show the most deplorable behaviour - towards human beings!
I see mental hospitals - as a spiritual playground - where entities can get away, with just about anything!! :eek:

[passerbye999]

If you have schizophrenia - and hear voices......... what do you perceive those voices to be?
My point is - that psychics communicate with the spiritual entities of this world. They all say, that it is not only a blessing - but a curse!
Do you not interpret, what you are hearing - as being exactly the same thing? Please don't think that i am in anyway taking away from you - the fact that you have problems. Entities can show the most deplorable behaviour - towards human beings!
I see mental hospitals - as a spiritual playground - where entities can get away, with just about anything!! :eek:

I hear what you're saying maxine and i do agree with you. I am bi polar 1 with schitzoaffective disorder, which is a fancy way to say I hear voices as well as being bi polar. Sometimes the voices are entities(aliens, demons, angels and the like) sometimes it's my condition. It's all a matter of discernment. And yes sometimes it gets pretty bizarre in the hospitals to say the least. I have oftened wondered though if psychics are just un treated mentally ill. There are a lot of similarities as you say. :)

[atumra]

Passerybye,

I hate to feel like I am hijacking the direction of this thread but your experience is so very similar to what I went through in my mania that I want to learn as much as I can about your experience as I can. During my mania Atum and Enoch were both very important to the revelations I was having and after I had come down and from my mania and did some more research, I was flabbergasted to find this article...let me know (if you want! I hate to sound like I'm demanding things from you constantly lol) what you think.


Enoch

In rabbinical tradition Enoch is known as being the first human soul to become the Messiah or Anointed One (i.e. the Christ), the Great Teacher and Initiator, from whom all our wisdom teachings are derived and who initiates us into the mysteries of life.

The Hebraic-Christian bible refers to Enoch as the seventh from Adam [1] and son of Lamed, a member of the line of descent through Seth, the fourth son of Adam and Eve, by which the knowledge of God was preserved. Genesis describes Enoch as begetting his son Methuselah when he (Enoch) was sixty-five years old, then 'walking with God' for a further three hundred years, during which time he had further sons and daughters. At the end of this time Enoch 'was not', for 'God took him'.[2] 'Walking with God' is a phrase also used in connection with Noah, and refers to a prophetic life spent in intimate communion with the spiritual or divine world. The Book of Enoch states that 'All his [Enoch's] action was with the holy ones, and with the watchers [i.e. great angels] during his life'.[3] Ecclesiasticus refers to Enoch as pleasing the Lord and being 'translated' (i.e. taken up bodily into heaven without dying), being a 'pattern of repentance'.[4] St Paul, in his epistle to the Hebrews, echoes this, saying that: 'By faith Enoch was translated, that he should not see death; and was not found, for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God'.[5]

The Book of Enoch recounts that Enoch had been a cobbler (i.e. a mender of souls)[6] who, because of his life of piety, was taken up into heaven and raised to the first rank of angels, where he was transformed into the great archangel Metatron.[7] The rabbinical tradition further explains that Enoch was the first human being to complete all the initiations on the human path of evolution. As a result he ascended bodily into the highest heaven, where he became Metatron, chief of all the archangels or creative spirits. He was given the divine powers and keys of heaven,[8] and made guardian of the treasures of heaven.[9] There, in the highest of the seven heavens, because of his love for humanity he chose to remain with and teach those below him in evolution rather than rise and reunite totally with the Godhead.[10] He will, therefore, remain with this world to help it until all human souls reach enlightenment. As Metatron, he is known as the Great Angel of the Presence, the Angel of the Covenant and Guardian of the seven-pillared Temple of Wisdom, who prepares souls for their resurrection.

One particular rabbinical tradition states that, as Metatron, Enoch's role is to announce and prepare people for the coming of the Messiah, whilst not being the Messiah himself. This is said to be summed up in the following passage from Exodus: 'Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared'.[11] Enoch stands by and protects the throne of glory (the Merkabah), presiding over the seven heavens and 'halls' (or 'mansions') through which souls have to journey in order to reach the glory of the throne, on which is seated the Messiah, the Light of God.[12] In this role Enoch is associated with the prophet Elijah, who prepares the way for each manifestation of the Messiah or Christ, as the herald and witness of the Messiah.

Another rabbinical tradition explains this by stating that Metatron is the actual spirit (angel) or spiritual form of the Messiah, and that Enoch was the first human soul to consciously attain that crown of achievement and title. That is to say, Metatron is the 'likeness' of the Messiah or Christ, seated upon his throne and ruling all the hierarchies of heaven. Cabalists perceive Metatron as the universal form or soul of the supra-individual or universal man, called the Messiah, whose body is composed of 'avir' (æther) and whose divine spirit is 'Shekhinah' (the Presence of God immanent in the cosmos), the combination of which is light (i.e. soul). By right effort, the individual human soul can be transformed and reintegrated consciously, with full knowledge, into this universal soul. Enoch was the first to achieve this; and, having achieved it, he now helps all other souls to achieve the same. Other traditions refer to it as becoming fully illumined, or reaching the highest state of enlightenment, like the Buddha or Dattatreya.

Matching the Enochian tradition, cabalistic lore represents Elijah as the Angel of the Covenant (i.e. Metatron), as well as the forerunner of the Messiah and subduer of the Anti-Messiah (i.e. Anti-Christ). Historically, Elijah is identified with Phinehas, grandson of Aaron, the high priest and brother of Moses. Like Enoch, at the close of his ministry Elijah was translated alive into heaven by a 'whirlwind', ascending in a 'chariot of fire' (i.e. a body of light).[13]

Jesus of Nazareth, also known as the Christ or Messiah, performed the same feat, whilst John the Baptist was his herald, who prepared the way for the coming of Christ.[14] Together these two great prophets showed the two manifestations associated with Enoch-the harbinger of Christ and the Christ himself. When John the Baptist announced his cousin Jesus as the one who was to come, who was greater than he himself, he was referring to Jesus as being the Christ, with himself as the harbinger or herald.[15] To confirm this, John the Baptist was equated by his disciples with Elijah, as a reincarnation of Elijah,[16] whilst not only was Jesus recognised as the Christ by his disciples but also he openly stated that he was the Christ to the Samaritan woman at the well of Samaria.[17]

In Islamic tradition the prophet Idris, 'the Green One' or 'Evergreen', is commonly associated with either Elijah or Enoch. Idris, a saint and prophet whom God raised to heaven and who appears whenever some miraculous help is needed, is described in the Koran as a man of truth, sincerity, constancy and patience.[18] The Sabians (the religious community of the Syrians, reputedly the most ancient of the nations) relate that they received their religion from Seth (the fourth son of Adam, who took the place of Abel) and Idris (Enoch), and that they have a book which they ascribe to Seth, referred to as The Book of Seth. Idris, or Enoch, is also said to have written a book, or set of books.

Idris (Arabic, Idreesa) is the Arabic pronunciation of Osiris (Egyptian, Wesir, or Ausar), the son of Geb ('Earth') and Nut ('Heaven'). Osiris signifies the creative aspect of the Light of God, the First-Born, the Son/Sun of the Heavenly Mother and Earth Father.[19] His feminine aspect or counterpart is personified as his sister Isis (Egyptian, Aset). The name of their son, Horus (Egyptian, Kheru), is that from which the Greek word, Christos, is derived.[20]

The earliest myth concerning Osiris states that he died through drowning, rather than by dismemberment, and then was resurrected with the help of Isis. This symbolism links with the idea that Enoch was Atlas, king of Atlantis, as stated by Eusebius.[21] Atlas is identical with the Egyptian god, Temu (or Atum),[22] whose symbol was the sacred hill or island that rises above the waters (i.e. Atlantis). Temu was personified as the great predynastic king who was renowned for being the first man to have become divine by being immortalised (i.e. resurrected, or raised above the waters of mortal life) in his physical body. He was depicted as a bearded initiate-king, wearing the crowns of North and South Egypt, and carrying the sceptre and ankh. But, uniquely, he is shown wearing the red crown of the North inside the white crown of the South, which is the reverse of the headwear of all other gods and pharaohs.

Temu is synonymous with Enoch, which name is actually a title, meaning 'Initiate'. According to ancient Egyptian tradition, all the Egyptian wisdom teaching was derived from Temu, including language, hieroglyphic writing, numerology, cosmology, geomancy, and the seven liberal arts and sciences. The Hebrews later referred to this wisdom as Kabalah ('the Received Wisdom'). The Greeks, in their turn, associated Temu or Enoch with Hermes Trismegistus ('Hermes the Thrice-Greatest'), as also did the Sabaean cultists of mediaeval Arabia and the Mandaean Gnostics of Iraq, whilst the Romans named him Mercurius (i.e. Mercury)-a name derived, like the Greek Christos, from the Egyptian Kheru, or Maa Kheru, meaning 'the True Word'.

In Egyptian cosmology Temu is, as a god, the Creator, whose name means both 'All' and 'Nothing'. In the beginning he lay dormant as the seed of life within the Nun, the universal Void or Darkness (Greek, Chaos), which is also described as the Great Ocean. When awake and active, he became the 'Spirit that moved upon the face of the waters',[23] who came into being of himself. Egyptian myth describes Atum as creating himself by the projection of his own heart, bringing forth eight archetypes or gods and goddesses (neterw) as a manifestation of the eight fundamental principles enshrined within him. These eight archetypes, together with himself as Atum-Ra, make up the nine of the Great Ennead of Heliopolis (i.e. Ra, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Seth and Nepthys), in which Ra signifies Atum manifest as Light, with Shu and Tefnut being his male and female aspects. Within this divine trinity, Geb and Nut signify the earthly and heavenly polarity of the light, Osiris and Isis the creative and receptive aspects, and Seth and Nepthys the 'shadow' aspects that are required to make the light visible and known.

Temu (Enoch) 'walked with God' for three hundred years and was aged three hundred and sixty-five when 'God took him'. Enoch is said to have filled three hundred books with his writings, whilst three hundred and sixty-five (the number of days in a normal year) refers to the completion and perfection of a solar time cycle, and thus signifies the full initiate or master as well as the sun (e.g. Sun of Righteousness, a title of Christ). The number 365 is also related to the fourteen sections into which Seth divided Osiris' body (i.e. 3 + 6 + 5 = 14).

Ancient myth refers to Enoch as the Phoenix King (i.e. Atlas). His country, Atlantis, is also known as Phoenicia, the land of the phoenixes. Atlas was the eldest son of the great god Poseidon and a mortal woman, Cleito, daughter of Evenor and Leucippe. He was the eldest of ten sons, comprising five pairs of twins.[24] Atlas married Pleione, also known as Hesperis, daughter of Atlas' brother, Hesperus. Pleione was the Phoenix Queen. By her Atlas had thirteen daughters – the seven Pleiades,[25] the five Hyades,[26] and the nymph Calypso. Symbolically, the Pleiades were represented as phoenixes or doves, whilst the Hyades were represented as pigs. Maia, the eldest of the seven Pleiades (and equated with Persephone), was wooed by Zeus and subsequently gave birth to a son called Dionysus, who was, like his grandfather, also referred to as Hermes or Mercury.

Allegorically speaking, the seven Pleiades were said to have been lifted out of the watery depths on the shoulders of their father, Atlas, whence they became the seven sacred islands of Atlantis known as the Atlantides or Hesperides. In fact, all of Atlas' daughters were lifted out of the great Deep and into heaven, where they were placed by Zeus as stars. This was done as a reward for guarding the golden apples, looking after Zeus' infant son, Dionysus, and demonstrating sisterly love after the death of their brother, Hyas, who had been killed by a wild beast. These starry daughters comprise a significant part of the constellation Taurus, with the Pleiades marking the alta major chakra on the neck of the bull and the Hyades forming the nose. From this symbolism it can be deduced that the constellation of Taurus represents the heavenly Atlantis or celestial form of Atlas; and indeed it is known as the Alpha of the zodiac, from which all else is derived. Its counterpart on earth would be the terrestrial Atlantis.

In later Greek myth Atlas became known as Agenor, King of Phoenicia, whilst his queen, Pleione, was called Telephassa. Three sons were ascribed to them-Minos, Sarpedon and Rhadamanthus.

As a symbol, the phoenix (whose name is associated with the word phoenice, meaning 'purple-red', 'lovely', 'beautiful') is basically a dove that has grown beautiful by means of its love, which stains its breast purple-red through its expression of love and produces a plumed crest of illumination as a result. At the end of each cycle of phenomenal existence it is consumed in its own sweet-smelling fiery pyre of love, from which it is reborn, renewed and more beautiful than before. (The Shakespeare poem, The Phoenix and Turtle, tells something of this.) The phoenix is said to dwell at the top of the palm tree-the tree of life. This relates to Atlas (Enoch), who dwells in the highest heaven, as also to the Atlas bone at the top of the spine (the physical representation of the tree of life). In this latter symbolism, Atlas' daughters, the Pleiades, signify the alta major chakra at the back or nape of the neck, known as the Pan chakra or 'Mouth of God'. Through it the spiritual breath of life enters the body. Its earthly counterpart, the physical breath, enters the body via the mouth and nose, symbolised by the Hyades.

Atlas (Enoch) is famed for holding heaven and earth apart, and the universe in balance. The lifting of his daughters from earth to heaven is associated with this. His arms and legs, which perform this mighty feat, are represented in ancient tradition by two pillars known as the Antediluvian Pillars or Pillars of Enoch. Classical tradition refers to them as the Pillars of Hercules. In Hebraic, biblical and Masonic tradition they are called the Pillars of Solomon. Modern Freemasonry refers to them as the Great Pillars. Their Hebrew names are Jachin and Boaz. Jachin is the creative sun pillar, associated with the divine Wisdom, whilst Boaz is the reflective moon pillar, associated with the divine Intelligence or Understanding. They form respectively the right and left-hand pillars of the entrance to the Temple of Solomon, which temple is emblematic of our soul. The whole of Creation – the whole universe – is upheld in its manifestation by these twin pillars, which represent the polarity of life. The story of Enoch (Atlas), who is doomed to stand upon the earth and uphold the heavens with his arms, thereby keeping apart the earth and the sky as well as right from left, is an allegory of this fundamental polarity.

Upon these pillars Enoch is said to have inscribed the antediluvian arts and sciences, and laws of the universe. This is a way of representing the Book of Secret Wisdom, or Book of Enoch, that was delivered to Enoch by the angels of heaven, as recounted in the cabalistic text, Sepher-ha-Zohar. The ancient Egyptians represented this with their hieroglyphs that were carved and painted on the stone pillars of their temples. Solomon had his great pillars cast in bronze by his chief architect and master craftsman, Hiram Abif, in which the sacred words and symbols were moulded. The pack of Tarot cards, sometimes known as 'the sidereal Book of Enoch', is supposed to originate from these pillar 'decorations', whilst Gypsy tradition states that the cards are sacred to Tro or Tehutio, the Romany Hermes-Mercury.

The third or central pillar that completes what is a sacred trio of great pillars is the pillar set up in the centre or heart of the temple. Called Mahabone, this pillar is represented in Solomon's Temple by the altar of incense. It is symbolic in particular of the heart of Enoch. The sweet-smelling incense that is burnt upon this double-cubed altar represents the pyre of incense that immolates the phoenix, and from which the same phoenix rises, reborn or resurrected, to become the Christ or Messiah, the Phoenix King, whose throne of glory is represented in the temple by the Ark of the Covenant with its Mercy Seat.


(http://www.fbrt.org.uk/pages/essays/essay-enoch.html)

[passerbye999]

No problem atumra:D any help I can offer you is considered an honor. I read through the text and it is interesting. Is this one of those occasions where you recieved insight in your mania and you found confirmation to your insight later through this document? That happened to me all of the time in my manias and no one believed that i didn't read the materials first or see as in documenteries and the like before hand and my mind digested it and spewed it out. Mind you sometimes i would read an article or watch a program and some kind of switch did turn on and someone on the street would confirm it.

I think these ideas go way farther back than egypt though even before the Sumerians. The term "Tohu va Bohu" in Hebrew implies" and then there was desolation and destruction" instead of all was void and formless in the beginning. we may never truly know some people think the sphinx is over 10,000 tyrs old. going back to a time when egypt was lush with vegitation. Human beings have walked the planet in different forms for a long time who knows what happened before recorded history.

Would you share some of your experiences while manic atumra? I am truly interested in hearing of them since you say they are so similar. I could learn and grow from you as well, so might others.

Peace:)

[hierophant]

some interesting points about ancient middle-eastern mythology made here. nice!

[hobo]

Thanks for the quick reply. I read all of your posts in this forum, how have you been doing recently? I was wondering what your exact outlook on the medication is at this point. I don't know about yourself personally but for me the biggest temptation to stop taking the meds is to get back the unbridled creativity, drive, and alertness I felt when I was hypo manic.

What is this thing we are able to tap into where all of this unbridled energy comes from? You expressed this feeling so perfectly, I think that everyone (myself included) that becomes manic is overcome with unlimited energy and feels so close to God and his power that they feel they are a part of him. I don't think that this is an untrue statement for I do feel we are all God and are all connected to the source that is the ultimate creator.

Some of the things I experienced similar to you.
1. Encounters with the homeless that knew my history and told me things about myself which they could not possibly have known.
2. Communicating with people through telepathy.
3. Being able to speak through parables/ unbridled creativity. (What is it about being able to communicate in rhyme?)
4. Sensing evil spirits and the people they possess.
5. Feeling I was on a mission from God.
6. Doing things without questioning the reason why I was doing them. The overwhelming feeling that this is what I must do no matter the consequences.


My last manic episode occurred when I was living in Hawaii on the island of Oahu. This is a very spiritual place and I was amazed at the connection between the native Hawaiian traditional religion and that of Egypt. There was something about the energy there which was palpable and I truly do believe being so close to fault lines and an active volcano could have contributed to the manic energy which consumed me.


I guess the thing which is so difficult for me right now is just going back to being a "regular member" of society. I think that part of me still feels like I have special abilities and am aware of things the general public can not sense. Because of this, I feel like I am meant to be doing more and I should not halter my spiritual growth and progression by becoming stagnant and plugging into the rat race. Do you have any advice for me on what I should do?

I really want to move back to Hawaii because it is a magical place but I also do not want to cause pain and suffering within my family because they love and care for me so much.

Hope all is well.

Your description concurs 100% with my own experiences of mania.
My take is that mania is an activation of kundalini, but it´s not quite enlightenment , as there is still ego-identification , which results in all the grandiosity and hasty dispositions.

[atumra]

No problem atumra:D any help I can offer you is considered an honor. I read through the text and it is interesting. Is this one of those occasions where you recieved insight in your mania and you found confirmation to your insight later through this document? That happened to me all of the time in my manias and no one believed that i didn't read the materials first or see as in documenteries and the like before hand and my mind digested it and spewed it out. Mind you sometimes i would read an article or watch a program and some kind of switch did turn on and someone on the street would confirm it.

I think these ideas go way farther back than egypt though even before the Sumerians. The term "Tohu va Bohu" in Hebrew implies" and then there was desolation and destruction" instead of all was void and formless in the beginning. we may never truly know some people think the sphinx is over 10,000 tyrs old. going back to a time when egypt was lush with vegitation. Human beings have walked the planet in different forms for a long time who knows what happened before recorded history.

Would you share some of your experiences while manic atumra? I am truly interested in hearing of them since you say they are so similar. I could learn and grow from you as well, so might others.

Peace:)

I will start at the beginning of my first manic episode. Mine I believe was triggered by stress and a big career/life change. I think that the collapse of ones ego and identity is what truly causes the mania to kick in, but that is just my personal opinion I guess.

After riding the initial hypo-manic high for about two weeks and being more productive, goal-orientated and organized then I ever had been in my life something very profound happened to me. I was sitting down in my living room at about 2:30 in the morning and all it took to get me started was a simple google search. I simply typed in "Ra." After clicking to see the images that came up, when I looked at the picture of Ra, I was paralyzed with fear, feeling as I had just seen the image of God. I remember trembling and praying on my hands and knees that I would not be cursed for being unworthy to look at his image.

Very shaken, I went back to the other part of my house and was struck by a work of art I had completed when I was 10 years old. It was a a black and white drawing (one of those which you can scratch off like a lotto game almost) and it was a picture I had drawn of three pyramids and a sun. Seeing this needles to say freaked me out even more. This picture was located on a table directly under a picture of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, and John the baptist (If I find the picture I will post it). I looked around and saw that there was an old arrow head I had also saved from my younger years and after seeing it for the first time, I felt compelled that I had to interact with it and that there was something I was supposed to do.

I placed the rock on the middle of my childhood on the largest pyramid and as soon as I made contact with the picture something occurred which I will never forget in my life. Instantaneously, there was a lightening display, however there was no thunder. To me, it was as if God was directly communicating with me and I felt as if I understood just who God was at the moment. All of the years when I had heard people talking about "seeing the light" suddenly resonated and I simply teared and cried because I felt that God had just chosen me and that it was my job to do whatever task he required of me.

The lightning display was an affirmation for me that Ra was in fact God. I knew very little about Ra, but it did know that the Egyptians had worshiped him as a Sun God and that he could be interpreted as the God of light. For me, a huge paradigm shift occurred- I had never been so scared and aware of God in my life and I was ready to serve him in whatever capacity he chose for me.

I will pause here Passerbye before I continue because the lightening is what reminded me of your experience. I remember you talking about the storm you were able to cause when you were in the city and this would not be my only experience with lightening or storms while I was manic. For me, the lightening was the confirmation of God and to me was just like seeing God in the burning bush. That was how profound and scary it was for me.


Continuing on...I did not know what or where I needed to go, I just knew after witnessing what I just had that for me my time had come. I walked down town and felt that I had to go pray at my Catholic church. By this time looking back, it was the bewitching hour we were talking about, 3am. There was an eery energy that was existent when I was walking downtown (I lived right next to a pretty big town) but I had never felt more empowered or unafraid of the dark in my life for I knew that I now had the power of the light. Walking downtown I cursed the devil and told him that I would do all in my power to defeat him and that I was unafraid of anything he would throw my way because I now knew the true lord. After spirit walking/praying and meditating and probably freaking a few people out with my intensity ;) I felt that it was time for me to make a pilgrimage.

I decided I needed to go to the Holy Land...I will continue with the story when I get back from work tonight I have to run * (As I was leaving I looked at the bottom of the page and there was an add by Nature Made which had the circumpunct and Ra symbol on the far left...pretty trippy, but coincidences like this happened when I was manic that I just accepted that I was chosen and that it was just Ra communicating with me.)

[passerbye999]

Yes so far our experiences are almost identical only to me it was YHYH. That ties into a deep theology pardigm of "I am" and "I am that I am". I am means a lot to me as I serched for "who am I?" for years. Wondering always how I was made in the image or how we were made in the image both male and female in the image of us. Us being Elohim a plural for God, denoting gods. Anyway I am very interested to hear more.

[passerbye999]

My personal enlightenment from actual training coincided with my first mania. My first mania was very mellow and extremely euphoric. The whole thing seemed to be defining who is God and Who was I? The two questions went hand in hand for I had seen into my original nature and discovered the nature of things. All that was left was these two questions and my place among the world for I was at that time truly different and would never be the same again.

I studied the names of God for it was in the names that gave His description and actions toward His people. I converted from christianity to judiasm but still believed Yeshus or Jesus was the messiah. I learned that YHWH means "He is" and when He proclaimed Himself to Moses His covenant name was"Eyeh Asher Eyeh" I am that Iam or I will be who I will be. It was through this image we were created for "We are".

I got even deeper into Ch'an my philosophy of life. Studying it's Buddhist and Taoist roots I came to leran of the Tao. Heaven and Hell are here and now they are inside us and outside of us at all times one need just to be aware that they are there. So I concerned myself with the theories of yin and yang, balance; the five elements, cause and effect; and the I Ching , change. I had spent years learning to flow with the Tao effortlessly. Training meditation and chi kung the things that led to my many smaall and few large satories.

In this mania I was in the middle of a large satori at the same time. I wanted to go deeper into the spiritualality of things. I had removed the bundles(skhsndas) I had peeled myself down to nakedness. I saw this nature in everything and truly believed in God the creator of this perfection. No one believed me though they gave me pills and labeled me bi polar and put me in the hospital for the first time. I was filled with wonder at my experience and scared to be where I was.

I don't blame anyone I had spent my life and deicated it to what was happening. It is just too bad I wasn't born in China. No other manias were like that blessed one. It was my first and greatest. All the rest were more manic. Ch'an helped me stay in control of them. I just felt like sharing that.

Peace:)

[husqer]

What is in the book Knowledge of Higher Worlds... will enable us to be victorious

The second aspect is that during the last century the consciousness of mankind as a whole has crossed unconsciously the Threshold that separates the world of nature grasped by the senses from the spiritual world that, manifests within the human soul. In consequence human thinking, feeling and willing are no longer fully coordinated.

This shows itself in many ways - for example, in increasing mental illness
and the development of psychiatric techniques to handle it;
in the increase of heartless terrorism,
vandalism and drug pushing.

http://www.eleggua.com/Objects/Seddon-End_of_Millenium.html


The Radical Re-Visioning of
Psychology:

In times to come
Human beings will have to exist
The one for the other
And not the one through the other
Thus is reached the world's ultimate aim
That each one is with themselves
And each would give to the other what none would demand.

http://www.anthroposophy.org/fileadmin/nfm/bh-1/being-human-2011-01-ReVisioning-Psychology.pdf

[consciousness]

If atheists/skeptics read the thread title, they would have an absolute field day with jokes etc.

:rolleyes:

[passerbye999]

If atheists/skeptics read the thread title, they would have an absolute field day with jokes etc.

:rolleyes:

That's okay experience is everything if they had a mania they would sing to a different tune and join the thread instead of mocking it. I have seen athiests claim to be Jesus himself.:D

[hierophant]

The Radical Re-Visioning of
Psychology:

In times to come
Human beings will have to exist
The one for the other
And not the one through the other
Thus is reached the world's ultimate aim
That each one is with themselves
And each would give to the other what none would demand.
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nice. i like that quote very much!

[passerbye999]

What is in the book Knowledge of Higher Worlds... will enable us to be victorious

The second aspect is that during the last century the consciousness of mankind as a whole has crossed unconsciously the Threshold that separates the world of nature grasped by the senses from the spiritual world that, manifests within the human soul. In consequence human thinking, feeling and willing are no longer fully coordinated.

This shows itself in many ways - for example, in increasing mental illness
and the development of psychiatric techniques to handle it;
in the increase of heartless terrorism,
vandalism and drug pushing.

http://www.eleggua.com/Objects/Seddon-End_of_Millenium.html


The Radical Re-Visioning of
Psychology:

In times to come
Human beings will have to exist
The one for the other
And not the one through the other
Thus is reached the world's ultimate aim
That each one is with themselves
And each would give to the other what none would demand.

http://www.anthroposophy.org/fileadmin/nfm/bh-1/being-human-2011-01-ReVisioning-Psychology.pdf

This is a good post. I would like to hear more. What is this book knowledge of higher worlds you are talking about? :)

[husqer]

Knowledge of the Higher Worlds
And Its Attainment
by
Rudolf Steiner:

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA010/English/AP1947/GA010_index.html

Here is an Introduction to Steiner by Roy Wilkinson:

http://www.anthroposophy.org.uk/book/introduction.html

[passerbye999]

Knowledge of the Higher Worlds
And Its Attainment
by
Rudolf Steiner:

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA010/English/AP1947/GA010_index.html

Here is an Introduction to Steiner by Roy Wilkinson:

http://www.anthroposophy.org.uk/book/introduction.html

I went to the second link and read it all, it was very imformative. My question is to you yourself. how does this philosophy fit into your life, what does it mean to you? I also have the question as to why you chose this thread to visit? are you bi polar?

I hope you don't mind these questions but I am more interested in your thought than Rudolf Steiner. I agree he sounds like he was a great man but there have been many great men. I move to my own cadence though i do borrow concepts sometimes if they fit into my own personal experiences.

This is not my thread but I hang out here. I hope I am not being intrusive with these questions.

Peace:)