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deathcultreject
02-03-2008, 12:43 AM
In early 2006 in South Wales, the Illuminates of Thanateros posthumously initiated a young man who had hanged himself to death and gave him the new name of 'Frater Photographer'

Most people are not aware that you can join the IOT order by hanging yourself.

Later that year, two particularly sociopathic members bullied and lied their way into adding a ritual of their own to the proceedings of the 'dead to rights campaign' whilst it was active at Pavilan cave in South Wales.

The original intention of the dead to rights campaign was to return grave robbed remains to their original resting place respectfully and with dignity.

Despite protest from people who knew what was going on, the two psychopaths claimed to have talked to 'the spirits of the cave' and been given permission to plant an 'artifact' called 'the red arrow of chaos' in order to recruit more initiates.

From then on there was a spate of suicides and suspicious deaths over South Wales, many deaths were by hanging.

The red arrow of chaos signifies war, and psychological warfare.

It is explained in this quote from Peter J Carrol. (taken from the sacred texts archive)

"RED MAGIC As soon as humanity developed the organisation and weapons technology to defeat its main natural predators and competitors it seems to have applied a fierce selection mechanism to itself in the form of internecine warfare. Many of the qualities we regard as marks of our evolutionary success, such as our opposable thumbs and tool handling abilities, our capacity for communication by sound, our upright posture, and our capacity to give and receive commands and discipline, were almost certainly selected for during millennia of organized armed conflict between human bands. Our morality reflects our bloody history, for whilst it is taboo to attack members of one's own tribe, it remains one's duty to attack foreigners. The only debate is over who constitutes one's own tribe. When enthusiasm for war is limited, we devise sports and games in which to express our aggression. From the whole ethos and terminology of sport it is plain that sport is just war with extra rules. However, it should not be supposed that war is completely without rules. Wars are fought to improve one's bargaining position; in war the enemy group is a resource that one wishes to gain some measure of control over. Wars are fought to intimidate one's adversaries, not to exterminate them. Genocide is not war. The structure and conduct of war reflects the "fight or flight" program built into our sympathetic nervous system. In battle, the aim is to intimidate the enemy out of the fight mode and into flight mode. Thus, assuming there is sufficient parity of force to make a fight seem worthwhile to both parties, morale is the decisive factor in conflict. Indeed, it is the decisive factor in virtually any inter-human competitive, sporting or military encounter. Red magic has two aspects, firstly the invocation of the vitality, aggression, and morale to sustain oneself in any conflict from life in general to outright war, and secondly the conduct of actual combat magic. A variety of god forms exist in which the War-self can be expressed, although hybrid or purely idiosyncratic forms work just as well. Ares, Ishtar, Ogoun, Thor, Mars, Mithras and Horus in particular are often used. Contemporary symbolism should not be neglected. Firearms and explosives are as welcoming to the red gnosis as swords and spears. Drums are virtually indispensable. Sigils drawn in flammable liquids, or indeed whole flaming circles in which to invoke should be considered. Combat magic is usually practised openly with the adversary being publicly threatened and cursed, or finding himself the recipient of an unpleasant looking talisman, spell or rune. The aim is intimidation and control of one's adversary who must therefore be made as paranoid as possible and informed of the origin of the attack. Otherwise combat magic takes the same general form as that used in Entropy Rites, with sigils and servitors carrying auto-destructive information to the target, although with sub-lethal intent. However, the real skill of red magic is to be able to present such an overwhelming glamour of personal vitality, morale and potential for aggression that the exercise of combat magic is never required."

paganus
02-03-2008, 08:58 PM
for some reason reminds me of a case a few years back,when a group attempted the Red Rite.the killing of an individual and the syncronised suicide of one of the operators.the aim being to transfer the soul of the suicide into the body of the deceased victim.this is carried out usually when the operators body is badly damaged,fatally ill.the operation failed with legal ramifications.i belive the Rite was taken from the Liber Null. interesting.

supersanity
03-03-2008, 02:34 AM
for some reason reminds me of a case a few years back,when a group attempted the Red Rite.the killing of an individual and the syncronised suicide of one of the operators.the aim being to transfer the soul of the suicide into the body of the deceased victim.this is carried out usually when the operators body is badly damaged,fatally ill.the operation failed with legal ramifications.i belive the Rite was taken from the Liber Null. interesting.

According to the Liber Null, the Red Rite is simply the reincarnation of a (suicidal) man into his mate's unborn child during pregnancy. It has nothing to do with murder.

On the other hand, the Black Rite involves the transfer of a magician's spirit into another living body. No murder involved here although Carroll suggests that the victim is insane and that the rite not be performed due to the risk of complications.

paganus
03-03-2008, 08:52 AM
According to the Liber Null, the Red Rite is simply the reincarnation of a (suicidal) man into his mate's unborn child during pregnancy. It has nothing to do with murder.

On the other hand, the Black Rite involves the transfer of a magician's spirit into another living body. No murder involved here although Carroll suggests that the victim is insane and that the rite not be performed due to the risk of complications.the Liber Null may well say that.its not what happened in this particular case though!

binhdinh_khiwarrior
03-03-2008, 09:12 AM
white magick is much more effective and powerful....

marpat
03-03-2008, 11:17 AM
In early 2006 in South Wales, the Illuminates of Thanateros posthumously initiated a young man who had hanged himself to death and gave him the new name of 'Frater Photographer'

Most people are not aware that you can join the IOT order by hanging yourself.

Later that year, two particularly sociopathic members bullied and lied their way into adding a ritual of their own to the proceedings of the 'dead to rights campaign' whilst it was active at Pavilan cave in South Wales.

The original intention of the dead to rights campaign was to return grave robbed remains to their original resting place respectfully and with dignity.

Despite protest from people who knew what was going on, the two psychopaths claimed to have talked to 'the spirits of the cave' and been given permission to plant an 'artifact' called 'the red arrow of chaos' in order to recruit more initiates.

From then on there was a spate of suicides and suspicious deaths over South Wales, many deaths were by hanging.

The red arrow of chaos signifies war, and psychological warfare.

It is explained in this quote from Peter J Carrol. (taken from the sacred texts archive)



Where did you get this information?

deathcultreject
03-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Where did you get this information?

I was there.

I was the one who was against the second part.

deathcultreject
03-03-2008, 12:32 PM
white magick is much more effective and powerful....

I'm open to advice.

marpat
03-03-2008, 01:00 PM
I was there.

I was the one who was against the second part.

So you are saying you know these people? if you know who they are and what they have done then why are they not being exposed. Why don't you go to this cave and dig the red arrow up or destroy it?

Is the IoT influenced by bullies? not really a good sign that if members can bully their way into doing what they want.

I am a little curios though. In past posts you stated that you think some group was involved using magic but now you are saying that you are part of this group and know the people involved. You never said you were involved.

deathcultreject
03-03-2008, 02:39 PM
So you are saying you know these people? if you know who they are and what they have done then why are they not being exposed. Why don't you go to this cave and dig the red arrow up or destroy it?

Is the IoT influenced by bullies? not really a good sign that if members can bully their way into doing what they want.

I am a little curios though. In past posts you stated that you think some group was involved using magic but now you are saying that you are part of this group and know the people involved. You never said you were involved.

The cave can only be accessed at low tide twice per year.

How would you go about the exposure?

The IOT public releases make it clear that they have been conned and inflitrated by people with cultish agendas before.

It has happened again, and they do currently have a problem with cultism and bullying.

There is a gang stalking problem in south Wales and it silences people who have pressed charges for sex crimes. The cultish contingent in the IOT have brought some of the gang stalkers psychological tactics into the order with them.

It might not have spread out of Wales, but these problems ARE internal to the IOT in Wales now.

deathcultreject
03-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Here's a recent reply which looks very much like evidence of cultism.

don_gatope <don_gatope@yahoo.com> wrote:
brainwashing or anything else, from my point of view member of the
iot should do anything possible to meet their wants and needs, if it
isnt so, then they would be wating their time and not stimulating the
major goal of the organization, creativity.

Needless to say, if someone's got ptsd and has missing time with it, there's NOTHING creative about persistently attacking them with methods known as 'covert hypnosis'

(which is exactly what hapened in my case)

coshh
05-03-2008, 01:52 PM
Why do you stick around with people who do that to you?

deathcultreject
05-03-2008, 03:30 PM
Why do you stick around with people who do that to you?

I made it very clear that I was against it, and I'd planted sugestions of my own which would make me violent against people who persisted.

They stopped for a while, then they brought a preganant woman 'round and hid behind a chair and started again.

He probably wanted her to miscarry so that he could take up more of the father's time.

Would anyone like that psychopath's name and address?

coshh
05-03-2008, 03:32 PM
then they brought a preganant woman 'round and hid behind a chair and started again.

:confused:

edelweiss pirate
07-03-2008, 08:06 PM
I made it very clear that I was against it, and I'd planted sugestions of my own which would make me violent against people who persisted.

They stopped for a while, then they brought a preganant woman 'round and hid behind a chair and started again.

He probably wanted her to miscarry so that he could take up more of the father's time.

Would anyone like that psychopath's name and address?

A photo will do. PM me.