CHRISTIANITY AND THE SUN - Manly P Hall

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From The secret teaching of all ages - link (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FDSab8rWZScC&dq=the+secret+teaching+of+all+ages&pg=PP1&ots=lYgiQ8746C&sig=NaC28dhKXYTCdPxqPVbvf4gGZq0&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com.au/search?q=The+secret+teaching+of+all+ages&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPP1,M1)

CHRISTIANITY AND THE SUN

For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and
acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The historical
Jesus was forgotten; nearly all the salient incidents recorded in the four Gospels have
their correlations in the movements, phases, or functions of the heavenly bodies.
Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the
beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God, with His golden hair falling upon His shoulders, robed
from head to foot in spotless white and carrying in His arms the Lamb of God, symbolic
of the vernal equinox. This handsome youth is a composite of Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus,
Mithras, and Bacchus, for He has certain characteristics in common with each of these
pagan deities.
The philosophers of Greece and Egypt divided the life of the sun during the year into four
parts; therefore they symbolized the Solar Man by four different figures. When He was
born in the winter solstice, the Sun God was symbolized as a dependent infant who in
some mysterious manner had managed to escape the Powers of Darkness seeking to
destroy Him while He was still in the cradle of winter. The sun, being weak at this season
of the year, had no golden rays (or locks of hair), but the survival of the light through the
darkness of winter was symbolized by one tiny hair which alone adorned the head of the
Celestial Child. (As the birth of the sun took place in Capricorn, it was often represented
as being suckled by a goat.)
At the vernal equinox, the sun had grown to be a beautiful youth. His golden hair hung in
ringlets on his shoulders and his light, as Schiller said, extended to all parts of infinity. At
the summer solstice, the sun became a strong man, heavily bearded, who, in the prime of
maturity, symbolized the fact that Nature at this period of the year is strongest and most
fecund. At the autumnal equinox, the sun was pictured as an aged man, shuffling along
with bended back and whitened locks into the oblivion of winter darkness. Thus, twelve
months were assigned to the sun as the length of its life. During this period it circled the
twelve signs of the zodiac in a magnificent triumphal march. When fall came, it entered,
like Samson, into the house of Delilah (Virgo), where its rays were cut off and it lost its
strength. In Masonry, the cruel winter months are symbolized by three murderers who
sought to destroy the God of Light and Truth.
The coming of the sun was hailed with joy; the time of its departure was viewed as a
period to be set aside for sorrow and unhappiness. This glorious, radiant orb of day, the
true light "which lighteth every man who cometh into the world," the supreme
benefactor, who raised all things from the dead, who fed the hungry multitudes, who
stilled the tempest, who after dying rose again and restored all things to life--this
Supreme Spirit of humanitarianism and philanthropy is known to Christendom as Christ,
the Redeemer of worlds, the Only Begotten of The Father, the Word made Flesh, and the
Hope of Glory.

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What's your point? -- that all parts reflect the whole? That the macro-cosm journey of the universe is represented in the micro-cosm journey of the man. Good point then.

In other words, the human life cyle itself may be reflected in the solar year. Your life and my life has it's seasons. Poets have written about it.. Or man matures and of couse Old age, which is his Fall and Winter (Preperation for death and new life).. So what's your point?

actually I think I see where you are going with it. "If the Jesus story can be said to represent the Solar year, then the Jesus story is untrue".-- "People made up the Jesus story to reflect already held beliefs". Am I right about that? But those "beliefs" held, may have a basis in reality (as already shown).. And if that is true,, then by the law of holographic reality any true story would have these similar characteristics. Do you see that?

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actually I think I see where you are going with it.
I'm not going anywhere with it, it's just information.

What you do or don't do with it is up to you..:)

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all parts reflect the whole? That the macro-cosm journey of the universe is represented in the micro-cosm journey of the man. Good point then.

In other words, the human life cyle itself may be reflected in the solar year. Your life and my life has it's seasons. Poets have written about it.. Or man matures and of couse Old age, which is his Fall and Winter (Preperation for death and new life).
As above so below, good observation..

I'm not sure whether Christ existed or not, but the author talks about the story of Jesus being metamorphosed in to a Solar deity, he's not saying that he didn't exist at all, but that Christianity at some point became fused with paganism..

For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and
acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The historical
Jesus was forgotten

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I'm no great dunce. I read your post. You are mixing facts with opinions and half truths.. speculations.. Ie...

"to metamorphose him into a solar deity." - the term implies a manipulation.

"The historical Jesus was forgotten"... by whom?

-- The coming of the sun was hailed with joy; the time of its departure was viewed as a eriod to be set aside for sorrow and unhappiness. This glorious, radiant orb of day, thetrue light "which lighteth every man who cometh into the world," the supreme enefactor, who raised all things from the dead, who fed the hungry multitudes,etc...this Supreme Spirit of humanitarianism and philanthropy is known to Christendom as Christ, he Redeemer of worlds, the Only Begotten of The Father, the Word made Flesh, and theHope of Glory. --- Crude connections there and leading conclusions, if you ask me.

So to say that you had nothing in mind by making the post, leads me to question your verasity. Like you don't have an opinion about Christianity. From reading your post, I gather you have definite opinions about Christianity. Like I said, I'm no great dunce - or, you can't con me. "Just information" as you say; no way.

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You composed your third post, while I was composing mine. So, now you are saying that your original post is a quote from some other person? Is that what you are saying.? If so, that other writer is either taken out of context or is not Manly P Hall.

Then you say: fused with paganism. -- shows what you are thinking. You could say "reflected natural order of the universe", just as well. The original post never mentions "paganism".

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So, now you are saying that your original post is a quote from some other person? Is that what you are saying.? If so, that other writer is either taken out of context or is not Manly P Hall.

Yes thats what I'm saying,

You can view the original page from the book here..
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FDSab8rWZScC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=for+reasons+which+they+doubtless+considered+suf ficient+those+who+chronicled+the+life+and&source=web&ots=lYgiR5246C&sig=XDS641TJql2A90m3bX2VrdhUn8Y&hl=en

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Then you say: fused with paganism. -- shows what you are thinking. You could say "reflected natural order of the universe", just as well. The original post never mentions "paganism".
Yes it does..
Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God

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You could have said that it was a quote to begin with. That would have made a big difference. I'm not bothering to read the source. Anybody who uses the term "pagan antiquieties" isn't worth reading.

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From The secret teaching of all ages - link (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=FDSab8rWZScC&dq=the+secret+teaching+of+all+ages&pg=PP1&ots=lYgiQ8746C&sig=NaC28dhKXYTCdPxqPVbvf4gGZq0&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com.au/search?q=The+secret+teaching+of+all+ages&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPP1,M1)

I'm sorry I wasn't more specific..

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Well, since you mentioned that it is a M.P.H quote, I did check it out, but found that the site was not to that particular quote, but an entire book. So I'll take your word for it.

-- He wrote this qoute here when he was quite young, and it was a long time ago. The word Paganism used here, means Roman mythic Gods I believe? But other's use it to mean "Country Folk ways".. I use it to mean something else entirely. But I still don't know why you would take some short statement out of an entire book on deep esoteric subjects and post it. -- out of context, and with no commentary. Unless you were trying to make some point.

Oh well, it's getting late (after 1200 am, here), and I'm going to turn off the computer.

[armoured_amazon]

And again, an author manages to trick you into believing that institutional Christianity is/was of God. :rolleyes:

[razed1]

And again, an author manages to trick you into believing that institutional Christianity is/was of God. :rolleyes:

how do you come to this conclusion about manley hall?

[octopusrex]

Roman Jesus = Apollo.

My opinion.

[razed1]

i disagree with anybody saying there was a human jesus walking the earth doin the things they say he did

ppl need to break out of this shell, thinking somebody is more closer to THE 'god' than anybody else

this is the severest of mind control

i see this with all of the modern religions

christians of course have their jesus,

musselmans have mohammed, who of course theyll be the first ones to tell you hes not god himself, but a messenger, whatever the case may be, theyll still tell you that mohammed needs to be 'praised' (praise be unto him)

yea well its only a person who is void of self acceptance and ego minded that NEEDS praise in the first place, a buddha would never need praise,

this should let muslims get an idea of the foundations of their prison religion are based on ego worship and have a looooong way to go to break out of the mental shell

even ras-tafarians 'worship' haile salassie, who was a bloodline monarch himself, even if this person was all nice and dandy, but to elevate this person to goodhood like the christians have done is folly imo



so i hope ppl realize that mind control is not just how you might think in terms of cia, cathy obrien, manchurian candidate

but rather we must break out of the mind control that our fore fathers were exposed to hundreds of years ago




lets peel this thing like a onion, a layer at a time, on your OWN personal time and focus, forget about making posts on forums asking ppl on how, just do it on your own private time

[razed1]

and what does all this have to do with the sun and heavenly worship

im not saying "worship" is wrong

worship is neccesarry for a healthy and sanitized consciousness, in our current mindset, we need a point of reference to focus our praise/love/appreciation for the heavenly

theres a whole 'inanimate' world of nature around you that never asks for any sacrifice, or praise and bowing down

but yet all you need to eat and survive is provided by nature



so "solar" worship and the earth moon and stars. isnt just some arbitrary concept the ancients did,

its because they understood the processes of nature and how these processes are present in the mental spiritual lives of human beings and all things on earth and in the heavens


the fun part of our awakening is REdiscovering the symbotic relationship we have with the "external" world

[synergy777]

see there are two jesus's, the one which is a fusion of man/teacher that lived and mystery/solar symbolism.

i believe the man existed, i do not believe the solar symbolism such as being born on the 25th/solar-sol invictus, i do not believe he walked on water/again solar symbolism.

i do not believe he was divinely conceived.

i believe yashuah to be a normal person like us, who aceheived enlightenment and developed his spiritual/mental powers, which is what the cult members like optimus think icke can do.

yashuah never said he was the only son of god, he said we are all the creators/fathers children, thus if the source/creator created us all, what does that make us. our spirit is from the source/creator, our bodies from our parents.

optimus i have read all ickes books, but unlike you i do not follow blindly and i use ickes work as a foundation not the complete answer. i studied all of the data.

icke belives brian desbrough, as in that "whites are from mars", lol

he doesn't even see that aryans are people who follow the vedic life eg compassionate living, veget-arian diet, aryuvedic/holistic medicine, yoga etc. thus anyone who follows the vedic culture is an aryan, from celtic druids, nordic warriors, to indian priests etc.

i have shown that africans, asians, europeans are all one race, i provided dna articles, cultural articles etc.

if icke can know this stuff about matrix/maya/illusion, then he is not the first or the last. people for thousands of years have talked about maya-illusion-matrix, buddha, krishna, yashuah did.

even einstein and huygens showed reality to be a illusion, as in not solid, real but not solid. its the wave/particle duality coupled with electric universe-tesla/holographic construction and finally the observer effect.

its science not some icke monopoly.

so when you say jesus, differentiate between the teacher and the roman/nicene creed product, or is selective recognition your modus operandi?

also as to what i believe or follow, you haven't got a clue bro.

why doesn't icke explain the yashuah, the teacher/rabbi, friend of the poor/oppresssed, rebel/anti establishment. a true revolutionary who even flavius josephus described. explain the sicarri/daggers the zealots who fought against roman/foreign occupation, how time repeats, lol

yashuah today would be labelled a terrorist/insurgent/freedom fighter

research history, religion, science critically analyse, be objective, disprove everything, whats left will be as close to the truth as you can get. be scientific not a fan.

as yashuah said test them by their fruits, ie test the actions, the data, observe/analyse.

as for the old imagination theory/matrix, the could stretch to you, me, and icke etc, so again it falls down.

the aliens/reptiles/feathered serpents/dragons, you and icke speak off, they are in the bible and other religous texts, they are the fallen angels/annunaki, who came from heaven/space.

look at constellations, orion, alpha draconis, pleiades, sirius etc.

the matrix they have us trapped us is symbolic, its spiritual/scientific ignorance.

they keep us in the view we are merely biological beings who live once on earth and thats it, its a symbolic concept.

also not all christians are demonic/evil. what about the good christians who do aid work, help the homeless, help the palestinians, help people in the thrid world etc.

when you do as much good as they do, then judge,

i also reccomend these two books.

the two babylons by alexander hislop and the broken cross by piers compton.

[drakul]

Clearly SYNERGY 777 is one of the most balanced thinkers on this site. His voice comes across so much more indepth and clearly than those (like Razed) constantly screaming -`DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS CRAP'.


It is important to note that the author of the subject article of this thread - Manly P Hall ,was a 33rd degree FREE MASON = ILLUMINATI. Read Albert Pike - `that infamous GOD of Freemasonry' (D. Icke). Pike was an avowed Luciferian. Pike claimed in his BIBLE of Freemasonry - `Morals and Dogma' that the GOD of Freemasonry IS LUCIFER.

Acharya frequently quotes Pike in `The Christ Conspiracy', as do many Masonic authors in their `Jesus Christ is just a load of crap' books.

[bigus_dickus]

the Sun is our star and it's one of the trillions of stars that now exist in the universe. it is an average size star in the middle of its life. the Sun, as every other star, gets born, lives and dies, like all living beings do. so, the Sun is not the God that christianity talks about. moreover, worshiping the Sun, is nothing more than making sacrifices to the Sun, so that the Sun keeps being close and giving his light, which is stupid any way you look at it. even if the Sun was God, why would he do as i desire? if i could control God, i would be superior to God, so it doesn't make any sense at all. christianity is about life and about living life as a human with unconditional love, like the Sun lives doing what he does, giving out his life and light without listening to any of us.

[drakul]

so "solar" worship and the earth moon and stars. isnt just some arbitrary concept the ancients did,

its because they understood the processes of nature and how these processes are present in the mental spiritual lives of human beings and all things on earth and in the heavens




Sun worship by the ancients was deeply degenerate because it nearly always required BLOOD SACRIFICE.

Blood sacrifice along with the gladiatorial games (human sacrifice) was BANNED by Christianity in 325AD. Why? Because the ancient Christians believed that blood sacrifice was an attempt to connect with DEMONIC ENTITIES. They were right.

[razed1]

Sun worship by the ancients was deeply degenerate because it nearly always required BLOOD SACRIFICE.

Blood sacrifice along with the gladiatorial games (human sacrifice) was BANNED by Christianity in 325AD. Why? Because the ancient Christians believed that blood sacrifice was an attempt to connect with DEMONIC ENTITIES. They were right.

this is a total false assumption

blood sacrifice was introduced when the illuminati tentacles took over these religions, which was later on in the religions existence,


whats funny about what you said is, you are trying to denounce sun worship because you claim they always required blood sacrifices

and at the same time, you will defend chrisitianity and beleive in this "Jesus" man who "died for all the sins of mankind"

well thats a blood sacrifice right there!!!

JESUS was sacrificed for all the sins of mankind

this god of the Christians AND Muslims, isnt a god that I myself would worhship

this god requires blood sacrifice, and to me that is NO god at all

according to Muslim story, this same god asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, and the devil appeared 3 times, telling abraham NOT to sacrifice his son, but the brainwashed Abraham still continued and was about to kill his OWN SON

when the 'angel Gabriel' appeared and switched abrahams son with a ram

and Abraham went on and sacrificed the ram


see unlike you , i dont beleive that the grand creator of the universe requires ANY kind of blood sacrifice


heck, the ONLY entity that speaks a message of truth in BOTH the christian and muslim religions, is this "satan" that you hate so much

this satan, told ever and adam to get out of this prison control, this garden of eden,

and this same satan told this guy abraham not to sacrifice his son


what kind of foolish ppl are you, especially you "Drakul" who dencounces 'sun worship' for bloody sacrifice

when the very PRISON religions that you defend here, are BASED on this very concept of blood sacrifice


and too ALL the BRAINWASHED MUSLIMS out there

why is it necessary, when muslim are on their "HAAJ" their so called holy pilgrimage to the "holy" site of mecca, (which is a temple to SATURN) that they feel its necessary to sacrifice rams

around 800,000 rams get slaughtered per day or something like that!!!

all that blood of INNOCENT creatures (rams) get spilt all because these ppl are brainwashed to think that the god of the universe, who created that life in the first btw, now wants you to take that life


everytime you consume HALAL meat, what is laughingly called "clean" , that is a blood sacrifice done to demonic entities,

same thing for christians, kosher meat, or even any kind of flesh thats eaten, unless its a life/death situation, any meat you take in , is a demonic act you are doing,



so NO

there was NO "jesus", get on with it, keeep it movin,

only reason you require to have a jesus, or yashuah in your understanding of what "god" is, is because you are not perceiving this god force in its proper entirety

you are beleiving in a CONCEPT of god that the ENEMY has brainwashed you into, this concept is only that, a CONCEPT of god

nothing to do with the REAL WORLD out there