Is the LOA the greatest mind-control scam?

[king crass]

That's it? Just a short blurb about someone saying it's cointelpro that doesnt even try to logically refute the claims made about the attraction factor? Come on!

[drael]

FYI next month they are releasing a new movie, book etc that basically goes back on the materialist spin and focuses on things like world peace..called "the moses code". May have just been a hook all along to get materialists into spirit. If so, quite a cool trick.

[skylark]

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.

hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa! !!!!! it's called The Law of Attraction!

[logan 5]

There are times I think the LOA is working for me when I am thinking positive about things that I am wanting, like material things. Then, there are times when I am in doubt about the whole process. But when I doubt, then I am not being positive and start thinking about what I do not want..thereby keeping myself from manifesting the things I do want.

I know people whom I consider to be lucky. Good money job, looks, things just go right for some people, and i think...maybe this is the LOA at work. Like attract like. If the LOA were true..then EVERYTHING that manifests into our lives is because we've attracted it with our thinking and our vibration.

I know someone who plays the slot machines and bingo and always seems to win more than they lose. Is this the LOA at work? Or is she just lucky? More people lose money then win..how is she able to buck the odds?

Maybe this LOA stuff is all mind control propaganda promoted by the powers that be to turn off to all the awful stuff going on around the globe by focusing in on just the things you are personally manifesting in your life. Just like the whole war in Iraq thing..forget about all those troops getting killed over there..just focus on the things you want. It seems kinda selfish to me..but I think one needs to be selfish to a certain extent in life. So I don't know.

I'll let you know if I win any lottery jackpots.

[red_ram]

It seems to be working for me.

2008 has been a vintage year already so far. My mental state has never been more positive, and as a result I'm finally ending up with what I've always wanted.

[matt d]

this is a very intersting thread. i have seen the LOA working for me .
but i do think about the way it can be used by them to get us to comply with them . energy goes where attention goes.
I have often thought about CIA mind control (voices in the head)
and channelled material ,is there a link?
Also what really got me thinking was when i read CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD
book 2 channelled by NEALE dOnald walsch . "GOD "praises Bush snr and the NEW WORLD ORDER . He says Bush will remembered as a great man for
pushing the NWO forward . The books are great but something struck me after reading that.

[skylark]

Also what really got me thinking was when i read CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD
book 2 channelled by NEALE dOnald walsch . "GOD "praises Bush snr and the NEW WORLD ORDER . He says Bush will remembered as a great man for
pushing the NWO forward . The books are great but something struck me after reading that.

yes i've read all three--the first one...no words can do it justice...it's incredible isn't it? but then, in the 2nd i think clinton is a 'lightworker' and God is saying you should cap the annual income at $30,000,000 and one world govt and all that and i'm like whooooo wait a minute WTF??? it's as if 'God' bows out and 'the devil' fills his place...

[cafe beelzebub]

It has worked very well for me many many times.

[skylark]

It has worked very well for me many many times.


it's a natural law whether or not ppl 'believe' in it; and those who don't consciously acknowledge it and recognise, as Icke has said that "your thoughts create your reality", will be at its mercy believing that events happen to them randomly...'all' that's in our lives was invited in by us--that's a very powerful but simple truth and more and more ppl are waking up to it...

[robby]

HI

Just been reading through this thread and enjoyed everyone’s comments, we all do have beautiful minds that create amazing thoughts and experiences.

As for me LOA does work as I have been experimenting with it since 1998 based on the quotes below.


Quote: Our reality is masked as a medium for growth, and what we’re growing is our will, which when aligned with a given thought centre, allows that thought centre to manifest it’s will, in our reality to the extent we are in alignment and can be amplified.

Quote: Application of will via knowledge, to choices produces frequency resonance vibrations in the consciousness, which can then manifest in the experience of the person.

:D

[empyblessing]

I want money. How do I manifest that? I want cold, hard (why is hard used to describe money), stinky, sweaty, greasy, money. If you're Attracting anything else it's just an offshoot of what money can buy. Money can't buy love? The blonde on the corner with the fishnet stockings begs to differ.

The LOA sounds like it gives you everything that Jesus doesn't.

[cyberdaemon]

I want money. How do I manifest that? I want cold, hard (why is hard used to describe money), stinky, sweaty, greasy, money. If you're Attracting anything else it's just an offshoot of what money can buy. Money can't buy love? The blonde on the corner with the fishnet stockings begs to differ.

The LOA sounds like it gives you everything that Jesus doesn't.

They both give you nothing...

[mariag]

Exist just as the Law of Karma and other laws of the universe. It is a form of Magnetism ,an electric vibrational magnetism that you can control with postivity or negativity if you choose. It is simple , it creates vibrations of energy and attracts what you want. I do not think it is a con or a scam. I believe it was a secret that some knew and now more and more are beginning to learn thanks to the awakening.

[mariag]

That it depends on who is using this LOA .If it is good or bad , that depends on who is using it and for what purpose.

[eyepod]

Is the movie a scam? I think so - just a nice well timed little money spinner. Is there some truth in what they're trying to flog us - maybe...But I wouldn't spend much time on their ideas.

But they just trying to help mankind...:rolleyes:

The most interesting (and funny) thing about this was an article in the NY Times. The makers are pulling fast ones / suing each other in a desperate bid to get their dirty little paws on the esitmated $300 million revenunes. They must of have used their minds eye to attract lots of cash but forgot about warding off lawyers :p

The Word Is Out on Legal Tussles Among Creators of ‘The Secret’

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/arts/26secr.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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By ALLEN SALKIN
Published: April 26, 2008

The secret does not seem to have brought happiness to some of those involved in the creation of “The Secret.” But perhaps high-priced lawyers will help.

This popular straight-to-video movie, and the best-selling self-help book based on it, promise that adherents to its philosophy will receive “unlimited happiness, love, health and prosperity,” according to the official Web site, thesecret.tv. All they need do is follow “the law of attraction,” an ancient principle that holds that the universe will make your wishes come true if only you really, truly believe in them. Following that creed before the movie’s release in 2006, Rhonda Byrne, the project’s creator, held parties celebrating its success, envisioning worldwide acclaim.

Nasty legal squabbling is most likely not what Ms. Byrne wished for. But it has nevertheless come to her: the director of the movie and the developer of the “Secret” Web site are separately claiming she has reneged on promises of a cut of the project’s profits.

On Monday the movie’s director, Drew Heriot, filed a copyright suit in United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division, against Ms. Byrne and her production company. The suit claims that Mr. Heriot is the co-author of the screenplay and the book and is therefore entitled to up to half of what his lawyers estimate as $300 million in “Secret” revenue.

Originally scheduled to have its premiere on Australian television, “The Secret” turned into a Web and publishing phenomenon. At one point the “Secret” Web site was selling as many as five movies a minute (either as downloads or DVDs), according to legal papers. The book version has spent 66 weeks on The New York Times’s Advice best seller list, mostly near the top. Oprah Winfrey devoted two shows to it.

The suit alleges that Mr. Heriot worked on the screenplay, conducted most of the interviews for the film and supervised its editing and postproduction. The book, much of it a transcription of the movie, is based on documents Mr. Heriot created, the suit alleges.

Because he was an independent contractor and not an employee of Ms. Byrne’s production company, Mr. Heriot retained rights to his creations, and Ms. Byrne promised him a percentage of profits, the suit argues.

Mr. Heriot wanted to make it clear that the problem wasn’t his lack of faith in the ancient mysteries. “To all who have been inspired by ‘The Secret,’ ” he said in a prepared statement sent by e-mail through his law firm, “please know that I am not suing the universal principles of ‘The Secret.’ Rather, I am suing the corporate principals behind ‘The Secret,’ who promised at the outset that profits would be shared, and who have not kept faith with ‘The Secret’ ’s tenets of gratitude and integrity.”

Karina Carretero, a spokeswoman for TS Production L.L.C., the company Ms. Byrne and Robert E. Rainone Jr., an investor, had registered in Hungary, said the organization would not comment for this article. “ ‘The Secret’ chooses not to participate in media interviews,” she said in an e-mail message.

The legal wrangling over the project began in July 2007, when TS Production applied for the United States copyright to the “Secret” movie and spinoffs. The next month Mr. Heriot applied for copyright to “The Secret,” claiming authorship of the movie and the screenplay.

Soon after that, TS Production filed suit in the Australian courts. Both Mr. Heriot and Ms. Byrne are Australian, and they began working on projects together around 2000. That’s when Ms. Byrne, then a television producer, contracted with Mr. Heriot’s production company for his services as an editor on “Australia Behaving Badly,” a “Candid Camera”-style series.

In the Australian courts, TS Production has asked to be declared owner of all copyrights to the book and movie “The Secret.”

Mr. Heriot, the court papers argue, “directed the film under the terms of his employment under a contract of service” with Ms. Byrne’s company and is not entitled to any copyrights.

After filing suit in the United States, Mr. Heriot’s lawyers filed a motion in the Federal Court of Australia, Victoria District Registry, notifying it that he had started litigation in the United States, the country where the copyright registrations had been filed, and asking it to postpone or dismiss its version of the case on jurisdictional grounds.

In its various forms, “The Secret” makes life look simple. “Ask, believe, receive,” the movie instructs. Legal fights are not always so straightforward. Ms. Byrne herself is scheduled to be deposed May 6 in Los Angeles in a separate case involving Dan Hollings, who helped develop the ”Secret” Web site.

In that case, TS Production and a related company, TS Merchandising, charge that Mr. Hollings has tried to profit illegally from his association with the project by releasing two CDs, “The Secret Symphony” and “Journey to the Secret: Stone, Strings & Udu.” Using his expertise in search-engine optimization, the suit charges, Mr. Hollings drove Internet traffic to the Amazon.com Web pages where his CDs were for sale and to his own “Secret” look-alike site, know-more-secrets.com.

Mr. Hollings’s lawyer Christopher E. Parker said in a telephone interview that Ms. Byrne and Mr. Rainone filed the lawsuit against Mr. Hollings only after an attempted mediation over compensation related to the official “Secret” Web site failed.

“Dan was promised a percentage of the profits that came as a result of the Web site,” Mr. Parker said. “As soon as the movie started to sell, they fired him.”

In mediation, Mr. Hollings had been offered a six-figure settlement but rejected it because he is owed 10 times that, Mr. Parker said.

In the lawsuit against Mr. Hollings, the TS principals argue that his actions continue to interfere with their business, and they ask the court to declare that they owe him nothing more.

The battle over proceeds seems a far cry from the munificent spirit Ms. Byrne espoused as her movie was first entering the self-help pantheon. In an interview conducted for The Times on the beach in Santa Monica in February 2007, she recalled how she had mortgaged everything she owned to finance the movie because she wanted to give the knowledge it contained to the world. Success was never about profit, she said, but about the journey of discovering what she was intended to do with her life.

“One of the big things in discovering the secret,” she said, “was discovering me.”

[empyblessing]

Whatever it is, this is being pushed HARD by the culture builders (freemasons) which warrants a lot of suspicion. Because it's both being accepted and pumped into mainstream consciousness I'd argue that it does hold some validity otherwise it'd most likely be rejected. Just as with many symbols and definitions, there are levels of understanding. The mainstream work, such as The Secret, being much akin to one of the Blue Degrees understanding of Freemasonry. Some investigation may reveal the true nature of the Law of Attraction though the path is undoubtedly strewn with liars and the ignorant.

I have a belief of where it would lead, a higher understanding of the concept, yet there is probably an even greater grasp of the knowledge which is no doubt being used by the elite.

[popeye11]

I don't know yet. I've been trying to get it right for about five years now or at least figure it out. I would love for these universal laws to work and it would make me feel less helpless. I could create my own reality if I could only figure out how. They say we already are, but perhaps not to our liking. I won't give up.

[seanx]

empyblessing wrote:

I want money. How do I manifest that? I want cold, hard (why is hard used to describe money), stinky, sweaty, greasy, money. If you're Attracting anything else it's just an offshoot of what money can buy. Money can't buy love? The blonde on the corner with the fishnet stockings begs to differ.

Yes, but the blonde on the corner will recognize energy.

She will be able to sense if you're a man of energy or a victim
of energy, of circumtance.

Women have a sixth sense - they do actually know..

So when you're with a woman, it's not your words, or your actions
that influence her but your presence.

Not your eyes, but what's behind your eyes.

Not your words,but what's behind your words.

Not your actions, but what's behind your actions.

They are not like us men, they really are a completely different
consciousness. They are night to our day. Summer to our winter.


popeye11 wrote:

don't know yet. I've been trying to get it right for about five years now or at least figure it out. I would love for these universal laws to work and it would make me feel less helpless. I could create my own reality if I could only figure out how. They say we already are, but perhaps not to our liking. I won't give up.

Can I give some advice.

The secret lies not in your thoughts - but in how you FEEL.

Get the FEELING of abundance, of success in your body first
and then the rest will automatically follow.

Can I reccommend Stuart Wilde - the secret to money is having some
and all the books from Abraham by Jerry and Esther Hicks.

Action is important but it is secondary.

If you get your feelings- your vibration right, the proper,right
and INSPIRED ACTION will automatically follow.

That's waht I learned - after wasting many years!

The Key is how you feel.

[empyblessing]

empyblessing wrote:



Yes, but the blonde on the corner will recognize energy.

She will be able to sense if you're a man of energy or a victim
of energy, of circumtance.

Women have a sixth sense - they do actually know..

So when you're with a woman, it's not your words, or your actions
that influence her but your presence.

Not your eyes, but what's behind your eyes.

Not your words,but what's behind your words.

Not your actions, but what's behind your actions.

They are not like us men, they really are a completely different
consciousness. They are night to our day. Summer to our winter.


They know? They recognize energy? Women are chiefly lead by emotion. They feel first and then think. They are easily deceived and easily lead. This is why 80% of commercials are targeted toward women. Easy pickings.

[popeye11]

Thanks seanx! I will do this and see what happens. I read Abraham-Hicks and so I assume the idea is to work your way up the emotional scale so that you won't attract crappy things because you are feeling crappy. :)

[conscience]

It works for me almost like a miracle. Not everytime and in a predicted way but it works.

At the other hand, it's a marketing hype. A new attempt to control human mind presenting exagerated, carefully worded version of the LOA as they did before using other belief systems.

Everything has two meanings. If I can see the other way, even my weakness becomes my strength.

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the LOA doesn't mean that everything will be how I want them to be. It's all about seeing the best possibilities and being ready to experience the possibilities I've never dreamt of.

Intelligence is required to utilize the LOA. More intelligence, more attracted realities, negative or positive.


I know, if the enemy is equipped with all the material and spiritual warheads and coming after me, the LOA seems like a false promise but I refuse to use guns as I know hate will give birth more hate and make my life miserable. I believe in my and your intelligence. I prefer keep loving as long as I can maintain.

[noobcybot]

The law of attraction exists in this reality and others because it is the driving force of existence. It the the concept of Yin and Yang at work. How this might relate to something like the secret is that our full interdimensional consciousness has a zero point which is buried in the subconscious of our incarnations here on earth (the burst of white light and ecstacy that some reach through meditation, astral projection, rituals, use of drugs etc...).
We know and all psychologists will agree that we can implant memories into our subconscious by certain methods. This is where this mistaken idea that this is just about convincing your subconcious mind to make you act in more posative ways, more activley trying to reach your goal comes in. Modern psychologists do not make the link between the zero point consciousness that satanists, tibetan monks, shamen and others have attempted reaching for years and the subconsciouss mind.
This is why those who are illuminated make sigils all the time, sentances of their will made into simple pictures and even more simplified diagrams to remember easily in the subconscious, then they symbolically burn or bury the medium the sigil was on and try to completely forget about it so it can enter the subconcious and enter the zero-point consciousness of creation and effect this reality.
The law of attraction is relative in its literal term here because these things asked for have a karmic like quality which is the interaction between posative and negative forces.

[heartworkk3xx]

it isn't the law of attraction i have a problem with, it's the way it's presented. it plays counter to the movement of infinite love. emphasizing stroking the ego rather than freeing the soul. the concentration falls apon "me, me, me." "if it's not in my reality then it can't effect me." it neglects the "we" and causes in cases self-absorbtion. LOA isn't marketed to impact one's reality to suit the entire oneness it fragments the oneness by self-gratification. I don't feel it's "coincidence" at all.

[jayelowell]

this sticky is a has been...

[lordzoma]

The Law of Attraction absolutely exists.

There is a difference however between what that means

and the presumption that you can create physical reality and manifest it with thought.

You can only truly create reality in 4d and higher, but you can make small changes on the 3d level.

The MAIN POINT of this - is that you CANNOT change the game using the law of attraction. Try as you like, all the positive thinking will not change the outcome of the 'game' taking place on a global level. For every positive thought and positive effort you put into the world, there will be an equal and opposite negative reaction.

Focusing on positives and negatives is playing the game, anyway, and if you want to spiral out, focusing on observer status, and taking a step back from wanting to make a difference, is essential.

[xpleet]

I support the original meaning of this thread :cool:

[novymir]

Lately there seems to be a huge interest in LOA (Law of Attraction). There are even people who make such fluffy statements as if we all focus on the positive all the bad stuff will magically disappear from our world. Not only is this naive but giving people a warped version of reality.

I am beginning to think that the LOA is the biggest con being manufactured to keep people in denial whilst brainwashing them into thinking that none of the negative stuff really exists or that there is in fact no out there.

Funnily enough most of the people I have met who have waffled on about the LOA or The Secret don't even understand fully the mechanics of know how the whole thing works or haven't actually manifested anything significant instead preferring to manifest abundance or some other self-centered desire.
Yes and no. It is a corrupted version. It does essentially encourage one to ignore or deny so-called "negative" things( like unpleasant truths).
I believe critical mass is what manifests our collective reality, and individual thought creates our individual reality within the bounds of the collective one. But these thoughts have to take into account(awareness) of what the current "reality" IS, in it's entirety, because a distorted perception of what IS will lead to a distorted manifestation of what will BE. A distorted reality defined as a manifestation that is not in alignment with TRUTH. As defined by that which does not conflict with the Creative Spirit of Truth-Love-Forgiveness=LIFE. If such is the case, the "rules" are invalid, and go against the One True Authority, then rejection/correction is necessary.
That does not mean we are the start and end of Creation, just a part of it.

[seamus]

I've been studying Bashar, Esther Hicks, Eckhart Tolle lately and I find the best (only) way to deal with "unpleasant truths" is to accept them fully and without judging oneself or another person. Forgive all for making bad decisions, and regard the whole thing as a learning experience, which is exactly what it was. That is the greater truth behind "unpleasant truths".

For things like Death and Taxes, we can just realize that those systems are losing their hold of fear on us, as we begin to transcend the concept of Money. Even real money (gold) has limited real value. I mean, yeah, you can eat monoatomic gold, but there's plenty available for that. Beyond that, what's the use of it, besides to use in electronics?

[kingmonkey]

Simple. If you think negatively, you act negatively. you act negatively, it effects others and spreads. same applies to thinking positively... which one would you rather spread??

Negativity is needed by the universe but it's out of balance. There's too much of it due to the unnatural "nature" of the modern world.

[thirdwave]

the thing that gets me....

check this out...

there is NO evidence WHAT'S SO EVER, that anyone else is truly concious apart from your self.


they could all be creations of your own powerful imagination.... and products of your mind, in fact we don't even know the people we don't see with out own eyes (mind) exist while we are not seeing them.

..

"oh, no that's not true, because if my mate leaves and goes around the block and my other mate passes him on the way and tells me she saw him, then he must be there?"

No!... because you may have still created the person who has informed you.

:)

[kingmonkey]

That's some fucked up shit!!

[branjo]

I think people read too much into the mechanism of mind control or the like. You can only percieve the reality around you based on your particular mood. A lot of people in this thread are letting their view become pessimistic as opposed to optimistic, basically neither are wrong if you believe it to be the way it is, but "for you and only you".

Someone made a post saying as long as you think "Me" and not "We" then a selfish act or thought is never going to bring you to a point of clarity about anything, I agree. The Law of attraction is not all about asking for something you find pleasurable its is solely based on the honesty of your intentions. You can ask for a Million Dollars but deep down you know money won't solve anything rather than postpone the questions we inevitably ask ourselves, like "Am I a decent person" or "Why am I not happy or content". This is the same as saying to a person who craves a relationship "You'll find love when you stop looking for it".

Until you get your ego in check and realize that your entire reality is based purely on the agreement of those around you then you can understand that by surrounding yourself by decent respectful and honorable people you can attract all the positive things you want in life if they are truly "wanted by the honest heart". Very few people can do this, myself not included, but I feel better knowing this is what I believe and its only a matter of time and patients before I get what I want if I let myself believe.

But as everything goes you only get out of something what you are prepared to put into it. Being selfish with the world and never giving anything freely will manifest in the world giving nothing back, it all starts and ends with ourselves and how we treat others.
Just my point of view no more no less valid than any other really.