The truth about Facebook

[killmicrosoft]

The truth about Facebook
The truth about Facebook...Facebook

BIG BROTHERS STEALING YOUR PERSONAL INFO AND SELLING IT TO OTHER CORPORATIONS...facebook steals your info trut

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B37wW9CGWyY

[real6]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/technology/11facebook.html

How Sticky Is Membership on Facebook? Just Try Breaking Free

Are you a member of Facebook.com? You may have a lifetime contract.

Some users have discovered that it is nearly impossible to remove themselves entirely from Facebook, setting off a fresh round of concern over the popular social network’s use of personal data.

While the Web site offers users the option to deactivate their accounts, Facebook servers keep copies of the information in those accounts indefinitely. Indeed, many users who have contacted Facebook to request that their accounts be deleted have not succeeded in erasing their records from the network.

“It’s like the Hotel California,” said Nipon Das, 34, a director at a biotechnology consulting firm in Manhattan, who tried unsuccessfully to delete his account this fall. “You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”

It took Mr. Das about two months and several e-mail exchanges with Facebook’s customer service representatives to erase most of his information from the site, which finally occurred after he sent an e-mail threatening legal action. But even after that, a reporter was able to find Mr. Das’s empty profile on Facebook and successfully sent him an e-mail message through the network.

In response to difficulties faced by ex-Facebook members, a cottage industry of unofficial help pages devoted to escaping Facebook has sprung up online — both outside and inside the network.

“I thought it was kind of strange that they save your information without telling you in a really clear way,” said Magnus Wallin, a 26-year-old patent examiner in Stockholm who founded a Facebook group, “How to permanently delete your facebook account.” The group has almost 4,300 members and is steadily growing.

The technological hurdles set by Facebook have a business rationale: they allow ex-Facebookers who choose to return the ability to resurrect their accounts effortlessly. According to an e-mail message from Amy Sezak, a spokeswoman for Facebook, “Deactivated accounts mean that a user can reactivate at any time and their information will be available again just as they left it.”

But it also means that disenchanted users cannot disappear from the site without leaving footprints. Facebook’s terms of use state that “you may remove your user content from the site at any time,” but also that “you acknowledge that the company may retain archived copies of your user content.”

Its privacy policy says that after someone deactivates an account, “removed information may persist in backup copies for a reasonable period of time.”

Facebook’s Web site does not inform departing users that they must delete information from their account in order to close it fully — meaning that they may unwittingly leave anything from e-mail addresses to credit card numbers sitting on Facebook servers.

Only people who contact Facebook’s customer service department are informed that they must painstakingly delete, line by line, all of the profile information, “wall” messages and group memberships they may have created within Facebook.

“Users can also have their account completely removed by deleting all of the data associated with their account and then deactivating it,” Ms. Sezak said in her message. “Users can then write to Facebook to request their account be deleted and their e-mail will be completely erased from the database.”

But even users who try to delete every piece of information they have ever written, sent or received via the network have found their efforts to permanently leave stymied. Other social networking sites like MySpace and Friendster, as well as online dating sites like eHarmony.com, may require departing users to confirm their wishes several times — but in the end they offer a delete option.

“Most sites, even online dating sites, will give you an option to wipe your slate clean,” Mr. Das said.

Mr. Das, who joined Facebook on a whim after receiving invitations from friends, tried to leave after realizing that most of his co-workers were also on the site. “I work in a small office,” he said. “The last thing I want is people going on there and checking out my private life.”

“I did not want to be on it after junior associates at work whom I have to manage saw my stuff,” he added.

Facebook’s quiet archiving of information from deactivated accounts has increased concerns about the network’s potential abuse of private data, especially in the wake of its fumbled Beacon advertising feature.
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That application, which tracks and publishes the items bought by Facebook members on outside Web sites, was introduced in November without a transparent, one-step opt-out feature. After a public backlash, including more than 50,000 Facebook users’ signatures on a MoveOn.org protest petition, Facebook executives apologized and allowed such an opt-out option on the program.

Tensions remain between making a profit and alienating Facebook’s users, who the company says total about 64 million worldwide (MySpace has an estimated 110 million monthly active users).

The network is still trying to find a way to monetize its popularity, mostly by allowing marketers access to its wealth of demographic and behavioral information. The retention of old accounts on Facebook’s servers seems like another effort to hold onto — and provide its ad partners with — as much demographic information as possible.

“The thing they offer advertisers is that they can connect to groups of people. I can see why they wouldn’t want to throw away anyone’s information, but there’s a conflict with privacy,” said Alan Burlison, 46, a British software engineer who succeeded in deleting his account only after he complained in the British press, to the country’s Information Commissioner’s Office and to the TRUSTe organization, an online privacy network that has certified Facebook.

Mr. Burlison’s complaint spurred the Information Commissioner’s Office, a privacy watchdog organization, to investigate Facebook’s data-protection practices, the BBC reported last month. In response, Facebook issued a statement saying that its policy was in “full compliance with U.K. data protection law.”

A spokeswoman for TRUSTe, which is based in San Francisco, said its account deletion process was “inconvenient,” but that Facebook was “being responsive to us and they currently meet our requirements.”

“I kept getting the same answer and really felt that I was being given the runaround,” Mr. Burlison said of Facebook’s customer service representatives. “It was quite obvious that no amount of prodding from me on a personal level was going to make a difference.”

Only after he sent a link to the video of his interview with Britain’s Channel 4 News to the customer service representatives — and Facebook executives — was his account finally deleted.

Steven Mansour, 28, a Canadian online community developer, spent two weeks in July trying to fully delete his account from Facebook. He later wrote a blog entry — including e-mail messages, diagrams and many exclamations of frustration — in a post entitled “2504 Steps to closing your Facebook account” (www.stevenmansour.com).

Mr. Mansour, who said he is “really skeptical of social networking sites,” decided to leave after a few months on Facebook. “I was getting tired of always getting alerts and e-mails,” he said. “I found it very invasive.”

“It’s part of a much bigger picture of social networking sites on the Internet harvesting private data, whether for marketing or for more sinister purposes,” he said. His post, which wound up on the link-aggregator Digg.com, has been viewed more than 87,000 times, Mr. Mansour said, adding that the traffic was so high it crashed his server.

And his post became the touchstone for Mr. Wallin, who was inspired to create his group, “How to permanently delete your Facebook account,” after joining, leaving and then rejoining Facebook, only to find that all of his information from his first account was still available.

“I wanted the information to be available inside Facebook for all the users who wanted to leave, and quite a few people have found it just by using internal search,” said Mr. Wallin. Facebook has never contacted Mr. Wallin about the group.

Mr. Wallin said he has heard through members that some people have successfully used his steps to leave Facebook. But he is not yet ready to leave himself.

“I don’t want to leave yet; I actually find it really convenient,” he said. “But someday when I want to leave, I want it to be simple.”

[deliciously_fresh]

I guess I'm okay, since I don't use them.

[beldazar]

I vhad BIG problems removing myself from myspace too, several months of constantly deleting my account with them

[killmicrosoft]

James Breyer NVCA

http://www.nvca.org/pdf/LeadershipChange2004.pdf

[real6]

Nah, myspace takes like 3 to 5 min to delete. Ive done it twice already. Facebook is something within itself!!!

[beldazar]

hi real, it may have done that with you but it didnt with me, and i followed the method right

[thorleyart]

facebook is evil

[dangermouse]

Well i never got duped into the retarded thing anyway it looked crap from the start. I didn't bother with myspace either . I did sign onto the infowars network though.

http://social.infowars.com/blog_entry.php?user=DangerMouse&blogentry_id=5025

[space lizard]

This is just a snippet from an article I found online:

THE THIRD BOARD member of Facebook is Jim Breyer. He is a partner in the venture capital firm Accel Partners, who put $US12.7 million into Facebook in April 2005. On the board of such US giants as Wal-Mart and Marvel Entertainment, he is also a former chairman of the National Venture Capital Association (NVCA). Now these are the people who are really making things happen in America, because they invest in the new young talent, the Zuckerbergs and the like. Facebook's most recent round of funding was led by a company called Greylock Venture Capital, which put in the sum of $US27.5 million. One of Greylock's senior partners is called Howard Cox, another former chairman of the NVCA, who is also on the board of In-Q-Tel. What's In-Q-Tel? Well, believe it or not (and check out its website), this is the venture-capital wing of the CIA. After 9/11, the US intelligence community became so excited by the possibilities of new technology and the innovations being made in the private sector, that in 1999 they set up their own venture capital fund, In-Q-Tel, which "identifies and partners with companies developing cutting-edge technologies to help deliver these solutions to the Central Intelligence Agency and the broader US Intelligence Community (IC) to further their missions". The US defence department and the CIA love technology because it makes spying easier. "We need to find new ways to deter new adversaries," defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in 2003. "We need to make the leap into the information age, which is the critical foundation of our transformation efforts." In-Q-Tel's first chairman was Gilman Louie, who served on the board of the NVCA with Breyer. Another key figure in the In-Q-Tel team is Anita Jones, former director of defence research and engineering for the defence department, and — with Breyer — board member of BBN Technologies. When she left the defence department, Senator Chuck Robb paid her the following tribute: "She brought the technology and operational military communities together to design detailed plans to sustain US dominance on the battlefield into the next century."

[lightworks]

I always knew facebook was an arm of the intelligence agencies...I mean how much more easily can the sheeple be persuaded to police each other......and themselves

[gordonfreeman]

This is not good for me. I can't believe my high school friends told me to create a Facebook profile, blah. Freaking human sheeple.

Personal information stolen! Here is mine my Facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeffrey_Lee/1188282452

You only can see the whole thing if you joined Facebook.

I don't use Facebook as much, but hell I don't like it anymore. Still I visit there to support and help Anthro fans and Furries that created their own popular furry fandom group which lasted for 2 years and they are many new members that join the group.

[diamond dogs]

As I posted on another thread

You're right not to want a myspace account when you know who is behind it......THE ANTI CHRIST..:eek::eek: The Scum

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41412000/jpg/_41412106_rm203.jpg

And with millions of users, social networking sites, which make money out of advertising, are potential goldmines. MySpace was bought last year by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation for $580m (£332.85m).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4782118.stm

[shenoma]

How innocent are you people? What else do you expect when you put your self out there?

[malkor]

You have to be careful what information you give to anybody. Facebook has been extremely useful for me since I was able to make contact again with old friends that I had lost track of and it has brought me closer to relatives far and wide.

[the itinerant shrubber]

The moment I took a look at facebook I saw right through it. All those polls and questionnaires that pop up asking about what kind of friend you are,what your favorite relish it etc. Its psychological profiling on a mass scale.

[astro zombie]

Yeah but fuck em anyway, it's not like theres info on my facebook that they prob don't have already anyway. There's links to a ton of free e-books on all the different facets to the NWO on my facebook page, it's a great tool to spread info just like myspace.

They can get my information, i'm not afraid of the fascist fucks!

[blondina1]

How innocent are you people? What else do you expect when you put your self out there?

I guess I must be pretty inocent then...:rolleyes:

The info that is on facebook is something that in a ny case they have from before and for me it has been a great tool to reconnect wit old friends and family abroad. If I am going to stop partaking in everything that the NWO or whos nots may be behind I may as well live in a cave. Better to know the devil than to be ignorant of him!

[celtic isis]

Yeah but fuck em anyway, it's not like theres info on my facebook that they prob don't have already anyway. There's links to a ton of free e-books on all the different facets to the NWO on my facebook page, it's a great tool to spread info just like myspace.

They can get my information, i'm not afraid of the fascist fucks!

hehe same here!

i say fuck em as well :p

we're watched anyhow...i've gotten loads of old school mates seeing the light too now! it's great, very rewarding :) lots of groups on there, vid links etc can be posted and shared easily, and anyone coming to your page sees the kind of person you are and may think hmmmm...she's/he's into DI (or whoever)?! Wow!

[celtic isis]

This is not good for me. I can't believe my high school friends told me to create a Facebook profile, blah. Freaking human sheeple.

Personal information stolen! Here is mine my Facebook account: http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeffrey_Lee/1188282452

You only can see the whole thing if you joined Facebook.

I don't use Facebook as much, but hell I don't like it anymore. Still I visit there to support and help Anthro fans and Furries that created their own popular furry fandom group which lasted for 2 years and they are many new members that join the group.

i know people give so much of their personal info away! Even their actual phone numbers, job work numbers, other like MSN messenger account info etc! lol i know i've given some of mine but really some. and they have my face but my hair is a bit different now etc lol

can i add you? ;)

[polveirbecker]

All that Facebook & Myspace is welcoming Big Brother into your lives. Just think really people can get to know what you do everyday and every minute on these social networks. If anything these social networks are probably the best things to expose the big brother society that we live in today.

[celtic isis]

All that Facebook & Myspace is welcoming Big Brother into your lives. Just think really people can get to know what you do everyday and every minute on these social networks. If anything these social networks are probably the best things to expose the big brother society that we live in today.

it is but you can be careful what you disclose on there and people aren't on there everyday :)

some of us have taken the risk. :)

[thirdwave]

I dont think face book is needed for them to know about you... they know all they need to know.. all the info that's important they know... they know where we work...where we live...when we were borne.... what religion we were borne into, medical records... criminal records... educational records... how many times and when you have been abroad... banking situation and past history... they have records of everything.

I think with stuff like facebook its up to how flamboyant you are on it...

I have my emails and some pics... and I socialise with friends through it... but there is nothing up on there that I dont want people to know anyway....

if you start putting you address and phone number ...so on then it goes a bit to far...

I think the main reason Facebook/My Space is used is to give people a false sense of freedom... they are in doors on a computer yet feel like they not...

its just another mind control tool, although like all mind control tools if you can use it then its not so bad...

for example it is great for gigs... as you can no longer flyer in the streets or in bars unless its the bar you are playing at.... with face book you can let people know about events ...so on...

But if people want to see it all as negative its up to them...

my advice is use it, but don't put to much info up there.

it makes me laugh when people are righting about this while chatting on an internet forum....

you can see the negative in everything around you... its how you have been pushed into useing something that determines how good or bad it is.... you can pretty much give up every single thing around you if you are worried about what is put there to fuck with you because most of it is..... I believe the key is to use things at your disposal..... if you are awake and aware then what's the problem??

another example, what if people started useing facebook and my space to push the NWO info??? ... that's actually very effective!

and lots of it on My Space and now Facebook is doing it a little bit.... that is not negative in my book.

[marpat]

Easy solution, don't use it. I use it myself but put only scant details on my profile although the people who I have listed as friends have all sorts of stuff on theirs. I don't even keep a pic of myself on it or what I do.

[steevo]

Easy solution, don't use it. I use it myself but put only scant details on my profile although the people who I have listed as friends have all sorts of stuff on theirs. I don't even keep a pic of myself on it or what I do.

What's the web address of your page Marpat ?

[zero1]

All that Facebook & Myspace is welcoming Big Brother into your lives. Just think really people can get to know what you do everyday and every minute on these social networks. If anything these social networks are probably the best things to expose the big brother society that we live in today.

That's okay, I have no friends on MySpace and I don't do Facebook.

[marpat]

What's the web address of your page Marpat ?

ha ha ha like I am going to tell you :rolleyes:

[celtic isis]

what's The Web Address Of Your Page Marpat ?

:d Lmao

[endlessvista]

I was on there for about a week under a phoney name and I soon saw how exposed the whole thing was. Basically it seems to be aimed mainly at Americans who have no friends. Would not be surprised if the CIA is behind the whole thing.

[steevo]

Hmmmm maybe Facebook gives the CIA and MI5 the opportunity to select their perfect patsy ?

[steevo]

Also Facebook could be used to select people who they know would REACT in the correct way in relation to an incident that was orchestrated by the secret services.
Facebook has a million uses. I mean, people even post the most personal things on there. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE USER ACTUALLY POSTED THOSE MESSAGES ? It's a set up I tells ya!
Someone could be "suicided" and the Facebook page could be used to back up the claim that it was suicide, and the evidence would be that the person SUPPOSEDLY said on their page that they were suicidal. That's just an example. JUST MY OPINION so dont worry. Keep using it.

[celtic isis]

Also Facebook could be used to select people who they know would REACT in the correct way in relation to an incident that was orchestrated by the secret services.
Facebook has a million uses. I mean, people even post the most personal things on there. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE USER ACTUALLY POSTED THOSE MESSAGES ? It's a set up I tells ya!
Someone could be "suicided" and the Facebook page could be used to back up the claim that it was suicide, and the evidence would be that the person SUPPOSEDLY said on their page that they were suicidal. That's just an example. JUST MY OPINION so dont worry. Keep using it.

lol steevo, it's not that bad :) as one who uses it i can say it isn't.

but yeah i'm pretty aware i've probably got a marker over my forehead in my pic on the head computer monitoring system station screen lol :D

I do know it is a huge thing when people are being interviewed for jobs, the interviewer has on a few occasions brought up the subject of the interviewee's facebook page...:eek::o

that's pretty scary...

[xxdinoxkarenxx]

oh crap I didn't know that , I have a facebook :[

[blondina1]

I do know it is a huge thing when people are being interviewed for jobs, the interviewer has on a few occasions brought up the subject of the interviewee's facebook page...:eek::o

that's pretty scary...

Yeah but this was in the beginning when people wern't thinking and their page was open to anyone (not using the privacy settings). And people wern't thinking posting anything and everything. And if that is going to be used as an argument... What about the bosses that google? We might as well shut the whole internet down. Even here on the Icke forum I can go into your page and see what you are viewing, last time you were online, if you are online and what you posted (statistics)....

[kale]

Someone could be "suicided" and the Facebook page could be used to back up the claim that it was suicide, and the evidence would be that the person SUPPOSEDLY said on their page that they were suicidal. That's just an example. JUST MY OPINION so dont worry. Keep using it.


Wheels in motion?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/05/16/1210765091402.html

Its pretty stoopid to have to go to the help section and type in delete my account for the link, and they e-mail you to say its been done.?WTF
I hate the thing, there are cafe's that have banned people talking about it!

http://optuszoo.news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=341907

[steevo]

lol steevo, it's not that bad :) as one who uses it i can say it isn't.

but yeah i'm pretty aware i've probably got a marker over my forehead in my pic on the head computer monitoring system station screen lol :D

I do know it is a huge thing when people are being interviewed for jobs, the interviewer has on a few occasions brought up the subject of the interviewee's facebook page...:eek::o

that's pretty scary...

Yeah Isis, maybe what I said was SLIGHTLY over the top ;):D I had my conspiracy head on when I wrote that I think :o

[endlessvista]

Stevo, I kinda agree with your points about harvesting patsies from socially isolated indivduals.

***********************

All you need is have some sad sack start getting PMs from a pretty girl saying things like "I am so glad you like dolphins - people think I am weird but you and I know how wayyyyyy kewl dolphins are..."

Move on SIX Months, some nice photos of "Tammy" and a few phone calls later Later...

"Yes Marvin, I think it is terrible the way they treat dolphins, you are I are sooooooooooooo alike!"

Another Few Months...

"It's going take some real action against these Tuna company bigshots. I heard there is this group who want to stop talking and make a real statement."..."Maybe go into schools and educate kids on Dolphins being murdered in tuna nets..."Perhaps we can meet up somewhere and we can talk more...I wanted to say this but I find you really cute!"

Six Months Later...

Daily Enema
Crazed gunman tried to blow up school. Attacker gunned down by cops. Ex-girlfriend claimed he wanted to teach kids who eat tuna in lunches a lesson. Government spokesperson demands new security measures.

**********************

The more they know about you the more they can manipulate you from using everything from your hobbies to your insecurities.

[steevo]

Yes endlessvista I agree. In my opinion that is how these people work.

Another thing that people need to be careful of is putting details about yourselves that you do not want certain people to see such as your employer, which Celtic Isis has already mentioned. I was speaking to my other half today and she told me about an incident where there were some rules at a person's workplace and they were not allowed to drink alcohol in certain situations (which I wont go into) but a particular person posted photos of the "incident" on Facebook showing them drinking and also posted captions underneath and it has led to disciplinary action :eek:

[endlessvista]

Unreal, but it's just a further extention of the Big Borther/Jerry Springer and HELLO magazine mindset where nobody keeps their personal lives personal anymore. We are expected to be bigmouth showoffs giving as much info on ourselves as we can. Usually via shouting or crass exhibitionism. Facebook just takes it to the next level. They do not have to install CCTV in your living rooms if you are giving your life away on social networking sites.

I also have concerns about Bebo. Not the dirty old man aspect the media whipped up, but how it is cultivating a whole generation of young people who have no understanding of personal privacy.

[steevo]

Yes endlessvista I agree. In my opinion that is how these people work.

Another thing that people need to be careful of is putting details about yourselves that you do not want certain people to see such as your employer, which Celtic Isis has already mentioned. I was speaking to my other half today and she told me about an incident where there were some rules at a person's workplace and they were not allowed to drink alcohol in certain situations (which I wont go into) but a particular person posted photos of the "incident" on Facebook showing them drinking and also posted captions underneath and it has led to disciplinary action :eek:

Just let me expand very slightly on this because it might be unclear. The Disciplinary Action was taken by the employer because for some UNKNOWN reason the employer seems to have decided to look up the particular employee on FaceBook along with OTHER employees too. What made the employer look on facebook is a mystery. This stuff is REALLY happening :eek:

[endlessvista]

Feck me! That's simply astounding.

[amberdawn]

This thread has liberated me. :o

[celtic isis]

Yeah but this was in the beginning when people wern't thinking and their page was open to anyone (not using the privacy settings). And people wern't thinking posting anything and everything. And if that is going to be used as an argument... What about the bosses that google? We might as well shut the whole internet down. Even here on the Icke forum I can go into your page and see what you are viewing, last time you were online, if you are online and what you posted (statistics)....

i know to be honest i have my facebook full of stuff and i don't really care :)

as steevo says: fear fear it don't work here! :D

i am however going ot be even more careful not to chat so much on facebook when i do, though i usually meet people here and pm like that or email family and friends rather than give all info over to the facebook spies.

[celtic isis]

Yes endlessvista I agree. In my opinion that is how these people work.

Another thing that people need to be careful of is putting details about yourselves that you do not want certain people to see such as your employer, which Celtic Isis has already mentioned. I was speaking to my other half today and she told me about an incident where there were some rules at a person's workplace and they were not allowed to drink alcohol in certain situations (which I wont go into) but a particular person posted photos of the "incident" on Facebook showing them drinking and also posted captions underneath and it has led to disciplinary action :eek:

oh lol!!! :eek::o poor sods!

ya see, you weren't so over the top after all then steevo, i bow my hat to you.

Facebook is dangerous, i'm going to review mine slightly today me thinks..mind u no pics of me on there, i mean recent ones and if anyone tagged me in a photo i'd kill em!!!

not to mention stalkers...that's what makes me uncomfortable, and the privacy setting you have to review them often to make sure they haven't switched back to "who can see this- EVERYONE"!

[steevo]

oh lol!!! :eek::o poor sods!

ya see, you weren't so over the top after all then steevo, i bow my hat to you.

Facebook is dangerous, i'm going to review mine slightly today me thinks..mind u no pics of me on there, i mean recent ones and if anyone tagged me in a photo i'd kill em!!!

not to mention stalkers...that's what makes me uncomfortable, and the privacy setting you have to review them often to make sure they haven't switched back to "who can see this- EVERYONE"!

I have just been told that the employer that checked the Facebook pages were a company that had JUST taken over another company and it appears that the new company MAY HAVE BEEN checking up on ALL their CURRENT employees to see if they were suitable for their jobs. I can't say FOR DEFINITE that this is what happened but it looks that way TO THE PERSON WHO INFORMED ME OF IT and even if that is NOT the case, then we still have to be aware that FaceBook COULD be abused in that way.

[malkor]

Victim of fake facebook profile wins suit.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25840728/