Jesus Camp

[dangermouse]

I just watched Jesus Camp .. its horrific ...

[coshh]

I was pretty horrified when I first watched it, but you have to remember than people who make video's like that know how to edit them for best effect.
Most Christians are not like that and the ones in the video are probably not as bad as they're made to look (in the sense that there is more to them than the video shows - obviously, they did those things and said those things that were shown).

[craven dark]

Is this this Jesus camp there are showing clips of on You Tube?

If so what is wrong with these people?

Any links to the full film would be useful.

[dangermouse]

Is this this Jesus camp there are showing clips of on You Tube?

If so what is wrong with these people?

Any links to the full film would be useful.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


The problem is they are brain washing these kids to die for Jesus and how great it is to die for Jesus.

Jesus Camp Extract Praise Bush - YouTube

They are a bad bunch in general. I feel sorry for the robot brainwashed repeater kids.

[coshh]

Is being brainwashed to believe in and care about something really worse than being brainwashing into not believing in or really caring about anything?

[elirien]

I couldn't watch the whole movie. It was just sick. Same happens here in my country with Islam I suppose. Here we have the camps of Fethullah Gülen. Horrible. Its just so sad.

[madthumbs]

Most Christians are not like that and the ones in the video are probably not as bad as they're made to look (in the sense that there is more to them than the video shows - obviously, they did those things and said those things that were shown).

This type of church (Charismatic / Pentecostal / New Age) last I knew was the fastest growing denomination or group of Judaism / Christianity. These people blend in well with society, and show their true freaky selves in church or groups.

It's not just these groups that are supporting the genocides. Many protestants are donating to and supporting the racist atrocities (like you downplaying the content of the video).

Even the Christians who are racist against Jews are helping the criminals by providing justification for hate crime laws and suppression of information.

[eternal_spirit]

Everything in Revelations can be done through science and it’s child’s play and people must keep their heads as we go through this crisis time. It just escalates because if the BIG BOYS HAD BEEN CAUGHT planning this with the CFR before or right after 9/11 occurred it would have exposed at the time they could have blamed it on misunderstandings and bureaucratic errors and all this usual stuff that they give us but you see the axe is falling now. The axe man has already swung the axe and it’s ready to cut the head and they can’t go back now. They can’t stop. They can’t stop now. It’s all or NOTHING for them at the TOP.

And when you get fanatics who have planned this for so, so long a time before these present ones were born. Then whatever it takes the end justifies the means with them and that means how many it takes to kill anywhere to BRING THIS PLAN to its FINAL CONCLUSION THEY’LL DO IT because WE ARE NOTHING TO THEM.

And all the people who point fingers at this bunch and that bunch and all the other bunches just remember at the top of every bunch probably including the one that you follow yourself they’re all connected at the top.

THE ELITE OF ALL DIFFERENT RELIGIONS DON’T FOLLOW THE RELIGION THAT YOU THING THEY FOLLOW.

IT’S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND IT’S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY.

The race factor has been played for thousands of years and it’s so odd that the public – the general public never win. And the same families can come all down through history for thousands of years in EVERY COUNTRY. We should bear that in mind as they serve the pot and get the whole world fighting here and those who do follow the religions should think again and break the tribal bond they’ve been trained to follow so they can see clearly and see where you’re being lead and by whom.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Hurricane_Winds_Alan_Watt.html

[raffles]

I just watched Jesus Camp .. its horrific ...

I watched this about a year ago, and you right its horrific.
I really feel sorry for those kids.

[madthumbs]

Is being brainwashed to believe in and care about something really worse than being brainwashing into not believing in or really caring about anything?

Being brainwashed into accepting infant genital mutilation, genocide, rape, slavery, homosexual killing, witch killing, etc is NOT ok.

[cruise4]

"They can’t stop now. It’s all or NOTHING for them at the TOP. "

Absolutely right. Keep your head down and hope those inside realise what they are involved with. Every chance these people will wipe themselves out before the rest of us have completely gone. Education is still the only key.

[eternal_spirit]

Another good example as to why we don't need religion.

[amethyst]

This type of church (Charismatic / Pentecostal / New Age) last I knew was the fastest growing denomination or group of Judaism / Christianity. These people blend in well with society, and show their true freaky selves in church or groups.



It's not just these groups that are supporting the genocides. Many protestants are donating to and supporting the racist atrocities (like you downplaying the content of the video).

Even the Christians who are racist against Jews are helping the criminals by providing justification for hate crime laws and suppression of information.

One has to realise (if you are observant) that these denominations have been infiltrated by the NWO just like the Catholic church has been, and other "religions" as well....particularly the ones that look like such fine upstanding citizens. It's false righteousness, were "works' matter more than a "heart" change. The people that attend these churches just don't question that most of their "leaders" are working for another agenda. It's a social, back-slapping club where the members congratulate each other on being false and hypocritical.......and this is rewarded because it "looks' so upstanding. But it's a LIE.

They are dumbed down just like the rest of society is being dumbed down- except their "dumb-downess" is coated with a righteous, pious veneer which is really hard to penetrate and see thru.....because everyone wears a smile and a "HALLELUJAH' and unquestioning loyalty is drummed into them.....

They are victims trapt in a system that is killing them with kindness...and veneer of holiness....AND MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.

That's the scary thing.

[jamston]

oooooooh

I read this as 'Jesus (comma) Camp'

I expected it to be entire thread about how jesus was a bit efeminate and said things in the bible like 'oooh ducky' and 'god youre gorgeous you are girl' while fiddling with his nails

ho ho ho pun unintended, made myself chuckle there :D

[madthumbs]

One has to realise (if you are observant) that these denominations have been infiltrated by the NWO just like the Catholic church has been, and other "religions" as well....particularly the ones that look like such fine upstanding citizens. It's false righteousness, were "works' matter more than a "heart" change. The people that attend these churches just don't question that most of their "leaders" are working for another agenda. It's a social, back-slapping club where the members congratulate each other on being false and hypocritical.......and this is rewarded because it "looks' so upstanding. But it's a LIE.

They are dumbed down just like the rest of society is being dumbed down- except their "dumb-downess" is coated with a righteous, pious veneer which is really hard to penetrate and see thru.....because everyone wears a smile and a "HALLELUJAH' and unquestioning loyalty is drummed into them.....

They are victims trapt in a system that is killing them with kindness...and veneer of holiness....AND MOST OF THEM DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.

That's the scary thing.

These delusional people think that the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost guides them and instructs them directly. If that's the case, then some fake ass wrestling group is not going to have much influence on them.

These guys are poor actors:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3552/nwoha1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If they could act convincingly, they wouldn't need to cut themselves in choreographed battles.

Can we have a grown up argue for you now?

[amethyst]

These delusional people think that the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost guides them and instructs them directly. If that's the case, then some fake ass wrestling group is not going to have much influence on them.

These guys are poor actors:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3552/nwoha1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If they could act convincingly, they wouldn't need to cut themselves in choreographed battles.

Can we have a grown up argue for you now?

Hi madthumbs,

I'm going to have to differ a little bit with you. I believe there is a Spirit that guides you (if you allow them to) and that is a key...I certainly don't begin to fully understand why most (it appears) in the churches, would rather let their ministers, rabbi, guides etc. etc. do their thinking for them, but it seems (to me anyway) that this appears to be, what is the case.

When I was mentioning being "dumbed-down', I think what has happened is they (the individuals caught up in these religious systems) have become so content with letting everyone else do the thinking for them, that they really haven't been taught or developed the skills how to "think for themselves".....and that is one thing about Icke that I appreciate..... that is, he encourages you to not take what he is sharing as 'gospel' but rather, encourages you to do the research yourself...

Basically he puts it out there to the public and then leaves it there...it is then the decision for the listener to decide for themselves what is accurate and what is not. The ball is in our court so to speak.

But this attitude is a far different cry from what is being taught in most churches, where the minister or priest is looked up to as "God'..... and heaven forbid you even dare to question or research what is coming forth from the mouths of those in the pulpits. It is a flawed system, from the top on down, and represents, IMHO, what is wrong with "religion". It is a "system" designed to keep those in it, unquestionably loyal and unthinking.....

And not surprisingly, it is a tool that tptb have used to influence and persuade the "sheeple" what is the "correct" way of thinking......and it better not be questioned, is the party line......

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it is the individuals caught up in the system that are necessarily at fault, but the "system, AND society as a whole is so corrupt that, to really find any sort of "truth" out there, one has to really be like a salmon swimming upstream.......and that takes a lot of work and effort........and a good majority (it appears) don't want to make that monumental effort.

BUT, if you are a genuine "truthseeker', I do believe at some point, that you will arrive at your final destination......in some form or fashion.

"Seek, and ye shall find".......there's truth in that statement no?

[dangermouse]

oooooooh

I read this as 'Jesus (comma) Camp'

I expected it to be entire thread about how jesus was a bit efeminate and said things in the bible like 'oooh ducky' and 'god youre gorgeous you are girl' while fiddling with his nails

ho ho ho pun unintended, made myself chuckle there :D

"Hey Peter, does my ass look big in this?" :D

[jamston]

:D:D excellent, a camp jesus would be such a good character, or a name for a jesus camp. The amount of gags are endless, but i'll stop.

[madthumbs]

"Seek, and ye shall find".......there's truth in that statement no?

Very much so!

If an imaginary friend doesn't exist for example...

If someone longs for and searches for an imaginary friend: they'll find one!

Many end up associating this imaginary friend with the disgusting blood lusting, racist, slavery mongering, infant genital mutilating God of what is called The Bible. They ascribe their highest sense of love to this fictional being, and their statements as a result white wash for it. People in the faith are urged to have more and more faith (like the mustard seed analogy), and end up accepting the religion's sickness's in time. Their mind becomes warped and their sense of morality twisted.

[madthumbs]

Jesus Camp (http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1163)

[bucktown777]

I think it's important for us all to take a step back and realize that every soul that has occupied a body, knew before it came what experience it was going to have in the physical world we call earth/solar system/universe. We need to all collectively step back and let each soul develop on it's own and stop placing judgement on others. What may seem wrong to you, may not be wrong to others and what you may like others may not. Who is the authority on right or wrong? Only the creator, right? Well, the creator happens to be all of us in an aspect we cannot comprehend, so my advice is to let be what is and just focus on yourself and the things that interest you. I'm not saying that you cannot have an opinion and I'm not saying that 'Jesus Camp' is right or wrong. I just encourage all of to understand that every soul is here for it's own purpose of experience and understanding, so just let it be and be the best you can be!

[madthumbs]

If you're so apathetic, what are you doing here?

[bucktown777]

If you're so apathetic, what are you doing here?

Is that a question of judgement or logic? I am here because I decided to be, I want to be and I am. How do you assume that I am apathetic?

Why do 'you' think that I am here?

[elirien]

I can't understand your logic. Isn't debating the truth another way to develop your soul purpose or experience? It sounds pretty apathetic to me too. Not that I am accusing you. Jesus Camp(s) affect people in very bad ways that later on affect other non-campers. Do you believe that this is or should be our fate?

Pretty bad idea imho.

[bucktown777]

.I can't understand your logic. Isn't debating the truth another way to develop your soul purpose or experience? Well, that just depends if your soul's purpose is to develop by debating truth. I can't speak for any other soul besides my own. If debating the truth helps you develop your purpose or experience, then the answer to your question is yes, for you.

It sounds pretty apathetic to me too. Not that I am accusing you. It may seem that I am un-enthused or not concerned and maybe even uninterested, but the reason it seems that way to you and possibly to others is because you live under the 'right and wrong', 'win or lose', 'good or evil' paradigm. When you understand that the soul is fulfilling it's purpose, no matter how you place judgement on the actions of a person, you will begin to understand that everything is as it is supposed to be.

Jesus Camp(s) affect people in very bad ways that later on affect other non-campers. Do you believe that this is or should be our fate? I'm sorry, but this does not apply to me because I am not one to place judgement or value on actions of others. For me to agree with your statement means that I would have to accept the moral standards of another. Again, I'm not saying I have no beliefs or morals, but as an observer, I see that every soul(person) experiences exactly what it came here to experience.

Pretty bad idea imho.

[elirien]

I didn't say that it was wrong or right or anything. I think that development is achieved with debating amongst many other things. Receiving indoctrination is perhaps a form of development if you see it as the preperation of a setting that the individual later on perhaps questions etc. I'm not saying that we should brake the door down of some fundamentalist christians and forcibly make them drink fish oil or something. but when I'm asked about my oppinion on the matter I would definitely not lie and say what a bad ideal they are pursuing.

Galileo did the same thing under different circumstances. he didn't forced them to believe that the world was round. But he didn't say "ah well I found it but let those dudes figure it out for themselves. some other dude will find it out sooner or later". and if you think about this in an evolutionary way then it gets even worse. what if some cells would say "ah fuck it. let the others cells evolve. they'll catch on sooner or later". its called evolving ideas and noone should be apathetic to that.

Thats perhaps what the campers will learn the most later on. have an idea and think about it. don't other people do the thinking for you.

And on my beliefs there is nothing that much far away to what other people think around here. energy doesn't go away. development is higher vibration. I can't prove that but I can't prove why there are nuclear reactions either. I can't prove the most of calculus theorems either. weird. :D

[madthumbs]

Is that a question of judgement or logic? I am here because I decided to be, I want to be and I am. How do you assume that I am apathetic?

Why do 'you' think that I am here?

So your presence here has nothing to do with you caring, which equates to you being apathetic? Please be more ambiguous in your next response.

[bucktown777]

So your presence here has nothing to do with you caring, which equates to you being apathetic? Please be more ambiguous in your next response.

Your judgement of me is nothing more than the value of your opinion. If you view me as being 'apathetic', then to you, I am. This does not automatically mean that I am though. I don't base my observations on any type of emotion, I just see the situations for what they are.

Of course I'm open to more than just one possibility, but of course I also have my own brain, thoughts and opinions. I'm not so sure how 'ambiguous' one needs to be in the matters of observation. Perhaps you can help explain this and bring a new dynamic into the way that I and others should view situations since our own thoughts, opinions and statements seem to be too apathetic and anti-ambiguous for you.

If I would have come on here and stated that "'Jesus Camp' is a terrible brainwashing tool of the religions which are controlled by the NWO to deceive young children into believing in a higher power or faith without questioning the validity of their beliefs", would you still think that I'm apathetic? An observation cannot carry the load of 'apathy'. It seems to me as if you're just trying to agitate this thread because perhaps, someone's(mine) opinion doesn't match what you view as truth and reality for yourself.