The Kol Nidre

[eternal_spirit]

The Kol Nidre (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/kolnidre.htm)
The first and most important prayer of the Talmudist (Jewish) Holiday. "All vows , obligations, oaths, and anathemas. . . from this Day of Atonement until the next. . . we do repent.. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."

[eternal_spirit]

HE KOL NIDRE When reading this 'Kol Nidre" prayer, doesn't it make you wonder how any elected government official in these United States of America, whether it be at the local, state or federal level, could ever take a meaningful vow to defend and protect the Constitution for the United States of America? No matter what vow they take, the prayer absolves them of adherence. In other words, their word means NOTHING!
How would you like to have a Talmudic (Jewish) president? Of course, it doesn't really matter, and hasn't for a long time, because the Talmudists have been in power as the Shadow Government for so long -- maybe since the inception of the U.S. Constitution, and it becomes more and more clear that Americans are governed by them and are oppressed under the Talmudic / Commercial / International laws.
Here is the prayer, and an explanation of it from the Jewish Encyclopedia, on line.
Jackie — April 11th, 2003

THE KOL NIDRE
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=340&letter=K
By : Joseph Jacobs Max Schloessinger Cyrus Adler Francis L. Cohen
Prayer recited in the synagogue at the beginning of the evening service on the Day of Atonement; the name is taken from the opening words. The "Kol Nidre" has had a very eventful history, both in itself and in its influence on the legal status of the Jews.
Introduced into the liturgy despite the opposition of rabbinic authorities, repeatedly attacked in the course of time by many halakists, and in the nineteenth century expunged from the prayer-book by many communities of western Europe, it has often been employed by Christians to support their assertion that the oath of a Jew can not be trusted.
Form of Prayer.
Before sunset on the eve of the Day of Atonement, when the congregation has gathered in the synagogue, the Ark is opened and two rabbis, or two leading men in the community, take from it two Torah-scrolls.
Then they take their places, one on each side of the ?azzan, and the three recite in concert a formula beginning with the words, which runs as follows:
"In the tribunal of heaven and the tribunal of earth, by the permission of God -- blessed be He -- and by the permission of this holy congregation, we hold it lawful to pray with the transgressors." Thereupon the cantor chants the Aramaic prayer beginning with the words "Kol Nidre," with its marvelously plaintive and touching melody, and, gradually increasing in volume from pianissimo to fortissimo, repeats three times the following words:
"All vows , obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called '?onam,' '?onas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."
The leader and the congregation then say together: (Num. xv. 26).
"And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them, seeing all the people were in ignorance" This also is repeated three times. The ?azzan then closes with the benediction, :
"Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the Universe, who hast preserved us and hast brought us to enjoy this season." In many congregations Num. xiv. 19-20 is recited before this benediction. After it the Torah-scrolls are replaced, and the customary evening service begins.

[eternal_spirit]

It's like this, a Jew makes vow with a none jew, then breaks said vow? contract, promise etc, this is how they cheat in business and many other ways. They keep vows and promises to each other but not none Jews. What a scam!

[dedicate]

Hi. Could I just ask you Eternal Spirit, if you are one of those people who come at the idea of organized religion from the view: it must be wrong. So then, you are bound to find something wrong about it.

I'm not defending the above quote. I dont know enough about the Talmud to say.

That aside, one could interpret the oath above in many ways. -- like I'm sure the marriage vows are not nulled.

I have a problem though with men in office taking oaths to organizations that supercede the oath of office. Seems to me that person has to make a choice as to who or what he will serve and step down from the other. Please answer my original question,, I will not judge you.

[madthumbs]

It's like this, a Jew makes vow with a none jew, then breaks said vow? contract, promise etc, this is how they cheat in business and many other ways. They keep vows and promises to each other but not none Jews. What a scam!

Christianity is NO DIFFERENT!

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy NEIGHBOR.

Jews-us maintains the ambiguity of "neighbor" in Luke 10:29 and on.

Matthew 15:27
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

-Woman had to belittle herself for a healing! Put this in perspective: Jesus comes to America, is asked by a dark skinned person to be healed. Jesus calls him a N*, and he agrees to being vastly inferior. "Dog gets patted on the head".

This Judaic religion is sick, mind controlling racist crap.

[armoured_amazon]

Open your eyes.

And I'm unsure whether people are au fait with Yom Kippur. It's so easy to cherry pick.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

ES & MT:

If either of you actually studied the subject; read a decent Torah, read a decent translation of the scriptures, you would have an entirely different understanding.

Instead you present distortion.


If you would actually read the scriptures, you would understand the story of the Yahdaim, YHVHs chosen people, is a story of: Screwin' up big time, many times.

This should indicate to the reader the Yahdaim were 'Chosen' to be examples, paradigms, NOT 'Pets'.


Consider: Lanquishing in Egyptian Slavery for 400 years, for training purposes;

March around the desert for 40 years, the fact most of the adults liberated from Egypt died in the desert, never seeing the 'Promised' Land,

This didn't happen because they were obedient to YHVH.


Taken away into captivity by the Babylonians, Rumbled by the Romans and sent Packing.

Again, not because they were obedient to YHVH.


The Talmud causes seperation and division.


The Torah promotes Unity and Harmony.


The Traditions of men are an abomination to YHVH.


Torah Laws state: Strangers in the Land are to be treated as Yahdaim, for once the Yahdaim were strangers in a land.

YHVH is no respecter of Persons.

And many, many more.


It is not who you are, but what you do. Cornelius, the Roman Centurion. The Ethiopian Eunuch, an African.

I am a Nordic New Yorker, I have been inter-acting with Talmudic-Elohists my entire life, and find them no more nefarious than any other race or creed.

Inter-acting with any Carnally Minded Human is predictable, the problem as I see it: 90%of humans are Carnally Minded.


Due to the lack of scholarship and discernment, I become disgusted with what I read.


Think, Rethink, then Think Again: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[drael]

"All vows , obligations, oaths, and anathemas. . . from this Day of Atonement until the next. . . we do repent.. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."

Actually thats a facinating observation - about absolution in general. What begins as a literal forgiveness and cleansing becomes a prayer, a spell to actually anull any responsiblity - physical, emotional or spiritual. What a selfish gib! Sure to ask another being forgivness or seach for it you your heart or with god, but to just wipe it out?

Im facinated by the presense of what i consider "dark" magick and negative thinking in so many public institutions.

[paganus]

Actually thats a facinating observation - about absolution in general. What begins as a literal forgiveness and cleansing becomes a prayer, a spell to actually anull any responsiblity - physical, emotional or spiritual. What a selfish gib! Sure to ask another being forgivness or seach for it you your heart or with god, but to just wipe it out?

Im facinated by the presense of what i consider "dark" magick and negative thinking in so many public institutions.its an abdication of personal responsibility in my opinion.how many 'christians' confess there sins,get 'absolved' and then go and do it again? no recompense to the victim and no attemt to fix the problem.one result of this? pedophile priests.

[revolutionary_jam]

i must tell you thought, most jews don't havea fuckin clue what any of the prayers they say in the synagogue mean because it's in a language they don't understand

[paganus]

i must tell you thought, most jews don't havea fuckin clue what any of the prayers they say in the synagogue mean because it's in a language they don't understandLOL! like catholics with Latin!:D

[armoured_amazon]

To repent of a sin means not to ever do it again. To do it again means to be punished many times more than originally.

[eternal_spirit]

The Kol Nidre (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/kolnidre.htm)
The first and most important prayer of the Talmudist (Jewish) Holiday. "All vows , obligations, oaths, and anathemas. . . from this Day of Atonement until the next. . . we do repent.. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."

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It's self explanatory, they make false oaths and contracts and don't keep to their words, which means they lie when making said oaths and contracts, but they pretend they're not lying.:(