Star Wars weirdness

[albie]

HODUR (hod-er)/HOTH/HOTHR/BJORNOHODER: "The blind god"; Aesir god of winter; son of Odhinn and Frigg. Passiveness. Famous archer before he became blind.


http://www.norse-man.net/Norse/Gods.htm

Hod the BLIND god of winter is tricked into killing Balder, the god of summer, with a mistletoe twig. Balder goes to the underworld. Hence winter/summer occurs.

I noticed an odd similarity with a scene from Return of The Jedi, namely the sarlacc pit scene.

Han, who is blind, accidentally kills Boba Fett with a swing of his weapon, igniting Fett's rocket pack.

Fett's armor bears an odd insignia.

http://www.geocities.com/boba_fett_fansite/BobaFettlogopin.jpg


A plant of somekind. A symbol of summer?

Lucas is aware of this myth as he names a planet Hoth, another name for Hod. Hoth being eternally snowbound (winter)

Another possible thing to look at. Chewbacca.

Tue+ Bacchus?

Tew being a god of war.

Also. Lugh Lamfada (Luke Skywalker?) the irish figure. Lamfada means "long hand". As in reaching for distant light sabers with the force?

Grandson of Balor the one eyed giant whos eye destroys all it sees and requires several men to open it (Darth Vader+ Death Star?)

Lugh kills Balor with a single shot from his sling right in his eye. (Sound familiar). A single stone.

Consider Boba Fett's armour. Green, yellow, red. The colurs of summer.

Balder. Boba.

Consider Han's outfit. Black and white. He's blind, like Hod was. FROZEN in carbonite.

He kills Boba by accident who then goes into the underworld. SARLACC PIT!

It's all there.

Lucas knows about this myth because he uses the name HOTH for a winter planet and HOTH was an alternate name for HOD.

Why is this significant? Because Lucas never mentions it as an influence. Is Lucas using Star Wars to carry on the winter/summer cycle?

Where does the title DARTH come from?

Mort D'Arthur?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Morte_d'Arthur

The death of Arthur. So Luke is Mordred. Lucas is telling the Arthurian Myth from the view of Mordred.

Consider Princess Leia Organa. Or is it MORGANA? morgana le fey!

And what does the word Boba mean? The only word simliar is the french word Bobard. Which means "lie"

fett? German for fat?

Big fat lie.

[shenoma]

Who cares? :confused:

[tru3]

joseph campbell helped lucas write star wars. he was the myth-meister.

[albie]

But he's never said anything about these particular myths.

What's he hiding?

[tru3]

But he's never said anything about these particular myths.

What's he hiding?


this ought to make you blow a fuse.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2062

sometimes, things just remain a mystery, don't they? ;)

[limelady]

Who cares? :confused:

Lots of people care and are very interested in the mythical/occult/symbolism connections involved in the movie industry shenoma. This forum has been setup so people can express their views and share information on such matters.

[tru3]

Lots of people care and are very interested in the mythical/occult/symbolism connections involved in the movie industry shenoma. This forum has been setup so people can express their views and share information on such matters.


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"My problem is that whenever we have a disagreement you don't even want to hear my side of the story. It's like your side is the truth and mine isn't."

huh...interesting.

[intruder]

I'll throw something into the mix here....

see Numbers 13:33 (NO joke!!) in which the "Anakim" are mentioned as being giants.

And what about "The Phantom Menace", or should I say the "phantom penis"!?
Just WHO was Anakin's father...again, a virgin birth scenario. Not to mention the blatant stereotyping in that film....ala J.J. Binks...and others. Anyway you look at it...a fairly mediocre film.

[intruder]

Of course "Yoda" is an easy one. It's a play on "yoga" or union....Yoda is yoked to the "force". The vehicle of transmission is primarily through the hands. In Hebrew, "YOD" is the hand. In Hebrew "A" or Aleph, is the primary archetype..."ALL-LIFE". The "force", ALL life, conveyed through our hands. Nothing new here...as I'm conveying ALL LIFE, and infinite LOVE, ALL-LOVE, via my hands.

[mrguitarbear]

I think Luke (Skywalker) relates to LUCAS , in other words Lucas is really casting himself as the hero.

The name Darth has something of Dada or Dad in it , as well as Dark , in other words the Dark Father or Nobodaddy. Vader suggests invader and evader , the controlling father and the father who evades his responsibilities to his child.

Han suggests ' handsome ' and Solo , well hes obviously a loner.

[intruder]

In "The Phantom Menace" I was cringing when J.J. Binks spoke...at times I was waiting for him to say..."Massa' wanna' smoke some Ganja..Okee-day...you likey ganja dont-cha Massa' ? okee-day "

You'll also recall that Jar-Jar and his crew were the "buffalo soldiers" ...placed directly in harms way on the front lines!

[shenoma]

Lots of people care and are very interested in the mythical/occult/symbolism connections involved in the movie industry shenoma. This forum has been setup so people can express their views and share information on such matters.

Sorry, but I don't see the big importance here, that is why I was asking the question to start with, (not trying to be a smart a** or something like that).

[albie]

Look again at the Boba fett/han thing.

It's blatant use of an old summer/winter pagan thing.

Yet no mention of it in interviews.

Maybe it was subconscious/ Maybe myths and old gods crop up under a will of their own.

Just look at it.

[intruder]

I'm surprised Lucas Films were not sued by the Fender company. The "F" from Fett's insignia IS the "Fender" F, no doubt about it.

As in the Fender Strat. Tele's etc.

[albie]

it could also be a 7 with a line thru it.

I think it's a french thing.

[basel]

In "The Phantom Menace" I was cringing when J.J. Binks spoke...at times I was waiting for him to say..."Massa' wanna' smoke some Ganja..Okee-day...you likey ganja dont-cha Massa' ? okee-day "

You'll also recall that Jar-Jar and his crew were the "buffalo soldiers" ...placed directly in harms way on the front lines!


lol intruder lol:D


“Luke fulfills a number of the characteristics that you see in mythic heroes,” Feder said: “A royal lineage that he grows up ignorant about in a simple, obscure way, and he has special powers and abilities that are brought out by a series of teachers.

In classic mythology, the hero reluctantly leaves the homeland (in Luke's case, the planet Tatooine) on a quest that takes him over a supernatural threshold into a strange land. A helper/co-hero such as space jockey Han Solo lends a steady hand through a series of ordeals. Comic relief is provided by tricksters such as the Greek muse Thalia or C3PO and R2-D2.

Ultimately, the hero must stand on his own, face the darkness and conquer it before returning to reality, stronger and wiser.

For Luke, the darkness was the evil side of the Force, a cosmic spiritualism that Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda taught him to harness for good purposes, another element of the Hero Cycle. Luke and Han, by association with the Force, both evolve from self-centered people into crusaders with a grand purpose.

“No one becomes much in this life without powerful mentoring experiences,” Young said. “These are both universal and precious. It is a rare and beautiful thing that everyone knows on some level is of great, great value.”

A series of obstacles must block the hero's path to an enchanted land where final victory -- the elixir of a golden fleece or galactic peace -- awaits. Threshold guardians constantly interfere with the hero, whether it's the terror of Medusa, Mordred, or the Empire's stormtroopers and a conniving Jabba the Hutt.

Even after defeating the guardians, mythological heroes can't breathe easily.

“The seeker has to go through a death and rebirth experience,” Young said. “When Luke is trapped in the garbage dump in the first movie, or Han Solo is turned to stone in that carbonite block, these are experiences equal to Jonah being swallowed by the great fish.”

"They are being completely overwhelmed by defeat, a near-death experience, and then they're revived and are able to become new people. That's a challenge that every human being goes through.”

After the hero prevails, the final showdown with the villain, either real or psychological, can begin. Psychologist Carl Jung, a mentor of sorts to Campbell, called this antagonist the Shadow archetype. Darth Vader's black cloak and helmet, or his estranged conflict with his son certainly fit that description.

This pattern of myth appears in plenty of books, TV shows and films. Consider Dorothy's trek to OZ or Rocky Balboa's heavyweight boxing career.

“Every culture has them, and they're essentially the same story,” said Liam Neeson, who plays Jedi master Qui-Gon Jinn in The Phantom Menace. “We immediately recognize them in some way, and we feel the need to have them told.”

“We're living in such a complex world, with so much confusion each time we turn around, that we want to see something that makes the world more palatable. (Myths) just remind you of those basic pillars of wisdom that everybody should have.”

Moving beyond myth
The most obvious is the massive exposure and instantaneous cult of devotion that surrounds The Phantom Menace. Lucas is the first mass media mythologist, which causes some academics to question placing him among the elite creators of legends. Ancient myths thrived on the power of their stories alone, not mass communication

“There is the test-of-time thing to consider,” Feder said. “A lot of people would hesitate to put the label of ‘myth’ on something relatively new like Star Wars. But, a myth is a myth, no matter what trappings we put on it. Give them light sabers instead of swords and it doesn't matter.”

Feder also noted Luke's shift toward pacifism, which is different from past mythological heroes. Yoda and Obi-Wan teach Luke to use the Force for knowledge and defense, and the young Jedi knight tosses away his weapon during the climactic battle with Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi.

“That's a pretty radical idea,” she said. “We're used to the hero fighting; slaying the dragon or killing the monster. That's what we find most familiar. This idea of triumphing by not fighting, of being passive, of letting this power work through you, is a very Zen type of idea.”

The most intriguing twists on mythological convention are just starting to take shape with the release of The Phantom Menace. By moving backward in time and focusing on 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker, who will mature into Darth Vader, Lucas may be creating a larger, more shadowy multi-film epic. If so, Luke's story may be one portion of a larger vision.

It may turn out that Anakin is the ultimate hero, and his Darth Vader identity is merely the low point he endures on the trail of a finer elixir. A rumor dating back to 1977 that Lucas would create nine Star Wars films has since been denied. However, with The Phantom Menace beginning with Anakin's childhood and chapter six, Return of the Jedi, ending with his immortality, Anakin's Hero Cycle could logically be completed in six films.

Concentrating on Anakin Skywalker is a daring position to take, according to Young, who read The Phantom Menace screenplay while it was being produced.

“In each of the four films, Lucas has been willing to take on darker themes, what Jung would call ‘shadow material,' “ Young said. “We know Anakin Skywalker will someday be Darth Vader. Here's this very charming 9-year-old boy that we're following, and we know where he's going.”

“It casts this troubled quality across the whole story, which I think is fascinating for a large-scale movie or any myth.”

By revealing Darth Vader's redemption from the dark side of the Force in Return of the Jedi, Lucas has already informed audiences that there is light after the shadows. It's that promise of goodness that Feder believes is vital to the Star Wars phenomenon and Lucas' place among the master mythmakers.

“For all that we like our gritty stories and our dark, brooding anti-heroes, how many of those gritty stories have endured?” she asked. “People may not realize it on the surface, but (the Star Wars story) touches something inside us in a way that mere entertainment doesn't.”

“Last year's action movie is last year's action movie. Most of them are forgotten. Something mythical like Star Wars endures.”


http://www.folkstory.com/articles/petersburg.html




basel (sorry for the cut and paste)