And you thought David Icke charged $.

[cleft_asunder]

Or maybe you didn't. I think his prices are totally reasonable. But check out the book trilogy Matrix V! So profound you simply HAVE to get it, according to the author who happends to have a huge ego. I don't doubt that there is a plethora of information within, probably all or nearly all accurate, but 65 dollars for 1 of the 3 books? Give me a fucking kit-kat bar. If the material is so profound, I would be honest with the price rather than cash in so that people would awaken.

This is how the Illuminati system works: Let's say a water-fuled car is ready to be released to the market. (In fact is has already been invented, but it will never happen http://youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fsearch%3Dwater%2Bpower%26v%3DHF__Qlhtnws) What the company behind it can do is sell it for near-cost of what it takes to manufacture it, say $15,000, giving people a super deal that makes them more free. Or, the company can sell the car at an outrageous artificial inflated market value price such as say... $50,000 because it's new, advanced, and super-cheap to fuel, cancelling out the benefits for a very long time. This happened to the recent hybrids which were intentionally invented to fail. In this second method, only the few would be able to afford it. With the first method, humanity and the company wins. With the second method, only the few win and the company still makes money, but immorally, and humanity is further in bondage.

The Illuminati corporations ALWAYS use the second method. Anything that's good must be expensive, no matter how cheap it is to produce. so back to the book, the author can kiss my ass because I'm not buying any of his shit. I'll stick to Icke, thanks, he's far more honest. And frankly I know he goes beyond Matrix V in 'Infinite Love."

Check out the prices:
http://www.trufax.org/books/orderformus.html

[paulski]

Has anyone actually read these books? Who is this Val Valerian?

[teslafire]

Valerian's books are more like brief compilations of everything paranormal, couple of pages here and there of topics, some just cut and paste news clips.

Its a bit like a Wiki catalog. But to his credit, he offers great scope and did it at a time before the 'internet movement'.

[phoenix1]

Valerian's books are more like brief compilations of everything paranormal, couple of pages here and there of topics, some just cut and paste news clips.

Its a bit like a Wiki catalog. But to his credit, he offers great scope and did it at a time before the 'internet movement'.

I've heard of Val Valerian...but know sod all about him (It would have been the Name) stopping me finding out more, LOL Val Fuckin Valerian, I mean c'mon..I guess I wasn't taking that name seriously, have I missed out ??

Good knowledge ought not to be expensive...Even Manly Palmer Hall..when he started writing, he would sell his works to a person, usually at a personal loss, the price he would charge....was based on how much someone was prepared to pay,even if it did not cover the cost.

I know Manly P Hall was a BIG Freemason. But ain't that a cool way to sell a book ?? Or offer a book ??

He wrote a few books..."The Secret Teachings Of All Ages" being but one.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/ (Copywright not renewed)

I ain't read this yet...in its entirity. But I would imagine there is a wealth of wisdom in it...for a serious student.

And no I aint affiliated LOL. Before anyone asks.

[father ted]

If people don't want to buy anything, just visit the "research archives", you'll find a lot of good info there, as well as relevant links, like the link to the works of Maxwell, including vids. Of course there are other things you can do, but his research archives have the main crux of info that you need. However, I think his website could be better and inproved on. Maybe that's another thread?

[paulski]

Valerian's books are more like brief compilations of everything paranormal, couple of pages here and there of topics, some just cut and paste news clips.

Its a bit like a Wiki catalog. But to his credit, he offers great scope and did it at a time before the 'internet movement'.

Cheers for that, will have a look on the net and check him out.

[cleft_asunder]

Big mixup here guys. The author is NOT Val Velarian. He is the editor. The author of Matrix V seems to be anonymous. I was unable to find the name of the author on the site.

[adramelech]

Self publishing is very expensive and there's absolutely nothing wrong with making money for hundreds of hours spent on something. The Matrix compilations are quite excellent. They should be familiar reading to anyone on a forum like this, whether or not you choose to support them monetarily.

[thirdwave]

Some of Davids books are more than others , but he has done it all him self..

But people like David should be getter paid good money in my eyes...

there does tend to be this thing where many feel people in this line of work must not make good money ... people like icke..tsarion...maxwell... and who ever else should work full time for pee nuts so they appear more genuine and for the cause...

mean while greedy basters sucking the planet dry and everyones souls with it and making millions for it and respected and treated like royalty...

I would like to see people like Icke and Tsarion...so on, become very rich and powerful.... more and more and more people like that, so there is a large section of the pyramid structure with people in it that are exposing it, rather then shouting from under the foot of the elites power....

but crazy enough, there are many out there that think all this info should be under ground and free.... with no finacial or commercial clout, in other words leave the mainstream un changed....and un influenced in regards to all this news.

[father ted]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Icke got ripped off by his publisher and he hasn't earned a single cent from those books? (If I remembered correctly) I did also read that he had pleaded to his publisher about the price of his books and wanted them to go down.

but crazy enough, there are many out there that think all this info should be under ground and free.... with no finacial or commercial clout, in other words leave the mainstream un changed....and un influenced in regards to all this news.

I don't think "free information" and "going underground" are exclusive to each other, not that that's how you meant it specifically, I'm just making a point on that. You made a good point, there is a large audience that only listens to what's mainstream and you have to appeal to that. And plus, publishing and the making/printing of these works costs money.

However, it is a good idea to provide examples of your work in order to get the word out and to sell, however that may be. I'm definately not saying weather Icke has done that or not, I'm just stating something. I have purchased books and dvd's/cd's from Icke and this wouldn't have come about if I hadn't seen one of his talks, which was leant to me by my friend, whom at first had a bootleg copy of it but later purchased it, because it was a good product. This was an introduction for me to Icke, and had purchased products from him since, as well as others.

[azure]

Found Matrix I - IV online... I've only skimmed them so far, but this Valerian guy's stuff seems really, REALLY high quality! Not to mention each book seems to be 600-1000 pages. I'd say totally worth the price. Wish I could find Matrix V somewhere.