Now it's happening here - child shot with taser

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Police 'taser' boy, 12, in school drama

Police in Western Austalia have tasered a 12-year-old boy after he allegedly threatened three teachers with knives, according to a report.

The student allegedly threatened three teachers in the staff room of a high school south of Perth yesterday while holding two knives, the The West Australian newspaper said.

Officers reportedly used a taser gun on the boy after he refused to put down the knives.

The boy has been charged with making threats to injure, endanger or harm.

He is expected to face a children's court today.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/police-taser-boy-12-in-school-drama/2008/02/20/1203190868808.html

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The kid deserved it man. He should've put the knives down. Theres no reason to have fucking knives in school man. He should get his nuts removed so he doesn't propagate and create morons like himself.

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The kid deserved it man. He should've put the knives down. Theres no reason to have fucking knives in school man. He should get his nuts removed so he doesn't propagate and create morons like himself.
I disagree, the taser is an easy option, what do you think the police would had of done if they didn't have access to a taser? They would have eventually disarmed the boy by negotiation or by force, no need to hit him with 50,000 volts.

Tasers are legalized torture for lazy cops that have no people skills.

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So you're saying the kid should bring knives into school and threaten people with them? I want you to be president, you'll drive the country into a big shit hole and Ill love every minute of it.

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So you're saying the kid should bring knives into school and threaten people with them? I want you to be president, you'll drive the country into a big shit hole and Ill love every minute of it.
Is it possible for you to respond without being such a smart arse?

No I don't think children should take knives to school, nor do we know the whole details of what drove him to do this.

My point in posting this was to make other Australians aware that this despicable practice of electrocuting people because they don't obey orders is now happening here.

It may be an acceptable practice where you come from, but I'm hoping it won't be tolerated here.

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[tothestars]

Shouldnt be too hard to disarm a 12 year old kid without using taser imo.

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Shouldnt be too hard to disarm a 12 year old kid without using taser imo.
Thats right, but there's more to this agenda than meets the eye IMO. It's about unconditional control, don't question or argue, just do as the cops tell you or you'll suffer excruciating pain in the form of 50,000 volts to the chest.

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Police had 'no other option but to Taser boy'

Police had no option but to fire a Taser gun at an angry and irrational 12-year-old boy wielding a knife at a West Australian school, the police union boss says.

Police fired the Taser at the boy at the school, south of Perth, yesterday after he threatened three teachers with knives he picked up at the school.

The Taser missed the boy, but he dropped the knife and police were able to apprehend him.

WA Police Union president Mike Dean today said the officers who attended the incident tried all other options before deploying the Taser on the boy who was angry with another student.

"Given the location and potential for damage, they couldn't let it go on," Mr Dean said.

"At the end of the day, it's a good result, no one is hurt."

Mr Dean said he had contacted the officers involved because of personal concerns.

"I don't think we should be using them (Tasers) on young children," he said.

But, Mr Dean said he was comfortable with the decision made by the officers after listening to the facts.

"He had two knives in his hands, he's in a raging temper, he was very angry and very irrational."

If anyone was traumatised, it was the officers involved, Mr Dean said.

WA Education Minister Mark McGowan told ABC Radio the incident was "disturbing'', saying Tasers should only be used as a last resort.

"Police are confronted with difficult situations very often but it's something you would do as a last resort," he said.

But, he said, the incident would not prompt the introduction of metal detectors.

"There's been a lot of talk the last day or so about introducing metal detectors at schools.

"I don't support that at all and I don't think it would have helped in this instance.

"The child, as I understand it, took a knife from the home economics room and a metal detector wouldn't have helped.

"And metal detectors, when you've got schools with literally dozens of entry points, just won't work and it's not an Australian way of doing things."

A 12-year-old boy is due to appear in the children's court today charged with threatening to injure, endanger or harm.

AAP (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/police-had-no-option-but-to-use-taser/2008/02/20/1203190868808.html)

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If anyone was traumatised, it was the officers involved, Mr Dean said.
Give me a break!:rolleyes:

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"Given the location and potential for damage, they couldn't let it go on," Mr Dean said.

If my child was in a classroom with a weapon-wielding individual, be it child or adult, I think I'd want that person disarmed asap. The problem we have in all of these situations is not the measures used to resolve, but the distinct failure to parent in the first place. People are building their own prison walls by their own shoddy life choices.

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If my child was in a classroom with a weapon-wielding individual, be it child or adult, I think I'd want that person disarmed asap. The problem we have in all of these situations is not the measures used to resolve, but the distinct failure to parent in the first place. People are building their own prison walls by their own shoddy life choices.
These people are supposed to be professionals, the class room would have been emptied and the child isolated. If their only option to subdue a 12 year old child holding kitchen knives is by firing 50,000 volts at him then we've got real problems.

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These people are supposed to be professionals, the class room would have been emptied and the child isolated. If their only option to subdue a 12 year old child holding kitchen knives is by firing 50,000 volts at him then we've got real problems.

You're right; we have got real problems. But they start at home. If each and every parent takes responsibility for nurturing their child as they ought to, great changes can be made in this world. Far more than any other method. Badly-raised children grow into dysfunctional people. People who do badly unto others. A well-nurtured child would not grow into an adult that would think of tasering a child. A well-nurtured child wouldn't bring knives to school.

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You're right; we have got real problems. But they start at home. If each and every parent takes responsibility for nurturing their child as they ought to, great changes can be made in this world. Far more than any other method. Badly-raised children grow into dysfunctional people. People who do badly unto others. A well-nurtured child would not grow into an adult that would think of tasering a child. A well-nurtured child wouldn't bring knives to school.
Well you'll get no argument from me there..:)

The problem we now have in society is that we have children raising children and all by design..

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Well you'll get no argument from me there..:)

The problem we now have in society is that we have children raising children and all by design..

:)

Yup. When I see the main breeding generation today I dread to think what problems the next generation will bring. If we think it's bad now, it has the potential to be ten times worse in a decade or two. Thankfully, there are still some families with values and their children are our hope.

[i_am]

He didn't take knives to school. He got them from the cooking classroom.

We do not know the whole story here so lets not be too judgmental. We do not know what this child was subjected to, to make him react this way.

Whatever the true story is, tasering a 12 year old is way over the top.

It is all very well to always blame parents but kids rebel, even from the best homes.

[armoured_amazon]

He didn't take knives to school. He got them from the cooking classroom.

Allow me to correct myself then. :rolleyes: A well-nurtured child wouldn't brandish knives from the cooking classroom in a threatening manner.

[i_am]

Allow me to correct myself then. :rolleyes: A well-nurtured child wouldn't brandish knives from the cooking classroom in a threatening manner.

Probably not but it may not be as black and white as portrayed in the mainstream news. It rarely is.

[beldazar]

you can bring up children in the best possible way and they can still behave in ways you wont be able to understand. I think everyone should learn psychology myself! As somebody pointed out, the facts arent known, sometimes people are too quick to judge.

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you can bring up children in the best possible way and they can still behave in ways you wont be able to understand. I think everyone should learn psychology myself! As somebody pointed out, the facts arent known, sometimes people are too quick to judge.

That is very true, but I still stand by my opinion (and I studied A Level Psych so I'm not completely green). If we were to observe statistics, I think we'd find some sort of correlation between anti-social behaviour and instability in the home. Just my opinion, after all. Hey, maybe I'm wrong and all these well-balanced people are acting out just for the hell of it...

[beldazar]

Well, im not too sure, I have looked at the possibility of some kind of mind control, I have mentioned in some of my posts the possibility of possession, there are many cases of people who say they hear voices in their heads, I dont think its the case here, Was he on prozac I wonder? My parents brought me up to the best of their ability but Ive done some really crazy things, unfortunately Im guilty of pulling 5 knives out on my sister, at the same time! Something Im VERY ashamed of now :o

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He didn't take knives to school. He got them from the cooking classroom.


It's interesting how the media works, first they create the impression in peoples minds that they were his knives that he was carrying himself, then towards the end of the article they drop this in..

"There's been a lot of talk the last day or so about introducing metal detectors at schools."

Why even bring that up considering it is evident that it has nothing to do with this case? It's subtle mind manipulation thats why, getting us ready for when they do place metal detectors in schools..

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Well, im not too sure, I have looked at the possibility of some kind of mind control, I have mentioned in some of my posts the possibility of possession, there are many cases of people who say they hear voices in their heads, I dont think its the case here, Was he on prozac I wonder? My parents brought me up to the best of their ability but Ive done some really crazy things, unfortunately Im guilty of pulling 5 knives out on my sister, at the same time! Something Im VERY ashamed of now :o

There are always exceptions to the rule, naughty :p And one of your comments brings me to another matter - medicating children. Done far too often, imo. Makes me mad. :mad:

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yes you are absolutely right! I get so upset with people who medicate their children although it isnt their fault, they are led to believe its beneficial to them. I dont like the way doctors prescribe anti-depressants either, the patients dont get offered counselling, they are given a prescription and off you go! I feel like going down to the surgeries sometimes and having a few words. I keep getting reminders for my child to be immunised at the moment, I ignore them, I wish I hadnt had my eldest son done now, he was diagnosed as having autistic spectrum disorder and I often wonder if it wasnt caused by the jabs.

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There are always exceptions to the rule, naughty :p And one of your comments brings me to another matter - medicating children. Done far too often, imo. Makes me mad. :mad:

first off ama bad care at home can quite often be the societys fault and not directly parenting, tho that will ofcourse lead to bad parenting.
and as others stated chlds that may have problems inside may not be the parents fault either. very sad story when POLICE uses lethal weapons on kids


bring the mothers back home :cool: