Psychic attacks & Abuse/Harassment

[drael]

Many people have come to this site, under psychic attacks or other forms of harassment and abuse. A central forum to deal with these may be a good idea IMO (could contain basic info about psychic protection, and background on various forms of abuse).

People are attacked by negative entities, by magickal/psychic groups and the ptb themselves - these people need magickal, visualisation and other psychic tools for protection, and they need support.

Many people are also victims of harassment, "SRA", abuse and the abusive magickal initiation process. Whether ur theory is mind-control, or something supernatural these people definately need support. And a central place to discuss the theories and issues (and ways of coping) would help here too IMO.

Just a thought...What does everyone think?

[lookfar]

Hi drael :)

I think that's a good idea & would be of real benefit to many people here :)

[deca]

Think people suffering from mind control & electroinc harrassment should go to one of the many dedicated sites and talk to another vicims and find help and support from them and join groups of other victims on yahoo ect...There is a enough disinformation and crap spread on here and so called "techniques".

[indigo]

How do you know when you are being attacked psychicly etc?

[deca]

How do you know when you are being attacked psychicly etc?



I am not attacked psychicly but by use of electronics ELF (Extremely low freq.microwaves) called V2k(voice to skull) or microwave hearing or RF hearing or frey effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

Probadly done by the militry complex/security services goverment agency

as you can guess useing phylogical techniques,voice changers and voice morhping software this can be most distrbing and confusing for the target

They can read your thoughts and get other bio information back so they can target you very effectivly knowing what makes you tick and also hit you hard when you are most vunarable.Also they know the system and use your evoroment and the situation you are in agaist you talioring your downfall.

They aslo can effect your body give pain/pleasure/movement
also alter your brain electronicly drug you.

Also any electronic gear you have can be messed with.

when I first came aware of this I did not feel myself felt spied on,suggestable/heard voice that I did not no whare they came from,felt I was picking up some kind of interference from mobile phones other ariels/sat dishes. I did not know nothing about mind control and electronic harrassment so I look at finding bugs and source close to me, ripped my house and electronics apart and racked my brain at what and who was doing this to me even thought of teletphy and other stuff, the perpertoitors played along with this stearing me into trouble and discredting/confusing me on the way.

[indigo]

I am not attacked psychicly but by use of electronics ELF (Extremely low freq.microwaves) called V2k(voice to skull) or microwave hearing or RF hearing or frey effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

Probadly done by the militry complex/security services goverment agency

as you can guess useing phylogical techniques,voice changers and voice morhping software this can be most distrbing and confusing for the target

They can read your thoughts and get other bio information back so they can target you very effectivly knowing what makes you tick and also hit you hard
when you are most vunarable.Also they know the system and use your evoroment and the situation you are in agaist you talioring your downfall.

They aslo can effect your body give pain/pleasure/movement
also alter your brain electronicly drug you.

Also any electronic gear you have can be messed with.

when I first came aware of this I did not feel myself felt suggestable/heard voice that I did not nowhare they came from,felt I was picking up some kind of interference from mobile phones other ariels/sat dishes. I did not know nothing about mind control and electronic harrassment so I look at bugs and source close to me, ripped my house and electronics apart and racked my brain at what and who was doing this to me even thought of teletphy and other stuff, the perpertoitors played along with this stearing me into trouble and discredting/confusing me on the way.
Bloody hell how weird. Interesting link too. Sometimes on waking I hear voices as clear as a bell but I never know what they are saying as they seem to be speaking in arabic or something, but as you say, It's like being tuned into a radio or something, or like hearing other peoples mobile phone conversations as sometimes I hear two way convos. God knows what station I'm tuned in to then. It doesn't happen often but it's very odd when it does.

I'm wondering if this is linked to alien abduction of something.

[deca]

I would also check here http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca/ and other mind control & electronic harassment sites, you might of been targeted by one of their sick programs. Hopefully you are not,but if it happens more often then please check it out,they like to confuse you and pretend to be alsorts in the early days ghost,aliens,police,friends and neubours.



Technological harassment can include:

* Sabotage/hacking of computer equipment and phones
* Use of audio and/or video surveillance to keep track of the target's whereabouts
* Banging and tapping of walls, windows and objects inside the house
* Vibrating objects, such as bed, chair or body parts
* Inexplicable behavior of anything electronic including TV, computer, car, and appliances (for example, TV turning on or off by itself)

Targets may experience the following physical symptoms:

* Dizziness, weakness
* Frequent headaches
* Extreme fatigue
* Intense, disruptive ear ringing
* Buzzing or clicking in the head, ears or sinuses
* Jolts and jerks to muscles
* Abdominal pain/nausea
* Mental confusion/inability to concentrate


There are other explanations to what you are expriencing so don`t worry or get parinod but check this out in case you get other symptons
god knows what kind of projects they are running with this kind of illeagal covert technology.

[tinmenace]

Lapis started a thread on psychic attacks HERE (http://spiritual-nature.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=40&topic=571.0)

[deca]

I am not a fan of new age thinking,think a lot is just the same old bullshite with and new cover on it.I don`t like the Ascension crap, think its bullshite and dangerious ,Nothing wrong with being informed and knowing exploring your own mind and medition and stuff but please its just like a lot of old worpship based religions do as we tell you and when you die go to heaven crap,please its pushed a lot with all these self preclaimed experts and egos bragging how high up there are on there road to enlightment and stuff.

[indigo]

I would also check here http://www.c-a-t-c-h.ca/ and other mind control & electronic harassment sites, you might of been targeted by one of their sick programs. Hopefully you are not,but if it happens more often then please check it out,they like to confuse you and pretend to be alsorts in the early days ghost,aliens,police,friends and neubours.




There are other explanations to what you are expriencing so don`t worry or get parinod but check this out in case you get other symptons
god knows what kind of projects they are running with this kind of illeagal covert technology.I will check that site out thanks. I have many of those symptoms at some point, but mainly the buzzing and clicking. Also I'm wondering if whatever it is can possess you if you know what I mean. Like totally get in your head and make you say and do things you wouldn't normally do. Have you had that? I also see lots of orbs silver ones in the sky. Or am I confusing it with something else? it's really confusing, so yeah I have that symptom alot (confusion).

EDIT; Something really odd happened the other night which I will speak about at another time. I've wanted to say it but been to scared because I do think my mind is being read, I hope I'm not being paranoid in thinking that.

[deca]

Like totally get in your head and make you say and do things you wouldn't normally do.

yep,they can throw me agaist a wall,if I am in the right frame of mind (been worked over) and weak and more under there influence.

what they have is more advanced done by remote

A remote control that controls humans (English audio)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0E9llkZIU

Galvanic Vestibular Stimulation (GVS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oefVaHDo5xg

yep I have to close my mouth incase I speak out aload sometimes

http://www.mindcontrol-victims.eu/
Symptoms:
Sleep Disturbance, Forced or Artificial Dreams, Auditory Effects (sounds, noises etc.), Jolts, Muscle Spasms,
Muscle Cramps
Burning sensations
Tingling sensations
Runny Nose when interacting with people (unexplained by ENT, Internal Medicine & Allergy specialists)
Sneezing
Flu like Symptoms
Headaches
Blurred Vision
False Heart Attacks
Sexual abuse using the technology
Hot and Cold Flashes
Other Symptoms of a similar nature

Reports from victims worldwide have similar patterns which can be clearly seen.
It has been said that individuals can suddenly be attacked by neurological pains, nauseas, extreme strong emotions (fear, anger, euphoria), vivid dreams, bizarre sexual manipulation, audio effects, and seeing strong visuals. Combined with total hacking and control of electronic devices (computer, car, electronic apparatus) selective interception of e-mail, telephone conversations. The victims often tell how their glances are followed, their thoughts are read and their motorics controlled


I am a member on here, I don`t use the forum much but the yahoo group is were most of us hang out and keep intouch


As I say you are probadly not under attack but only you can decide that,but being informed about it can only help.

[deca]

I also see lots of orbs silver ones in the sky
I have also seen a lot of wierd shit, so don`t worrie, you just don`t know what thease bastards have flying around, I leave not far from BAE systems warton were they make & test typhon(eurofigter) and stealth fighter(Taranis) and god knows what else. Also these DEW can cause all manour of wierd side effects on you and the envirorment

[indigo]

Thanks for those links. It's shocking what goes on, it really is. Is it something you have to live with now for the rest nof your life? Or can could it go if you move away. What I mean is, Do they target specific people? Would you still get this if you moved?
This is all new to me, I have heard of Mind control but didn't know to what extent it can be used.

[alison]

wherever you believe the interference is coming from it is still massively debilitating when you are targeted and I need to feel I can go somewhere to get help and knowledge to fight this stuff so I'm in favour of Draels sugestion

:D

[drael]

wherever you believe the interference is coming from it is still massively debilitating when you are targeted and I need to feel I can go somewhere to get help and knowledge to fight this stuff so I'm in favour of Draels sugestion

People always seem to focus on the "what" and the "how" of things. It makes no difference to me what people beleive, whether its electronic mind control or psychic attacks or SRA. Thats their experience, and theres no need or use in invalidating it - in fact, that IMO is a serious lack of sensitivity, and also open-mindedness. Peoples experiences are not mis/dis-information, they are their experiences.

If heard people recount terrible psychic attacks and come here asking for help. Ive heard of the SRA and mind control theories VS the initiation/insanity generating theory of harassment/abuse/manipulation. Ive also heard from people like deca, who have experienced electronic harassment. It may be these things have some common ground, or not. Thats hardly the important part. The important part is to gather information, and support - these people come here, scared lost and in need of help.

There is a enough disinformation and crap spread on here and so called "techniques".

Seriously deca: dogma! Have u heard of having an open-mind? We are supposed to sit here and listen politely to your story of electronic possession, and yet disregard a story of psychic attacks??!!?? How would u feel id it was the other way around? (Id guess pretty invalidated...)

You know, to me, these experiences all sound alot like parts of the mystic experience/awakening. Persecution and manipulation by evil forces is in the universal conciousness and mystic experience - as evidenced by either a hundred mystic books, a trip to the local "nuthouse", movies and TV or a little jungian psychology. Ive been through some evil/manipulation type experiences in my own mystic awakening. But thats me.

Im not interested in converting people to my beleif system, my interest here is helping people, in any way i can, that appear to be very frightened and confused. Validation is alot of what people want during any experience of this sort.

[deca]

Seriously deca: dogma! Have u heard of having an open-mind?

Sorry people that go through mind control & electronic harrassment get pissed off with people telling us it can`t happen, ether in person or over the internet, plus we have to put up with a lot of disinfomation ether spread by other TI`s untentionally ,paid agents to distroy our creditabilty, other so called truth seekers and also people trying to explain it by other means ie ghost,Psychic attacks,aliens and some sort of mental illness.

I know you mean well.I need to expose this silent hollocoust and get people to reconise it so people take the proper action and also help people who many be being attacked to inform them and put them intouch with other TI`s before they get thier lives runined.I do not what to mix up mind control & electronic harrassment with other things ok.

[deca]

Is it something you have to live with now for the rest nof your life?
As far as I know yes they harrass you everyday me nearly 4years
I have not heard of a TI that has escaped or had it stopped, if they have they have keeped quite or dead infacted that what the perps try to tell you death is the only way out.

Or can could it go if you move away. What I mean is, Do they target specific people? Would you still get this if you moved?

Not as far as I know it is world wide,they have tracked me everywere I have been in the uk, I know other TI`s who regulary go to europe but still get hit, even know Chinease people who got hit in the uk and leave to go back home to china at get hit there too.One of there tricks is to convince you its just a little local problem and if you move it stops but that is to move you away from your home your local area,friends,family,job and fimaliry surroundings plus run down your fienaces and you will not be given much help if you turn up in an new area asking for help if you not lived there for long.(ie council house,medical,MP`s).Where can you not get a mobile phone signal and GPS these days,how big is a sat footprint!!!

Some TI`s seem to know why they get targeted, I still trying to figure that out,Think because nobody would believe I am a target and there could be other reason to explain my odd behaviour,The CIA did the same under MKultra picking on unsuspecting victims that would not be believeid to experment on.

[deca]

I would probadly like to add a bit on mind control and electronic harrassment,I need to up date and review what I have posted over the last year and bit I have learn`t a lot.I just don`t what to fluff the issuie ok, people under mind control and electronic harrassment Kill,get killed,tortured,abuse,harrassed life and family runined ok, Its real,sick and has to stop.Thats why cathy 'O' brian and Mark call it the most dangerious game.I don`t want to scare people a lot of victims live with this, some more than 15-20 years and still counting,Some other people might get a brief experience not sure if its linked I just don`t know what kind of programs they are runing.

[deca]

I have been given alot of thought off what/why this has happened to me resently and how to organise all that i have been through and make a new thread up of how i see it.

I was going over in my mind of what happened to me, I feel in that the begegin that they were trying to influnce my behaviour without me knowing and lying the grounds too cover things up if there test went wrong which they probly did.Before being concuisicous of this I felt the need and urge to go up town and go to the job centre and libary set an example to others,this was strange because I had a job but I did anyway?
Also I used to download music and games of the internet.
Again I felt the need and urge to go up town and go buy a cd I almost felt pushed there ?(there more to this buying cd story, it backfired in a big way but will try to explain another day)was these test to see if this technology could some how be used to alter behaviour and stop people doing things that the power at be don`t want us doing and see to be a good thing? so it can be leagalizied and sold to us in future?

[chicken]

u know, to me, these experiences all sound alot like parts of the mystic experience/awakening. Persecution and manipulation by evil forces is in the universal conciousness and mystic experience - as evidenced by either a hundred mystic books, a trip to the local "nuthouse", movies and TV or a little jungian psychology. Ive been through some evil/manipulation type experiences in my own mystic awakening. But thats me.

Im not interested in converting people to my beleif system, my interest here is helping people, in any way i can, that appear to be very frightened and confused. Validation is alot of what people want during any experience of this sort.

I have looked into this stuff the awakening v mind control so the psychic v the electronic. I can say that they are one and the same but it comes down to your belief system. There was a pointinhistory where the cross over was exploited. I am now truly bi lingual and see that the fringe groups connected to the new age brigade are the cover for this stuff. I am like Deca a believer of it sitting purely in the science side rather than the spiritual. If you know anything about physics and fringe groups that they have exploited the notion of the lack of religion having much meaning in a technological run society thus we now have technological fringe groups replacing the older mainstream groups that run a lot of the belief systems now. I see that there is some confusion with some belief systems when things get mixed up, thankfully sites like this open peoples minds. I have learnt a lot from being here as well.

I am awakened to many things and have been shocked at what I have discovered. My so called awakening means I am aware of stuff that is not common knowledge thus meaning I am not in a good position. Gnostic or hidden knowledge (occult) is worrying when surrounded by people who essentially do not want it to get out in the public mainstream....

Converting people...... the paradigm shift........I have managed to to that and more.....this makes me a target for much shit to come.....

chicken

[marpat]

I am not attacked psychicly but by use of electronics ELF (Extremely low freq.microwaves) called V2k(voice to skull) or microwave hearing or RF hearing or frey effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect

Probadly done by the militry complex/security services goverment agency

as you can guess useing phylogical techniques,voice changers and voice morhping software this can be most distrbing and confusing for the target

They can read your thoughts and get other bio information back so they can target you very effectivly knowing what makes you tick and also hit you hard when you are most vunarable.Also they know the system and use your evoroment and the situation you are in agaist you talioring your downfall.

They aslo can effect your body give pain/pleasure/movement
also alter your brain electronicly drug you.

Also any electronic gear you have can be messed with.

when I first came aware of this I did not feel myself felt spied on,suggestable/heard voice that I did not no whare they came from,felt I was picking up some kind of interference from mobile phones other ariels/sat dishes. I did not know nothing about mind control and electronic harrassment so I look at finding bugs and source close to me, ripped my house and electronics apart and racked my brain at what and who was doing this to me even thought of teletphy and other stuff, the perpertoitors played along with this stearing me into trouble and discredting/confusing me on the way.

Can you give some information to suggest why the military would want to spy on you? are you a threat to the government or national security? you sound slightly insane to me

[drael]

Sorry people that go through mind control & electronic harrassment get pissed off with people telling us it can`t happen, ether in person or over the internet, plus we have to put up with a lot of disinfomation ether spread by other TI`s untentionally ,paid agents to distroy our creditabilty, other so called truth seekers and also people trying to explain it by other means ie ghost,Psychic attacks,aliens and some sort of mental illness.

This is the same experience of those who are being psychically attack, or other phenomena. They too get accused of being insane, offered alternative explainations etc. The point of creating a common area, was that the focus would be on validation and sharing - which is useful to all parties IMO. If anyone gets on anyones case when it comes to stuff like this, i know ill give them a peice of my mind!

I know you mean well.I need to expose this silent hollocoust and get people to reconise it so people take the proper action and also help people who many be being attacked to inform them and put them intouch with other TI`s before they get thier lives runined.I do not what to mix up mind control & electronic harrassment with other things ok.

Well i meant no offence. There is of course deep irony between your actions and your position here. You are using this thread, which is titled very broadly (including all those things), to distinguish yourself and promote awareness (which is exactly what u could use the forum for). In my mind, that seems useful, from what u say about peoples veiws.

Staying on dedicated forums is useful, as it does provide that validation, support etc (and again, im not sure if their are decidated forums for all of these things). But it does not promote awareness, or reach those without info, like it would here. People do come here, with all these things, with no idea what is happening. You could then point those with electronic harassment, to support forums etc.

I am like Deca a believer of it sitting purely in the science side rather than the spiritual.

I dont see science as seperate from spirituality :) Whether its a person, or a torsion/scalar wave generator, the wave produced is the exactly same. All can be explained by equations, or mechanics and experiments, or can be experienced in meditation. I dont not understand such a distinction, really.... And of course, its up to people to make their own determination as to whats happening to them, with all the available info. (whether u see it as disinfo or not, people must see with their own eyes, you cant do it for them)

I see that there is some confusion with some belief systems when things get mixed up, thankfully sites like this open peoples minds.

Beleif systems are just windows, or coloured lenses to the truth. None see clearly, all see through windows. It could be, these phenomena have not yet been given the correct theory of explaination.

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I disagree with the whole notion of an "authority" on any issue. And i really did not make this thread for anything connected to ideology. What i saw was lots of confused frightened people coming here, i thought it would be a good idea to have somewhere they can turn. Even if ideological conflict occurs, i still see it as beneficial to have some form of "door-way" or entry point to understanding and validation - which IMO is very important to anyone with an "outside experience". (As well as an avenue for information, and awareness promotion).

Arguing against anothers experience, is the exact opposite of the validation u urselves seek. Its hypocritical. I do understand this "hard stance" on your reality, in a world that denies your experience - but that hard stance will do exactly the same thing to others with a different experience. It would be wise to learn from this IMO and not repeat the same mistake - ie be open to the experience of others. Ive had alot of these "outside" experiences myself. I know the denial of others of your reality can be damaging and very hurtful/isolating. Please dont repeat the behaviour of "reality denial" that uve been hurt by. The world doesnt need more "experts", or "judgements", it needs more good open-minded listeners.

you sound slightly insane to me

I think as time goes on, i think this will become a compliment :) (ie sanity will be the state one wants to avoid - the sleepy state that resembles having just been wacked with a large bit of wood)

[armoured_amazon]

Fear is weakness in one's armour. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world.

[drael]

That doesnt seem useful im afraid.

Let me illustrate. I am afraid of dying, for example. How does that statement help me? Is total confidence in my supreme power supposed to just leap into me with that sentence?

Ive never met anybody without fear, we all fear death at least and if a sentence or single concept could erase that fear - well obviously it cant...

And if i was about to die, and was afraid, i would consider that statement patronizing and dismissive.

[armoured_amazon]

That doesnt seem useful im afraid.

Let me illustrate. I am afraid of dying, for example. How does that statement help me? Is total confidence in my supreme power supposed to just leap into me with that sentence?

Ive never met anybody without fear, we all fear death at least and if a sentence or single concept could erase that fear - well obviously it cant...

And if i was about to die, and was afraid, i would consider that statement patronizing and dismissive.

No total supreme power isn't supposed to leap into you with that statement. But I am of the understanding that when people post in a thread, they post their own opinions, not those of someone else in order to find acceptance in the receiver of information provided. I don't fear death and I know plenty of others who don't. Fear is not a necessity. Also, fear is an open door to many other states of external manipulation. I reiterate, fear is not a necessity; it's a choice.

[drael]

I don't fear death and I know plenty of others who don't. Fear is not a necessity. Also, fear is an open door to many other states of external manipulation. I reiterate, fear is not a necessity; it's a choice.

If u dont fear death, would u mind drinking some poison for me?

You fear nothing? what if i were to torture u? would u fear being locked in a small box for the rest of your life? if i killed all your family? what if i destroyed the earth? (i obviously intend no harm sister, but i am more than a little incredulous about u having no fear)

I never said fear wasnt a "choice", what i was expressing is that awareness of that fact helps not one bit when one actually fears. Fear is not a concious decison it lies far deeper in the mind/soul.

But I am of the understanding that when people post in a thread, they post their own opinions, not those of someone else in order to find acceptance in the receiver of information provided

People do not receive that with they do not relate to or understand. They can be hurt or offended by that which shows no understanding. There are real people in these situations, with real feelings. That is really all. You may have an opinions on hitler, but one would be careful what one says around survivors of the holocaust.

[armoured_amazon]

If u dont fear death, would u mind drinking some poison for me?

If I am aware prior to consumption that it is poison, then I am committing suicide which is forbidden.

You fear nothing? what if i were to torture u? would u fear being locked in a small box for the rest of your life? if i killed all your family? what if i destroyed the earth? (i obviously intend no harm sister, but i am more than a little incredulous about u having no fear)

My God will protect me, remember. ;)

I never said fear wasnt a "choice", what i was expressing is that awareness of that fact helps not one bit when one actually fears. Fear is not a concious decison it lies far deeper in the mind/soul.

I truly believe that everything is a choice, even deep-rooted beliefs. I should perhaps have explained fear better; the natural biochemical self-preservation response is inherent, but the fear that we talk about in daily life is usually a conditioned response to experiences we've had. I used to have a LOT of fears, believe me.

People do not receive that with they do not relate to or understand. They can be hurt or offended by that which shows no understanding. There are real people in these situations, with real feelings. That is really all. You may have an opinions on hitler, but one would be careful what one says around survivors of the holocaust.

Fair point about how people receive information. I think one can only have no understanding if one has not experienced and everyone has experienced fear in their lives. But everyone can choose whether they want to continue experiencing it when and if they realise the negative effects it has on them and weigh up the balance of whether they want to live by those constraints. And I would imagine anyone who survived something like the Holocaust would have no need for the constraints of fear as they have surely experienced far worse horrors than anyone could comprehend. Anything after that would be a minor hurdle.

Perhaps fear can be narrowed down to the unknown result of an action or occurence?

[drael]

Your entitled to your beleifs, sister. I hope u recognise others are entitled to their own experience and beleifs. I have absolutely no wish to debate the nature of fear, or metaphysical reality with you. I merely wanted u to express tolerance, patience and understanding, to some people who rarely get it and are often in quite distressed states. Just a little grace, is all i wanted sister...

[armoured_amazon]

Your entitled to your beleifs, sister. I hope u recognise others are entitled to their own experience and beleifs. I have absolutely no wish to debate the nature of fear, or metaphysical reality with you. I merely wanted u to express tolerance, patience and understanding, to some people who rarely get it and are often in quite distressed states.

I generally post in the manner that regular forum traffic dictates, depending on which forum I am visiting. When in Rome etc.

[drael]

So are u reveiwing this dismissal of compassion in your actions now? Or justifying it?

I know - you know; what is right here.

May your heart open like a flower to love, sister. And I apologize if i have offended you.

[armoured_amazon]

So are u reveiwing this dismissal of compassion in your actions now? Or justifying it?

I know - you know; what is right here.

May your heart open like a flower to love, sister. And I apologize if i have offended you.

No, I am saying people post more factually here than elsewhere. For example, opinions are stated as facts; posts are to-the-point, not filled with compassion at all, and people take offence at others exhibiting the very same posting style that they display themselves. Perhaps I see it more clearly as I am not a regular poster. I am unable, however, to be inauthentic. It is easier to lurk than fall into line.

And my heart is open. Sadly, the hearts of many here are closed in suspicion and paranoia; an irrefutable opinion which I deem as fact, due to experiencing the effects of this firsthand.

Peace.

[drael]

No, I am saying people post more factually here than elsewhere. For example, opinions are stated as facts; posts are to-the-point, not filled with compassion at all, and people take offence at others exhibiting the very same posting style that they display themselves.

So other people make u act a certain way how exactly? Im not sure this really addresses my request for displaying compassion...

I am unable, however, to be inauthentic. It is easier to lurk than fall into line.

Why would u need to be inauthentic? I still dont understand how others can make u act without compassion....

Sadly, the hearts of many here are closed in suspicion and paranoia; an irrefutable opinion which I deem as fact, due to experiencing the effects of this firsthand.

All the more reason to show compassion. If people are hurting, they need compassion - not judgement, as expressed here!

I always show love and understanding. I never deny anyone elses experience - unless they deny someone elses. Whats so hard about that?

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And deca & chicken who posted prior, sorry about the derailing; my last response is on page 3.

[marpat]

So other people make u act a certain way how exactly? Im not sure this really addresses my request for displaying compassion...



Why would u need to be inauthentic? I still dont understand how others can make u act without compassion....



All the more reason to show compassion. If people are hurting, they need compassion - not judgement, as expressed here!

I always show love and understanding. I never deny anyone elses experience - unless they deny someone elses. Whats so hard about that?

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And deca & chicken who posted prior, sorry about the derailing; my last response is on page 3.


Compassion is not the answer for being weak. Sometimes people become unstable because they fear things that may or may not be. People who are suffering inner fears and turmoil often need to be exposed (in small doses) to it in a way which will cause them to see their fear for what it is, often no more than a shadow in their mind. People need to seek balance and use a bit more logical thinking and analysis to see things for what they are.

Find your centre and try to achieve mental and emotional balance. Do not let your thoughts run away with you and if they do then bring them back to you, absorb the emotion then balance it out.

A lot of psychic attack stuff is created by fear in the minds of vulnerable people and then amplified by their fear. I have a little knowledge of these things so can speak with some confidence. True psychic attack is a very rare thing and will cause more than a state of fear.

[drael]

People who are suffering inner fears and turmoil often need to be exposed (in small doses) to it in a way which will cause them to see their fear for what it is, often no more than a shadow in their mind.

Everything is a shadow of the mind, including ur veiw on what is "real" or "not", which is undeniably subjective - as are all such veiws.

There is more to heaven or earth than you or i will ever know.

Anyway, i know u practice magick, as do i. Many people would say that isnt real - but direct experience "proves" otherwise. No-one is without their personal experience and beleifs. And yet, still everyone attacks everyone elses experience - even though they wouldnt want others to do the same. It is strange strange human conditioning IMO (It also closes the person ur talking to from listening to you, making it also completely pointless).

Find your centre and try to achieve mental and emotional balance. Do not let your thoughts run away with you and if they do then bring them back to you, absorb the emotion then balance it out.

This however is good advice IMO. One should always ground in physical activity, sleep, mundane processes or mindfulness in situations of intense thought or emotion. The mind needs rest, and can become cyclic without this rest (we all know what these loops feel like). Anyone, in any stress situation can benefit from a little mindfulness, a little centredness. I know ive found this invaluable at times - and i recommend it to anyone under any kind of outside experience, it helps one accept what one is going through and deal with it more effectively emotionally. I found things like chores, swimming, eating, showering, walking etc very good. Or just noticing details on an object. Mindfulness just helps intergrate any experience.

[deca]

Can you give some information to suggest why the military would want to spy on you? are you a threat to the government or national security?God knows what goes through the military thinking these days with the war on terror we are our guilty in there eyes!!!,I beleive they just what to test the technology on me, knowing that they can get away with it,if I was somebody that you would expect to be spied on then my story would be more believe able and they would not be able to run/test there sick programs on me would they, plus I would be in a better postion to defend myself.

[chicken]

I do not think its just military either in my case its the medical. Either way it is psychological warfare and is psychiatry based or even psychology.

chicken

[marpat]

I do not think its just military either in my case its the medical. Either way it is psychological warfare and is psychiatry based or even psychology.

chicken

Why test such things on civilians? the military has test facilities where they pay service people money to undertake risky tests to prove new equipment and methods. Nothing new in that and some service people have died as a suspected result of such things.

[deca]

Why test such things on civilians?
Hmmm maybe they plan to use it on civilians in our streets on a wider scale....human sims anyone!!!! look at the miltrnation of our police for the war on terror "scanners" in school bio metrics ,minority report cctv cameras ect....

[eternal_spirit]

Can you give some information to suggest why the military would want to spy on you? are you a threat to the government or national security? you sound slightly insane to me

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:DThe only insane one here is you. Master baits :):rolleyes:


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[true]

God knows what goes through the military thinking these days with the war on terror we are our guilty in there eyes!!!,I beleive they just what to test the technology on me, knowing that they can get away with it,if I was somebody that you would expect to be spied on then my story would be more believe able and they would not be able to run/test there sick programs on me would they, plus I would be in a better postion to defend myself.

can you take a minute to share some of your experiences? i've had non-physical stuff happen to me too (just this morning yet again) but i don't think it's "them". I've seen some crazy shit and felt some even stranger sensations in my body. Sure I guess it could be the govt, but I think it is just me doing what I am supposed to do. Everything is always all in our heads.

[turquoisefyre]

peeps, i agree fully that we are getting hammered by forces that do rituals that send negative energy to destroy us...

however, there is something else we need to check and that is our DIETS.

no, i'm not talking about losing weight...get rid of the MSG, Yeast Extract, excessive sugar, Aspartame, TOO MUCH TV and COMPUTER, EMF, SOY, not enough greens in our diets to make our bodies less acidic, cutting out the flouride etc...

this is one we we can keep our vibrations up, and will be less prone to fall when attacks happen...

[drael]

peeps, i agree fully that we are getting hammered by forces that do rituals that send negative energy to destroy us...

however, there is something else we need to check and that is our DIETS.

no, i'm not talking about losing weight...get rid of the MSG, Yeast Extract, excessive sugar, Aspartame, TOO MUCH TV and COMPUTER, EMF, SOY, not enough greens in our diets to make our bodies less acidic, cutting out the flouride etc...

this is one we we can keep our vibrations up, and will be less prone to fall when attacks happen...

There is overlap here in what can be done, regardless of the "what". One can eat healthy food, live in life and love and goodness, for body mind and soul. In pure positivity, such things, technological or otherwise IMO cannot touch u.

Blessings and peace...

BTW why the lesbian imagery in ur avatar? just curious! :)

[marpat]

Many people have come to this site, under psychic attacks or other forms of harassment and abuse. A central forum to deal with these may be a good idea IMO (could contain basic info about psychic protection, and background on various forms of abuse).

People are attacked by negative entities, by magickal/psychic groups and the ptb themselves - these people need magickal, visualisation and other psychic tools for protection, and they need support.

Many people are also victims of harassment, "SRA", abuse and the abusive magickal initiation process. Whether ur theory is mind-control, or something supernatural these people definately need support. And a central place to discuss the theories and issues (and ways of coping) would help here too IMO.

Just a thought...What does everyone think?

My thoughts are that most cases of psychic attack are false in that they are not specific attacks created consciously to harm people. If somebody is angry with another person and broods on the anger then the victim can affected by this brooding emotion even if the attacker does not believe in such things.
I think a lot of people who claim to be harrased are suffering from a degree of mental illness. What happens is that they often don't want to look at themselves and uncover some inner complex so they look outside of themselves for causes. If there is nothing obvious and they are aware of magic or conspiracy theories they will begin to feel they are being attacked.
The trouble is that they generally do not look at the evidence such as why, how, where, and because they do not deal with the mental problem it just continues and creates paranoia.
I would never accept the ideas of somebody saying they were harrased unless I had some idea of their state of health and can give plausible evidence to support their ideas.
There are standard things to look for in psychic attack that anybody investigating such an occurence will look for.
The very first thing a person needs to do if they suspect anything is to take a hard, honest look at themselves, eliminate any obvious problems such as felling unhappy or unloved (which can cause all sort of emotional problems).
In order to have a good idea of what you are dealing with you need to eliminate all possibilities and that can mean coming to terms with things that may make you uncomfortable.
I think it is completely wrong just to start claiming spiritual/ magical harrasment without even carrying out a proper investigation.

[drael]

My thoughts are that most cases of psychic attack are false in that they are not specific attacks created consciously to harm people. If somebody is angry with another person and broods on the anger then the victim can affected by this brooding emotion even if the attacker does not believe in such things.
I think a lot of people who claim to be harrased are suffering from a degree of mental illness.

I afraid i dont really beleive in mental illness, as put forth by the DSM-IV. I understand what ur getting at, but i think id put it another way. People tend to externalise all truth, as is typical in our society, experience is supposed to come from the outside. Problem is experience comes mostly from the inside. By this defination most people would "be mentally ill" - externalising what is internal (like beleif in materialism for example becomes "fact", or the idea that chocolate "makes" u happy), are probably more likely so without the diagnosis.

The trouble is that they generally do not look at the evidence such as why, how, where, and because they do not deal with the mental problem it just continues and creates paranoia.

I would strongly recommend against looking at 'evidence' or 'how or why'. This is another form of externalisation, the notion of 'proof' and the notion of 'materialism', mere fairytale IMO, and being the person is now so close to the truth, the inside experience - the direct experience, that is where they should find their 'answers' not again outside.

I would never accept the ideas of somebody saying they were harrased unless I had some idea of their state of health and can give plausible evidence to support their ideas.

There is no such thing as "proof" at all. Childrens fairytale. There is beleif, and ur choice whether to or not - an internal experience based process. YMMV!

I think it is completely wrong just to start claiming spiritual/ magical harrasment without even carrying out a proper investigation.

Ive been through experiences like these. IM experience, there was much more to be found than "loneliness" or similar, but rather mystic truth. I found that letting go of concepts and preconceptions was the was through, not going back to the old ones, like egoism, empiricism or materialism.

Theres a very good reason why validation is important in these situations. The person feels threatened by people who cant see what he does. The inner experience is real, for the experiencer. Given that, they will not hear or listen to your objection at all, they will in fact ignore u or feel threatened by you if u ignore their experience. Part of why mental hospitals are so hopeless. The pain of this kind of denial is intense - in these states, very very intense. The same goes for a child waking from a bad dream, one doesnt say "its all in your head u silly fool!", one says "dont worry the trolls cant get u now!".

BTW, what experience do u have with "mental illness"?

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

yes diet is very important- ur body is made of energy-at the quantum level-the chinese called it Qi,Japanese ki, vietnamese Khi, Indians prana, muslims barraka-anyway everything physical is made of this stuff including what u eat so u are literally what u eat and it will reflect how srtong u are at defeding ur self from attack.
There is also a meditaion i learned from a reiki forum which has saved my life from a psychic attack from a friend of mine-

go outside breath in a piece of the sun-draw it's eenrgy down to u and then create a shield around u with it- then use som of that energy to send it back along the links that have been created and brake them-do not have hate in ur heart for ur enemy-love them and it will this meditation will work wonders-also do not try to harm them with this energy just brake the links and make the shield- if u get too hot from this meditation take a cold shower-not a hot one.
good luck

[armoured_amazon]

yes diet is very important- ur body is made of energy-at the quantum level-the chinese called it Qi,Japanese ki, vietnamese Khi, Indians prana, muslims barraka-anyway everything physical is made of this stuff including what u eat so u are literally what u eat and it will reflect how srtong u are at defeding ur self from attack.

I concur.

[marpat]

Drael what is the point of this thread?

You ask what people ideas are on psychic attack but you just dismiss them when they don't suit you. I guess this is a closed question thread and not intended for people who might upset the status quo. Either believe that the attacks are external or get out.

'I don't believe in mental illness', I mean WTF are you saying here. It is so blatant in the world that to state that is a strong indicator that you have had some and you are in denial, thinking that your conspiracy theories are telling you what is really happening. Typical sign of somebody not strong enough to deal with the horrors within their own mind.

It would seem to me that all you want to do is try and justify people psychological illness by saything that it is definitely somebody doing something to them. By telling people who might by mentally unwell that their problems are external (with no evidence) you are just prolonging their suffering.

When you say that people are threatened by what they can't see then yes they will feel that but it does not mean to say that there is a person behind it. A person suffering from anxiety can feel like this but to ignore the possibility that it is a problem within self and then just automatically assume that they are being terrorised by an external source is just wrong.

All I said was to eliminate the possibility that some mental problem can cause. Depression causes people to see things with a particular spin, but as you don't believe in it there is no point in discussing it. How do you kow that mental hospitals are hopeless? do you have any psychology/ psychiatry experience or qualifications so that you can make a valid judgement? don't you think that people who pay for councelling would dump it if they found that it gave them no help? I am not a car mechanic so for me too say that mechanics don't know what they are doing is wrong.

The mind is like a system of lens' and mirrors. If they are damaged or discoloured then they will not see things correctly. You have to make sure that your mind is not under some cloud of depression, anxiety, hysteria, etc before you can trust what it is telling you, other wise you will just colour your judgement with the emotion imbalance of the problem.

I am interested in psychic attack and have has some experience so if it would be interesting to hear what people have to say.

[drael]

Drael what is the point of this thread?

I thought a forum for people to get help, in whatever form, and support would be useful.

You ask what people ideas are on psychic attack but you just dismiss them when they don't suit you. I guess this is a closed question thread and not intended for people who might upset the status quo. Either believe that the attacks are external or get out.

I dismissed nothing, i rebutted what was asserted. I never asked for opinions, i simply saw people suffering and thought a central place for help might be a good idea. I have no opinion that is relevant or helpful, on the metaphysical nature of other people on the other side of the worlds experience! It is their experience i am interested in, and helping them. U perceive a specific kind of problem, i perceive people whod like help. My personal opinion is that these are features of "awakening", nothing external at all, but my opinion is mine to keep and wont keep me from offering support to others - or validating their experience. After all, i am not omniscient.

'I don't believe in mental illness', I mean WTF are you saying here. It is so blatant in the world that to state that is a strong indicator that you have had some and you are in denial, thinking that your conspiracy theories are telling you what is really happening. Typical sign of somebody not strong enough to deal with the horrors within their own mind.

Opinionate as u will. In my experience, mental illness doesnt exist, these are visionary states and totally misunderstood. I have no mental horrors, i am centred and happy freind.

It would seem to me that all you want to do is try and justify people psychological illness by saything that it is definitely somebody doing something to them. By telling people who might by mentally unwell that their problems are external (with no evidence) you are just prolonging their suffering.

No my approach is nothing like that. Validation, is not "telling somebody" something, it is simply accepting what is said and experienced - by them. "telling somebody" is what psychiatrists do, what religions do, what materialists do and im dead against it. I honestly see little merit in discussing my veiws with you here, unless u are curious perhaps? Then i would be happy to elaborate for you. Of course im not the only one saying this stuff, their are other academics and other awakened people who agree with me, and the techniques of mindfulness & positivity/love/validation. There was an article on here about it recently....

How do you kow that mental hospitals are hopeless?

Was in one, twice. Had "psychosis" AKA kundalini/mystic awakening.

do you have any psychology/ psychiatry experience or qualifications so that you can make a valid judgement?

Im just about to finish my psychology degree. Spent lots of time studying dsm-iv etc. Mental illness - its shakey and assumptive science largely built on the concept of "hysteria" in woman, ie emotion. Anyway, one doesnt need a degree to know mind, one only needs to explore it directly.

The mind is like a system of lens' and mirrors. If they are damaged or discoloured then they will not see things correctly.

What is seeing "correctly"? Isnt it all coloured lenses?

You have to make sure that your mind is not under some cloud of depression, anxiety, hysteria, etc before you can trust what it is telling you, other wise you will just colour your judgement with the emotion imbalance of the problem.

People never trust what their _mind_ is telling them. And if u do, u end up in mental hosptial half the time. People would rather trust other people for some weird reason than their own mind. People need little more than love and support and "insight" in situations of pain. None of these things is delivered in pill form, and labelling "diseases" etc, doesnt help the process itself, of healing, one bit. Feedback is still the most reliable/effective method (ie validation!).

I am interested in psychic attack and have has some experience so if it would be interesting to hear what people have to say.

Excellent. I have never been psychically attacked, but ive talked to lots of people with the experience and i know what its like to be judged by having an "outside" experience. I would love to get this topic back on topic...

[marpat]

OK, good answers, but I still believe that there is mental illness. Is prolonged depression a natural state? I would say it is not therefore I would say it is mental illness. I do not think that people are damaged goods for having such problems but I do believe that to know if they are being externally harrased they have to be sure they don't feel oppressed by pressuers in their own mind.

I do agree with you that some of the problems are due to awakening. I am glad to see that you don't feel the problems are all external.

How did you come to the conclusion that your psychosis was a kundalini effect? there are many times I have considered the whole kundalini as a metaphorical journey as it is not a requirement for development. Did you have the physcial symptoms or just the mental ones? I was big into this stuff a long time ago then got more interested in Dzogchen stuff.

You are correct about not needing to study psychology, just experience the mind. It's amazing what you can learn just from observing it. If you don't mind me asking, where are you studying? I agree that psychology is not an exact science.

When I mention lenses being discolured I mean by pre-exiting condition such as bias. I know you cannot always eliminate every factor but to me unless every possibility has been looked at then the answer will be elusive.

You asked people in the first post what did they think. Is that not asking for an opinion? I gave mine

How can you not trust what you mind is telling you. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't and that is where you need a bit of discernment. If somebody points a gun at me then my mind will tell me that I am likely to be shot, then why not trust what my mind is telling me? if my mid tells me I am under the control of some space ray then I would be mad to trust it.

And to get back on topic the two basic types of psychic attack are:

1) Intentional, where a person has fallen foul of a group or individual who knows how to manipulate subtle forces they deliberately constructs an attack;
2) Unintentional, where a person who has built up a lot of emotion, say anger, about an individual then broods on that emotion while picturing the individual. They do not even have to believe in mind power for this to work. This is obviously very common. The modus operandi is that the thought becomes empowered by the emotion and then unites with the the person in whose image it has been shaped.

[drael]

Ahh it seems we are meeting our ideas :)

OK, good answers, but I still believe that there is mental illness. Is prolonged depression a natural state? I would say it is not therefore I would say it is mental illness.

IMO Prolonged depression is the result of negative psychic energy, which is ever present in the modern world. Of course such energies can be deflected and controlled, but not easily. These energies influence everyone, even those who appear not to be "depressed", as is evidenced by massive amounts of what is essentially self-destructive behaviour, such as seeking happiness through things etc (when happiness is inside, like a switch!). In a sense, what is often regarded as "dysfunctional" is the first emergance of function - the begining of recognition that perception is a lense that one chooses. Depression, in this way is a more clear and honest veiw of reality (although not yet clear). Its a whole different paradigm of thought, so "treatment" becomes about seeking insight and using mental techniques like mindfulness, rather than "return to normality", which to me, is not a desirable state.

I do not think that people are damaged goods for having such problems but I do believe that to know if they are being externally harrased they have to be sure they don't feel oppressed by pressuers in their own mind.

The external/internal distinction isnt really that useful when applied in a conventional sense IMO. It is useful IMO not to ascribe absolute or literal qualities to every thing experienced, including the physical world. This will prevent one from "acting" apon a misinterpretation of an experience, essentially the same result of "differientiation", but without the giving "external" undue reality. This kind of understanding is also key to gaining insight from a vision or experience. Its kinda like the spiritual/"afterlife" metaphor. These are two "layers" of reality, and distinct in their way, two "worlds". The transcendant reality is in fact higher in my experience, but one cant see that layer _clearly_ until one is getting decent insight and stops interpreting logically. The middle ground is where confusion can happen, not because of the visions, but because of logic and ego, general attitudes and the methods of treatment. Basically, such things are probably much better expressed in metaphor (like spiritual language for example) than in literal language - id rather not get someone into logic mental loops :) Acceptance and mental stillness is a big plus to anyone with negative energy in them - or anyone in general. If u know whats "going on in there" you can see clearly and fix ur own problems. And its easier for someone to see this themselves than have it explained, as with anything. Thats a few of the reasons why i wouldnt use the word "internal" and "external", because the reality is more continous, and also more thought, logic and catergorisation sorta removes the potential for real insight. People are far to busy and in too much of a hurry, thoughts like run-away trains. They have no awareness of their inner state, and so its no suprise we have all these problems to me, in people and in the world.

I do agree with you that some of the problems are due to awakening. I am glad to see that you don't feel the problems are all external.

Well to be honest, as u can prolly tell already, i dont beleive in an objective "external" as is traditional in our world.

How did you come to the conclusion that your psychosis was a kundalini effect? there are many times I have considered the whole kundalini as a metaphorical journey as it is not a requirement for development. Did you have the physcial symptoms or just the mental ones? I was big into this stuff a long time ago then got more interested in Dzogchen stuff.

I did mean in the more general sense of awakening, im not into intensely "catergorised" experiences, however there are certain physical symptoms that are in common, there are brain areas, CNS stress, lack of sleep etc, food/diet changes all sorts. Im not that informed honestly about kundalini specifically!

Heres a link http://biologyofkundalini.com/ This person was labelled "schizophrenic", and they go alot into the physical aspects and kundalini specifically - that may have ur answers on that topic. Also if ur interested, heres a blogspot (i think theres a few vids there about "this") by someone with "bi-polar". http://bipolar-or-wakingup.blogspot.com/ Heres is a good interveiw from the jungian point of view (jung rocks!). http://home.tiscali.de/alex.sk/mirror/dream.html

Also on the actual therapeutic front (apart from the jungian approach) theres also a therapy called "hearing voices" or similar that is also focused on the practical - mentally, rather than interpretation etc. (although this method is less insightful than the jungian angle, it is becoming quite well known now and is still much much better than the old approaches). Its little tricks like listening to music to stop bad voices, or making them give u a break for an agreed time(simple early mental transmutations, using props or expectations etc). Mindfulness is another therapy (essentially the basics of mental stillness, like meditation), that is slowly rising in popularity and relates to a real solution. I even managed to get this therapy (from a nurse, mostly after discharge) while in mental hospital - a life saver, truely.

If you don't mind me asking, where are you studying? I agree that psychology is not an exact science.

At auckland uni in new zealand. Well really no science is exact, they all just pretend they know things they dont actually! Thats why i like the soft science part much more- it admits the potential for being wrong. To me science is really an art, subjective. Apparently hermes-thoth gave us science, or so one story goes. He should have know wed make a mess of it! Best parts of psychology? social psych is interesting, mood/emotion and perception are interesting. Still a little interpretive but good. Biopsych, and the "harder science" aspects to psych - yuck!

When I mention lenses being discolured I mean by pre-exiting condition such as bias. I know you cannot always eliminate every factor but to me unless every possibility has been looked at then the answer will be elusive.

Well this comes back to the paradigm thing. Whether something originates in "you", or "outside you" is clear when one has inner vision, awareness of inner states. In fact, the more important thing, is not describing what is happening to you, but dealing with it positively - if one can focus on positive thought and control their inner state, having "will", neither a psychic attack, or a negative energy will effect you. In fact, if one is strong enough in positive self-created energy, someone can saw ur leg of and ull still be smiling!

You asked people in the first post what did they think. Is that not asking for an opinion? I gave mine

I am sorry. My intention was primarily to ask if people thought we needed a forum for such phenomena - for support, info and help. This sparked wide ranging metaphysic debate, perhaps because of my wording in part? Not sure, anyway sorry if i offended u, its just sometimes people are unaware of other angles at which to look at things. Thats quite natural- its a crazy blind world after all. But I love balance and honesty - i am a libra, and now a deep lover of truth and justice and life from my experience. And i also am learning what a stand this is to take "against" the world, to see with wholey different eyes, so it may be part "therapy"/adjustment for me!

How can you not trust what you mind is telling you. Sometimes you can sometimes you can't and that is where you need a bit of discernment. If somebody points a gun at me then my mind will tell me that I am likely to be shot, then why not trust what my mind is telling me? if my mid tells me I am under the control of some space ray then I would be mad to trust it.

Ahh, more tricky fun! Okay, ur mind has two parts. One contains the truth about experience, the other contains a bunch of lies we were sold as kids. If u listen to the lies part, u may get in trouble. For example, the gun pointed at your head. If there is a way out, one should of course seek it - one is more service to divinity alive, and life is beautiful or nice to experience. But if there is not, this cognitive idea "i am my body, if my body dies, all meaning leaves the universe", causes pain - deep deep pain. Ur better off to beleive in an afterlife! So in this case shud u trust what ur mind is telling u? depends on whether its useful and/or nice, or not! Now of course u know its possible u control a space ray. That hasnt been disproven. If u experience control of this space ray, then that experience is exactly as real as anything "physical". (or in fact far more, see below). Additionally, if u told someone else u controlled a space ray, its possible they will beleive u. In which case u have two people experiencing this reality. Such is the nature of symbols etc, they are more real than "the gun shooting u in the head", in the sense that they are directly absorbed and experienced by others - they create realities. Think of the channelling phenomena. How many people has this "crazy" idea become real for? Or religion? Or even science and materialism! Its all mental, all symbols, all internal. Again, is it useful, or good is the main concern. If its fun for u to control ur space ray, why not? If the space rays giving u trouble, u could use a little practice in stillness or in positivity - mental transmutation etc.

And to get back on topic the two basic types of psychic attack are:

1) Intentional, where a person has fallen foul of a group or individual who knows how to manipulate subtle forces they deliberately constructs an attack;
2) Unintentional, where a person who has built up a lot of emotion, say anger, about an individual then broods on that emotion while picturing the individual. They do not even have to believe in mind power for this to work. This is obviously very common. The modus operandi is that the thought becomes empowered by the emotion and then unites with the the person in whose image it has been shaped.

2) Like the "evil eye" sorta thing? On some level it happens everyday to all of us! if ur sensitive enough to notice it, thats a really good thing IMO.

BTW what kind of experiences did u have with psychic attacks?

[deca]

marpat how you would you decide if a person was under a real psychic attack(man made or other)or just have a mental illness?

would it be based on your opinion or what test would you do?


Remember the Pentagon admits they have the technology to do what many victims have claimed for years.

Pentagon report investigated lasers that put voices in your head
http://www.physorg.com/news122567894.html
link to full report (pdf) on web page


The report explained several types of non-lethal laser applications, including microwave hearing, disrupted neural control, and microwave heating. For the first type, short pulses of RF energy (2450 MHz) can generate a pressure wave in solids and liquids. When exposed to pulsed RF energy, humans experience the immediate sensation of "microwave hearing" - sounds that may include buzzing, ticking, hissing, or knocking that originate within the head.


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Putting voices in people´s heads could cause what the report calls "psychologically devastating" effects. The technology might even allow for communicating with an individual hostage surrounded by captors, although this would require "extreme directional specificity."

[marpat]

Drael, I quite like the way you express your ideas, not quite as crude as my own.

Although I have used the word illness this is generally meant as imbalance, not intended to be derogatory.

My experience of psychic attack is limited. The problem with knowing if any conditions are due to some attack by another mind are not always clear cut as they often bear the hallmarks of mental and emitional imbalance, giving the impression that the victim is unwell.

The requirements are an attacker, a victim, a rapport, and a motive. For there to be an attack there has to be a line of force between two parties so that the intent will hit the target. This is easy if the people know each other but if they are not familiar the attacker requires something that bears the victims vibrational frequency, generally some object the victim often uses.

The unconscious levels of mind will be aware of such an attack before the conscious levels are and this can cause bad dreams and feeling and a feeling of being overwhelmed or overshadowed, or being watched. Where an attack is serious it is said that nasty smells and sounds can manifest, but this is unusual.

Things that might indicate an attack:
A strong sense of fear and anxiety for no reason; recurring thoughts about specific people or groups for no reason; manifestation of sounds and smells that are nasty; activity occuring during the waning phase of the moon on a regular timescale.
It is also thought that past life occult connections can manifest in the present causing unpleasant psychic occurences and this can be taken as an attack.

This is the basic process. Obviously it can be more comple depending upon circumstances.

The unintentional type of attack could be something that people encounter daily and can manifest as a sense of malaise or unease regarding specific people, with or without any obvious reason. The effects of such attacks will alo depend on what type of peron you are. The more sensitive you are to feeling and emotions the tougher you are going to find it.

Another problem that can cause problems is that of vampirisim. It is all too easy to spend time around people then feel drained of all energy. Also, if you spend a lot of time with people whos minds are in all different states then it can be imbalancing and cause exhaustion. These are not uncommon psychic effects although people just see them as daily stress.

[drael]

Drael, I quite like the way you express your ideas, not quite as crude as my own.

Although I have used the word illness this is generally meant as imbalance, not intended to be derogatory.

Thank you freind :)

Probably words like "spiritual crisis", "stuck between worlds", ego/logic mental looping, or simply imbalance would be alot better than "mental illness" which really provides no insight or mechanism anyway. I see it as not a problem of experiencing visions etc, which is great, the solution and cure, but still being trapped in the illusion based ego/rationality conciousness - which is what causes "delusions" etc. (like the delusions humans live in every day!). So actually on the "illness" paradigm i would regard the general population as sick, and those who are actually diagnosed as being in the begining of recovery and wellness.

activity occuring during the waning phase of the moon on a regular timescale

Alot of the features on any of these psyhic phenomena etc are hard to "distinguish" in terms of "what" - if there ever is such a thing! This however is a fairly good one, black magick is counterclockwise movements and done during the waning moon.

The more sensitive you are to feeling and emotions the tougher you are going to find it.

Another problem that can cause problems is that of vampirisim. It is all too easy to spend time around people then feel drained of all energy. Also, if you spend a lot of time with people whos minds are in all different states then it can be imbalancing and cause exhaustion. These are not uncommon psychic effects although people just see them as daily stress.

This is very true. People generally are "anethetised" to their inner state, while it still causes pain they pretend it isnt real. So if someone is nasty to you, many people pretend it doesnt hurt, or dont notice why they are actually "moody". Oh i feel a bit down. Why? dunno! The sensitive person has a chance to notice their inner states, which might seem bad at first, but which as i am discovering allows one to pour light out from one and create energy rather than leech it or be passive. Its a simple as bearing a gentle smile and a kind way, and feeling sympathy as much as possible for the blinded. This protects one from the vampiric nature of the modern world, as people wake up for a few seconds when i say hi :) Funny all this thought transmutation stuff, it starts so dark and hard but just becomes easier and easier...And its all so damned obvious too!


And deca, i am curious. You and chicken seem to have a rough as time with this electronic stuff from what i can tell. What have u found that helps u deal with it? Is there somewhere/way u can get away?

[chicken]

And deca, i am curious. You and chicken seem to have a rough as time with this electronic stuff from what i can tell. What have u found that helps u deal with it? Is there somewhere/way u can get away?
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Cannot speak on Decas behalf, in my case nothing works which proves to me that it is inputted. The physical manipulation and pain is odd and annoying, with energy flowing all the time through the body....I am a typical victim from what I have read.....lots of what has been written about has happened to me. I cannot switch it off..I am not religious so that does not help...I am not spiritual either and see what the spiritual mumbo jumbo is a cover

they said that spirituality was the new science and as I said its a cover for population control. Its about psychpolitics and the concept is related to the Occult and Mkultra

Stay inside and keep your distance from everybody seems to work for me at the moment, but will cause problems as cannot get a job and earn a living. If I do get a job I am mobbed out of it and I just have through choice have limited my life to getting up, keeping the house clean, cooking, which includes making bread and doing some art work as was a teacher (art). Yep nice things to do but I want my life back..this is not my lifes purpose.

Looks like from others perspective that you are mentally ill because you want to protect yourself, so therefore staying in works. It is a matter of time before it all goes tits up because in the natural order of things that is how it works. You cannot live off air which means the services have to step in and want to get involved, fabricating stories can only last so long.

I am highly functioning, and can hold in depth conversations about a lot of stuff yes that includes ordinary stuff, accepting help will be difficult as then it is on record and that cannot be reversed so the hole gets bigger. So will decide as I get to each situation, but will need to be forearmed in some way for a range of eventualities..

so I could be getting out in nature before long. Literally?

Get away from it? No its done by someone else and the stalking by many others.....well that is something else, mobbing at work etc etc. How can you leave your body? the stalkers work on a rotational basis, and must involve a lot of people....the skits, the theatre, basically disgusting well worked out crap so that when you relay it, you sound odd. Its a way of killing off someone ultimately..

What as become very clear now is that my brother is a target and so is my dad. Both to some degree but to rather extreme individual situations.

All of us have been targeted by the idea of vechicle damage and mobbing. The pattern has emerged and that is not a coincidence. We all live in different parts of the country....so a national network has emerged by default but was told it was so as well.

Which also means that the only group which could do this has to have some connection with freemasonry, therefore covering a lot of services and people..

Popular opinions about not knowing much about this is bull, loads of people know about it in one way or another but have not realised that the picture and how it all connects together is in fact HUGE...

chicken

[turquoisefyre]

There is overlap here in what can be done, regardless of the "what". One can eat healthy food, live in life and love and goodness, for body mind and soul. In pure positivity, such things, technological or otherwise IMO cannot touch u.

Blessings and peace...

BTW why the lesbian imagery in ur avatar? just curious! :)

your'e right, but my time was limited so i wanted to add another reason to look after your physical health is because our "bodies" are basically these: physical, ethereal, astral, mental and spiritual. when we get psychically attacked, it would only benefit us to be as whole and strong on all levels as possible. if you are damaged on, let say the ethreal body, it could later physically manifest.(Esoteric Acupuncture : Gateway to Expanded Healing by Mikio Sankey http://www.amazon.com/Esoteric-Acupuncture-Gateway-Expanded-Healing/dp/096706371X)

oh, my avatar is not to promote homosexuality...i'm just a bloke that appreciates the girl's beauty!:)

[deca]

And deca, i am curious. You and chicken seem to have a rough as time with this electronic stuff from what i can tell. What have u found that helps u deal with it? Is there somewhere/way u can get away?


nobody I know has found a way to block or move away from this.

stuff I take/use

Ginkgo Biloba & Ginseng
B12 complex
daily multi vitimin
Bilberry (for the eyes)
I try to eat good health food ( eggs,bannas)

A qlink ( http://www.qlinkworld.co.uk/ )

Mp3 player binary beats hemisync
Neuro-Programmer 2 http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/
(I made my own up with positve messages, I used the demo and record the pc sound output with a another program....save disabled in demo)

try and stay positive and have a sense of humour

This can disconect you from your body and your surroundings,try nipping or touching your self,curl your toes, to bring focus to your body,walk barefoot at home/use foot masseger/soles( most senstive part of your body)

Don`t be panic or rush it doing things,try and think how others will view your actions

remember your emotions anger/fear ect can be switch on/off like a light switch
try not to think about stuff you get emotional about, or act out of pure emotion

Remember you are not alone,This is not your fault,the real crimals are using pyhological techniqies agaist you to turn yourself and others agaist you to cover up thier crimes and discredit you.


I also smoke roll ups!!!!

[amber_cat]

Ok I guess I am in the minority when I beleive that psychic attack can be both psychic and technological. In my experience I have always had a level of psychic ability and I have often been in situations were I felt 'attacked'. This could be from being drained of energy or feeling like someone was trying to out-psych me. I must say at this point I don't tell people I'm psychic and rarely work with people with it so some of this must go on on sub-conscious level. Therefore I can't be accused of trying to brain wash with new age crap cos I don't talk about my belief and anyhoo I'm not really in to new age stuff anyway. BTW - in my humble opinion I'm not mentally ill either. I have met far too many people in similar situations to believe that one!

Things that I have found that helps:
*Affirmations - retrain to subconcsious to accept that it wants to be protected (to be attacked on some level means your sub-conscious is permitting this. I know this can be hard for a lot of people to accept but thought creates.)
*Good diet - as said before you can maintain the integrity of your energy field better if you are taxing it with crap
*If you feel drained close your chakras - it will stop people feeding from them
*If you feel threatened stand in your 'hara' - the ball of energy between the navel and sacral chakras - if you concentrate on this it will automatically strenghten your energy field. A lot of martial arts work with this in mind.
*Psychic defense - I cover my house with an energy field to stop negative energies getting in. It does work!
*For me finally - no alcohol - it really puts the brakes on any internal work I do.

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

i offer help for this stuff :-) if anyone needs it- pm me or email me at kama_6@yahoo.com

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

marpat how you would you decide if a person was under a real psychic attack(man made or other)or just have a mental illness?


if a doctor tell u that u have cancer..it's his opinion isn't it? based on his experience? well thats how u decide-learn to work with energy then u will know....

[armoured_amazon]

Although I have used the word illness this is generally meant as imbalance, not intended to be derogatory.

Why do you interpret the word 'illness' as derogatory?

[mpeterson]

I am happy to find a place that has had and still is having a psychic and or electronic attach from who knows. Its been going on for 6 years now and i have moved across the state as well the town to get away from it. I have noticed that sometimes it helps a bit but over a week or so it seems to continue after that. I have the headach's as well ear hissing and ringing side effects. The harrasment happens in my car, home, work place, as well my parents home. I read all the posts on here so i understand what many people have going through. I been down the road when i thought i might have mental illness, but come to find out from some electronic test of audio sampling and sound wave analisis, i found that it is recordable and have hours of evidence and have it stored in a safe deposit box in my bank.

All this harrasment started after my family's house was arsoned and burned to the ground. We lost everything. Jumping ahead a little over a year after living in a rential house, some one arsoned my brothers truck out front of the house. At this time living in this home i had experienced massive attacks from this electronic harassment. I was not "aware" of what it was then and was showing signs of being mentialy, as i read from other posts from other victims that this is the side effects from the use of these types of equipment use.

I now have a place to express my thoughts of pain and how my day is doing since i tryed to talk to friends and family about it, but they just blow me off like i am some kind of ill person.

Thank you all for being here, as you are a life saver to me from what i read.

MP:)

[marpat]

I am happy to find a place that has had and still is having a psychic and or electronic attach from who knows. Its been going on for 6 years now and i have moved across the state as well the town to get away from it. I have noticed that sometimes it helps a bit but over a week or so it seems to continue after that. I have the headach's as well ear hissing and ringing side effects. The harrasment happens in my car, home, work place, as well my parents home. I read all the posts on here so i understand what many people have going through. I been down the road when i thought i might have mental illness, but come to find out from some electronic test of audio sampling and sound wave analisis, i found that it is recordable and have hours of evidence and have it stored in a safe deposit box in my bank.

All this harrasment started after my family's house was arsoned and burned to the ground. We lost everything. Jumping ahead a little over a year after living in a rential house, some one arsoned my brothers truck out front of the house. At this time living in this home i had experienced massive attacks from this electronic harassment. I was not "aware" of what it was then and was showing signs of being mentialy, as i read from other posts from other victims that this is the side effects from the use of these types of equipment use.

I now have a place to express my thoughts of pain and how my day is doing since i tryed to talk to friends and family about it, but they just blow me off like i am some kind of ill person.

Thank you all for being here, as you are a life saver to me from what i read.

MP:)

Don't you think you may be suffering from tinitus? that can cause a really nasty ringing in the ears.

[mpeterson]

I am sure. I saw the doctor about it and he said that i was fine. But it dont explain the sound of some one talking to me when i am driving my car down the road.

Like i said before. I know that i dont have mental illness so that possiblity is out the window. I think someone has installed a electronic reciever in my car to verbally harrass me and mess with my mental state.

If i told the whole story on here. it would take awhile to read.

MP

[deca]

mpeterson
I have noticed that sometimes it helps a bit but over a week or so it seems to continue after that. I have the headach's as well ear hissing and ringing side effects.

But it dont explain the sound of some one talking to me when i am driving my car down the road.


sounds like you under mind control & electronic harrassment
(electromagnetic harassment ,microwave hearing)

get intouch with other victims who know what you are going through
You are not alone ok

http://freedomfchs.com/

http://www.mindcontrol-victims.eu/

http://www.mindjustice.org/

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sm4csi/nwo/MindControl/Microwave.Harassment.And.Mind-Control.Experimentation.htm

[kesdin]

IMO, Drael's dribble is full of what I believe are qualities in NLP and other word hypnosis.

Ask yourself this, how do you feel after reading one of his posts? :(:mad:

[Jane643]

I have looked into this stuff the awakening v mind control so the psychic v the electronic. I can say that they are one and the same but it comes down to your belief system. There was a pointinhistory where the cross over was exploited. I am now truly bi lingual and see that the fringe groups connected to the new age brigade are the cover for this stuff. I am like Deca a believer of it sitting purely in the science side rather than the spiritual. If you know anything about physics and fringe groups that they have exploited the notion of the lack of religion having much meaning in a technological run society thus we now have technological fringe groups replacing the older mainstream groups that run a lot of the belief systems now. I see that there is some confusion with some belief systems when things get mixed up, thankfully sites like this open peoples minds. I have learnt a lot from being here as well.

I am awakened to many things and have been shocked at what I have discovered. My so called awakening means I am aware of stuff that is not common knowledge thus meaning I am not in a good position. Gnostic or hidden knowledge (occult) is worrying when surrounded by people who essentially do not want it to get out in the public mainstream....

Converting people...... the paradigm shift........I have managed to to that and more.....this makes me a target for much shit to come.....

chicken

Spirit can talk through the elecronics via your brain if people do satanic withcraft. so most masons are under spirit possession and microchipped, spirit can get in close if your energy field is weak and satanist invite negative spirits in to themsleves during their witchcraft they are now microchipping themselves and the microchip locks the entity in they are in for such a shock.

[mystiq_99]

There have been a few good ideas posted so far, but it seems that people really are trying to block expressing ways of sharing ideas for getting help from psychic attacks. This is a very good idea. The good news is, there must be very good methods available, or the energy of the forum wouldn't be under attack. I wish people would drop the discussion of whether the perceived attack is happening, or some internalization of mental problems, and actually give some advice. I just had an experience of what I call psychic attack, and I don't believe they had an item of mine as it was suggested earlier in post. Nor do I wish to go into the details because people seem to be coming on just to discredit peoples experiences or make them lose trust in themselves to call something what it is. The attack was relatively strong with strong energy being drained, headache and a general electric sensation. Really uncomfortable. And I had a flash of whence it came. Since I'm not advanced into gnostic or alternative psychic work, I approached it from my position of believing in God, and that we are never in this alone. As this has worked before. So my approach worked for me. I put an energy field around me and then thanked God for the tools given me to visualize this. Then I kept trying to reach my higher self which is whole and protected and each time I did this the attack lessoned but I was really feeling to weak. Then I thought to send them love, and pray for them to truly find peace and happiness in this life and eternity. For the child trapped within them to be made happy and whole, and for them to work for the good. And it was over very quickly then, my headache gone, energy back.
Now I really would like to hear of some techniques others use. Because my approach is only one approach and having a wide based knowledge would be very useful.

[thequestion]

i know where your coming from man. somebody has been getting in my mind, im sure of it... theres evil at work here.

[lemonique]

There have been a few good ideas posted so far, but it seems that people really are trying to block expressing ways of sharing ideas for getting help from psychic attacks. This is a very good idea. The good news is, there must be very good methods available, or the energy of the forum wouldn't be under attack. I wish people would drop the discussion of whether the perceived attack is happening, or some internalization of mental problems, and actually give some advice. I just had an experience of what I call psychic attack, and I don't believe they had an item of mine as it was suggested earlier in post. Nor do I wish to go into the details because people seem to be coming on just to discredit peoples experiences or make them lose trust in themselves to call something what it is. The attack was relatively strong with strong energy being drained, headache and a general electric sensation. Really uncomfortable. And I had a flash of whence it came. Since I'm not advanced into gnostic or alternative psychic work, I approached it from my position of believing in God, and that we are never in this alone. As this has worked before. So my approach worked for me. I put an energy field around me and then thanked God for the tools given me to visualize this. Then I kept trying to reach my higher self which is whole and protected and each time I did this the attack lessoned but I was really feeling to weak. Then I thought to send them love, and pray for them to truly find peace and happiness in this life and eternity. For the child trapped within them to be made happy and whole, and for them to work for the good. And it was over very quickly then, my headache gone, energy back.
Now I really would like to hear of some techniques others use. Because my approach is only one approach and having a wide based knowledge would be very useful.

Hi mistiq_99, your technique regarding your protection sounds pretty good to me.

I feel that calling up a Deity is a good thing.

I always 'ground myself' before applying an energy field around me, and I initially use white light through top of head and around the body, with a violet light around the outside of that.....then I put mirrors around the violet, to reflect back to the sender any and all nasties projected my way :)

Works really well. Once the nasties get returned to sender it's surprising how quickly things come to a halt! :D

Here's a link that may help....
http://manannan.net/occult/protection-basic.html
Psychic Protection Basics

Cheers
Lemonique

[lemonique]

Whoops.....meant to say, to place the mirrors around you facing outwards!!

Lemonique

[drael]

IMO, Drael's dribble is full of what I believe are qualities in NLP and other word hypnosis.

Ask yourself this, how do you feel after reading one of his posts?

Wow. Just wow. lol. I guess thats a compliment sorta? weird.

Ummm.

For psychic attacks a circle is protective, some stones such as citrine, people sometimes wear talismans like the pentacle. Salt and water can be used for clearing (mix and spinkle round home, especially portals). Incense and black candles are cleansing (pungent toxic incenses like datura or pepper or tobacco are good for banishing/cleansing). A little ritual helps with these things "cleanse this water, cleanse this house etc". U can find protection spells on the net that work.

Or more simply, The colours gold and violet are good for putting on the outside of your aura. Often just shaping and colouring ur aura helps. If something contacts u, u can ask its intentions thrice and it will answer and ask it to leave thrice and it will go. Or those are things that have helped me in the past...

As regards electronic harassment best ask the other guys here. Obviously emotional balancing/relaxation and good diet runs across the board. Grounding, or doing simple things like walking, doing chores without thinking or reflection (also called mindfulness or meditation) also seems to be very helpful with both situations. One doesnt want to get drawn in either way - try to remain centred as possible.

I still think theres alot of people on the net experience weird things, even some stuff to do with ascension, and alot of what ive gone through (which doesnt fall into these catergories) is a bit outside the "norm" and could use a discussion area as well really (OBES, NDEs, drug experiences, ascension experiences, alien abductions, the list goes on). And the attack/harrassment thing is pretty scary for the person IMO.

Okay, seeing as people are being condemned for being crazy (and hey ive been accused of mind control!) ill share on such weird phenomena as well (while ive not had any physic attacks), just to add my own crazy to the mix. Recently for several weeks i felt like i was being scanned (like by some high tech machine?) in my sleep. Dont know why, if it was real or what, but its something i experienced. Thats the nature of experience anyway, nobody has a fricken clue whats real. I get things like that all the time, and so do many others actually who are less prepared to admit it.

Anyway ive had lots of weird experiences, and i know that some of the above helps keep u sane (diet, relaxation, mindfulness). When weird stuff happens balance is important. And what would also help is some places on the net to share and get advice.

[king crass]

Jesus fucking christ! What is up with this new age bullshit garbage?! Look. People have been doing this bubble energy field protection thing for ages. If these protection techniques had any real worth, everyone who did it wouldn't still be troubled by these things for any period of time after doing them. In the dimensions beyond this one, entities respect free will. Just read some shadow people stories and you will appreciate what I am saying. This applies here in this dimension as well. Why do you think that the researchers who get killed are always the ones who blared on and on about being killed by the gov't? The solution is actually so simple it's hard. When you tell them that they are the ones with the power and not the government or whoever they just don't believe you. If you don't want whatever it is happening to you, then don't consent to it! Don't ALLOW it. Just think of it like an arm wrestling match of will. Literally. Sit yourself down, and think of how absolutely shitty you feel putting up with the situation you are in, and just put everything you got in your mind and just think, I don't allow this 10-15 mins a day for 3 days or so. Just do it sometime. It can't hurt to give it a go, can it?

[mystiq_99]

I always 'ground myself' before applying an energy field around me, and I initially use white light through top of head and around the body, with a violet light around the outside of that.....then I put mirrors around the violet, to reflect back to the sender any and all nasties projected my way :)

Works really well. Once the nasties get returned to sender it's surprising how quickly things come to a halt! :D

Here's a link that may help....
http://manannan.net/occult/protection-basic.html
Psychic Protection Basics

Cheers
Lemonique




I don't really know about reflecting it back. I believe God is the Everything. I recall once shielding myself and for some reason I instinctively made it a turn into a powerful reflector in my mind, and it was working. I felt their shock so to speak. But I felt the wrongness immediately and then asked God to instead purify this bad energy and instead asked for the healing and happiness of the entities or persons and again that episode ended. Further, until last year I wasn't really aware of attacks consciously. Its seems newish that people are going through these things more. Some of the things I've read that seem like different spiritual techniques are things I automatically begin to do and then stop myself, almost as if I know this stuff but need to focus my actions in a loving or service way even under attack. And also is it really psychic attack or some kind of electrical technology, cause so much is happening electrically. This year everything feels wrong somehow in the environment, atmosphere.

[mystiq_99]

my friend who follows her native traditions gave me sweetgrass and took me to collect cedar. Also she told me offer tobacco. But I can't really remember with these things now though.

[joegum]

Does anyone here have an idea as to what to do preemptively?

I hope this makes sense. It seems that as long as I'm operating at a diminished level, I'm left alone. But, when I start to feel really great, become really effective, feel really integrated, some energy sucking critter shows up from out of nowhere determined to pull me down. It's like they can see some sort of energy package about to be delivered to me and decide that they have the right to just step in front and take it. When they show up, they tend to be alcoholics with a sense of entitlement... TO ME! Typically, I'll have little or no past history with them and want no current history ( I can sense that they're not genuine. They seem parasitic.) Even screaming directly to its face, " I want nothing to do with you! Get the hell out of my life! Mind your own business! Go away! Leave me alone!" will be met with a blank stare and no hint of communication. They do get the message (I think), but completely ignore it. It's like something straight out of hell. These aren't your typical nice happy drunks... These are mean crazy drunks that have everyone else conned as to how normal they are. Or, it'll be an "organic portal" type (if you're familiar with this). Or, probably a blend of the two types. Circumstances usually have me cornered in such a way that simply walking away is impossible. It has to be as traumatic and destructive and prolonged and enervating as possible. This has been a pattern over my life.

I feel like I'm heading for another peak... like good things are about to be delivered to me. Like I'm becoming deeply integrated again. So... you see my concern.

Maybe this is just the human condition?

Any ideas?

Or, maybe I'm not making any sense?

Thanks,
-Joe

[boots]

Does anyone here have an idea as to what to do preemptively?

I hope this makes sense. It seems that as long as I'm operating at a diminished level, I'm left alone. But, when I start to feel really great, become really effective, feel really integrated, some energy sucking critter shows up from out of nowhere determined to pull me down. It's like they can see some sort of energy package about to be delivered to me and decide that they have the right to just step in front and take it. When they show up, they tend to be alcoholics with a sense of entitlement... TO ME! Typically, I'll have little or no past history with them and want no current history ( I can sense that they're not genuine. They seem parasitic.) Even screaming directly to its face, " I want nothing to do with you! Get the hell out of my life! Mind your own business! Go away! Leave me alone!" will be met with a blank stare and no hint of communication. They do get the message (I think), but completely ignore it. It's like something straight out of hell. These aren't your typical nice happy drunks... These are mean crazy drunks that have everyone else conned as to how normal they are. Or, it'll be an "organic portal" type (if you're familiar with this). Or, probably a blend of the two types. Circumstances usually have me cornered in such a way that simply walking away is impossible. It has to be as traumatic and destructive and prolonged and enervating as possible. This has been a pattern over my life.

I feel like I'm heading for another peak... like good things are about to be delivered to me. Like I'm becoming deeply integrated again. So... you see my concern.

Maybe this is just the human condition?

Any ideas?

Or, maybe I'm not making any sense?

Thanks,
-Joe

Hi Joe lems post is a good one, I use that and when I know I'm going into a situation that is dodgy I imagine/visualize myself in a mirrored pyramid or you can ask your spirit guide/Higher self/eagle spirit to go before you to clear the way for you.

What ever you feel that is right for you that uplifts you is right.

[americana]

I don't really know about reflecting it back. I believe God is the Everything. I recall once shielding myself and for some reason I instinctively made it a turn into a powerful reflector in my mind, and it was working. I felt their shock so to speak. But I felt the wrongness immediately and then asked God to instead purify this bad energy and instead asked for the healing and happiness of the entities or persons and again that episode ended. Further, until last year I wasn't really aware of attacks consciously. Its seems newish that people are going through these things more. Some of the things I've read that seem like different spiritual techniques are things I automatically begin to do and then stop myself, almost as if I know this stuff but need to focus my actions in a loving or service way even under attack. And also is it really psychic attack or some kind of electrical technology, cause so much is happening electrically. This year everything feels wrong somehow in the environment, atmosphere. GREAT comment.


This is an awesome thread. While I can't say that I'm being "attacked" by any supernatural forces, exactly, this thread has been a great help to me this morning. I had looked at this thread before, and I came here looking for answers today. For protection.

My next door neighbor woke me up again at 4 am talking VERY loudly, screaming, yelling, swearing on the phone. I assume that she's talking to her boyfriend. I believe that she's a very unstable person, and I've only spoken to her once about this ongoing behavior (since last summer, when she moved in). I also haven't spoken to mgmt here about it.

I just feel somehow encroached upon, psychically, emotionally, spiritually, by her anger, her horrible moods. Perhaps she can't help it and she is somehow possessed. I really feel that way. She needs help.

I was crying this morning, so frustrated, and my heart just hurt. (4th Chakra, I guess).

I'm going through so much in my life right now. So much pain, on the route to healing, and many changes ahead. I don't need this, but maybe I DO, in a way?!!!

This reaction to my neighbor's HATE and utter disrespect is almost like a sign that I need to move on, that I need to leave, that this place isn't right for me.

But this morning, after reading this thread, I prayed to God to protect me and to be with me today. I got the immediate message to "be attentive". I don't know what that means, but I will do my best.

[joegum]

Hi Joe lems post is a good one, I use that and when I know I'm going into a situation that is dodgy I imagine/visualize myself in a mirrored pyramid or you can ask your spirit guide/Higher self/eagle spirit to go before you to clear the way for you.

What ever you feel that is right for you that uplifts you is right.

Yes, her post is excellent with an excellent link. I also like your suggestion as well... Clearing the way before I go.
-Joe

[ufo_swatter]

What depresses me about this site is that the techno heads seem to be missing a very important point about the enemy, that is that they use magic.
All 'mumbo jumbo' is, is science not yet understood. The universe isn't lateral, quantum physics has given science a mere glimpse into the world of magic. The enemy is not fettered by restricted thinking, these are creatures of the mind, of the ether, who can shapeshift, who use subtle 'magical' energies to power craft, to control minds, to feed. They are closer to vampires than to ET.

I do agree that they use the human mind to create new realities and that resistance mentally is important, but it fails to realise just how powerful their mind control is and it isn't all projected by masts, they are I believe improving that technique, but the projections are not just physics, they are energy, like projecting living forms into the mind or projecting pure evil. Energy can be transmitted and some of their projections are energy forms, what might be called a thoughform. Living entities/reptilians can project energy themselves, just being near one or being touched can infest you, the masts are merely an extention of the occult powers they already possess.

It may be possible to will them away but what if it isn't, when will the notion be abandoned, when we're walking into the gas chambers?

These creatures don't just appear, they come here in ships the size of cities, they 'infect' hosts, mind control people, replace them. They have been controlling humans for thousands of years, building Earth up from a minor outpost into a fully fledged colony, playing at being Gods, creating religions to take us away from magic and connection to nature and most of all getting us to build a network capable of harnessing Earth energy on a vast scale, like a disease, taking us over and destroying us slowley.

They have changed the world from what it should be, to become a nightmare for us, subdued our minds and magic so that we cannot resist.

Science has its place in dealing with the science the enemy knows, but science is a dubious defense against a devil. These devils know science as well as the occult, a microwave shield will only be so much use. I have actually trapped one in a magically charged enclosure, watched as it tore up the room trying to escape, I've met one face to face and looked into its glowing red eyes. Aliens, devils, reptilians, all the same thing.

To be caught up in the science is to miss the reality of what they are and just how much power they have. They already control the show and if science is all we have to offer, then I think we've lost. They got there first, in fact they are feeding alot to us, like GM. Science is their thing.

[novymir]

What depresses me about this site is that the techno heads seem to be missing a very important point about the enemy, that is that they use magic.
All 'mumbo jumbo' is, is science not yet understood. The universe isn't lateral, quantum physics has given science a mere glimpse into the world of magic. The enemy is not fettered by restricted thinking, these are creatures of the mind, of the ether, who can shapeshift, who use subtle 'magical' energies to power craft, to control minds, to feed. They are closer to vampires than to ET.

I do agree that they use the human mind to create new realities and that resistance mentally is important, but it fails to realise just how powerful their mind control is and it isn't all projected by masts, they are I believe improving that technique, but the projections are not just physics, they are energy, like projecting living forms into the mind or projecting pure evil. Energy can be transmitted and some of their projections are energy forms, what might be called a thoughform. Living entities/reptilians can project energy themselves, just being near one or being touched can infest you, the masts are merely an extention of the occult powers they already possess.

It may be possible to will them away but what if it isn't, when will the notion be abandoned, when we're walking into the gas chambers?

These creatures don't just appear, they come here in ships the size of cities, they 'infect' hosts, mind control people, replace them. They have been controlling humans for thousands of years, building Earth up from a minor outpost into a fully fledged colony, playing at being Gods, creating religions to take us away from magic and connection to nature and most of all getting us to build a network capable of harnessing Earth energy on a vast scale, like a disease, taking us over and destroying us slowley.

They have changed the world from what it should be, to become a nightmare for us, subdued our minds and magic so that we cannot resist.

Science has its place in dealing with the science the enemy knows, but science is a dubious defense against a devil. These devils know science as well as the occult, a microwave shield will only be so much use. I have actually trapped one in a magically charged enclosure, watched as it tore up the room trying to escape, I've met one face to face and looked into its glowing red eyes. Aliens, devils, reptilians, all the same thing.

To be caught up in the science is to miss the reality of what they are and just how much power they have. They already control the show and if science is all we have to offer, then I think we've lost. They got there first, in fact they are feeding alot to us, like GM. Science is their thing.


Yeah, ya know, it's just too horrific. The Truth. For most. In other words: FEAR, (and ego) prevents the veil being lifted.
The thing is, once the FEAR is confronted, and True Self REALIZED, these things become powerless. But there's the problem of consensus reality...
These things will continue as long as a critical-mass of DENIAL is maintained. It may be possible for individuals to escape, but I am not so sure I want to leave unfinished business behind. Whatever happens, submission to it is out of the question, here or the next "world".

It comes down to, "believing" the "reality" they are projecting onto us, or KNOWING it's a LIE. And laughing at their attempts of presenting oneself with their worst nightmare as reality. "They" know our fears, they implanted them.
It's all part of a very sophisticated game, what it boils down to is higher-dimensional beings taking advantage of a much higher intellectual capacity, and the fact that they are fully aware of and have easy access to the 3rd dimension, which is a component of the 4th, but we generally cannot perceive or comprehend the 4th. But we can, actually.
Some people claim to have had obe, astral-travel etc, maybe, maybe not, Knowing what I know, I have no reason to think they were not being manipulated, those that come back and say everything's okay, we just need to think "positive" and we're here to "evolve", learn lessens etc, why would "them" not want us to "don't worry, be happy"?/?, while at the same time imposing the Hoax of dualism/polarity on us?

We have been traumatized, all of us. "They" are not in complete control-- there is something much more REAL and True everywhere and Within, that is what they seek to destroy, but it cannot be destroyed, only denied or rejected, THAT being the Creative Spirit of LOVE-FORGIVENESS-LIFE=TRUTH Within. That which conflicts with IT is error.

Those that can't even accept the tech mind-control/abuse that the human slaves of that consciousness are using against us, who find it "unbelievable"- incomprehensible, ignore the plain facts and evidence that it exists-- and they would what?, assume it is NOT being used for malicious purposes? What a fairyland, you will be "rewarded" for your obedience(the pleasure-pain stimuli), as long as you serve a purpose for "them". But in the end, they will take over your whole being, you will not be allowed "individuality", and any who resist would be removed and re-incarnated as many times as it takes to beat down your will.

That is the goal. To take over our collective consciousness and make a jump in "scale". That is the true meaning of the pyramid and "capstone", they are separate, they can see, while we are blind, when the time is right, they absorb the mass below, and "we" become a "new" "One". An even larger separation from THE ONE. Repeat, repeat.
"They" will not succeed. "They" are ignorant of THAT above themselves. But, THAT, most certainly is not ignorant of "them".
Know Thyself-- Heal Thyself. Do not hate "them", pity them, for they know not what they do. Truely, how can they, when they don't even know who and what they are? They are acting out a false-identity. Which they project onto us, that of the predator/parasite. That is not the way of Creation.

[marpat]

Spirit can talk through the elecronics via your brain if people do satanic withcraft. so most masons are under spirit possession and microchipped, spirit can get in close if your energy field is weak and satanist invite negative spirits in to themsleves during their witchcraft they are now microchipping themselves and the microchip locks the entity in they are in for such a shock.

What an absolute load of shit that it.

[marpat]

Jesus fucking christ! What is up with this new age bullshit garbage?! Look. People have been doing this bubble energy field protection thing for ages. If these protection techniques had any real worth, everyone who did it wouldn't still be troubled by these things for any period of time after doing them. In the dimensions beyond this one, entities respect free will. Just read some shadow people stories and you will appreciate what I am saying. This applies here in this dimension as well. Why do you think that the researchers who get killed are always the ones who blared on and on about being killed by the gov't? The solution is actually so simple it's hard. When you tell them that they are the ones with the power and not the government or whoever they just don't believe you. If you don't want whatever it is happening to you, then don't consent to it! Don't ALLOW it. Just think of it like an arm wrestling match of will. Literally. Sit yourself down, and think of how absolutely shitty you feel putting up with the situation you are in, and just put everything you got in your mind and just think, I don't allow this 10-15 mins a day for 3 days or so. Just do it sometime. It can't hurt to give it a go, can it?

It could be that the energy bubble method has some use but is most likely limited by other factors. There are many things in everyday life that would degrade such a shield. There is also the fact that a lot of people who feel they are under attack are actually being disturbed by their own repressed energy complexes, which they then try and attribute to an external source. Needless to say, psychic defence methods wont deal with externalisations of ones own mind.

[quetzalcoatl]

I do believe there are really 'energy vampires' out there.. They abuse, lie & generally have a negatively orientated mind-set.. I must emit it does sometimes get the better of me.. but deep down I kinda know why they do it.. they them-selfs are hurting or have been hurt - or are simply scared & unable to resonate with higher frequencies of Love - so go about dragging everyone else around them down in some-sort of competitive energy-stature race.. sometimes quite obliviously..

I've learned a trick tho.. & it's soo simple.. wen they dragging ya down or constantly affirming your own weaknesses (I'm nay whining, but story of my life! - nuffin new for me here.. :p) - "Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye".. It takes tremendous amount of faith in yourself to take it as a compliment - yet IT REALLY IS!!! For we have all fallen short of the Glory of 'God'.. so in harassing & attacking another is simply a direct reflection of their own weakness & lack of abilities to 'overcome' & resonate Love - unconditional Love.. So they pull others down to their level.. So try take it as a compliment & know that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO-LACK OF ENERGY IN THIS UNIVERSE - so you can always get 're-charged' & develop Spiritually..

So let the 'Vamps bite' - secretly thank them & don't fall in the same trap they have of hating in return.. ;)

[aee02]

Hello. I think this thread is a good idea so we can share information and receive needed validation of our experiences in a safe environment. I do however wonder if the energy generated from other's vulnerablilities on this thread can be used to feed a psi vamp. (I'm not a professional on that kind of skill so I will leave it to experts on this forum to see if it is safe.) I never thought I would admit they exist (psi vamps) but I have had experience with such a person.

I do have a mental illness. Myself, my brother, and my mother all suffer from depression. There was an interesting point made earlier as to whether these experiences stem from mental illness. I can only speak for my own experience. I have had depression most of my life. I know my own triggers and I know how my body reacts to them. What I experienced was not a condition of my mental illness.

A few years ago through ignorance and bad choices I found myself under a psychic attack. Unlike depression where I feel like I am in a deep hole unable to climb out, this attack was more of an energy drain, like my battery was being drained. Emotionally, I was ok, but I was so tired and I could not find the energy to do some of the most simpliest tasks. I knew who it was because there was a psychic connection with this person. Part of it was my own fault because I connected with them and through ignorance did not know how to sever the connection and it pissed them off that I found out something about them they didn't want known-not that I would tell anyone. I felt guilty for acquiring that information that way.. Anyway, to confirm what I was going through, a co-worker who confided in me that she was psychic saw a shadow around me that felt threatened and was angry. She did not know what I was going through.

I am not a New Age person (and I am not criticizing that belief), as matter of fact I am a former clergy person, but I researched and discovered how to sever that connection, shield myself, and cleanse my aura. I think using a deity of worship can also do the job if it is something you believe in which gives you power over the attack, I just went with what worked for me, since I had left my earlier faith.

Thankfully this only happened once and I really feel for the people on this thread who have to endure this experience constantly. I am unable to be on my home computer often enough to respond to posts and I can't respond from my cheezy cell phone but I can read these posts there and I want to thank people for their courage to share their stories. I am learning so much from this forum. Ok. Thanks.

[quetzalcoatl]

Hello. I think this thread is a good idea so we can share information and receive needed validation of our experiences in a safe environment. I do however wonder if the energy generated from other's vulnerablilities on this thread can be used to feed a psi vamp. (I'm not a professional on that kind of skill so I will leave it to experts on this forum to see if it is safe.) I never thought I would admit they exist (psi vamps) but I have had experience with such a person.

I do have a mental illness. Myself, my brother, and my mother all suffer from depression. There was an interesting point made earlier as to whether these experiences stem from mental illness. I can only speak for my own experience. I have had depression most of my life. I know my own triggers and I know how my body reacts to them. What I experienced was not a condition of my mental illness.

A few years ago through ignorance and bad choices I found myself under a psychic attack. Unlike depression where I feel like I am in a deep hole unable to climb out, this attack was more of an energy drain, like my battery was being drained. Emotionally, I was ok, but I was so tired and I could not find the energy to do some of the most simpliest tasks. I knew who it was because there was a psychic connection with this person. Part of it was my own fault because I connected with them and through ignorance did not know how to sever the connection and it pissed them off that I found out something about them they didn't want known-not that I would tell anyone. I felt guilty for acquiring that information that way.. Anyway, to confirm what I was going through, a co-worker who confided in me that she was psychic saw a shadow around me that felt threatened and was angry. She did not know what I was going through.

I am not a New Age person (and I am not criticizing that belief), as matter of fact I am a former clergy person, but I researched and discovered how to sever that connection, shield myself, and cleanse my aura. I think using a deity of worship can also do the job if it is something you believe in which gives you power over the attack, I just went with what worked for me, since I had left my earlier faith.

Thankfully this only happened once and I really feel for the people on this thread who have to endure this experience constantly. I am unable to be on my home computer often enough to respond to posts and I can't respond from my cheezy cell phone but I can read these posts there and I want to thank people for their courage to share their stories. I am learning so much from this forum. Ok. Thanks.

Yeah! dem pound / square inch vamps are bad mutha fuckas! :D

Seriously.. what is a psi vamp??? :confused:

[aee02]

Yeah! dem pound / square inch vamps are bad mutha fuckas! :D

Seriously.. what is a psi vamp??? :confused:

Hi quetzalcoatl:
Witty response and I'm not just being sarcastic. As far as I know this is just an alternative spelling for a Psy Vamp. Psi Vamps can feed off emotional and pranic energy. They do this of course through psychic abilities and can feed off individuals or from a crowd. I'm not an expert in this knowledge and I can only speak from my experience. I hope this helps. Thank you for asking.

[quetzalcoatl]

Hi quetzalcoatl:
Witty response and I'm not just being sarcastic. As far as I know this is just an alternative spelling for a Psy Vamp. Psi Vamps can feed off emotional and pranic energy. They do this of course through psychic abilities and can feed off individuals or from a crowd. I'm not an expert in this knowledge and I can only speak from my experience. I hope this helps. Thank you for asking.

Ooops! of-course! - I should've got that.. :o guess I maybe thought it might've been something else I hadn't heard of yet..

I reckon tis a fine-line anyway.. there's plenty of plain cunts around & I wouldn't exactly consider them vampires per-say.. as-in get 'invigorated' by causing suffering on others.. you know the back-ward type whom can't take or relate to compliments.. they aren't exactly psychic vampires 'feeding on ya energy'..

Reckon in many cases tis a contrast thing.. if they are unable to resonate in Love they attack / harass people whom are, then perceive they have dragged that person down, which in-turn gives them the illusion of self image as resonating in love..

I'm nay expert either.. & TBH I haven't really done much research on it.. but juz maybe tis more a self-delusion - oblivious to how they treat others - & not necessarily consciously directly 'feeding' on others energy.. it might well be a thing where if they can't 'make it' they do their best to make sure everyone around sure can't either, consciously or other-wise..

I juz simply don't let anyone bother me anymore.. not out of lack of want to 'surrender energy' or a fear of 'being hurt' - juz simply cuz I know it ain't beneficial.. All I can do is work on my self.. strive to treat others how I'd like to be treated.. & not jump to 'judgments' or conclusions with people.. Juz simply know them by their fruits..

Alot of it is quite possibly simply really deep psychology.. so I wouldn't worry to much about being directly drained energetically (which might be where it starts - not that it would be 'purely self-inflicted').. there's a fair chance on some level - sub-consciously - victims have let or allowed the surrender of their 'energy'..

Juz my current thoughts - which are subject to change wen & if deeper understandings are reached. Thanks for sharing your experience & in-sights.

[aee02]

Ooops! of-course! - I should've got that.. :o guess I maybe thought it might've been something else I hadn't heard of yet..

I reckon tis a fine-line anyway.. there's plenty of plain cunts around & I wouldn't exactly consider them vampires per-say.. as-in get 'invigorated' by causing suffering on others.. you know the back-ward type whom can't take or relate to compliments.. they aren't exactly psychic vampires 'feeding on ya energy'..

Reckon in many cases tis a contrast thing.. if they are unable to resonate in Love they attack / harass people whom are, then perceive they have dragged that person down, which in-turn gives them the illusion of self image as resonating in love..

I'm nay expert either.. & TBH I haven't really done much research on it.. but juz maybe tis more a self-delusion - oblivious to how they treat others - & not necessarily consciously directly 'feeding' on others energy.. it might well be a thing where if they can't 'make it' they do their best to make sure everyone around sure can't either, consciously or other-wise..

I juz simply don't let anyone bother me anymore.. not out of lack of want to 'surrender energy' or a fear of 'being hurt' - juz simply cuz I know it ain't beneficial.. All I can do is work on my self.. strive to treat others how I'd like to be treated.. & not jump to 'judgments' or conclusions with people.. Juz simply know them by their fruits..

Alot of it is quite possibly simply really deep psychology.. so I wouldn't worry to much about being directly drained energetically (which might be where it starts - not that it would be 'purely self-inflicted').. there's a fair chance on some level - sub-consciously - victims have let or allowed the surrender of their 'energy'..

Juz my current thoughts - which are subject to change wen & if deeper understandings are reached. Thanks for sharing your experience & in-sights.

Hello:

Sorry for the confusion in spelling. Sometimes words can be very misunderstood and especially so when taken out of context. I will refer to "psy" from here on out. You are right. There are many people who knowingly or unknowingly drain us because of their state of emotion that is then subjected on us depending on how deeply we choose to be involved with that person.

I was referring more to those of the psychic types. I don't mean they are vampires like Lestat or anything like that.. I mean, they are people who feel they do not have enough of their own pranic energy to sustain themselves so they feed from others. Also not all psy vamps feed energy from people. There are those who feed from nature albeit it is not as fulfilling according to what I was told. Then there are people who donate their energy in a relationship with this kind of person. And there are those who "skim" energy off crowds so they are not aware of it. That sounds like a fine line to me. I dunno. I'm just sharing what I have learned. Some of it is hard for me to get my head around but I try to remain open-minded about it.

Well, I don't want to get off topic. I think this thread has the potential to create a lot of healing and validation.

Thank you quetzalcoatl, I appreciate your insights as well and your time. I need to shut down my computer for a while and spend time with the family. Hope you have a nice evening.
Peace friend

[quetzalcoatl]

Hello:

Sorry for the confusion in spelling. Sometimes words can be very misunderstood and especially so when taken out of context. I will refer to "psy" from here on out. You are right. There are many people who knowingly or unknowingly drain us because of their state of emotion that is then subjected on us depending on how deeply we choose to be involved with that person.

I was referring more to those of the psychic types. I don't mean they are vampires like Lestat or anything like that.. I mean, they are people who feel they do not have enough of their own pranic energy to sustain themselves so they feed from others. Also not all psy vamps feed energy from people. There are those who feed from nature albeit it is not as fulfilling according to what I was told. Then there are people who donate their energy in a relationship with this kind of person. And there are those who "skim" energy off crowds so they are not aware of it. That sounds like a fine line to me. I dunno. I'm just sharing what I have learned. Some of it is hard for me to get my head around but I try to remain open-minded about it.

Well, I don't want to get off topic. I think this thread has the potential to create a lot of healing and validation.

Thank you quetzalcoatl, I appreciate your insights as well and your time. I need to shut down my computer for a while and spend time with the family. Hope you have a nice evening.
Peace friend


Damn silly Psy Vamps! don't they know there's plenty of energy to go round? :D

Anyway, I'm juz trying to say that there's not much point in elevating these people to levels that aren't warranted - especially when it maybe perfectly explained by psychology.. ain't much use in giving them more power is all..

Also, especially when some of them do show a little spark of psychic ability, yet are totally incorrect in their interpretations.. & then go ahead with their retarded psychic insights (not referring to you BTW) in a lame attempt to hurt others.. I'm juz simply not sure how much energy they can gain form this.. from 'inflicting pain on others'.. wouldn't wana jump the gun - simply there's plenty of frauds out there doesn't mean they're vamping back teh energies.. but who knows?? - karma will catch up with them.. ;)

Never heard of skimming energy from cowards.. yet I supose it makes logical sense - in regards to this area of study.. To me there is nothing more depraved than a bully whom prays on the weak &/or vamps their energy - rest assured they will get wots coming to them.. ;) like-wise with cowardly false accusers too! - in-fact everyone will eventually get wot they deserve.. :cool:

Also, don't bloody worry bout the spelling confusion thingy.. I think your terminology is correct or something.. I googled it after I posted & skimmed over a few headings & took a quick look @ a forum dedicated to vampire studies - TBH I still didn't click it was psy-vampires.. LOL! :D Although it is plainly obvious.. I somehow still thought it might be something else.. tis true anyway! - juz didn't give it too much thought. :o I hope ya not positioning ya self into a sort of a 'victim role' type thing there?? cuz I dun play dat shit! :p

Of-course peace & all that stuff.. goes without saying! & wares off with teh saying.. ;)

There is nothing wrong or nothing to worry about.. if you could take juz one thing from this I so wish you could believe me on this; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF!!! - YOU HAVE THE POWER TO BE COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED BY THESE TYPES! ;)

& das how us vamps roll.. :D

[aee02]

Damn silly Psy Vamps! don't they know there's plenty of energy to go round? :D

Anyway, I'm juz trying to say that there's not much point in elevating these people to levels that aren't warranted - especially when it maybe perfectly explained by psychology.. ain't much use in giving them more power is all..

Also, especially when some of them do show a little spark of psychic ability, yet are totally incorrect in their interpretations.. & then go ahead with their retarded psychic insights (not referring to you BTW) in a lame attempt to hurt others.. I'm juz simply not sure how much energy they can gain form this.. from 'inflicting pain on others'.. wouldn't wana jump the gun - simply there's plenty of frauds out there doesn't mean they're vamping back teh energies.. but who knows?? - karma will catch up with them.. ;)

Never heard of skimming energy from cowards.. yet I supose it makes logical sense - in regards to this area of study.. To me there is nothing more depraved than a bully whom prays on the weak &/or vamps their energy - rest assured they will get wots coming to them.. ;) like-wise with cowardly false accusers too! - in-fact everyone will eventually get wot they deserve.. :cool:

Also, don't bloody worry bout the spelling confusion thingy.. I think your terminology is correct or something.. I googled it after I posted & skimmed over a few headings & took a quick look @ a forum dedicated to vampire studies - TBH I still didn't click it was psy-vampires.. LOL! :D Although it is plainly obvious.. I somehow still thought it might be something else.. tis true anyway! - juz didn't give it too much thought. :o I hope ya not positioning ya self into a sort of a 'victim role' type thing there?? cuz I dun play dat shit! :p

Of-course peace & all that stuff.. goes without saying! & wares off with teh saying.. ;)

There is nothing wrong or nothing to worry about.. if you could take juz one thing from this I so wish you could believe me on this; THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF!!! - YOU HAVE THE POWER TO BE COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED BY THESE TYPES! ;)

& das how us vamps roll.. :D

Good morning!
I just wanted to thank you for your post. Thank you for the advice on "vicitim role". I guess I could see where you might think that given what you have read from my posts thus far. However, it could be further from the truth about who I am. I was just reciting an experience I had in which at that moment I was the victim due to bad decision making on my part which I take accountability for.. The depression stuff is just a part of me like my thumbs. I deal with it. I was just posting to things pertinent in this thread. There is a difference between a victim and survivor and I consider myself the latter and just keep moving forward. You are right, its all about how you feel about yourself and that dictates the power others have over you.

Well this will probably end my posts on this thread. I do feel for those who are suffering and it has more to do with compassion that victimization. Take care and peace all that to you-and I do mean it.

[quetzalcoatl]

Good morning!
I just wanted to thank you for your post. Thank you for the advice on "vicitim role". I guess I could see where you might think that given what you have read from my posts thus far. However, it could be further from the truth about who I am. I was just reciting an experience I had in which at that moment I was the victim due to bad decision making on my part which I take accountability for.. The depression stuff is just a part of me like my thumbs. I deal with it. I was just posting to things pertinent in this thread. There is a difference between a victim and survivor and I consider myself the latter and just keep moving forward. You are right, its all about how you feel about yourself and that dictates the power others have over you.

Well this will probably end my posts on this thread. I do feel for those who are suffering and it has more to do with compassion that victimization. Take care and peace all that to you-and I do mean it.

Yea, no probs.. :) was more of a question.. was wondering why u thought u made a mistake? & apologized - wen it was me that made the mistake..

Oh well - c'est la vie..

All the best, my friend. :)