Enlighten Me

[alienspirit]

Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

I'm 36, live in England, UK, I have known of david icke since he was footballing (my father was a footballer too)and on the main stream tele, the purple shellsuits and the wogan show etc. etc.
I listen to him with an open mind then he kinda drifted off and I didnt hear from him again, several years back I found something regarding him, I did some sniffing around, started to come up with stuff he was talking about, a few of which I tended to think kind of the same way.

looked his website up now and then ever since, I came the other night, read a few posts, really wanted to post replies registered then had to wait for admin to clear my account :(

Anyway the short of it is, Ive had/have some (what others might regard as strange) experienceds in my life which leads to me think about the universe and everything in it differently to people I know, friends etc...

But I dont think Ive been bless with enlightenment, so can someone please wake me up to it, for me its not enough that people say....... everyones a healer (in psychic terms), or you can heal too, if you opened up to it.....
I'm open, I'm open...

I hear that everything is like the matrix, a holographic universe, was the big bang something else turning the on switch on and powering us/me up?

I read another post, where people were talking about auras, what they looked like etc... most people that replied had different stories to tell.

so please dont just tell me to wake up, show me how to wake up, its no good telling me to go reprogram my computer, if you havent told me how to program in the first place.....

[bigus_dickus]

Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

are you asleep right now?

[sniffle]

I'll see you when we get there ;)

To be honest, I wish I could help. Perhaps being awake is over rated. I could give you advice for things that work for me but one mans rubbish is another mans gold (or something). I think the first instance is the ability to speak your own mind a forum such a this is good training for that but speaking your own mind to friends and family etc takes a little more...I think its important to find the humour in everything but maybe thats just me.
If it were as simple as asking to be awoken then the whole process would be a lot faster! Communication and understanding is the key.
The idea is saturated with people who will tell you to wake up and then charge you £29.99 to tell you how to do it.
To me being awake is simply being yourself and having outlets and ways to spread your own truth.
Stay alert but not paranoid, practice listening, see things from other angles. Question everything. Learn from mistakes. Realise the value and potential in every passing moment. Sleeping is ignorance, but it can be fun so enjoy it when you have to but make sure you stay aware and in control.
Accept the opinions of others, you can learn from them too. If you have to enter a system of control (be it work, family, friendships, movies, themeparks, shopping) do it but don't switch off for a second...its comfortable to slip back in but it isnt the womb.
Talk to yourself, there are so many of you and each must have his say.

When you eat, think about whats going in. Don't just eat becasue your hungry.
Dont try and retain/live in a single emotion they all exist as one and counter balance eachother to much of one is unhealthy as is to little of another.
See how the things you do, the people you meet, the thoughts you have affect you. Witness this and again learn from it.
I could go on but again these are things that seem to work for me.
Being awake is not only self awarness it is of course awarness of your surroundings. Take nothing for granted. Don't stress to much about learning the be all and end all but prepare your spirit for what may come next. Do you think a catapillar knows it will die and become a butterfly?
When you see a child, imagine the world through their eyes.
Avoid financial contracts. If you fall out with a friend make up with them sooner rather than later...or else you could end up discussing the past in the future and totally miss the present.
Treat time as it is, a means of communication for appointments and self keeping but realise you can stretch any moment by being aware of it.
Realise the power of your mind but don't fear it. Respect your body and live with your handicaps. Allways be on the move. Mentally or physically. The quest for knowledge can never be complete for thougts are created faster than they are discovered, it is a matter of choice to take it or not. Saying that though the quest for knowledge is an extra activity and does not have to be undertaken by any soul wishing to awake, though it may come in handy for those who plan to awaken others.
Your own meaning is inside you and differs from the person behind you in the que, next to you on the bus or on the other end of the phone.
...That was cool.
x

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

We can give you enlightenment. But you can not accept it.

[resistance]

[QUOTE=alienspirit;272259]Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

I say there is many things that people need to wake up to.

Lets start with this one:-


1) NWO (fascist one world government) That aims to exterminate the worlds population by at least 2/3rds, useing war, genocide, famine, and disease while enslaving the remaining population in a one world religion, run by a select and unelected few.

[drakul]

[QUOTE=alienspirit;272259]Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

I say there is many things that people need to wake up to.

Lets start with this one:-


1) NWO (fascist one world government) That aims to exterminate the worlds population by at least 2/3rds, useing war, genocide, famine, and disease while enslaving the remaining population in a one world religion, run by a select and unelected few.


ALIENSPIRIT - this post above is really the main thing people are talking about on this site when it comes to being `awakened'. Icke is mainly a political events commentator but he brings in an interesting metaphysical element to his writings with his belief in Reptilian families controlling the world govt. for thousands of years, etc.

As for spiritual awakening - read, study, ponder and mainly find a like-minded spiritual practice group and MEDITATE and do yoga on a regular basis. Spiritual awakening is really about practice and personal experience. You can only get so much from a book.

[hutanic]

It is sleeping fool who thinks he can "wake up" someone by giving him some bits of information. I agree that one who wonders in conspiracy research community can find a lot useful and true information, but also a lot false info and ideas.

Gaining more knowledge about certain topic is only that and not an awakening, when you stop sleeping then you wake up, but most don't know that.

Those that think they can wake up anyone i suggest to them to wake them selves up, that is if they can.

[kblood]

Waking up is mostly realising that the world isnt what we are told. To what extend that goes is for each of us to decide.

I believe it is about beginning to figure out what is really going on, where is it the truth derails in day to day life? Is the medication we are given today helping us, or should we keep off any meds? Are the mainstream media showing us what we need to know, or what they need us to think?

Waking up is about taking a second glance at everything and try checking it out again to see if it really adds up. If it feels worth doing, then its probably because you are ready to begin looking into what is going on in the world, behind the cover mainstream news and public information.

[hutanic]

Waking up is about taking a second glance at everything and try checking it out again to see if it really adds up.

That is reevaluation. Once again waking up is when you stop sleeping.

I believe that this "wake up" term was made popular just so that it miss leads people who don't want to see what word actually means and add different view to it based on ideas promoted by many conspiracy researchers.

I am not trying to bash you, and yes taking second glance is important so that one can determine what way is he to take. But if people think that they achieved some big goal just by realizing few things about world surrounding us and all start parroting ohh I or WE woken up, then in my view, people are being easily mislead once more.

[kblood]

That is reevaluation. Once again waking up is when you stop sleeping.

I believe that this "wake up" term was made popular just so that it miss leads people who don't want to see what word actually means and add different view to it based on ideas promoted by many conspiracy researchers.

I am not trying to bash you, and yes taking second glance is important so that one can determine what way is he to take. But if people think that they achieved some big goal just by realizing few things about world surrounding us and all start parroting ohh I or WE woken up, then in my view, people are being easily mislead once more.

Waking up is a process, anyone on the forum actually fully awake?

My point is it has to start somewhere, and he seems to have been on the path for a long time. Im not to say when someone has realised the truth and so on, I can only give my best guess at what I believe.

[drakul]

That is reevaluation. Once again waking up is when you stop sleeping.

I believe that this "wake up" term was made popular just so that it miss leads people who don't want to see what word actually means and add different view to it based on ideas promoted by many conspiracy researchers.

I am not trying to bash you, and yes taking second glance is important so that one can determine what way is he to take. But if people think that they achieved some big goal just by realizing few things about world surrounding us and all start parroting ohh I or WE woken up, then in my view, people are being easily mislead once more.

As David Icke said - `they've gone from one MINDBOX straight into another'
It's important to check sources for ALL information - make sure it works for you and stay mentally objective and flexible.

[hutanic]

Waking up is a process, anyone on the forum actually fully awake?

My point is it has to start somewhere, and he seems to have been on the path for a long time. Im not to say when someone has realised the truth and so on, I can only give my best guess at what I believe.

Well there is process before it but moment of waking up is instant, and yes i would agree that probably none on this forum is actually fully awaken now since that soul would not spend its time here.

True most what we can do is share our beliefs or knowledge some times, but i just don't see mentality of "we are awake we know therefore we must tell other sheeple what truth is" ,that some people have, useful in any way. Not saying you are one of those.

[hutanic]

As David Icke said - `they've gone from one MINDBOX straight into another'
It's important to check sources for ALL information - make sure it works for you and stay mentally objective and flexible.

So true. Many fall for game of dropping from one set of ideas into another, or MINDBOX as David puts it.

[resistance]

Well there is process before it but moment of waking up is instant, and yes i would agree that probably none on this forum is actually fully awaken now since that soul would not spend its time here.

True most what we can do is share our beliefs or knowledge some times, but i just don't see mentality of "we are awake we know therefore we must tell other sheeple what truth is" ,that some people have, useful in any way. Not saying you are one of those.

Dude i can't make any sense of what you are trying to say?

[hutanic]

Dude i can't make any sense of what you are trying to say?

My whole point was that ones that think that they are awaken and can wake someone up are sleeping them selves.

[kblood]

Because no one is fully "awake", and with the belief that we only make a change by making as many people believe in this change, then it will change.

It can be done more or less proactivily than this at your own leisure I believe.

But as for the first question, I think I will give the hints I believe really gives some nice interesting clues about what is going on.

Holographic universe is always nice, although I see it as there has to be something that is considered real, before you can claim something more or less real or even not real. So that everything is an illusion, just makes you know that it is not as real as it seems at first glance. So look again :)

Vrill, "vrill discs", "secrets of the third reich":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8291386537788537096

"Nicola Tesla" and the inventions that the public wasnt told about, which might have lead to vrill discs i.e.

"The Secret" or "Law of attraction"

hmmm... thats it from me for startes. This is what I remembered to begin with. I believe Zeitgeist is a bit hyped, but is a good kickstarter.

There are some good youtube channels devoted to this stuff it seems :)

[alice34]

He who doesnt know and he doesnt know he doesnt know is a fool: shun him
He who doesnt know, and knows he doesnt know is a pupil: teach him
He who knows, but doesnt know he knows, is asleep: wake him
He who knows, and knows he knows is wise: follow him.

[kblood]

He who doesnt know and he doesnt know he doesnt know is a fool: shun him
He who doesnt know, and knows he doesnt know is a pupil: teach him
He who knows, but doesnt know he knows, is asleep: wake him
He who knows, and knows he knows is wise: follow him.

I believe the state of oneness can be considered being awake. Its not a natural state of being though, for a physical being at least, so we cannot stay in that state of mind for long.

When in the state of oneness, there does seem to be free acces to scrying, which is free access to all the information you would want. The left side of the brain I guess it is, just needs to be able to store this information. Usually most the information gotten while in the state of oneness is forgotten due to being to vast an amount of information at once.

Some people have gotten over this by taping their sessions of this. Still its not flawless, maybe in the state of oneness some of your information comes from another being that is somewhere between the state of spirit and human, and I guess they can be wrong, but I see it more likely that we simply misinterpreted it.

So I believe many on this forum has been awake, if what I just wrote is true, but cant stay awake all the time. Maybe some have found a way to be in that state most the time, but I kinda find mediating your whole life a waste of a good physical body. Lots of spiritual life to be had later I think :) If I am wrong, I dont think I will regret being wrong though.

[kblood]

I believe the state of oneness can be considered being the cause of all these wrongs we are now forced to face
That was a very bad Idea for us by the universal maker

So the universal maker has bad ideas?

I guess it is more likely a tool to help become awake then. Have you tried feeling it? Everything bound together, everything seems simple and with purpose. The only problem being the feeling of loss afterwards, and most likely feeling stupid that you forget the things that seemed so simple, although you were so certain they would be easy to write down, "after just a bit more thinking" about it all.

Everything that has a beginning has an end. A part of us is without either I believe.

[spiritualone]

I believe the state of oneness can be considered being the cause of all these wrongs we are now forced to face
That was a very bad Idea for us by the universal maker

They are lessons. From the POV of oneness, there is no wrong or right, it is just wisdom ;) How can you label somthing wrong or right (duality) unless you have a point of reference to compare it to? To truly know wrong or right, you would have to directly experience both.

[enlightenme]

Ok.
so please dont just tell me to wake up, show me how to wake up, its no good telling me to go reprogram my computer, if you havent told me how to program in the first place.....

alienspirit, no one can tell you how to 'wake up' unless you are ready. you have to want to 'see' life. for me i dont belive that any one entity can help you do this...the ability is in you already, you were born with it. we were all born pure souls and then get conditioned by parents, teachers, television ect ect. Being awake, enlightened or whatever you want to call it 'for me' is being present on this earth as i was when i entered it. Being able to experience suffering or happiness with no bias, taking life as it comes and trying not to be judgemental though accepting and compassionate.

After many years of trying to figure out...well life, I found meditatation and yoga which literally opened my eyes to all I encompass as a person as well as my surroundings. I stopped being judgemental, rude, sad, impatient, ignorant and now take life as it comes...accept what happens evan if it hurts like hell (i'm a beleiver in karma)

If you would have told me a few years back to come to this site i would have told you where to go and how to get there. I am now open minded and take alittle knowledge from all walks of life. Knowledge is power and so when you say 'awaken me', you dont have to beleive other peoples beleifs, just listen and you will take in what you need.

Dont want to SEE results because the years will fly past you and you will miss out on today. I dont ponder on the past or ask questions like 'where did i come from' or 'how was the world created' because i dont need to know the answers. That wont change my existance on this earth today, I know who I am. I listen to peoples views on this (aka this forum) and dont agree, though never judge.

So my answer for you is that i have no answer because it is inside you already...just dont be afraid of life and what it throws at you and truly just BE :)

[akujin]

:D:D

[ravenswing]

Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

so please dont just tell me to wake up, show me how to wake up, its no good telling me to go reprogram my computer, if you havent told me how to program in the first place.....

We have not programmed the computer, we are merely the operator. The computer has been programmed by the world around us, it is acepting programming all the time.

For me "waking up" is about reprogramming but after 36 years of accepting one sort of programming do you think you can change it in 36 days, weeks, months?

I try to change the way I think, not to have the knee jerk reactions as we have been trained to do. To step back and look at things with as dispassionate a head as I can manage. I try to love everybody and thing and to discard the word fear from my dictionary. I try to look at the world around me with new eyes everyday, to appreciate the sky, animals, peoples smiles etc.

There is so much I don't know but I have a willingness to learn, I am open to most things and try to listen to my "inner voice" rather then the "facts" as they are told to me.

I am certainly not awake (reprogrammed) yet but at least I know that, and that is a great starting point.

To know you are asleep (programmed), to see there is a different world than what we know, that is the message we need to put into the human conciousness. There are more and more people putting out this message, so people who have no idea of David and others work are feeling "that something is not right with this world".

It is a start, I do not know where my journey will take me, or the awakening of the people but it is a good time to be alive :)

Good luck with your own journey, it may be different to anyone elses, but it will be your truth.

[kblood]

sorry, i dont understand your words

are you saying that you are the universal maker, only now you forgot that simle thingy, or what, kblood?

Not that "I" a the universal maker, but I believe that the "I" in us all is our spiritual center, or zero point. Zero is the opposite of infiniti, and opposites becomes one in oneness.

So, when you look into your soul, you might find god. This is why changing our selves is the most effective way to change the world. Our being resonates all of our thoughts and actions in so many ways. This is why mediation alone might actually not actually be helping the whole world.

I am currently summing up new ways to prove spirituality, our selfs and everythings connection through god or love. Love is the best way to describe how oneness feels, which is why I am tempted to believe David Icke. He said Infinite love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion. Illusions should never be underestimated though, since this is our world :) Illusions are simply what we make with our collected conciousness, through the universal maker.

Im not sure I can explain it any better at the moment, but basicly I believe everything is already perfect. To make it more perfect for everyone we know and our selves, then we need to know what needs to be done to make everything better. Saying NO to what we do not want is not enough. We need to be able to say YES to all the things we do want, because negatives only slows everything down.

Even the elite can be convinced by truth ;) I have tried it myself and either I had figured out what was already happening, or some of them agreed with me. The elites agenda is probably for the best of us all, they might be deluded by having to save us all, "no matter the cost". That thought leads to all the negative actions that has happened against us. Solving problems by removing or hiding them is easier than finding an actuall solution.

Change is something everyone fear, unless the change becomes accepted. The oil companies i.e. do not accept the change from fossil fuel. To the oil companies, this is the best known, globally spread way to power the world. They think they are feeding their "zero-point", but instead it makes them feed their ego, because they dont realise that their zero point is the connection to everyting. The eternal, the universe... all being one. Still more often than not, we will choose the solution that gives us the change for a better life here and now. Making more money now, instead of in two years, having a full stomach now, by stealing the food, instead of finding a way to earn the food.

I guess the answer isnt simple, but it has been on this forum quite a few times, from quite alot of people. Its practical application is the difficult part though. We all need to fully understand it first, and although I might sound like I think I understand it, I am only just trying to understand it. I do not believe my left side of the brain is meant to understand it at all, and I just have to accept that.

[raptorialis]

Ok.
I read posts from people saying they need to get the word out to wake people up. I say wake me up to what ?

I'm 36, live in England, UK, I have known of david icke since he was footballing (my father was a footballer too)and on the main stream tele, the purple shellsuits and the wogan show etc. etc.
I listen to him with an open mind then he kinda drifted off and I didnt hear from him again, several years back I found something regarding him, I did some sniffing around, started to come up with stuff he was talking about, a few of which I tended to think kind of the same way.

looked his website up now and then ever since, I came the other night, read a few posts, really wanted to post replies registered then had to wait for admin to clear my account :(

Anyway the short of it is, Ive had/have some (what others might regard as strange) experienceds in my life which leads to me think about the universe and everything in it differently to people I know, friends etc...

But I dont think Ive been bless with enlightenment, so can someone please wake me up to it, for me its not enough that people say....... everyones a healer (in psychic terms), or you can heal too, if you opened up to it.....
I'm open, I'm open...

I hear that everything is like the matrix, a holographic universe, was the big bang something else turning the on switch on and powering us/me up?

I read another post, where people were talking about auras, what they looked like etc... most people that replied had different stories to tell.

so please dont just tell me to wake up, show me how to wake up, its no good telling me to go reprogram my computer, if you havent told me how to program in the first place.....

AlienSpirit, if you have to enquire about enlightenment, then you already on the wrong track. All methods (religions, beliefs, matrix, psychics, TV shows) are artificial, illusory devices which trick you into believing that there is a place called enlightenment. When we lose connection with who we really are through lifes traumas, we begin to look for a crutch. Thats right about the time you start reading up on buddhism and David Icke etc.

But you don't really need to believe any of these people or things. You don't really need to follow any one toward enlightenment. You don't need to learn about the ugly things that may or may not be happening in the world.

The best thing to achieve peace is to turn away from the dark things that worry you and train your mind to think only of love. At the same time find those people who are truly in need of your love - and share it with them without thought of self. Share it like you have never shared love before.

There is no intellectual appreciation of enlightnment. There is only a practical one. Love is the only truth, everything else is truly an illusion. Share you love, like a raging tide - and you will see.

There is a book entitled Man's Search For Meaning, by Victor Frankl. Mr Frankl (a psychologist) spent 3 years in a Nazi concentration camp and it tells how through active endeavour he overcame the most difficult of circumstances known to man.