Imagine what will do if lived free with no control

[jagalman]

With this all Brain washing systems we've been to(schools-university's-religions-ex..) and here is the result in us, we have a turn over and we are free!!
Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!

[jimijams]

With this all Brain washing systems we've been to(schools-university's-religions-ex..) and here is the result in us, we have a turn over and we are free!!
Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!
Unfortunately because of the programming and brainwashing most of us have forgotten how to use our imaginations. If you don't use it you lose it!:o

[thirdwave]

With this all Brain washing systems we've been to(schools-university's-religions-ex..) and here is the result in us, we have a turn over and we are free!!
Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!

from the start ..... if there was no control from a starting point I think that the world would be a far better place than it is now.... infact maybe even pushing towards a harmonius place....

but once the poison has been spread to create the need for control... its very hard to just take the control away... as then you are just left with a bunch of people with no ethics free to rip eachother to bits....

in order to kill the control the people have to create a better understanding on ethics.... and in doing this the control would be as traspenrant as anything...

I actualy think the ethics are coming at a fast rate... and this is why so much effort is going in to making people more stressed and afraid and bringing the worst out in people....

its the way it is.... we create the situation that gives them power... and they have a good way of manipulating us to keeping this trend going...


its like when people were saying rules should not be here in this forum... the vast majority of the people saying that where the people who completely made Ickes old forum impossible to air your views on with out being mocked, ridiculed, insulted, and have your thread torn up and stamped on....

where is the freedom in that?

You put out what you get back, and if you want a free forum(world) then you have to offer freedom to the people around you, this is what freedom is, except freedom and offer it. otherwise it does not work....

sadly because of so many people with no understanding of this ..rules have to be put in place to keep them at bay, they are the creators of the elites power... eating out of their hands and creating the world they don't like.

we provide the need for rules... and the rulers can place the rules in that suit their agenda... and then manipulate us to create more rules that they have in the oven.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Before enlightenment: Caring Buckets of Water
After enlightenment: Caring Buckets of Water









I think we would just end up doing the same.. Or we would be a warrior race.

[unicorn]

Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!
Love it Jagalman... if you can imagine it, you can create it! :)

Unfortunately because of the programming and brainwashing most of us have forgotten how to use our imaginations. If you don't use it you lose it!
Jimijams... have you resigned yourself to the land of no imagination?? :( :( :( Imagination is better than all the knowledge in the world... or words to that effect by Einstein...

I read a book on an Elder Native American shaman who shared how his tribe revered children & elders... as they are closer to the land of spirit. The young, having just come from the land of spirit & therefore carrying great knowledge were never told 'no' by anyone, so that they could grow & unfold into being all that they wished to be. Imagine your uniqueness being treasured & nurtured, instead of squashed as is intended by education (just another brick in the wall!). Wow... imagine such a world where we are all trreasured for our unique talents (it's the whole meaning of life isn't it... to shine as who you are??!!) instead of being feared for these.

A bit topsy turvy... but we're righting the situation so that our children can grow up with this love & freedom, yeah! :)

Also imagine a world where there is no such thing as crappy office jobs, factory shifts etc... Bring it on!!

[tinmenace]

Jimijams... have you resigned yourself to the land of no imagination??

Resigned is a good word here, but you know....it's so true what jimjams says. People get into a rut, many simply just to keep their heads above water, and they take no time for themselves to simply be themselves. When your spirit is oppressed in that way, it can lie dormant. We must take time to be ourselves, to know ourselves and to kindle the flame that burns within each one of us.

[unicorn]

We must take time to be ourselves, to know ourselves and to kindle the flame that burns within each one of us.


Well said tinmenace (love your new avatar!)... All it takes is some nature energy, like getting a walk in the woods, to get the creative energy flowing, relaxing & nurturing ourselves. Creative energy is also linked with sexual energy... & we know how imbalanced this is on a planetary scale. Metal fillings can restrict the flow of governing/central energy (the main energy meridians) as does radiation... which affects the whole energy flow of the body too.

But without imagination, where's the joy in life? Imagination is a powerful manifesting tool, it's a childhood gift that was critisized as 'daydreaming', which is exactly that, but in a positive sense. In 'Mutant Message Down Under' (awesome book) the aborigine tribe don't dream at night, they sleep just to rest their bodies. They dream during the day so that they can rest at night, instead of dreaming. Imagine... !!

Peter Pan has an awesome message for all adults here, to re-kindle the flame of imagination ;) :)

[jimijams]

Jimijams... have you resigned yourself to the land of no imagination?? :( :( :(
I hope not, but many have. We're not encouraged to use our imaginations anymore, we have Hollywood, TV and video games to imagine things for us now. Try putting the average teenager or even adult in to the wilderness without any external stimulation, most wouldn't last a day. This is the way they want us, unimaginative and uncreative, instead just drones absorbing as much useless information and trivia as possible. What if people really did start to imagine a world free of control the results could be could be disastrous. Keep our minds on tits, ass and footy stats, mixed up with good lashings of violence and terror solves that problem.

[tinmenace]

Hi Unicorn, I love my avatar too! Thanks! It's part of the Rain in Wagga Wagga effort. Also my font color. Every time I change the font color to that purple, I think of rain in Wagga Wagga....

relaxing & nurturing ourselves

That's exactly how I feel about it. We are so far removed from who we are supposed to be that many people just function like little robots. Wake up, go to work, come home, eat, watch telly, go to sleep - only to repeat it again the next day. Even exercise has become robotic, we get on the treadmill and pretend we're walking in the woods.

I love that Aborigine story! Yes, daydreaming....isn't it the most delicious thing? It's one of my shortcomings, I'd have to say. I often retreat very deeply into my daydreams. I get so annoyed when people interrupt me when I'm in that state of mind. My husband says I don't even hear him or acknowledge him sometimes. He says it's as though I'm not even here :o He calls it "living in my head". I'm working on not doing it too much when he's around. :)

I dream pretty vividly at night too...how about you?

[unicorn]

I dream pretty vividly at night too...how about you?


Yeah... dreams are a fascinating subject for me. We know sweet f.a. about it, I love it, a real mystery in life! Some dreams are easy for me to understand, then comes along one that completely foxes me!! But I have had 2 AMAZING dreams that I call POWER DREAMS that stand out from all the rest, wish I could pre-determine where to go in la-la-land, have tried it but it won't be tamed!! Which I guess I love really :)

I am finding the balance of being grounded in life as I can also tend to be in my head, which is pretty imbalanced, imho. So, I stomp my feet alot & imagine a clear channel of light from my head to my feet so that the energy is flowing. But daydreaming is wonderful... unless it is escaping from reality ;)

Kandah: If we removed all control right now, things would be out of control in no time
I know what you mean, but don't go along with this idea. I think if people were freed from all the bull, they'd become the amazing beings they were destined to be. I have worked at a nearby school where children (many labelled ADHD & on medication) are allowed to have 'chill out' time, where they leave the classroom & do some painting, play a game outside or water the flowers etc... & many parents think the children will abuse this & never stay in the class. It's the other way round, children who are trusted learn to trust themselves, learn how to be responsible. I say let's enjoy the hooolie! :D

[tinmenace]

I have recurring dreams. Also, I dream I can fly and breathe underwater, those always leave me feeling so good. I very rarely have nightmares and sometimes when I drift into sleep, I feel as though I'm returning to an old familiar place, and even the people waiting for me are people I know...and then just as I feel myself starting to analyze who these people are and why this dream place is familiar, it all slips away from me, and I'm left with nothing. Sometimes I'll try figure it out as I'm drifting into sleep, and just the action of using my conscious mind to analyze it will wake me up. Most annoying!

As for daydreaming, I've always done it for as long as I can remember and I actually DO think it started as a way to get away from reality. Now it's just a part of who I am. I think I'm very sensitive to everything around me, and if I don't 'escape', all the energy (especially negative energy) overwhelms me and disrupts me. It totally drains me of energy, and I'm left depleted. Sometimes it takes me months and months to recover strength after a particularly stressful experience (especially if my family members come to visit).

Some people and some situations are like parasites. They just take and never reciprocate. I find that very exhausting.

[Anders Lindman]

With this all Brain washing systems we've been to(schools-university's-religions-ex..) and here is the result in us, we have a turn over and we are free!!
Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!

I'm wondering, is ANYONE free in the world? I don't think so. Freedom is a total movement, a flow; not the mechanical friction we see around us in the world today.

[unicorn]

Tinmenace - Sometimes it takes me months and months to recover strength after a particularly stressful experience (especially if my family members come to visit).

:( Sounds like psychic vampirism... not good that it takes months to recover. I've found that with the global shifts I tolerate these less & less (also getting more sensitive) & have been blessed with oppostunities to get these people out ot my life (& help others do the same!).

Love flying dreams... feels sooo real!!

I'm wondering, is ANYONE free in the world?
Good question A L... don't see how anyone can be free in this world unless they're over-riding the mass consciousness altogether... mastery!!

[geo2]

:) sort of think that if mankind builds another 'species', Androids, and give 'em' freedom and the 'mission' to take of us and to keep the 'scum-bags' from ever again doing what 'they' have/are doing to us-all !

{ also we will better understand what happened to the human-machine that we are in }

{ lets face the facts, better to send the 'droids' into outer space first, etc }

{ we should be planing thousands of years down the line }

{ sex energy is creation energy }

{ the 'tribe' is the way 2go } elders n goddesses guide

ave maria ! Infinity

:rolleyes: :cool:

[bigus_dickus]

I'm wondering, is ANYONE free in the world? I don't think so. Freedom is a total movement, a flow; not the mechanical friction we see around us in the world today.

the spirit is free.

wild animals are free.

prisoners with a free mind are free, non prisoners with a prisoned mind are not...

[i am all i am]

I'm wondering, is ANYONE free in the world? I don't think so. Freedom is a total movement, a flow; not the mechanical friction we see around us in the world today.

Freedom is choice.

AS YOU BELIEVE,
SO YOU CONCEIVE.

I AM FREE.

I choose to be free to make any and all choices that I desire.



With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFIEN YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[Anders Lindman]

the spirit is free.

wild animals are free.

prisoners with a free mind are free, non prisoners with a prisoned mind are not...


I don't think prisoners are really free. Real freedom is a whole movement, not just freedom of thought.

[Anders Lindman]

Freedom is choice.


That sounds true to me. But there must also be the freedom of choice, or the prison will still remain. And also the power of choice. What good is there if I have a choice of making myself happy but I'm unable to make that choice a reality in my life.

[unicorn]

wild animals are free.

Don't think so... hunting, culling, deforestation, radiation, HAARP, cluttered energy field around earth filled with crazy human nonsense!! Also we're not just separate beings, we're all influenced by the energies around us & the mass consciousness so I don't think we even know of true freedom until we are all free!

I can be free in my mind but I still gotta pay the tax man!:D

[bigus_dickus]

I don't think prisoners are really free. Real freedom is a whole movement, not just freedom of thought.

it depends... there are lots of kinds of prisons. but i suggest that a man can be free under any circumstance by freeing his mind. man is essentially free and actually it's this very freedom of will that he exploits to bring slavery.

[i am all i am]

That sounds true to me. But there must also be the freedom of choice, or the prison will still remain. And also the power of choice. What good is there if I have a choice of making myself happy but I'm unable to make that choice a reality in my life.

This is the difference between feelings and sensations.

Feelings, like happiness, are an internal choice that you create.

Sensations, the senses, are an external experience that you recognise.

Re-cognise, is to once again experience knowing.

"BEING" is a state-ment of choice. So you merely choose to be happy, no matter what it is you are experiencing externally. This is the power of choice.

The only prison is the one that you create for yourself. Allow your state of "BEING" (your statement of Who You Are) to be free of external sensations (anothers thoughts, words and actions) and make your choice from your personal preferences.



With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[tru3]

But without imagination, where's the joy in life? Imagination is a powerful manifesting tool, it's a childhood gift that was critisized as 'daydreaming', which is exactly that, but in a positive sense. In 'Mutant Message Down Under' (awesome book) the aborigine tribe don't dream at night, they sleep just to rest their bodies. They dream during the day so that they can rest at night, instead of dreaming. Imagine... !!

thanks! LOVE that book. i recommend it to everyone.

<sigh>

i hate to be crotchety old tru3, but he's in here, so i have to honor him.

"Imagine what will do if lived free with no control"? i believe was the thread title.

before we have the full picture, please rent the movie "sphere" if you haven't seen it.

http://www.prairienet.org/~tatwell/movie13.jpg

there's a reason it's mirrored.

[father ted]

With this all Brain washing systems we've been to(schools-university's-religions-ex..) and here is the result in us, we have a turn over and we are free!!
Imagine what will do if there is no Brain washing system!!

We regain our psychic abilities and our truer self and go for it! Each to our own and in our own time:)

[tru3]

We regain our psychic abilities and our truer self and go for it! Each to our own and in our own time:)

indeed. as we let go of the gunk, the truth shines through. ime, trying to force these matters never unfolds quite as planned. :o

[Anders Lindman]

it depends... there are lots of kinds of prisons. but i suggest that a man can be free under any circumstance by freeing his mind. man is essentially free and actually it's this very freedom of will that he exploits to bring slavery.

Yes, I see what you mean now. It's possible to experience totally different states of being even when the external circumstances are still the same. And it can be a huge difference in my experience.

[Anders Lindman]

This is the difference between feelings and sensations.

Feelings, like happiness, are an internal choice that you create.

Sensations, the senses, are an external experience that you recognise.


That's true. I hadn't actually thought about it that clearly before.