Dont be afraid of Hallucinogenics

[siliconpsychosis]

Reading some of the threads recently, I have learnt that some people hear are very anti drugs. Now, considering the fact that Governments lie about everything, past, present and future, then I presume that it is far to say that they also lie about illegal drugs.
If Governments are telling us that certain drugs are 'bad' for us, then is it not likely that they are infact 'good' for us?
In reference to LSD and other hallucinogenics, I, and many others, truly believe that these drugs can completely transform our understanding of reality. Through hallucinogenics I think it is possible to understand all things.
I truly find it incredible and immensely encouraging that many people here have reached higher states of consciousness without the use of hallucinogenics. I really do. But I would also like to say to these very people, that if they were to allow themselves the opportunity of experiencing hallucinogenics, they may well find their understanding will accellerate infinitely.
So in essense, what I am saying is, if you haven't taken LSD, then give it a go.
Heres a couple of words of advice though :

Try to avoid controlling your experience. Let the trip take you.

Remember that you cannot die.

Be within range of a very safe, comfortable environment, like your bedroom.

Terence McKenna in particular was a great advocate of hallucinogenics, and, in my opinion, is living proof that hallucinogenics can evolve and elevate your very being.

Recommended reading : Storming Heaven, Lsd & The American Dream by Jay Stevens

[limelady]

Hello siliconpsychosis

I have read a lot of Terrence McKenna's inspiration work, and while I agree in theory that hallucinogenic may be safe and even beneficial when used in controlled situations, due to the nature of the illegal street drug trade and the oft unscrupulous and unsavoury characters involved, I feel it misleading to make statements like that without looking at other aspects of this matter thoroughly first.

Taking ANY form of uncontrolled street drug may be dangerous because you really have no way of knowing the quality of the substances available or who and where they were 'cooked up'. People in this business are often addicts themselves, and are only involved to make money, and therefore pay little regard to the possible consequences to human health.

I haven't got time to go looking for references right now, but I remember reading a breakdown of substances that have been found in common street drugs like "ice" and there were substance on that list that have no place inside a human brain, including cleaning fluids! Whether the practice of 'cutting' with such substances is common practice or not, desperate people wishing to exploit others for money are capable of anything. The potential for 'splicing' is not the only safety factor to consider. Perhaps the most important potential danger to understand is that homebakers rarely have a quality control protocol in place to test for purity, strength, and quality, so you never know for sure what you're getting. What may be good one week may kill you the next, such is the uncertain nature of this business.

More recently there have been studies conducted that show that certain street drugs cause brain-cell death and irreparable long-term damage.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol15N3/Brain.html

Other research clearly shows that regular use of these substances can lead to psychosis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1230302&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ravesafe.org/otherinfo/psychosis.htm

Some people may consider my views "anti-drug" which to some people equals "anti-freedom", but my only real concern here is these drugs potential to harm the the unwitting. People are free to make their own choices about such matters, but to my mind it is important to understand the potential dangers involved in using these chemicals to get "high" before embarking on any drug taking.

[adramelech]

I wouldn't say people are "anti-drug" or anti-hallucinogen, but rather against the idea that hallucinogens are the key to increased perception or some "get enlightened quick" fix. You can make a lot of arguments both for and against the use of hallucinogens as a gateway. From what I have personally seen and experienced, naturally working on the mind and body to increase perception is the only path to choose for real long-term experience. Hallucinogens often offer an incomplete picture, giving just distorted glimpses. A lot of the things that are experienced is due purely to genuine psychosis or brain damage.

When properly used and administered as part of an awakening regiment, such as forms of meditation or shamanism, they can be a tool. When you think that tripping on LSD in your bedroom is going to unlock the secrets of the universe, it becomes the equivalent of using steroids to work out.

[neondestiny]

Very well said Limelady, you really don't know what your getting with illegal drugs, this I know from first hand experience.
Back in my earlier years as a "speed" user a known dealer used to give us this stuff with a slight brown tint to it, it was "good stuff" anyone who has seen amphetamines would know that it should look white not brown, the dealers excuse was this stuff was "overcooked" found out later from one of his mates, he was cutting it with heroin in an attempt to get his customers physically addicted to keep the money coming back to him, no wonder everyone thought it was "good stuff"
Does real LSDeven exist anymore?
I don't see the point of using hallucinogens to further your enlightenment when it can be achieved for free without getting yourself addicted to, something which is probaly 80-90% chemical in this day and age anyway.
Besides that there are no side effects with reaching enlightenment naturally without drugs.
Bright blessings
Neon xxx

[truthcommission]

Some people (usually neophytes) will claim that drugs in and of themselves are not harmful. This is a skewed version of reality. At an energetic level each 'object' has a certain vibration. Illicit drugs, that is drugs that are manufactured illegally, contain a vibration which is not conducive to enlightenment which I presume is what you are trying to achieve when you say:

drugs can completely transform our understanding of reality

They are manufactured by people at a very low level of awareness who are also involved in other criminal activities such as murder (to protect their drug profits), extortion and even the funding of 'black budget' ops carried out by the CIA. Each substance you ingest resonates with these vibrations. With substances that effect your mind such as LSD you risk not just having a bad trip but also blowing open a portal in your energy field which will allow all sorts of really negative entities in.

Don't believe me? Go visit your nearest drug rehab center or 'metal institution' and you will see countless people who have permanently damaged themselves from experimenting with LSD and other hallucinogenics. Having said that I think there is a place to expand consciousness using natural entheogens such as DMT found in a variety of plants and sacred mushrooms but I don't recommend this to neophytes.

[tru3]

I wouldn't say people are "anti-drug" or anti-hallucinogen, but rather against the idea that hallucinogens are the key to increased perception or some "get enlightened quick" fix. You can make a lot of arguments both for and against the use of hallucinogens as a gateway. From what I have personally seen and experienced, naturally working on the mind and body to increase perception is the only path to choose for real long-term experience. Hallucinogens often offer an incomplete picture, giving just distorted glimpses. A lot of the things that are experienced is due purely to genuine psychosis or brain damage.

When properly used and administered as part of an awakening regiment, such as forms of meditation or shamanism, they can be a tool. When you think that tripping on LSD in your bedroom is going to unlock the secrets of the universe, it becomes the equivalent of using steroids to work out.

and, one can get the same effect with breathwork. so you don't have to do hallucinogens, but you don't not have to do them. it's up to you. so, i think most of us here have their opinions and preferences, but would allow you the space to express yourself.

[i am all i am]

If Governments are telling us that certain drugs are 'bad' for us, then is it not likely that they are infact 'good' for us?

Drugs I consider to be man-made and these are definitely not good for your body. ALL man-made drugs have side effects, this is well documented, it is merely the acceptable level of the side effect that makes them allowable (of course it can also be profit driven).

Plants in nature are designed by nature for consumption. If you choose to go on a trip, I suggest that you use natures gifts, the plant.

Heres a couple of words of advice though :

Try to avoid controlling your experience. Let the trip take you.

Remember that you cannot die.

Be within range of a very safe, comfortable environment, like your bedroom.

In my experience, what you take into a trip is what you get out of it. I think that when you talk about "avoid controlling your experience" you are referring to the physical sensations (???). I would agree with this.

Choosing what it is that you are tripping for before you take the hallucinogen is the way that you guide your experience. Problems arise when you have no set goal and are not mentally prepared. Any emotions that you are experiencing are intensified when you trip. This is why it is beneficial to have a purpose. Decide what it is that you are seeking to experience on your trip. As your mind can only move towards something, your mental preperation is going to be important for you to achieve your goal with your trip and set the boundaries of your experience. Self determination is as important tripping as it is in every other aspect of your life.

Physical preperation is also important. Have nothing to eat at least for four hours prior to your trip and don't eat meat for a day beforehand. This is a guideline, and for some it makes little difference, for others it is important. If the least you do is not eat four hours prior to your trip, you should be free of nausea. Of course there are other ways to control this, I'll leave it up to the tripper to research this for themselves, something I strongly suggest you do before you dceide to trip. Knowledge is important for you to understand how to prepare the plant, what proportion you should consume as well as other factors. This is merely a guideline.

Your location when you trip is down to a choice of preference. I have tripped indoors and outdoors. Some people that I know prefer to be in nature when they trip, others can't be around other people. I suggest you go with whatever you feel comfortable with, remember, it is your experience and your choice as to how you would prefer to expeience it.

Being thankful of the experience that you are about to partake of is, I believe, very important. You are looking to have a sacred experience, connecting to the 'oneness'. Show your gratitude and have some respect for the sacred journey that you are about to embark upon.

I truly find it incredible and immensely encouraging that many people here have reached higher states of consciousness without the use of hallucinogenics.

No matter how you connect to the 'oneness' (or whatever term you choose to use), reliance upon 'your way' is merely a crutch. There are many, many ways in which to connect, and it can create a dependancy for you to choose only one way. This is something to avoid as it is merely another trap that will inhibit your true potential from being manifested as your reality. Think of it this way. If you keep walking the same path, are you actually getting anywhere ? Variety is the key to avoiding dependence.

Once again, I suggest that research is conducted beforehand, and if you know of someone that is experienced ask their advice.

"There are things known and things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception" - Alduos Huxley.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[phoenixchilde]

I wouldn't say that I'm anti-drug. If you want to smoke weed, or do shrooms, that's your business.

What I will say, is that I'm against the use of drugs to atain heightened states of being. First of all, you'll never get very far. It's kinda like cheating on a test. It'll get you the answers, but you won't learn how to get them. Enlightenment isn't about having answers, it's about internal development and growth. Your mind and soul expands so that you not only get the answers, but you know what to do with them once you have them. Drugs might open that door for a few minutes, but spiritual growth will bust that door wide open.

[father ted]

I personally would advocate magic mushrooms, which is the only organic hallucinogens that I have had.

I wouldn't trust man made substances. From my understanding, LSD would be good and would recommend it, if it was pure. I am pretty certain that you can't get pure LSD these days, a lot of them are laced with something else, especially speed based substances, meth, those sorts of things, which is the worst thing to have LSD with. I think that this is no mistake, how come you can get meth, cocaine, heroin etc, so readily, and you can't get pure LSD at all?

I've had blotting paper LSD and had really fun experiences and not so fun, but there was this one, that was a nightmare. It was called a nike, and damaged me physically. I have also noticed/remembered that a lot of these blotting paper LSD have an iluminati symbol on them, which is where they get their distinct name. These types of things have been said, by people who know the difference, that this is no where near what LSD should be like, and that you can't get pure LSD these days. So if anyone tells you that they can get LSD for you, most likely, they're full of shit. Or that if they say that they've had proper LSD and it was in the era after the mid 90's or maybe a bit before that, as people have told me that that's when they started phasing it out, then they also wouldn't know what they're are talking about. Unless they actually know how to make it themselves or know someone that does.

Magic mushrooms on the other hand, you know that it's the real deal and should be taken seriously, otherwise you'll learn a lesson;)

[seanx]

I agree with Fr. Ted most of these drugs in their PURE from may do
you no harm - but we tend to forget that when we consciously
change how we feel through meditation or as tru3 said through breathwork - All of these things NATURALLY cause our body to produce
it's OWN drugs.

So we probably don't need an external source,

[cheeb]

i also agree with Frater ted on this one.
i have done a lot of tripping on magic mushrooms and acid, and to start with it can be great fun.
the first one ,it felt as though my eyes had been opened or a curtain had been raised and i glimpsed what it was all about, icouldn stop laughing to the point where it was physically hurting me .I think it switches on a part of your brain permanently.
but beware of this once that switch has been turned on there is no way to turn it off.
Which could be a good thing or a bad thing,depends on how you cope with it.
However,eventually you will have a bad trip and nothing will prepare you for this- a few of my freinds actually suffered breakdowns and 2 people i knew were sectioned.
If youre going to do hallucogenics i would suggest you do it in a nice enviroment, natural setting like a beach, forest or mountain that you feel comfortable in and with freinds that you really trust preferabaly with someone there who hasn't taken any but who has before and can reassure you if things go bad.
Your bedroom, acity centre on a saturday nugth or amongst big crowds is probably the worst scenario for this kind of experience