What messing with christianity can do to you..

[strider]

It can actually make you worship some thing outside of yourself.. Crazy huh?

http://www.patersondiocese.org/images/121406f2.jpg

[resistance]

It can actually make you worship some thing outside of yourself.. Crazy huh?

http://www.patersondiocese.org/images/121406f2.jpg

Thats a great post dude, i am neither a christian or an occultist but that post cracks me up:D:D

[raven]

George Carlin in Zeitgeist - YouTube

[seanie]

:D

[damagedbrainn]

http://www.salvationinc.org/archives/Genocide.sized.jpg

[siscid]

http://www.salvationinc.org/archives/Genocide.sized.jpg

Oh my god!!! :(:confused::eek:

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.salvationinc.org/archives/Genocide.sized.jpg
Jesuits: The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) is a Roman Catholic religious order founded in 1534 by Ignatius of Loyola, a Spanish soldier. In 1540, the group received a charter from Rome in which the members promised total loyalty to the Pope. Their Jesuit Oath (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/one_world_religion/jesuit_oath.html) demands the initiate to lie, steal or murder, without hesitation, if ordered to do so by his superior.
Formed primarily to destroy the Protestant Reformation AND the Protestants, the Jesuits are led by their Jesuit General, often referred to as the “Black” Pope, who rules from behind the scenes. That position has been held for years by Peter-Hans Kolvenbach who is often termed the “Most Powerful Man in the World.”
There is mounting evidence that the three major recent leaders of the Catholic church are ALL Jewish. Pope John Paul II had a Jewish mother and a Jewish grandmother. The present Pope, former Cardinal Ratzinger, may well be a German Jew (Ratzinger is a Jewish name), and the “Black Pope”, Jesuit General Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, could not look more Jewish. View his picture and you decide. (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/one_world_government/kolvenback.html)
That means that the Catholic Church is probably “owned” and secretly run from the inside, by the Jews.
So the great debate about “Who runs the New World Order, the Jesuits of the Catholic Church – or – the Jews”, doesn’t need to take place? The answer is obvious. “They are One and the Same!” During the Spanish Inquisition, the Jews were threatened by the Catholic Church, “Convert or be killed.” So the leaders of International Jewry advised the Jews to appear to convert, but in reality, join – infiltrate - and take over from the inside, the structure of the Catholic Church. This is what occurred.
Remember the barbaric spirit of the Catholic Church during the Dark Ages when true Christians were horribly tortured by supposed holy men of the “Church”. Millions were martyred in the most gruesome ways.
That same “spirit” that is being manifested by the Jews’ treatment of the Palestinians, AND by the American government’s treatment of Iraqi and Afghanistani prisoners in Abu Ghraib and other torture prisons on foreign soil run by the U.S. government.
Unfortunately, this type of torture is now becoming common in U.S. prisons on U.S. soil, many of which are owned by a company called Wackenhut, a company owned and run by former CIA personnel. I will have more about Wackenhut later.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

[mariag]

http://www.salvationinc.org/archives/Genocide.sized.jpg

That´s sad but who where the spaniards?

[phildee3]

There's been no mention of Christians here so far, only Roman Catholics;
and all the pictures, so far, are of Roman Catholics too.
wtf??

[damagedbrainn]

That´s sad but who where the spaniards?

The Spanish....People from Spain.

[mariag]

The Spanish....People from Spain.

Ok thank you so that makes them my relatives then from my father´s side of the family. How horrible

[damagedbrainn]

There's been no mention of Christians here so far, only Roman Catholics;
and all the pictures, so far, are of Roman Catholics too.
wtf??

Roman Catholics aren't Christians now? Okay, then how about the British and the later Americans who perpetrated equal atrocities against Native Americans, not to mention slavery, lynching, and "witch" burnings. They weren't Catholics.

But I bet they don't count either.

[mariag]

Roman Catholics aren't Christians now? Okay, then how about the British and the later Americans who perpetrated equal atrocities against Native Americans, not to mention slavery, lynching, and "witch" burnings. They weren't Catholics.

But I bet they don't count either.

Now I might be misinformed BUT I thought that all christians where chatolics from the beginning. Then Martin Luther came along and split christians in two . Protestants and Catholics. Am I wrong or?

[baron von lotsov]

OK so one page and no sign any harm has come to any of them. I guess they gave the Kool Aid a miss.

[damagedbrainn]

Jesuits: The Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) is a Roman Catholic religious order founded in 1534 by Ignatius of Loyola, a Spanish soldier. In 1540, the group received a charter from Rome in which the members promised total loyalty to the Pope. Their Jesuit Oath (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/one_world_religion/jesuit_oath.html) demands the initiate to lie, steal or murder, without hesitation, if ordered to do so by his superior.
Formed primarily to destroy the Protestant Reformation AND the Protestants, the Jesuits are led by their Jesuit General, often referred to as the “Black” Pope, who rules from behind the scenes. That position has been held for years by Peter-Hans Kolvenbach who is often termed the “Most Powerful Man in the World.”
There is mounting evidence that the three major recent leaders of the Catholic church are ALL Jewish. Pope John Paul II had a Jewish mother and a Jewish grandmother. The present Pope, former Cardinal Ratzinger, may well be a German Jew (Ratzinger is a Jewish name), and the “Black Pope”, Jesuit General Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, could not look more Jewish. View his picture and you decide. (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/one_world_government/kolvenback.html)
That means that the Catholic Church is probably “owned” and secretly run from the inside, by the Jews.
So the great debate about “Who runs the New World Order, the Jesuits of the Catholic Church – or – the Jews”, doesn’t need to take place? The answer is obvious. “They are One and the Same!” During the Spanish Inquisition, the Jews were threatened by the Catholic Church, “Convert or be killed.” So the leaders of International Jewry advised the Jews to appear to convert, but in reality, join – infiltrate - and take over from the inside, the structure of the Catholic Church. This is what occurred.
Remember the barbaric spirit of the Catholic Church during the Dark Ages when true Christians were horribly tortured by supposed holy men of the “Church”. Millions were martyred in the most gruesome ways.
That same “spirit” that is being manifested by the Jews’ treatment of the Palestinians, AND by the American government’s treatment of Iraqi and Afghanistani prisoners in Abu Ghraib and other torture prisons on foreign soil run by the U.S. government.
Unfortunately, this type of torture is now becoming common in U.S. prisons on U.S. soil, many of which are owned by a company called Wackenhut, a company owned and run by former CIA personnel. I will have more about Wackenhut later.

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

And what about the Protestants, Puritans, Calvinists, etc....who colonized the New World and also carried out this genocide against Native Americans? Were they secretly Jews too?

[damagedbrainn]

Now I might be misinformed BUT I thought that all christians where chatolics from the beginning. Then Martin Luther came along and split christians in two . Protestants and Catholics. Am I wrong or?

In the West, yes, all denominations essentially have their root in Roman Catholicism. In the east, it's the Eastern Orthodoxy.

[phildee3]

Now I might be misinformed BUT I thought that all christians where chatolics from the beginning.



You're right, but RCs are "Catholic" in name only.
Catholic means universal (ie. an undivided church).
The RCs are blatantly sectarian; - divide and conquor.

There were divisions long before Luther.
Rome vs Constantinople (orthodox).
Rome vs Celtic (the original British church - truely catholic).

RCs are neither Christian nor Catholic.

[mariag]

In the West, yes, all denominations essentially have their root in Roman Catholicism. In the east, it's the Eastern Orthodoxy.

Oh I see ! and the Orthodoxy is not catholocism ? or at least a form of it ?
I know a lot of assyrian and syrian people and they are Orthodox catholics . Sorry if I sound non academic lol But i seem to be so confused when It ´comes to religon. There are too many of them around to keep track of :)LOL

[mariag]

You're right, but RCs are "Catholic" in name only.
Catholic means universal (ie. an undivided church).
The RCs are blatantly sectarian; - divide and conquor.

There were divisions long before Luther.
Rome vs Constantinople (orthodox).
Rome vs Celtic (the original British church - truely catholic).

RCs are neither Christian nor Catholic.
Yes Thats what I thought :) Thank you :D
Actually back in 1991 i made a project about christianity in the UK and I came to the conclusion that the Constitution walked hand in hand with christianity ( catholocism) .
It was a real intersting subject and I spent 5 weeks no 6 weeks interviewing priests , nuns, and baptists . All kinds of " christian" people.
Thats the first time that I realized that religon playes an important role in our political society :)

[phildee3]

Yes Thats what I thought :) Thank you :D
Actually back in 1991 i made a project about christianity in the UK and I came to the conclusion that the Constitution walked hand in hand with christianity ( catholocism) .
It was a real intersting subject and I spent 5 weeks no 6 weeks interviewing priests , nuns, and baptists . All kinds of " christian" people.
Thats the first time that I realized that religon playes an important role in our political society :)

Yes, but it shouldn't, imo.
I agree with the American concept of separation of church and state (too bad they don't practice what they preach!).
Politics is inherently devisive, - lying is a part of the political process.
Religion is a search for truth.
The two don't mix.

Christianity gets screwed up when it becomes a state religion (and therefore integrated with politics) - eg. Roman "Catholicism."

This also happened with Constantinople, but the orthodox church (also referred to as Catholic - sometimes) is closer to original Christianity/catholicism by virtue of the fact that it has always resisted changes to it's liturgy.

[mariag]

Christianity gets screwed up when it becomes a state religion (and therefore integrated with politics) - eg. Roman "Catholicism."



Yes And thats also why the religon becomes an institution in some sort. Because the moment it gets "infected" with politics it looses it´s value of spiritualiry.

[strider]

OK so one page and no sign any harm has come to any of them. I guess they gave the Kool Aid a miss.

Piss...

[2013]

Already posted this once but had to again it is scarey:eek:
jEsUs WoMaN cOmEs UnStUcK - D@RKSIDED! - YouTube

[kblood]

Why play Barons game of mud throwing? Christians ought to know by now that many of is do not agree with their view of the world.

Oh well, I am much to drunk to answer this post anymore than this. I have already rewrited spelling erriors in this post about 10 times due to me being drunkl I have been very carefull with my answer though.

[tinmenace]

Catholicism was the original Christianity. I'm not aware of any Christian church that preceded Catholicism which still exists today.


Or did I get that wrong? :confused:

[zero1]

Catholicism was the original Christianity. I'm not aware of any Christian church that preceded Catholicism which still exists today.

Gnosticism was proto-Christianity, predating the Catholic concept.

[tim the enchanter]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eB6vPwwBGGs

[tinmenace]

Gnosticism was proto-Christianity, predating the Catholic concept.

Right, but it's not Christianity, is it?

[zero1]

Right, but it's not Christianity, is it?




If you mean Gnosticism predates Christianity, you are correct.

But Gnosticism made Christ the Logos and Sophia (Wisdom) his bride, and the most influential forms of Gnosticism were and are essentially Christian.

I count the council of Nicea as the formation point of the Catholic Christianity that exists today. Many scholars might disagree, but I could give a fuck.

Before the Nicean Council, Christianity had no unifying body and all of the very popular strands of it were Gnostic.

God - Word - Logos - CHRIST.

Pleroma - Aeon - Goddess - SOPHIA.

Demiurge - Ego - Saklas/Yaldabaoth - DEVIL.

That kind of thing, eventually "rejected" (on the surface @ least) by the Church Fathers of what became the Roman (Constantinian) Catholic lineage.

[cheeb]

The David Koresh Compound,
At Mt Carmel,
Waco Texas

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7532/compoundfireld1.jpg

Jim Jones compound at Jonestown Guiyna:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8547/victimstc1.gif

Christian conversions,
After khymer Rouge massacres:

Khmer Rouge: Christian baptism after massacres

Phnom Penh (AsiaNews) – Dozens of former Khmer Rouge members are converting to Christianity. Among them is even Pol Pot's 59 year-old ex-body guard, Uk Sarith.

In its Jan. 15 2004 issue, the Far Eastern Economic Review dedicates an accurate report on the occurrence of such conversions.


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4094/wekbones2ox7.jpg

:eek::eek::eek:

[oceanwave]

deary me,

...what 'religion' can do if you put your mind to it

hope i never 'cross' it

:D

[drael]

This is just a quote from one of bluestars posts (but not his own writing):

People believe that being "right" is a justification for murder, that being "good" is a justification for extortion, and that someone being "evil" is justification for war. The teachings of duality, of right and wrong, good and evil, and light and darkness are used to sway humanity to this cause or that.

Sound familiar? occultists are attacked for their spiritual beleifs, threatened with the christian concepts of curses, satan and demons and this is called "good". Witches are hung, this is called "good". War is waged, this is called "good". Homosexuals are hated and attacked - this is called "good". Still christianity stands in perpetual judgement of all, and uses this as justification for immoral behaviour and a complete lack of grace, tolerance and kindness - the absolute anti-thesis of jesus's example.

So who is worshiping satan then? Calling wrong right and justifying it as the "will of god" and "goodness"? Your trying to save our souls right? what if cutting out our hearts would save our souls - would u do it?

Worshipping heirarchies of power (the church itself), the intervention of the church in your relationship with god and the _known_ false doctrine of the bible - praticing magick and paganism without knowing anything about how it works. Jesus was found by the three wise men via astrology, and yet thats forbidden and evil. Jesus said "if u have not sinned", and yet u judge and condemn. Jesus said "love thy neighbour", and you hate instead and live in fear of the devil. Jesus said that going to church will not save your soul, being good will - and yet u claim all other religion satanic, and condemn them all to hell.

If i wanted to be christian, i could be three times the christian of 99.9% of the christians here, because i would listen to what jesus actually said, not what others said, or the OT. I would live not by the church example of prejudice and hate named "goodness", but a life of actual tolerance, love and compassion.

(and BTW witch burning/hunting was NOT are catholic only activity, it actually only stopped being law in the last few hundred years - although the RC church killed more people than jews killed in ww2, so they are worse)

[andrewandrew]

Doug Stanhope - Would you Believe - YouTube

[paganus]

what christianity can do to you.cliff richard.need i say more?

[walsingham]

People believe that being "right" is a justification for murder, that being "good" is a justification for extortion, and that someone being "evil" is justification for war. The teachings of duality, of right and wrong, good and evil, and light and darkness are used to sway humanity to this cause or that.

So if a man commits murder, to you thats perfectly acceptable and not in your eyes seen as "evil"?

Sound familiar? occultists are attacked for their spiritual beleifs, threatened with the christian concepts of curses, satan and demons and this is called "good". Witches are hung, this is called "good". War is waged, this is called "good". Homosexuals are hated and attacked - this is called "good". Still christianity stands in perpetual judgement of all, and uses this as justification for immoral behaviour and a complete lack of grace, tolerance and kindness - the absolute anti-thesis of jesus's example.

If you mean "Attacked" by people on internet forums who are too profane to understand your mysterious knowledge then how come when people like me, Sit down and read through occultic books and read stuff like "With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross", How on God's Prefect Green Earth, Can you defend that? Is it no wonder why people "hate" it?

To me, It seems as if Christians can be attacked by Occultist's but not the other away around?

So who is worshiping satan then? Calling wrong right and justifying it as the "will of god" and "goodness"? Your trying to save our souls right? what if cutting out our hearts would save our souls - would u do it?

You mean Pope Urban in around 1090, "God Will's it"? As before that, Ive never seen it written in our history books? Well anyhow, Just to let you know, At that time cira 1090s it was against everything the Roman Church stood for, And that little simple saying from the world's foremost occultist started an era of bloodshed against the Muslims. People then, Just as today, Give their minds away to hierarchical ideologies, And most of the time, OUT OF FEAR! You seem to forget that if you went against the status quo, You had your head cut off.

As for cutting out hearts, Is that what pagans used to do? Even till the 17th Century until the Spanish dealt with them.

Worshipping heirarchies of power (the church itself), the intervention of the church in your relationship with god and the _known_ false doctrine of the bible - praticing magick and paganism without knowing anything about how it works. Jesus was found by the three wise men via astrology, and yet thats forbidden and evil. Jesus said "if u have not sinned", and yet u judge and condemn. Jesus said "love thy neighbour", and you hate instead and live in fear of the devil. Jesus said that going to church will not save your soul, being good will - and yet u claim all other religion satanic, and condemn them all to hell.

I think you'll find the quote is "Judge not, Unless thee are ready to be judge" Again, Another little play on words, But i believe you are referring to incident when Jesus outlawed stoning people to death.

I've never read anywhere in the bible where Jesus commands people not to goto church? Nevermind Churches saving your soul, Yet again pure make-belief, The problem i have with people like you, You just rehash the same old myths.

The idea of Protestantism in its puritan form is that we are all free to make up our own minds, It was the major reasons why the bible was let lose on the general public. You people slate Christianity, But without the reformation, You wouldn't have the liberties you have today! If the Roman Church was still in control over Europe, The pope as its leader, I very much doubt you'd even have the bottle to post what you did. Jesuits would kill you for less an insult.

If i wanted to be christian, i could be three times the christian of 99.9% of the christians here, because i would listen to what jesus actually said, not what others said, or the OT. I would live not by the church example of prejudice and hate named "goodness", but a life of actual tolerance, love and compassion.

(and BTW witch burning/hunting was NOT are catholic only activity, it actually only stopped being law in the last few hundred years - although the RC church killed more people than jews killed in ww2, so they are worse)

Well i was raised a Catholic, Now a Protestant after many years of seeking TRUTH in this world, I Know what the Church has done, Its one of the main reason why im a Protestant.

[john white]

Now I might be misinformed BUT I thought that all christians where chatolics from the beginning. Then Martin Luther came along and split christians in two . Protestants and Catholics. Am I wrong or?

Actually, you are wrong. No christians were "Catholics" until Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and produced the Universal ("Catholic", I:E State approved) Church. So the first 350 years of the Religion were very different, kind of like little clusters of philosophical/religous study groups throughout the mediteranean area

[walsingham]

Actually, you are wrong. No christians were "Catholics" until Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and produced the Universal ("Catholic", I:E State approved) Church. So the first 350 years of the Religion were very different, kind of like little clusters of philosophical/religous study groups throughout the mediteranean area

And the British Isles, The first Christian King of the Britons was in the 2nd century AD.

[drael]

So if a man commits murder, to you thats perfectly acceptable and not in your eyes seen as "evil"?

My point is that "evil" is not justification for more "evil". Whats urs?

If u really want to know, i like to practice forgiveness and understanding, so i would not consider the man "evil", only the action. Even then, i would seek to understand and forgive.

However, i can also see how these terms are to a degree relative, not fixed absolutes. For example, many christians see the occult as "evil". Muslims see sex as "evil". Some prefer not to see good and evil at all, aiming for detachment, like buddhists. In some aspects, evil is perspective. If someone steals my bread, i may see it as evil. However, the person may need that bread to survive.

So probably a better way of putting it, is that i aim to be close and loving towards my fellow man. Virtues, like compassion, arent negative, like the concept of evil. U cant wage a war for compassion. U can wage one against "evil". In fact, anything can be justified by the concept of "evil", as i point out latter in this post, using ur remarks.

If you mean "Attacked" by people on internet forums who are too profane to understand your mysterious knowledge then how come when people like me, Sit down and read through occultic books and read stuff like "With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross", How on God's Prefect Green Earth, Can you defend that? Is it no wonder why people "hate" it?

Yes, of course crowley, who hated organised religion and tried to rile them up, is the only occultist that ever existed, and all occult knowledge should be judged on the basis of one line of his books.

To me, It seems as if Christians can be attacked by Occultist's but not the other away around?

This makes me wonder if we exist in the same reality. I suggest u do a search for "demon possession" or "the devil" and "occult", and see what comes up. I probably would barely talk to christians (apart from convivial conversation!), but they always attack my beleifs, hence the post.

I've never read anywhere in the bible where Jesus commands people not to goto church? Nevermind Churches saving your soul, Yet again pure make-belief, The problem i have with people like you, You just rehash the same old myths.

Yes, people like me, how jesus-like of u. U have a problem with me? nice, i love u too. No, the quote goes something like "the good man, who does not go to church has more chance of getting into heaven than the sinner who does", more or less. I went to church, so if its mythology, its yours not mine.

"Judge not, Unless thee are ready to be judge"

Yup, same difference.

Cant really see how uv refuted any of my points. Am i missing something?

Even till the 17th Century until the Spanish dealt with them.

Yeah nice. One person killed, by his own hand, more people than all the jews in ww2! A great example of "good" being used to justify evil. And ur actually supporting it here, in ur post, in black and white. Thank u for clearly underlining and proving my point! Now is that "compassion", "tolerance", or "patience"?

[kblood]

If you mean "Attacked" by people on internet forums who are too profane to understand your mysterious knowledge then how come when people like me, Sit down and read through occultic books and read stuff like "With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross", How on God's Prefect Green Earth, Can you defend that? Is it no wonder why people "hate" it?


So we can take a book like the witches hammer, and say that is the core of christianity? So when people like you sit down and read occultisc books, then judge the auther, not everything the book is about.

It does sound like you are refering to Crowley, and if books written millenias after occultism began, are to declare what exactly occultism and the occult is, then you simply are too narrow minded. I guess your religion might have helped you with that, it doesnt allow much room for openmindedness. In fact, your book says the Earth is flat... and it was written at least 500 years after the person it is about had died.

To me, It seems as if Christians can be attacked by Occultist's but not the other away around?


You didnt read the whole mirror thread of this one? So of course it is both ways around, but so far the christian answers have simply not have much to back up their claims, very much like your claims.

As for cutting out hearts, Is that what pagans used to do? Even till the 17th Century until the Spanish dealt with them.


Yea, christians just say to all the bloodshed caused by earlier christians, "They were not true christians", well people calling themselves knights of god, and others who claimed to be gods followers, still killed thousands of muslims, and thousands of supposed witchcraft users.

I think you'll find the quote is "Judge not, Unless thee are ready to be judge" Again, Another little play on words, But i believe you are referring to incident when Jesus outlawed stoning people to death.


Yes, which is why christians should not at all be surprised when attacked on this forum, or elsewhere :p

I am not all that pro occult, but I am against the spreading of lies.

[phildee3]

what christianity can do to you.cliff richard.need i say more?



Christianity didn't turn Cliff into a prick;
he always was one. :)

[mariag]

Actually, you are wrong. No christians were "Catholics" until Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and produced the Universal ("Catholic", I:E State approved) Church. So the first 350 years of the Religion were very different, kind of like little clusters of philosophical/religous study groups throughout the mediteranean area

I have to dig into this further , Theology is very interesting :)

[mariag]

deary me,

...what 'religion' can do if you put your mind to it

hope i never 'cross' it

:D
When you come down to it , it is not the religions itself that do the things. It´s the mind constitution that causes it :)

[strider]

http://astro.ic.ac.uk/%7Emortlock/party/vicar.jpg

[strider]

http://www.chairmanmoo.co.uk/images/news/evilvicar.jpg

[strider]

http://imagechan.com/img/images/religion.jpg

[mariag]

Just have to take a peek at the other thread like the one "what messing with the occult does to you" to see what messing with christianity does. :D

[paganus]

Just have to take a peek at the other thread like the one "what messing with the occult does to you" to see what messing with christianity does. :Dvery true! what a bunch of brainwashed,bigoted twats!:mad:

[mariag]

very true! what a bunch of brainwashed,bigoted twats!:mad:

Oh dear paganus you should not say brainwashed , hush hush , someone may want EVIDENCE or ask us to SHUT up lol hehehe well I think you are right ...

Ps we should work out a secret code since we are "occultists" :)

[paganus]

Oh dear paganus you should not say brainwashed , hush hush , someone may want EVIDENCE or ask us to SHUT up lol hehehe well I think you are right ...

Ps we should work out a secret code since we are "occultists" :)lol! i'll devise one and send it to you!

[mariag]

lol! i'll devise one and send it to you!

He he Oki doki

[cheeb]

very true! what a bunch of brainwashed,bigoted twats!:mad:

Jesus was not a christian anyway!!!
He was an essene/nazarite,
Like Samson,

These Christards follow a schism,
A Pauline doctrine,
That come to fruitition at the Council of Nicea,
They are being led by dark forces,
but are to stubborn to admit to it.
Pride before a fall, eh!!!

And Jesus answered: "Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word.

The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves.

For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture, which is without life.
God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man.
God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood, your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and in every little part of your body.

They are present in the air, in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in the sunbeams, in the depths and in the heights.

They all speak to you that you may understand the tongue and the will of the living God.

But you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears that you may not hear.

I tell you truly, that the scripture is the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our God.
Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God, which are written in His works?

And wherefore do you study the dead scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?"

Oh Well,
It's their choice!!!

"But Jesus told him, 'Follow me, and let the dead bury the dead.'"
Luke9:59-62

:rolleyes:

[bigus_dickus]

the irony of "messing" with any religion or any path, is that you need to assume that (the whatever) God is on your side.

[lydia78]

Jesus was not a christian anyway!!!
He was an essene/nazarite,
Like Samson,

These Christards follow a schism,
A Pauline doctrine,
That come to fruitition at the Council of Nicea,
They are being led by dark forces,
but are to stubborn to admit to it.
Pride before a fall, eh!!!

And Jesus answered: "Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word.

The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves.

For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture, which is without life.
God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man.
God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood, your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and in every little part of your body.

They are present in the air, in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in the sunbeams, in the depths and in the heights.

They all speak to you that you may understand the tongue and the will of the living God.

But you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears that you may not hear.

I tell you truly, that the scripture is the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our God.
Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God, which are written in His works?

And wherefore do you study the dead scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?"

Oh Well,
It's their choice!!!

"But Jesus told him, 'Follow me, and let the dead bury the dead.'"
Luke9:59-62

:rolleyes:


1637

says it all.

[thirdwave]

Sit down and read through occultic books and read stuff like "With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross", How on God's Prefect Green Earth, Can you defend that? Is it no wonder why people "hate" it?


2 things...

1, why is it you say you can read a few lines in one book buy 1 man who teaches Magick, and then decide to make complete judgement on Magick based on that?? It all very clear that Magick can be used for Evil..... MASS EVIL ... no one is saying it cant... what they are saying is it can also be used for GOOD, its not evil in its self.... it is simply knowledge... and the effects are down to the intent and understanding of the user.

2, With out getting into a pro or anti Crowley debate... Crowley like most people into Magick, do not believe in Jesus or Christianity, they see it as fake.... this does not make them Anti Christian as such .. simply not convinced by it and there for have no effect from it... lines like the one you have quoted do not mean what the church would think it means..., as he is talking about a mythological person in his eyes.... more a case of being nasty to Christians than being nasty to Jesus...

[baron von lotsov]

1637

says it all.


About how you think. You might have noticed that early paintings and the like did not use perspective, they were 2 dimensional. But your mind jumps to a conclusion based on your prejudices and the way you think.

[bicycle]

what christianity can do to you.cliff richard.need i say more?

:D

[strider]

About how you think. You might have noticed that early paintings and the like did not use perspective, they were 2 dimensional. But your mind jumps to a conclusion based on your prejudices and the way you think.

Some of us have a sense of humour baron...

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

Look it up..

[baron von lotsov]

Some of us have a sense of humour baron...

www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com)

Look it up..


It's not the sort of thing that makes me laugh. It seems you have a rather sordid sense of humour.

[strider]

It's not the sort of thing that makes me laugh. It seems you have a rather sordid sense of humour.

Got it in one... Here's a blue peter badge..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/bluepeter/podcast/bpvideopodcast300.jpg

[kblood]

It's not the sort of thing that makes me laugh. It seems you have a rather sordid sense of humour.

Personally I find it better than trying to blame occultism for teenager suicides. That painted glass image have been used in the "Have a laugh" section before. At least you werent trying to be funny about that thread.

I guess it is a kinda sordid humour, but sometimes sordid humour makes it easier to deal with things that would otherwise be a depressing subject. It would have been a bad joke if it was made when it was all over the news several years ago, but today it seems somewhat harmless to me.

People living their lives fighting natural instincts are neglecting their body. That part of christianity I never did understand.

[phildee3]

People living their lives fighting natural instincts are neglecting their body. That part of christianity I never did understand.



That's because it's not a part of Christianity.

It's a part of Roman Catholicism (just one of the many fake-christian sects) -
a political movement aimed at total control of the people.

All other sects (including the orthodox, and other catholics) have married clergy and have no higher incidence of paedophilia than does the general population, btw.

[baron von lotsov]

People living their lives fighting natural instincts are neglecting their body. That part of christianity I never did understand.

I don't follow. How is being Christian opposed to natural instincts? Indeed I think it is the opposite in that the elite try and pervert nature, e.g. homosexuality, sex without love and generally providing a diet of rubbish that is all about distorting human values. As I keep saying the plot is to treat us like animals and encourage us to behave as such. You see animals are easy to control, they are dumb and stupid and very predictable. The last thing the elite want is a sophisticated proletariat.

[strider]

I don't follow. How is being Christian opposed to natural instincts?

LOL

[lizzy]

I don't follow. How is being Christian opposed to natural instincts? Indeed I think it is the opposite in that the elite try and pervert nature, e.g. homosexuality, sex without love and generally providing a diet of rubbish that is all about distorting human values. As I keep saying the plot is to treat us like animals and encourage us to behave as such. You see animals are easy to control, they are dumb and stupid and very predictable. The last thing the elite want is a sophisticated proletariat.

I agree.

However, I have recently discovered that the Vatican is primarily controlled by the Jesuits. That Jesuits are actually Jews.!!!!!!!
Another 1700 yr hoax perpetrated to control the masses.!!!!!!!:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

I agree.

However, I have recently discovered that the Vatican is primarily controlled by the Jesuits. That Jesuits are actually Jews.!!!!!!!
Another 1700 yr hoax perpetrated to control the masses.!!!!!!!:eek:

......................................
Agreed

I'd be more concerned about what's contained within the Protocols of Zion and the Babylonian Talmud than the Bible.

[thirdwave]

of course its a hoax... the vast majority of Religions are all a hoax.

this is why they are based on faith and not fact.

which is very convenient!

[devyn]

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/statuesk/Christianity.jpg

:D

[kblood]

That's because it's not a part of Christianity.

It's a part of Roman Catholicism (just one of the many fake-christian sects) -
a political movement aimed at total control of the people.

All other sects (including the orthodox, and other catholics) have married clergy and have no higher incidence of paedophilia than does the general population, btw.

They are still part of christianity, otherwise try looking it up.

Also that was why I said I didnt understand that part of christianity. Im not making the mistake of assuming all christians think alike.

If you got your own idea about what true christianity is, then please explain that one, since it is hard to guess :)

I don't follow. How is being Christian opposed to natural instincts? Indeed I think it is the opposite in that the elite try and pervert nature, e.g. homosexuality, sex without love and generally providing a diet of rubbish that is all about distorting human values. As I keep saying the plot is to treat us like animals and encourage us to behave as such. You see animals are easy to control, they are dumb and stupid and very predictable. The last thing the elite want is a sophisticated proletariat.

Again, I wrote that part of christianity... or have you just accepted all of christianity to be one and the same? That would explain your thread warning about everything occult, since you seem to have done the very same regarding everything occult :)

Homosexuality existed long before christianity every did. I dont think I agree with your views on it, but then I dont really pay that subject much thought.

I was refering to roman catholism, as it is apparantly called. All in this order seem to make a vow of chasiity I think it is called, and arent to have sex. When it comes to nuns and monks some of them were not even allowed to marry, they had simply given their life to worship god.

I have to say I think homosexuals are more natural than that... :)

[kblood]

Oh, I do agree with the last part you wrote Baron. They want the the world to be easy to control, and need all religions to be as easy to influence as possible.

Not just religions, also occult societies, pagan groups and whatever else there might be of groups that are in power in some way.

[drael]

Nothing is empty of truth - the truth is everywhere. Nothing public or known is free of alteration - half-lies are the perpetual tactic. Our common ground is our nuclear weapon - lets use it! May we all learn to read BETWEEN the lines, and find what is hidden in plain sight. The guide:

Does it serve the self, or the whole?

[lizzy]

of course its a hoax... the vast majority of Religions are all a hoax.

this is why they are based on faith and not fact.

which is very convenient!

Well the FACT is most of the NWO keeps leading back to Jews. :eek:

[paganus]

Well the FACT is most of the NWO keeps leading back to Jews. :eek:
ZIONISTS! jews are anti-NWO because they want to be seperate and 'special'

[lizzy]

ZIONISTS! jews are anti-NWO because they want to be seperate and 'special'

How's that ?

[eternal_spirit]

If you want to know NWO read protocols of Zion.

Okay I think it was written by Zionist Jews, what's contained in this book was written a long time ago and if you notice what's going on in the World Today it fits the plans, description contained within the Protocols, so therefore that's my evidence to show it' the real deal.

[eternal_spirit]

a fake i think you'll find.


..........................

I disagree, are you a Jew?

[paganus]

..........................

I disagree, are you a Jew?no.im a Pagan as i think you well know

[eternal_spirit]

no.im a Pagan as i think you well know


.....................................

Okay. So why do you think the Protocols are fake?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-protocols-folder.html

[paganus]

.....................................

Okay. So why do you think the Protocols are fake?because anyone beliving in the bible would be too stupid to secretly run the world.

[eternal_spirit]

Some people believe all they read about witches being burnt etc by Christians. But disbelieve satanists etc dont do sacrafice etc or do bad deeds, spot the irony?

BTW before you gang up on me lol :D I'm not religious.

[eternal_spirit]

because anyone beliving in the bible would be too stupid to secretly run the world.
........................

Okay, thanks for disproving that you have any proof to offer.

[paganus]

Some people believe all they read about witches being burnt etc by Christians. But disbelieve satanists etc dont do sacrafice etc or do bad deeds, spot the irony?

BTW before you gang up on me lol :D I'm not religious.actually,we were only burnt in scotland and in continental europe.in england and u.s we were hung.

[paganus]

........................

Okay, thanks for disproving that you have any proof to offer.sure,according to most here on this site the NWO are Pagans/satanists.point made?

[eternal_spirit]

actually,we were only burnt in scotland and in continental europe.in england and u.s we were hung.

.............................

These stories used to make me angry against the church, but I'm older and have wised up since, because if you look to the roots of you own religion groups etc, you have the Whicker man plus all kinds of human sacrafice, killig of Christians..... galore in ancient cultures, religions.

Much occult practices comes from Religions, the canannites would sacrafice children to the demon sun God Bal, Bil, bel.... same thing, remains of the sacraficial victims have been found at these sites, so it's well documented. So two wrongs don't make a right.

Most here believe that TPTB at the top are evil black magicians. Of course Today most Christians, pagans etc are good people.

[phildee3]

If you got your own idea about what true christianity is, then please explain that one, since it is hard to guess



That would take awhile.
Rudolf Steirner has already explained it and it is published, - much of it available, free, online from the Anthroposophical society.

Not that I'm a "follower" of Steiner - I'm not - I came to the same conclusions independently.

NB. It's not "my" idea.
Nor Steiner's.
Ideas exist independently - we do not own them - we grasp them, we do not beget them.

[phildee3]

If you got your own idea about what true christianity is, then please explain that one, since it is hard to guess



In Britain, kblood, true Christianity was that which was practiced before the Synod of Whitby - when the Romans took over the church.

Known as "Celtic Christianity" - which was synchronous with the native Druidry at the time.

[damagedbrainn]

If you want to know NWO read protocols of Zion.

Okay I think it was written by Zionist Jews, what's contained in this book was written a long time ago and if you notice what's going on in the World Today it fits the plans, description contained within the Protocols, so therefore that's my evidence to show it' the real deal.

The Protocols were largely plagiarized from the book Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu by Maurice Joly. It was a satire in the form of a dialogue between the two named characters in criticism of the current French leadership.

http://www.geocities.com/net3431/Dialogues_In_Hell.html

[cheeb]

The Protocols were largely plagiarized from the book Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu by Maurice Joly. It was a satire in the form of a dialogue between the two named characters in criticism of the current French leadership.

http://www.geocities.com/net3431/Dialogues_In_Hell.html

Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu — Project Gutenberg: The 1864 political satire by Maurice Joly, Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (Dialogues in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu) attacks the political ambitions of Napoleon III by using the device of diabolical plotters in Hell. Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu, available in HTML and plain text format at Project Gutenberg, is one of the plagiarized sources of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (Joly's work contains no references to Jews, incidentally.) For those of you who do not read French, Dialogues in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, was published in English in 2005.

:rolleyes:

[lizzy]

sure,according to most here on this site the NWO are Pagans/satanists.point made?

You are not the NWO , what you do however is unwittngly promote their cause.
TPTB want us dabbling in the satanic , it unhinges many minds. They WANT a mentally unhealthy populous,........
TPTB love pagans they have no Faith with which to root themselves when the shit hits the fan.

[lizzy]

Peganus.......
As eternal said.........

" Two wrongs do NOT make a right ", GET IT!!!!!



TPTB MUST REALLY ROLL OVER LAUGHING. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR OPPOSSITION. WHAT JOKERS WE MUST LOOK.!!!!!!

[lizzy]

.............................

These stories used to make me angry against the church, but I'm older and have wised up since, because if you look to the roots of you own religion groups etc, you have the Whicker man plus all kinds of human sacrafice, killig of Christians..... galore in ancient cultures, religions.

Much occult practices comes from Religions, the canannites would sacrafice children to the demon sun God Bal, Bil, bel.... same thing, remains of the sacraficial victims have been found at these sites, so it's well documented. So two wrongs don't make a right.

Most here believe that TPTB at the top are evil black magicians. Of course Today most Christians, pagans etc are good people.

Thankyou ES , some common sense.


The Catholic Chuch is controlled by the Jesuits. .....JEWS.:eek:

The NWO is controlled by the JEWS and their Neo Con "christian", LOL.
lackies..:mad:

Who do we fight.? Eachother or the NWO.:rolleyes:

I choose the NWO and if others want to run around casting spells , I don't give a dam.:eek:

[thirdwave]

.............................

These stories used to make me angry against the church, but I'm older and have wised up since, because if you look to the roots of you own religion groups etc, you have the Whicker man plus all kinds of human sacrafice, killig of Christians..... galore in ancient cultures, religions.

Much occult practices comes from Religions, the canannites would sacrafice children to the demon sun God Bal, Bil, bel.... same thing, remains of the sacraficial victims have been found at these sites, so it's well documented. So two wrongs don't make a right.

Most here believe that TPTB at the top are evil black magicians. Of course Today most Christians, pagans etc are good people.

if you don't mind me asking.. Are you a Christian?... and if so why not? ... because you are always defending it strongly... so why are you not actually a Christian?

[thirdwave]

TPTB want us dabbling in the satanic ,

satanic, or occult?

then why did they call it the occult (which means hidden knowledge), kill many people who practised it through history .. and today push millions and millions of $ into religion... none of which practice the occult

?



I choose the NWO and if others want to run around casting spells , I don't give a dam.

The people pushing the NWO have been casting spells , thats why their winning!

[kblood]

In Britain, kblood, true Christianity was that which was practiced before the Synod of Whitby - when the Romans took over the church.

Known as "Celtic Christianity" - which was synchronous with the native Druidry at the time.

Again I would have to look into this Steiner person. Going to one of his schools didnt reveal much about him amazingly enough. Only that he used scrying I guess, and that was only due to the religion teacher I had that I found out about that.

Lizzy, sorry if I am a bit behind, but what exactly is tptb(The powers the be)? You make it sounds as if they are the illuminati, while I have always thought of tptb to be a spiritual kind of thing. Spirits overseeing the use of magick overall not too unbalanced and that sort of thing.

As for Pagans not having firm believes, well it is quite possible to have firm beliefs although it might not be beliefs someone else defined for you by writing them into a book. If tptb loves and favors pagans, then it certainly is because of their free souls, as I see it. Trying to live with the world instead of against it. Mostly paganism is about loving nature and not going against the ways of nature and Earth. Even the negative sides of paganism is not against nature and Earth, it even contributes to the cycles of nature and spirituality.

The elite however dont truly seem pagan to me, since the few things paganism is about as far as I know is something they seem to be working against.

[thirdwave]

I think this video puts across some very interesting points...

Ok I know they interview a few numb skulls before anyone points that out.. but never the less the facts are quite interesting...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=73_IjNPmIEI

http://www.thegodmovie.com/

[seanx]

Thankyou ES , some common sense.


The Catholic Chuch is controlled by the Jesuits. .....JEWS.

The NWO is controlled by the JEWS and their Neo Con "christian", LOL.
lackies..

Who do we fight.? Eachother or the NWO.

I choose the NWO and if others want to run around casting spells , I don't give a dam

Tomorow moring go into your local supermmarket ....and look at
all the different types of washing powder you can buy.

They are hundreds of brands- all claiming to be different and all
targeting different markets.

They even advertise against each other.

However, look closer and you'll see that they are all owned by
THE same companies.

A simple trick but very effective. Especially if they want some
workers in some companies to become more competitive ( ie take
a cut in wages - because this other 'company' is more productive
than you)

it's all an ILLUSION.

Same with your jews, christians and Muslims. They have you's
conned and fighting and blaming each other.

You'd think after centuries, we'd wake up to this con...but as the
above posts shws clearly not.

'It's them , Gov'. 'No, it's not- it's them, Gov, really - they're the evil ones'.

And on it goes......

[carlg1212]

Here's a thought: maybe the occult is just as bad as Christianity.

[thirdwave]

Luke 12:10
Everyone who speaks a word against the son of Man will be forgiven, But anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
-------------------------------------------------
Mark 3:29
Whosoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but guilty of eternal sin.
-------------------------------------------------

"Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." -Jesus (luke 19:27)
-------------------------------------------------


Harmony Of The Gospels Series-22, Mt 15:21-28 (also Mk 7:24-30)

"Jesus then left Galilee and went north to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Gentile woman who lived there came to him, pleading, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! For my daughter has a demon in her, and it is severely tormenting her." But Jesus gave her no reply—not even a word. Then his disciples urged him to send her away. "Tell her to leave," they said. "She is bothering us with all her begging." Then he said to the woman, "I was sent only to help the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep—not the Gentiles." But she came and worshiped him and pleaded again, "Lord, help me!" "It isn’t right to take food from the children and throw it to the dogs," he said. "Yes, Lord," she replied, "but even dogs are permitted to eat crumbs that fall beneath their master’s table." "Woman," Jesus said to her, "your faith is great. Your request is granted." And her daughter was instantly healed."

[times7]

Luke 12:10
Everyone who speaks a word against the son of Man will be forgiven, But anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
-------------------------------------------------
Mark 3:29
Whosoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but guilty of eternal sin.
-------------------------------------------------

"Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me." -Jesus (luke 19:27)
-------------------------------------------------


Harmony Of The Gospels Series-22, Mt 15:21-28 (also Mk 7:24-30)

"Jesus then left Galilee and went north to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Gentile woman who lived there came to him, pleading, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! For my daughter has a demon in her, and it is severely tormenting her." But Jesus gave her no reply—not even a word. Then his disciples urged him to send her away. "Tell her to leave," they said. "She is bothering us with all her begging." Then he said to the woman, "I was sent only to help the people of Israel—God’s lost sheep—not the Gentiles." But she came and worshiped him and pleaded again, "Lord, help me!" "It isn’t right to take food from the children and throw it to the dogs," he said. "Yes, Lord," she replied, "but even dogs are permitted to eat crumbs that fall beneath their master’s table." "Woman," Jesus said to her, "your faith is great. Your request is granted." And her daughter was instantly healed."

what version of the Bible are you using third wave ?

you have posted corrupted texts

[optimus pigpot]

what version of the Bible are you using third wave ?

you have posted corrupted texts

The bible is a corrupted book so to corrupt it would be impossible.

Well done to one and all!!!

[auron]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4869/wwwmyemoticonscomgigglexh7.gif

Hehe, the old debate on religion has resurfaced once again. Lol.

What are we expecting to achieve here??

That suddenly one day, someone will make a post that completely destroys all the other previous debates in one swift swoop???

"Yeah, I have the ultimate proof God does not exist!"

"Yey!! Well done! The religion debate has finally been won!! WOO HOO!!"

You're all chasing your own tails.

Sit back and relax.

Debate is meanigless.

:cool:

[amethyst]

The bible is a corrupted book so to corrupt it would be impossible.

Well done to one and all!!!

Hello piggypot :)

[amethyst]

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4869/wwwmyemoticonscomgigglexh7.gif

Hehe, the old debate on religion has resurfaced once again. Lol.

What are we expecting to achieve here??

That suddenly one day, someone will make a post that completely destroys all the other previous debates in one swift swoop???

"Yeah, I have the ultimate proof God does not exist!"

"Yey!! Well done! The religion debate has finally been won!! WOO HOO!!"

You're all chasing your own tails.

Sit back and relax.

Debate is meanigless.

:cool:

Debate is meaningless.......discussion is good.

[auron]

I'm not going to debate this with you. :p

[amethyst]

I'm not going to debate this with you. :p

LOL

[optimus pigpot]

Hello piggypot :)

Let us not debate then!!!

Good idea Auron.

I dare everyone not to post any debatable thing for a day!!!

No controversy. Nothing. Just hard facts.

I'll start then. The Sun is still shining from where I can see it. But is it? Or do I just think it is? Shit...... Start again!

I consider my self to be sitting by a toilet roll that is to my right.

There we are. As factual as it can get.

Remember you've got to do this for only one day. Nothing debatable, only facts. It may get slightly boring I know but lets give it a go anyway.

What say YOU forumites........

[phildee3]

Here's a thought: maybe the occult is just as bad as Christianity.



Here's another:
maybe it's just as good.

And another;
maybe neither is "bad" nor "good."

Maybe badness and goodness are only in people; -
people who might be Christians, occultists, accountants, plumbers, or anything else.

[abhie]

The Jesus scam:

Read Atwill's Caesers Messiah.

I'd made a thread a while back.

[thirdwave]

what version of the Bible are you using third wave ?

you have posted corrupted texts

Please forward the originals....


The original texts on Christianity did not have anything to do with Jesus's life...so on, only the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of him..... the rest was added many many years later.... infact the only info on Jesus and his life we have to go on is from what was written in the 4 selected gospels which where written at the very least 70 years after Jesus was meant to have died and after previous texts of Christ was written........

the quotes probably are corrupt, as the bible has always been tampered with from the word go.... and other books through out history have been burnt and anyone with knowledge of them killed... so yes these quotes are corrupt, but genuine bible quotes.... infact I have seen the one of the women begging for Jesus to heel her son explained allot worse... but could not find it..

IMO the only thing that is genuine would be the texts written by Paul... and who knows how accurate they are.

[seanx]

Auron wrote:
Hehe, the old debate on religion has resurfaced once again. Lol.

What are we expecting to achieve here??

That suddenly one day, someone will make a post that completely destroys all the other previous debates in one swift swoop???

"Yeah, I have the ultimate proof God does not exist!"

"Yey!! Well done! The religion debate has finally been won!! WOO HOO!!"

You're all chasing your own tails.

Sit back and relax.

Debate is meanigless.

Perfect post.

The same as some Tao Chinese guy once say: 'Stop talking. Stop
thinking and start feeling.........and all will be revealed.'

[thirdwave]

Auron wrote:


Perfect post.

The same as some Tao Chinese guy once say: 'Stop talking. Stop
thinking and start feeling.........and all will be revealed.'

I agree no one is going to go "oh...shit! ...sorry, i will stop being a Christian now" ..i think its pretty safe to say that wont happen....

But I think its always good to push this alternative info out there so people who want to learn are also provided with 2 sides of the story, presented with more than 1 perspective...... and lets face it, one side has been pretty much been over looked for quite some time.

I also don't think Christians should stop being Christians.... they are obviously doing it because they need something to have a faith in...well ok, fine... but at some point they will have to start to re think things and have a deeper look into what its all about, and what is going on in the world today is very relevant to that....all religions.... all people.

best to keep being poked than be untouched and just end up receiving an almighty wack in the face...

[resistance]

I stumbled accross this website while doing some research, must say that reading some of this stuff sent shivers down my spine, it goes in depth of how religion controls the masses and why? what does anybody else think of this stuff?

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

[deliciously_fresh]

I stumbled accross this website while doing some research, must say that reading some of this stuff sent shivers down my spine, it goes in depth of how religion controls the masses and why? what does anybody else think of this stuff?

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/

I think that the author made interesting points, but the fact that this is a pro-Satan website certainly leaves me slightly weary. Biased much?

[thirdwave]

interesting...

It may be a Satan site... but it seems to think "Satan" has been mistaken

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Father_Satan.gif

I have heard this kind of stuff before but have never read much about it...

[deliciously_fresh]

interesting...

It may be a Satan site... but it seems to think "Satan" has been mistaken

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Father_Satan.gif

I have heard this kind of stuff before but have never read much about it...

If you click on 'home' at the bottom of the page, it sends you to their main homepage joyofsatan.com

I hardly expect Satanists to present an objective stance on Christianity. :rolleyes:

You wouldn't ask a die-hard vegetarian to speak of the virtues of eating meat. :D

[thirdwave]

If you click on 'home' at the bottom of the page, it sends you to their main homepage joyofsatan.com

I hardly expect Satanists to present an objective stance on Christianity. :rolleyes:

You wouldn't ask a die-hard vegetarian to speak of the virtues of eating meat. :D

From what I gather... (whether they are right or wrong) their point is the whole meaning of him and his agenda is miss quoted and that he shares the same values as we do.....

Name of Satan


After several years of intense and extensive research, it has all come together.

1. The bible was invented in order to keep esoteric knowledge and mind/soul power in the hands of a select few.

2. Christianity, which began with the Catholic Church, was invented to physically enforce the above and also, to destroy and to replace the original religions. The original religions centered around the reverence for the serpent. The serpent is the symbol of the kundalini. The "Tree of Knowledge" is really the map of the human soul. It is seen in nearly every ancient religion pre-dating Judeo/Christianity. The trunk symbolizes the spine, and the branches symbolize the chakras and the kundalini pathways. There are 144,000 nadis (channels for the kundalini life force) within the human soul. The kabbalistic tree of life is upsidedown and evolved much later than the original trees.

The Buddah sat beneath the "Bo Tree" and achieved enlightenment. "Bo means serpent, as in Bo-A or Boo-Ta."¹ The Christian Church stole, twisted and corrupted everthing they could from the original religions. The fig tree was known as "The Tree of Wisdom" Ficus religiosa.² The xian church corrupted this with the placing of fig leaves over the genitals of Adam and Eve.

3. "Satan" in Hebrew means "adversary," but the Hebrew language was derived from other languages that preceded it by hundreds to thousands of years. The Hebrew letters are derived from Phoenician and Phoenician was derived from hieroglyphics; cuneiform- just research any text book on the origins of languages.

Now, the word "Satan" goes back much, much further than the Hebrew definition. Here is a link everyone should check out.
Note in the upper northwest corner of the map of India, the name of the town "Satana."

"Satnam" and "Sa Ta Na Ma" are sacred mantras used in kundalini (serpent) meditation. The five primal sounds in Ancient Sanskrit, one of the oldest known languages are "SA-TA-NA-MA." "Sa" means infinity; Ta means life; Na means death; and Ma means rebirth. The Jews who wrote the bible, obviously at some point shortened "Sa-Ta-Na-Ma" to "Satan" which cuts off at death. This was in further attempts to remove knowledge and replace it. The nazarene was invented as a distraction for the masses and nothing more.

All of this has to do with the kundalini life force (the serpent) within us. "Jacob's coat of colors" in the bible is the aura. The number seven is the chakras. The interpreters of the old grimoires have it all wrong about the "seven planets." The ancients knew much more than given credit for regarding astronomy.

Anyone familiar with Chinese medicine and advanced martial arts is aware of the chi (the life force, same as the kundalini) and how it is more active in certain pathways in the body on certain days and hours. I uploaded a chart to the meditations section for this. The authors of alchemy texts in those days put their writings in codes in order to escape persecution by the church.

The sun was another object of veneration for the original religions. This was because of the pure, raw power it bestowed and as it is the source of all life. Drawing down the moon or absorbing energy from the stars is nothing compared to what can be done under the sun, given the knowledge and training. JoS clergy members know this. Holes in the aura are healed and the life force is amplified as with no other source of light.

"Lucifer" was also given to our beloved Father as a name. Lucifer was originally a Roman God with no connection to our Father Satan/Ea. The prefix "Luc" has to do with light. The soul needs light. The morning star, Venus, was a source of light for the ancients as its rising preceded the all-important sun. Venus also rules the important heart chakra.

Father Satan (I prefer to call him Satan, personally), told me he has no problem with people calling him by the names he has been known by for centuries, even though they are inaccurate. I call him Father Satan whenever I communicate with him or thank him for something. To me "Satan" will always mean "adversary," adversary to the enemy lie of Judeo/Christianity.

The Catholic Church knew the original religions had to be replaced with something else and this is where all of the stories in the bible came from. They are all rip-offs from the originals, which had their origins long before Judeo/Christianity ever reared its ugly head.

The Virgin Mary stole from and replaced Astaroth, who was bound, as "the Lady of Heaven." Astaroth was the most popular Goddess in the pre-Christian world. Fictitious Jehova ripped off from Enlil/Beelzebub/Baal, who was the most popular God in the pre-Christian world, and then there is our beloved Creator Father Satan/Ea who wound up as the Serpent and the Devil.

Sexuality, which is the primary aspect of the life force, automatically came under intense scrutiny by the church. Orgasm directly stimulates the kundalini serpent the base of the spine. The creative energy needed to produce another human life can be used to revamp one's life force which advances and empowers one's soul.
Obviously sexual activity could not be prohibited, so fear was used to place it under strict regulation. In the xian religions, especially the Catholic Church of old, all sexual pleasure was sinful and prohibited by the church. Intercourse was only to produce children and nothing more. Nakedness became a sin because it led to lust. Masturbation was another "mortal sin." Anything that had to do with the raising of the kundalini was severely attacked by the church. The sole purpose of the Christian Church was for the removal of knowledge and nothing more.

While the masses have been stripped of this knowledge and power, a select few who have worked to remove this knowledge use it liberally to enslave the unknowing world. The Jesuit assassins of the Catholic Church are known to even levitate as they draw off of the psychic power from the prayers of their unknowing vicitms.

¹Cloak of the Illuminati by William Henry, 2003
² Ibid.
Although this book has a lot of valuable information if one reads between the lines, the author is deluded as he believes in the fictitious nazarene.

[eternal_spirit]

I think that the author made interesting points, but the fact that this is a pro-Satan website certainly leaves me slightly weary. Biased much?

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And the stories about the burning of witches is the main propaganda they use. Were is the archeoloigcal evidence etc?

[resistance]

I think that the author made interesting points, but the fact that this is a pro-Satan website certainly leaves me slightly weary. Biased much?


I thought the same, i am also quite carefull about what to believe, but some of the points made about religion, i believe to be true. I am not a satanist and never will be, but its quite apparant to me that religion and 'GOD' are not what they seem to be? things seem to have been turned around?

[deliciously_fresh]

From what I gather... (whether they are right or wrong) their point is the whole meaning of him and his agenda is miss quoted and that he shares the same values as we do.....

The same could be said of God and Christianity.

[thirdwave]

The same could be said of God and Christianity.

But they are just words and cover such a huge scope of faiths..... who ever this guy is.. he is just pushing another religion anyway, good or bad, so he is no better. Im just interested in education and knowledge.... who ever can give me that I will listen to... but I will never join any religion.

[deliciously_fresh]

I thought the same, i am also quite carefull about what to believe, but some of the points made about religion, i believe to be true. I am not a satanist and never will be, but its quite apparant to me that religion and 'GOD' are not what they seem to be? things seem to have been turned around?

Oh yes, I certainly agree.

When it comes to religion, it is certainly a task working through the minefield of lies, exaggerations and truths.

[deliciously_fresh]

But they are just words and cover such a huge scope of faiths..... who ever this guy is.. he is just pushing another religion anyway, good or bad, so he is no better. Im just interested in education and knowledge.... who ever can give me that I will listen to... but I will never join any religion.

I agree.

[chandrakavi]

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Hehe, the old debate on religion has resurfaced once again. Lol.

What are we expecting to achieve here??

That suddenly one day, someone will make a post that completely destroys all the other previous debates in one swift swoop???

"Yeah, I have the ultimate proof God does not exist!"

"Yey!! Well done! The religion debate has finally been won!! WOO HOO!!"

You're all chasing your own tails.

Sit back and relax.

Debate is meanigless.

:cool:

Great Post Auron!:D
Here is what Lao Tzu says similarly in the TAO TE CHING:
A good reminder for all of us:

"The Tao that can be told of
is not the absolute Tao.

And on the rise of relative opposites, he says:

When the people of the Earth all know beauty as beauty,
There arises (the recognition of) ugliness.
When the people of the Earth all know good as good,
There arises (the recognition of) evil.

Therefore:
Being and non-being intedepend in growth;
Difficult and easy interdepend in completion;
Long and short interdepend in contrast;
High and low interdepend in position;
Tones and voice interdepend in harmony;
Front and behind interdepend in company.

Therefore the sage:

Manages affairs without action;
Preaches the doctrine without words.
All things take their rise,
But he does not turn away from them;
He gives them life, but does not take possession of them;
He acts, but does not appropiate;
Accomplishes, but claims no credit.
It is because he lays claim to no credit
That the credit cannot be taken away from him." :D

[resistance]

But they are just words and cover such a huge scope of faiths..... who ever this guy is.. he is just pushing another religion anyway, good or bad, so he is no better. Im just interested in education and knowledge.... who ever can give me that I will listen to... but I will never join any religion.

same here, i am free from the chains of indoctrination, spiritual liberty is the way to go:)

[thirdwave]

same here, i am free from the chains of indoctrination, spiritual liberty is the way to go:)

yep, that way you can create your own religion just for you. :D

[carlg1212]

Here's another:
maybe it's just as good.

And another;
maybe neither is "bad" nor "good."

Maybe badness and goodness are only in people; -
people who might be Christians, occultists, accountants, plumbers, or anything else.

Exactly!

There are forces at work we may never understand, but they work. The force the Wiccans believe in may be the same as the Christian 'God'.

[times7]

Exactly!

There are forces at work we may never understand, but they work. The force the Wiccans believe in may be the same as the Christian 'God'.


Carlg1212



Wiccans ask spirits for help(witch craft)




Christ gave the spirit realm orders




There is no comparison

[carlg1212]

Wiccans ask spirits for help(witch craft)
Christ gave the spirit realm orders
There is no comparison

There's no question belief in & worship of God has it's benefits...but, it's illogical to base notions of spirituality on well-entrenched superstitions. For instance, not all Wiccans stir cauldrons and want to usher in the 'evil ones'. Not all Christians want to...well, be Christians. Didn't the Crusades prove that?

The use of the power of "The Spirit" has been harnessed for both good and evil. There appears to be a concerted effort by some to destroy this world with it's power.

It's up to us to usher in the Good, and that means Wicca and Christianity and Islam and all the others need to realize THAT THEY'RE WORSHIPPING THE SAME THING!!!!

If this doesn't make sense, it's because you're brainwashed.

[phildee3]

Wiccans ask spirits for help(witch craft)



Christian's too, ask for help - they call it "prayers of petition."
Jesus, too, prayed prayers of petition.



Christ gave the spirit realm orders



Wiccans give orders to spirits, too,
they call them "spells" (of banishment, etc.)



There is no comparison



It is quite valid to compare Christianity with Wicca.
To start with, both combine many different ideologies.

The main differences are
i) Christianity is much older, so it's ideas are more established/fixed.
Wicca is much younger, - 100 years or so.
ii) Wiccans generally place more importance on the minor "gods" than the supreme all-that-is, although there's no reason why one cannot be a Wiccan and place more emphasis on the one, supreme G_d.
Being still in it's infancy, it's very flexible in this way.

Wicca should not be confused with witchcraft (which is very, very old).
Some Wiccans employ witchcraft, - some "Christians" do.
And to give orders to spirits is much more in keeping with witchcraft than it is to ask them (which is much more Christian, I think, because it invites the will of our "heavenly father" to be done)!

[resistance]

You would think living a life chained by guilt and fear rather than freedom, would be enough to put people off religion, but alas it's not as simple as that.

Like most of the best illusions, this insidious one exploits several basically good human emotions, e.g the natural sense of wonder, awe and amazement which any thinking person cannot help but feel when confronted with the great, mysterious universe. Most people have a deep (if uncultivated) sense of mystery, and cannot help but question their place in the cosmic scheme of things. It is to this pure and wonderfull human emotion that the cancer of religion attaches itself. It then proceeds to weave a thick web of deceit, lies and illusion which destroys the victims natural sense of wonder and freedom, it usually replaces it with misery, anguish and hypocrisy.

Your life values, money and emotions are then signed over to the elite priesthood. Religion is a system invented by an elite priesthood who desire to extricate value from thier FLOCK.

It is NOT a one way ticket to heaven as those who practice religion are led to believe, infact quite the contrary in most cases.

[phildee3]

You would think living a life chained by guilt and fear rather than freedom, would be enough to put people off religion, but alas it's not as simple as that.

Like most of the best illusions, this insidious one exploits several basically good human emotions, e.g the natural sense of wonder, awe and amazement which any thinking person cannot help but feel when confronted with the great, mysterious universe. Most people have a deep (if uncultivated) sense of mystery, and cannot help but question their place in the cosmic scheme of things. It is to this pure and wonderfull human emotion that the cancer of religion attaches itself. It then proceeds to weave a thick web of deceit, lies and illusion which destroys the victims natural sense of wonder and freedom, it usually replaces it with misery, anguish and hypocrisy.

Your life values, money and emotions are then signed over to the elite priesthood. Religion is a system invented by an elite priesthood who desire to extricate value from thier FLOCK.

It is NOT a one way ticket to heaven as those who practice religion are led to believe, infact quite the contrary in most cases.



If you put the word "false" before each time you say "religion," then you are quite right.

[thirdwave]

there seems to be this thing I have noticed where many Christians actually cover up the fact they are Christian.

I think its because they thin people will judge them in a different light... so they make Christianity more logical ...because its not coming from a Christian as such... and this video has that.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=INttODEPzp0

[resistance]

If you put the word "false" before each time you say "religion," then you are quite right.

o.k fair enough, you have a valid point dude:)

[phildee3]

o.k fair enough, you have a valid point dude:)



Thanks.
I've just started reading "The Hidden Church of the Holy Grail" by A.E.Waite.
He makes the distinction between the outer and inner church very clear.

I'm not quite sure if all manifestations of the outer church are fake or not.
Perhaps in the early days they are not, but soon become corrupted.

[optimus pigpot]

And not worth bothering with in a striving to be totally free............