Freemasonry Q&A

[mwgdrwg]

You asked the same question to me and Mike has given a similar answer to me. You told me I was a liar. As a lot of people know the truth and we dont please, as asked before, show how we are liars?

when you answer my question honestly, i shall enter into discource with you
until such time, you are not to be trusted!
perhaps you misread my previous post to your request to explain how i know you are lying.

i declined to explain
perhaps you understand this time?

[meridiansun]

howmuch did it financially cost you to join in the begining?
please dont answer with the usual masonic time wasting lies.
a lot of people know the truthful answer to this question.
I paid £170 which included a joining fee, the yearly membership fee and dining fees (3 course meal with wine). I am estimating the meal would have cost around £50 (that's London for you) and I know the initial joining fee was £40.

[the guy in pink]

IQ`s:

Why is it so much about symbolism?

Masons use symbols to remind themselves of moral points.

In the main the symbols are taken from the building trade, and the new member symbolically recieves the tools of the trade at each stage of advancement, and is encouraged to refect on their meaning.

Of course a symbol can have very different meaning to different people

[mike martin]

yawn 150 a year this 50 quid that, another tow the line answer!

i'd be interested in one freemason who is able to answer this question honestly. this person might be worth talking to. the rest of you just prove yourselves to be congenital liars and not worth the effort

i have given you the oppurtunity to be honest and every single one of you so far has chosen to lie, how do you think this might colour the rest of your posts?

mike is interested to hear about my truthful answer, yet is incapable of responding to my "simple" question with nothing but lies and half truths.
when you answer my question honestly i will respond to your questions.
until then, i wish no discource with someone like you.

you aint to be trusted freaks!

Earth calling mwgdrwg..... crackle...... shizzz ...crackle.... This is earth calling can you read me mwgdrwg ..over.

What are you on about? You asked me a question, I told you the answer, you then accuse me of lying. Is it that your world view is under threat here?

Come on then tell me how much did it cost me.

As to the whole freak thing, in the words of Paul Weller "look no further than the mirror".

Mike

[the guy in pink]

yawn 150 a year this 50 quid that, another tow the line answer!
i'd be interested in one freemason who is able to answer this question honestly. this person might be worth talking to. the rest of you just prove yourselves to be congenital liars and not worth the effort

How about you tell us what you think the fees should be?
Then we can see where you are coming from.
Are you suggesting they are much lower or much higher?

[critical_analysis]

I understand that the only real secrets within your organisation today relate to passwords and what not, so can you tell us some of the things you have studied so far. Maybe even break down a few key things for each stage of your progression????

[eternal_spirit]

I understand that the only real secrets within your organisation today relate to passwords and what not, so can you tell us some of the things you have studied so far. Maybe even break down a few key things for each stage of your progression????

Here's one Tubal Caine Biblical connection Caine?

[critical_analysis]

Here's one Tubal Caine Biblical connection Caine?

Say what? :confused:

[eternal_spirit]

Say what? :confused:
password

[thelonious]

Where do you think this hierarchical structure in freemasonry originates from?

Actually, what makes Freemasonry unique in this is sense is that it was one of the first oranizations that was not hierarchical in nature. When Freemasonry was born, all of Europe was ruled by hierarchies, in both the church and the state. Freemasonry introduced the concept of a democratic form of government (where Lodge and Grand Lodge officials are elected by universal suffrage of the membership).

Why is it so much about symbolism?

Although the old saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" may seem quaint and corny, I believe it's the truth. Teaching via symbolism instead of dogma may seem strange these days, but it was the original manner of instruction (think about Egyptian hieroglyphs, etc.).

[thelonious]

Here's one Tubal Caine Biblical connection Caine?

No. Tubal Caine and Caine were two different people in the Bible.

[ninja17]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/010105grove2a.jpg

cool?

[thelonious]

I understand that the only real secrets within your organisation today relate to passwords and what not, so can you tell us some of the things you have studied so far. Maybe even break down a few key things for each stage of your progression????

Wow, that would be hard to do without writing a book. Some good ones are already out there that do this: I recommend Rex Hutchens' "A Bridge To Light", which gives a lot of detail for each degree in the Scottish Rite.

But, to try to sum it all up as briefly as possible, the first three degrees, which constitute Ancient Craft Masonry, are primarily concerned with ethics. Besides morality, they teach a doctrine of universal brotherhood, intellectual development, and the immortality of the soul.

The degrees of the Scottish Rite are primarily concerned with different questions and problems of philosophy. These degrees are mystical in character than the Blue Lodge and York Rite.

The York Rite degrees evolve into a discipline of chivalry with some philosophy, although not as expressly as in the Scottish Rite.

[eternal_spirit]

No. Tubal Caine and Caine were two different people in the Bible.
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So, it's a password containing two names, it is a Masonic password, what do you think it means and when would it be used?

[critical_analysis]

Wow, that would be hard to do without writing a book. Some good ones are already out there that do this: I recommend Rex Hutchens' "A Bridge To Light", which gives a lot of detail for each degree in the Scottish Rite.

But, to try to sum it all up as briefly as possible, the first three degrees, which constitute Ancient Craft Masonry, are primarily concerned with ethics. Besides morality, they teach a doctrine of universal brotherhood, intellectual development, and the immortality of the soul.

The degrees of the Scottish Rite are primarily concerned with different questions and problems of philosophy. These degrees are mystical in character than the Blue Lodge and York Rite.

The York Rite degrees evolve into a discipline of chivalry with some philosophy, although not as expressly as in the Scottish Rite.
Thanks.
So do you guys study things like the platonic solids and meta physics?
If so any good sources for that kind of thing?

[thelonious]

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So, it's a password containing two names, it is a Masonic password, what do you think it means and when would it be used?

According to Genesis 4:22, Tubal Caine was the name of the son of Lamech and Zillah, and that he was a worker in brass and iron.

Concerning Masonic passwords and when they are used, these are of course secrets in the fraternity, and therefore I cannot comment....

But I'll be glad to tell you all about it on the night you're initiated! :D

[eternal_spirit]

According to Genesis 4:22, Tubal Caine was the name of the son of Lamech and Zillah, and that he was a worker in brass and iron.

Concerning Masonic passwords and when they are used, these are of course secrets in the fraternity, and therefore I cannot comment....

But I'll be glad to tell you all about it on the night you're initiated! :D

LOL :eek: EDIT Does that mean I can swap my fig leaf for a mason's apron, that's what it represents....

[thelonious]

Thanks.
So do you guys study things like the platonic solids and meta physics?
If so any good sources for that kind of thing?

the ritual recommends the study, but Freemasonry doesn't actually require that inititaes undertake those studies. Personally, I've studied Platonism for a long time (longer than I've been a Mason).

As for Platonism, I can recommend no better source than the old guy himself, especially his "Republic". As for metaphysics, I'm personally interested in the Kabalah, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, and Zen Buddhism.

[critical_analysis]

the ritual recommends the study, but Freemasonry doesn't actually require that inititaes undertake those studies. Personally, I've studied Platonism for a long time (longer than I've been a Mason).

As for Platonism, I can recommend no better source than the old guy himself, especially his "Republic". As for metaphysics, I'm personally interested in the Kabalah, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, and Zen Buddhism.

Cheers!

[eternal_spirit]

the ritual recommends the study, but Freemasonry doesn't actually require that inititaes undertake those studies. Personally, I've studied Platonism for a long time (longer than I've been a Mason).

As for Platonism, I can recommend no better source than the old guy himself, especially his "Republic". As for metaphysics, I'm personally interested in the Kabalah, Hermeticism, Gnosticism, and Zen Buddhism.

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All New Age old Age religon type persuits, no surprise then that this stuff is becoming mainstream. The New Age was the name of a Freemasonic Magazine.

Although the Theosophist's had introduced the New Age stuff over a Century ago. They have been pushing this agenda for along time, those at the top the Elite give us our culture, the one's who push this are know as "Culture Creators."

Part of what's know as the Great Work, is to do with building and shaping Society to their plans and ideas in one sense of this meaning.

[_aba_]

Ok, new on this forum, expecting to get flammed.......
I am a Master Mason, have only been a Mason for about 18months.
I have been reading various post on different threads about how bad Masons are and how they are corrupting the world etc etc etc.....
I will happily quit Lodge if i can see proof that all these things are happing now, not what has happened over the last 200 years, things now in 2008.

looking forward to your replys

Aba

[eternal_spirit]

Jeez the place is crawling with them, we'll have to rename the forum soon. :eek:

[critical_analysis]

Ok, new on this forum, expecting to get flammed.......
I am a Master Mason, have only been a Mason for about 18months.
I have been reading various post on different threads about how bad Masons are and how they are corrupting the world etc etc etc.....
I will happily quit Lodge if i can see proof that all these things are happing now, not what has happened over the last 200 years, things now in 2008.

looking forward to your replys

Aba

Flamed? There must be more masons than non-masons in this section of the forum.
Is that how quickly you can become a master mason? It would take you longer to master riding a unicycle, should we conclude that learning to ride a unicycle is a more worthwhile pursuit?
Also, that post indicates you are admitting the masons have been responsible for bad things through-out history, why should something that was bad then not be equally bad now?

edit:
Jeez the place is crawling with them, we'll have to rename the forum soon. :eek:

It's almost like it's a conspiracy

[eternal_spirit]

According to Genesis 4:22, Tubal Caine was the name of the son of Lamech and Zillah, and that he was a worker in brass and iron.

Concerning Masonic passwords and when they are used, these are of course secrets in the fraternity, and therefore I cannot comment....

But I'll be glad to tell you all about it on the night you're initiated! :D
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TuBAL back to the Cannanite's again IMO.

[_aba_]

Not worked out the quoting system yet,
but @ Critical "Also, that post indicates you are admitting the masons have been responsible for bad things through-out history, why should something that was bad then not be equally bad now?"
What i am getting at, i want proof of evidence from 2008 not something dug up from youtube 5 years ago or pictures from 100 years ago.
Am from a small UK lodge so getting to MM was quick yes.

[zero1]

Ok, new on this forum, expecting to get flammed.......

Why?

I am a Master Mason, have only been a Mason for about 18months.


:rolleyes: They did away with paying your dues with years of service then, eh?

I have been reading various post on different threads about how bad Masons are and how they are corrupting the world etc etc etc.....

Well gosh, maybe that's cos' the exterior world and its language contains so much that betrays the covert influence of Masonry in society, influence which was never mandated by the general public who are hoodwinked by it.

See that? Hoodwinked, a Masonic term. Like "tow the line", "four-square" etc.

You and I were talking Mason-speak without knowing it, long before YOU joined them.

I will happily quit Lodge if i can see proof that all these things are happing now, not what has happened over the last 200 years, things now in 2008.

1776. Start there, and cover 232 years of history with eyes open. No-one can show you what is apparenet to the awakened mind.

[_aba_]

Save me the hassle of years of history and move to 2008, show me evidence that it is corrupt

[eternal_spirit]

Tubal Cain, the Secret Password of a Mason

One rabbi notes that Satan was an active agent in the fall of man (Midrash Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer 13, beginning), and was the father of Cain (ibid, 21), while he was also instrumental in the offering of Isaac (Midrash Tanchuma, Wayera, 22 [ed. Stettin, p. 39a]), in the release of the animal destined by Esau for his father (ibid, Toledot, 11), in the theophany at Sinai, in the death of Moses (Deuteronomy Rabbah 13:9), in David's sin with Bath-sheba (Sanhedrin 95a), and in the death of Queen Vashti (Megilla 11a). The decree to destroy all the Jews, which Haman obtained, was written on parchment brought by Satan (Esther Rabba 3:9). When Alexander the Great reproached the Jewish sages with their rebellion, they made the plea that Satan had been too mighty for them (Tamid 32a).

http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/symbolsnew.jpg (http://freemasonrywatch.org/sexmagic.html)

Note the THIRD sale item, number C: Two
Ball and Cane surrounded by Two Ball
and Chain. The Secret Password of a
Master Mason, the THIRD Degree is
Tubal Cain...

Ex. (Pressing his thumb as before): "What is this ?"

Vis.: "The pass-grip of a Master Mason."

Ex.: "Has this a name?"

Vis.: "It has."

Ex.: "Will you give it to me ?"

Vis.: "I did not so receive it, neither will I so impart it."

Ex.: "How will you dispose of it?"

Vis.: "I will syllable it with you."

Ex.: "Syllable it and begin."

Vis.: "No, you begin."

Ex.: "You must begin."

Vis.: "Bal."

Ex.:. "Tu."

Vis.: "Cain."

Ex.: "Tubal."

Vis.: "Tubal-Cain."


Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.

Josephus
Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93


read more here

http://freemasonrywatch.org/tubalcain.html

Eternal adds Like she said

“One of the unheralded and least known facts about Freemasonry and the Masonic Lodge is its Jewish origins and nature. The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Kabala, an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite’s 33 ritual degree ceremonies.” Masonic Jews Plot to Control the World, Texe Marrs

The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.”
Freemasonry - the worship of Lucifer - will be the ultimate One World Religion soon imposed on the entire world by the One World Government.

[ninja17]

THE REPTILIAN BRAIN

The more you understand about the reptilian mind the easier it is to see the AnunnakiIlluminati at work in our society across the centuries. They have distinct character traits and they are seeking to make humans the same. These reptilian characteristics and their connection to the human brain are fundamental to the perpetuation of the illusions I call the Matrix. For those who, understandably, find even the idea of a reptilian race to be unimaginable, never mind the shapeshifting, I repeat the words of cosmologist Carl Sagan: "There are more potential combinations of DNA [physical forms] than there are atoms in the universe." Far from it being impossible for such a race to emerge, it would be more surprising if it had not. Studies have suggested that if the dinosaurs had survived, and some may have done so within the Earth, they would have evolved a reptilian humanoid form by now. Dale Russell, the senior palaeontologist at North Carolina University, was asked by the US space agency NASA to produce a report on what extraterrestrial life might look like. He evolved the Troodon dinosaur in line with genetic changes over millions of years and created a model of a being he called a dinosauroid. It was a reptilian humanoid and identical to those that abductees and others have claimed to see. There is so much more to know about the dinosaurs. After all, their existence was only discovered by scientists in the 1880s. Credo Mutwa and others say that reptilians, originated on this planet and were driven off before returning to claim what they believe is rightfully theirs. Maybe, maybe not. We only have their word for that and their word does not seem to be worth a lot. But this planet certainly has an enormous reptilian history. While I was writing this book, it was revealed that the fossil of a reptile that walked on two legs had been found in a German quarry in rock estimated to be at least 300 million years old. The find demolished previous scientific belief on reptilian evolution. Dinosaurs were not, as believed, the first reptiles to run on two legs. This newlydiscovered biped, Eudibamus cursoris, was a reptile unrelated to the later dinosaurs. The Eudibamus skeletal structure suggests that it could run swiftly, probably standing up on its toes, with its forelimbs swinging in a pendulum fashion. This is similar to the posture adopted by running humans, say the US, Canadian and German scientists. Researcher Alan Walton has compiled a large amount of background to the reptilian presence on Earth. He says:
"Aside from reports and even photos of human footprints found fossilized inside of dinosaurian prints, suggesting a common existence I discovered some interesting biological facts concerning 'reptilians'. It seems that biologists agree that snakes ultimately mutated from lizards, and lizards from the larger 'thunder lizards' or dinosaurs of ancient times. And what was the earliest dinosaur discovered? Well the two contenders are the Eoraptor (which gave rise to the very cunning and dexterous Velociraptors as depicted in the Jurassic Park movies) and a similar saurian biped which walked upright like a man, about the size of a human being, and with hands that were ideal for grabbing and ripping flesh, the herrerasaurus: both were meateaters, however there are enough differences and similarities between Eoraptor and Herrerasaurus to suggest that they had a common ancestor a 'few branches down' the saurian tree."
The most ancient part of the brain is known by scientists as the Rcomplex or reptilian brain" (Figure 46). It is the most obvious remnant of our reptilian genetic history, apart from those who are still born with tails. This reptilian brain or Rcomplex is vital to understanding the ways that the Illuminati manipulate human thinking and perception. Most people have no idea of the reptilian heritage of the human body and its influence on our behaviour. Scientists say that the Rcomplex represents a core of the nervous system and originates from a "mammallike reptile". that was once found all over the world in the Triassic period (205240 million years ago). It is believed this was an evolutionary link between the dinosaurs and the mammals. There may be other explanations, too! All mammals have this reptilian part of the brain. Now look at the character traits of the reptilian brain as agreed by scientists. I quote here from a fascinating Internet article by Skip Largent:
"At least five human behaviours originate in the reptilian brain ... Without defining them, I shall simply say that in human activities they find expression in: obsessivecompulsive behaviour; personal daytoday rituals and superstitious acts; slavish conformance to old ways of doing things; ceremonial reenactments; obeisance to precedent, asin legal, religious, cultural, and other matters....and all manner of deceptions."
Add other traits of the Rcomplex such as "territoriality" (this is mine, get out); aggression; and the idea that mightisright, winner takesall. Put that little lot together and you have the very attitudes of the Illuminati. Racism comes from the reptilian brain also and aggressive, violent sex, which the Illuminati bloodlines indulge in big time ask US Presidents "father" George Bush and Gerald Ford, Vice President Dick Cheney, and the list of other famous Illuminati names I expose in my books. Can it really be a coincidence that the Illuminati manifest the classic traits of the reptilian brain while, at the same time, the evidence suggests that they are reptilian bloodlines? Cosmologist Carl Sagan, who knew far more than he was telling, wrote a book, The Dragons Of Eden (Ballantine Books, New York, 1977), to highlight the reptilian influences on humanity. He said: "...It does no good whatsoever to ignore the reptilian component of human nature, particularly our ritualistic and hierarchical behaviour. On the contrary, the model may help us understand what human beings are all about." Other areas of the human brain balance the extremes of the reptilian characteristics in most people, but they can still be seen, for example, in those who live their lives as a daily ritual, such as going to the same supermarket at the same time every week and having the same meals on the same days. Those with the most dominant reptilian traits, the Illuminati bloodlines, would, it seems obvious, express more of those characteristics associated with the reptilian brain and so you have the reptilian bloodlines of the Illuminati utterly obsessed with ritual. Equally obviously, the reptilians understand the Rcomplex better than anyone and how it can be manipulated. Predictably, therefore, it is through the reptilian part of the brain that humanity is most controlled and directed.
The human brain is in two parts or hemispheres, the right brain and the left brain, connected by a mass of nerve fibres. The left side is the rational, logical, and "intellectual". It works closely with the physical senses and can be summed up by can I touch it, see it, hear it, smell it, or taste it? OK, it must exist. It communicates through spoken words and written language. The right brain is where we manifest imagination, intuition, instincts, dreamstates, the subconscious. It is the artist, musician, creative inspiration. It communicates through images and symbols, not words. This right side is closely related to the Rcomplex. Reptilians communicate through imagery and symbols just like the Illuminati secret society network as widely detailed in The Biggest Secret and on my website. They have an entire secret language based on symbols. This brings us to the most effective form of human conditioning by the Illuminati movies and television. As Skip Largent says:
"All movies and television are a projection of the reptilian brain. How so? Movies and television (video games etc.) are all undeniably dreamlike, not only in their presentation of symbol ic real ity, but also in that humans experiencing movies, etc., have the same brain wave patterns as when they are dreaming. And guess where dreaming originates in your head? In the reptilian brain (although other parts of our brain are involved) ... The "language" of the reptilian brain is visual imagery. All communications transferred by reptiles are done so by visual symbolic representations, each having specific meaning."
And this is precisely what the Illuminati do. So how does this relate to human control? The movie and television industries are not only owned and directed by the Illuminati they created them. They understand how visual images can be used to condition the population. In normal circumstances, the reptiliandominated right brain receives images through the eyes or the imagination, and the left brain decodes those images into thoughts, words, and conclusions. The Illuminati Anunnaki have intervened in this process, however, to control the human mind. Their aim is to disconnect the functions of these two distinct parts of the brain so we can be manipulated through the right brain while only being conscious of the left.
They plant images into the right brain (the dreamstate, the nonconscious) using symbolism, subliminal imagery, and pictures, while often telling the left brain how it should interpret those images. This is done through "education", "science", and the media. The television news is a classic. The right brain is shown pictures of thousands of refugees pouring across the border out of Kosovo while the reporter's voiceover tells the left brain how to interpret those pictures: Le. the refugees were fleeing Serbian atrocities. This explanation increased public support for NATO bombing of the Serbs. What later emerged, of course, is that many of those refugees were actually fleeing the effects of the NATO bombing. Same images, but a very different story or interpretation. It is the same with newspaper pictures in which the caption interprets the image for the reader's left brain. Often what the caption says is not the true background to what the reader is seeing. What is happening all the time is that the leftbrain is being told by external sources how to decode right brain images. What we need to do urgently is regain control of our left brains and decide for ourselves what our right brain images mean. That requires breaking away from the herd, thinking for ourselves, and questioning all that we see and hear. That includes what you are reading in this book. If it doesn't make sense, walk away
You will find that words like imagination, imagine, dream, and such like are used constantly in advertising. They know that if they can use trigger words that encourage a right brain, nonconscious, day dream state, they can access your mind with imagery and then tell your left brain how to decode it into conscious language
"I want that car"; "I think the police should be given more powers to stop crime"; "I need to take Viagra. to be a proper man again"; "We need a world government to' solve our problems". Television and movies are producing a fantasy world of makebelieve to open up the unconscious right brain and allow the Illuminati a secret access through that to the conscious mind. Children are most at risk from this and they are being bombarded with fantasy images to this end. In early childhood, the mental state is controlled almost exclusively by the reptilian brain and the purveyors of children's "'entertainment" like Disney exploit this knowledge. Disney is a major Illuminati operation. Music is used in the same way. There is nothing wrong with music in itself, and the same with fantasy and dreamstates, so long as we are doing our own decoding. As with everything, it is the way this is manipulated that I am talking about. And who controls the music industry? The same people who control Hollywood and the global media in general the Illuminati. The biggest music operation in the world, for instance, is Universal Music, controlled by the Bronfmans of Canada, which also controls Universal Studios. The Bronfmans were a gangster family during prohibition and later owners of one of the biggest liquor operations on the planet, Seagrams. The Bronfinans control a stream of other media organisations including such deeply intellectual, mindexpanding, programmes as The Jerry Springer Show. Universal Music is the force behind the Satanic "shock rocker" Marilyn Manson. The Illuminati control the music industry and it is widely used for subconscious and vibrational conditioning. A former employee of the music corporation, EMI, told me how they had "supervisors" who ensured that only the "right" artists the "right" music were signed and promoted. The Bronfinans are a reptilian bloodline and very close to the Rothschilds. It is the Bronfmans, through various front organisations and stooges, particularly operating out of their headquarters in eastern Canada, who are seeking to stop me speaking all over the world. In accordance with the Illuminati method of controlling all sides in a debate or conflict, two of the most vociferous critics of Edgar Bronfman junior, the head of Universal Pictures, are former Bush and Reagan cabinet minister, Bill Bennett, the shapeshifting child abuser exposed by Cathy O'Brien, and Joseph Lieberman, the vicepresidential running mate of blood drinker and shapeshifter, Al Gore. This pair say that Universal Studios encourage people to be immoral! Is there no shame?
Manufacturing Illusions Through the reptilian brain, the AnunnakiIlluminati manipulate our perception of reality. This frequency range or physical world is controlled and manipulated from outside, from another frequency range or density, which I have called the fourth dimension. As in the movie, The Matrix, the "'agents" of this force come into this world to delude and manipulate us like the otherdimensional Men in Black. They do it through direct manifestation, aided by the Satanic rituals, or by occupying and possessing the bloodlines that most resonate with them the Illuminati bloodlines. Some of these "agents" appear to be capable of "miraculous" feats. But they are not miraculous at all. It is just that they are using a knowledge of physics and energy that is systematically kept from us. They know that this world is not solid, only that it appears to be. Everything from a breath of air to a drop of rain, to a mountain or a tenton truck is vibrating energy. Look at anything under a microscope, no matter how dense and "solid" it may seem to be, and you will see that it is just vibrating energy The slower it vibrates, the more solid it looks, the faster it vibrates the more ethereal and transparent it appears until its speed moves beyond our physical senses and it "disappears". Look at a simple spoked cartwheel. When it is turning slowly the spokes looks very solid. But when it is travelling at speed the spokes are just a blur and no longer "solid" at all. In fact they can even give the illusion of going backwards while the cart is going forwards. Optical illusions are just simple expressions of the Great Illusion. I have been writing for ten years that the speed of light, 186,000 miles per second, is not the fastest speed possible. It is only an outer limit of our frequency range, after which anything travelling above that speed enters another range, another density and we cease to perceive it. This is how UFOs and extraterrestrials appear and "disappear"', and how demonic entities manifest and demanifest at Satanic rituals. They switch frequencies. As John A. Keel points out, the colour changes seen in interdimensional materialisations are often described in "UFO"' sightings as the "objects" scan the electromagnetic spectrum. "UFOs often appear as a purplish themselves. It might be less of an illusion than humans because they know of other dimensions and so on, but they are still stuck in their astral illusion as humans are, stuck in the physical one. The Matrix character, Morpheus, says of the agents:
"I have seen an agent punch through a concrete wall; men have emptied entire clips [of bullets] on them and hit nothing but air. Yet their strength and their speed are still based on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be."
That is why the Illuminati and their otherdensity masters have worked so hard to suppress our minds. They know that we are potentially far more powerful than they are if only we can free ourselves of their mind control. Their aim, in effect, is to keep us in a bigger illusion than their own. It is like the short sighted manipulating the blind. Within every human is a genius waiting to manifest. I never cease to be amazed at the levels of excellence that humans achieve in the whole range of professions and talents. Find someone at the top of his or her craft and you will be in awe at their brilliance. And this is despite all the manipulation and suppression of our potential. Just think what we could achieve when this control is dismantled. The climax in The Matrix movie is when the initiate, Neo, ceases to see the world as a series of "solid," people and buildings and instead sees everything and everyone as a flow of fast moving numbers and codes vibrational frequencies. Once he reaches this point of awareness and multidimensional connection, he is able to brush aside the previously unbeatable agents of human servitude because he can operate outside of their rules and limitations. Symbolically he has expanded the point of his awareness beyond the astral realms to much higher levels of himself. Higher levels than his controllers can access. Once he achieved that, he becomes as powerful to the agents as they were to him when he was still in the physical illusion and they were in the astral one. How do we get out of this mess? We open up to who we really are and let go of who the system tells us we are. The whole Illuminati plan has been designed to keep us trapped in the physical illusion and therefore ensure that we can be controlled and manipulated by their astral illusion. This is why, among so many other things, they have done the following:
• Systematically destroyed or kept hidden as much ancient knowledge as possible because it contained the understanding of who we are and the true nature of life.
• Hijacked all the major investigations and searches for ancient hidden knowledge and artefacts across the world to ensure that nothing is found that tells the truth of our nature and origins and, if anything significant is found, it is never made public nor its true importance understood.
• Created religions to seize the minds of the populace, fill them with a sense of limitation and inferiority, and portray esoteric knowledge as "evil".
• Established "science"' to recognise only the physical, deny the existence of other frequencies of life, and suppress the knowledge of our multidimensional selves. This is done by rewarding those who repeat the party line and destroying the reputations of those who do not.
• Introduced the media to assault our minds with the reality the Illuminati wish us to have; and to attack, ridicule, condemn, and destroy anyone who threatens to expose the scam and the illusion on which it depends.
• Bombarded us with an orgy of physical stimuli and materialism in which success is judged by what you own rather than what you are.
• Focused the world and communication on all that is physical money, winning the lottery, possessions, and promoting an obsession with sex as a physical rather than a spiritual experience. Sex based on lust alone holds down our frequency because it is a purely physical act. Sex based on love increases our frequency because it reconnects us with our spark of pure love.
• Isolated male and female energy, so creating the duality and preventing the fusion of male and female energy within us all that would create a third, potentially highvibrational force, and set us free of this vibrational prison, the Matrix.
• Filled our food, drink, medicines, vaccines, water, air, and electromagnetic environment, with chemicals and frequencies designed to suppress our ability to. experience our multidimensional selves and to block the channels through which our higher levels can communicate with the physical.
• Manipulated our DNA directly and through other means to dim this higherdimensional connection. The genetic code agenda that is sold to us so positively as a way of preventing disease has a far more sinister background and motivation.
• Held highly malevolent Satanic rituals at the planet's major vortex points to hold down the frequency of the entire global energy field the field that we operate within. In this way, our own energy field can be vibrationally suppressed by living within such a low vibrational environment.
• Created wars and conflicts at all levels of global society and ensured financial dependency and insolvency to keep us in low vibrational emotional states like fear, guilt, anger, resentment, and frustration.

see the connection?

[mwgdrwg]

Earth calling mwgdrwg..... crackle...... shizzz ...crackle.... This is earth calling can you read me mwgdrwg ..over.

What are you on about? You asked me a question, I told you the answer, you then accuse me of lying. Is it that your world view is under threat here?

Come on then tell me how much did it cost me.

As to the whole freak thing, in the words of Paul Weller "look no further than the mirror".

Mike
i didnt accuse you of lying, i KNOW you are lying,
you did not answer my question honestly like a normal human being
you chose to answer with half truths and lies like some sort of freak.

freemasonry pervades brittish society, do you honestly think freemasons are the only people who know howmuch you pay to join?

this is a rhetorical question, i wish no response from freaks like you.
you had the oppurtunity to be honest but the trains left the station.

[krakhead]

i didnt accuse you of lying, i KNOW you are lying,
you did not answer my question honestly like a normal human being
you chose to answer with half truths and lies like some sort of freak.

freemasonry pervades brittish society, do you honestly think freemasons are the only people who know howmuch you pay to join?

this is a rhetorical question, i wish no response from freaks like you.
you had the oppurtunity to be honest but the trains left the station.

So how much do they actually pay? And where did you get your information from?

[mwgdrwg]

So how much do they actually pay? And where did you get your information from?

i think i should allow a freakmason to answer howmuch they actually pay.

[mike martin]

Jeez the place is crawling with them, we'll have to rename the forum soon. :eek:

LOL:D

[mike martin]

i didnt accuse you of lying, i KNOW you are lying,
you did not answer my question honestly like a normal human being
you chose to answer with half truths and lies like some sort of freak.

freemasonry pervades brittish society, do you honestly think freemasons are the only people who know howmuch you pay to join?

this is a rhetorical question, i wish no response from freaks like you.
you had the oppurtunity to be honest but the trains left the station.

Oh I see you're still making yourself look silly in this topic as well, ce la vie.

You wouldn't know honesty if it tapped you on the shoulder and gave you a Glaswegian Kiss.

Mike

[mike martin]

i think i should allow a freakmason to answer howmuch they actually pay.

Hmmm, done it twice already but Mr-know-it-all-mwgdrwg seems to know better, I for one bow to his superior knowledge of what I shelled out upon joining:D:D:D

mike

[mwgdrwg]

Hmmm, done it twice already but Mr-know-it-all-mwgdrwg seems to know better, I for one bow to his superior knowledge of what I shelled out upon joining:D:D:D

mike

you are getting rather personal freak
have i hit a nerve here?

[kblood]

Phew, this thread is a long read :) Especially in one go.

Thanks thelonious for your many answers. I for one believe they are all truthfull.

Marco Rodin and his logo, I do not believe that it is only similar to mason symbols by chance. It seems his research in symbolism comes from the same sources that masons use. I would recommend you read a bit about him and his discoveries.
http://www.rense.com/RodinAerodynamics.htm

Would be nice if you gave your oppinion on it :)

Now I have a few questions myself:

Do you know of any Danish freemasons? In the city of Aalborg, here in Denmark, there is at least one masonic lodge or temple. Do you know if there is any high ranking masons associated with the lodge in Aalborg? Do you know how many levels or ranks there is in Danish masonry?

Spirituality, enlightenment or becomming illuminated. Do you think there is a difference between learning it using a system of learning like that of the masons and learning it as you go, without using a system?

Do you believe the same kind of enlightenment that can be reached through masonry, can be reached without masonry, and even without the guidance of the teachings and writings of others? Boils down to, can the journey to enlightenment be taken alone in your oppinion? (I think you already answered this question before, but the answer is probably rather simple anyway.)

Freemasonry seems to both promote and probably even make what is today refered to as new age. I guess it is unavoidable, since masonry follows all kinds of mysticism. What is your oppinion on this reaction? (maybe reaction is the wrong word for it). Would you say it makes the old ways of mysticism mixed up in good or bad ways? Does it help to promote and revive the ancient forms of mysticism?

Even before you became a freemason, you researched mysticism, enlightenment and the soul from what I have understood from your posts, although I might have made presumptions about you regarding this. However, did you find knowledge about all this easier to obtain as a mason?

What is your take on magick, spells, psychic abilities and rituals? Do you, or have you used spells yourself, and if so, have you found it usefull? Do you believe in telepathy, preminitions, telekinesis, remote viewing and related abilities? Have you experienced such psychic abilities yourself?

What is your personel oppinion on Lucifer? What is your personel oppinion about worship in general? Is worship done as part of masonry? (You have answered about Lucifer quite a few times before, but still I would like the more personal answer if you dont mind :confused::D )

What is the the official standpoint to the EU amongst the freemasons? Do they promote the EU, or are they against it? Freemasons as you say yourself, promotes democracy if I have understood you correctly, but do you believe the EU is based on democracy?

Oaths of secrecy. I have heard about masons having to take oaths of secrecy and that they would hope to die if they broke their oaths. Any comment on that?

Any way of getting expelled from the freemasons for sure? Maybe if a mason had a sex change, would he... she then have to leave or just get expelled?

I have more questions, but this is what I could come up with for now. Some of the other questions I will ask in my Illuminati thread instead anyway. I hope you find the time to answer these questions, maybe you could answer a few of them at a time? Thanks in advance :)

[mike martin]

you are getting rather personal freak
have i hit a nerve here?

In your dreams fellah, only in your dreams.

Personal? Give it a rest.

Mike

[montag]

you are getting rather personal freak
have i hit a nerve here?
Freemason or not, personal insults will not be tolerated on the board..

montag

[finegreen]

I thought everybody was being honest about how much it cost to join?

[chestnutlodge]

i think i should allow a freakmason to answer howmuch they actually pay.


We have answered three times. Even your own forumites are now asking e.g. Krakhead as to how much.

I think I have guessed that you are a female and if correct as a female your powers of intuition are far greater than mine. So put us out of our misery and inform us all as to what is the real price we pay for being a member?

You are just becoming irritating in the same vein as a child who makes a statement and backs it up with 'Coz I know' all the time.

What is it you know that nobody else seems to?

[finegreen]

I think some pf these people here only want specific answers to there questions. If you don't tell them what they want to hear it must be a conspiracy.

[kweli]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit
Jeez the place is crawling with them, we'll have to rename the forum soon.

LOL

LOL:D



Hi Mike,

Do you have any idea how many of your brethren have joined this forum recently? I only ask because there's been a huge increase in membership recently, in fact the total numbers have almost doubled in a matter of weeks.

Please don't take my question the wrong way, like I said in an earlier post, I'm just interested in the information you have to offer, personally I have no problem with you being here, I don't fear Freemasons, I think we can all learn from each other.

[thelonious]

Marco Rodin and his logo, I do not believe that it is only similar to mason symbols by chance. It seems his research in symbolism comes from the same sources that masons use. I would recommend you read a bit about him and his discoveries.
http://www.rense.com/RodinAerodynamics.htm

Would be nice if you gave your oppinion on it :)

Will have to look at it and get back to you, I'm not familiar with it.

Now I have a few questions myself:

Do you know of any Danish freemasons? In the city of Aalborg, here in Denmark, there is at least one masonic lodge or temple. Do you know if there is any high ranking masons associated with the lodge in Aalborg? Do you know how many levels or ranks there is in Danish masonry?

The Grand Lodge of Denmark has a website here:

http://www.ddfo.dk/velkommen/

Its English page is down, and I can't read Danish, but you can find additional information there if you speak the language. The only thing that I know about Masonry in Denmark is that they work in the Swedish Rite, which contains 10 degrees. The Swedish Rite is unique among the various Masonic Rites because it is the only one that only admits Christians. Therefore, in Scandanavia and Denmark, Freemasonry is entirely a Christian fraternity.

Several years ago, a treaty of recognition between the Swedish Rite and the Scottish Rite was drawn up and officialized. Supreme Councils of the Scottish Rite now recognize the 10th Degree in the Swedish Rite as being equal to the 33rd degree in the Scottish Rite, and vice versa.

Spirituality, enlightenment or becomming illuminated. Do you think there is a difference between learning it using a system of learning like that of the masons and learning it as you go, without using a system?

Probably not. I believe that ritualistic initiation can serve as an epiphany if the candidate is properly prepared, but there is no guarantee that would happen, and people can just as well attain deep spiritual understandings through solitary practice. Indeed, it could be said that Masonic and other esoteric initiation are preliminaries to individual spiritual practices.

Do you believe the same kind of enlightenment that can be reached through masonry, can be reached without masonry, and even without the guidance of the teachings and writings of others? Boils down to, can the journey to enlightenment be taken alone in your oppinion?

Yes. There was once a Rosicrucian school of initiation known as the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. In one of its initiation ceremonies, there was a line that said "God is the initiator of the heart". It is a power greater than a man-made organization that does the real work. All we can do as men is point in what we believe to be the right direction, and offer guidance and advice when asked.

Freemasonry seems to both promote and probably even make what is today refered to as new age. I guess it is unavoidable, since masonry follows all kinds of mysticism. What is your oppinion on this reaction? (maybe reaction is the wrong word for it). Would you say it makes the old ways of mysticism mixed up in good or bad ways? Does it help to promote and revive the ancient forms of mysticism?

Mysticism has never really died, although over time, it got lost in the shuffle. Over the past 200 years, traditional religion has become much more materialistic and consumer-driven, and has sadly lost much of its spiritual insight, which was the very reason for its existence.

Interestingly though, we may be experiencing the beginning of a type of spiritual renaissance. While traditional churches are now in decline, more and more young people are seeking spiritual things, and are doing this outside of established religions. Many feel discontent with the materialistic road that religion is taking, and with society in general. This is also being reflected in Masonry: for the first time in over a century, most of our candidates are 35 or younger, with many in their early 20's signing up. Other mystically oriented organizations are also seeing increases in young participation, including the Rosicrucians, O.T.O., Wicca and pagan related groups, and others.

Even before you became a freemason, you researched mysticism, enlightenment and the soul from what I have understood from your posts, although I might have made presumptions about you regarding this. However, did you find knowledge about all this easier to obtain as a mason?

No. One of my gripes about Masonry is that it often gleams over those types of teachings without really reinforcing them. Some Masonic ceremonies, for example, suggest to the candidate that he should study the Kabalah or the Hermetic body of literature, but do not give him a good place to start, and if he doesn't know about those things already, is bound to be at least a little bit confused when his initiation is over, and he's driving home.

Freemasonry is probably the least mystical of all the mystical initiatory societies, but I suppose it's a start. As for me, before I became a Mason, I was a member of an occult Hermetic society dedicated to the study of the Kabalah and Tarot symbolism. It was here that I learned most of what I know about occult philosophy and practice.

What is your take on magick, spells, psychic abilities and rituals? Do you, or have you used spells yourself, and if so, have you found it usefull? Do you believe in telepathy, preminitions, telekinesis, remote viewing and related abilities? Have you experienced such psychic abilities yourself?

It is a basic principle of occultism that every human being has the same psychic potential, only that in most people such potential is latent. This is especially true in men, as women are in general more psychically oriented.

Ritual Magick is one of several different ways that we can bring what is latent within us to the surface. The word "Magick", of course, means "Science of the Magi", and "Magi" was a term used to denote initiates into the Mysteries in ancient Persia.

What is your personel oppinion on Lucifer? What is your personel oppinion about worship in general? Is worship done as part of masonry? (You have answered about Lucifer quite a few times before, but still I would like the more personal answer if you dont mind :confused::D )

I use the standard occult definition. In occultism, "Lucifer" represents the purified Kundalini force. "Satan" represents the Kundalini in its natural state. The allegory of Lucifer's fall from heaven, and turning into Satan, is therefore explained in occultism as symbolizing the fact that the life force energy is originally pure and holy, but puts on corruption when in contact with matter. It is the goal of the Adept and Alchemist to "transmute lead into gold", i.e., to transform the gross and tainted energies of the physical body into a vehicle of spiritual truth.

What is the the official standpoint to the EU amongst the freemasons? Do they promote the EU, or are they against it? Freemasons as you say yourself, promotes democracy if I have understood you correctly, but do you believe the EU is based on democracy?

Technically speaking, Freemasonry does not allow political or religious arguments in the Lodge, so Freemasonry has no official position on those things, outside of general freedom of worship and separation of church and state. Therefore different Freemasons will have different opinions concerning the EU. As for me, as an American, I'm not very knowledgable concerning the EU, and don't have information on it to form an opinion.

Oaths of secrecy. I have heard about masons having to take oaths of secrecy and that they would hope to die if they broke their oaths. Any comment on that?

Traditionally, when Masons took their oaths, they called down physical penalties on themselves if they broke them. These penalties were identical to those used in military oaths in medieval England, and no doubt originated there. In Freemasonry, they have always been symbolic, not literal. The actual penalties for violating one's Masonic oaths are censure, suspension, or expulsion, depending on the gravity of the offense.

When Albert Pike revised the Scottish Rite ritual in the 1870's, he eliminated these penalties from the ceremonies. The United Grand Lodge of England eliminated them from their rituals several decades ago. Nevertheless, many jurisdictions still use them out of tradition, but always with the disclaimer that they are symbolic and traditional in nature, not to be taken literally.

Any way of getting expelled from the freemasons for sure? Maybe if a mason had a sex change, would he... she then have to leave or just get expelled?

Yes. Also, any Mason convicted of a felony in a criminal court stands automatically expelled. Masons can also be expelled for non-criminal offenses if their actions are considered immoral. Any brother has the right to charge another with unmasonic conduct. When this is done, a trial is held in the Lodge. The accused may defend himself or appoint a brother to represent him. The Master of the Lodge acts as judge, and all members are jurors. After the evidence has been shown, and defense given, the Lodge will then vote guilty or not guilty. If guilty, the Master of the Lodge imposes the sentence, up to and including expulsion.

If a brother is judged guilty, he may appeal the verdict to Grand Lodge, but the original verdict stands unless and until overturned by Grand Lodge.

[kblood]

Thanks for the answers so far :) The danish masons seems to use templar symbols very much.
http://www.ddfo.dk/information/plancher/index.html

The top right picture is one of the pictures that clearly shows templar symbols being used among masons. Is it common for masons to use templar symbols, and why do they use them and denounce any connection to the templars directly?

I dont understand why there are decrees that suggest links to the knights templar, if it isnt to show that they have roots in templar societies? Are the reasons for using these symbols a secret?

[mike martin]

Hi Mike,
Do you have any idea how many of your brethren have joined this forum recently? I only ask because there's been a huge increase in membership recently, in fact the total numbers have almost doubled in a matter of weeks.
I think it might be five or six? although a couple of people have joined TFM that were here already

The thing is that our Forum does get a lot ot traffic that is not active on the boards, so it's hard to tell.

Please don't take my question the wrong way, like I said in an earlier post, I'm just interested in the information you have to offer, personally I have no problem with you being here, I don't fear Freemasons, I think we can all learn from each other.
The ironic thing is that no one actually does have anything to fear from Freemasonry (maybe with the exception of godhelpme apparently:D:D)

I only came here initially to try and stop everyone thinking there was going to be some kind of "turf war" but it is interesting, even if the odd one or two are antagonistic to a bizarre level. I think I mentioned before I've been a member of Concen for some time and do enjoy the stuff (except the really silly) being bandied about.

Mike

[thelonious]

Thanks for the answers so far :) The danish masons seems to use templar symbols very much.
http://www.ddfo.dk/information/plancher/index.html

The top right picture is one of the pictures that clearly shows templar symbols being used among masons. Is it common for masons to use templar symbols, and why do they use them and denounce any connection to the templars directly?

I dont understand why there are decrees that suggest links to the knights templar, if it isnt to show that they have roots in templar societies? Are the reasons for using these symbols a secret?

Not secret, no. In the 19th century, a large number of Masonic scholars believed that Freemasonry originated in Templarism, and Templar degrees became very popular. The highest degrees in both the Scottish and York Rites of Masonry are Templar grades.

More recent scholarship has pretty much laid to rest the Masonic-Templar theory of history, but Freemasonry still contains many Templar degrees. Today, we who are Masonic Templars no longer claim to be historically descended from the original Templars, but we try to emulate their example and chivalry.

[mwgdrwg]

We have answered three times. Even your own forumites are now asking e.g. Krakhead as to how much.

I think I have guessed that you are a female and if correct as a female your powers of intuition are far greater than mine. So put us out of our misery and inform us all as to what is the real price we pay for being a member?

You are just becoming irritating in the same vein as a child who makes a statement and backs it up with 'Coz I know' all the time.

What is it you know that nobody else seems to?

i have spoken to krakhead on a private message.
what has my sex got to do with anything?
put me out of my misery and answer the question honestly and i shall explain myself fully to you.
you are irritating to start with because you lie.

i will never answer any of your questions until you answer my ONE question honestly.

[perry_mason]

Mwgdrwg, is the question regarding what you 'pay' to join Freemasonry? I've read as much of the previous posts as possible but may have missed exactly what you want. Seeing as others have already answered this question extensively perhaps my opinion might be of interest seeing as I only joined a year ago and it's all fresh in my mind? ;)

[kblood]

A few more questions :) :

What DID you pay to join the masons? Oh wait, that wasnt my question, I dont really care :D

Does Mason use knowledge of ley lines for anything? Have you researched ley lines? What do you think of ley lines, and what do you believe their significance is?

And a question I asked before, that I am really curious about. Do you believe in telepathy, telekinesis, precognition and such? Have you experienced any of it yourself?

Have you worked spells? (like Wiccans and/or pagans do). Do you think or know if there is any spell like meaning behind the masonic rituals?

[chestnutlodge]

A few more questions :) :

What DID you pay to join the masons? Oh wait, that wasnt my question, I dont really care :D

Does Mason use knowledge of ley lines for anything? Have you researched ley lines? What do you think of ley lines, and what do you believe their significance is?

And a question I asked before, that I am really curious about. Do you believe in telepathy, telekinesis, precognition and such? Have you experienced any of it yourself?

Have you worked spells? (like Wiccans and/or pagans do). Do you think or know if there is any spell like meaning behind the masonic rituals?

To answer £30 plus Lodge fees of about £200 each year.

Freemasonry has nothing to do with ley lines

That is a personal belief nothing to do with freemasonry

Freemasonry doe not use spells and none in the rituals.

[thelonious]

A few more questions :) :

What DID you pay to join the masons? Oh wait, that wasnt my question, I dont really care :D

Each Lodge has its own different fees and dues, according to their own By-Laws. My Lodge charges $30 US in initiation fees per degee, and annual dues in $40.

Does Mason use knowledge of ley lines for anything? Have you researched ley lines? What do you think of ley lines, and what do you believe their significance is?

I have not researched the subject, so am not qualified to speak. There is nothing about ley lines in Freemasonry.

And a question I asked before, that I am really curious about. Do you believe in telepathy, telekinesis, precognition and such? Have you experienced any of it yourself?

Yes, I think there are times when most people experience such things.

Have you worked spells? (like Wiccans and/or pagans do). Do you think or know if there is any spell like meaning behind the masonic rituals?

It is my understanding that Wiccans consider "spells" to be prayers. There is nothing in Masonry similar to Wiccan spells, but some High Masonry runs parallel to High Magick.

[kblood]

Thanks again for all the answers :) I will keep watching this thread and see if I have anymore questions to ask, or if anyone else do.

[kweli]

I think it might be five or six? although a couple of people have joined TFM that were here already

The thing is that our Forum does get a lot ot traffic that is not active on the boards, so it's hard to tell.


The ironic thing is that no one actually does have anything to fear from Freemasonry (maybe with the exception of godhelpme apparently:D:D)

I only came here initially to try and stop everyone thinking there was going to be some kind of "turf war" but it is interesting, even if the odd one or two are antagonistic to a bizarre level. I think I mentioned before I've been a member of Concen for some time and do enjoy the stuff (except the really silly) being bandied about.

Mike

Ok, cheers for answering my question. I'm following this thread and look forward to learning more about Freemasons.

[tothestars]

he's the God of Masonry, You didnt know!!!!! how you have been kept in the dark brother.


Actually you are not far from truth :)

edit: This was about the Yoda question that wasnt answered earlier in this thread.

[eternal_spirit]

To be involved in British Government one has to be a Freemason. Same goes for MI5 MI6 special branches etc, Peter Wright wrote this in his book and was involved in the special branches.

Masons usually only progress to the accepted limit in the York and Scottish rite. Unless you have something they need, Finance, or a position of influence..... you will be offered a wife who was brought up by the Eastern Star womens Lodges. The third generation Masons will be allowed to go higher up the degrees those not officially recognised by the general populus.

[mike martin]

To be involved in British Government one has to be a Freemason. Same goes for MI5 MI6 special branches etc, Peter Wright wrote this in his book and was involved in the special branches.

Masons usually only progress to the accepted limit in the York and Scottish rite. Unless you have something they need, Finance, or a position of influence..... you will be offered a wife who was brought up by the Eastern Star womens Lodges. The third generation Masons will be allowed to go higher up the degrees those not officially recognised by the general populus.


We don't have the OES in England maybe my ex-wife was a Wiccan eh??

You're funny!

Mike

[eternal_spirit]

We don't have the OES in England maybe my ex-wife was a Wiccan eh??

You're funny!

Mike

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I never mentioned the Eastern Star and England.
You did! While you mentioned it, it started in USA, and spread across the World, there are lodges in Scotland.


Re: Order of the Eastern Star.
« Reply #9 on Feb 28, 2006, 8:15am »
I was at my Chapter last night and asked one of our members about joining our local Eastern Star Chapter. He informed me that some were trying to start a debate to see if the order should restructure it's masonic joining qualification, i.e do away with it. This however seems not to be the way ahead as many believe that if the qualification is removed then it will spiral into nothing more than a club.

Oh and by the way it's £7.50 to join !
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[eternal_spirit]

Masons usually only progress to the accepted limit in the York and Scottish rite. Unless you have something they need, Finance, or a position of influence..... you will be offered a wife who was brought up by the Eastern Star womens Lodges. The third generation Masons will be allowed to go higher up the degrees those not officially recognised by the general populus.

...............................

It is a eugenics breeding programme, to marry chosen Masonic families bloodlines. See, they have long term plans that are inter generational, the plot/script/plans will be handed down to the next generation and so on.

[eternal_spirit]

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It is a eugenics breeding programme, to marry chosen Masonic families bloodlines. See, they have long term plans that are inter generational, the plot/script/plans will be handed down to the next generation and so on.
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The Elite believe that the same souls/spirits reincarnate into the same family bloodlines into the next generation ( G ) The original master souls as they refer to themselves created the perfect bodies to inhabit by pure will and thought.
They truly believe they are the afore mentioned souls, who are here to guide ( rule ) over the us they call the profane masses. The Egyptians had similar beliefs.


Jeez talk about false sense of superiority:rolleyes:


Theosophy was created and recognized by the Crown, this is where Blavatsky, Bessant and their channeling of the ascened masters souls discarnate entities ( hidden masters secret chiefs etc play a part)

These are said to incarnate into positions of power and influence World events, while others will guide from spirit World/dimension via channeled communication.

[tylerstoast]

Hi Everyone

I may be about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit (to some !) but I`m another freemason whose wandered in here and quite enjoyed some of the threads, some just for the comedy value of the banter and others for the quite genuine discussion thats going on.

I would like to hang around a bit and try and understand some of the opinions on this site - specifically this forum, and I will try and contribute where I can.

I promise to play nice and not get into any flame baiting that might happen !

Having spent the last 4 hours reading through all the interesting threads I`m now screen blind though :D

[element]

Freemasons wear black clothes (mostly) or so I read.

Why is that? (could have been asked before, but hey look at all these pages!)

[chrism]

Freemasons wear black clothes (mostly) or so I read.

Why is that? (could have been asked before, but hey look at all these pages!)

We wear a dark suit to Lodge Meetings, although some of the longer serving members wear 'striped' trousers (which is why they are often mistaken for Undertakers!)

It is because the lodge meetings are a somber occasion, not a frivolity. Outside of lodge I also wear black at work (black trousers, white shirt, black jumper) although this has nothing to do with masonry. It's just easier to buy black. Everyone wears the same, and I am the only mason in the company (unless the rest are hiding it from me!)

In my own time it's jeans (blue...) and t-shirt or sweater. I admit it is sometimes a black top, but this is honestly the first time I have thought about it.

I would not look to recognise a mason by his clothing, but by the signs by which we are taught to recognise each other. Naturally, these signs, words and handshakes are the secrets you have heard so much about. They are that secret, that if you google them they are hidden within thousands of pages of information. Ahem.

Chris

[geeve420]

Freemasons wear black clothes (mostly) or so I read.

Why is that? (could have been asked before, but hey look at all these pages!)

We in the states wear whatever we want really, usally jeans and a polo shirt or a t-shirt, color doesn't matter. We don't wear suits or anything like that. I usually end up wearing whatever I wore to work, that is Blue Jeans and a polo.

Thanks

Geeve

[finegreen]

are lodge is a bit more stricter. We all were suits. Its not forced but everyone does.

[chestnutlodge]

Masoni attire has changed over the centuries, naturally. My opinion on the morning suit was that this was the common dress worn by the middle classes in the 30's and onwards who were in the banking, accountancy, stockbroking professions, accompanied by the black tie. Sombre and functional. Prior to that it was much more formal being white tie and tails in many Lodges.

For working comfort the tailcoat was replaced with the shortened jacket which is popular today, but not strictly a morning suit.

The mode of dress has moved onto a dark suit, which still maintains some of the formality of masonry in England.

[finegreen]

Same here. Personally I like wearing a suit to lodge.

[chrism]

Suits just feel 'right' at lodge.

I attend practise nights in jeans and t-shirt, and it just doesn't feel right!

Chris

[the guy in pink]

We still wear Black Tux and bowties. I Like it, it adds a dignity to the meetings.

[chestnutlodge]

I wear morning suit with tails. When my daughter asked a friend why I did, he said "he likes to be different".

[tylerstoast]

We still wear Black Tux and bowties. I Like it, it adds a dignity to the meetings.

Same here, well - its bow ties when in your own lodge and a straight black or craft tie for when visiting others.

[geeve420]

I guess I could have elaboated more for ya. The lodge I attend and my friends lodge in the next town over are very casual, we live in country towns 40 miles or so from the city of Tulsa and Oklahoma City. The lodges in the cities do wear suites, but since most members at my and my friends lodges are farmers most come to lodge in Jeans, boots and a polo or button down, we have the occational overall guy who just got done feeding the cows, but that to us is dressed up. Yeah we are real country around here:D

Thanks

Geeve

[ninja17]

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[thelonious]

I guess I could have elaboated more for ya. The lodge I attend and my friends lodge in the next town over are very casual, we live in country towns 40 miles or so from the city of Tulsa and Oklahoma City. The lodges in the cities do wear suites, but since most members at my and my friends lodges are farmers most come to lodge in Jeans, boots and a polo or button down, we have the occational overall guy who just got done feeding the cows, but that to us is dressed up. Yeah we are real country around here:D

Thanks

Geeve

lol...I'm trying to imagine what Masonic regalia would like over overalls. :D

[geeve420]

lol...I'm trying to imagine what Masonic regalia would like over overalls. :D

It is a site indeed:D

Thanks

geeve