UK Passport RFID Chips Cracked.

[cruise4]

UK Passport RFID Chips Cracked.
http://www.bzangygroink.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2006/11/18/uk-passport-rfid-chips-cracked

My new RFID passport - less secure than an old paper version. Thanks Tony, you utter twat!

UK security experts have cracked the sooper sekure new UK biometric passports. It took 48 hours. With £174 worth of sniffer hardware, attackers can read all the personal information off of any of the three million new UK passports in circulation — and if combined with demonstrated hacks for reading RFIDs at a distance, this could happen from across the room, or even farther. You can then clone the RFID and stick it in another passport (surprise! your identity is now owned by a terrorist!).
(Source: BoingBoing)

Brilliant! And so the ‘War On Terror’ rolls blindly on, over the bodies of 655,000 Iraqi dead and the rights and safety of Britons. Blair’s shiny new RFID passport has already been cracked.

If you read the Guardian article linked from BoingBoing, the Home Office plays down the dangers. But what they can’t deny is that information can now be sucked straight off your passport, at a distance, without you even knowing it. Listen to this genius:

“This doesn’t matter,” says a Home Office spokesman. “By the time you have accessed the information on the chip, you have already seen it on the passport. What use would my biometric image be to you? And even if you had the information, you would still have to counterfeit the new passport - and it has lots of new security features. If you were a criminal, you might as well just steal a passport.”
(Source: The Guardian)

Hello? Are you awake? The difference is that you would know if your passport had been nicked! With RFID data theft, you’re completely unaware of any risk.

More than that: if it “doesn’t matter” that the data is stolen, why bother putting it on an RFID in the first place? Just to waste millions of our taxes?

I am so angry right now. Just like our illegal invasion of Iraq, the UK government is now herding us all in the wrong direction and won’t brook any logical criticism. We’re being forced to pay for expensive new passports which are less secure than the old ones!

Is there any end to this government’s stupidity and lunatic dis-regard for our safety?

[beldazar]

yeah but is that just a step towards chipping the body? You cant get that stolen! Cant even remove it yourself!

[cleopatraxxx]

yeah but is that just a step towards chipping the body? You cant get that stolen! Cant even remove it yourself!
this is when it makes "sense" the interpretation of some scriptures that the mark of the beast is and will be the microchip in the forehead, right in the so called 3rd eye spot, not the arms, nor wrist, etc... :(

what will the future provide us with? when onde door closes and if humans are to survive as a race (unworthy one, bt still, who knows we deserve a chance, LOL), then there will surely be events opening new windows/paths...

[lookfar]

UK Passport RFID Chips Cracked.
http://www.bzangygroink.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2006/11/18/uk-passport-rfid-chips-cracked

My new RFID passport - less secure than an old paper version. Thanks Tony, you utter twat!

UK security experts have cracked the sooper sekure new UK biometric passports. It took 48 hours. With £174 worth of sniffer hardware, attackers can read all the personal information off of any of the three million new UK passports in circulation — and if combined with demonstrated hacks for reading RFIDs at a distance, this could happen from across the room, or even farther. You can then clone the RFID and stick it in another passport (surprise! your identity is now owned by a terrorist!).
(Source: BoingBoing)

Brilliant! And so the ‘War On Terror’ rolls blindly on, over the bodies of 655,000 Iraqi dead and the rights and safety of Britons. Blair’s shiny new RFID passport has already been cracked.

If you read the Guardian article linked from BoingBoing, the Home Office plays down the dangers. But what they can’t deny is that information can now be sucked straight off your passport, at a distance, without you even knowing it. Listen to this genius:

“This doesn’t matter,” says a Home Office spokesman. “By the time you have accessed the information on the chip, you have already seen it on the passport. What use would my biometric image be to you? And even if you had the information, you would still have to counterfeit the new passport - and it has lots of new security features. If you were a criminal, you might as well just steal a passport.”
(Source: The Guardian)

Hello? Are you awake? The difference is that you would know if your passport had been nicked! With RFID data theft, you’re completely unaware of any risk.

More than that: if it “doesn’t matter” that the data is stolen, why bother putting it on an RFID in the first place? Just to waste millions of our taxes?

I am so angry right now. Just like our illegal invasion of Iraq, the UK government is now herding us all in the wrong direction and won’t brook any logical criticism. We’re being forced to pay for expensive new passports which are less secure than the old ones!

Is there any end to this government’s stupidity and lunatic dis-regard for our safety?

Hi cruise4

Thanks for sharing. It's yet another instance where the general public can have their personal information tampered with & it makes me sick!:mad:

I also have a wanky chipped passport which I detest, but decided that I'd have to get it done in order to escape this godforesaken island someday soon & on holidays when I can manage it.

I'm still not sure if they allow you to travel if your chip is knackered (like using a neodymium magnet for instance). I'm so tempted to try this but don't wanna be refused getting on a plane if that's the consequence for it & also having to go through the hassle (& extortionate prices) of getting another one if it does. Does anyone know the answer to this question, ie has anyone travelled on a faulty chipped passport?

[garth]

Hi Lookfar, dunno about the magnets but the official technical method of disablement is a sharp whack with a hammer :)

Although the passport office say this
You can't disable the RFID chip without voiding your passport: "Any passport which has been materially changed in physical appearance or composition, or contains a damaged, defective or otherwise nonfunctioning electronic chip, or which includes unauthorized changes, obliterations, entries or photographs, ... may be invalidated."

Most places recommend putting your chipped passport into a mylar bag (the anti static bag that you get with a new hard drive or RAM) or a sleeve made of aluminum foil as this is meant to block any signals to the RF chip.

[lookfar]

Hi Lookfar, dunno about the magnets but the official technical method of disablement is a sharp whack with a hammer :)

Although the passport office say this

Most places recommend putting your chipped passport into a mylar bag (the anti static bag that you get with a new hard drive or RAM) or a sleeve made of aluminum foil as this is meant to block any signals to the RF chip.

Bloody passport office, seem to have all eventualities covered don't they!!:( I've not had the guts to try the magnet yet (& probably won't tbh) & the hammer option might be a tad too obvious, lol :p

I've just googled the mylar bags & found this site http://www.paraben-forensics.com/rfid-passport-security.html, so I might have to invest in something like that for the time being.

Thanks for the info :)

[cruise4]

There is a problem here though. As Lookfar says she has perfectly good reasons to get a chipped passport. A number of my friends have done the same thing for the same reasons. At what point is non-compliance to enter in? I don't have the answer.

[steevo]

Hi cruise4

Thanks for sharing. It's yet another instance where the general public can have their personal information tampered with & it makes me sick!:mad:

I also have a wanky chipped passport which I detest, but decided that I'd have to get it done in order to escape this godforesaken island someday soon & on holidays when I can manage it.

I'm still not sure if they allow you to travel if your chip is knackered (like using a neodymium magnet for instance). I'm so tempted to try this but don't wanna be refused getting on a plane if that's the consequence for it & also having to go through the hassle (& extortionate prices) of getting another one if it does. Does anyone know the answer to this question, ie has anyone travelled on a faulty chipped passport?

Lookfar, I will be getting a biometric passport soon and the very thought pisses me off cos I have no option. But like you I intend to leave the UK one day so I will NOT be destroying the chip until then. Which ever country I leave to I will either destroy the chip THERE or i will place it in a jar and throw it in the sea or somehow hide it in a truck so that they follow it round maybe into another country. Either way though, unfortunately, they will be able to check the LAST airport or whatever that the passport was seen and hunt you down that way but that's a gamble I will take. Also, cos of globalisation, I think they plan to give EVERYONE in the world ID cards so THAT will make it more difficult to escape and if I remember rightly, alot of these other countries (which I will not name lol) where we could escape to have already had the biometric passports for a while now and probably will have ID cards before us :(
I suppose they want us to have no hiding place so maybe we need to have the fight for freedom right HERE.

I will keep the passport though just so I can have that extra option.

[garth]

Bloody passport office, seem to have all eventualities covered don't they!!:( I've not had the guts to try the magnet yet (& probably won't tbh) & the hammer option might be a tad too obvious, lol :p

I've just googled the mylar bags & found this site http://www.paraben-forensics.com/rfid-passport-security.html, so I might have to invest in something like that for the time being.

Thanks for the info :)

Thanks for the link, I will have to get one for mine as i've just ordered a new one that has a damn chip in it.

My first idea was a lead wallet to put the thing in, but I can see that not working, having 1/2 kg of lead in your back pocket might be a pain in the arse.

[lookfar]

Lookfar, I will be getting a biometric passport soon and the very thought pisses me off cos I have no option. But like you I intend to leave the UK one day so I will NOT be destroying the chip until then. Which ever country I leave to I will either destroy the chip THERE or i will place it in a jar and throw it in the sea or somehow hide it in a truck so that they follow it round maybe into another country. Either way though, unfortunately, they will be able to check the LAST airport or whatever that the passport was seen and hunt you down that way but that's a gamble I will take. Also, cos of globalisation, I think they plan to give EVERYONE in the world ID cards so THAT will make it more difficult to escape and if I remember rightly, alot of these other countries (which I will not name lol) where we could escape to have already had the biometric passports for a while now and probably will have ID cards before us :(
I suppose they want us to have no hiding place so maybe we need to have the fight for freedom right HERE.

I will keep the passport though just so I can have that extra option.

Hi steevo

Yeah I was really reluctant to get mine renewed but then thought "fuck it", I'd be cutting my nose off to spite my face & letting them win by being forced to stay put, so was worth the risk imo. I have to get my son's renewed soon so his is also gonna be chipped :mad:

I agree that this is all leading up to ID cards (globally), get them used to passports being chipped (for their security of course:rolleyes:) & then combine everything into one card = total control :( Looking at it that way, maybe the passport chip isn't quite as bad as the other option, & as you say, you can always inactive the bloody thing when you need to as well.

[lookfar]

Thanks for the link, I will have to get one for mine as i've just ordered a new one that has a damn chip in it.

Bummer, so they're chipping you guys there too, not good :(

My first idea was a lead wallet to put the thing in, but I can see that not working, having 1/2 kg of lead in your back pocket might be a pain in the arse.

Yeah that would quite literally be a "pain in the arse", lol!:p

[cruise4]

Rather than me write it all out again, here's a link to another site that'll explain what it's all about. Respects to 'Golden Rivet' from that forum.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=234224

[lookfar]

Rather than me write it all out again, here's a link to another site that'll explain what it's all about. Respects to 'Golden Rivet' from that forum.

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=234224

Thanks for that cruise4, I've just ordered a couple of those from that link, nice one :D

[somewarez]

Heres something I found, after reading this thread, I guess for those not too bothered about style or for those who can't buy off the net or afford a more expensive wallet. Heres a link to a build your own :)

http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/RFIDWallet.php

&

http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/duct_tape_wallet.html

Might be of help to someone :)

SW

[steevo]

Heres something I found, after reading this thread, I guess for those not too bothered about style or for those who can't buy off the net or afford a more expensive wallet. Heres a link to a build your own :)

http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/RFIDWallet.php

&

http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/duct_tape_wallet.html

Might be of help to someone :)

SW

I wopnder if it is true about the tin foil blocking RFID chips ? I hope so. I have some of that foil sticky tape but I dont really want to ruin my wallet so I wonder if I could just wrap foil around my cards (and around my head hee hee lol) ? What do you reckon ?

[beldazar]

yeah i reckon you can just wrap it in foil! I was messing around with someone the other day about wearing tin foil hats, who cares if anyone laughs, who's the stupid one really? :D

[steevo]

yeah i reckon you can just wrap it in foil! I was messing around with someone the other day about wearing tin foil hats, who cares if anyone laughs, who's the stupid one really? :D

Exactly :cool:
Thanks Beldazar :)

[optimus pigpot]

Lookfar, I will be getting a biometric passport soon and the very thought pisses me off cos I have no option. But like you I intend to leave the UK one day so I will NOT be destroying the chip until then. Which ever country I leave to I will either destroy the chip THERE or i will place it in a jar and throw it in the sea or somehow hide it in a truck so that they follow it round maybe into another country. Either way though, unfortunately, they will be able to check the LAST airport or whatever that the passport was seen and hunt you down that way but that's a gamble I will take. Also, cos of globalisation, I think they plan to give EVERYONE in the world ID cards so THAT will make it more difficult to escape and if I remember rightly, alot of these other countries (which I will not name lol) where we could escape to have already had the biometric passports for a while now and probably will have ID cards before us :(
I suppose they want us to have no hiding place so maybe we need to have the fight for freedom right HERE.

I will keep the passport though just so I can have that extra option.

When you leave the UK for your new country you will need it to pass security and customs. As you pass customs all information you have will be uploaded to the central system, SKYNET, if you will. Then you destroy it and cannot leave the country without it so you have to order a new one, when the new one is ordered it is already uploaded with all the previous data.

So what would you want to leave the country for. If you wish to leave to have a better life in another country then good for you but don't do it to run away from the NWO because you can't they are everywhere.

So what is it? What is the answer? I think all you can do is sit and wait and talk because they hold all the cards and mere mortals such as those on this site and everyhere else hold none.

That is unless anyone here suggests that they do something else.

We will see, in due course. Of course!!

Op.

[rreeve]

I removed the chip from my passport and buried it under the soil in my local grave-yard so as far as their detectors go, I am dead.

[lookfar]

I removed the chip from my passport and buried it under the soil in my local grave-yard so as far as their detectors go, I am dead.

LMAO, that made me laugh rreeve!!:D Are you intending to use your passport or remain "dead"?:)

[rreeve]

I guess I'll still use it when I next need to fly, if they accept it but I'll just play dumb and say it never came with any chip, i used a razor blade so you wouldn't know it was supposed to have one. At least without it I know my movements arn't being logged with some red dot on someones screen.
I intend on doing the same with the next chip they force on us too because I bet it'll be under the skin and the only way I'll ever have one is if i'm dead and buried.

Honestly, its shocking when you take it out. It has a massive copper arial attached to it, its about a meter wide loop of copper. I'd love to be able to hack into it to read exactly what information it stores.

[stipey]

when I got my passport the chips weren't out in public , so I don't have one in mine. However the funny thing is my passport expires in 12/12 I probably won't renew it, because if I leave the country I would do it before it expires. yet where would you go??? they are everywhere...

[col kilgore]

Hi

Mine doesn't work, it will not scan on any of the machines, all that happens is a somewhat frustrated immigration officer has to manually enter the details into the system. I do alot of travelling and have so far not been refused entry to anywhere as a result of it not being able to be scanned.

The only words spoken to me was by an immigration officer at Gatwick who told me that I should get in touch with the issuing office in order to get it replaced, "as it had cost me alot of money and it doesn't work" - doesn't bother me cos I'm not the one typing it all in am I?.

I have no idea wny it doesn't scan, I have not done anything to it, it has been like that since day one.
However, once i took an RFID sticker from a radio I got from Tesco's and microwaved it for 1 sec. totally buggered it, apparently....

CK

[contactless]

However, once i took an RFID sticker from a radio I got from Tesco's and microwaved it for 1 sec. totally buggered it, apparently....

CK

Yep, that'll do it Bill. "...I love the smell of burning chips in the morning. The smell, you know that burning plastic smell, the whole microwave....it smelled like, ....victory!"

And if that don't work, then you can always, "...zap 'em with your sirens man!!!" ;)