Christians have invaded this sight

[sunyatta60]

Looking at Icke's headline page it seems to me that someone other than Icke is pandering to the Xitians who have come here to hijack the forums.
Take the Headline about the Zeitgeist film being exposed either Icke has changed his position because he took the same line as the film in his book The Biggest Secret. Or he has really lost the plot, of course it could be neither and someone on the Icke team shot poor David in the foot.
That article the sight pointed everyone to is nothing more than Christian propaganda.

[armoured_amazon]

BOO!!!!

[sunyatta60]

BOO!!!!

You meant to type Moo LOL go on admit it was a typo :)

[armoured_amazon]

You meant to type Moo LOL go on admit it was a typo :)

Which irrationally scares you more?

[sunyatta60]

Which irrationally scares you more?

Irrational Christians will end this world they are the danger because they have in their hands the bomb.

[armoured_amazon]

Irrational Christians will end this world they are the danger because they have in their hands the bomb.

*yawn*

[joshyskye]

Looking at Icke's headline page it seems to me that someone other than Icke is pandering to the Xitians who have come here to hijack the forums.
Take the Headline about the Zeitgeist film being exposed either Icke has changed his position because he took the same line as the film in his book The Biggest Secret. Or he has really lost the plot, of course it could be neither and someone on the Icke team shot poor David in the foot.
That article the sight pointed everyone to is nothing more than Christian propaganda.

I agree 100%.

[sunyatta60]

Originally Posted by sunyatta60 View Post
Irrational Christians will end this world they are the danger because they have in their hands the bomb.

*yawn*

Apathy maybe you need something for that I bet Jesus is fed up with your Idolatory like I am.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by sunyatta60 View Post
Irrational Christians will end this world they are the danger because they have in their hands the bomb.

*yawn*

Apathy maybe you need something for that I bet Jesus is fed up with your Idolatory like I am.

Mmkay.

[sunyatta60]

Mmkay.

The “second coming” of Christ is a transformation of human consciousness, a shift from time to presence, from thinking to pure consciousness, not the arrival of some man or woman. If Christ were to return in some externalised form, what could he/she possibly say to you other than this: I am the Truth. I am divine presence. I am eternal life. I am within you. I am here. I am Now.
Eckhart Tolle

[armoured_amazon]

Mmkay. God bless!

[sunyatta60]

If you realize what the real problem is ___losing yourself__you realize that this itself is the ultimate trial.
Joseph Campbell

[armoured_amazon]

If you realize what the real problem is ___losing yourself__you realize that this itself is the ultimate trial.
Joseph Campbell

Okay! God bless. I have shopping to do. Enjoy your 'knowledge'! :)

[eternal_spirit]

The “second coming” of Christ is a transformation of human consciousness, a shift from time to presence, from thinking to pure consciousness, not the arrival of some man or woman. If Christ were to return in some externalised form, what could he/she possibly say to you other than this: I am the Truth. I am divine presence. I am eternal life. I am within you. I am here. I am Now.
Eckhart Tolle

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Oh dear, you seem to not like one book "the bible", yet quote what could said to be another New Age, philosophy belief system based on "faith", not "fact". Christ CONciousness same as Krishna conciousness? Doesn't this theory originate from some religious book, books?

2012 Mayan Calender seems an apt description the ascension process, The Mayan's where into human sacrafice enmasse? Hardly a comparison to the Christian mass. Kneel down, pray say a few prayers, sing songs, eat a rice paper host, Oh, what evil shocking:rolleyes:

Tolle's introduction to how he became "enlightened", is pure comedy, and totally unbelievable..... be funny if so many people didn't believe the shill, guess you have to take it in "faith", that's his story is true.

[sunyatta60]

.............................



Oh dear, you seem to not like one book "the bible", yet quote what could said to be another New Age, philosophy belief system based on "faith", not "fact". Christ CONciousness same as Krishna conciousness? Doesn't this theory originate from some religious book, books?

I don't like the Bible simply because it came from The Anti Christ Roman church period. The concept of Christ Consciousness was taught by the Gnostic Christ he taught that The Kingdom of God is within you

2012 Mayan Calender seems an apt description the ascension process, The Mayan's where into human sacrafice enmasse? Hardly a comparison to the Christian mass. Kneel down, pray say a few prayers, sing songs, eat a rice paper host, Oh, what evil shocking:rolleyes:
You are confusing the Mayans with the Aztecs different people altogether. The Mayans held to the belief that the world is a very clever illusion a idea that is now being verified by modern science.
Tolle's introduction to how he became "enlightened", is pure comedy, and totally unbelievable..... be funny if so many people didn't believe the shill, guess you have to take it in "faith", that's his story is true.

I have seen Tolle I have not seen the biblica Jesus a CONstruct of the Roman Anti Christ church so if I were a betting man I would say my Faith is based on the more reliable evidence :)

[armoured_amazon]

Of course it is.

/sarcasm

[ravenswing]

Maybe David is just asking us to do the research, not just take these films at face value? There are some links that I am going to check out and see what value they have.

[tron]

.............................

2012 Mayan Calender seems an apt description the ascension process, The Mayan's where into human sacrafice enmasse? Hardly a comparison to the Christian mass. Kneel down, pray say a few prayers, sing songs, eat a rice paper host, Oh, what evil shocking:rolleyes:

.

Crusades?! Inquisition?! If that isn't 'sacrafice enmasse' I don't know what is!! I'm not jumping on the anti-christian bandwagon here, although I always find it strange that 'truth-seekers' cannot even see the many holes involved in ALL organised religion, but don't have a selective memory about this. Christianity is like you described, NOW, after years of killing, intimidation and efforts to distort history. Why do you think that they used to burn so many books....hmm...I wonder....xx

[eternal_spirit]

You are confusing the Mayans with the Aztecs different people altogether. The Mayans held to the belief that the world is a very clever illusion a idea that is now being verified by modern science.

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- It has long been a matter of contention: Was the Aztec and Mayan practice of human sacrifice as widespread and horrifying as the history books say? Or did the Spanish conquerors overstate it to make the Indians look primitive? In recent years archaeologists have been uncovering mounting physical evidence that corroborates the Spanish accounts in substance, if not number.
Using high-tech forensic tools, archaeologists are proving that pre-Hispanic sacrifices often involved children and a broad array of intentionally brutal killing methods.
For decades, many researchers believed Spanish accounts from the 16th and 17th centuries were biased to denigrate Indian cultures, others argued that sacrifices were largely confined to captured warriors, while still others conceded the Aztecs were bloody, but believed the Maya were less so.

http://www.livescience.com/history/human_sacrifice_050123.html

[drael]

Im sorry, but there are serious factual flaws in this film (although not in all the parts). The christ section is indeed fairly inaccurate, especially obvious to those whove studied different religions and mythology. Im not sure about the astrology myself, but it is fairly clear that jesus's story is not identical to any one other individual (More like the story of jesus is a "composite" of various mythologies).

I personally agree that christians, in general are increasingly interested in conspiracy, but change major details to suit their existing church based beleifs. Few even agknowledge the vast, historically known, conspiracy at the centre of their faith. I too find this frustrating especially as the focus tends to be on "judgement", not "tolerance" - as is the ptbs intention with this religion.

However, zeitgeist is not the answer to this problem. The reality is a little more complex....The history of christianity, history of religous symbology and practice will eventually make clear christianities pagan ties, the role of power in the church etc. In practice, this may take some time.

I only hope i can find some common ground with these newcomers, they seem to be totally trapped in dogma/ideology. Like for example, with an atheist i could discuss advanced tech and economic/cultural controls with. A buddhist, i could talk with about illusion. A shaman, i could talk to about metaphysics, trance states & demonic possession. All those things are in common...through icke.

With a christian - what do i discuss, everything i might name, they see totally differently, usually as the devil. I can really talk to anyone! I can even talk bible symbology/interpretation. I can talk god. Im actually open, can talk about anything. But no, they talk to me about my "evil" devil worshipping ways, demon possession etc. Its boring, and we have a problem here - a group who just wont learn to get along with the others.....All the rest of us completely different people manage just fine.....I really hope we can one day put to rest all this squabbling over christian dogma. Can we try and find our "in commonness", or isnt there any???????

[armoured_amazon]

Im sorry, but there are serious factual flaws in this film (although not in all the parts). The christ section is indeed fairly inaccurate, especially obvious to those whove studied different religions and mythology. Im not sure about the astrology myself, but it is fairly clear that jesus's story is not identical to any one other individual (More like the story of jesus is a "composite" of various mythologies).

I personally agree that christians, in general are increasingly interested in conspiracy, but change major details to suit their existing church based beleifs. Few even agknowledge the vast, historically known, conspiracy at the centre of their faith. I too find this frustrating especially as the focus tends to be on "judgement", not "tolerance" - as is the ptbs intention with this religion.

However, zeitgeist is not the answer to this problem. The reality is a little more complex....The history of christianity, history of religous symbology and practice will eventually make clear christianities pagan ties, the role of power in the church etc. In practice, this may take some time.

I only hope i can find some common ground with these newcomers, they seem to be totally trapped in dogma/ideology. Like for example, with an atheist i could discuss advanced tech and economic/cultural controls with. A buddhist, i could talk with about illusion. A shaman, i could talk to about metaphysics, trance states & demonic possession. All those things are in common...through icke.

With a christian - what do i discuss, everything i might name, they see totally differently, usually as the devil. I can really talk to anyone! I can even talk bible symbology/interpretation. I can talk god. Im actually open, can talk about anything. But no, they talk to me about my "evil" devil worshipping ways, demon possession etc. Its boring, and we have a problem here - a group who just wont learn to get along with the others.....All the rest of us completely different people manage just fine.....I really hope we can one day put to rest all this squabbling over christian dogma. Can we try and find our "in commonness", or isnt there any???????

Perhaps you assume what we think? God is omnipotent, after all. How do you know that we're not worshipping the same Creator and just don't know it? I tell you what is tiring; people thinking Christians and christianity are the same thing. We follow Jesus teachings and in doing so, the Hebrew God. The Church does not.

I enjoy your posts, btw.

[drael]

I should really have put some kinda disclaimer on that post. I absolutely have no problem with jesus's example or core teachings, they are all good and theres even mystic symbolism in the bible (like in genesis), which i like.

I only direct such a message to those to whom it applies! (and sorry if i wasnt clear about that in language).

Ive had alot of pointless arguments on this forum, with said people, and its annoying, thus the rantiness!

And yeah, im personally sure we worship the same god, we have the same ideals - love, wisdom and compassion, etc..

Peace, sister! :)

[armoured_amazon]

I should really have put some kinda disclaimer on that post. I absolutely have no problem with jesus's example or core teachings, they are all good and theres even mystic symbolism in the bible (like in genesis), which i like.

I only direct such a message to those to whom it applies! (and sorry if i wasnt clear about that in language).

Ive had alot of pointless arguments on this forum, with said people, and its annoying, thus the rantiness!

Peace! :)

Hehehe, no problem. And peace to you too :)

[eternal_spirit]

I should really have put some kinda disclaimer on that post. I absolutely have no problem with jesus's example or core teachings, they are all good and theres even mystic symbolism in the bible (like in genesis), which i like.

I only direct such a message to those to whom it applies! (and sorry if i wasnt clear about that in language).

Ive had alot of pointless arguments on this forum, with said people, and its annoying, thus the rantiness!

And yeah, im personally sure we worship the same god, we have the same ideals - love, wisdom and compassion, etc..

Peace, sister! :)

.....................

That's funny I've had more arguments myself with pro satanists.

[drael]

That's funny I've had more arguments myself with pro satanists.

Thats everyone uv ever met isnt it? lol :D

[carlperkins]

I think we all have to learn to live with each other peacefully, Christians, Satanists, Whales or whatever, and love each other somehow.

[eternal_spirit]

Thats everyone uv ever met isnt it? lol :D

......................

:D No, just when some back up notorious Satanists and black magicians. Defies logic and decency.
And can leave one suspicious of their motivations for doing so.

[drakul]

You are confusing the Mayans with the Aztecs different people altogether. The Mayans held to the belief that the world is a very clever illusion a idea that is now being verified by modern science.

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- It has long been a matter of contention: Was the Aztec and Mayan practice of human sacrifice as widespread and horrifying as the history books say? Or did the Spanish conquerors overstate it to make the Indians look primitive? In recent years archaeologists have been uncovering mounting physical evidence that corroborates the Spanish accounts in substance, if not number.
Using high-tech forensic tools, archaeologists are proving that pre-Hispanic sacrifices often involved children and a broad array of intentionally brutal killing methods.
For decades, many researchers believed Spanish accounts from the 16th and 17th centuries were biased to denigrate Indian cultures, others argued that sacrifices were largely confined to captured warriors, while still others conceded the Aztecs were bloody, but believed the Maya were less so.

http://www.livescience.com/history/human_sacrifice_050123.html




Ahh one of my favorite topics. I've spent many happy days cruising Mayan ruins in Guatemala and Mexico. Mayan religion was incredibly cruel. Right on a par with Aztec. However Mayans were conqured by the TOLTECS an undefined tribe/grouping of Aztec affiliations. It is the TOLTECS that brought in the demand for human sacrifice. This is what my Mayan guides have told me. Up until then the blood sacrifice in Mayan rituals was AUTO-SACRIFICE - stab yourself in the penis, run a rope of thorns through your tongue and collect the blood, fun stuff like that.

[sunyatta60]

Of course it is.

/sarcasm

Don't tell me you have seen the CONstruct called Jesus Snork!

[drakul]

Looking at Icke's headline page it seems to me that someone other than Icke is pandering to the Xitians who have come here to hijack the forums.
Take the Headline about the Zeitgeist film being exposed either Icke has changed his position because he took the same line as the film in his book The Biggest Secret. Or he has really lost the plot, of course it could be neither and someone on the Icke team shot poor David in the foot.
That article the sight pointed everyone to is nothing more than Christian propaganda.

This may shock you but MANY CHRISTIANS have read Icke's books and AGREE WITH HIM about the NWO and it's Masonic/Illuminati Pyramid. Icke has a huge audience of Christians. HOWEVER we obviously don't agree with the incredible MASONIC LIES that are being told re: `The World's 16 Crucified Saviors' etc pub 1875. This book is the foundation for the religion section of Zeitgeist as told by `Acharya' in `Christ Conspiracy'. LIES such as Krishna was born on Dec 25 of a virgin, Buddha was born on Dec 25 of a virgin. Horus was crucified. Mithra was crucified and on and on ad nauseum. Why should we just sit back and tolerate this?

I've already posted the links proving these stunning falsehoods, many times. But you don't wanna know. You don't wanna bother to investigate. You wanna cry and complain - `we're being invaded!' You'd rather be a cow grazing in the field - Acharya has 195 reference citings to these high level masonic authors:

Albert Pike
James Churchward
Albert Churchward
Godfrey Higgins
Richard Baigent
Helena Blavatsky

And if you don't know how influential these people are and have been within
Freemasonry, you are alot more naive and ignorant than even YOU think.

[sunyatta60]

This may shock you but MANY CHRISTIANS have read Icke's books and AGREE WITH HIM about the NWO and it's Masonic/Illuminati Pyramid. Icke has a huge audience of Christians. HOWEVER we obviously don't agree with the incredible MASONIC LIES that are being told re: `The World's 16 Crucified Saviors' etc pub 1875. This book is the foundation for the religion section of Zeitgeist as told by `Acharya' in `Christ Conspiracy'. LIES such as Krishna was born on Dec 25 of a virgin, Buddha was born on Dec 25 of a virgin. Horus was crucified. Mithra was crucified and on and on ad nauseum. Why should we just sit back and tolerate this?

I've already posted the links proving these stunning falsehoods, many times. But you don't wanna know. You don't wanna bother to investigate. You wanna cry and complain - `we're being invaded!' You'd rather be a cow grazing in the field - Acharya has 195 reference citings to these high level masonic authors:

Albert Pike
James Churchward
Albert Churchward
Godfrey Higgins
Richard Baigent
Helena Blavatsky

And if you don't know how influential these people are and have been within
Freemasonry, you are alot more naive and ignorant than even YOU think.

I think you are full of your own hubris like most Xitian Fundies are I suggest you are also posting to the wrong forum why not get your arrogant arse over to Acharay's web site and spout of your nonsense there. For the record Icke came to the same conclusion as Acharay and others, that more than one god man came to show the way. You stupid xitians want to monopolise that and it cannot be done no matter how hard you try.
What I find really funny is that Most Xitians will claim that the Roman Church that gave the world the bible is Anti Christ. Yet it is this very same church that gave the world the deity Jesus Christ.
So when a prick like you talks about ignorance and naievity people with an understanding of psychology can see you are doing nothing more than projecting your negativity traits onto others.

[blue]

BOO!!!!

*yawn*

Mmkay.

Mmkay. God bless!

Okay! God bless. I have shopping to do. Enjoy your 'knowledge'! :)

Of course it is.

/sarcasm

Christians at their best !! why are such people here on the board....to yawn? to boo? to Mmkay?? religious sheeple just dont get it. they cant sell their JC stuff here.....NO NO not on this forum.

[drael]

U know, they really are invading. Im starting to feel like posting spells and occult symbols everywhere.

Please dont feed the christians!

[resistance]

I have got nothing against the christians on this site they have every right to be here, some are indocrinated beyond reason though which is not any use to anybody (least themeselves) but the same could be said of some non christians too.

[drakul]

I have got nothing against the christians on this site they have every right to be here, some are indocrinated beyond reason though which is not any use to anybody (least theirselves) but the same could be said of some non christians too.


THANKYOU FOR THAT.

[drakul]

I think you are full of your own hubris like most Xitian Fundies are I suggest you are also posting to the wrong forum why not get your arrogant arse over to Acharay's web site and spout of your nonsense there. For the record Icke came to the same conclusion as Acharay and others, that more than one god man came to show the way. You stupid xitians want to monopolise that and it cannot be done no matter how hard you try.
What I find really funny is that Most Xitians will claim that the Roman Church that gave the world the bible is Anti Christ. Yet it is this very same church that gave the world the deity Jesus Christ.
So when a prick like you talks about ignorance and naievity people with an understanding of psychology can see you are doing nothing more than projecting your negativity traits onto others.

`More than 1 God Man came to show the way?` I have no problem with that. It's only logical. Unfortunately some (ignorant, brainwashed) Christians believe that dogma. But I don't think the majority do at all.

It's pretty clear that the `Roman' Church did NOT `give the world Jesus Christ', although the VATICAN would love you to believe their propaganda.

Emperor Constantine was NOT of Roman blood and he did not rule from Rome. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman EMPIRE in 325AD from his CAPITOL, GREEK-speaking Constantinople. This was in fact the victory of Greek culture and spirituality over the DEGENERATE Romans. Even then the Romans continued their blood sacrifices and gladiatorial games until the 5th centure.

What is the oldest Bible in the world?

Codex Sinaiticus written in GREEK (NOT Latin).

[dave31]

You're right sunyatta60 - I think drakul is a Christian from that infowars forum. He continues to try to spread lies and rumors about Acharya and her work accusing her of being a Freemason - LOL. He has never seen the back cover of her book let alone read it. drakul thinks that since she wrote about Freemason the "mysteries and the "brotherhood" exposing them for the religion they helped to create, that she is one of them. Even though David Icke cites her in his books Icke never accuses her of being on of the Illuminati or a Freemason - very much the opposite. Their work complements one another. drakul is just mad because he can't find anything in Icke's books suggesting that Acharya is the Freemason he wants to believe she is - I think drakul is off his meds.

Re the zeitgeist headline:

David Icke's work is in Zeitgeist too so the webmaster probably never checked into this and has obviously made a critical error in posting it like this. It should be removed.

In other words, the webmaster/Icke website is endorsing that thread which means that David Icke's work and all of the sources he cites in it have also been "thoroughly debunked" - GET IT?

The link takes you to the Alex Jones (another Christian) "infowars" forum which was posted on "Jul 08, 2007" - how is that late breaking headline news? Plus, that forum only had 681 members when posted on Icke's website it at the time I looked at it.

The original poster of that thread claims that there are "50 factual errors" in Zeitgeist while toward the bottom, this person also claims "The bible has been 100% accurate." They never do name one single factual error anyway. They do make fools of themselves though.

For a few more details on this see post 192:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264214&postcount=192

[drakul]

You're right sunyatta60 - I think drakul is a Christian from that infowars forum. He continues to try to spread lies and rumors about Acharya and her work accusing her of being a Freemason - LOL. He has never seen the back cover of her book let alone read it. drakul thinks that since she wrote about Freemason the "mysteries and the "brotherhood" exposing them for the religion they helped to create, that she is one of them. Even though David Icke cites her in his books Icke never accuses her of being on of the Illuminati or a Freemason - very much the opposite. Their work complements one another. drakul is just mad because he can't find anything in Icke's books suggesting that Acharya is the Freemason he wants to believe she is - I think drakul is off his meds.



Open hints where Acharya's sympathies lie:

* From the preface to `Christ Conspiracy' -

"More strictly, the word (ACHARYA) means `preceptor', the head-master or principal of a school... only in some dictionaries that `preceptory' incudes reference to the Knights Templar...Today, Freemasonry continues to claim descent from this medieval brotherhood. None of this rumination suggests that Acharya S claims title as a preceptor or direct kinship to the Freemasons although she has helped re-popularize an essay by Thaomas Paine regarding sun-worship."

Acharya's very NAME hints of her Freemasonic sympathies and or affiliations and she's telling you so RIGHT UP FRONT. Let those who have eyes SEE.

* Again on Pg 348 Acharya states -

"Thus we have seen the remarkable history of Christianity and Masonry. Both are `brotherhoods of the Sun', the former (Christianity) exoteric and vulgar, and the latter, (Freemasonry ) esoteric and refined"

Acharya says Christianity is exoteric - open to the public and therefore - `VULGAR'. Whereas Freemasonry is esoteric - secretive and therefore - `REFINED'. What does that tell you about Acharya's agenda?


* Acharya consistently cites INFAMOUS (and mostly 19th century) Freemasons as sources for Christ Conspiracy - to prove that Christ never existed. 195 references cited to just the 5 masons I KNOW about: Albert Pike, Albert Churchward, James Churchward, Richard Baigent and Godfrey Higgins.

[dave31]

drakul all you're doing here is demonstrating your very selective perception. You have no Idea how bad you're embarrassing yourself everytime you accuse Acharya of being a Freemason and involved in the Illuminati. It's just, well, really dumb.

"Christ Conspiracy" back cover excerpt

"... Acharya marshals an enormous amount of startling evidence to demonstrate that Christianity and the story of Jesus Christ were created by members of various secret societies, mystery schools and religions in order to unify the Roman empire under one state religion. In making such a fabrication, this multinational cabal drew upon a multitude of myths and rituals that already existed long before the Christian era, and reworked them for centuries into the story and religion passed down today"

drakul, you're also completely unaware that Acharya wrote another book specifically on the gospels and Jesus using an almost all CHRISTIAN bibliography.

"Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ"
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/whowasjesus.html

Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ contains quotes from the following Christian authorities, apologists and evangelicals, as well as New Testament scholars:

* John Ankerberg
* Craig L. Blomberg
* F.F. Bruce
* William Lane Craig
* John Dominic Crossan
* Bart Ehrman
* Norman Geisler
* Gary Habermas
* Josh McDowell
* John P. Meier
* Bruce M. Metzger
* J.P. Moreland
* Ronald H. Nash
* Lee Strobel
* Merrill C. Tenney
* Ben Witherington
* Edwin Yamauchi
* And more!

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/wwjpaperback.html

Amazon - ********************/2fa8aw

Borders - ********************/32w9la

Barnes & Noble - ********************/2lyuym

http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopic.php?t=1563

[drakul]

EVEN DAVID ICKE may be questioning Acharya's veracity as a `scholar' -

Go to HEADLINES - this site -

Wednesday, 06 February 2008
Zeitgeist The Movie Lies Exposed

This suspected propaganda film contains over 50 factual errors and has been thoroughly debunked.

Read more

http://www.infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952

[dave31]

EVEN DAVID ICKE may be questioning Acharya's veracity as a `scholar' -

Go to HEADLINES - this site -

Wednesday, 06 February 2008
Zeitgeist The Movie Lies Exposed

This suspected propaganda film contains over 50 factual errors and has been thoroughly debunked.

Read more

http://www.infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952

This "Headline News" Zeitgeist issue is an ERROR that needs to be removed immediately.

David Icke's work is in Zeitgeist too so the webmaster probably never checked into this and has obviously made a critical error in posting it like this. It should be removed.

In other words, the webmaster/Icke website is endorsing this thread which means that David Icke's work and all of the sources he cites in it have also been "thoroughly debunked" - GET IT? Which is clearly false.

The original poster of that thread claims that there are "50 factual errors" in Zeitgeist while toward the bottom, this person also claims "The bible has been 100% accurate." And where are these so-called 50 factual errors - I didn't find them anywhere. Maybe drakul could tell us since he's probably already a member over there. drakul certainly seems very Christian and would fit right in at infowars. It wouldn't surprise me a bit.

The link takes you to the Alex Jones (another Christian) "infowars" forum which was posted on "Jul 08, 2007" - how is that late breaking headline news? Plus, that forum only had 681 members when posted on Icke's website it at the time I looked at it.

Now, the best sources they can come up with are from JP Holding's "Tektonics" website. JP Holding (another Christian) has absolutely no biblical credentials whatsoever.

For a few more details on this see post 192:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264214&postcount=192

This is clearly a critical error. It is diametrically opposed to the work of David Icke and other sources he cites throughout his work. It needs to be removed.

Meanwhile, maybe the webmaster would be better off posting this instead - much more appropriate for the David Icke readers such as myself.

"The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST Part 1" E-Book
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/solarsky22/ZGcover.jpg

[drakul]

EVEN DAVID ICKE may be questioning Acharya's veracity as a `scholar' -

Go to HEADLINES - this site -

Wednesday, 06 February 2008
Zeitgeist The Movie Lies Exposed

This suspected propaganda film contains over 50 factual errors and has been thoroughly debunked.

Read more

http://www.infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952


David Icke's WEBMASTER might be critical of the accuracy of the religion section of Zeitgeist??!! I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED I say.

[optimus pigpot]

Christian bashing are you. Heaven forbid. Jesus will not tolerate such behaviour and you will all earn yourselves 3 de-merits for this.

You will not enter heaven, do not pass GO and do not collect $200.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!

So without any reference to anyone in particular, Christianity is a load of old/]['=-09

Many thanks and kind regards to all.

Op.

[optimus pigpot]

Christian bashing are you. Heaven forbid. Jesus will not tolerate such behaviour and you will all earn yourselves 3 de-merits for this.

You will not enter heaven, do not pass GO and do not collect $200.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!

So without any reference to anyone in particular, Christianity is a load of old/]['=-09

Many thanks and kind regards to all.

Op.

This is only the opinion of Optimus pigpot. It should not be taken as literally correct. Optimus pigpot declines to take any blame for this point of view and wishes that his opinions are not seen to be offensive but also can be if you feel like it or are overly emotional at the time.

Further to this, Optimus pigpot declares that he should now become your God (this applies to all forum members) and states that you, yes you, have no choice whatsoever in this matter. He also declares himself to be officially bigger than Jesus.

He does not send his love or best wishes upon this occassion.

[drakul]

Im sorry, but there are serious factual flaws in this film (although not in all the parts). The christ section is indeed fairly inaccurate, especially obvious to those whove studied different religions and mythology. Im not sure about the astrology myself, but it is fairly clear that jesus's story is not identical to any one other individual (More like the story of jesus is a "composite" of various mythologies).

I personally agree that christians, in general are increasingly interested in conspiracy, but change major details to suit their existing church based beleifs. Few even agknowledge the vast, historically known, conspiracy at the centre of their faith. I too find this frustrating especially as the focus tends to be on "judgement", not "tolerance" - as is the ptbs intention with this religion.

However, zeitgeist is not the answer to this problem. The reality is a little more complex....The history of christianity, history of religous symbology and practice will eventually make clear christianities pagan ties, the role of power in the church etc. In practice, this may take some time.

I only hope i can find some common ground with these newcomers, they seem to be totally trapped in dogma/ideology. Like for example, with an atheist i could discuss advanced tech and economic/cultural controls with. A buddhist, i could talk with about illusion. A shaman, i could talk to about metaphysics, trance states & demonic possession. All those things are in common...through icke.

With a christian - what do i discuss, everything i might name, they see totally differently, usually as the devil. I can really talk to anyone! I can even talk bible symbology/interpretation. I can talk god. Im actually open, can talk about anything. But no, they talk to me about my "evil" devil worshipping ways, demon possession etc. Its boring, and we have a problem here - a group who just wont learn to get along with the others.....All the rest of us completely different people manage just fine.....I really hope we can one day put to rest all this squabbling over christian dogma. Can we try and find our "in commonness", or isnt there any???????


Thanks for your integrity regarding Zeitgeist. As for `newcomer' Christians on this site telling you you're going to hell in a handbasket, I really have not seen that(?). Most Christians here seem more sophisticated than that. I can talk to you about Buddhism - I lived and worked in a Buddhist country - Thailand - in fact that is where I met my spouse, who is Chinese-American. I recently returned from another trip to SEA and I have practiced Buddhist meditation for years.

[cataleptik]

Looking at Icke's headline page it seems to me that someone other than Icke is pandering to the Xitians who have come here to hijack the forums.
Take the Headline about the Zeitgeist film being exposed either Icke has changed his position because he took the same line as the film in his book The Biggest Secret. Or he has really lost the plot, of course it could be neither and someone on the Icke team shot poor David in the foot.
That article the sight pointed everyone to is nothing more than Christian propaganda.


around 323 a. d. the Romans under Constantine were BUTCHERING the Gnostics, history tells us. Many if not most of the Gnostics were considering themselves followers of the Christ. But the targeting of the Gnostics was BEFORE "Jesus" became officially the mascot of the Novus Ordo Seculorum under Constantine the Emperor.

the confusion has been spreading and spreading.

it could be pointed out that Christ followers, Mohammedans and people who practice the Judaic religions and traditions were ONCE called 'people of the book' because they shared a scriptural heritage.

whose interest it was to emphasize separation for so to make war fighting more appealing should be conjectured on.

[cataleptik]

This is only the opinion of Optimus pigpot. It should not be taken as literally correct. Optimus pigpot declines to take any blame for this point of view and wishes that his opinions are not seen to be offensive but also can be if you feel like it or are overly emotional at the time.

Further to this, Optimus pigpot declares that he should now become your God (this applies to all forum members) and states that you, yes you, have no choice whatsoever in this matter. He also declares himself to be officially bigger than Jesus.

He does not send his love or best wishes upon this occassion.

this "Pigpot" as it is calling itself, male or female is obviously one of those "Bob" believing SubGeniuses. It could even be the worst sort, a Holocaustal SubGenius. Such people tend to take delight in starting arguments about religion for the sheer joy of imagining the devout turning apoplectic shades of Pink...people, be on guard.

And of course, if "Pigpot" is NOT a SubGenius, they might want to check out the goods, details and servixes available from The SubGenius Foundation, or even send $1 to www.subgenius.com for prompt fracking and tumping. Thanx. I'll be around.

[michaelacookii]

Looking at Icke's headline page it seems to me that someone other than Icke is pandering to the Xitians who have come here to hijack the forums.
Take the Headline about the Zeitgeist film being exposed either Icke has changed his position because he took the same line as the film in his book The Biggest Secret. Or he has really lost the plot, of course it could be neither and someone on the Icke team shot poor David in the foot.
That article the sight pointed everyone to is nothing more than Christian propaganda.

To go back to the original point, David was not backing up the claim, but was merely showing that people are trying to discredit alternative views. He says himself that he disagrees with the Christian Patriot movement in "And the Truth Shall Set You Free" I believe, anyway the point was that if you viewed the article and the links you'd see that they were just saying it and didn't back anything up, the sad thing is people will believe the article and discredit Zeitgeist, though I really want to see that movie. Who are the Xitians and why are they trying to hijack the forums?

[optimus pigpot]

this "Pigpot" as it is calling itself, male or female is obviously one of those "Bob" believing SubGeniuses. It could even be the worst sort, a Holocaustal SubGenius. Such people tend to take delight in starting arguments about religion for the sheer joy of imagining the devout turning apoplectic shades of Pink...people, be on guard.

And of course, if "Pigpot" is NOT a SubGenius, they might want to check out the goods, details and servixes available from The SubGenius Foundation, or even send $1 to www.subgenius.com for prompt fracking and tumping. Thanx. I'll be around.

Biblical prophesy from the Book of Pigpotatron.

Chapter 3, verse 3, line 2 (coming before line 3 and after line 1). And there shall come a leader. His name shall not be Ghandi, Prime, Blair or Jesus. It shall be that of pigpot. Optimus pigpot shall be the name given to him. He shall be given the strength of the creator and the power from heaven to dwarf silly cartoon figures like Jesus and Buddha who as we all know never really existed and were made up to waste peoples time and money and to ensure that they were distracted from the real issues of the day. Anyway,He shall be bigger than Jesus and the Beatles and Elvis, all put together and you shall worship him, if not like him a whole lot more than the rest we've just mentioned. Thanks for reading.

The Author and sole Creator.

Optimus pigpot sends some love this time, but not too much.

[drael]

Thanks for your integrity regarding Zeitgeist. As for `newcomer' Christians on this site telling you you're going to hell in a handbasket, I really have not seen that(?). Most Christians here seem more sophisticated than that. I can talk to you about Buddhism - I lived and worked in a Buddhist country - Thailand - in fact that is where I met my spouse, who is Chinese-American. I recently returned from another trip to SEA and I have practiced Buddhist meditation for years.

Thats cool. Actually its pretty obvious IMO. I agree there are some quite sophisticated christians here.

I am a magician, and for some reason, some christians here think its there business to tell me im going to hell, being cursed by god or possessed by demons (or have a very large elephant happen to fall from the sky on my head! lol) because of my beleifs. Its just sad and annoying, and gets in the way of real discussion.

I like alot of buddhism. I dont really beleive u can actually experience complete unity (its sort of a contradiction logically), but the idea of transcendance, illusion and suffering is very good. Im pretty keen on daoism, and studied eastern philosophy at uni. Meditation i beleive is a very good practice of spiritual experience. I think every person should try and access the experience, rather than just read a book or something. Ive always been a little "drifty", so these things have always just happened for me, without any real technique.

[kblood]

You're right sunyatta60 - I think drakul is a Christian from that infowars forum. He continues to try to spread lies and rumors about Acharya and her work accusing her of being a Freemason - LOL. He has never seen the back cover of her book let alone read it. drakul thinks that since she wrote about Freemason the "mysteries and the "brotherhood" exposing them for the religion they helped to create, that she is one of them. Even though David Icke cites her in his books Icke never accuses her of being on of the Illuminati or a Freemason - very much the opposite. Their work complements one another. drakul is just mad because he can't find anything in Icke's books suggesting that Acharya is the Freemason he wants to believe she is - I think drakul is off his meds.

Re the zeitgeist headline:

David Icke's work is in Zeitgeist too so the webmaster probably never checked into this and has obviously made a critical error in posting it like this. It should be removed.

In other words, the webmaster/Icke website is endorsing that thread which means that David Icke's work and all of the sources he cites in it have also been "thoroughly debunked" - GET IT?

The link takes you to the Alex Jones (another Christian) "infowars" forum which was posted on "Jul 08, 2007" - how is that late breaking headline news? Plus, that forum only had 681 members when posted on Icke's website it at the time I looked at it.

The original poster of that thread claims that there are "50 factual errors" in Zeitgeist while toward the bottom, this person also claims "The bible has been 100% accurate." They never do name one single factual error anyway. They do make fools of themselves though.

For a few more details on this see post 192:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264214&postcount=192

So, if I made a book about satanism, blood sacrifice and claiming Benny Hill to be the true embodyment of god on Earth, and added a line that David had in one of his books, then if my book got debunked it would mean Davids work was getting debunked as well?

Please try to do some research regarding some of the obvious flaws in Zeitgeist. The Zeitgeist book isnt exactly enough of a source on its own.

David Icke have NOT approved of the Zeitgeist movie, the fact that the forum administrator isnt doing as you suggest should be a not so subtle hint regarding that fact.

There are truths to be found in the Zeitgeist movie, but dont eat it all up raw.

[drakul]

So, if I made a book about satanism, blood sacrifice and claiming Benny Hill to be the true embodyment of god on Earth, and added a line that David had in one of his books, then if my book got debunked it would mean Davids work was getting debunked as well?

Please try to do some research regarding some of the obvious flaws in Zeitgeist. The Zeitgeist book isnt exactly enough of a source on its own.

David Icke have NOT approved of the Zeitgeist movie, the fact that the forum administrator isnt doing as you suggest should be a not so subtle hint regarding that fact.

There are truths to be found in the Zeitgeist movie, but dont eat it all up raw.


WELL SAID.

[drakul]

around 323 a. d. the Romans under Constantine were BUTCHERING the Gnostics, history tells us. Many if not most of the Gnostics were considering themselves followers of the Christ. But the targeting of the Gnostics was BEFORE "Jesus" became officially the mascot of the Novus Ordo Seculorum under Constantine the Emperor.

the confusion has been spreading and spreading.




Pls supply a PRIMARY SOURCE link stating `Romans under Constantine were BUTCHERING Gnostics in 323 AD'.

I have been doing quite a bit of reading on this. Christianity was not even declared the official religion of the empire until 325, even after that I have seen no evidence of `butchering gnostics'.

[sweet cheeks]

Christians at their best !! why are such people here on the board....to yawn? to boo? to Mmkay?? religious sheeple just dont get it. they cant sell their JC stuff here.....NO NO not on this forum.


. Wait till ya meet true silly! (true lilly) the ultimate christard!

They never can PROVE any of that shit they spew, but they wanna hunt you down like a wounded bitch and shove their "beliefs" down your throat, so you will be head cheese like them! Fuck that! :eek::D

[dave31]

What with these recent posts on the Icke headlines page pushing the Idea that there are "factual errors" in zeitgeist only later finding out that they're all coming from Christians and Christian websites one could easily start believing that the webmasters for Icke are Christians and have invaded this sight.

If the webmasters can post Christian propaganda crap they can certainly post a scholarly work substantiating part 1 of Zeitgeist:

Here's what someone with real credentials says about the companion guide:

"The Companion Guide to Zeitgeist, Part 1, by Acharya S is an absolute must for anyone who wishes to fully understand the significance of the movie."

"Well-referenced, with numerous quotations from renowned Egyptologists and classical scholars, Acharya's penetrating research clearly lays out the very ancient pre-Christian basis of modern Christianity. Those who espouse Christianity beware! After digesting the evidence, you will never again view your religion in the same light."

Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D.
Professor of Natural Science
College of General Studies at Boston University
Author, Pyramid Quest, Voyages of the Pyramid Builders and Voices of the Rocks

"The Companion Guide to ZEITGEIST Part 1" E-Book
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeist.html

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/solarsky22/ZGcover.jpg

[amethyst]

Christian bashing are you. Heaven forbid. Jesus will not tolerate such behaviour and you will all earn yourselves 3 de-merits for this.

You will not enter heaven, do not pass GO and do not collect $200.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!

So without any reference to anyone in particular, Christianity is a load of old/]['=-09

Many thanks and kind regards to all.

Op.

For someone who does not believe in the reality of Jesus, you spend an awful lot of time belittleing other's belief in Jesus.

Methinks you doth protest too much. What are you so afraid of?

[dave31]

For someone who does not believe in the reality of Jesus, you spend an awful lot of time belittleing other's belief in Jesus.

Methinks you doth protest too much. What are you so afraid of?

What? And Jesus believers and bible thumpers have never belittled the theistic or atheistic views of others? Are you kidding? That's the only way they could dominate was by brute force and violence.

For those who are interested in the facts on Jesus and the Gospels see:

"Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ"
"Who was Jesus?" (WWJ) is perfect for the believer and non-believer alike! In fact, this book will help these two groups understand each other better!"

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
~ Historian Stephen Henry Roberts 1901-71

EDIT: Removed advertisements - against forum guidelines.

[amethyst]

What? And Jesus believers and bible thumpers have never belittled the theistic or atheistic views of others? Are you kidding? That's the only way they could dominate was by brute force and violence.

Certainly they have.

My post was addresed towards pigpot's rantings.

[dave31]

The moderator "lookfar" has just given me a warning for responding with a book critical of bible thumpers - I guess the original poster here is right, "Christians have invaded this sight"

Taking this into consideration with the webmasters posting Christian propaganda about Zeitgeist it may very well be true.

[drakul]

What? And Jesus believers and bible thumpers have never belittled the theistic or atheistic views of others? Are you kidding? That's the only way they could dominate was by brute force and violence.

For those who are interested in the facts on Jesus and the Gospels see:

"Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ"


EDIT: Removed advertisements - against forum guidelines.


That's all `Dave' comes on here for is to rabidly promote Acharya's books.

I wonder Why?

He/she so frantically promotes Acharya - Sometimes I get the sneaking suspicion `Dave' IS Acharya?

[drakul]

BTW - for the web it's SITE not `sight'

[dave31]

[/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]That's all `Dave' comes on here for is to rabidly promote Acharya's books.

I wonder Why? He/she so frantically promotes Acharya - Sometimes I get the sneaking suspicion `Dave' IS Acharya?

Why are *YOU* so frantically obsessed with spreading LIES and RUMORS about Acharya? Meanwhile, you've never even read her books. All you can do is make a barrage of false accusations - like now, accusing me of being Acharya.

Let me be the first to inform you that *YOU* are far beneath her notice.

The title of this thread is as follows: "Christians have invaded this sight"

[drakul]

Why are *YOU* so frantically obsessed with spreading LIES and RUMORS about Acharya? Meanwhile, you've never even read her books. All you can do is make a barrage of false accusations - like now, accusing me of being Acharya.

Let me be the first to inform you that *YOU* are far beneath her notice.

The title of this thread is as follows: "Christians have invaded this sight"

(smiles) I am concerned with Acharya's dependence on MASONIC SOURCES, including 33 degree Mason Albert Pike, to prove her point that Jesus never existed. Now if you want to infer that Acharya IS a Mason, or is financially supported by Masonic sources such as the LUCIS Trust to write her propaganda, that's up to you.

[dave31]

drakul, you're not "concerned" so don't pretend to be - you've clearly laid-out your preconceieved conclusions claiming that Acharya is a member of the Freemason/ Illuminati. Which is totally false. You do this by claiming that since her books contain quotes from them that therefore she is one of them. You've never actually read her work you just pretend you have so that you can pretend to be an expert on her work - which you clearly know very little about.

Meanwhile, her latest book:

"Who Was Jesus? Fingerprints of The Christ contains quotes from the following Christian authorities, apologists and evangelicals, as well as New Testament scholars:

* John Ankerberg
* Craig L. Blomberg
* F.F. Bruce
* William Lane Craig
* John Dominic Crossan
* Bart Ehrman
* Norman Geisler
* Gary Habermas
* Josh McDowell
* John P. Meier
* Bruce M. Metzger
* J.P. Moreland
* Ronald H. Nash
* Lee Strobel
* Merrill C. Tenney
* Ben Witherington
* Edwin Yamauchi
* And more!

http://forums.truthbeknown.com/viewtopic.php?t=1563

So by your standards she'd now be a full fledged Christian. Your fallacies as well as your dishonesty are clear for all to see.

[drakul]

drakul, you're not "concerned" so don't pretend to be - you've clearly laid-out your preconceieved conclusions claiming that Acharya is a member of the Freemason/ Illuminati. Which is totally false. You do this by claiming that since her books contain quotes from them that therefore she is one of them. You've never actually read her work you just pretend you have so that you can pretend to be an expert on her work - which you clearly know very little about.

So by your standards she'd now be a full fledged Christian. Your fallacies as well as your dishonesty are clear for all to see.

Dave is like a snarling little bulldog - `Grrrrr it's my bone - grrrr you haven't read Acharya's book - I don't give a damn how many passages you quote directly from The Christ Conspiracy - grrrrr - I don't care - you haven't read her work - grrrrr - I just keep repeating the same things over and over - grrrr - because I really can't think of any other defense - grrrr you haven't read Acharya's book'.

The problem is I HAVE read her book.

[drakul]

If Acharya has such a strong case that Jesus Christ never existed, why does she have to fall back on the words of famous Illuminatis like Albert Pike, Helen Blavatsky to prove it?

[optimus pigpot]

For someone who does not believe in the reality of Jesus, you spend an awful lot of time belittleing other's belief in Jesus.

Methinks you doth protest too much. What are you so afraid of?

Certainly not Jesus either, or the fear of cartoon hell, or the fear of salvation from a "god" that people pretend existed so that "it" preoccupies peoples minds so that they never question anything else and don't search for the truth!!!

And that is my point, that you think I protest too much!!! I honestly don't think I protest enough actually and it seems to me that little Hitlers want people to shut up so they can get their own way.

Not me... So I say screw the little Hitlers and there's more than a few here and I do wish to make clear I mean in NO way the admin. side but the people who post on here. On the plus side there are some really nice and free people here as well, which does not though, bring about balance. The world is still lop sided where peoples thoughts and imprisonment are concerned.

[dave31]

Actually, drakul you should check yourself. Speaking of a snarling little bulldog, it is you making all these claims that Acharya is a Freemason and involved in the Illuminati - a totally false accusation that you repeat over and over like "a snarling little bulldog" because she wrote a book about the conspiracy behind Christianity being created in part by those and other organizations.

However, you ignore not only the rest of what she brings to the table but her other sources as well. Such as:

"Now when the ancient Egyptians, awestruck and wondering, turned their eyes to the heavens, they concluded that two gods, the sun and the moon, were primeval and eternal; and they called the former Osiris, the latter Isis..."
~ Diodorus Siculus (90-21 BCE), Greek Historian,
* "Suns of God" 89

Early Church Father Tertullian (160-220 C.E.), an "ex-Pagan" and Presbyter of Carthage, ironically admits the true origins of the Christ story and of all other such godmen by stating in refutation of his critics, "You say we worship the sun; so do you."
(paraphrase from the Catholic Encyclopedia)
* "Christ Conspiracy" 158

"...All the gods of the Greek and Roman mythology represent the attributes of the one supreme divine power - the SUN."
~ Macrobius Roman scholar around 400ce
* "Suns of God" 67-68

[drakul]

Actually, drakul you should check yourself. Speaking of a snarling little bulldog, it is you making all these claims that Acharya is a Freemason and involved in the Illuminati - a totally false accusation that you repeat over and over like "a snarling little bulldog" because she wrote a book about the conspiracy behind Christianity being created in part by those and other organizations.

However, you ignore not only the rest of what she brings to the table but her other sources as well. Such as:


If Acharya has such a strong case against the existence of Jesus - Why does she need to use 195 cited references to the works of high level ILLUMINATI Freemasons in her book `Christ Conspiracy' to prove her case???

[sunyatta60]

BTW - for the web it's SITE not `sight'

LOL mate I sometimes get my homophones mixed up it comes with fighting dyslexia all my life. So David Icke like I had suspected has not changed his opinion regarding Christianity, rightly he points out that it is part of the Conspiracy and I have to agree with him on that. You ask why Acharay would quote Masons why would she not. Masons hijacked the Christian religion and used it to control the masses.

[jose]

"LATEST HEADLINES" Wednesday, 13 February 2008

Zeitgeist statement from David Icke

Zeitgeist

Just one other thing ... while I was away apparently there was a posting about the Zeitgeist documentary being debunked and discredited with regard to its assertions about the true background to Christianity. In response to a number of emails waiting for me on my return I just want to make it clear that I do not agree with that posted story and do not accept that Zeitgeist is incorrect about the origins of Christianity.

However, I do accept that there are many conspiracy researchers who come from a Christian perspective who would love to think it had been debunked. One day they might see that Christianity is part of the conspiracy, not the solution to it.

all the best,

David Icke

[drakul]

LOL mate I sometimes get my homophones mixed up it comes with fighting dyslexia all my life. So David Icke like I had suspected has not changed his opinion regarding Christianity, rightly he points out that it is part of the Conspiracy and I have to agree with him on that. You ask why Acharay would quote Masons why would she not. Masons hijacked the Christian religion and used it to control the masses.



If you READ their writings - Freemasons have been trying to undermine Christianity since the beginning. Check out Anacalypsis by Royal Arch Mason Godfrey Higgins written 1833. Acharya quotes this book MANY times in the Christ Conspiracy. It was Christians that forced the Illuminati `mystery religions' of blood sacrifice to go underground when blood sacrifice and the gladiatorial games were BANNED in 325AD. As David Icke points out and as the Freemasons claim - the Masons ARE the `mystery religions' (Illuminati).

[sunyatta60]

If you READ their writings - Freemasons have been trying to undermine Christianity since the beginning. Check out Anacalypsis by Royal Arch Mason Godfrey Higgins written 1833. Acharya quotes this book MANY times in the Christ Conspiracy. It was Christians that forced the Illuminati `mystery religions' of blood sacrifice to go underground when blood sacrifice and the gladiatorial games were BANNED in 325AD. As David Icke points out and as the Freemasons claim - the Masons ARE the `mystery religions' (Illuminati).

The Mason were responsible for Hijacking the religion that is now called Christianity. Thomas Paine a high ranking Mason told everyone both Masons and Christianity are One. That is why you have Xitian Fundies posting all over the Net about being washed in the blood of a man named Jesus who never existed in the first place. As for you claiming that the Gnostics were not murdered in great number you need to research a lot more I suggest you read The Dark Side of Christianity by Hellen Ellerbe.
Icke just made himself crystal clear on this subject he knows like I know that Christianity is part of the problem therefore it cannot be the solution to any problem.
What we have is madmen in control a Nazi Pope and a Nazi President both claiming to follow Christ whilst Bombing Muslims to death and wallowing in all that blood that seems to turn these Xitian nutcases on.

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His Name Was Jesus Christ

Born on December 25th

Born in Bethlehem

Lived in Nazareth

Joseph was a Carpenter

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Mary Was a Virgin

Jesus Was An Only Child

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Jesus Had a Small Following

Jesus' Family Was Not Supportive

Jesus' Family Was Poor

Jesus Had Long Hair and a Beard

Jesus Wasn't Married

Jesus Was Nailed to the Cross

Jesus Was Severely Beaten

Jesus Died in 30 A.D.

Jesus Was About 30 Years Old When He Died

The Gospels Were Written in the 1st Century

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Mary of Magdala

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The Magi Visit Jesus

Prince of Peace

http://www.jesuspolice.com/review_section.php?id=1

"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with the healing in his wings"
Yeshua The Gnostic Christ~Gospel of the Holy Twelve

[thirdwave]

I think its clear that the Freemasons have hi jacked it... and manipulate it... the question is, is how long have they don't that for...

Its clear it has been going on from pretty much the word go, and the real point of "Christianity" has never really been understood.

as for the Freemasons, in general they would rather we believed in Jesus as a man the bible says... and how many evil groups fear and hate him because he was good.... as for now? ... well they want a 1 world religion and we can see attacks from them on all religions at the moment.

but if anyone thinks they are only trying to expose Christianity and not other religions... they need to take a look around the world!

[drakul]

The Mason were responsible for Hijacking the religion that is now called Christianity. Thomas Paine a high ranking Mason told everyone both Masons and Christianity are One. That is why you have Xitian Fundies posting all over the Net about being washed in the blood of a man named Jesus who never existed in the first place. As for you claiming that the Gnostics were not murdered in great number you need to research a lot more I suggest you read The Dark Side of Christianity by Hellen Ellerbe.



http://www.jesuspolice.com/review_section.php?id=1

"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with the healing in his wings"
Yeshua The Gnostic Christ~Gospel of the Holy Twelve


ELLEN ELLERBE is NOT a PRIMARY SOURCE for the `Christian genocide of the Gnostics'. You need a contemporary historian for that.

As far as Freemasons hijacking Christianity - yes of course, but that doesn't mean the original teachings of Jesus are not still valid. They are.

As far as the `GNOSTIC JESUS' - that is another Masonic TRAP. The Masons claim to be Gnostics. However their form of Gnosticism worships LUCIFER. Read Supreme Commander Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma - that IS a primary source when it comes to Freemasonry.

BTW - the Bible does NOT claim Jesus was born on Dec. 25. It does not claim that 3 magi came to see the baby Jesus, it does not claim Jesus had long hair and a beard, etc.

And after 2,000 years - what do such details matter? What matters is the TEACHINGS of Jesus and the example he set in life.

[eternal_spirit]

“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.”
- Albert Pike “Morals and Dogma“ Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.

"Hate those that earn it, as you would love those that earn it, As Above, so below."
"When the world is viewed with no set reality, the lies of society are revealed and the bonds of slavery, broken."
- Rev. Michael S. Margolin

Welcome to The Sinagogue of Satan founded on 1-29-99. A religion based on the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry’s definition of Satanism, as described in Albert Pike’s work “Morals and Dogma“, from which the paragraph at the top of this page was taken. This religion is not based on those of the popular Satanists of our day, Hollywood or Christian propaganda, except for Aleister Crowley. His connection with the Freemasons and the fact we took our name from a short story in his book Konx om Pax, called “Thien Tao; or, The Synagogue of Satan.” Cannot be denied nor can we deny being a by-product of the Thelemic family.

http://www.sosatan.org/

[eternal_spirit]

Freemasonry: (http://whale.to/b/33.html) Freemasonry is a world-wide secret society masquerading as a benign fraternal brotherhood organized for the purpose of “doing good.” The lower level members believe that those belonging to the “craft” actually worship the God of the Bible. Only at the 33rd degree do the members learn that the “God” the Masons worship is Lucifer!
Masonic orders have contained the most influential men in many governments, and virtually every Occult order appears to have Masonic roots.
Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, Albert Pike, author of the classic treatise of the Masons, Morals and Dogma, has stated: “Masonry. . . conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, and uses false explanations (lies) and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead.”
“Yes, Lucifer is God. . . The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.” General Albert Pike, 33, Sovereign Grand Commander of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Free Masonry, USA
“One of the unheralded and least known facts about Freemasonry and the Masonic Lodge is its Jewish origins and nature. The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Kabala, an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite’s 33 ritual degree ceremonies.” Masonic Jews Plot to Control the World, Texe Marrs
Its Jewish origins and nature are further demonstrated by the following: 1) It uses only the Old Testament for saying oaths. Use of the New Testament is forbidden, and, 2) It prohibits the mention of the name of Jesus Christ within the lodge.
The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; “Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?”
The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.”
Freemasonry - the worship of Lucifer - will be the ultimate One World Religion soon imposed on the entire world by the One World Government.



http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

[sunyatta60]

ELLEN ELLERBE is NOT a PRIMARY SOURCE for the `Christian genocide of the Gnostics'. You need a contemporary historian for that.

As far as Freemasons hijacking Christianity - yes of course, but that doesn't mean the original teachings of Jesus are not still valid. They are.

As far as the `GNOSTIC JESUS' - that is another Masonic TRAP. The Masons claim to be Gnostics. However their form of Gnosticism worships LUCIFER. Read Supreme Commander Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma - that IS a primary source when it comes to Freemasonry.

BTW - the Bible does NOT claim Jesus was born on Dec. 25. It does not claim that 3 magi came to see the baby Jesus, it does not claim Jesus had long hair and a beard, etc.

And after 2,000 years - what do such details matter? What matters is the TEACHINGS of Jesus and the example he set in life.

Which you Xitian Fundies Cannot Follow because without knowing it you have made an Idol out of your deity.
If you read the book by Ellerbe she quotes Historians but you want to dismiss anything and everything that does not agree with your Confirmation biases it is obvious.
As for the masons being Gnostics that is complete crap it was the masons that took the Gnostic understanding of God and completely distorted the teachings which is why we have today Patriarchal theistic religions that are dominant with the intention of subjugating the human spirit. It is the reason they murdered Sophia in their twisted theology. You don't know what you are talking about Drakel and that comes from being badly read and badly educated, you need to adopt a more eclectic reading habit then one day you will develop the spiritual eyes and ears to see past the literal message of the bible. With that in mind I suggest the book A New Man by Maurice Nicol he will give you a tour of the bible taking time to explain the True meanings of the words and phrases. To take such literally means you starve your soul.

[drakul]

Which you Xitian Fundies Cannot Follow because without knowing it you have made an Idol out of your deity.
If you read the book by Ellerbe she quotes Historians but you want to dismiss anything and everything that does not agree with your Confirmation biases it is obvious.
As for the masons being Gnostics that is complete crap it was the masons that took the Gnostic understanding of God and completely distorted the teachings which is why we have today Patriarchal theistic religions that are dominant with the intention of subjugating the human spirit. It is the reason they murdered Sophia in their twisted theology. You don't know what you are talking about Drakel and that comes from being badly read and badly educated, you need to adopt a more eclectic reading habit then one day you will develop the spiritual eyes and ears to see past the literal message of the bible. With that in mind I suggest the book A New Man by Maurice Nicol he will give you a tour of the bible taking time to explain the True meanings of the words and phrases. To take such literally means you starve your soul.


1. Who says I take the Bible LITERALLY? IF you bothered to READ my posts you would know that's not true. The Bible has been written and rewritten for over 2,000 years. However the TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ are STILL WONDERFUL and stand up to any other religion. You are just jumping into your conveniently always at hand - `you're a xtian fuuunnnndddieeee!' mindbox.

2. The pure hippocracy of the anti-christian authors and posters is stunning. They constantly prat that `Christ never lived because contemporary historians didn't write about him AND the few that did - are all falsified.' Yet they can cast ANY aspersion against Christianity and you believe it as if it were gospel. I don't know what's in Ellerbe's book. I don't know the authenticity of her SOURCES. IF Ellen Ellerbe has PROOF from contemporary historians that Christians `genocided Gnostics' then QUOTE THOSE ANCIENT HISTORIANS - NOT ELLERBE. You can do it. It's not hard.

3. `The reason they murdered Sophia'???

4. How wonderful that you have such a fantastically superior education which has developed your `eyes to see and ears to hear' through `your more eclectic reading habits'. Apparently that helps the conditioning process to believe that Black really IS White - (Krishna was born on Dec. 25 of a virgin and was crucified) and White really IS Black - (Buddha was born on Dec. 25 of a virgin and was crucified) when your Masonic/Gnostic literature tells you to believe it. Kinda like what the definition of `is' IS.

[sunyatta60]

1. Who says I take the Bible LITERALLY? IF you bothered to READ my posts you would know that's not true. The Bible has been written and rewritten for over 2,000 years. However the TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ are STILL WONDERFUL and stand up to any other religion. You are just jumping into your conveniently always at hand - `you're a xtian fuuunnnndddieeee!' mindbox.

The biblical teachings of Jesus are nothing more than a Distortion of what Yeshua really taught. It is clear that those who set up Christianity did so with an agenda to spread the Roman empire and to subjugate the masses.

2. The pure hippocracy of the anti-christian authors and posters is stunning. They constantly prat that `Christ never lived because contemporary historians didn't write about him AND the few that did - are all falsified.' Yet they can cast ANY aspersion against Christianity and you believe it as if it were gospel.

You don't read to well so your spurious charge is nothing more than projection on your part. Christ is a state of Consciousness the biblical Jesus is a Roman concept hence myth.


I don't know what's in Ellerbe's book. I don't know the authenticity of her SOURCES. IF Ellen Ellerbe has PROOF from contemporary historians that Christians `genocided Gnostics' then QUOTE THOSE ANCIENT HISTORIANS - NOT ELLERBE. You can do it. It's not hard.

It is easier if you go and do the research yourself but here is just one instance. Pope Innocent the third chased some Gnostics into a French village there were only about 300 of them. He gave the order to murder 30,000 people, fellow Catholics that is one example and if you search for the evidence you will find it.

3. `The reason they murdered Sophia'???

Sophia is the Feminine aspect of God.

4. How wonderful that you have such a fantastically superior education which has developed your `eyes to see and ears to hear' through `your more eclectic reading habits'. Apparently that helps the conditioning process to believe that Black really IS White - (Krishna was born on Dec. 25 of a virgin and was crucified) and White really IS Black - (Buddha was born on Dec. 25 of a virgin and was crucified) when your Masonic/Gnostic literature tells you to believe it. Kinda like what the definition of `is' IS.

LOL there are Hindu's and Buddhist priest who have stated that Krishna and Buddha were born on the 25th I even posted a link to a programme fronted by Oxford Theologian Robert Beckford where he interviewed these priest and they stated it. You want to claim that this is all nonsense and part of a Masonic conspiracy. It may well be that Masons went underground in order to combat the evil that you call religion namely Christianity.

Is, that is e-prime, the verb 'to be' get reading, then you might come across half educated.

[drakul]

The biblical teachings of Jesus are nothing more than a Distortion of what Yeshua really taught. It is clear that those who set up Christianity did so with an agenda to spread the Roman empire and to subjugate the masses.


Yeshua? You are flailing at air. You are speaking of the Gnostic Yeshua? According to the Gnostics Yeshua never lived, so how could Jesus Christ be a `distortion of what Yeshua REALLY TAUGHT'?

FreeMasons claim to be Gnostics - IOW Christ never existed. Through their writings such as their bible - MORALS AND DOGMA, Freemasons have made no secret of their belief in LUCIFER.

If early Christians, such as Emperor Constantine, wanted to use Christianity to `SPREAD THE ROMAN EMPIRE' as you say - Why did he adopt a religion of peace to do it? Empires like Rome were spread by the sword. Ceasar killed ONE MILLION GAULS in 9 years to conquer them.

Why did Constantine ban all blood sacrifice including the gladiatorial games? These practices were the mainstay of the FEAR obeisance to the empire.

And IF Constantine wanted to use Christianity to `UNITE THE ROMAN EMPIRE' as you claim - Why did he move the capitol to Constantinople and leave Rome unprotected to be raped, pillaged and destroyed by the `barbarians'? Constantine HATED Rome and the Romans hated him. While Constantine was banning blood sacrifice and gladiatorial games from Constantinople in 325AD, the Romans were still doing it for many years afterward.

As for the example you give of Christians killing Gnostics in France - that was done by the Roman (pagan) VATICAN - some 1,000 years after Christ. It was not done by Constantine or early Christians. Never forget one thing - Vatican is a POLITICAL ENTITY. Vatican is an independent citystate with its own seat at the UN. Every country in the world is expected to sign a secret agreement with the Vatican called a CONCORDAT. Did you know that???

The ORIGINAL seat of Christianity in Constantinople/Istanbul still exists. It's called Eastern Orthodox Christianity and has over 170 million adherents making it the 2nd largest Christian denomination in the world. Orthodox Christianity has NO POPE and it does not evangelize - seek conversions.

As for Christianity `KILLING SOPHIA'/feminine aspect of GOD as you claim - The infinite feminine aspect (Mother Mary) is far from dead in Christianity. Have you ever heard of the HAGIA SOPHIA (Wisdom of Sophia) in Constantinople/Istanbul? The Hagia Sophia STILL STANDS - it was for over a thousand years the largest and most magnificent CHURCH in the world.

[sunyatta60]

Yeshua? You are flailing at air. You are speaking of the Gnostic Yeshua? According to the Gnostics Yeshua never lived, so how could Jesus Christ be a `distortion of what Yeshua REALLY TAUGHT'?

Easy, the True teaching which are Gnostic were distorted by those who created the Church and gave the world the bible. The Gnostics do not teach that Yeshua lived because everything down here on the material plane is illusion. Yeshu represents Christ the Consciousness of God.

FreeMasons claim to be Gnostics - IOW Christ never existed. Through their writings such as their bible - MORALS AND DOGMA, Freemasons have made no secret of their belief in LUCIFER.

How else would they discredit the Gnostics? The fact is the Mason's set up the Xitian religion and guess what they aimed at those people with the least intelligence.

If early Christians, such as Emperor Constantine, wanted to use Christianity to `SPREAD THE ROMAN EMPIRE' as you say - Why did he adopt a religion of peace to do it? Empires like Rome were spread by the sword. Ceasar killed ONE MILLION GAULS in 9 years to conquer them.

He did not adopt a religion of peace the Romans used their new religion to ruthelessly crush other opposition with the sword. People will fight all the harder if they think they are doing it for God.

Why did Constantine ban all blood sacrifice including the gladiatorial games? These practices were the mainstay of the FEAR obeisance to the empire.

Because I suppose he was more than happy with all the blood his new Satanic religion was about to spill over the next two thousand years.

And IF Constantine wanted to use Christianity to `UNITE THE ROMAN EMPIRE' as you claim - Why did he move the capitol to Constantinople and leave Rome unprotected to be raped, pillaged and destroyed by the `barbarians'? Constantine HATED Rome and the Romans hated him. While Constantine was banning blood sacrifice and gladiatorial games from Constantinople in 325AD, the Romans were still doing it for many years afterward.

Probably because he met with great opposition in Rome itself, no matter that he went elsewhere the Papacy is and has been firmly entrenched in Rome. You playing silly buggers with your attempts to disassociate is easily seen through as a ploy a smoke screen that Xitian fundies always deploy.

As for the example you give of Christians killing Gnostics in France - that was done by the Roman (pagan) VATICAN - some 1,000 years after Christ. It was not done by Constantine or early Christians. Never forget one thing - Vatican is a POLITICAL ENTITY. Vatican is an independent citystate with its own seat at the UN. Every country in the world is expected to sign a secret agreement with the Vatican called a CONCORDAT. Did you know that???

Yes, but it also represents Christianity did you know it was they who gave the world the Bible. In effect you have Satanist in control no wonder they love blood and blood sacrifices.

The ORIGINAL seat of Christianity in Constantinople/Istanbul still exists. It's called Eastern Orthodox Christianity and has over 170 million adherents making it the 2nd largest Christian denomination in the world. Orthodox Christianity has NO POPE and it does not evangelize - seek conversions.

I have been there but it is not the original seat of Christianity you are trying hard to put distance between you belief system and the Anti Christ church that is Rome. Catholics gave the world the Bible and Catholics are the original source for Christendom.

As for Christianity `KILLING SOPHIA'/feminine aspect of GOD as you claim - The infinite feminine aspect (Mother Mary) is far from dead in Christianity. Have you ever heard of the HAGIA SOPHIA (Wisdom of Sophia) in Constantinople/Istanbul? The Hagia Sophia STILL STANDS - it was for over a thousand years the largest and most magnificent CHURCH in the world.

They again distorted the Gnostic teachings about the Feminie aspect of God. They have tried various methods like suppresion and they have hidden it in their mythology the result is they downplayed the feminnie aspect of the divine and created a Patriarchal society which leads to War and Violence. You see it all goes back to this obsession with spilling blood. That blood is for your god Satan.

[drakul]

SUNYATTA - IF Rome is the seat of the original Christian church -

What language is the OLDEST BIBLE in the world written in? (Roman) Latin or Greek?

From what city was Christianity declared to be the official religion of the EMPIRE?

What ethnicity was Constantine the Great? Where was he born? From what city did he rule?

Where was the Nicene Creed created? Was it Rome?

Where were the first Bibles written to recognize a united Christian teaching as the official religion of the Empire? Was it Rome?

[amethyst]

SUNYATTA - IF Rome is the seat of the original Christian church - What language is the OLDEST BIBLE in the world written in? (Roman) Latin or Greek?From what city was Christianity declared to be the official religion of the EMPIRE?What ethnicity was Constantine the Great? Where was he born? From what city did he rule?Where was the Nicene Creed created? Was it Rome?Where were the first Bibles written to recognize a united Christian teaching as the official religion of the Empire? Was it Rome?What language is the OLDEST BIBLE in the world written in? (Roman) Latin or Greek?Wasn't the language that the oldest new testament written in Koni Greek?

[eternal_spirit]

Wasn't the language that the oldest new testament written in Koni Greek?

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It's all flippin greek too me:confused::eek::D

[amethyst]

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It's all flippin greek too me:confused::eek::D

Well from what I have studied, Koni Greek was the language of the average person in Judea- the language of "the average Joe"...which makes sense because that's who Jesus picked as His 12 disciples.... just your 'average Joe" type of guys. Like I mean, Peter was a fisherman, Matthew a tax collector etc. etc.

And these guys wrote the New testament. Totally unlike the Pharisees, the ruling religious "elite" of that time in Israel....the Pharisee's were the NWO/Illuminati of their day.They hated Jesus. Those guys didn't "get' Jesus, because He was probably too big of a threat to their status quo.

So when ya think of the Koni Greek, it is like the common man's language which is cool because that's who Jesus liked spending time with, I think.

Because the average guy "got" Him. ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Well from what I have studied, Koni Greek was the language of the average person in Judea- the language of "the average Joe"...which makes sense because that's who Jesus picked as His 12 disciples.... just your 'average Joe" type of guys. Like I mean, Peter was a fisherman, Matthew a tax collector etc. etc.

And these guys wrote the New testament. Totally unlike the Pharisees, the ruling religious "elite" of that time in Israel....the Pharisee's were the NWO/Illuminati of their day.They hated Jesus. Those guys didn't "get' Jesus, because He was probably too big of a threat to their status quo.

So when ya think of the Koni Greek, it is like the common man's language which is cool because that's who Jesus liked spending time with, I think.

Because the average guy "got" Him. ;)

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I see, guess the common people of the day would have been mostly illiterate, and wouldn't of been able to read the Pharisees scriptures., they's be preached at and told what to do. Jesus used the spoken word to converse with them.

He spoke the truth about the blood sacraficing Priesthood of the day. I've always viewed him as an early day human rights activist.

BTW I went to a Catholic School, ( No where not as bad as some would have you believe :rolleyes: )it was all good, nothing bad. We got along well with the Protestants and Methodists. Really there was no hate or animosity etc between us. Christianity in it's truest form makes for a good working community of people, whatever denomination it be.

The basics of Jesus's messages..... peace, love, equality, helping those in times of need, respect for elders etc etc. I mean compare that too say Muslims, Hindus, Jews and other religions, they are much more strict and have many disgusting customs, beliefs and practices which are forced upon them from a young age.

[amethyst]

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I see, guess the common people of the day would have been mostly illiterate, and wouldn't of been able to read the Pharisees scriptures., they's be preached at and told what to do. Jesus used the spoken word to converse with them.

He spoke the truth about the blood sacraficing Priesthood of the day. I've always viewed him as an early day human rights activist.

BTW I went to a Catholic School, ( No where not as bad as some would have you believe :rolleyes: )it was all good, nothing bad. We got along well with the Protestants and Methodists. Really there was no hate or animosity etc between us. Christianity in it's truest form makes for a good working community of people, whatever denomination it be.

The basics of Jesus's messages..... peace, love, equality, helping those in times of need, respect for elders etc etc. I mean compare that too say Muslims, Hindus, Jews and other religions, they are much more strict and have many disgusting customs, beliefs and practices which are forced upon them from a young age.

I have plenty of friends who are Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, New Age green, black, blue etc. etc. ;)The problem is not with people themselves.....people are people, ya know?

It's the system of religion or religiosity that is just wrong IMO, because it lies .....to the people....and controls them......and we were born .......to be FREE...."and the truth shall set you free" -borrowing from Icke, who borrowed it from Jesus ;)

[drakul]

Wasn't the language that the oldest new testament written in Koni Greek?


That's right - the oldest Bible in the world - The Codex Sinaiticus, from 300AD - was written in GREEK and was found in the Eastern Orthodox Monastary (the OLDEST monastary in the world) on Mt Sinai, Egypt.

[armoured_amazon]

No. Everyone is so far off the mark that it would take a lifetime to even explain it. But it's entertaining, so please continue.

[optimus pigpot]

No. Everyone is so far off the mark that it would take a lifetime to even explain it. But it's entertaining, so please continue.

You all think you know it because without it your lives are worthless carry on fighting amongst yourselves for "YOUR PLACE" by "YOUR GOD", I am out of here for a while becasue I have far more better work to do than listen to a load of bigotted tossers fighting for a place in "heaven" that doesn't exist.

I WILL BE BACK.. If the post or thread needs debunking.......

[marpat]

You all think you know it because without it your lives are worthless carry on fighting amongst yourselves for "YOUR PLACE" by "YOUR GOD", I am out of here for a while becasue I have far more better work to do than listen to a load of bigotted tossers fighting for a place in "heaven" that doesn't exist.

I WILL BE BACK.. If the post or thread needs debunking.......

Don't worry optimus. Let them have their place in heaven. Even Jesus said heaven will pass away so they will be screwed then anyway.

[marpat]

`More than 1 God Man came to show the way?` I have no problem with that. It's only logical. Unfortunately some (ignorant, brainwashed) Christians believe that dogma. But I don't think the majority do at all.

It's pretty clear that the `Roman' Church did NOT `give the world Jesus Christ', although the VATICAN would love you to believe their propaganda.

Emperor Constantine was NOT of Roman blood and he did not rule from Rome. Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman EMPIRE in 325AD from his CAPITOL, GREEK-speaking Constantinople. This was in fact the victory of Greek culture and spirituality over the DEGENERATE Romans. Even then the Romans continued their blood sacrifices and gladiatorial games until the 5th centure.

What is the oldest Bible in the world?

Codex Sinaiticus written in GREEK (NOT Latin).

Good work there. Makes you wonder though, if christ wanted to pass spiritual teachings to others then why did he not write them down as well? he was obviously an educated person. He could have made a fortune out of paperback sales and helped the poor. Also, can you imaging the value of a signed copy :D
It does seem that Constantine did use this new religion to unify a society that was beginning to crumble and lose power. Funny how he never converted until he was dying.

[synergy777]

i say there is one creator, one creator who caused the big bang, formation of the cosmos, people, animals, spirit/soul etc.

some call him brahma, yahweh, allah, the source, most high, father/mother etc.

these are all names for the same thing.

does he/she offer us guidance yes, compassionate living is the message.

those who follow the many religions of earth but do not engage in compassionate living are wrong, its them who are wrong not the message/guidelines.

the organised religions trap us in the fear/guilt matrix in order to control us and disconnect us from the source and eachother/nature.

thus we never see the source/most high clearly and then when we find out the corruption/lies of organised religion/clergy/elite, we reject all teachings, this is an error.

i am not perfect, i sin, i do wrong.

i wish i was connected to the source, i wish was guided/helped but alas i am not.

is life a punishment for past wrongs, karma being played out, its seems like it, but thats my responsibility/faults/mistakes/sins, not the creators/source fault.

do i hate the source, no, am i angered by his rejection, yes.

do i feel a breach of trust, yes i do.

however just because the source treats me and others this way, does that mean the source is wrong and i am right , no it does not.

irrespective of my life/treatment, i still believe there is a positive, loving, compassionate, merciful, empowering source/god/creator.

[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=drakul;276341]SUNYATTA - IF Rome is the seat of the original Christian church -

What language is the OLDEST BIBLE in the world written in? (Roman) Latin or Greek?


How and why does that matter? The world believes that Rome is the seat of Christianity go and check out the Catholic encyclopedia it is on line and they claim they gave the world the Bible. No doubt about it the original teachings of the Jewish Rabbi that the world now knows and calls by his Latin Title Jesus Christ was usurped by the Romans. Constantine was a Roman emeprour not a Turkish one. He adopted the Christian religion for the glory of Rome no one else. Your strawman is not even hard to demolish. And the real point is do you in all honesty believe that what the Jewish Rabbi taught is today being respected, and taught in Christendom. If you do then you are delusional locked into your mind controlled prison.

[unclassifiable]

If you READ their writings - Freemasons have been trying to undermine Christianity since the beginning. Check out Anacalypsis by Royal Arch Mason Godfrey Higgins written 1833. Acharya quotes this book MANY times in the Christ Conspiracy. It was Christians that forced the Illuminati `mystery religions' of blood sacrifice to go underground when blood sacrifice and the gladiatorial games were BANNED in 325AD. As David Icke points out and as the Freemasons claim - the Masons ARE the `mystery religions' (Illuminati).

I have had "Anacalypsis: An Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religons" for decades. It is a terrific source of information on these questions discussed at the time. I would highly recommend anyone obtain and read the two volumes. As for Freemasonry, it was a builder's guild of stone-masons before it got taken over by Christianity and the other "mystery-schools". It had nothing to do originally with "speculative Freemasonry", which is what you are seeing now and it's age is exagerrated to fit the Temple of Solomon myth.

Essentially, Speculative Freemasonry is the creation of /and umbrella group for Jews (as is Christianity, Mohammedism, Mormonism etc.) to pit gullible gentiles against each other with the many fractious frauds the most SECRET and EXCLUSIVE of all groups has diffused around the world. The core elite of Jewry and crypto-jewry ARE the "mystery schools". Divide and Rule. When Adam Weishaupt, the "former" Jewish-Jesuit (same thing....Jesuits were founded by a Sephardic Jew named Loyola who had cavorted with the Sephardic sect the heretic "Alumbrados", which means the same as "Illuminati") formed his "Iluminated", one of the first targets was to re-infiltrate and re-infuse Freemasony, which had been docile.

The B'nai B'rith is an exclusive chapter of Grand Orient Freemasonry for Jews only, while the other lodges accept any and all of any religon--which is odd since the symbology and thrust of it are based on the literalist fraud of the "Jew's" Torah..ie. the Temple of Solomon etc. Likewise, Christianity is a fraudulent creation serving only "Jewish" interests---else why would anyone take as literal history and religious worship the nonsense of a tiny tribe and puny provincials of the Roman Empire to their own hearts in believing the fraudulent tale of Jesus as the fulfilment of a fraudulent messianic scripture of a foreign people of dubious origin? It is because Christianity was a factional creation of "Jewish Elites" having great influence with the various dominant nations of the time (Persian, Greek, Greco/Eygptian and Roman) using the same wiles they do today with modern nations.

[lenejento]

:rolleyes:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5377365965888346869

[revolutionary_jam]

how can you say christians have "invaded" the site???

as far as I am concerned all are welcome here, as long as they can handle having their beliefs disputed and disagreed with, christians are no exception

[drakul]

how can you say christians have "invaded" the site???

as far as I am concerned all are welcome here, as long as they can handle having their beliefs disputed and disagreed with, christians are no exception


Sunyatta seems to think only his views should be heard here. Which means any lying drivel can be taken as truth without a shred of proof. Example the threads filled with garBAGE claiming that people with RH Negative bloodtype are descended from REPTILIAN bloodlines! etc etc

[paganus]

Good work there. Makes you wonder though, if christ wanted to pass spiritual teachings to others then why did he not write them down as well? he was obviously an educated person. He could have made a fortune out of paperback sales and helped the poor. Also, can you imaging the value of a signed copy :D
It does seem that Constantine did use this new religion to unify a society that was beginning to crumble and lose power. Funny how he never converted until he was dying.actually,he never converted at all.he ws given a Pagan funeral as was his wish.

[armoured_amazon]

*invades all over the place*

[paganus]

*invades all over the place*:D

[armoured_amazon]

:D

[drakul]

actually,he never converted at all.he ws given a Pagan funeral as was his wish.

Please supply evidence.

[paganus]

Please supply evidence.do your own research!

[thirdwave]

as long as they can handle having their beliefs disputed and disagreed with

well this is the thing....

I welcome all here, but I have no intention of editing my self to suit other peoples faiths.... Religion means nothing to me, if people want it then fine but I am not going to conform to it....

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I have read that the Emperor Constantine has been the ONLY human in History, to be: Worshipped as a Pagan God, and Venerated as a Christian Saint.



Hmmmmm........




Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[armoured_amazon]

Saint schmaint lol.

What's all this saint stuff anyway? I want to poke my eyes out when Catholic cousins (in faith) say things like "I pray to St Blah blah" or talk about the Pope as "Holy Father". Goes against everything in Scripture.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Saint schmaint lol.

What's all this saint stuff anyway? I want to poke my eyes out when Catholic cousins (in faith) say things like "I pray to St Blah blah" or talk about the Pope as "Holy Father". Goes against everything in Scripture.


I 'SEE' the Day, when ALL HUMANS live in Peace & Harmony.


:)



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[armoured_amazon]

I 'SEE' the Day, when ALL HUMANS live in Peace & Harmony.


:)



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

I await the return of my King and hope as many people as possible get to be blessed. But I worry for those who are in faith yet not in faith far more than I worry for those who do not believe. :)

[the spackler]

You all think you know it because without it your lives are worthless carry on fighting amongst yourselves for "YOUR PLACE" by "YOUR GOD", I am out of here for a while becasue I have far more better work to do than listen to a load of bigotted tossers fighting for a place in "heaven" that doesn't exist.

I WILL BE BACK.. If the post or thread needs debunking.......

ME TOO!!!!

:D

[the spackler]

EVEN DAVID ICKE may be questioning Acharya's veracity as a `scholar' -

Go to HEADLINES - this site -

Wednesday, 06 February 2008
Zeitgeist The Movie Lies Exposed

This suspected propaganda film contains over 50 factual errors and has been thoroughly debunked.

Read more

http://www.infowarsforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2952

I LOVE HOW THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ARTICLE FROM INFOWARS WHEN IT'S JUST A LINK TO THE INFOWARS MESSAGE BOARD.:D

[jamston]

3 things

as an ex catholic i really enjoy watching anyone who still has imaginary friends trying to defend them :)

Heres a good piece i stumbledupon, some of it refutes what archaya is saying, some of it sort of backs it up, but the conclusion is pretty much the same.... he didnt exist, get over it

http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/did-jesus-really-exist

the other thing

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y233/jimihedrex/1182333474128ri0.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

Praying for you.

[jamston]

er thanks for the sentiment .... or something

:confused:

[optimus pigpot]

Praying for you.

Don't bother, someone wiping there arse is more use than prayer.

[jamston]

I was going to say dont bother, but ya know, live and let live ..... with a bit of good natured ribbing :P

[armoured_amazon]

er thanks for the sentiment .... or something

:confused:

I only have good intentions. You just seem really angry at God. Whereas people who fall away from Him because they don't think He exists don't have to lash out. Not as angry as that crazy dude above me, mind.

eta: In a completely different context, we call it decorum.

[jamston]

I only have good intentions. You just seem really angry at God. Whereas people who fall away from Him because they don't think He exists don't have to lash out. Not as angry as that crazy dude above me, mind.

eta: In a completely different context, we call it decorum.

Hahahahahahahaaaaa youre calling me on decorum?

Im not angry, you can try and force that old bullshit stereotypical view about atheists onto me. You know shit about my spirituality, all you know is im an ex catholic. I'm not angry at much at all, especially at something i dont believe exists, thats clearly ludicrous.

Good intentions are lovely and all and i appreciate any nice sentiments and energy in my direction. But i dont think you need to believe the whole christian fairytale to send good vibes out to someone. I would refer to the millions of other threads on the site regarding how truthseekers will always be blinded by thier beliefs, to quote mr old ickey boy himself, 'i'd rather have a mind opened by wonder, than one closed by belief'

[dane]

Jamston

Sadly You Seem To Be A Clear And Perfect Result Of A Catholic.
Referring To A Hidden Angst Towards Christ or Christ Conciousness? Due To Your Present Brainwashing Exploitations By The Good Church.. Your Picture Is A Joke Right? A Roughly Intelligent Man Can Comprehend Bible Lingo.It Is (Your Pic) Tangling It All Up Into A Literal Text And Labelled Christianity, I Dont Agree With Being A Christian But I Understand What It's Saying, Dont You? Whether You Agree Or Not? I'm Not Christian But I Love What Christ Supposedly Stood For, Parables And Such, Minus The Possibly Added Lies On Him.( No Brothers, Mary Magdalene Relationship Etc)

If You Dont Believe In Jesus Do You Believe In What Someone Who Did'nt Exist Said?

A Non Existing Man's Teachings, Do You Believe In Them Or Agree With Them?
At All??

P.S I thought the pic was naive-ly funny :P

[jamston]

Jamston

Sadly You Seem To Be A Clear And Perfect Result Of A Catholic.


..... of a catholic ......?


Referring To A Hidden Angst Towards Christ or Christ Conciousness? Due To Your Present Brainwashing Exploitations By The Good Church..


I dont quite get what youre saying. I think youre saying I have hidden angst towards christianity or the alledged christ. I Realised the whole thing was made up hocum when i was about 11 or 12, long before i looked into any conspiracy stuff, it wasnt a realisation it was all a conspiracy, that wasnt my issue, it just seemed silly made up nonsense and a waste of time, although a school mass was a fantastic excuse to not have lessons and to sit about trying to fart and make your mates laugh, while trying to not laugh, ahh those were the days.

As for brainwashing, yes of course there was some at some point, i was fed the catholic line from a very early age, to be fair to my mother though, she was very cool and open and accomodating when i did finally outgrow it. Shes wasnt a particularly strict catholic, all she did was make us go to church, most sundays, my little brothers have felt the benefit of my rejection of it, because they rarely get forced into going. We still have good debates although she claims im brainwashed by what i read and i claim shes brainwashed by what she reads. Explain then how im being exploited and brainwashed by the church still.


Your Picture Is A Joke Right? A Roughly Intelligent Man Can Comprehend Bible Lingo.It Is (Your Pic) Tangling It All Up Into A Literal Text And Labelled Christianity, I Dont Agree With Being A Christian But I Understand What It's Saying, Dont You? Whether You Agree Or Not? I'm Not Christian But I Love What Christ Supposedly Stood For, Parables And Such, Minus The Possibly Added Lies On Him.( No Brothers, Mary Magdalene Relationship Etc)


Of course the pic is a supposed to be humourous, an over simplification to prove a point though. Because that is the basic jist of christianity is it not? Course i can see how some religious ideals are good ways to live, do unto others as you wish to be done. (the teachings of brian of nazereth are coming to mind for some reason) But it also says an eye for an eye, one of the many hipocrisies even a 12 year old boy can see through. I don't regret my catholic education, it was in a fairly small school, 500 students and there was a real caring community and of course some of the values ive learnt are worth hanging onto. I was just thankful i had my nose set to bullshit sniffing mode.

At some point though i was the archetypal rebellious teen, very very anti christian, long haired, into 'satanic rock'. But i grew out of that and didnt go back to any religion when reached adulthood. I didnt give it much thought at all till around 9/11 when my nose started twitching again and i finally got round to reading some icke and other researchers work on 9/11, then it all dropped into place.


If You Dont Believe In Jesus Do You Believe In What Someone Who Did'nt Exist Said?

A Non Existing Man's Teachings, Do You Believe In Them Or Agree With Them?
At All??

P.S I thought the pic was naive-ly funny :P

What do you mean, do i believe in what someone who didnt exist said, they were written by someone who did exist. Who, i doubt we'll ever know. I believe some of the techings attributed to a non exsistant man, teachings that are found in all religions, are decent moral values, but you dont need a hokey old load of superstition to know them and follow them, you just need to be a nice considerate human and id like to think i would still have ended up as one with or without the catholic upbringing.

[armoured_amazon]

I Realised the whole thing was made up hocum when i was about 11 or 12

Actually, you realised you were following a false religion. God is above that. And if your mother is with God she ought to be fighting for you (which she probably is and you just don't know it). I pray that you have a personal REAL experience with Jesus and THEN you will 'realise'.

[jamston]

Actually, you realised you were following a false religion. God is above that. And if your mother is with God she ought to be fighting for you (which she probably is and you just don't know it). I pray that you have a personal REAL experience with Jesus and THEN you will 'realise'.

Actually.... i realised the whole thing was hocum thanks :) jesus krishna, yahweh et al

A real experience with a provably faked character? ....... yaaawn

Where's this 'ton of proof' you spoke of yesterday before you resorted to homophobic taunts?

[armoured_amazon]

Actually.... i realised the whole thing was hocum thanks :) jesus krishna, yahweh et al

A real experience with a provably faked character? ....... yaaawn

Where's this 'ton of proof' you spoke of yesterday before you resorted to homophobic taunts?

Homophobic taunts? I don't think so. :confused:

[jamston]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20112&page=7

Post 67 i believe

[eternal_spirit]

I dont see why many here have a problem with Christians, anyway I'll be too busy bashing satanists and anti-christs aren't they the enemy?

[eternal_spirit]

I have said this and I'll say it again, I shouldn't get involved in religious debates cya

[armoured_amazon]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20112&page=7

Post 67 i believe

Well I can only apologise as I can see that would be interpreted as gaybashing and that was not my intention. What other word should have sprung to mind when I noticed both of you trolling my posts in multiple threads? Conjoined twins? F*** buddies? The same forum user with two IDs? :rolleyes:

I have said this and I'll say it again, I shouldn't get involved in religious debates cya


So right.

*leaves the angry little boy to be angry at God*

[jamston]

I have said this and I'll say it again, I shouldn't get involved in religious debates cya

I know, i should do the same, its one of the main reasons i left a previous icke forum, but here i am again and im just too bloody stubborn. I do try to keep it light and civil though

[armoured_amazon]

Of course you do. :rolleyes:

There are lots of mature people here with contrasting views to mine who don't feel the need to post insulting, unnecessary images.

[jamston]

Well I can only apologise as I can see that would be interpreted as gaybashing and that was not my intention. What other word should have sprung to mind when I noticed both of you trolling my posts in multiple threads? Conjoined twins? F*** buddies? The same forum user with two IDs? :rolleyes:

Apology accepted, it is telling though, youve still not provided the proof and again youve thrown another assertion out there. Oh btw, just one account, im not into all that silly game playing, check with any mod/admin if you so wish



*leaves the angry little boy to be angry at God*

Another insult, well arent we a clever little christian. You should see the grin on my face when im replying to these threads, i'm generally a very calm fellow (except when watching tv or in the passenger seat of a car for some reason) angry little boy im not, im almost 30 and ive been far from childish here, well maybe the 'motivational' pic was a bit cheeky. But if anyone looks childish here, its clearly you dear.

Again, how can i be angry at something i dont believe exists, its so ludicrous.

[armoured_amazon]

Again, how can i be angry at something i dont believe exists, its so ludicrous.

Exactly my point.

And as for your evidence:

1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
Matt.6

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."
Matt.7

I think this applies to 'proving' God to other people. I have to be accountable to God, not you or anyone else on the infranetz.

[jamston]

Exactly my point.

And as for your evidence:

1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."
Matt.6

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."
Matt.7

I think this applies to 'proving' God to other people. I have to be accountable to God, not you or anyone else on the infranetz.

Maybe i misunderstood but i thought you meant you had tons of proof of the existence of an actual jesus. But if youre going to get proof of god or jesus' existence from the bible then that is where i bow out

[armoured_amazon]

Maybe i misunderstood but i thought you meant you had tons of proof of the existence of an actual jesus. But if youre going to get proof of god or jesus' existence from the bible then that is where i bow out

You should bow out anyway as I'm not going to share it with you. People who are genuinely seeking to know, I share with IF God tells me it's right. But it's not right to share with you as you are still consumed with self.

[grover66]

I know I asked you a few weeks back, AA, and I don't think you ever got around to answering me ... but when you talk about being saved by the Holy Spirit, etc, do you mean that you were "born again" ... as in, saved in a church, accepted Jesus as your lord and saviour, etc? Just out of curiosity ...

[armoured_amazon]

I know I asked you a few weeks back, AA, and I don't think you ever got around to answering me ... but when you talk about being saved by the Holy Spirit, etc, do you mean that you were "born again" ... as in, saved in a church, accepted Jesus as your lord and saviour, etc? Just out of curiosity ...

The first couple of times I experienced God in Spirit form was just at home. It was like standing inside a tornado or being tiny in front of an eagle as it stretched it's wings back and forth. I entered a church much later on (and tried a few till I found one I was comfortable with. I got baptised recently, just to obey instruction in Scripture but I accepted Jesus as the only true way to God about a week after my first Spirit encounter and a couple of visions (took me a week to process them lol)

[grover66]

The first couple of times I experienced God in Spirit form was just at home. It was like standing inside a tornado or being tiny in front of an eagle as it stretched it's wings back and forth. I entered a church much later on (and tried a few till I found one I was comfortable with. I got baptised recently, just to obey instruction in Scripture but I accepted Jesus as the only true way to God about a week after my first Spirit encounter and a couple of visions (took me a week to process them lol)

I find this comment by you then at odds with what you've posted there:

You should bow out anyway as I'm not going to share it with you. People who are genuinely seeking to know, I share with IF God tells me it's right. But it's not right to share with you as you are still consumed with self.

In my experience with born again Christians, and I've had a lot, they'll go all out to try and preach the message of Jesus and how you have to accept Jesus into your heart to be saved and get into Heaven, no matter who you are or what your current views about Jesus are. In my experience too born agains usually refer to Jesus or Lord, not simply "God" or "my God".

I've had debates with born again Christians along the lines of, "But how can so many Buddhists, Muslims, etc, be wrong? And how about all the people that died before Jesus came down to Earth?" They've usually replied along the lines of, "Grover, I really sense that the Lord has his hand on your heart and is trying to show you the way. Just come along to church with me and you'll be moved by the Spirit", etc. In my experience, Christians will stop at nothing ... and I mean nothing (yawn) ... to try and get you to see things their way so you too can be "saved", as that's their mission: get the whole world believing in Jesus so we can all enter the gates of Heaven and be seated at His right hand.

:) I guess I just find your attitude toward it all curious for a born again.

[lenejento]

I agree, I had to drop out of the first conspiracy forum I joined because there was just to many christians there always trying to convert me, getting angry at me, calling me a satanist because I was talking about universial love.

To me it seems like there are more non christians than christians that live by the word of Jesus, and "live and let live", they live by "live and let's convert or fight" instead. There are nice christians though that live and let live, the true christians imv. There are many quotes from Jesus in Tolles' books and many other teachers books, but you can see how a christian reacted to Tolles book iin the vid I posted earlier.

It seems like many christians have these paranormal experiences that make them into christians which I am suspicious about. I am not expecting anyone to believe me here but I'll share what I think it might be. There is in my experience an astral realm with entities that feed on human energy, and religion helps them very much in this feeding, I have read about them manipulating people into having experiences or "revelations" of some God outside of themselves to make them religious. This is the clue, as soon as a human thinks God is outside themselves and think they have had some personal experience with God, and they think they are on the side of God, (God is not dual), there will be alot of trouble, fighting and negative energy in their life and all the "non-believers" they come in touch with, and which many of them actively seek out.

[armoured_amazon]

I find this comment by you then at odds with what you've posted there:



In my experience with born again Christians, and I've had a lot, they'll go all out to try and preach the message of Jesus and how you have to accept Jesus into your heart to be saved and get into Heaven, no matter who you are or what your current views about Jesus are. In my experience too born agains usually refer to Jesus or Lord, not simply "God" or "my God".

Just because they do that doesn't mean everyone does. We are NOT called to preach to everyone - newborns do it because they are filled with excitement and joy - I did it too. Then as I started maturing and learning more, I learned that we are prompted by the Spirit to minister to those whose hearts are asking, not just anyone. There is a right time and a right place and a right person for every opportunity to evangelise. If I share the gospel with someone who is not ready to hear it, I could be condemning them to never being open to hear about salvation through Jesus. If I go only where I am sent, someone else may be sent to minister to that person at a different time.

He said to the apostles, "When you travel, don't take a walking stick. Also, don't carry a bag, food, or money. Take for your trip only the clothes you are wearing. When you go into a house, stay there until it is time to leave. If the people in the town will not welcome you, go outside the town and shake their dust off of your feet. This will be a warning to them."

Also, our spiritual fruits and gifts develop at different rates. One person may be called to preach, another to heal, another to worship etc. The vine has many branches.

I've had debates with born again Christians along the lines of, "But how can so many Buddhists, Muslims, etc, be wrong? And how about all the people that died before Jesus came down to Earth?" They've usually replied along the lines of, "Grover, I really sense that the Lord has his hand on your heart and is trying to show you the way. Just come along to church with me and you'll be moved by the Spirit", etc. In my experience, Christians will stop at nothing ... and I mean nothing (yawn) ... to try and get you to see things their way so you too can be "saved", as that's their mission: get the whole world believing in Jesus so we can all enter the gates of Heaven and be seated at His right hand.

:) I really sense that the... ahahaha sorry, couldn't resist. :D

If you knew me better, you'd know I am stubborn, strong-willed, a drama queen and demand answers YESTERDAY. You couldn't have got me into a church by brute force. What used to drive me mad was when I asked Christians questions, instead of just answering me what I had asked, they too would say "Come to church with us." I am not a joiner, I'm solitary by nature, to an extent and back then I was even more so, but partly due to experiencing the worst of people for a several year period. And whatever answer I got, I would always find some way to debunk it. The sheer power of God's hand on me was unlike any other supernatural experiences I've had throughout my life and it was enough to make me explore further. Eventually, I had to hold my hands up and say: "Okay, God. I don't get it but I'm willing to submit to your will even though I don't fully understand how everything slots into place." (and I am NOT a submissive personality!) Once I did that, more things began to be revealed to me. Of course I will never have the answers to everything because much is outside of my comprehension as a human, and as several people have mentioned in another thread, absolute power cannot be good or feasible. Many of the gifts the Holy Spirit has bestowed on me, I was using several years ago...stuff such as healing by touch, laying on of hands, discernment of spirits (or as I called it, psychic ability, communication, foreknowledge etc), spiritual cleansing yada yada. All the things I was doing were not gifts of God but gifts of the enemy. The way to discern where a gift is from is to ask yourself where is it coming from? Who is getting the glory? Whose power is it that I am guiding? So I chose not to actively use any of them any more. There are instances when God will say to use something, there are instances when He will expressly say NO. We always get answers; sometimes we don't like them. But the power of the Lord far outweighs any minor 'deities' I've had dalliances with.

The people you've met: their way may not be your way - the connection is Jesus but I'm sure the Jesus I see and hear is different to the one another person at my church has a relationship with. Reminds me of a friend who had a vision in a Catholic church of God dancing in the aisles like a big lion :D He asked Him why there was no joy there and God said they were just tired Christians but precious all the same. Even though the Vatican is completely corrupt there are still decent, good people in the pews.

But what you have to understand about when Christians evangelise is, if you know how wonderful something is, don't you want others to share it? If your whole family/community had a terminal illness and you had the cure, wouldn't you want them to take it to experience full health? Also, if you are 100% convinced your God is real and He COMMANDS you to spread the Word, it is not a choice, it is an ORDER. Should I be punished for someone else's sins because even though I had lived my life in the best possible way, treating others well, blah blah, I refused to do what God explicitly tells us to do? So you can see, it's not just about the 'unsaved'. Our lives in God's hand depend on being obedient; if we cherrypick, we are not living in accordance with his commands.. But the ways of sharing Jesus are not as clear cut as they appear. Even a person who wants to come to church just to see what it's like (for example, we have a gospel choir so I get asked a lot about what our place is like) or a person who is already attending may not be fully ready to receive. I sat in churches for years as a kid. Looking back I think I knew God existed but I was so enraged that people wouldn't answer my questions (priests, family) that I declared the whole organised church a farce and went off to find my own spiritual path.

:) I guess I just find your attitude toward it all curious for a born again.

Even if I were a pagan you'd find me curious. Performers are nutty. I guess how we express ourselves depends on how we got here, where we were beforehand and how our life has moulded us. :p

[grover66]

Just because they do that doesn't mean everyone does. We are NOT called to preach to everyone - newborns do it because they are filled with excitement and joy - I did it too. Then as I started maturing and learning more, I learned that we are prompted by the Spirit to minister to those whose hearts are asking, not just anyone.


Mmm, that's why the born again churches send missionaries out all over the world to trample all over cultures whose hearts aren't asking. What you've said there isn't true, but I'm going to leave it there. Thanks for taking the time to answer :)

[armoured_amazon]

Mmm, that's why the born again churches send missionaries out all over the world to trample all over cultures whose hearts aren't asking. What you've said there isn't true, but I'm going to leave it there. Thanks for taking the time to answer :)

They don't minister to every single person in those cultures. If there is one person in a distant place, God will reach them. You already formed your own concrete belief so you shouldn't ask what you are unable to hear. ;)

[eternal_spirit]

I agree, I had to drop out of the first conspiracy forum I joined because there was just to many christians there always trying to convert me, getting angry at me, calling me a satanist because I was talking about universial love.

To me it seems like there are more non christians than christians that live by the word of Jesus, and "live and let live", they live by "live and let's convert or fight" instead. There are nice christians though that live and let live, the true christians imv. There are many quotes from Jesus in Tolles' books and many other teachers books, but you can see how a christian reacted to Tolles book iin the vid I posted earlier.

It seems like many christians have these paranormal experiences that make them into christians which I am suspicious about. I am not expecting anyone to believe me here but I'll share what I think it might be. There is in my experience an astral realm with entities that feed on human energy, and religion helps them very much in this feeding, I have read about them manipulating people into having experiences or "revelations" of some God outside of themselves to make them religious. This is the clue, as soon as a human thinks God is outside themselves and think they have had some personal experience with God, and they think they are on the side of God, (God is not dual), there will be alot of trouble, fighting and energy in their life and all the "non-believers" they come in touch with, and which many of them actively seek out.

.................................................. .................

Same could be said for the New Age and occult stuff, your either with us or against us mentality.
If you don't buy what they say and do, then you get called narrow minded, stuck in a 5 sense reality spiel add infinitum, not intelligent enough, not close enough to God etc etc :rolleyes:

Never see most of the one's who don't agree with Christianity, disagreeing with Satanists, mind control, brainwashing or exposing occult groups:confused:
I have to do this alone most of the time, while the one's I'm debating are trying to tell me satanism is good etc I mean wtf?

Then I get called a Fundamental Christian bigot
and I'm not even religious! For what exposing Satanism etc. For knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Tolle doesn't tell you anything of any practical use and his story about his so called "spiritual awakening", is faker than a man in drag wearing a blonde wig LOL. Guys like him are there to stop you from being productive, see too many of you here really cannot see and grasp the bigger picture of the New Age CON. It's promoted by TPTB, it's everywhere... why else would it be promoted into the mainstream? It's mostly superstition none reality and is designed to keep you in another type of mental prison, not too set you free, it's the opposite of what you're led to believe. A product of the High Priesthoods who have used the same methods as mind control is now wearing a different suit/dress "New Age", "Gurus", teachers etc.:eek:

The most difficult thing for anyone too do is be themselves and follow their own mind, intuition and be a true individual free thinker, and that's the only truth for me, I've tried everything and done many things been round the block a few times yaa dee yaa de yah. But, hey everyone has their own path to follow and will try different avenues what ever religion or what ever else they choose along the way.

Just trying to show that there's more ways of looking at things and there's more going on behind the scenes than most of you realize, and not doing too well at explaining at the mo lol.

peace :)

[lenejento]

.................................................. .................

Same could be said for the New Age and occult stuff, your either with us or against us mentality.
If you don't buy what they say and do, then you get called narrow minded, stuck in a 5 sense reality spiel add infinitum, not intelligent enough, not close enough to God etc etc :rolleyes:
I agree :)

Never see most of the one's who don't agree with Christianity, disagreeing with Satanists, mind control, brainwashing or exposing occult groups:confused:
I have to do this alone most of the time, while the one's I'm debating are trying to tell me satanism is good etc I mean wtf?

Then I get called a Fundamental Christian bigot
and I'm not even religious! For what exposing Satanism etc. For knowing the difference between right and wrong.
Well, it's good to expose belief systems imv. I think there may well be a very negative entity that one could call lucifer, so true satanists, the ones that know of and interact knowingly with these entities don't really need beliefs, they just knowingly worship the insane or being fooled to believe its for the "good". Off course I am not 100% sure of how it is, will have to wait and see I guess.

Tolle doesn't tell you anything of any practical use and his story about his so called "spiritual awakening", is faker than a man in drag wearing a blonde wig LOL. Guys like him are there to stop you from being productive, see too many of you here really cannot see and grasp the bigger picture of the New Age CON. It's promoted by TPTB, it's everywhere... why else would it be promoted into the mainstream? It's mostly superstition none reality and is designed to keep you in another type of mental prison, not too set you free, it's the opposite of what you're led to believe. A product of the High Priesthoods who have used the same methods as mind control is now wearing a different suit/dress "New Age", "Gurus", teachers etc.:eek:

See this is when I fiind it difficult to talk to you, have you judged me as a "new ager"? Have you read any of Tolle except his "awakening"? I haven't read his awakening but will now ;) Tolle isn't my "guru", I am just currently reading some of his which is why I mention him lately. I have read alot of books of teachers or "pointers" as I like to call them, but the most important one is within, which they also point out. I don't see myself as a new ager, I am interested in truth, not beliefs. Or techniques to empower ego which many new age books seems to offer. How is "consciousness is here, now" a New age con? Couldn't it also be called science? Investigating this makes you realize a couple of things which when you talk about it might seem like belief og new age but talk is just talk and can never be the truth. How does investigating what is true make you less effective?
Teachers or pointers are not more special than anyone else.


The most difficult thing for anyone too do is be themselves and follow their own mind, Funny seems to me everyone follow their own mind and beliefs all the time without question. intuition and be a true individual free thinker, and that's the only truth for me, I've tried everything and done many things been round the block a few times yaa dee yaa de yah. But, hey everyone has their own path to follow and will try different avenues what ever religion or what ever else they choose along the way.

Just trying to show that there's more ways of looking at things and there's more going on behind the scenes than most of you realize, and not doing too well at explaining at the mo lol.

peace :)
I am not trying to convert you into something, there is nothing to be converted into anyway. Only finding your rush labeling of me as a "new ager" abit disturbing. Love ya though

Peace [/QUOTE]

[manchurian_candidate]

I thought the whole concept of Christianity was just another tool of fear for the NWO to use against humanity....:(

I myself was a Catholic for 9 years, went to a Catholic school etc etc

See this thread btw... http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20823

[optimus pigpot]

They don't minister to every single person in those cultures. If there is one person in a distant place, God will reach them. You already formed your own concrete belief so you shouldn't ask what you are unable to hear. ;)

Still listening all frequencies open, no still nothing.

[armoured_amazon]

Still listening all frequencies open, no still nothing.

Edited.

[manchurian_candidate]

Still listening all frequencies open, no still nothing.

I am afraid I have to agree, I was a Catholic for 9 years as I mentioned and all I got from attending a religious school was hours of chanting and repentence from all our sins. How many sins can a 5 year old child be guilty of??? :confused:
We were taught that anyone with a different religious view to our own would go to hell, I thought half of my family would going to burn forever if they died!! :(:(

I wouldn't belittle anyone (well I would hope not!) for their beliefs but I just don't see how it is good for the soul to believe you were born with original sin and you can never be cleansed of it unless you attend a church for an hour every sunday? Maybe I have just had a bad experience with religion. :o

ATB

MC :)

[sunyatta60]

We were taught that anyone with a different religious view to our own would go to hell, I thought half of my family would going to burn forever if they died!!

It is mind control how else was the Vatican ever going to become one of the richest institutions on earth.
The biblical Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you Luke 17: 21
If that is the case then heaven and hell are nothing more than states of mind.
I suggest that everyone read The Second Coming by Freke and Gandy you will clearly see how the Jesus Myth came about and what it all really means it is a really funny book but the message is a serious one.

The Mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of Hell, a hell of Heaven.
Milton

[manchurian_candidate]

We were taught that anyone with a different religious view to our own would go to hell, I thought half of my family would going to burn forever if they died!!

It is mind control how else was the Vatican ever going to become one of the richest institutions on earth.
The biblical Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you Luke 17: 21
If that is the case then heaven and hell are nothing more than states of mind.
I suggest that everyone read The Second Coming by Freke and Gandy you will clearly see how the Jesus Myth came about and what it all really means it is a really funny book but the message is a serious one.

The Mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of Hell, a hell of Heaven.
Milton

That is exactly right, that why I would have thought it would be better that people worship their 'God' in a personal way rather than going to a church?!

[monkyies]

I am afraid I have to agree, I was a Catholic for 9 years as I mentioned and all I got from attending a religious school was hours of chanting and repentence from all our sins. How many sins can a 5 year old child be guilty of??? :confused:
We were taught that anyone with a different religious view to our own would go to hell, I thought half of my family would going to burn forever if they died!! :(:(

I wouldn't belittle anyone (well I would hope not!) for their beliefs but I just don't see how it is good for the soul to believe you were born with original sin and you can never be cleansed of it unless you attend a church for an hour every sunday? Maybe I have just had a bad experience with religion. :o

ATB

MC :)

You were 5 years old with sins, but the christians cannot tell you why. Do you really think they would tell you that you have past lives with past sins and thats why you are born a sinner? No, because christianity isn't meant for positive ends.

You must believe that you are born already completely contaminated by material nature the instant you are in the womb, not because of past life impressions on the mind, but because of incredibly damaging spiritual untruths.


Such christian brainwashing makes for perfect demoniac people, no offences to jesus in ne way.

[sunyatta60]

Such christian brainwashing makes for perfect demoniac people, no offences to jesus in ne way.

LOL Mate you cannot offend Jesus for it is a Myth taught by the church. You will offend the mad followers of the myth though people like Amazon and Drakel are totally Delusional and every sane person knows you cannot reason with Mental Patients.

Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

[monkyies]

who made up jesus?

Much of what jesus has said was true and is very valuable, so what are you trying to say.

[manchurian_candidate]

Such christian brainwashing makes for perfect demoniac people, no offences to jesus in ne way.

LOL Mate you cannot offend Jesus for it is a Myth taught by the church. You will offend the mad followers of the myth though people like Amazon and Drakel are totally Delusional and every sane person knows you cannot reason with Mental Patients.

Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche


I do agree that Jesus cannot be offended but I don't think his followers are delusional, I think they just want meaning in their lives like all of us search for.

Fear is your only God -RATM

[monkyies]

I do agree that Jesus cannot be offended but I don't think his followers are delusional, I think they just want meaning in their lives like all of us search for.

Fear is your only God -RATM

His followers are delusional. lemme tell you why. they want true meaning in their lives, and they have found it in a prophet, that is great. they are delusional because they dont see that all knowledge that came from jesus is now completely manipulated so that they do not get the absolute real truth.

they are delusional.

they look outside for meaning. well we are in dark ages you are gonna find only complete madness.

[manchurian_candidate]

QUOTE=monkyies;290741]His followers are delusional. lemme tell you why. they want true meaning in their lives, and they have found it in a prophet, that is great. they are delusional because they dont see that all knowledge that came from jesus is now completely manipulated so that they do not get the absolute real truth.

they are delusional.

they look outside for meaning. well we are in dark ages you are gonna find only complete madness.[/QUOTE]

I do understand what you are saying and I do agree, just don't like being so blunt with them as I do also understand their beliefs having been there myself and it isn't nice having someone rip them apart, they need to realise the truth themselves. We should just try and present all the info we can :)

Referring to the original thread of 'christians are invading this site' I don't know why people who believe in God/Jesus in the conventional sense would want to be on this forum as there are hundreds of posts discounting the existence of Christianity in the sense they believe in it and to be awakened which is what most people here are searching for/developing further you can't believe in Christianity can you??!!!:confused::confused:[

[monkyies]

nothing is blunt nothing is new.

jesus was great and still is, find him if you want, but thats it. just know one thing and thats it. jesus is A son of god, thats your bible u need not ne thing more.

Its to be understood that this is your sacred spiritual path, why look behind, you should remember to always look forward, otherwise you'll go down with it.

[synergy777]

see there are two jesus's, the one which is a fusion of man/teacher that lived and mystery/solar symbolism.

i believe the man existed, i do not believe the solar symbolism such as being born on the 25th/solar-sol invictus, i do not believe he walked on water/again solar symbolism.

i do not believe he was divinely conceived.

i believe yashuah to be a normal person like us, who aceheived enlightenment and developed his spiritual/mental powers, which is what the cult members like optimus think icke can do.

yashuah never said he was the only son of god, he said we are all the creators/fathers children, thus if the source/creator created us all, what does that make us. our spirit is from the source/creator, our bodies from our parents.

optimus i have read all ickes books, but unlike you i do not follow blindly and i use ickes work as a foundation not the complete answer. i studied all of the data.

icke belives brian desbrough, as in that "whites are from mars", lol

he doesn't even see that aryans are people who follow the vedic life eg compassionate living, veget-arian diet, aryuvedic/holistic medicine, yoga etc. thus anyone who follows the vedic culture is an aryan, from celtic druids, nordic warriors, to indian priests etc.

i have shown that africans, asians, europeans are all one race, i provided dna articles, cultural articles etc.

if icke can know this stuff about matrix/maya/illusion, then he is not the first or the last. people for thousands of years have talked about maya-illusion-matrix, buddha, krishna, yashuah did.

even einstein and huygens showed reality to be a illusion, as in not solid, real but not solid. its the wave/particle duality coupled with electric universe-tesla/holographic construction and finally the observer effect.

its science not some icke monopoly.

so when you say jesus, differentiate between the teacher and the roman/nicene creed product, or is selective recognition your modus operandi?

also as to what i believe or follow, you haven't got a clue bro.

why doesn't icke explain the yashuah, the teacher/rabbi, friend of the poor/oppresssed, rebel/anti establishment. a true revolutionary who even flavius josephus described. explain the sicarri/daggers the zealots who fought against roman/foreign occupation, how time repeats, lol

yashuah today would be labelled a terrorist/insurgent/freedom fighter

research history, religion, science critically analyse, be objective, disprove everything, whats left will be as close to the truth as you can get. be scientific not a fan.

as yashuah said test them by their fruits, ie test the actions, the data, observe/analyse.

as for the old imagination theory/matrix, the could stretch to you, me, and icke etc, so again it falls down.

the aliens/reptiles/feathered serpents/dragons, you and icke speak off, they are in the bible and other religous texts, they are the fallen angels/annunaki, who came from heaven/space.

look at constellations, orion, alpha draconis, pleiades, sirius etc.

the matrix they have us trapped us is symbolic, its spiritual/scientific ignorance.

they keep us in the view we are merely biological beings who live once on earth and thats it, its a symbolic concept.

also not all christians are demonic/evil. what about the good christians who do aid work, help the homeless, help the palestinians, help people in the thrid world etc.

when you do as much good as they do, then judge, until then brother, check yourself.

[manchurian_candidate]

see there are two jesus's, the one which is a fusion of man/teacher that lived and mystery/solar symbolism.

i believe the man existed, i do not believe the solar symbolism such as being born on the 25th/solar-sol invictus, i do not believe he walked on water/again solar symbolism.

i do not believe he was divinely conceived.

i believe yashuah to be a normal person like us, who aceheived enlightenment and developed his spiritual/mental powers, which is what the cult members like optimus think icke can do.

yashuah never said he was the only son of god, he said we are all the creators/fathers children, thus if the source/creator created us all, what does that make us. our spirit is from the source/creator, our bodies from our parents.

optimus i have read all ickes books, but unlike you i do not follow blindly and i use ickes work as a foundation not the complete answer. i studied all of the data.

icke belives brian desbrough, as in that "whites are from mars", lol

he doesn't even see that aryans are people who follow the vedic life eg compassionate living, veget-arian diet, aryuvedic/holistic medicine, yoga etc. thus anyone who follows the vedic culture is an aryan, from celtic druids, nordic warriors, to indian priests etc.

i have shown that africans, asians, europeans are all one race, i provided dna articles, cultural articles etc.

if icke can know this stuff about matrix/maya/illusion, then he is not the first or the last. people for thousands of years have talked about maya-illusion-matrix, buddha, krishna, yashuah did.

even einstein and huygens showed reality to be a illusion, as in not solid, real but not solid. its the wave/particle duality coupled with electric universe-tesla/holographic construction and finally the observer effect.

its science not some icke monopoly.

so when you say jesus, differentiate between the teacher and the roman/nicene creed product, or is selective recognition your modus operandi?

also as to what i believe or follow, you haven't got a clue bro.

why doesn't icke explain the yashuah, the teacher/rabbi, friend of the poor/oppresssed, rebel/anti establishment. a true revolutionary who even flavius josephus described. explain the sicarri/daggers the zealots who fought against roman/foreign occupation, how time repeats, lol

yashuah today would be labelled a terrorist/insurgent/freedom fighter

research history, religion, science critically analyse, be objective, disprove everything, whats left will be as close to the truth as you can get. be scientific not a fan.

as yashuah said test them by their fruits, ie test the actions, the data, observe/analyse.

as for the old imagination theory/matrix, the could stretch to you, me, and icke etc, so again it falls down.

the aliens/reptiles/feathered serpents/dragons, you and icke speak off, they are in the bible and other religous texts, they are the fallen angels/annunaki, who came from heaven/space.

look at constellations, orion, alpha draconis, pleiades, sirius etc.

the matrix they have us trapped us is symbolic, its spiritual/scientific ignorance.

they keep us in the view we are merely biological beings who live once on earth and thats it, its a symbolic concept.

also not all christians are demonic/evil. what about the good christians who do aid work, help the homeless, help the palestinians, help people in the thrid world etc.

when you do as much good as they do, then judge, until then brother, check yourself.

A very informative answer!! Nice one synergy :)

[monkyies]

see there are two jesus's, the one which is a fusion of man/teacher that lived and mystery/solar symbolism.

i believe the man existed, i do not believe the solar symbolism such as being born on the 25th/solar-sol invictus, i do not believe he walked on water/again solar symbolism.

i do not believe he was divinely conceived.

i believe yashuah to be a normal person like us, who aceheived enlightenment and developed his spiritual/mental powers, which is what the cult members like optimus think icke can do.

yashuah never said he was the only son of god, he said we are all the creators/fathers children, thus if the source/creator created us all, what does that make us. our spirit is from the source/creator, our bodies from our parents.

optimus i have read all ickes books, but unlike you i do not follow blindly and i use ickes work as a foundation not the complete answer. i studied all of the data.

icke belives brian desbrough, as in that "whites are from mars", lol

he doesn't even see that aryans are people who follow the vedic life eg compassionate living, veget-arian diet, aryuvedic/holistic medicine, yoga etc. thus anyone who follows the vedic culture is an aryan, from celtic druids, nordic warriors, to indian priests etc.

i have shown that africans, asians, europeans are all one race, i provided dna articles, cultural articles etc.

if icke can know this stuff about matrix/maya/illusion, then he is not the first or the last. people for thousands of years have talked about maya-illusion-matrix, buddha, krishna, yashuah did.

even einstein and huygens showed reality to be a illusion, as in not solid, real but not solid. its the wave/particle duality coupled with electric universe-tesla/holographic construction and finally the observer effect.

its science not some icke monopoly.

so when you say jesus, differentiate between the teacher and the roman/nicene creed product, or is selective recognition your modus operandi?

also as to what i believe or follow, you haven't got a clue bro.

why doesn't icke explain the yashuah, the teacher/rabbi, friend of the poor/oppresssed, rebel/anti establishment. a true revolutionary who even flavius josephus described. explain the sicarri/daggers the zealots who fought against roman/foreign occupation, how time repeats, lol

yashuah today would be labelled a terrorist/insurgent/freedom fighter

research history, religion, science critically analyse, be objective, disprove everything, whats left will be as close to the truth as you can get. be scientific not a fan.

as yashuah said test them by their fruits, ie test the actions, the data, observe/analyse.

as for the old imagination theory/matrix, the could stretch to you, me, and icke etc, so again it falls down.

the aliens/reptiles/feathered serpents/dragons, you and icke speak off, they are in the bible and other religous texts, they are the fallen angels/annunaki, who came from heaven/space.

look at constellations, orion, alpha draconis, pleiades, sirius etc.

the matrix they have us trapped us is symbolic, its spiritual/scientific ignorance.

they keep us in the view we are merely biological beings who live once on earth and thats it, its a symbolic concept.

also not all christians are demonic/evil. what about the good christians who do aid work, help the homeless, help the palestinians, help people in the thrid world etc.

when you do as much good as they do, then judge, until then brother, check yourself.

you are not god. he created you there are definite distinctions. who cares what jesus was he was a prophet saint, a teacher just like all saints. they always come down in order to lift souls.

we cannot though be the same as the supreme lord because he is just plain more than us.

dont think you can become his equal, only co creator.

god isnt me and jesus and so many sparks of himself.
we are just sparks we'll never be his whole self

[synergy777]

i am not christian, muslim, jewish, etc, but i see the truth in them and realise its the same truth as sikhism, its called correlation. which is due to these religions having universal truths such as compassion, spiritual development, loving/merciful creator.

we must learn about all religions, before we analyse/pass judgement, when we do this, we realise they are all the same, its comforting.

as a sikh, i must learn about all religions.

krishna, buddha, yashuah, the three amigos, lol

[synergy777]

i am a part of the creators creation, i never said i am god/creator, thats arrogant bullshit/blasphemy.

so next time you want to accuse me of this, check yourself, you prat.

the creator is beyond human comprehension.

[monkyies]

well you are human and this is the body for god realization, so you can comprehend him.

if you know about hinduism, krishna was god, but not in the flesh, he was actually gods personal form, a spiritual body in the material cosmos...

this is for personalists, impersonalist god is christianity, a god that has no form.

this is to be stayed away from, god has a form just like jesus did.

we always say god, not gods, but a personal one personality without division, so he has one body when he comes down here for us to see.

[synergy777]

i do not see god as person/human body, as in reality this is not what we are, so how could god be.

i see him/her as either a sprit/entity, to be frank, i have no idea, he/she could be a spirit or beyond the limits of spirit/form

this humanisation of god i am against.

god made us in his image/spirit,

and then we reciprocated, lol

[monkyies]

i do not see god as person/human body, as in reality this is not what we are, so how could god be.

i see him/her as either a sprit/entity, to be frank, i have no idea, he/she could be a spirit or beyond the limits of spirit/form

this humanisation of god i am against.

god made us in his image/spirit,

and then we reciprocated, lol

god could never be human he is GOD. its simple, god is the original councioussness he is one he is beyond division one cause just one this means he can be represented as one personality one body, but not materially.

we are in his image. he looks like a human what do you think he looks like, u think he is just formless nothing just imagination?

we all have a mind and so does god, a giant infinite one that is the controller, but that mind can still be represented in a body, not a material one like jesus.

u just dont understand what he's trying to do by being born as god. its a great favor for us to be able to be able to imagine him.

god has all the opulences all potencies within him, but him means one.


its very very hard to understand until you've achieved high levels of devotional service, then answers come.

[drakul]

nothing is blunt nothing is new.

jesus was great and still is, find him if you want, but thats it. just know one thing and thats it. jesus is A son of god, thats your bible u need not ne thing more.

Its to be understood that this is your sacred spiritual path, why look behind, you should remember to always look forward, otherwise you'll go down with it.


Jesus NEVER said he was `THE SON OF GOD'.

Jesus ALWAYS said he was `THE SON OF MAN'.

Do you know what that means? There is a huge difference.

[manchurian_candidate]

Jesus NEVER said he was `THE SON OF GOD'.

Jesus ALWAYS said he was `THE SON OF MAN'.

Do you know what that means? There is a huge difference.

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.

JOHN 10:36
"do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'?

JOHN 17:1-2
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.

[monkyies]

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.

so god sent down his SON.

father son and holy spirit

jesus was the son of the father.

[monkyies]

Jesus NEVER said he was `THE SON OF GOD'.

Jesus ALWAYS said he was `THE SON OF MAN'.

Do you know what that means? There is a huge difference.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.


god gave his one and only SON.

[manchurian_candidate]

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.


god gave his one and only SON.

We are on the same page as it were! :)

[monkyies]

so jesus is the son of god, u agree. he isnt the only son of god, we are all sparks of the same divine essence.

its just that we are a spark and he is infinite, but still one, one father one peronsality one body if can understand, krishna.

[drakul]

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16.

JOHN 10:36
"do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, `You are blaspheming,' because I said, `I am the Son of God'?

JOHN 17:1-2
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.

You make good points. However pls note that in John 17:1-2 Jesus is asking a question: `because I said, I am the Son of God? It is a QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT.

In John 17:1-2 Again - Jesus does NOT say - `I am the son of God'.

There is a big difference. The Vatican would LIKE us to believe Jesus was the one and only son of God. However as Jesus said - John 10:39 - `Is it not written in YOUR law, I said Ye are gods`?

Jesus consistently and unequivocally states throughout the New Testament - `I am the Son of MAN'. Why do you think he said that?

Why not just consistently state - `I am the Son of GOD'?

[monkyies]

i agree that it is a misconception of jesus words that he was the only son of god.

he was a great prophet and like all others he must have meant that he is a son of god, that he has transcended reality and knows himself to b A son of god.

[manchurian_candidate]

You make good points. However pls note that in John 17:1-2 Jesus is asking a question: `because I said, I am the Son of God? It is a QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT.

In John 17:1-2 Again - Jesus does NOT say - `I am the son of God'.

There is a big difference. The Vatican would LIKE us to believe Jesus was the one and only son of God. However as Jesus said - John 10:39 - `Is it not written in YOUR law, I said Ye are gods`?

Jesus consistently and unequivocally states throughout the New Testament - `I am the Son of MAN'. Why do you think he said that?

Why not just consistently state - `I am the Son of GOD'?





Well I was taught throughout school that he was the Son of God and him saying in John 17:1-2 'my father' does point to the idea that he is saying he is the son of God. As for the `because I said, I am the Son of God? It is a QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT. he said it because the Jews thought he was blaspheming!:confused::confused:

I don't particularly want to get into an argument (as you may have read in my previous posts) because I don't want to belittle anyone for their beliefs as I used to share the same. If you want to believe in Christianity then that is your decision and I am not going to force you not to as I think it is unfair to force anyone to believe your own views. Shame the mormons on our high street don't agree! :D

[drakul]

Well I was taught throughout school that he was the Son of God and him saying in John 17:1-2 'my father' does point to the idea that he is saying he is the son of God. As for the `because I said, I am the Son of God? It is a QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT. he said it because the Jews thought he was blaspheming!:confused::confused:




Yet there is no PRIOR statement by Jesus that - `I am the Son of God'. Just this question - `because I said, I am the Son of God?. Where did he say before this that he was the Son of God? Nowhere.

Jesus always said - `I am the Son of MAN'. What does that mean?

[monkyies]

if jesus is the son of ne thing it must b god, otherwise we are higher than him cuz we're all sons of god

[manchurian_candidate]

Yet there is no PRIOR statement by Jesus that - `I am the Son of God'. Just this question - `because I said, I am the Son of God?. Where did he say before this that he was the Son of God? Nowhere.

Jesus always said - `I am the Son of MAN'. What does that mean?

As I said I don't want to argue about this to be honest my friend. You are obviously a believer, my faith is Christianity is no longer there and I see no further point in discussing something that you believe passionately in and I look upon with a slight amount of contempt, although having said that it doesn't mean I can't love my fellow human being with enough love to make Jesus happy :)

[monkyies]

dont try to b friends with him. he is christian, and as far as he's concerned u are going to hell.

according to christians u are born a sinner but without past lives and u will die a sinner with no future lives unless christ comes into ur life.

accept christ or u are demon among demons, u jew. jk

[manchurian_candidate]

dont try to b friends with him. he is christian, and as far as he's concerned u are going to hell.

according to christians u are born a sinner but without past lives and u will die a sinner with no future lives unless christ comes into ur life.

accept christ or u are demon among demons, u jew. jk

I sincerely hope you didnt call me a Jew!:eek: As my Gandhi-like patience will not stretch much further :D

I am aware of the ideals of Christianity i.e going to hell etc, just don't see the need in being against someone because of their beliefs.

[monkyies]

i had a good friend in high school last year but our arguments always got to: He died for your sins, wtf man. that was his argument for everything.

he would not accept that me andhim would end up in the same place eventually, he was sworn to say that u go to hell pretty much

[manchurian_candidate]

i had a good friend in high school last year but our arguments always got to: He died for your sins, wtf man. that was his argument for everything.

he would not accept that me andhim would end up in the same place eventually, he was sworn to say that u go to hell pretty much

Yeah I understand where you are coming from, and to be honest I am not friends with any practising Christians so I can't comment on how annoying that would be. I guess I would hope if they were a friend they would keep their religious views to themselves if it would cause an argument. :(:)

[drakul]

dont try to b friends with him. he is christian, and as far as he's concerned u are going to hell.




LIAR. Simple as that. You are a LIAR.

Where have I ever said anyone was going to to HELL if they are not a Christian?

[monkyies]

jk lol

[sunyatta60]

Where have I ever said anyone was going to to HELL if they are not a Christian?

Heaven and Hell are just states of mind, they have to be if the biblical Jesus is right. LOL He allegedly taught that God is within you, if that is so then so is Heaven and so is Hell. The priesthood of Christendom distorted the teaching and told people be good, give us your money and you will get to heaven when you die. If you don't do what we say and give us your money you are bad and you are going to hell. It is a load of crap and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see through the deception.

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of Hell, a hell of Heaven.
Milton

[paganus]

Hel (hell) is originally the Norse Goddess of the Underworld.

[armoured_amazon]

Where have I ever said anyone was going to to HELL if they are not a Christian?

Heaven and Hell are just states of mind, they have to be if the biblical Jesus is right. LOL He allegedly taught that God is within you, if that is so then so is Heaven and so is Hell. The priesthood of Christendom distorted the teaching and told people be good, give us your money and you will get to heaven when you die. If you don't do what we say and give us your money you are bad and you are going to hell. It is a load of crap and anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see through the deception.

The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of Hell, a hell of Heaven.
Milton

Once again an ALL-KNOWING PROPHET ON THIS FORUM MISQUOTES "THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU." Again and again. Wow, it would be so nice if someone read it IN CONTEXT!!!!!!

For crying out loud.....Jesus, give me strength. Strength to walk away and ignore such....

[eternal_spirit]

Hel (hell) is originally the Norse Goddess of the Underworld.

.................................................. ...............

El, Elle, same thing:confused:

[drakul]

.................................................. ...............

El, Elle, same thing:confused:


El was a word expressing divinity or God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)

[lydia78]

Wow, it would be so nice if someone read it IN CONTEXT!!!!!!



Coming from you AA this is hilarious :D:D:D

Are you a Comedian?

[bigus_dickus]

El was a word expressing divinity or God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(god)

in Greek, ΕΛ (EL, or (h)el) means "light".

it has the same root with the word ΗΛΙΟΣ (ELios, or (h)elios), the Sun.

also the word Greece in Greek, is ΕΛΛΑΣ (ELlas, or (h)ellas), which means ΕΛ (light) + ΛΑΣ (rock) = "the rock of light"

and the Greeks are called hellenes ((h)EL-lenes)

now, consider the (Greek) words electric, electron, electricity, etc

the word electro-, comes from the word ΗΛΕΚΤΡΟΝ (electron), which is the amber. but this word, apart from referring to amber, we use it to mean "bright". the name Electra has the same root, ΕΛ (EL).

[paganus]

The old Old Norse word Hel derives from Proto-Germanic *khalija, which means "one who covers up or hides something", which itself derives from Proto-Indo-European kel-, meaning "conceal". The term may have later spawned the English word Hell. Related terms are Old Frisian helle, German Hölle and Gothic halja.

[paganus]

Hon á þar mikla bólstaði ok eru garðar hennar forkunnar hávir ok grindr stórar. Éljúðnir heitir salr hennar, Hungr diskr hennar, Sultr knífr hennar, Ganglati þrællinn, Ganglöt ambátt, Fallandaforað þresköldr hennar er inn gengr, Kör sæing, Blíkjandaböl ársali hennar. Hon er blá hálf en hálf með hörundarlit, því er hon auðkend ok heldr gnúpleit ok grimmlig.
- Gylfaginning[1]
She has great possessions there; her walls are exceeding high and her gates great. Her hall is called Sleet-Cold; her dish, Hunger; Famine is her knife; Idler, her slave; Sloven, her maidservant; Pit of Stumbling, her threshold, by which one enters; Disease, her bed; Gleaming Bale, her bed-hangings. She is half blue-black and half flesh-color (by which she is easily recognized), and very lowering and fierce.-taken from the Prose Edda

[sunyatta60]

Once again an ALL-KNOWING PROPHET ON THIS FORUM MISQUOTES "THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITHIN YOU." Again and again. Wow, it would be so nice if someone read it IN CONTEXT!!!!!!

For crying out loud.....Jesus, give me strength. Strength to walk away and ignore such....

Your myth cannot give you anything but I can give you a wake up call. There is nothing out of context because they have the biblical Jesus proclaiming The Kingdom of God is Within You. Luke 17:21

Now if God is in you then heaven and hell cannot be anywhere else but in you also. They are mind states if you have the evidence that disproves me then let us see it.

The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You, and whoever knows himself shall find it. And having found it, you shall know yourselves that You are in God and God is in You, and, You are the Kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ Oxyrhynchus Manuscript

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Sunyatta:



LUKE 17

The Coming of the Kingdom

20: Once when the Pharisees demanded to know when the Kingdom of Yahweh would come, He answered, and said to them: The Kingdom of YHVH does not come with observation;

21: Neither will they say; Look Here! or; Look There! For behold, the Kingdom of YHVH is among you.


The Kingdom of YHVH is referenced Hundreds of Times throughout Scripture.

When read and placed in proper context, one may realise, it is a State of Mind, BUT, also an actual Place.


A Scriptural Fact, Truth, IS; The Kingdom of Heaven is Governed by YHVH and the Laws of the Torah.


If one is not attempting to keep YHVHs Laws, the Kingdom of YHVH will not be present within oneself.


I have invited Madthumbs to the Book of YHVH Thread, please join us.



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[sunyatta60]

A Scriptural Fact, Truth, IS; The Kingdom of Heaven is Governed by YHVH and the Laws of the Torah.

No thanks YHVH is nothing more than a Moon god no wonder it was psychotic and engaged in genocide against non Hebrew peoples.
YAhWeh is not the all encompassing creator either I think you should read Icke more closely or even Maxwell et al LOL

Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

[paganus]

A Scriptural Fact, Truth, IS; The Kingdom of Heaven is Governed by YHVH and the Laws of the Torah.

No thanks YHVH is nothing more than a Moon god no wonder it was psychotic and engaged in genocide against non Hebrew peoples.
YAhWeh is not the all encompassing creator either I think you should read Icke more closely or even Maxwell et al LOL

Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche'christianity is the ultimate jewish consequence'-A.Hitler

[sunyatta60]

'christianity is the ultimate jewish consequence'-A.Hitler

And Islam it is all Mind Control Drakul and Amazon are little more than Robots both deeply a sleep.

[armoured_amazon]

Praise Yahweh! He knows and loves each and every one of us! Friend to the friendless! Father to the fatherless! Strength over weakness! His love and mercy endureth forever!!!!!

[sunyatta60]

Praise Yahweh! He knows and loves each and every one of us! Friend to the friendless! Father to the fatherless! Strength over weakness! His love and mercy endureth forever!!!!!

You can tell Amazon is a robot, you push the button and stand back and wait for the banal mantra praising a Jewish Moon God LOL

[eternal_spirit]

If Yahwe is father of Yeshua:confused: Isn't Jesus Yesuha:confused:

[psychicdefender]

If Yahwe is father of Yeshua:confused: Isn't Jesus Yesuha:confused:

That is a complicated thing to understand, I am currently writing up an explanation (for some others) when it is finished I'll post it for ya.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

If Yahwe is father of Yeshua:confused: Isn't Jesus Yesuha:confused:


You're closin' in es! :D Almost there; a Vowel and a Consonant; A & H

Example: 'If Yahweh is father of Yahshua: Isn't Jesus Yahshua?'

The Hiding Of Yahweh's Name

In the Hebrew manuscripts, the religious scholars conclude there are three major texts of Scripture; the oldest and the original being the Yahwistic works, which use the Name of Yahweh exclusively. These works are referred to as the J writings because they contain only the Name of Yahweh without the pagan titles of El, Elohim or Adonai. In these first manuscripts, everyone knew instantly the Name of the Creator of all things, because the minds of those who read it were not confused by reading titles of pagan Gods (Elohim).

The next text of the Scriptures, coming about 100 years later, incorporated the use of pagan titles, which were adopted from the Canaanites after the children of Israyl entered the promised land, even though Yahweh had strictly warned them to stay away from the Godworship of the people they would come in contact with (Deuteronomy 7:1-5). In direct violation of Yahweh's commandment not to worship hinder Gods (Elohim) only 100 years later the Holy Scriptures became polluted with the pagan titles of Elohim, Adonai, God and Lord.

The pagan word God comes from the word El (singular—God) or Elohim (plural—Gods).

From The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 1, page 817, we find the information that El or Elohim simply means demon.
A. In The OT. 1. Daimonism. a. Daimon. The Hebrew equivalent of "demon" (daimon) in the original sense is simply or ('elohim), commonly rendered "god."

The words El-Elohim, like the words Baal-Adonai came from the Canaanite vocabulary and worship. These Canaanite words were accepted into the Hebrew language many years after the Yahwist writings of the Holy Scriptures.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 674 tells us:
Most of these terms were employed also by the Canaanites to designate their pagan gods. This is not surprising; since on settling in the Promised Land the Patriarchs and early Israelites made "the language of Canaan" their own (Is. 19:18), the Hebrew language would naturally use the Canaanite vocabulary for terms designating their own Deity.

These names of the Canaanites' Gods (Elohim) were accepted before and during the time of Yeremyah the prophet began his prophesying.

Yeremyah 23:25-27—

25 I have heard what the prophets say, who prophesy lies in My Name, saying; I have dreamed! I have dreamed!

26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds;

27 Who devise; plan and scheme, tto cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; Lord.


The word Baal simply means Lord, as is shown in Unger's Bible Dictionary, page 665.

Lord (Hebrew Adon), an early word denoting ownership; hence, absolute control. It is not properly a (righteous) title...master; of kings, as the lords of their subjects. (4.) Lord. Master, (Greek Kurios) Supreme...

(5.) Baal (Master) (As noted above, it means Lord)—applied only to heathen deities (gods), or to man as husband, etc ...

The Jews out of a superstitious reverence for the Name of Yahweh, always, in reading, pronounced Adonai where Yahweh is written.


On page 413 of Unger's Bible Dictionary, we find:

Baal—common Canaanite word for master, lord, was one of the chief male deities of the Canaanite Pantheon, now well known from the religious epic literature discovered at Ras Shamra (an Ugarit of the Amarna Letters), from 1921-1937.


Smith's Bible Dictionary on pages 195-196 states:

The substitution of the word Lord is most (sad); for, while it in no way represents the meaning of the Sacred Name, the mind has constantly to guard against a confusion with its lower uses, and, above all, the direct personal hearing of the Name on the revelation of Yahweh...is injuriously out of sight.


At the time, the use of these pagan terms was accepted, and used by the copyists to replace Yahweh's Name, or to identify Him in their writings. However, these pagan words cannot identify Yahweh our Creator, because they are titles of Satan and her angels.

Unger's Bible Dictionary page 412 states that the word El is a Canaanite word meaning God or devil.

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 1, page 817, under Demonology, says the word Elohim (plural form of El) means demons or Gods.

Scholars and historians find it quite remarkable that the people of Yahweh ever accepted appellations such as Adonai or Elohim in place of the Name Yahweh. Harper's Bible Dictionary by Paul Achtemeier, page 253 states:
The accomodation of El worship by Yahwism was a remarkable occurrence for Israel was as a rule hostile to the cults of Canaaite gods and goddesses.


The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680, tells us a very important fact about Yahweh's Name.

YHWH. The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.


Notice what they have written concerning the Name Yahweh from The Torah: A Modern Commentary, by Gunther Plaut, page 31 and page 426.

Yahweh is the unique, personal name of the Creator and the name most frequently used in the Bible. The Torah gives the meaning in Exod. 3:14.

The original pronunciation was most likely Yahweh, but since Jewish tradition permitted the name to be voiced only by the High Priest it became customary, after the destruction of the Second Temple, to substitute the word Adonai (meaning "my Lord") when reading .

1 The Masoretes who vocalized the Hebrew text therefore took the vowels from the word Adonai and put them with to remind the reader not to read Yahweh but Adonai. Hence, all vocalized text of the Bible now read .2 A Christian writer of the sixteenth century who was unaware of this substitution transcribed , as he saw it, namely, as Jehovah, and this has since entered many Christian Bible translations.


Overwhelming scholarly opinion holds that YHVH was in Moses' time pronounced (Yahweh).

There is also a shorter form of the Name, Yah, (a Bi-Grammaton?)which may represent the original form from which Yahweh was expanded or may, contrariwise, be a contraction of the longer ascription. Yahweh occurs sometimes alone (as in 15:2, 17:16), but more likely in conjunction with proper names like Elijah (Eliyah in Hebrew) and in the doxology, HalleluYahweh.


The Name Yahweh means self-existent, which this source shows.

But it also means perfect righteousness, which is contrary to the meaning of the word God, which means a mixture of righteousness and evil. Notice the following Scriptures, which shows the character of Yahweh:

Exodus 33:18-19—

18 Then Mosheh said; Show me now Your glory.

19 And Yahweh said: I will make all My righteousness pass in front of you; and I will proclaim My Name, YAHWEH , in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Exodus 34:5-7—
5 Then Yahweh descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the Name of YAHWEH.

6 Yahweh passed in front of him, and proclaimed: YAHWEH, YAHWEH Almighty, merciful and compassionate, longsuffering, and abounding in righteousness and truth.

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression, and sin; but by no means leaving unpunished those who are guilty; Who visits the sin of the fathers upon the children and the children's children, to the third and fourth generation.


They have substituted (among many other names and titles) Baal, the Babylonians God (el) and Adonay, the Canaanite God (El) of the Phoencians for the holy Name of our Creator Yahweh.

The substitution of Yahweh's Name with the names of pagan Gods (Elohim) has brought immeasurable harm.

Such names as Lord, God, Jesus and Christ in no way represent the meaning of the name revealed by Yahweh our Heavenly Father to Mosheh, and to the ancient Hebrews.

By employing these names, the people unknowingly turn the worship of Yahweh into that of God (elohim) and actually ascribe the loving and merciful characteristics of the Father of Israyl, to the pagan Gods (Elohim).


The New International Version Interlinear Hebrew-English Old Testament, elects to use Yahweh's Name where it is written in the Hebrew text.

In Volume 1, page 26 of the Introduction is found this statement:


Yahweh, the personal Name of (the Creator) is always translated Yahweh, against the practice in the NIV in rendering it as Lord. On the one hand, this prevents confusion of the Name with the title (Adonai) my Lord, for the idea of lord is not an integral element of the Name. On the other hand, it may be the use of Yahweh in this work will encourage the reader to use the personal Name of (Yahweh) in prayer and praise, as is intended by the most common imperative in the Scriptures: (HalleluYahweh!) Psalm 104:35: Praise Yahweh![/font]



Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation It is a Combanitive Name of which there are many using Yahwehs Name: Yahdah, Yahchanan, Malakyah........all with unique meanings.


Yeshua means He is Salvation



Yahweh-Tetragrammaton


Yahwe- Trigrammaton


Yah- Bigrammaton



You're gainin' es




Sunyatta:


If it is not an imposition, would you provide Source and Date of Origin for Moon God.


Thank You & You're Welcome in Advance


It really is quite the Brilliantly Inspired Book, isn't it, the subject of so much discussion.


A very unique and comprehensive: 'School of Thought'



I have evidence, if you would like to see,that the Moon God is Satan, the Adversary, A Master-ette of Deception! :eek:

Please Consider: When Maxwell and others refer to El-ohim, they indicate the extant of their research ended at the Elohist Source Text and Not the Jahwist Source Text, which predates the Elohist by 100-150 years.

A valid point would be: Yahwism, (Judaism) is considered by consensus scholarship to be: Mono-Theistic = One Source

This is the Tetra-Grammaton YHVH-Yahweh-7-800 BCE,

The Elohist Text writes the Tetra-Grammaton, but Scribe markings indicate to read: Elohim-(Gods,plural); this would inherently render the Document: Poly-Theistic




Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[optimus pigpot]

Very funny though to see who's god is best. Synergy on one side and monkyies on the other.

And they still can't see it can they. Tossers.

[sproket]

I can’t see any Zodonisim mentioned here. Perhaps its best that its kept to those of us that understand.

[sunyatta60]

Sunyatta:


If it is not an imposition, would you provide Source and Date of Origin for Moon God.

Snoopy just cast your net wide I would suggest you read The Gods of Eden or anything by Philip Gardiner. It seems a cast iron fact that your religion was set up by those who want to control you.
No doubt about it all organised religion is mental slavery and you cannot see how they play one religion against another using the precept of divide and rule to accomplish their goal.
They are doing this in Iraq right now and if you ever read a book called The Prince by Machavelli you will beging to understand why.
At the moment you like many Xitians are unable to see the Bigger Picture because you are caught up in the details. In other words you have been programmed to see the world with a jaundiced eye.

[optimus pigpot]

I can’t see any Zodonisim mentioned here. Perhaps its best that its kept to those of us that understand.

Do you understand???

[drakul]

Do you understand???


Yes I understand perfectly Herr Piggy - as HITLER said - `We will not let the Russians practice Christianity - as they will use this to organize aganst us.'

Divide et Impeara.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Sunyatta:
Snoopy just cast your net wide I would suggest you read The Gods of Eden or anything by Philip Gardiner. It seems a cast iron fact that your religion was set up by those who want to control you.

Thank you for replying Sunyatta.

Snoops went down the Rabbit Hole circa 1971

Have checked out Gardinier previously, and like Maxwell and others found their conclusions, more like: REACHES

Even Joseph Cambell.

The matter of 'Control' is for the Health, Safety and Welfare of the Individual and Group, and is not Nefarious, rather, Benign.


No doubt about it all organised religion is mental slavery and you (PROJECTION) cannot see how they play one religion against another using the precept of divide and rule to accomplish their goal.


I am 54 yo, I have been observing this for a very long time, with cognisance. You are describing Blind Faith, I have been toiling: Mechanically & Mathematically.

The Book of YHVH DEMANDS one proves YHVHs Doctrines to ones' Mind, not their Heart (this is dia-metrically opposed to most other Schools of Thought)

This requires Study & Contemplation

They are doing this in Iraq right now and if you ever read a book called The Prince by Machavelli you will beging to understand why.


I have read this Book three times beginning in 1972.

I happen to be a Big Fan of Ghengis Khan.

There is even more to this Iraq busiiness than you may perceive.

The Book of YHVH is also known as the Book of Rivers.

It begins in the: Land between the Rivers, and it end in the Land Between the Rivers.

Of course you are aware of which Rivers I speak.



At the moment you like many Xitians (DISCERNMENT FAILURE) are unable to see the Bigger Picture ( PROJECTION) because you are caught up in the details. In other words you have been programmed to see the world with a jaundiced eye. ( O'RLY )


I am not a Christian, I am a Messianic Yahwist, very, very, very profound differences. I happen to be enjoying more clarity than I have ever experienced in Life Before, the past Ten Years or so have been a Phenomanal experience, all Positive.

This is accomplished through self-discipline, self-responsibility, and self-accountability.


If we do not control ourselves, others will control you for you.

This is the Essence of the Book of YHVH, and it is not through Fear as a Motive Force, rather the Desire to behave in a way that does not diminish the Integrity of the Group.


When one contracts a STD and brings it back to the Group, this is not a Positive.

The Curse, Problems I see afflicting Individuals, Humankind, all of the Animal Kingdoms and the Earths Environments are due to Transgressions of one or more of YHVHs Laws.

Please Recall: When was the Last Time you heard any world leader speak of YHVH and His Laws and Prophets, remember, YHVH is not a God. YHVH is not God.

What you have presented to me, is what 'They' want you to believe, the Fulness of Time will bear the Truth.

I can present Dozens of YHVHs Laws that were Transgressed in the Initiation and Conduct of the Iraq War.


I am Convinced the Torah is Brilliant, though contemporarily Politically Incorrect.

At this time no-one is being Forced to adopt this Doctrine, YHVH Himself knows it is not Popular or widely embraced, leaving Humankind to their own desires and understandings, and what we witness is the result of Mans desires, not YHVHs.

Stop by the BoYHVH Thread, I will be examing some of the Most Politically Incorrect Laws.


Thank you for replying.



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[amethyst]

What you have presented to me, is what 'They' want you to believe, the Fulness of Time will bear the Truth.

I will agree with that. In order to truely be a "free thinker", you have to consider all angles of the equation.......not just two or three or even four expert's opinions, on why the world is the way it is.......but you have to come to your own conclusions....based on the information you have at your disposal...and be willing to change it, when more enlightenment comes...

.....and never be "closed" to learning all you can about new ideas.

"Closed thinkers" cut themselves off from futher possibilites of exploration, I think. If you are open and willing to learn new things, the world is your oyster :D

Sir Snoops, you sound like a wise sage ;)

[synergy777]

could the elite had credited these false teachings to yashuah,

in order to give them credibility/gravitas.

imagine if years from now, we don't break free and the elite still rule.

however some of of ickes teachings are kept, the elite could use icke as christ figure,

mix in some of their teachings and then attribute them to icke,

then people would think icke justified/supported the elites teachings.

then people would argue about icke, question his teachings/existence.

[optimus pigpot]

And you have all fulfilled my words. Everyone arguing about whose god is best!!!

You are all talking shit!!!

All of YOU are proving ME to be correct!!!

RLMFAO

[sproket]

Yes I understand perfectly Herr Piggy - as HITLER said - `We will not let the Russians practice Christianity - as they will use this to organize aganst us.'

Divide et Impeara.



Fantastic response, “Her Pigpot” loving it !!!!

[optimus pigpot]

who made up jesus?

Much of what jesus has said was true and is very valuable, so what are you trying to say.

Jesus is bollocks........

What are you saying...............???????????????

[sproket]

I got to got with Optumus on this one, how do you know what Jesus said? Oh, perhaps its because someone wrote it down then hundreds of years later someone else decided to edit it then make it into a book and call it the bible. Sorted, it must be fact then

[optimus pigpot]

I got to got with Optumus on this one, how do you know what Jesus said? Oh, perhaps its because someone wrote it down then hundreds of years later someone else decided to edit it then make it into a book and call it the bible. Sorted, it must be fact then

And they come back with.........

..........Er. ................... nothing!!!!!

[lydia78]

I got to got with Optumus on this one, how do you know what Jesus said? Oh, perhaps its because someone wrote it down then hundreds of years later someone else decided to edit it then make it into a book and call it the bible. Sorted, it must be fact then


Yup, I agree with you and the lovely Pigpot, how the heck can anyone copyright God???? I had a look at a bible the other day and nope there was not copyright to the Creator...LOL :D:D

More like biblical Chinese whispers...;)


The Biblical Chinese Whisper Phenomenon


The phenomenon known as biblical chinese whispers stems from a game started at the beginning of biblical manipulation. When passing information from one party to another (usually verbally) the facts and theme often become distorted. A common example of this is seen in the religious context, in churches et al, which also extends into rumors and neighbourhood gossip.
Likewise, information passed by email is often altered, as is information that is overheard by people. Safety warnings can turn into scares, jokes into facts and dramas into crisis'.

The phenomenon itself can be defined as information that reaches it's destination, significantly altered in content, facts and theme to the way it was originally presented.


:D

[sunyatta60]

And you have all fulfilled my words. Everyone arguing about whose god is best!!!

You are all talking shit!!!

All of YOU are proving ME to be correct!!!

RLMFAO

I don't see everyone arguing whose God is best Pigpot there is only One God.
People are arguing more for their religions and like I have stated before All Organised Religion is MIND CONTROL.

[thirdwave]

Yes I understand perfectly Herr Piggy - as HITLER said - `We will not let the Russians practice Christianity - as they will use this to organize aganst us.'

Divide et Impeara.

he was just useing his tool...Judaism.... Christianity..... so on.... He was useing his tools.

[kingdavid]

true that dont the get that there religion is manufactured

[drakul]

Fantastic response, “Her Pigpot” loving it !!!!


Thankyou Sprocket.

Let's put Christianity into another kind of perspective. Writers like Acharya try to create this picture of Rome as some kind of ancient pagan wonderland with everyone holding hands and dancing in flower-studded fields. Most people don't realize how DEGENERATE the Roman empire was. 20,000 slaves A DAY coming into Rome, many of whom were immediately CASTRATED. 1/3 of the population were slaves. That's what the Roman empire was all about, conquering territory to steal their stuff and get more slaves, including raw flesh for the gladiatorial games. When Ceasar conquered Gaul he killed ONE MILLION people. On holy days the temples were virtual slaughter houses. Christianity emerged in the colonies NOT in Rome as passive resistance against Roman degradation and it worked. Christianity was NOT a `prison religion' but it was practiced by slaves.

Anti-Christians always try to confuse the policies of the VATICAN a political-business city state, having its own seat at the UN, with Christianity. The Illuminati in control the Vatican are doing what the Lumies have ALWAYS DONE, climbing on board the bandwagon to control the situation. Using `Christianity' as a COVER.

What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT, that's all. What a corrupt and degraded group of men do with those teachings is another matter entirely.

[octopusrex]

Thankyou Sprocket.

Let's put Christianity into another kind of perspective. Writers like Acharya try to create this picture of Rome as some kind of ancient pagan wonderland with everyone holding hands and dancing in flower-studded fields. Most people don't realize how DEGENERATE the Roman empire was. 20,000 slaves A DAY coming into Rome, many of whom were immediately CASTRATED. 1/3 of the population were slaves. That's what the Roman empire was all about, conquering territory to steal their stuff and get more slaves, including raw flesh for the gladiatorial games. When Ceasar conquered Gaul he killed ONE MILLION people. On holy days the temples were virtual slaughter houses. Christianity emerged in the colonies NOT in Rome as passive resistance against Roman degradation and it worked. Christianity was NOT a `prison religion' but it was practiced by slaves.

Anti-Christians always try to confuse the policies of the VATICAN a political-business city state, having its own seat at the UN, with Christianity. The Illuminati in control the Vatican are doing what the Lumies have ALWAYS DONE, climbing on board the bandwagon to control the situation. Using `Christianity' as a COVER.

What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT, that's all. What a corrupt and degraded group of men do with those teachings is another matter entirely.

Yeah.

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What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT, that's all. What a corrupt and degraded group of men do with those teachings is another matter entirely.

And we wonder why there's over 37,000 denominations that can't agree.

Jesus stated that he didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets. Not until heaven and earth pass away - not one jot or tittle. These laws include infant genital mutilation, laws concerning slavery, genocide, etc.

Jesus also declared that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

[psychicdefender]

And we wonder why there's over 37,000 denominations that can't agree.

Jesus stated that he didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets. Not until heaven and earth pass away - not one jot or tittle. These laws include infant genital mutilation, laws concerning slavery, genocide, etc.

Jesus also declared that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Jesus also said that "there is no greater sacrifice than a man lay down his life for his friends."

Something TPTB used to send millions to their deaths in WW1.

Make of that what you like...

[drakul]

And we wonder why there's over 37,000 denominations that can't agree.

Jesus stated that he didn't come to destroy the law or the prophets. Not until heaven and earth pass away - not one jot or tittle. These laws include infant genital mutilation, laws concerning slavery, genocide, etc.

Jesus also declared that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Is male circumcision really THAT bad? Or that important an issue? It's clearly a parental, personal choice in Christianity.

Jesus came to bring the `Sword' of TRUTH.

Of course Jesus DID come to change `the law' - COMPLETELY. (Thank GOD). Jesus was against virtually everything about Jewish law, especially the very GOD the Jews worshipped. That's why we have Christianity today.

[sunyatta60]

Jesus came to bring the `Sword' of TRUTH.

The Truth is Jesus never came at all. You have been programmed by the controller to believe a lie.

[sunyatta60]

What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT,

Jesus never taught nothing he simply was a myth created by Rome. It was The Romans that bestowed Divinity upon their god Jesus. You cannot get away from that fact no matter how much u want to dissociate.

[drakul]

What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT,

Jesus never taught nothing he simply was a myth created by Rome. It was The Romans that bestowed Divinity upon their god Jesus. You cannot get away from that fact no matter how much u want to dissociate.


Degenerate ROME did not have the compassion or the wisdom to create the teachings of Jesus. Why should the Romans undermine their own powerbase - a religion based on FEAR and BLOOD SACRIFICE with a religion based on LOVE which was against blood sacrifice??

The Romans probably did import (from Persia) and RE-invent MITHRA - the `god' whose only quality was to cut the throat of bulls and bathe in its blood (Taurobolium). The Romans loved to do that and were still performing these acts along with forcing people to slaughter each other years after Constantine banned blood sacrifice from Constantinople.

Mithra that's the closest to `GOD' the Romans could conceive of.

[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=drakul;303674]Degenerate ROME did not have the compassion or the wisdom to create the teachings of Jesus. Why should the Romans undermine their own powerbase - a religion based on FEAR and BLOOD SACRIFICE with a religion based on LOVE which was against blood sacrifice??

How did the Romans undermine their power base? The fact is it was Rome that issued the decree that Jesus was God. It was Rome that gave you your bible no matter how much you want to disassociate from the above two facts.
You have basically been conned.

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Poor you. :(

And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

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What matters are the letters in RED in the Bible - what JESUS TAUGHT,

Jesus never taught nothing he simply was a myth created by Rome. It was The Romans that bestowed Divinity upon their god Jesus. You cannot get away from that fact no matter how much u want to dissociate.

I don't think He's a myth...I've encountered the Christ. But religion and all the trappings of religiosity are a myth, IMO.

[drakul]

[QUOTE=drakul;303674]Degenerate ROME did not have the compassion or the wisdom to create the teachings of Jesus. Why should the Romans undermine their own powerbase - a religion based on FEAR and BLOOD SACRIFICE with a religion based on LOVE which was against blood sacrifice??

How did the Romans undermine their power base? The fact is it was Rome that issued the decree that Jesus was God. It was Rome that gave you your bible no matter how much you want to disassociate from the above two facts.
You have basically been conned.


What is the oldest bible in the world and what language is it written in? LATIN?

NO, the CODEX SINAITICUS, the world's oldest Bible is written in GREEK not Latin.

Do some research. Constantine banned Blood Sacrifice and the Gladiatorial games in 325AD from Constantinople NOT Rome. Rome continued the blood sacrifices and games long after they were banned by Constantinople.

In fact the gladiatorial games were never even allowed in Constantinople.

Just because all you know is the King James VATICAN version of the Bible, and the UK/`VATICAN/Roman' version of history, doesn't mean that the rest of history never happened. By the time Christianity became the official religion of the empire `ROME' had already split and fallen. GREEK-SPEAKING Constantinople was from the very beginning the center of the Christian world. You have been conned by the VATICAN (always pretending they are the first and only Church). Open your eyes. Educate yourself.