E-mail I have just sent to my water supplier.

[bicycle]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

[armoured_amazon]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

:D

[lookfar]

Hey that's a good idea bicycle - I might just do the same!!:D Infact I reckon we should all contact them & see whether that changes their minds, although they could always lie about it, I wouldn't put that past them :rolleyes:

[bicycle]

Yeh, lets make this thread a sticky, hey mods:)

[lookfar]

Ok I'll stick it for ya, but I'll have to move it into What We Can Do forum as the General forum has loads already & we get complaints about them :) Is that cool with you?

[bicycle]

I think coz of the seriouseness of the matter and its in the current news it should be in general for a few weeks then moved.

Hit them first before they hit us with rat poison (flouride)

[lookfar]

I think coz of the seriouseness of the matter and its in the current news it should be in general for a few weeks then moved.

Hit them first before they hit us with rat poison (flouride)

Ok I'll sticky it in General for a week or two then move it across :)

Cmon people let's all do this & let them know that we're not gonna put up with this.

[bicycle]

Thanks.

[resistance]

Hey that's a good idea bicycle - I might just do the same!!:D Infact I reckon we should all contact them & see whether that changes their minds, although they could always lie about it, I wouldn't put that past them :rolleyes:

Get a tester kit, and file a liabilty case if you can proof they lied ;)

[lookfar]

Get a tester kit, and file a liabilty case if you can proof they lied ;)

Sounds good, can you get a testing kit for fluoride & where would you get one?

[greenleaf]

Your local council will have a tesing kit and also some respectable plumbers.
Here is an example of my brothers (http://www.hach.com/hc/search.product.details.invoker/PackagingCode=5870005/NewLinkLabel=Fluoride%2C+Pocket+Colorimeter+II+Tes t+Kit/PREVIOUS_BREADCRUMB_ID=HC_SEARCH_BROWSE_CATEGORY_P RODUCTSFluorideTestKits/SESSIONID%7CBE1qQXlNekE0T0RFMU5qZzRKbWQxWlhOMFdVWk xRdz09QkV3eA==%7C)
You Water Company Address Details (UK) (http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/aptrix/ofwat/publish.nsf/Content/watercompanyaddresstelephone)

[lookfar]

Ok just sent my email to my local water supplier...

I am deeply concerned about the news of fluoride being added into our drinking water supply. I would like to state for the record that if this happens in my area, then I will cease my direct debit payments to you, as this then becomes medicated water without my consent.

I hope you understand my concerns and take them onboard. I look forward to receiving a reply from you, which will hopefully reassure me that you will not be adding this to our water.

I reckon they'll come back & say that it's not down to them but our individual Local Authorities, but it's definitely worth a go imo. I'll let you know if I receive a reply....

[hagbard_celine]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

Well done! :)

[hagbard_celine]

Hey that's a good idea bicycle - I might just do the same!!:D Infact I reckon we should all contact them & see whether that changes their minds, although they could always lie about it, I wouldn't put that past them :rolleyes:

Probably, but we'll still make our point. It will only be a matter of time before someone in on the secret gets a conscience. If enough of us do it then it will be like the Poll Tax!:cool:

[lookfar]

Probably, but we'll still make our point. It will only be a matter of time before someone in on the secret gets a conscience. If enough of us do it then it will be like the Poll Tax!:cool:

Yeah I agree HC. I've sent my email & I'm hoping that lots of others will send theirs too.

I've just read dave52's thread about the bbc poll & it's looking good - there are a lot of aware people out there who are not happy about this decision. The time to act on it is now before it's too late.

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah I agree HC. I've sent my email & I'm hoping that lots of others will send theirs too.

I've just read dave52's thread about the bbc poll & it's looking good - there are a lot of aware people out there who are not happy about this decision. The time to act on it is now before it's too late.


My own supplier has no plans to add fluoride yet... or rather they haven't published any plans to do so;), but I'll be deeply concerned if they do! I'll cancel my own rates and buy Evian to drink.

[adzboarder]

I'm in, typing up a letter now.

Send it recorded otherwise they will claim they never got it. If it's recorded they are obliged to reply.

[lookfar]

I'm in, typing up a letter now.

Send it recorded otherwise they will claim they never got it. If it's recorded they are obliged to reply.

Oh bugger I sent it by email, but I did get a receipt - does that count?

[resistance]

Sounds good, can you get a testing kit for fluoride & where would you get one?

Try something like this:-

http://www.cannonwater.com/Products/water_testing.html?gclid=CLT-naz_r5ECFR9gMAodDSxQXA

[beldazar]

I have just done the same :D Though I wont be much of a loss to them as since I went onto a meter and use rainwater as much as poss, I only pay £12 a month

[adzboarder]

Oh bugger I sent it by email, but I did get a receipt - does that count?

I guess. It's just that they often have a policy which says they will reply to correspondence and respond to customer questions and complaints, if they don't then they are not acting responsibly and you can kick their asses legally (if it came to it).

When I say legally, thats the bit where they take you to court for non-payment.

[lookfar]

I guess. It's just that they often have a policy which says they will reply to correspondence and respond to customer questions and complaints, if they don't then they are not acting responsibly and you can kick their asses legally (if it came to it).

When I say legally, thats the bit where they take you to court for non-payment.

Aha gotcha - I'll also print it off & send it recorded then :D

[adzboarder]

If you have a piece of paper that says you expunged your contract with them or asked why they are providing "medicine" instead of water and they have not responded accordingly, any attempts to get money from you via the court will collapse as they should have responded to you appropriately as you have been reasonable with them there is some leniency.

Secondly should a case like this go to court they will have egg all over their faces and their flouridation poisoning will be exposed via all the media you would invite to a press conference. (not that that will help much).

Correct me if I am wrong legal eagles, I'm no expert but I know my rights and I know how to fuck companies over, especially the ones who deserve it most.

[sleepycat64]

My own supplier has no plans to add fluoride yet... or rather they haven't published any plans to do so;), but I'll be deeply concerned if they do! I'll cancel my own rates and buy Evian to drink.

Apparently Evian contains more flouride than mouthwash. Can't remember where I read that though but will try and find out.

[armoured_amazon]

Ever wonder why it's called Evian? Reverse it. They're laughing all the way to the bank; I imagine it's tap water.

[steevo]

Ever wonder why it's called Evian? Reverse it. They're laughing all the way to the bank; I imagine it's tap water.

Amazing!! They must think the sheeple are just plain stupid :rolleyes:

[resevaz]

I'm gonna find out if there are plans to bring this in here as well. We don't have water charges here yet, but will do soon if the ptb have their way (I live in the north of Ireland). If they try to bring this I will certainly try to organise some kind of protest against it. Refusal to pay charges is a great idea.

[bicycle]

Amazing!! They must think the sheeple are just plain stupid :rolleyes:

Unfortunately they are right, not so much stupid but apathetic which will get worse with flouridated water.

I dont know about you lot but I am surrounded by them and I cringe to think It may get worse!

[angelicangel]

Unfortunately they are right, not so much stupid but apathetic which will get worse with flouridated water.

I dont know about you lot but I am surrounded by them and I cringe to think It may get worse!I thought it was already in the water supply? There you go, I don't like drinking normal tap water, but sometimes while cleaning your teeth, you do notice a smell coming out of the tap. Even this bottled water makes you wonder where that has come from, have they just filled some water out of tap water or where? My sister went to Egypt a few years back and drank bottled water. She ended up with Dysentry from the water. What had happened was the traders had been filling the bottles up with tap water and selling it back to the tourists. I must say this was on a cruise. She was ill for weeks and even now the thought of going abroad freaks her out.;)

[grover66]

The water here has been fluorodated since the early '70s, I think, but there's a town nearby where they only sought to introduce it in 2007. I know they got about 3000 signatures on a petition to not fluorodate the water and I found this copy of a petition that had been tabled in government about it:

Water: fluoridation
To the Honourable Speaker and members of the Legislative
Assembly in Parliament assembled:

The humble petition of the undersigned citizens of the state of
Victoria sheweth that the Victorian government has moved to
mass medicate the population of Wangaratta by the
fluoridation of the domestic water supply.

In view of the questionable ethics of this practice, the
contradiction regarding health benefits and the lack of
community consultation, your petitioners pray that:

the Victorian government acknowledges our opposition
to mass fluoridation pending a referendum of the
citizens of Wangaratta.

the government to be bound by the results of such
referendum.

Mass medication is in direct contravention of the 1949
Nuremberg court ruling relative to compulsory medication.
‘The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely
essential’ (Nuremberg Code).


I've got a feeling the government probably went ahead with it anyway, but I thought the above might help with wording or something in case anyone wants to get a petition happening :)

[revelations]

I have refused to pay my water bills now for 5 years! I have a £3000 bill, they have threatend me with bailifts now for over a year and Im still not budging. :D

[91181]

I have refused to pay my water bills now for 5 years! I have a £3000 bill, they have threatend me with bailifts now for over a year and Im still not budging. :D



Why havnt they cut you of yet or are they not allowed to do that ?

[resistance]

I have refused to pay my water bills now for 5 years! I have a £3000 bill, they have threatend me with bailifts now for over a year and Im still not budging. :D

Good on yu, take a stand, fuk em if they are gonna put that shit in the water and poison us all, then that constitutes treason to the british people.
pay to be poisoned not fu---n likely.

[resevaz]

Why havnt they cut you of yet or are they not allowed to do that ?

Good point.

If they are not able to, what a good sign. Those of us who would be wiling to protest over this would be spurred on by this.

[91181]

If its true i will stop paying tomorrow i live in a 1 bedroom flat in Hastings by myself and was told by my water company my bill will be capped at 15 £ a month , yeah right , i got a letter this morning saying its gone up to 18 a month . Is this reasonable for one person ?

[resevaz]

No way in hell his that kinda money reasonable. Thats a personal opinion however. In the north of Ireland we are not subject to water charges... yet. Here there has been outrage all across the board at the mere thought of charges being brought in, never mind charges for a fluoridated service. Our refusal to accept water charges DELAYED THEM. If more people stand together across the islands I'm sure we can knock the fluoridation scheme on the head.

[2013]

When they contacted their water company and stated that they would deduct monies for bottled water/water filters if their water was fluoridated, they were told that the water companies didn't care, because the Department of Health would pay their water bill.
It would seem that in essence, all that people who live in fluoridated areas have to do is write a letter to their water company stating that they are deducting money from their water bill to pay for water filters or bottled water, and the Department of Health will pick up the tab.Full Article below
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/F?thread=3771469
UK Department of Health to pick up tab on Fluoride
This campaign update was written by an Action Network user not the BBC

Created: 30 Dec 2006 | Updated: 30 Dec 2006


By Philip Booth in Stroud

"For those living in fluoridated areas and punters who just don't want to pay their water bills, it seems almost too good to be true. During the past several weeks, the National Pure Water Association HQ has received calls from perplexed fluoridation objectors throughout England.

When they contacted their water company and stated that they would deduct monies for bottled water/water filters if their water was fluoridated, they were told that the water companies didn't care, because the Department of Health would pay their water bill.

After reviewing the Indemnities to Water Companies section of the 2003 Water Bill, NPWA found the anecdotal reports from the fluoridation objectors were based in fact.

Read excerpts below - the Government has indemnified them for almost everything under the sun including "third party debt"!

2005 No. 920 WATER INDUSTRY, ENGLAND
The Water Supply (Fluoridation Indemnities) (England) Regulations 2005
Made 24th March 2005 Coming into force 1st April 2005

Indemnity
2. - (1) Pursuant to section 90 of the Act and subject to clauses 3 to 5 below, the Secretary of State for Health hereby indemnifies the water undertaker-
(a) against all claims, proceedings, actions, damages, legal costs, expenses and any other liabilities;
(b) in respect of any death or personal injury, or loss of or damage to property;

*******************

It would seem that in essence, all that people who live in fluoridated areas have to do is write a letter to their water company stating that they are deducting money from their water bill to pay for water filters or bottled water, and the Department of Health will pick up the tab.

All the water company has to do is say that they made a "reasonable effort" to recover the debt, which means that you will get a few reminder notices in the mail and perhaps, a phone call, but that will probably be the extent of it. (Water companies want to minimise costs.) The water company will then bill the DoH. At that point it is up to the DoH to send the water company a cheque, and then attempt to recover the "third party debt" - at huge cost to the taxpayer.

The DoH has taken on the responsibility of being a debt collection agency for the water industry. Presumably they believe their own propaganda, and assume that only a few 'kooks and crackpots' will refuse to pay their water bills. Imagine if it was the 90% of people who actually oppose fluoridation! 6 million people are already being fluoridated. Is the DoH going to take 5.4 million people to court now, and millions more later?

However, NPWA sees a problem with the term "reasonable": it was not defined in the Act. What is "a reasonable effort" to one party might not seem reasonable to another party - in this case, neither party has any idea of what definition of "reasonable" the other party is assuming.

In reality, while the DoH appears to be indemnifying the water industry for everything, they have actually indemnified them for nothing, because of the vagueness of the document's language - everything is open to interpretation, e.g. "reasonable". We foresee the water industry having to take the Government to court in order to recover its losses.

However, before the vague wording of the Act is clarified in court, fluoridation objectors living in fluoridated areas might want to help the UK water industry test the goodwill of the Government. Write a letter to your water company and tell them that you are starting to deduct the cost of your water filter, or bottled water, from your monthly bill, and see what happens.

See Indemnities http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2005/20050920.htm

"

[revelations]

Its illegal to cut off the water supply at an occupied property whether you pay or not. :)
But they will send harsh letters to try to intimidate you ...ooh yeah im scared LOL :D
Why havnt they cut you of yet or are they not allowed to do that ?

[91181]

Its illegal to cut off the water supply at an occupied property whether you pay or not. :)
But they will send harsh letters to try to intimidate you ...ooh yeah im scared LOL :D


Im stoping the direct debit tomorow morning then:D

[beldazar]

Hey 91181, thats quite a low bill you have there, before I was on a meter my bill was £49 a month, just me and one child then, thats why I went on a meter, it means I have to go back and forth with buckets but I can handle that until I cant carry them any more, I live in the south west, the highest area for water rates

[revelations]

Right im off to boil my FULL kettle and have a cuppa ...then im gonna slip into a nice hot bath ...filled to the brim...ahhhh. :D

[adzboarder]

Its illegal to cut off the water supply at an occupied property whether you pay or not. :)
But they will send harsh letters to try to intimidate you ...ooh yeah im scared LOL :D

Where do you live then Rev?

That's cool, I'm well up for that if it's UK.

[adzboarder]

If its true i will stop paying tomorrow i live in a 1 bedroom flat in Hastings by myself and was told by my water company my bill will be capped at 15 £ a month , yeah right , i got a letter this morning saying its gone up to 18 a month . Is this reasonable for one person ?

Is that Mid-Kent Water or Southern? or both like me? I live near Ashford, Kent.

[revelations]

UK mateWhere do you live then Rev?

That's cool, I'm well up for that if it's UK.

[adzboarder]

Sweet, I might just join you.

[lottie]

No way in hell his that kinda money reasonable. Thats a personal opinion however. In the north of Ireland we are not subject to water charges... yet. Here there has been outrage all across the board at the mere thought of charges being brought in, never mind charges for a fluoridated service. Our refusal to accept water charges DELAYED THEM. If more people stand together across the islands I'm sure we can knock the fluoridation scheme on the head.

You don't have to pay for water???!!:eek:

WTF...ive never heard that before- i thought we all had to pay for it across the world!! :eek:

[resevaz]

You don't have to pay for water???!!:eek:

WTF...ive never heard that before- i thought we all had to pay for it across the world!! :eek:

Well, we pay for our water through the rates we pay to our councils. However, they now want to bring in an extra fee and call it our water charge.

[armoured_amazon]

If its true i will stop paying tomorrow i live in a 1 bedroom flat in Hastings by myself and was told by my water company my bill will be capped at 15 £ a month , yeah right , i got a letter this morning saying its gone up to 18 a month . Is this reasonable for one person ?

Mine works out at £400 a year. I live on MY OWN. I told them re: paying, I'd think about it. That seems terribly steep to me. When I voiced my opinion, they replied that it's a capped rate for the area and not per usage. I'm not happy about that.

[lookfar]

I have refused to pay my water bills now for 5 years! I have a £3000 bill, they have threatend me with bailifts now for over a year and Im still not budging. :D

Fook that's a long time honey. Haven't they threatened you with court action yet?

[revelations]

No threats of court action hon, but plenty of abusive letters and threats of sending the bailifts round ...and im hardly likely (if & when they do turn up) to just open my front door and say "come on in guys take what you want". LOL fuck no ...then its war! :D Fook that's a long time honey. Haven't they threatened you with court action yet?

[adzboarder]

Hi all,

Just drafting out my letter to Mid Kent Water and Southern Water with regards to this issue, what do you think of this guys?


Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you as I am deeply concerned about the recently highlighted news in the media that water companies will be adding flouride to our water supply. I strongly object to this and would very much like to know what your position is on this subject and indeed whether or not you will be contaminating our water supply like this and whether or not you are already doing this.

Please can you provide me with a detailed statement on this issue stating your position, and it would also probably be a good idea to publish something for your customers to advise them on what you are planning to do also. It would be outrageous if you are contaminating our supply already and you are duty bound to tell us what you are doing.

While the media would have us believe that flouride is actually good for us, I strongly disagree with this and urge all relevant parties within your company to research this properly before causing major problems to your customers health and that of our children.

I have included a couple of web links to articles dealing with research about flouride which I suggest you look at before acting. In short there have been cases where over exposure to flouride have caused problems such as an acute toxic hazard to some people with impaired kidney function, as well as chronic toxic hazards and gene mutations, cancer, reproductive effects, neurotoxicity, bone pathology and dental fluorosis, not to mention the deterioration of users teeth and other health related issues.

As the guardians of our water supply I demand that you make the correct informed choices on this issue - Flouride is poison and this is a fact we cannot deny.

http://www.advancedhealthplan.com/fluoride.html

^ Plenty of links to research documentation.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/

^ Flouride action network.

Should your company decide that you will be adding flouride to the water supply, this is going to have far reaching effects because you will in fact be supplying "medicine" through our taps and as many people are already aware, people of England do not have to have medicine forced upon them and can reject this. There are several laws that outline this fact and I will certainly be one of the people who do reject this should this be the case.

The very idea of using the water supply as a way of delivering medication to paying but un-willing customers and in some cases UNKNOWING customers is repugnant and should not be implemented at all.

In addition to the above concerns, can you please advise the best way to opt-out of receiving medicine from your company should you be adding flouride now or in the future? I will of course still require water to be delivered to my home for washing and bathing purposes however as I will not be drinking this contaminated supply I will be expecting a significant discount in my rates of at least 50% to cover the cost of buying water in and there will be many other people who feel the same.

I very much look forward to your response on this vital issue.

Yours sincerely,


If anyone has any REALLY good links for this letter I would appreciate it.

If anyone wants to join in and use this letter as a base for your own letter please feel free.

[bicycle]

A British Medical Journal study reports that older white women from fluoridated communities have a 32% higher rate of wrist fracture. (4)

A Mexican study links dental fluorosis to bone fractures. (5)

Polish pediatricians found abnormal bone changes in 11 to 15 year-olds exhibiting dental fluorosis. (5a)

A Rheumatology International study links naturally fluoridated water to knee osteoarthritis in amounts many Americans consume daily. (6)

Early fluorosis warning signs include joint pain, stomach pain, excessive thirst and urination, muscle weakness, and/or anemia, especially if accompanied by discoloration in the patient's front row of teeth, according to Dr. A.K. Susheela, Director of India's Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation. (7)

A U.S. woman's spine pain alleviated when she avoided fluoride.(8)

http://www.rense.com/general65/bones.htm

[bicycle]

Hi all,

Just drafting out my letter to Mid Kent Water and Southern Water with regards to this issue, what do you think of this guys?



If anyone has any REALLY good links for this letter I would appreciate it.

If anyone wants to join in and use this letter as a base for your own letter please feel free.


http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=fluoride&sa=Search&domains=rense.com&sitesearch=rense.com

[kevstodd]

lo people just thought id try put your minds at ease with a bit of info !:D

if you can get u'r selfs an ozone generator from an aquatics shop !. ask for something called a sander ozonizer 22ppm model that does 25 ppm ! (mains operated ) at about £50. I think ! and put it in a really cold glass of water (about 5 mins to 10 mins for a 250 ml glass of water .do the math for a larger container :)) then drink it straight away .i bought the 200ppm one for £175 and the only difference is its 12V dc (so its portable )and it will do a glass of water in 2 mins!
Theres loads of info on google just type "drinking ozonated water".

check the link :

http://educate-yourself.org/ozone/ozoneart2.shtml

ozone is great for drinking straight away and is very powerfull stuff (check out bob beck)

http://www.bobbeck.com/

It kills bacteria, fungus, virus, chemicals (it makes fluride inert and is flushed out of the body :)) .when used for drinking for best health effects it has to be drank straight away(20 min shelf life) but its also exellent at purifying water that can be stored and used when needed.
It can and will make you a little ill at first as its killing the shit in our systems but thats a small price to pay to cleanse the shit from our bodys and strengthen our immune system !! (from chems in the clouds;) or whatever else they might experiment with !!)
:)!!TAKE YOUR POWER BACK PEOPLE !!:):D:

[beldazar]

Yes keystodd, that may be a good idea, but as Deca stated, so much water goes down the drain and gets right into the food chain and affects everything. It needs to be stopped from going into the water in the beginning

[hagbard_celine]

Ever wonder why it's called Evian? Reverse it. They're laughing all the way to the bank; I imagine it's tap water.

God yes!:eek:

Well spotted!:)

[hagbard_celine]

The real reason for the use of fluoride in water was summed up very well by Jerry Fletcher, Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory: "It makes you a slave to the state." they learned it from the best, the Nazi's!

[armoured_amazon]

God yes!:eek:

Well spotted!:)

Heh, I always notice back-to-front patterns. I think it's from reading sheet music as a child. I can never remember written info either; has to be graphics :)

[kevstodd]

beldazar .tru it still needs to stop and we all should make a stand but at least people can protect themselfs to a point and not have there brain fried in the mean time:). i only found out the effects of ozone to puryfy water about a week a go and spent all my money (instead ov on food) ,to get the ozone generator pretty mad but had to be done also ive built the bob beck blood electrifier to help kill other shit in my system everything helps i suppose.
i live in the northeast england and i recently found out that fluride has been put in the water up here for years (the twats they are)

[armoured_amazon]

The real reason for the use of fluoride in water was summed up very well by Jerry Fletcher, Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory: "It makes you a slave to the state." they learned it from the best, the Nazi's!

Yup. :mad:

[mukulu]

beldazar .tru it still needs to stop and we all should make a stand but at least people can protect themselfs to a point and not have there brain fried in the mean time:). i only found out the effects of ozone to puryfy water about a week a go and spent all my money (instead ov on food) ,to get the ozone generator pretty mad but had to be done also ive built the bob beck blood electrifier to help kill other shit in my system everything helps i suppose.
i live in the northeast england and i recently found out that fluride has been put in the water up here for years (the twats they are)

kevstodd, I was looking at the building the blood electrifier aswell. Didn't you need the circuit board for it? Where did you get it from?
Thanks:)

[gremlin]

Apparently Evian contains more flouride than mouthwash. Can't remember where I read that though but will try and find out.

please do, but i find it hard to believe

[bicycle]

The real reason for the use of fluoride in water was summed up very well by Jerry Fletcher, Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory: "It makes you a slave to the state." they learned it from the best, the Nazi's!

I dont think it makes you a slave to the state, but it certainly does'nt help.

Having an implantable microchip would probably get you though.

[redhead]

Letter typed up and givern to my Mrs to hand round her office this morning, she has just called me to tell me about 15 people have taken them and followed some links about flouride poisoning, fired some bullets of consciousness into sleeping minds me thinks, people are not happy. Many thanks to adzboarder for the rough draft and to all people who have contributed good info to this thread.

Severn Trent are'nt going to know whats hit them, when all these letters arrive on Monday.

I'll keep peeps informed.

PEACE

RED

[bicycle]

Excellent redhead, this is the type of action needed:)

Remember if they put fluoride in our water it is going to be more difficult to get them to reverse this policy, than it is to stop them beforehand!:rolleyes:

Very important to stop these mercenary minions of the NWO. IMO.

[thorleyart]

Ok I'll stick it for ya, but I'll have to move it into What We Can Do forum as the General forum has loads already & we get complaints about them :) Is that cool with you?

why don't ya cancel some of the other stickies, have they not had their day yet?

Brixton Tickets Update - it's nearly sold out, everyone knows that

David Icke Radio - every single reply says its a good idea, so that thread is kinda piontless. We want the radio not a thread about it.

The forum members photo thread (Reveal yourself) - i don't get this thread either, people are gonna look at the first few pages and the last few pages, so thats 4000 replies that won't ever get read again.

just a suggestion

:):)

[thorleyart]

I think this is a great idea, just sent a letter to yorkshie water, no idea if they have plans to add floride??? sent it anyway

lets inundate the suckers!

[thorleyart]

Why havnt they cut you of yet or are they not allowed to do that ?

I work for an electric company, I know for a fact that if you tamper with your electric meter, the company will not take you to court for it, because it costs them too much to do so. I'm not advocating meter tampering because it can be very dangerous, it can also be done safely if you know what you are doing. I'm just stating that the company I work for do not prosecute

ALSO, they NEVER cut anyones electric off, no matter what. because they've had an inccident in the past when an elderly ladies power was cut off and she died. Legally that puts them up shit creek, so they no longer cut off power.

[steevo]

I work for an electric company, I know for a fact that if you tamper with your electric meter, the company will not take you to court for it, because it costs them too much to do so. I'm not advocating meter tampering because it can be very dangerous, it can also be done safely if you know what you are doing. I'm just stating that the company I work for do not prosecute

ALSO, they NEVER cut anyones electric off, no matter what. because they've had an inccident in the past when an elderly ladies power was cut off and she died. Legally that puts them up shit creek, so they no longer cut off power.

MAYBE that is the reason that they dont cut people off, or maybe it's cos they like to put people into as much debt as possible because they can then sell on the debt to some dodgy bank ?

[heebeejeebee]

how about this for a way of cleaning up your water supply?

http://www.warriormatrix.com/viewtopic.php?p=23009

[largejack]

I've also emailed my water supply with a similar message:)

[kevstodd]

kevstodd, I was looking at the building the blood electrifier aswell. Didn't you need the circuit board for it? Where did you get it from?
Thanks:)

Hello , i went to a place called maplin for the parts (as im in the uk) and managed to pursued the em to get all the parts i needed including diy circuit board kits !, theres loads of info on the net if you type bob becks name and follow the links for the schematic but if your anything like me when i first started making the printed circuit boards (or anything electrical ,only started in jan 2008 and never knew anything about this type of stuff before then!:) ) the schematic's are abit confusing so i've gave you a hand and shown ya one to save and enlarge that i did with pointers so you will understand it and help others to make their own !:):).still d/load the schematic as theres a full document which is helpfull to explain to people when ya show em it!:D(back up ammo for when people say its bullshit :D)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4562/bobbecksbloodcleansingdeq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

parts list;(looks more than it is !!!)
7555 CMOS timer chip (generic) IC1 $1.80
100 k ohm 3 watt 5% resistor R 1 .07
1 meg W 3 watt 5% resistor R 2 .07
2.2k W 3 watt 5% resistor R 3 .07
1 k W 3 watt 5% resistor R 4 .07
100k W linear taper pot, ½ watt Caltronics P-68 R 5 2.56
200 mF 20 V (or higher) electrolytic capacitor C 1 .45
0.22 mF 20 V (or higher) Tantalum capacitor C 2 .25
1N4001 diode 2 required @ .15 D 1 & D 2 .30
18Volt Zener diodes, ½ watt, 2 @ .79 D 3 & D 4 1.58 (NTE5027A)
NPN Transistor, generic 2N2222 Q1 .30
Bulb, 6.3 V .075 A type 7377 B1 1.34
Relay, 5 V 50W coil PCB Mount DPDT Selecta Switch SR15P207D1 5.45
Misc. wire, solder, etc. .50
Note: Action now supplies a custom printed circuit board #PS-PCB for: 15.00
They also have a complete kit available for about $80.00.
All 15 components listed above available at ACTION ELECTRONICS
1300 E. Edinger, Santa Ana, CA 92705 (714) 547-5169
Bicolor LED red/green Radio Shack #276-012 LED 1 $ 1.19
Jack for electrode leads 274-251 #/$1.59 J 1 .53
DPDT switch, 275-626 or equiv. (Used as DPST) SW 1 2.55
SPST Submini momentary push button switch SW 2 .59 ER-SW101 “Test”
Battery Holder, 4-AA cells, Radio Shack 270-383 1.29
4 Alkaline AA cell batteries, #23-552 4 for 2.89
3 Alkaline 9V batteries, type 1604 etc. 3 for 3.75
3 9V battery snaps (clip-on connectors) #270-325 pkg 5/$1.29 1.29
Box, if used 2.29
Above items generally available at local Radio Shack Stores
Lead wire with 3.5 mm plug, 6 ft., Mouser or Calrad Electronics .35
Electrodes, stretch elastic, Velcro, cotton flannel, alligator clips, etc ± 5.00 (See Notes)
Total Cost for all components for do-it-yourself project $ 49.24
This design is basically a 7555 IC timer chip set for 50% duty cycle and ~3.9 Hz driving a subminature relay.
Electrode polarity continually reverses ~¼ second positive / ¼ second negative. Frequency is not critical.

[mukulu]

Kevstodd, thank you very much. Im in the UK as well so ill nip down to maplin, I didnt know you could make your own circuit board! It'll give me something to do.
Thanks again.:)

[ravenswing]

Have sent email, thx for this :)

[keithm]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.
************************************************** ************************************************** ***************
Bournemouth & West Hampshire Water Plc
Francis Avenue
Bournemouth
Dorset
BH11 8NX
(Registered Office)
Company Number: 2924312 (England)


Tel No : +44 (0) 1202 591 111
Fax No : +44 (0) 1202 597 022
E-Mail : CustomerService@bwhwater.co.uk

Dear Mr Milton



Thank you for your email.



Fluoridation is governed by the Water Industry Act 1991, as amended by the Water Act 2003.



The Act as amended states that a Water Company must fluoridate its water supplies if told to do so by a Health Authority provided that the Health Authority first obtains the approval of the affected communities. The Government has stated that this complies with the European Convention on Human Rights.



The Act also provides that those who are supplied with water by a public water supplier are under a legal duty to pay the company’s water charges. As a consequence we along with other water companies enforce the payment of charges whenever necessary through the courts.



I can advise you that at the present time we have not received any indication from any of the Health Authorities covering our area of supply that they intend to ask us to fluoridate supplies. We believe that this situation is unlikely to change in the forseeable future.



We do not artificially add fluoride to any of our water supplies. There is a background level of 0.1mg/litre of natural fluoride in our supplies. This is one tenth of the level of that for artificially fluoridated supplies.



I hope that this clarifies the legal position for you and to some degree puts your mind at rest and makes our position clear.



Yours sincerely



Tony Cooke

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Tony Cooke
Managing Director

The following weblink is to the Consumer Council for Water's recent statement

http://www.ccwater.org.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1558&outputFormat=print

[bicycle]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.
************************************************** ************************************************** ***************
Bournemouth & West Hampshire Water Plc
Francis Avenue
Bournemouth
Dorset
BH11 8NX
(Registered Office)
Company Number: 2924312 (England)


Tel No : +44 (0) 1202 591 111
Fax No : +44 (0) 1202 597 022
E-Mail : CustomerService@bwhwater.co.uk

Dear Mr Milton



Thank you for your email.



Fluoridation is governed by the Water Industry Act 1991, as amended by the Water Act 2003.



The Act as amended states that a Water Company must fluoridate its water supplies if told to do so by a Health Authority provided that the Health Authority first obtains the approval of the affected communities. The Government has stated that this complies with the European Convention on Human Rights.




Tony Cooke

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Tony Cooke
Managing Director

The following weblink is to the Consumer Council for Water's recent statement

http://www.ccwater.org.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1558&outputFormat=print



This seems very dictatorial to me, especially us being thier customers paying thier wages.

Human rights! wll thiers some massive orwellian double speak for yer:rolleyes:

[lookfar]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.
************************************************** ************************************************** ***************
Bournemouth & West Hampshire Water Plc
Francis Avenue
Bournemouth
Dorset
BH11 8NX
(Registered Office)
Company Number: 2924312 (England)


Tel No : +44 (0) 1202 591 111
Fax No : +44 (0) 1202 597 022
E-Mail : CustomerService@bwhwater.co.uk

Dear Mr Milton

Thank you for your email.

Fluoridation is governed by the Water Industry Act 1991, as amended by the Water Act 2003.

The Act as amended states that a Water Company must fluoridate its water supplies if told to do so by a Health Authority provided that the Health Authority first obtains the approval of the affected communities. The Government has stated that this complies with the European Convention on Human Rights.

The Act also provides that those who are supplied with water by a public water supplier are under a legal duty to pay the company’s water charges. As a consequence we along with other water companies enforce the payment of charges whenever necessary through the courts.

I can advise you that at the present time we have not received any indication from any of the Health Authorities covering our area of supply that they intend to ask us to fluoridate supplies. We believe that this situation is unlikely to change in the forseeable future.

We do not artificially add fluoride to any of our water supplies. There is a background level of 0.1mg/litre of natural fluoride in our supplies. This is one tenth of the level of that for artificially fluoridated supplies.

I hope that this clarifies the legal position for you and to some degree puts your mind at rest and makes our position clear.

Yours sincerely

Tony Cooke

----------------------------------------------------------------
Tony Cooke
Managing Director

The following weblink is to the Consumer Council for Water's recent statement

http://www.ccwater.org.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1558&outputFormat=print

Hi Keith

Welcome to the forum & thanks for sharing your reply, which is a pretty good one imo.

From the sound of that then, we all have to be contacted by our relevant "Health Authority" & give our consent before they can add it?

Good on Bournemouth Water for getting back to you so quickly, which is a lot more than I can say for my lot (Southern Water)!!:(

Anyway, I hope you enjoy it here :-)

[bicycle]

Hi Keith

Welcome to the forum & thanks for sharing your reply, which is a pretty good one imo.

From the sound of that then, we all have to be contacted by our relevant "Health Authority" & give our consent before they can add it?

Good on Bournemouth Water for getting back to you so quickly, which is a lot more than I can say for my lot (Southern Water)!!:(

Anyway, I hope you enjoy it here :-)

Hmm... so I take it from this it only takes one person to object from countless thousands in order for them not to add fluoride?

[lookfar]

Hmm... so I take it from this it only takes one person to object from countless thousands in order for them not to add fluoride?

That would benice, but I doubt that very much. But if we all keep talking to people about it & complaining too, then they're more than likely to listen to lots of us rather than just one. I certainly know what I'd say if I receive anything from the "Health" Authority about it - that's if they do have the decency to contact us first, which I very much doubt :rolleyes:

[armoured_amazon]

I imagine the final decision will be 'by majority vote'...the formal letter informing us we are to have fluoride added to our water supply will give percentage findings in favour of it (even though none of our friends, family and neighbours will have had any such contact with them).

[bicycle]

I imagine the final decision will be 'by majority vote'...the formal letter informing us we are to have fluoride added to our water supply will give percentage findings in favour of it (even though none of our friends, family and neighbours will have had any such contact with them).

Yep reminds me of Ron Paul getting no-where with these diabolical voting machines, oops I mean diabold voting machines:rolleyes:

[kblood]

I live in an apartment, and I would have to stop paying my rent if I was to not pay for my water :eek:.

I am wondering, why dont the water company not just have you filed as a "non-payer"? wherever it is that is done. As far as I know, that makes you locked out of just about everything, no credit cards, no loans possible and no banks would accept you.

I guess it would be evicting you of the system, which I guess could be a good thing, and you would still have water supplied, but you would have to change your way of life a bit... I would at least.

[kevstodd]

Kevstodd, thank you very much. Im in the UK as well so ill nip down to maplin, I didnt know you could make your own circuit board! It'll give me something to do.
Thanks again.:)

no problem bud ,just glad to be of some help:)

to everyone
The water up here in the northeast has fluoride in it and i have found this document which should be of some interest to people reading this thread thats from the northeast area. (especially SOUTH TYNESIDE)

http://www.stpct.nhs.uk/documents/board_papers/agendas/agenda_march06/Item%208%20-%20Water%20Supply%20in%20South%20Tyneside.pdf

I know that us in the northeast have already been contaminated by the twats for years thats why i suggested the ozonized water !.I think us who are already contaminated should still write letters but in the mean time "CLEAN YOUR OWN WATER !!". I've only been drinking one glass of ozonized water a day for 5 days and drinking my own ozonized purified water and i can definitely feel a big difference in my mind AND body. think for us its gonna be damage control as well as damage prevention:)

[steevo]

no problem bud ,just glad to be of some help:)

to everyone
The water up here in the northeast has fluoride in it and i have found this document which should be of some interest to people reading this thread thats from the northeast area. (especially SOUTH TYNESIDE)

http://www.stpct.nhs.uk/documents/board_papers/agendas/agenda_march06/Item%208%20-%20Water%20Supply%20in%20South%20Tyneside.pdf

I know that us in the northeast have already been contaminated by the twats for years thats why i suggested the ozonized water !.I think us who are already contaminated should still write letters but in the mean time "CLEAN YOUR OWN WATER !!". I've only been drinking one glass of ozonized water a day for 5 days and drinking my own ozonized purified water and i can definitely feel a big difference in my mind AND body. think for us its gonna be damage control as well as damage prevention:)

How do you make ozonized water ? SO FAR, from what I have read and my gut feling, I would say that distilled water would be best but it takes alot of energy for the distillation process.

[beldazar]

Dear Ms Morgan,



Re: Fluoride Query



Thank you for your E-mail.



Having noted you comments I can advise that South West Water do not add fluoride to the water. All of South West Water supplies have a natural occurring level of fluoride which is no more that 0.10 milligrams per litre with is both perfectly natural and safe to drink.



To clarify South West Water has no intention of, nor has it the power to unilaterally add fluoride to the drinking water in Devon and Cornwall.



I trust this clarifies the situation. Should you require any further assistance please contact our Freephone Services helpline on 0800 169 1144.



Yours sincerely



Richard Fryer

Customer Accounts

South West Water

I had this reply from my water supplier today, its looking good!

[steevo]

All of South West Water supplies have a natural occurring level of fluoride which is no more that 0.10 milligrams per litre with is both perfectly natural and safe to drink.



To clarify South West Water has no intention of, nor has it the power to unilaterally add fluoride to the drinking water in Devon and Cornwall.


I didnt know that flouride occured naturally in water. I doubt that is true but I dont know for sure :confused:

Notice that the reply says taht they wont add flouride unilaterally meaning that they WILL add it for definite when the new legislation comes in :mad:

[beldazar]

ah, thanks for clarifying unilaterally, i wasnt sure. Yes its true that flouride is naturally occuring, I have read that quite a lot is contained in tea! i will regularly check with s.w.w to see if they are going to add it, I also intend to get the word out about how bad it is, hopefully by then more people will know. I have already sent some info to my local dentist as my sis works there. Maybe the local paper will do a story? I will check once i have some more ink to print off some information

[bicycle]

ah, thanks for clarifying unilaterally, i wasnt sure. Yes its true that flouride is naturally occuring, I have read that quite a lot is contained in tea! i will regularly check with s.w.w to see if they are going to add it, I also intend to get the word out about how bad it is, hopefully by then more people will know. I have already sent some info to my local dentist as my sis works there. Maybe the local paper will do a story? I will check once i have some more ink to print off some information

Might be an idea to give this to your sis as well:


Thousands fear mercury poisoning from fillings

There is a big question mark over the safety of mercury fillings
Thousands of people are concerned that mercury dental fillings are to blame for their poor health, BBC East Health Correspondent Gill Higgins reports.

Thousands of people have called a helpline after hearing the story of a woman from Northampton who claimed mercury was making her ill.

Pam Clayton was suffering from fatigue and dizzy spells for years, but says cleansing her body of mercury changed her life.

For years, she couldn't go anywhere because she frequently collapsed, suffering from asthma-like symptoms and chronic fatigue.

But all this changed when she had her mercury fillings removed and started to clear the metal from her body.

Ms Clayton said: "l can do the ironing again, if people ask me out I can go, I can drive the car whenever I want to and I've got my life back again.

Since setting up a mercury helpline, Mrs Clayton has received thousands of calls and letters.

"I get a couple of hundred letters a day, my mum says I've woken the world up," she said.

"I never realised there were so many ill people out there."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/220366.stm

Btw those buzz words they like to use is known as lawyer speak, all inter - related with rules and regulations. At the moment the strategy seems to be just to pacify the public, a bit like the top politicians in the Americas denying the NAU whilst at the same time building NAFTA superhighways from Mexico to Canada:rolleyes:

[beldazar]

Yep, i will come to that next, one step at a time, i intended to ask my dentist about fillings the next time i see him as he seems rather cool! Ive thought about getting mine taken out, I dont suffer from depression or ill health though but who knows, if they get removed i may be able to fly! :D

[narcolepticwatchman]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

What makes it medicated? The fluoride? Is it because its an added chemical? If so, your water is already medicated.

aluminium sulphate
ferric sulphate
lime
sodium hypochlorite
muriatic acid
sodium bicarbonate

thats in potable water (drinking water) the waste gets dosed with others as well before its discharged back into your rivers, lakes and seas.

[kevstodd]

How do you make ozonized water ? SO FAR, from what I have read and my gut feling, I would say that distilled water would be best but it takes alot of energy for the distillation process.

the water can be tap water but has to be chilled first (and you have to drink it within the first 20 mins for max health benefits ) distilled water should only be used when injecting (injecting is not a way i'd go like :)) as theres less impurity's ! but tap water is said to be fine and it cleans the water that can be stored in ya fridge


to everyone
check this vid out on flouridization ..

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=57a_1186028935

[lookfar]

Just received my reply from Southern Water:


Dear ***

Thank you for your e-mail received on 6 February 2008 concerning fluoride being added to your water supply.

All Water contains natural fluoride levels. Water supplied by Southern Water generally contains low levels of natural fluoride, less than 0.1 mg/l (parts per million). None of the water supplied by Southern Water is artificially fluoridated. There is continued debate about whether fluoride should be added to drinking water by water companies.

Our position on adding fluoride to the public drinking water supply remains clear - we do not have the medical expertise to judge the effects on dental health if we have to add fluoride.

At present, Southern Water does not add fluoride to the water in any area it supplies, but could be required to do so as a result of Government legislation. MPs have voted to give the decision on whether to dose water supplies with fluoride to the local health authority.

Southern Water continues to take a keen interest in the views being expressed by its customers, and in line with government policy, will expect the health authorities to carry out extensive public consultation before any decision is made.

I trust this information is what you require but if you have any further queries or concerns please contact our Technical Call Centre on 0845 278 0845.
Yours sincerely,

Miss S Hipkin
Senior Customer Relations Advisor

Sounds good so far. I suppose we have to wait & see if our local Health Authorities contact us.....:rolleyes:

[killmicrosoft]

looks like we have no choice and i think you are being misled
fluorideinformation.com
The independent advice service for England

http://www.fluorideinformation.com/topic.aspx?main=4&sub=401# (http://www.fluorideinformation.com/topic.aspx?main=4&sub=401#6)6

About five million people in the UK drink artificially fluoridated water. The largest region is the West Midlands with 3.5 million. The next is the Northern Region with about 1.7 million. Another some half million drink naturally fluoridated water at about the recommended level.

Other smaller schemes exist in Yorkshire, Trent, Mersey, Oxford and North West Thames. This involves 42 health authorities. A further 36, are in the process of or have already requested water companies to fluoridate the water to their populations in the future.

[killmicrosoft]

HARMFUL SUBSTANCE

NIOSH REPORT
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/c0374.htm


Chief Medical Officer of the Department of Health
http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/crd/pdf/summary.pdf

[marpat]

Just received my reply from Southern Water:




Sounds good so far. I suppose we have to wait & see if our local Health Authorities contact us.....:rolleyes:

Well if that is what they are saying to the public then they are legally obliged to live up to that. If you can get some of their water tested and it is proven that they are lying then it looks like they would be in the crap.

[killmicrosoft]

any idea where i can get my water tested (not by the water company)

[marpat]

any idea where i can get my water tested (not by the water company)

Try searching for water testing kit on the internet.

Why not get a bottle of it, take it to the company, and lie about where it came from so they don't suspect they are testing their own water. If that worked you would have them by the balls.

[bones]

when i moved into my old house i never had water. i rang them and said ive no water and they told me to turn water cock on under sink or where ever it is.

i said i thought you switched it off?

(no she replied we are not allowed to switch water off unless property is unnoccupied)

PROOF FROM THE HORSES MOUTH THERE FOR YOU. anglian water that is.
also they are flouridating our water soon . even though lincs water is flouridated naturally.
my brother sent letter to them asking why? he got reply saying its the world health organisation that requires it.
also a written demnity was included saying they cant be prosocuted for committing illness whilst drinking there water. wtf is that all about?

[vaoresagi_iaida]

Fluoride Accumulates in Pineal Gland
Categories
Health

Fluoride, added to the water supply of many cities and counties and sold by WalMart in its nursery water, has a tendency to accumulate not only in developing teeth causing discoloration, and in bones making them brittle. The mineral is associated with cancer and it also accumulates in the pineal gland, an important hormone control center, where it wreaks considerable havoc. Paul Connett of Fluoride Action Network comments on Jennifer Luke's research which was part of her PhD thesis and had just been published in Caries Research under the title: Fluoride Deposition in the Aged Human Pineal Gland.

nurserywater.jpg

Fluoride is a poison, yet we add it to our water and toothpaste and even call it a supplement, although it has no nutritional value. Its medicinal value - the prevention of tooth decay - is the official explanation for adding the toxic mineral to the water supply. But that value is far outweighed by its toxic side effects - amply documented by Paul Connett in his Statement of Concern.

Recent European Union legislation on food supplements lists fluoride as an essential element to offer for supplementation. This is somewhat ironic when contrasted with the European legislators' feigned concern over the putative toxicity of vitamins and their efforts to limit dosages of these vital nutrients in order to "protect public health".

We also use fluoride in many household items, such as non-stick frying pans, high-tech water repellent fabrics and others. Recently, at least some timid attempts to start assessing the disease burden caused by fluoride are under way. The Journal of Water Health carries an article on this research. Meanwhile in the US, the FDA has decided that fluoride should be allowed in bottled water, perhaps in deference to WalMart's offerings.

The use of fluoride for "health" reasons is one of the great insanities of our times. Could it be just by chance that the Germans and Russians both used fluoride to make prisoners stupid and docile or that the US government faced legal action over the toxic effects in the environment of this nuclear waste by-product?

Perhaps the push for 'enriching' our water and our foods with fluoride has some ulterior motive that has little to do with health. Be that as it may, the campaign for fluoridation is stil in full swing and health authorities are pushing the poison as if their monthly paychecks depended on it.

Jennifer Luke's PhD thesis on fluoride and its accumulation in the pineal gland - Paul Connett says that research might just be the scientific straw that breaks the camel's back:


Fluoride blinds your third eye folks.

Oh and for the record, Evian spelt backwards is "Naive"

[beldazar]

thats brilliant sidreighn, good news for a change :D

[dmessick]

It's not just the fluoride in the water you have to worry about. Here is Illinois there is a mass problem of prescription drugs in the water also.

[steevo]

It's not just the fluoride in the water you have to worry about. Here is Illinois there is a mass problem of prescription drugs in the water also.

And they tell us that these prescription drugs are getting in the water supply by people who are on those drugs pissing it into the system. Bollocks, they are PUTTING it in IMO.

[beldazar]

could be right there steevo, a few weeks ago my neighbour said her tropical fish were dying. In the Western Morning News, a local paper, announced that they were putting buffers in the water, wonder what thats made from? Unfortunately I cant find the article but its to make the water softer, who knows why! PH 7.5 was fine I suppose!
They told me on the phone that they concentrated on taking things out rather than putting it in, so they lied to me.

[klinker]

This is from the Thames water website. I did not know that fluoride occurred naturally in soil and rocks? I thought it was only a by product of aluminum production?

Fluoride occurs naturally in soils and rocks and can therefore be found in raw water. The concentration of fluoride depends on the type of soil and rock the water passes through. Fluoride levels in drinking water of 1 mg/l (1 part per million) are considered to have health benefits by reducing the incidence of tooth decay. The decision to fluoridate water supplies is taken by your local Strategic Health Authority - not by Thames Water. Your Health Authority should be contacted for further details on fluoridation.

Thames Water supplies have a natural concentration of between 0.1 – 0.4 mg/l. In the areas to the south and west of Reading the concentrations can be higher, typically around 1 mg/l.

Fluoride is not currently added to water supplies by Thames Water.

[wakeupworld]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.



Nice idea, yet isn`t chlorine in the water harmful as well. I haven`t drank tap water for 15 years by choice and when on just a few occasions I`ve had tea made with tap water the taste to me is so disgusting after a sip I don`t drink anymore.

I`m also trying to make sense of this article about chlorine gas http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/byname/toxicity-chlorine-gas.htm

[starfire57]

:(That is a very good idea and it shows we can do things if we truly want to end this flouride in our WATER supply WAR ON WAR-TER. Just think if we all sent the same letter in the millions, what could they do!!!. together we are a team of imense power, we take our power back! Wherever I go I always tell people about FLOURIDE, MONSODIUM GLUTIMATE, and other poisons, like CHEMTRAILS, ECT. :o

love and light sTARFIRE57

[celtic isis]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

haha :D well done!

[lookfar]

We got informed last week that they're planning on adding this shite to our water from early next year!:mad:

I received the freebie newspaper today & it said that the petition they put up to get people's views said two thirds of the 25,000 votes received were against it, which is great imo as the petition was only open a couple of days:) However, the PCT Public Health Director, Dr Andrew Mortimor said "Peoples views would be taken into account alongside scientific evidence before the final decision is made in January". Well we all know how they like to make so called 'scientific evidence' show in their favour.

What makes me laugh though is that they're basing their research on scientific studies about children's dental care, which admittedly is bad in certain parts of the country. It's a well known fact now in the UK that obtaining a dentist on the NHS is virtually impossible these days (which must be part of the push for fluoridation). If dental care was stepped up & made more readily available (like it should be) & not as much crappy sweets & drinks allowed (obviously parential decisions), then the kids teeth would be in better conditions, it's got bugger all to do with fluoride. Plus the fact that the money used for poisoning us could be far better used in providing better dental facilities. Although we all know they don't wanna do that as it's not part of their agenda at all:rolleyes: I'm sure they think the masses are that dumbed down already that they will be sit back & accept this & they obviously REALLY care about our kids teeth at the end of the day... yeah right they do:rolleyes:

I'll also be interested to see if they do actually contact everyone regarding this so that we can have our say. Although I'll be making sure I have my say without being asked too!!!

[truthseeker1980]

Well my email back is almost identical to Lookfar's and the Thames water one, I thought they were private compaies now, so why do they have the almost exact same letter for each company. The only explanation there is they have been given it by the government who were ready for our questions, as last year i received something different about having no plans to flouridate.

Thank you for your recent e-mail concerning the quality of water supplied to your property.



Three Valleys Water does not add fluoride to the water it supplies to customers. The level of Fluoride in the water supply to your area is approximately 0.18mg F/L. This is the natural fluoride level present in our raw water supply and it is well below the Prescribed/Specification Concentration or Values (PCV) of 1.50mg F/l, as listed in the Water Supply (Water Quality) Regulations 2000.



The Company supports the position taken by Water UK, the representative body of all UK water companies that the primary duty of a water company is to provide a sufficient and wholesome supply of water.



The proposed amendment to the Water Bill states that the decision whether to fluoridate a water supply is entirely a health issue and should therefore be made by public authority health professionals.



The water industry as a whole must remain neutral, but it will provide information to customers and organisations, as appropriate, on the technical issues of fluoridating water supplies.



If you would like any further information on this matter please feel free to contact the Water Quality Department on 01923 293205 or alternatively refer to the Water UK website: www.water.org.uk.



Regards,



Nancy Holman

Team Leader Sampler Centre

Water Quality Services

Three Valleys Water

[chrisstarrmovie]

Here is what I e-mailed health advisors in my state, feel free to e-mail them again, and again, and again until they get the picture.

VitalStat@odh.ohio.gov, HCComplaints@odh.ohio.gov, BEH@odh.ohio.gov, BEIS@odh.ohio.gov, LEAD@odh.ohio.gov, OPA@odh.ohio.gov

Much appreciated.

http://www.mbschachter.com/dangers_of_fluoride_and_fluorida.htm

Many scientists have been screaming the dangers of flouridation in water. As you should be aware, water is natural, flouride is not.

'Facts About Fluoride

So, what are some of the facts about fluoride? According to the handbook, Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, fluoride is more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It is a cumulative poison that accumulates in bone over the years. According to the Physicians Desk Reference, "in hypersensitive individuals, fluorides occasionally cause skin eruptions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, or urticaria. Gastric distress, headache, and weakness have also been reported. These hypersensitive reactions usually disappear promptly after discontinuation of the fluoride."



Most Americans are unaware of the dangers of ingesting fluoride. Most dentists, physicians and scientists are unaware of the dangers of fluoride and water fluoridation. According to a 1988 article in the prestigious Chemical and Engineering News, scientific voices of opposition to fluoridation have been suppressed, since 1950 when the U.S. Public Health Service first endorsed fluoridation. Power tactics including threats, ridicule and frank censorship aimed at scientists and clinicians knowledgeable about fluoridation have prevented the truth about fluoride to be disseminated to the science world as well as to the public. Whenever a public agency is charged with objectively evaluating the safety of a procedure while at the same time endorsing and recommending it, a serious conflict of interest is set up. This is exactly the position of the U.S. Public Health Service for the past 44 years.

We wonder where these 'mysterious' diseases come from, while at the same time we stuff chemicals in our water and tell the citizens to drink 8 glasses of a chemical almost as lethal as arsenic. According to scientific reports, substituting lead would be safer. If that doesn't make us reconsider 'saving childrens' cavities' over their lives, we cannot consider ourselves as citizens of any kind of humane country at all.


No snowflake ever felt responsible in an avalanche.

[chrisstarrmovie]

http://pupaganda.com/2008/03/22/activists-pressure-denver-water-board-to-remove-fluoride.aspx

Check that out. Denver is on the rise. Things are lookin' good, keep it up fam, we are steps away.

Also Check out this, it's a PDF on what water your baby should drink. Unfortunately instead of listing the healthy ones without flouride, it lists the unflouridated ones as if they should be avoided at all costs. At least we will know what water is safe, and what is not.

http://www.msdh.state.ms.us/msdhsite/_static/resources/2506.pdf

'Starting at 6 months, children who are
breast-feeding and not drinking water (with
fluoride) need 0.25mg of fluoride each day
to prevent tooth decay.'

SICK.

Useful information, from an un-useful source.

Which brands of bottled water do NOT contain
fluoride?
Unfortunately, several popular name brand bottled
waters do not currently produce water that contains
fluoride. (lol, unfortunately)

• Dasani
• Aquafina
• Nestle
• Evian
• Fiji
• Walmart Brand
• Kroger Brand

Remember if fluoride is not on the label, then it does
not have fluoride in it!

(Good to know!)

Keep with these brands for now, and check the labels from time to time.

[harris999]

Mine already got flouride in it :<

Havent drank out the tap for nearly a year now. Really annoys me how they can put that shit in my water without my consent.

[beldazar]

phone them up, tell them they have medicated your water without your consent and get them to buy you a water filter that removes it.
Or refuse to pay the bill, I would advise to check with C.A.B to see where you stand.

[mr_pixie]

phone them up, tell them they have medicated your water without your consent and get them to buy you a water filter that removes it.
Or refuse to pay the bill, I would advise to check with C.A.B to see where you stand.

The problem with the CAB is that it has NWO agents in there, mixed in with good people who want to help others.

[airkraft]

I rang my water supplier and asked what chemicals they use to clean the water, and they put me through to the lab. A Lab technician told me all the processes that they do and what chemicals were used, fortunately flouride isnt one of them, but it did open my eyes to what else goes in.

Its not just flouride you have to watch out for, chlorine and aluminium gets added to water during "purification" aswel, they use chlorine,obviously in WHO stated safe doses, to kill bacteria, so I did a bit of research on chlorine and found its a very dangerous chemical. The aluminium is added to congeal the dirt in the water and then "most if it is filtered out.....this is our clean safe drinking water.

I was told that the largest organ in the human body is our skin, and we absorb a tremendous amount of chemicals though it. When you wash in the water from your tap, you are absobing all the chemicals they use to "clean" it....not good. I only drink bottled water now, it cost a few bob more, but worth it i think. I want to invest in a filtration system for my whole house that gets rid of all the nasties, but the cost is quite a lot. I believe that Britta filters are not really any good, and are just a con, but not 100% sure about that.

[lookfar]

I rang my water supplier and asked what chemicals they use to clean the water, and they put me through to the lab. A Lab technician told me all the processes that they do and what chemicals were used, fortunately flouride isnt one of them, but it did open my eyes to what else goes in.

Its not just flouride you have to watch out for, chlorine and aluminium gets added to water during "purification" aswel, they use chlorine,obviously in WHO stated safe doses, to kill bacteria, so I did a bit of research on chlorine and found its a very dangerous chemical. The aluminium is added to congeal the dirt in the water and then "most if it is filtered out.....this is our clean safe drinking water.

I was told that the largest organ in the human body is our skin, and we absorb a tremendous amount of chemicals though it. When you wash in the water from your tap, you are absobing all the chemicals they use to "clean" it....not good. I only drink bottled water now, it cost a few bob more, but worth it i think. I want to invest in a filtration system for my whole house that gets rid of all the nasties, but the cost is quite a lot. I believe that Britta filters are not really any good, and are just a con, but not 100% sure about that.

Hi airkraft & welcome to the forum:)

Good onya for speaking to the lab there, I wasn't aware that they added aluminium for the filtering process, it's shocking what goes on isn't it:eek: I'm glad I've got my distiller at home, it helps to know that not all the water I consume has crap in it.

I hope you enjoy it here & look forward to seeing you around...:)

[airkraft]

Thankyou for the welcome.

Yes I was very much surprised about what the process is for "cleaning our tap water.

[ethanmya]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

Nice one.

[neotheone]

Well it is unbelievable how shameless the governments are.......down here in India, we are struggling with high fluoride content in the ground water and government has an elaborate plan for providing clean and fluorine free water (although it is not as effective as we would have liked because of corruption and incompetence among the bureaucrats) . Yet is it common knowledge here in India that fluoride causes several health issues.

Check out this report : http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/06/stories/2008070650410300.htm

I recently heard to icke for the first time, but almost everything that he says appears to make sense.....I hope you guys succeed with this effort and off course ,with the larger fight ..... come on lads, take your countries back .

[the_red_jester]

you bet flourine/flourides over a certain concentration (can't remember the ppm at the moment!) has harmful effects. It is know to seriously damage the endocrine system - the system of 7 major glands in the body which are directly associated with the seven chakras. the amount found in toothpaste is ok since a very small amount of flourine/flouride in ones diet is ok to help flush out the other heavy metals from your system. As for chlorinated water it is equally poisonous (since from the modern periodic table chlorine is one row down from flourine) and lots of medical studies in the US have linked it to colon cancer:
"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose
water does not contain chlorine."
US COUNCIL OF ENVIROMENTAL QUALITY
"Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one
disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking
water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began."
SAGINAW HOSPITAL - DR J.M. PRICE
best is to get a reverse osmosis filter fitted which will remove both impurities. In the mean time get one of those Britta filters or similar, it certainly gets rid of the chlorides from the water but not sure on flourine since it is half the size of the chlorine atom . Also boil all water for a minimum of 7-10mins to remove parasites like flukes which are known to cause a whole host of medical problems (they get everywhere in the body inc. up into the brain causing depression etc. see the article in Mexico of women with fluke in her brain thinking it was flu!!!).

Stay safe everyone & peace be with you

[electron2012]

Apparently Evian contains more flouride than mouthwash. Can't remember where I read that though but will try and find out.



I don't think this is true!

Evian doesn't mention fluoride in the breakdown, wheras a lot of bottled waters nowadays do.

[vladmir]

im inspired, im going to contact the Water DEpt. of my area too.

[vince2468motorway]

Apparently Evian contains more flouride than mouthwash. Can't remember where I read that though but will try and find out.

Evian, i do believe is also laced with fluoride..

I would suggest getting a distiller ... I paid about £120 from china using e-bay about two years ago and its still working fine...

link;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-New-Water-Distiller-Pure-Water-Purifier-Filter-K_W0QQitemZ400035205885QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_BOI_M edical_Lab_Equipment_Medical_Equipment_Instruments _ET?hash=item400035205885&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1686|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

It would do good for anyone using distilled water to take extra supplements that natural water would usually have..
A good substitute i found to be himalayan crystal salts from the primal sea..

link;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Himalayan-Crystal-Salt-500g_W0QQitemZ280287079124QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_He athBeauty_BathShowCons_RL?hash=item280287079124&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

Use instead of refined salt, as that also has aluminium in it....

[vince2468motorway]

I have refused to pay my water bills now for 5 years! I have a £3000 bill, they have threatend me with bailifts now for over a year and Im still not budging. :D

Dont give em nothing,, You hang in there, Its not going to mean anything soon enough anyway...

The people are waking up to these evil people and they will start to lose the game quickly.

Theres no such thing as debt or property rights if you really work it out..

Just numbers and lies... But thats changing.

[vince2468motorway]

This is from the Thames water website. I did not know that fluoride occurred naturally in soil and rocks? I thought it was only a by product of aluminum production?

Fluoride occurs naturally in soils and rocks and can therefore be found in raw water. The concentration of fluoride depends on the type of soil and rock the water passes through. Fluoride levels in drinking water of 1 mg/l (1 part per million) are considered to have health benefits by reducing the incidence of tooth decay. The decision to fluoridate water supplies is taken by your local Strategic Health Authority - not by Thames Water. Your Health Authority should be contacted for further details on fluoridation.

Thames Water supplies have a natural concentration of between 0.1 – 0.4 mg/l. In the areas to the south and west of Reading the concentrations can be higher, typically around 1 mg/l.

Fluoride is not currently added to water supplies by Thames Water.

There is no... Reapeat, NO physical benefit from fluoride,, Including dental health...

Fluoride is accumilative in the body as your elimination systems do no know how to deal with it...
Fluoride is a carcinogen and can have drastic effects on thought processes over time... Im sure you have heard the term "DUMBING DOWN"..

One of my main problems with fluoride is the fact that it is actually stored the only way the body knows how ,, And the storage vessel happens to be the "pineal gland" or third eye.
By the time we are eight years old, Our pineal glands are almost completely blocked with accumilated fluoride and the calcium that is attracted to it..

Can you imagine how this would affect the process of consciousness of a human being?

In birds for example,, They are able to tell where north is through iron particles being attracted north within the waters of the pineal gland...

Should we be able to do that? What else should we be able to do?

I have read from the scriptures of shamans and elders that before we were "tampered" with, We were a superbeing human race with powers of elevation,telekenisis,psychoenergy, wordless conversations with each other.

This could have been so many thousands of years ago,, Think about it,, Then think about the possible crimes that have been done against our evolution...

[beldazar]

Hi Vince, this post may help...

From Jason2407,,,

Further infoon decalcification of Pineal Gland

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hey guys, great thread.

I found this info that some guy posted online back in 2001 - more research needed but it sounds promising.....

"If you need to decalcify your pineal gland. Heres what you do.

Eat raw uncooked foods (High in tryptophan).

Lock yourself in a darkroom for at least a month (Light isolation). This will stimulate the realease of massive amounts of melatonine.

Lots of tryptophan and melatonine will decalcify your pineal gland and it will secrete significant amounts of DMT (dimethyltryptamine), 5-Meo-DMT, and Pinoline (an MAO inhibitor)"

I hope thats of some use.

Peace Always


Taken from this thread...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50407

[luckyjag]

good for you im doing the same if we dont speak out then who will and they will do what they want you got to try your best

[luckyjag]

i have filtered my water for a long time it tastes foul so somethings not right it cant be good for you do you think filtering it helps am emailing them anyway

[beldazar]

i have filtered my water for a long time it tastes foul so somethings not right it cant be good for you do you think filtering it helps am emailing them anyway


Filtering doesnt remove flouride though, I admit it does taste better but to remove flouride you need reverse-osmosis. Distilling takes it out but makes it too pure, some of the good stuff is also removed

[1freethinker]

Ever wonder why it's called Evian? Reverse it. They're laughing all the way to the bank; I imagine it's tap water.

geez:eek: never a dull moment on this site for me.:D

anyone know of a thread here dedicated to anagrams like this?

[pduffy4]

For those with deep pockets get your own Flouride testing kit
Hach Pocket Colorimeter For Fluoride MKII (http://www.camlab.co.uk/item.asp?itemid=37361&categoryid=1434&key=&letter=&browsecategoryid=0)

[bornfree]

When you look at the water map

http://www.dwi.gov.uk/consumer/concerns/fluoridemap.pdf

Notice anything conspicuos by its absence?

Only the names of the major cities that are flouridated.... Birmingham & Newcastle!!! Another thing struck me. Dont these areas also have a bit of a reputation historically as agitators against the state? (Trade Unions were pretty damn popular in those areas).

Flouride = prozac
Flouride = rat poison
Flouride = Neurotoxic

But it might be good for my teeth so i'll buy that for a dollar!

[beldazar]

that map is up to 2008, wonder what the situation is now?

[steevo]

Does anyone have a link showing that Fluoride is the main ingredient in rat poisen ?

[beldazar]

Does anyone have a link showing that Fluoride is the main ingredient in rat poisen ?

Dunno Steevo, Ive just tried googling, I was very dismayed with the results :(

"rat poison found in HPV vaccine", what a surprise!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enGB289GB289&q=rat+poison+ingredients+

[steevo]

Dunno Steevo, Ive just tried googling, I was very dismayed with the results :(

"rat poison found in HPV vaccine", what a surprise!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBR_enGB289GB289&q=rat+poison+ingredients+

Thanks Bel :)

Here is what I have found but it doesnt mention rats :-


From the "Introduction" to Chapter 7, "Fluorine-containing insecticides", by R. L. Metcalf (Handb. exp. Pharmacol. XX.1, pp. 355-386, Springer, Berlin-Heidelberg-New York, 1966):

"Fluorine has played a significant role in insect control since about 1896 when sodium fluoride and various iron fluorides were patented in England as insecticides. Sodium fluoride was used in the United States for cockroach control before 1900 and was introduced in 1915 for the control of poultry lice. However, the use of fluorine insecticides did not become general until the 1930´s when the disadvantages of arsenical residues on food crops became apparent and the inorganic fluorine compounds were introduced as safer substitutes. Systematic investigation of organofluorine insecticides began about 1935 in the I. G. Farbenindustrie and the fluoroalcohols and fluorophosphates (phosphorofluoridates) were intensively investigated largely through the research of Schrader (1952). During World War II fluoro-DDT or "Gix" was used for the control of insects of medical importance. More recently, fluoroacetamide and analogues have been used as systemic insecticides and a large variety of other fluorinated organic compounds have shown insecticidal activity. Sulfuryl fluoride has recently been marketed as a fumigant for household and structural pests..."



Alvord and Dietz, of Grasselli Chemical Company, Cleveland, Ohio, point out certain problems with the use of soluble fluorides as insecticides (Ind. Eng. Chem. 25 (June 1933) 629-633):

"The fact that sodium fluoride would control certain types of insects had been known for many years, but all attempts to use it and other fluorine compounds on plants failed because of plant injury. Progress along the line of utilizing the fluorine compounds in this connection really began with the discovery by Roark that the relatively insoluble fluorides would not injure the foliage and would control certain insects. About the time of this discovery, the Grasselli Chemical Company began to experiment with barium fluosilicate. The development of this material was held back for several years because of plant injury following its use, and it was not until the discovery, quite by accident, that the injury was due to an unsuspected impurity and that the pure compound was in reality safe to most foliage, that rapid progress was made."


Source (http://www.fluoride-history.de/p-insecticides.htm)

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enGB289GB289&q=%22history+of%22+%22rat+poison%22+fluoride&meta=

[ustane]

Just to let you know:

If you add flouride to my water I shall cease my direct debit payments to you as it then becomes medicated water without my consent.

GOOD!! Well done

[jp13]

I work for an electric company, I know for a fact that if you tamper with your electric meter, the company will not take you to court for it, because it costs them too much to do so. I'm not advocating meter tampering because it can be very dangerous, it can also be done safely if you know what you are doing. I'm just stating that the company I work for do not prosecute

ALSO, they NEVER cut anyones electric off, no matter what. because they've had an inccident in the past when an elderly ladies power was cut off and she died. Legally that puts them up shit creek, so they no longer cut off power.

I remember when this happened, I hope it hasn't been mentioned already, but all the Power companies did was to put people onto "Keymeters" that way when your meter ran out of money you effectively cut yourself off, and the power company was not responsible.

[mariantisocial]

I remember when this happened, I hope it hasn't been mentioned already, but all the Power companies did was to put people onto "Keymeters" that way when your meter ran out of money you effectively cut yourself off, and the power company was not responsible.

EDf energy cut me off for two weeks until i paid them.

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