Arthritis +

[btrayd]

Hello,

I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis,throughout my body (the drs did not even try for any other diagnosis once they saw my x-rays and mri) and Chondromalacia . So, my bones grow spurs and ridges and eat away at the softening cartilage. herniated discs in my back, along with spondylosis. My tendons in my shoulders are always inflamed, as well as my IT bands in my legs.
And apparently my ulnar nerve likes to go walkabout.

This all happened within 1 year--running, martial arts, etc. Now, pain and disbelief at how helpless I can be. And I'm not exaggerating the 1 year bit. Xrays less than 400 days before show no arthritis and then BAM and the drs don't believe the evidence before them.

Any suggestions on possible diet or supplements. I am trying to do tai chi right now but have to do it all in a back stance because my left leg won't support my weight.

[302bluefog]

How old are you? celebrex?

[btrayd]

I'm 45 and just say no to celebrex -bad juju

[icke_is_right]

I haven't got this condition but I've covered a lot on bone demineralisation in my studies because I have a knee problem and shoulder problem. They are quite mild.

You need to be detoxed. Amalgam removed if you have any and done properly. In such an exteme case, you need to take further action. You need to find what you're deficient in via blood tests, then if it's severe, take intravenous therapy which will get minerals into your system fast.

My own view would be to try an organic 80 10 10 diet. I presume that you are consuming milk and meat. From what I understand, higher protein diets can in turn contribute to bone demineralisation as too can consumption of milk, especially pasteurised stuff.

In this field, I'm not an expert. However, these are some pointers that you might not be aware of, you can decide yourself.

I've read the 'Calcium Factor'. Though I don't agree with some of the things in this, it has very interesting points about Vit D3 and Coral Calcium.

Vit D3 is key in a lot of diseases.

You can obtain Coral Calcium from:

http://www.healthleadsuk.com/supplements/mineral-supplements/coral-calcium-capsules.html

This was sourced from Okinawa before February. (So they tell me). However their Vits come from China, although they are better than most which have crap in them!

[btrayd]

Thanks icke_is_right,

I don't drink milk although I will have an occasional hot cocoa but I am a meat eater, usually chicken and fish.

I do have amalgams in my mouth but I don't know if I can get them out. No money and no current way of getting money with my system going haywire. the proverbial catch 22 I guess.

I was going to a sunbed for a while or Helio therapy as I like to call it. I am pale and will never have a tan but I do feel better after going into a sunbed. Gets my body producing its vitamin D. I cannot get out of them now so I have stopped going. I will have to supplement with D3, a very good idea :)

[mikelambert]

Hello,

I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis,throughout my body (the drs did not even try for any other diagnosis once they saw my x-rays and mri) and Chondromalacia . So, my bones grow spurs and ridges and eat away at the softening cartilage. herniated discs in my back, along with spondylosis. My tendons in my shoulders are always inflamed, as well as my IT bands in my legs.
And apparently my ulnar nerve likes to go walkabout.

This all happened within 1 year--running, martial arts, etc. Now, pain and disbelief at how helpless I can be. And I'm not exaggerating the 1 year bit. Xrays less than 400 days before show no arthritis and then BAM and the drs don't believe the evidence before them.

Any suggestions on possible diet or supplements. I am trying to do tai chi right now but have to do it all in a back stance because my left leg won't support my weight.

As a lifetime Martial Arts practitioner myself I have come across a fair amount of injuries. OA as you know is usually associated with wear and tear of the joints mainly the knees and hips. However, I also believe there may be a connection with diet and lack of Digestizymes in particular. Food that does not get properly digested can find its way into the tissue of the joints where it is stored out of the way, and in response to this the immune system releases Histamine and Prostaglandins which inflame the tissue in a bid to get it out. This could be the cause of a lot of inflammation, and may crystallise causing wear and damage to the joints. Although pain killers can deal with the pain, caution should be exercised with their use (a) because they are damaging to the organs of the body and (2) they mask natures warning that something is wrong, and in doing this the condition may progress without your knowledge. Tea, and caffeine containing drinks can exacerbate arthritis by causing dehydration. Stop drinking these. You need to keep your intake of pure water at around 4 pints per day to ensure plenty of fluid around the joints, which is essential for healthy joints. If poss. do not eat refined and processed foods, go for natural high micronutrient rich foods. Avoid Acidic Fruit Salt Saturated Fats. Get yourself a good book on diet. Tai-Chi Yoga and Qi Gong but always find an experienced knowledgable instructor. You may wish to take Glucosamine (initially around 500mg with each meal until improvement, then reduce), Omega Fish Oil (not cod liver oil) Vit C. Digestizymes. always go for quality. Treating yourself blind can complicate matters. You know what they say "talks cheap" Talk to a complementary practitioner familiar with your condition, and work with them in putting a plan together. If you would prefer to deal with your GP that's fine.

[canuckster]

Google wheat belly

All will be explained

[btrayd]

Thanks, mikelambert some good ideas in there. Any opinions on SAMe and flax oil instead of fish oil?

Thanks, canuckster, but totally in appropriate. I don't eat wheat.


Is it possibly related to vaccinations and such? (military service,don't hate, I was stupid,and I've had tons of crap shot into me)
I understand that there are over 100 ailments that go under the term "arthritis" but as I said in my previous post, once they saw the x-rays (and before they saw them, to be honest) they latched onto osteoarthritis. My mother has psoriasis but I don't, that I know off, but there is psoriasis arthritis in my family history.

[canuckster]

Thanks, mikelambert some good ideas in there. Any opinions on SAMe and flax oil instead of fish oil?

Thanks, canuckster, but totally in appropriate. I don't eat wheat.


Is it possibly related to vaccinations and such? (military service,don't hate, I was stupid,and I've had tons of crap shot into me)
I understand that there are over 100 ailments that go under the term "arthritis" but as I said in my previous post, once they saw the x-rays (and before they saw them, to be honest) they latched onto osteoarthritis. My mother has psoriasis but I don't, that I know off, but there is psoriasis arthritis in my family history.

Wheat may not be the problem, my jiu jitsu coach, his wife, who was on meds for 15 years for arthritis, it was discovered to be an intolerance to carbohydrates. Since on the diet, she's needed no meds whatsoever.

[alisa2]

http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/1239.html


12 page report written by Dale Alexander says that he cured his mother of arthritis with cod liver oil. He writes:

" When you take cod liver oil properly, the body converts it into proper quality lubricating fluid. The lining of the joint absorbs the nutrients and fatty substances from the cod liver oil.

You must mix one tablespoon of the cod liver oil with 2 ounces of whole milk. Shake thoroughly to emulsify the oil. This is extremely important. And you must take it on an empty stomach. If you don't like milk, use freshly squeezed orange juice. If taken in the morning, wait a full two hours before you eat or drink anything else. If taken in the evening, wait at least four hours before you eat or drink anything."

He also recommends fasting. More details can be found the book he wrote- mentioned in this article http://www.drmirkin.com/joints/1239.html

[btrayd]

Thanks canuckster. I am checking into a diet plan

Thanks alisa2, I scanned through the link and did a search on that site. It seems to be referencing Rheumatoid or reactive arthritis. I, supposedly, don't have that type.

I appreciate all who try to help

[alisa2]

Thanks canuckster. I am checking into a diet plan

Thanks alisa2, I scanned through the link and did a search on that site. It seems to be referencing Rheumatoid or reactive arthritis. I, supposedly, don't have that type.

I appreciate all who try to help

ok. Here's what the report says about Osteoarthritis:

Research indicates that damaged cartilage can be replaced by healthy new cartilage. Therefore, treatment of osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis should focus on both inhibiting cartilage breakdown and promoting cartilage repair. Glucosamine Sulfate can do both. Glucosamine is a naturally occurring amino sugar that is necessary for construction of connective tissue. ...


You may want to do more research on Glucosamine.

[boudica52]

By Marie Suszynski

Medically reviewed by Niya Jones, MD, MPH

Vitamin D got its nickname, "the sunshine vitamin," because sun exposure helps promote vitamin D production in the body. This essential nutrient is also found naturally in a few foods such as oily fish (mackerel, salmon) and is used to fortify milk, baby formula, cereal, and juice. But changing lifestyles and diets mean that many of us are lacking in vitamin D. In fact, it's estimated that about 75 percent of American teens and adults don't get enough vitamin D, and studies suggest that this may play a role in several chronic diseases, including arthritis.

Just what role does vitamin D play in arthritis and arthritis symptoms? "It's hard to know at what level it's working," says Carolyn Dean, MD, ND, the Maui, Hawaii-based medical director for the Nutritional Magnesium Association and author of Future Health Now Encyclopedia. Vitamin D may affect arthritis pain by affecting the joints directly or by interacting with the immune system, she adds.

Arthritis and Vitamin D: What the Research Says

Research has found that vitamin D may play a significant role in joint health, and that low levels may increase the risk of rheumatologic conditions such as arthritis. Several studies have found low blood levels of vitamin D in patients with osteoarthritis of the hip and knee. In another study of more than 2,000 people, researchers found that vitamin D deficiency was strongly associated with disabling symptoms among those with rheumatoid arthritis. While it may be true that people with arthritis don't get as much sun exposure — exposure to the sun helps promote vitamin D production in the body — the study authors adjusted for that and still found that being vitamin D deficient was linked to arthritis pain.

In the United States, studies have also suggested that women who live in northern states, and hence tend to get less daily sun exposure, may be at higher risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis compared with women living at more southern latitudes. In a recent study of data from the Nurses' Health Study, researchers found women who lived in the northeastern United States had a significantly higher risk of rheumatoid arthritis.

Getting Enough Vitamin D

In addition to helping prevent arthritis, getting enough vitamin D may also lower the risk for other autoimmune diseases, cancer, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, bone fractures, depression, and even the flu.
If vitamin D has the potential to improve your arthritis symptoms and your overall health, you want to know that you're getting enough.


There is a proven link between vitamin D and bone health, as the above article points out. You would be well to get your vitamin D levels tested by a 25-hydroxy vitamin D test. In the mean time you will know if you have been practising sun avoidance. For a month before taking the test try the following; either take 10,000iu's Vitamin D3, Vitamin K2 100mcg and magnesium supplements daily or if you live in sunny climbes sun bath daily without sunscreen for between 5-15 minutes (depending on sun sensitivity) between the hours of 10am to 3 pm. Still take the magnesium and K2 (if you are on blood thinning medication only take K2 with a doctors help). For further advice on dosage see Dr Cannell's work on the Vitamin D Council website. The results can be miraculous!

[jp13]

I've been getting extreme pain in my knee's upon awakening for 4 years or so. The last time I went to the Doctors I saw a different Doctor from the one I usually see (he always say's "it's arthritis" and leaves it at that) the other doctor I saw prescribed me Glucosamine Sulphate 1.5Mg I think that was the dose, once a day. I didn't notice anything for about a week, then relief. I hadn't changed my diet so I thought it must be down to the GS. After being on these for 2 or 3 months the original Doctor said there is no proof that these pills work and were the equivalent of a placebo, and in line with the PCT he would not be prescribing them any more, even went to the trouble of writing me a letter saying all this. So far so good, I've been off them about 2 weeks now and only had a couple of days waking in pain. I might have to buy them from Pharmacy as they won't prescribe them. So they probably aren't a cure all, but might be worth a try. I know your condition is much more serious than mine, have you thought about acupuncture?

[btrayd]

Thanks to everyone for their input.

I take Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM, Vitamin D3, and Vitamin C as supplements. I am also trying Apple Cider Vinegar Tablets.

I would love to try acupuncture but there are no practitioners near me.

The problem with a Dr deciding to call it "arthritis" is they stop looking for the problems' root cause and just attribute it to the body wearing down. There are over 100 ailments lumped under arthritis. If they would search for the specific problem, I would think that it would be easier to get some relief. But, instead you get written off. At least there is visible damage to my bones so they can't say it's all in my head (that was their first try before imaging, along with implying that I was "faking" it)

Another problem is that the hospital has a dietician but not a nutritionist. I asked her about foods to avoid and she hadn't a clue. She just related everything to calories in and calories out as opposed to food being a building block for the body.

[btrayd]

By the way,

Anyone here have any experience with Guyon's canal syndrome?

[boudica52]

What problem was studied?
Poor intake of vitamin K, a fat-soluble vitamin present in leafy, green vegetables and some vegetable oils, is a common problem with potentially negative effects on a number of body systems and functions, including joint health. Insufficient vitamin K can result in abnormal cartilage and bone mineralization and thus possibly the formation of osteophytes (“bone spurs”) that are seen in osteoarthritis (OA). Arthritis Foundation postdoctoral fellow Tuhina Neogi, MD, and colleagues undertook a study to determine if poor vitamin K status is associated with the features of OA seen on X-ray.

What was done in the study?
The researchers conducted an analysis of 672 participants in the Framingham Offspring study, a study of the adult children (and their spouses) of the original Framingham Heart Study, which was designed to study the incidence and prevalence of cardiovascular disease and its risk factors over time. The study participants had already had blood tests to measure levels of phylloquinone (the primary form of vitamin K) between 1996 and 1998 as well as hand and knee X-rays between 2002 and 2004.

The investigators calculated the prevalence of OA, bone spurs and joint-space narrowing (an indication of cartilage destruction) in the participants’ joints in each of four ranges of blood phylloquinone levels. Results of those in the highest-level phylloquinone groups were compared with those in the lowest group. The researchers conducted the analyses in hands and knees separately, accounting for a number of factors – including age, sex, body mass index, total energy intake and bone mineral density.

What were the study results?
The prevalence of osteoarthritis, bone spurs, and joint-space narrowing decreased significantly with increasing blood levels of phylloquinone. In other words, people who had the highest vitamin K levels had the least severe OA as evidenced by the number of joints affected and the severity of affected joints.

These observational data support the hypothesis of an association between low plasma levels of vitamin K and increased prevalence of OA manifestations in the hand and knee.

What is the relevance to people with osteoarthritis?
Although research has yet to prove that consuming a diet rich in vitamin K will actually prevent osteoarthritis or repair damage that has occurred, it does suggest that vitamin K may help slow or stop the progression of OA. Foods that are good sources of vitamin K include spinach, leaf lettuce, broccoli, kale, asparagus and olive, soy bean and canola oils. The same research group has been awarded another Arthritis Foundation award to further study vitamin K and OA in a clinical trial.

Neogi T, Booth SL, Zhang YQ, et al. Low vitamin K status is associated with osteoarthritis in the hand and knee. Arthritis Rheum 2006;54:1255–61. PMID: 16572460

[302bluefog]

My mother has psoriasis but I don't, that I know off, but there is psoriasis arthritis in my family history.

That might be what you need to look into since you have bone spurs...

psoriatic arthritis can do serious joint damage...

And alot of people dont know they have it till it's to late...

http://www.medicinenet.com/psoriatic_arthritis/article.htm

http://www.psoriasis.org/psoriatic-arthritis/diagnosis

[sicknote]

btrayd...

Read this: http://www.doctorsforpain.com/pdf/Foods_That_Trigger_Pain.pdf

Avoid ALL.



Then start drinking nettle, dandelion, ginger, parsley herbal teas etc on an empty stomach.

http://www.teabenefits.com/tea-remedies/tea-for-arthritis.html




Start looking into single herbal liquid extracts such as yucca, devils claw etc & mixing them into your tea's.

http://www.healthaid.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.aspx?id=66&cat=Single+Herbal+liquids


Your arthritis won't be sticking around for long I can assure you of that.

You will start moving like the wind.

[btrayd]

Sicknote, thanks for the links.

When I saw avoid all chocolates I became very sad. I don't eat it often but will admit that dark chocolate is heaven. My personal reward in this world. The coconut is also strange since I have been told by others to use coconut oil in cooking. The others are either out of my life or on their way out--caffeine is the kicker, I am trying to find an herbal tea I enjoy as much as my black/green teas. The list with the teas will be helpful in this endeavor

[btrayd]

boudica52, thanks for your info. I have added K2 to my list of supplements.

Pretty soon I won't need to eat at all, I am taking so many supplements!

[domathy]

No corn-fed chicken. Arthritis can be induced in animals by giving them corn fed chicken. Birds have no separate urinary tract, so they re-absorb acids and fungal byproducts from the corn into their tissues. If you eat the chicken, all the crap goes into your own body. The body uses calcium etc to convert liquid acids into less dangerous solid acid crystals, and then throws them away from from vital organs, out to extremeties and joins for storage - hence the arthritis. Its actually a protective mechanism but the deposits build up and cause pain, as you are now experiencing.

[smithers jones]

Detoxify and alkalize yourself,an "itis" of any sort is an inflammatory response to acidosis.
I'm not a doctor so what do i know!!

[sicknote]

Sicknote, thanks for the links.

When I saw avoid all chocolates I became very sad. I don't eat it often but will admit that dark chocolate is heaven. My personal reward in this world. The coconut is also strange since I have been told by others to use coconut oil in cooking. The others are either out of my life or on their way out--caffeine is the kicker, I am trying to find an herbal tea I enjoy as much as my black/green teas. The list with the teas will be helpful in this endeavor


No worries btrayd. You don't have to cut out chocolate but that doesn't mean you gorge on it all day neither. Just keep it in moderation.

Personally, the tea's?. FANTASTIC. Supplements don't come close in my personal experience, the body doesn't seem to absorb the nutrients as good. All I will say is, do the research, if you don't like the tea's, TRY to stick with them, stay strong, drain the body in them on an empty stomach & they will get the joints moving great again.

Herbs, plants, weeds in teas. There the power.

http://www.teabenefits.com/

Forget drugs.

[octopus]

No corn-fed chicken. Arthritis can be induced in animals by giving them corn fed chicken. Birds have no separate urinary tract, so they re-absorb acids and fungal byproducts from the corn into their tissues. If you eat the chicken, all the crap goes into your own body. The body uses calcium etc to convert liquid acids into less dangerous solid acid crystals, and then throws them away from from vital organs, out to extremeties and joins for storage - hence the arthritis. Its actually a protective mechanism but the deposits build up and cause pain, as you are now experiencing.

Very true, domathy, I will have to to finally take chicken off my menu, although I do like it a lot.


Btrayd, you have had a lot of recommendations of what not to eat.
Here's a recommendation of what you should eat (drink):

Get yourself a juicer (a cheap one will do just as well as an expensive one) and make fresh fruit/vegetable juice every morning and take this instead of any other breakfast. This is what I am doing at the moment.

Somedays I extend this to replacing my lunch with juice as well.

You could even do a complete juice routine and take nothing but juice for a while, but this might cause you unpleasant detox reactions.

I have a tendency towards osteoarthritis as well and was getting stiffer and stiffer. As I know that doctors know nothing about nutrition I have learned as much as I could about it myself. I am currently reading 'How We Heal' by Douglas Morrison and the nutritional advice in that book is excellent.

Ickeisright wrote earlier:
My own view would be to try an organic 80 10 10 diet. I presume that you are consuming milk and meat. From what I understand, higher protein diets can in turn contribute to bone demineralisation as too can consumption of milk, especially pasteurised stuff.

This is correct and you should drastically reduce protein consumption during your healing efforts in order to allow your body to rebalance its calcium levels.


By drinking juice you will supply your body with the necessary vitamins and minerals in natural form, rather than from synthetic production, which can be harmful for the body.

If you add some flaxseed oil to your daily juice you will get even more benefits, as essential fatty acids are crucial fro the proper functioning of enzymes and hormones.

I have been drinking juice every morning for 3 months now and I can feel and see the improvements!


Ingredients depending on availability:

juiced:
1 apple, varying amounts of carrot, beetroot, cellery sticks, celeriak, courgette, marrow, pumpkin/squash, celeriak, ginger, jerusalem artichoke, augergine, lime, lettuce hearts (leftover from making salads), ...

added:
lemon juice, cinnamon (to help with processing with sugars), optional one raw eggyolk, flax seed oil!

Drink immediatly and wait an hour before eating anything else.


I have also started to learn about iridology, and analysing my own eyes has confirmed what I had suspected all along.
Here is an example for an iris indicating acidic conditions, which are also connected to psoriasis:

Have rash, itch, allergy from acid? - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bXBCi1_Qj4&feature=related

[jm852]

Hello,

I have been diagnosed with osteoarthritis,throughout my body (the drs did not even try for any other diagnosis once they saw my x-rays and mri) and Chondromalacia . So, my bones grow spurs and ridges and eat away at the softening cartilage. herniated discs in my back, along with spondylosis. My tendons in my shoulders are always inflamed, as well as my IT bands in my legs.
And apparently my ulnar nerve likes to go walkabout.

This all happened within 1 year--running, martial arts, etc. Now, pain and disbelief at how helpless I can be. And I'm not exaggerating the 1 year bit. Xrays less than 400 days before show no arthritis and then BAM and the drs don't believe the evidence before them.

Any suggestions on possible diet or supplements. I am trying to do tai chi right now but have to do it all in a back stance because my left leg won't support my weight.

Hope this helps you

[octopus]

Hi btrayd,

just wondering how you are getting on with your arthritis.
Hope it's improved.

:)

[btrayd]

Hi btrayd,

just wondering how you are getting on with your arthritis.
Hope it's improved.

:)

Thanks for checking on me. :)

I am doing better; I think. I did break down and have some injections in my spine--It's amazing to be able to stand upright again!

I am trying to adjust to being an invisible handicapped person. :( I look fine, I'm not fat, I don't have any visible deformities. So, obviously I am a faker. I have a temporary handicapped card now while I wait a permanent one but I get grief for it.

I am in a group for exercising and we all have different problems but we are left with people who don't believe what we say or cannot understand what our profiles instruct. (we all have papers which explain our limitations) Like, I can ride a recumbent stationary bike for 30 min max after that I no longer feel my feet and I just shuffle around but the work out period is 60 minutes and they want me to just go for a walk then for 30 min and I tell them no. Drives them nuts :D
Loving on some water aerobics!

I am getting quotes on redoing my house to handicapped accessible but trying to get grants is a nightmare!

I think that the teas are really helping though:) Nettle tea takes some getting used to, tastes like a cup of peat-moss :D

Again, thanks for the check back and I hope all is going well with you.

[octopus]

I am trying to adjust to being an invisible handicapped person. :(



Glad to hear that you are coping better, but I still hope that you can get back to full health. We shouldn't settle for less and always try to get as well as possible.

I know I said this before, but I would really give the fruit/veg juices a try. No need to overdo it, just a couple of glasses in the morning should make a difference over time.


I think that the teas are really helping though:) Nettle tea takes some getting used to, tastes like a cup of peat-moss :D



I don't like nettle on its own either, I always take it in combination:
Twinings does a tea called Cleanse with spearmint, milk thistle and Nettle, to which I add white tea with peppermint (Clipper) - tastes nice, it's healthy and very refreshing.

Wishing you all the best, o

[octopus]

I just found this interesting video by Dr. Teitelbaum:

useful supplements and NAET accupuncture treatment for arthritis

http://www.ihealthtube.com/aspx/viewvideo.aspx?v=9e5a0797a0b17502

[canuckster]

Go read the book wheat belly, seriously

[btrayd]

Thanks to all those who have been offering suggestions and help.
People on the whole are pretty decent, it is only when dealing with those in "authority" or "power" that you cease to be remotely human and just another piece of paper for the bureaucracy.

I am thoroughly excited about a random kindness I have experienced.

I am not home most of the week but people watch out for my house and the told me SOMEBODY REPLACED MY BROKEN MAILBOX!!!!! How wonderful! It was something I could not do for myself at the moment and with trying to get the house adapted, I couldn't afford to pay someone to fix it for ages.

When I get home I will make a big thank you sign and attach it to the mailbox.

[boudica52]

Glad to be of service!

[octopus]

Hi Btrayd, I just thought you might be interested in this:


Last week I came across this remedy and it was very successful with two friends of mine who were both suffering form inflammation and pain.

It's very simple:

Pour the juice of one lemon and some water into a pint size glass and add a small amount of bicarbonate of soda - try to get aluminium free, you can order it online.

Wait till the fizz has gone down and add more bicarb, repeat until there is no more fizzing up - the solution has now been neutralized.

This solution will taste slightly salty but it's well worth putting up with the taste.

You can drink this up to three times a day if you need it.

It should give you pain relief and over time will help to reduce acidity in your body and reduce the inflammation in the joints.

All the best, o

[btrayd]

Thanks Octopus.

I've been up since 2am with the pain flaring through my knees and feet.

I saw a doctor yesterday. his nurse takes you back to a room to get your vitals (she did not close the door but it was so far back in the room I decided not to make a big fuss)
She was aware of my back problems and I also pointed out that I fidget and have to get into slightly odd positions to sit with any amount of comfort.
She asked me if I was in any pain and where. She ignored anything that was not listed on a piece of paper and then asked about back pain. I pointed out that I had already taken pain meds in the morning and in the position I was in, I was actually pretty ok.
Naturally, that wouldn’t last. She insisted I change my position to get a blood pressure reading. Yep! pain flared up and my blood pressure went high. Once she got the sleeve off me, I shot out of the chair to relieve the stress and let her know that I now had pain in my back. There is that pain rating thing that is supposed to be asked when a person has pain but she didn’t do that.
Should have known. I don’t know how I can be hopeful anymore. Like I told the doctor. No offense sir but I have to get away from the hospital and their medicos just to have a chance at health.

you should have seen the eye roll when I mentioned a homeopathic anti inflammatory.:)

[sicknote]

http://www.coljoe.com/arthritis.htm

Those with Rheumatoid arthritis and swollen joints, will next notice a softening of the swollen tissue as the oxalic acid begins to decalcify the calcareous material in the joint.


http://oxalicacidinfo.com/





Oxalic-Acid (Spinach/Parsley tea etc) kicks ass.

[octopus]

Thanks Octopus.

I've been up since 2am with the pain flaring through my knees and feet.

I saw a doctor yesterday. his nurse takes you back to a room to get your vitals (she did not close the door but it was so far back in the room I decided not to make a big fuss)
She was aware of my back problems and I also pointed out that I fidget and have to get into slightly odd positions to sit with any amount of comfort.
She asked me if I was in any pain and where. She ignored anything that was not listed on a piece of paper and then asked about back pain. I pointed out that I had already taken pain meds in the morning and in the position I was in, I was actually pretty ok.
Naturally, that wouldn’t last. She insisted I change my position to get a blood pressure reading. Yep! pain flared up and my blood pressure went high. Once she got the sleeve off me, I shot out of the chair to relieve the stress and let her know that I now had pain in my back. There is that pain rating thing that is supposed to be asked when a person has pain but she didn’t do that.
Should have known. I don’t know how I can be hopeful anymore. Like I told the doctor. No offense sir but I have to get away from the hospital and their medicos just to have a chance at health.

you should have seen the eye roll when I mentioned a homeopathic anti inflammatory.:)

I wouldn't bother with the doctors, all they want to do is keep you on prescription drugs.

I hope you have tried the bicarb & lemon juice and that you are getting some relief.

There is also a highly effective natural herbal extract which can alleviate arthritis symptoms within a couple of weeks, it's pycnogenol from pine bark:

Pycnogenol – Nature’s Secret Arthritis Treatment
November 16, 2009

Sourced from the coastal regions of South West France, Pycnogenol is extracted from the bark of the Pinus maritima, a pine tree growing exclusively in that region. The bark has high concentrations of very active bio-flavonoids, which incidentally can also be found in fresh fruits and vegetables. For over 35 years scientists have been testing the bio-flavonoids from maritime pine tree bark said to contain anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties. These flavonoids have been discovered to reduce symptoms from many illnesses ranging from bronchial inflammation to swelling and pain in the legs.

http://steveshealthanswers.com/health-news/pycnogenol-natures-secret-arthritis-treatment


It also works for ME sufferers and people with varicous veins and thrombosis.

I just wonder if it couldn't be made at home at no cost, after all the American Indians used it as a traditional medicine and I suspect that they just boiled the bark.
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Keep your head up and keep us posted about how you get on.