Hypnotism

[optimus pigpot]

I want to get into it and need you guys to tell me how, what websites to look at and what it's all about.

Cheers, Optimus pigpot.

[drael]

Well i havent got any links any more. But the just is, that your aiming for a brain state called the "alpha" state, which is somewhere just before sleeping in the normal sleeping process. In this state, one can accept or create suggestions which bypass the concious mind and go directly into the subconconcious.

The "scripts" or techniques one uses to create this feeling are based on biofeedback, visualisation and also common beleifs (such as a beleif in the hypnotic wheel). Usually there are a few which progress from the basic induction, ie heavy eyelids, heavy arms etc, which starts the trance.

[optimus pigpot]

Many thanks drael.......

[steevo]

The only difference between a stage hypnotist and a mainstream media newsreader on tv is that the newsreader doesnt have one of those spiralling wheels in the background :cool:

http://www.twoclicks.org/images/hypno_wheel.gif

[optimus pigpot]

Shit!!!!!!!

[deathcultreject]

I want to get into it and need you guys to tell me how, what websites to look at and what it's all about.

Cheers, Optimus pigpot.

Tad James is the one I find most likeable.

Even with him, he lays it on thick to say it's harmless when it's not.

Check out the hampster's before and after with Terrence McKenna.

The before was when he humourously forgot how to drive on top gear.

The after is . . .

. . . he was hspitalised with head injuries and off the show for 6 months when he crashed.

[optimus pigpot]

Tad James is the one I find most likeable.

Even with him, he lays it on thick to say it's harmless when it's not.

Check out the hampster's before and after with Terrence McKenna.

The before was when he humourously forgot how to drive on top gear.

The after is . . .

. . . he was hspitalised with head injuries and off the show for 6 months when he crashed.

Very nice

[rossus]

i know a distant uncle of mine who has undergone hypnosis at least once,
and he said that during that state he remembered how he was a Egyptian Pharaoh in a past life.
i doubt this was really so though, because he does not seem the type :p

i think hypnotism can resemble very much the experiences one can have under influence of psychedelic substances (and shamanism)
vague states of consciousness where the line between imagination and reality can almost become invisible.

in such state, it's easy to become very illusioned...
and after awaking from such state,
the person can still be illusioned and suffer from an imprisoned heart and mind.



i used to dabble in psychedelics quite a bit, and i must say i'm quite lucky.
because i've come out of it knowing how subtle the difference is between Truth and Fiction.
i know many who are into Psychedelics and certain forms of magic;
who are quite ILLUSIONED...

or i could even say "possessed" by what seems like some kind of malevolent entity or energy,
that tricks them into believing in fairytales.


for this reason, i advise people stay away from Psychedelics and Hypnosis...
but if they insist on doing it anyway... just be careful :)

[drael]

The best way to learn hypnosis is to start with yourself, learn a little light self-hypnosis first which will make it easier to guide others into it (providing familiarity) - plus this stuff is easier to find. Then youll need a simple script of some kind, to practice on others with. There are plenty of scripts on the net, for induction (start of trance), deepening and testing the depth of trance (which can be nessasary because some suggestions need a certain depth, like for example a visual hallicination requires a very deep trance state). The main thing you need to apply these an extreme care with wording for the subject. A bad suggestion, taken in by the subject can cause problems. So yeah, do some self-hypnosis. Then study the wording of suggestions. Then pratice with a script and some freinds. Be careful, and learn as you go. A short course is a good way to go, if you have the money. A good example of wording - a fellow hypnosis student gave me the suggestion "its as heavy as you can lift", and i accepted it, because i was still new to it and undescerning. My arm really ached for a week.

As far as the black stuff is concerned, it certainly exists: The US goverment developed a quick fire induction, the quickest method is based on suprise (often falling is used in traditional hypnosis), but even the black method was only 30% effective (for instant induction, although this is still very high for an instant induction). There are certain movements, gestures etc that can be used as an instant induction (again only on certain people). The greys are supposed to use strobing lights for hypnotic induction. (which is scientifically backed up, signals in the visual or auditory areas can propogate through the brain - brain synching is a well know example of this effect - acheiving an alpha state via a strobe is very viable). Brainwashing obviously also works well, when both drugs and pain are used, and cult use versions of this (things like sleep dep, repitition etc, like in "christian science"). However, short of brainwashing (with pain etc), hypnosis is not mind control, it is suggestion, one must accept it.

The hypnotic disk is funny as. It works on certain people more than others, based on their beleif in it. The power of beleif aye?

[deathcultreject]

Tad James is the one I find most likeable.

Even with him, he lays it on thick to say it's harmless when it's not.

Check out the hampster's before and after with Terrence McKenna.

The before was when he humourously forgot how to drive on top gear.

The after is . . .

. . . he was hspitalised with head injuries and off the show for 6 months when he crashed.

ooops

I should have said Paul McKenna.

I guess these freudian whips show who I've been downloading and listening to lately.

[starscream]

The best way to learn hypnosis is to start with yourself, learn a little light self-hypnosis first which will make it easier to guide others into it (providing familiarity) - plus this stuff is easier to find. Then youll need a simple script of some kind, to practice on others with. There are plenty of scripts on the net, for induction (start of trance), deepening and testing the depth of trance (which can be nessasary because some suggestions need a certain depth, like for example a visual hallicination requires a very deep trance state). The main thing you need to apply these an extreme care with wording for the subject. A bad suggestion, taken in by the subject can cause problems. So yeah, do some self-hypnosis. Then study the wording of suggestions. Then pratice with a script and some freinds. Be careful, and learn as you go. A short course is a good way to go, if you have the money. A good example of wording - a fellow hypnosis student gave me the suggestion "its as heavy as you can lift", and i accepted it, because i was still new to it and undescerning. My arm really ached for a week.

As far as the black stuff is concerned, it certainly exists: The US goverment developed a quick fire induction, the quickest method is based on suprise (often falling is used in traditional hypnosis), but even the black method was only 30% effective (for instant induction, although this is still very high for an instant induction). There are certain movements, gestures etc that can be used as an instant induction (again only on certain people). The greys are supposed to use strobing lights for hypnotic induction. (which is scientifically backed up, signals in the visual or auditory areas can propogate through the brain - brain synching is a well know example of this effect - acheiving an alpha state via a strobe is very viable). Brainwashing obviously also works well, when both drugs and pain are used, and cult use versions of this (things like sleep dep, repitition etc, like in "christian science"). However, short of brainwashing (with pain etc), hypnosis is not mind control, it is suggestion, one must accept it.

The hypnotic disk is funny as. It works on certain people more than others, based on their beleif in it. The power of beleif aye?

Hi, great information, but can i hipnotize alone myself?, and if suggestion is taken from an external entities to the sub consious mind, then how can i take it out? It is amazing how much the sub consious mind can limit our consious mind. And can hipnosis work if i don't want to? Can the suggestion limit the mind from an analatical mind to an unreasonable mind or vice versa? your sharing of knowledge is greatly appreciated! thanks

[armoured_amazon]

Wow, yes. How terribly wise to get into mind control. :rolleyes:

[greenleaf]

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[stikmata]

you can become a certified hypnotist for free watching videos on your computer via this site:

http://www.hypnosis.edu/training/

the videos and induction techniques are a little dated... but it's good for learning some of the basic fundamentals.

The main key to hypnosis is pretty much gaining and maintaining rapport... I'd highly recommended the pacing-leading technique taught by NLP/Bandler... as well as how to recognize and utilize someones representational system... heck, all that stuff should be in the bag of tricks of anyone wanting to do hypnosis.

[starscream]

you can become a certified hypnotist for free watching videos on your computer via this site:

http://www.hypnosis.edu/training/

the videos and induction techniques are a little dated... but it's good for learning some of the basic fundamentals.

The main key to hypnosis is pretty much gaining and maintaining rapport... I'd highly recommended the pacing-leading technique taught by NLP/Bandler... as well as how to recognize and utilize someones representational system... heck, all that stuff should be in the bag of tricks of anyone wanting to do hypnosis.

thanks..i got to know that sigil magik works by suggesting ideas to our sub consious mind, (from hashemsfilms). most of them bad.

[stikmata]

yes... the subconscious is EXTREMELY powerful in it's manifesting ability and most people's subconscious minds have been hijacked and redirected via mass media outlets of all sorts.

But you can also utilize the same techniques being used against your mind to free your mind... in a fight fire w/ fire kind of way.

[rastamasta]

I want to get into it and need you guys to tell me how, what websites to look at and what it's all about.

Cheers, Optimus pigpot.

This will be the first post of many so, let's start at the beginning shall we.

History of hypnosis : Early history

Sleep temples

Hypnotism as a tool for health seems to have originated with the Hindus of ancient India who often took their sick to sleep temples to be cured by hypnotic suggestion as also found to be the case in ancient Egypt and Greece. Hypnotic-like inductions were used to place the individual in a sleep-like state, although it is now accepted that hypnosis is different from sleep.

2000 B.C.- Ancient Sanskrit's contain writings of the use of healing trances, performed within the walls of healing temples in India.
- Egyptian papyruses scrolls depict the story of sleep temples, in which priests dressed in mystical robes would speak to those that came, in such a way that illnesses healed.

Avicenna

Avicenna (980-1037), a Persian psychologist and physician, was the earliest to make a distinction between sleep and hypnosis. In The Book of Healing, which he published in 1027, he referred to hypnosis in Arabic as al-Wahm al-Amil, stating that one could create conditions in another person so that he/she accepts the reality of hypnosis.

Franz Anton Mesmer

Western scientists first became involved in hypnosis around 1770, when Dr. Franz Mesmer (1734-1815), a physician from Austria, started investigating an effect he called "animal magnetism" or "mesmerism" (the latter name still remaining popular today).

The use of the (conventional) English term animal magnetism to translate Mesmer's magnétisme animal is extremely misleading for three reasons:

* Mesmer chose his term to clearly distinguish his variant of magnetic force from those which were referred to, at that time, as mineral magnetism, cosmic magnetism and planetary magnetism.
* Mesmer felt that this particular force/power only resided in the bodies of humans and animals.
* Mesmer chose the word "animal", for its root meaning (from latin animus = "breath") specifically to identify his force/power as a quality that belonged to all creatures with breath; viz., the animate beings: humans and animals.

Mesmer developed his own theory and inspired himself also to the writings of the English physician Richard Mead. Mesmer found that, after opening a patient's vein and letting the patient bleed for a while, by passing magnets over the wound would make the bleeding stop. Mesmer also discovered that using a stick instead would also make the bleeding stop.

After moving to Paris and becoming popular with the French aristocracy for his magnetic cures, the medical community challenged him. The French king put together a Board of Inquiry that included chemist Lavoisier, Benjamin Franklin, and a medical doctor who was an expert in pain control named Joseph Ignace Guillotin. Mesmer refused to cooperate with the investigation and this fell to his disciple Dr d'Eslon. Franklin constructed an experiment in which a blindfolded patient was shown to respond as much to a non-prepared tree as to one that had been "magnetised" by d'Eslon. This is considered to be perhaps the first placebo-controlled trial of a therapy ever conducted. The commission later declared that Mesmerism worked by the action of the imagination.

Although Mesmerism remained popular and "magnetic therapies" are still advertised as a form of "alternative medicine" even today, Mesmer himself retired to Switzerland in obscurity, where he died in 1815.

Abbé Faria

An Indo-Portuguese priest, Abbé Faria, revived public attention to animal magnetism. In the early 19th century, Abbé Faria introduced oriental hypnosis to Paris. Faria came from India and gave exhibitions in 1814 and 1815 without manipulations or the use of Mesmer's baquet.

Unlike Mesmer, Faria claimed that it 'generated from within the mind’ by the power of expectancy and cooperation of the patient. Faria's approach was significantly extended by the clincal and theoretical work of Hippolyte Bernheim and Ambroise-Auguste Liébeault of the Nancy School. Faria's theoretical position, and the subsequent experiences of those in the Nancy School made significant contributions to the later autosuggestion techniques of Émile Coué and the autogenic training techniques of Johannes Heinrich Schultz.

Marquis de Puységur

A student of Mesmer, Marquis de Puységur, first described and coined the term for "somnambulism."

James Braid

The evolution of Mesmer's ideas and practices led the Scottish neurosurgeon James Braid in 1842 to coin the term, and develop the procedure known as, "hypnosis."

Popularly called the "Father of Modern Hypnotism," Braid rejected Mesmer's idea that hynosis was induced by magnetism, and ascribed the "mesmeric trance" to a physiological process resulting from prolonged attention to a bright moving object or similar object of fixation. He postulated that "protracted ocular fixation" fatigued certain parts of the brain and caused a trance—a "nervous sleep" or, from the Greek, "neuro-hypnosis."

Later Braid simplified the name to "hypnosis" (from the Greek hypnos, "sleep"). Finally, realizing that "hypnosis" was not a kind of sleep, he sought to change the name to "monoideaism" ("single-idea-ism"), but the term "hypnosis" had stuck.

Braid tried hypnotism to treat various psychological and physical disorders. He had little success, especially with "organic" (that is, "physical," or non-psychological) conditions. Other physicians claimed better results, particularly in using hypnosis for pain control. An 1842 report described a painless amputation performed on a hypnotized patient. This was widely dismissed, and there was strong resistance in the medical profession to the idea of hypnosis; but there followed other reports of success.

Holy See

Objections had been raised by some theologians stating that, if not applied properly, hypnosis could deprive a person of their faculty of reason. Saint Thomas Aquinas specifically rebutted this, stating that "The loss of reason is not a sin in itself but only by reason of the act by which one is deprived of the use of reason. If the act that deprives one of his use of reason is licit in itself and is done for a just cause, there is no sin; if no just cause is present, it must be considered a venial sin."

On July 28, 1847, a decree from the Sacred Congregation of the Holy office (Roman Curia) declared that "Having removed all misconception, foretelling of the future, explicit or implicit invocation of the devil, the use of animal magnetism (Hypnosis) is indeed merely an act of making use of physical media that are otherwise licit and hence it is not morally forbidden, provided it does not tend toward an illicit end or toward anything depraved."

Later, in 1956, Pope Pius XII gave his approval of hypnosis. He stated that the use of hypnosis by health care professionals for diagnosis and treatment is permitted. In an address from the Vatican on hypnosis in childbirth, the Pope gave these guidelines:

1. Hypnotism is a serious matter, and not something to be dabbled in.
2. In its scientific use, the precautions dictated by both science and morality are to be followed.
3. Under the aspect of anaesthesia, it is governed by the same principles as other forms of anaesthesia.

Recent innovators

Ernest Hilgard

Studies continued after the Second World War. Barber, Hilgard, Orne and Sarbin also produced substantial studies.

In 1961, Ernest Hilgard and André Weitzenhoffer created the Stanford scales, a standardized scale for susceptibility to hypnosis, and properly examined susceptibility across age-groups and sex.

Hilgard went on to study sensory deception (1965) and induced anesthesia and analgesia (1975).

Milton Erickson

Milton Erickson (1901-1980) developed many ideas and techniques in hypnosis that were very different from what was commonly practiced. His style, commonly referred to as Ericksonian Hypnosis, has greatly influenced many modern schools of hypnosis.

Harry Arons

In 1967, Harry Arons, a self-taught professional hypnotist, wrote a textbook, Hypnosis in Criminal Investigation, dedicated to the application of hypnosis in the judicial system. Chapters include such applications such as memory, age regression, induction techniques and confabulation. Arons also traveled the country training law enforcement agencies. His teaching created national acceptance in the legal community and increased positive awareness to the practice of hypnosis for trial applications.

Arons is best known today for introducing a scale that is used for measuring the 'depth' of trance in hypnosis, called the Arons scale, which recognizes six levels of trance depth:

1.Hypnoidal
2.Light trance
3.Medium trance
4.Profound trance
5.Somnambulism
6.Profound Somnambulism

Dave Elman

Overview

Dave Elman (1900-1967) was an entertainer and radio broadcaster before becoming fully involved with Hypnosis. As a small boy he was deeply impressed when a visiting stage hypnotist helped his terminally ill father achieve sufficient pain relief to permit Dave to visit and play with him. In later years he chiefly taught hypnosis to medical doctors and dentists for pain relief and removal of conditions with an emotional component such as allergies, stuttering and obesity. There is very little material available save for a book and some audio recordings of his trainings. Even by today's standards his book Hypnotherapy (1964) (first published as Findings in Hypnosis) is a remarkable piece of work.

was one of the pioneers of the medical use of hypnosis. Elman's definition of hypnosis is still widely used today among many professional hypnotherapists. Although Elman had no medical training, he is known for having trained the most physicians and psychotherapists in America, in the use of hypnotism.

He is also known for introducing rapid inductions to the field of hypnotism. One method of induction which he introduced more than fifty years ago, is still one of the favored inductions used by many of today's masters.

He placed great stress on what he termed "the Esdaile state" or the "hypnotic coma", which, according to Elman, had not been deliberately induced since Scottish surgeon James Esdaile last attained it. This was an unfortunate and historically inaccurate choice of terminology on Elman's part. Esdaile never used what we now call hypnosis even on a single occasion; he always used mesmerism (also known as animal magnetism).

According to his book Hypnotherapy (Westwood, 1964), Elman was able to guide a subject into the state within minutes, and taught his students to do the same. According to Elman's supporters, such a deep state of hypnosis had not been seen for a century.

Ormond McGill

Ormond McGill (1913-2005), stage hypnotist and hypnotherapist, was the "Dean of American Hypnotists"[citation needed] and writer of the seminal "Encyclopedia of Genuine Stage Hypnotism" (1947). McGill died on October 19, 2005.

History of hypnosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://hypnoticadvancements.com/history.htm

Dave Elman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Scientology and hypnosis

Official COS Statements on Hypnosis

The Church of Scientology's official position on hypnosis is that it is a dangerous and undesirable practice, along with psychiatry. Whereas hypnotism's goal is to place a person in "a state of lessened awareness (i.e. trance)", Scientology's stated goal is to put people into the opposite state - one of higher awareness.

are you going to believe Scientology or

The American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

Definition of Hypnosis

Hypnosis is a state of inner absorption, concentration and focused attention. It is like using a magnifying glass to focus the rays of the sun and make them more powerful. Similarly, when our minds are concentrated and focused, we are able to use our minds more powerfully. Because hypnosis allows people to use more of their potential, learning self-hypnosis is the ultimate act of self-control.

While there is general agreement that certain effects of hypnosis exist, there are differences of opinion within the research and clinical communities about how hypnosis works. Some researchers believe that hypnosis can be used by individuals to the degree they possess a hypnotic trait, much as they have traits associated with height, body size, hair color, etc. Other professionals who study and use hypnosis believe there are strong cognitive and interpersonal components that affect an individual's response to hypnotic environments and suggestions.

Recent research supports the view that hypnotic communication and suggestions effectively changes aspects of the persons physiological and neurological functions.

Practitioners use clinical hypnosis in three main ways. First, they encourage the use of imagination. Mental imagery is very powerful, especially in a focused state of attention. The mind seems capable of using imagery, even if it is only symbolic, to assist us in bringing about the things we are imagining. For example, a patient with ulcerative colitis may be asked to imagine what his/her distressed colon looks like. If she imagines it as being like a tunnel, with very red, inflamed walls that are rough in texture, the patient may be encouraged in hypnosis (and in self-hypnosis) to imagine this image changing to a healthy one.

A second basic hypnotic method is to present ideas or suggestions to the patient. In a state of concentrated attention, ideas and suggestions that are compatible with what the patient wants seem to have a more powerful impact on the mind.

Finally, hypnosis may be used for unconscious exploration, to better understand underlying motivations or identify whether past events or experiences are associated with causing a problem. Hypnosis avoids the critical censor of the conscious mind, which often defeats what we know to be in our best interests. The effectiveness of hypnosis appears to lie in the way in which it bypasses the critical observation and interference of the conscious mind, allowing the client's intentions for change to take effect.

http://asch.net/genpubinfo.htm

Scientology and hypnosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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What is hypnosis?

That's a difficult question to answer quickly and precisely. Some people think that it is an 'altered state of consciousness', but since there is currently no agreed definition of consciousness this argument can go around in circles. When we talk about hypnosis we often tend to be either talking about the relaxed, focussed, absorbed feelings associated with a 'trance state' (although some people don't like the term trance), or we tend to be talking about the interesting things people can do when hypnotised - these are the products of 'suggestion'. For more detail a good place to start reading is the definitions page, otherwise follow the links on the left for more information about the uses of hypnosis.

Can anyone be hypnotised?

Yes, everybody is hypnotizable to some extent - some more than others. Susceptibility to hypnosis can be measured with a hypnotic susceptibility scale. Researchers tend to classify people as 'highs', 'mediums', or 'lows'. About 80% of people are in the 'medium' band - meaning that they can experience many of the effects of hypnotic suggestion, and are likeely to benefit from its clinical use if necessary. Approximately 10% of the population are considered highly hypnotizable - meaning that they can readily experience quite dramatic changes in sensation and perception with hypnosis. Roughly 10% are classified as 'low' - meaning that they have not responded strongly to hypnosis (although there are some skills programmes which aim to increase susceptibility to hypnosis).

Is hypnosis dangerous?

Hypnosis is not in itself a dangerous procedure, but there are concerns that if it is not used properly then it could lead to negative reactions. The risks associated with hypnosis (for example, participants very occasionally experience a mild headache) have been shown not to differ from those associated with attending a university lecture (Lynn, Myer & Mackillop, 2000).

Complications may occur due to faulty technique on the part of the hypnotist or because of misconceptions on the part of the subject regarding hypnosis. For a fuller discussion on the potential dangers of hypnosis read this section of Campbell Perry's discussion of hypnosis on the False Memory Syndrome's website.

Can hypnosis make me do things I don't want to do?

The simple answer is no, you can't be made to do anything you don't want to do in hypnosis. In hypnosis you retain power over your ability to act upon suggestions, although if you do allow yourself to act upon a suggestion you may feel as though the effects are happening by themselves.

Orne & Evans (1965) conducted a study to find out if they could make hypnotised subjects perform antisocial acts, such as throwing a jar of acid in the face of a research assistant (for safety the jar didn't actuallly contain acid, but the subjects in the experiment didn't know this). They found that 5 out of 6 high hypnotizable participants did throw the 'acid', but that 6 out of 6 low hypnotizable participants who were asked to simulate being in hypnosis threw the 'acid' too. This experiment shows that it's not something special about being in hypnosis which could make people perform antisocial acts, but rather something about the social situation the experiment was conducted in. The logic of the experiment is that if you can get people to commit antisocial acts without hypnosis (i.e. you assume the low hypnotizables weren't hypnotized) then there is no need to use hypnosis to explain what people are doing (for more information on experiments involving authority read about Stanley Milgram's famous experiment here).

Is hypnosis like sleep?

The short answer is no. Although the word hypnosis is derived from the Greek god of sleep, Hypnos, studies have shown that hypnosis and sleep differ. Studies of brain activity have shown that although there are characteristic patterns of brain activity associated with sleep the same has not been demonstrated of hypnosis. To observers hypnosis might appear to be like sleep because suggestions of relaxation are commonly given as part of a hypnotic routine, but hypnotised people are in a state more similar to wakefulness (and hypnosis has even been induced in people riding exercise bicycles - so called 'active alert' hypnosis).

What does hypnosis feel like?

The answer is probably that hypnosis feels different for everybody. Many hypnotists (researchers & clinicians) use elements of relaxation procedures, so people commonly associate a feeling of relaxation with hypnosis. Different people have all sorts of bodily responses to relaxation instructions - some feel as though their body is very heavy, whereas some can feel very light, almost as if they were floating. Mentally, again people have all sorts of responses. People typically report feeling very focussed or absorbed, often effortlessly so. Since instructions for imagery are often used people can have very vivid imaginative experiences - many report feeling 'as if they were there'.

Erika Fromm wrote a great book on self-hypnosis, based up the results of extensive research, which contains a lot of interesting descriptions from participants in her studies. View full reference View book at Amazon.com

Can I get 'stuck' in hypnosis?

There is no evidence that anybody can become stuck in hypnosis. The worst that might happen could be that you fall asleep - and wake up unhypnotised! Studies have been conducted where participants have been hypnotised, and the experimenter leaves the room under the pretence that there is a problem he has to attend to, the participant is then observed (without his knowledge) to see what happens. The result in all cases was that participants spontaneously woke up, the high hypnotisables taking slightly longer to do so.

http://www.hypnosisandsuggestion.org/faq.html

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Unconscious mind

Historical overview

The idea of an unconscious mind originated in antiquity and has been explored across cultures. It was recorded between 2500 and 600 B.C in the Hindu texts known as the Vedas, found today in Ayurvedic medicine. In the Vedic worldview, consciousness is the basis of physiology and pure consciousness is "an abstract, silent, completely unified field of consciousness" within "an architecture of increasingly abstract, functionally integrated faculties or levels of mind"

Unconscious mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Subconscious

In the strict psychological sense, the adjective is defined as "operating or existing outside of consciousness". The term also appears in Sigmund Freud's very early work, to denote the unconscious mind but was soon eliminated due to its ambiguity. It may also be used to describe the preconscious, information contained in the mind, which although not presently in the conscious, may be recalled by "directing attention to them", such as memories not being recalled at present, but still available to be recalled at will. Use of the term "subconscious" is avoided in academic settings despite remaining popular in common use.

Modalities targeting the subconscious mind

There are a number of methods in use to try to directly affect the subconscious/unconscious mind, primarily the following:

* Affirmations
* Autosuggestion
* Binaural beats
* Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT)
* Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR)
* Hypnosis
* Subliminal messages

Subconscious - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Brain waves and brain rhythms

There are four principal brain wave states that range from high amplitude, low frequency delta through to the low amplitude, high frequency beta. These states range from deep dreamless sleep to a state of high arousal. These four brain wave states are common throughout humans. All levels of brain waves exist in everyone at all times, even though one is foregrounded depending on the activity level. When a person is in an aroused state and exhibiting a beta brain wave pattern, their brain also exhibits a component of alpha, theta and delta, even though only a trace may be present.

Upon waking from a deep sleep in preparation for arising, your brain wave frequencies increase through the different stages of brain wave activity, moving from delta to theta and then to alpha and into beta.

Gamma waves

Gamma waves have the highest range of frequencies (around 40 Hz) and are involved in higher mental activity. They have also been detected during the process of awakening and during active rapid eye movement (REM) sleep.

Beta waves

Beta waves are the most common of the brain wave patterns that occur when awake. These occur during period of intense concentration, problem solving, and focused analysis. The frequency of beta waves is between 13-30 Hz (cycles per second).

Alpha waves

Alpha waves are any of the electrical waves from the parietal and occipital regions of the brain, having frequencies from 8 to 12 hertz (cycles per second). Some scientists consider the range 8 - 13 Hz and are most usual when we are mentally alert, calm and relaxed, or when day-dreaming. Alpha waves are a sign of relaxation, as they indicate a lack of sensory stimulation in a conscious person.

Theta waves

Theta waves occur when we are mentally drowsy and unfocused, during deep calmness, most daydreaming, relaxation or tranquility, as for example we make the transitions from drowsiness to sleep or from sleep to the waking state. The frequency of theta waves is between 4-7 Hz (cycles per second) though some researchers regard theta to be 5 to 8 cps.

In brain wave frequencies, theta is the frequency range where drowsiness, unconsciousness, dreaming states and deep tranquility happen. Most daydreaming occurs while in the theta range. It is normally a very positive mental state and prolonged states of the theta brain wave frequency while conscious can be extremely productive and a time of very meaningful/creative mental activity.

With practice, meditation can also lower a person's brain wave frequency to theta while allowing the meditator to remain conscious.

Delta waves

Delta waves occur primarily during deep sleep or states of unconsciousness. The frequency of delta waves is between 0.5-.4 Hz (cycles per second).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance#Brain_waves_and_brain_rhythms

[rastamasta]

Techniques

* Age regression - by returning to an earlier ego-state the patient can regain qualities they once had, but have lost.[citation needed] Remembering an earlier, healthier, ego-state can increase the patients' strength and confidence.[citation needed]

* Revivification - remembering past experiences can contribute to therapy.[citation needed] For example; the hypnotist may ask "have you ever been in trance?" and then find it easier to revive the previous experience than attempt inducing a new state.

* Guided imagery - a method by which the subject is given a new relaxing and beneficial experience.

* Parts therapy - a method pioneered by Charles Tebbetts to identify conflicting parts that are damaging the well being of clients, then helps those parts negotiate with each other through the therapist to bring about a resolution.[citation needed]

* Confusion - a method developed by Milton H. Erickson in which the subject is more likely to be receptive to indirect suggestion due to an altered state of confusion.

* Repetition - the more an idea is repeated the more likely it is to be accepted and acted upon by the patient.[citation needed]

* Direct suggestion - suggesting directly. "You feel safe and secure".

* Indirect suggestion - using "interspersal" technique and other means to cause effect.

* Mental state - people are more receptive while relaxed, sleeping, or in a trance.

* Hypnoanalysis - the client recalls moments from his past, confronting them and releasing associated emotions, similar to psychoanalysis.

* Post-hypnotic suggestion - a suggestion that will be carried out[citation needed] after the trance has ended. "When you re-awaken you will feel refreshed and happy!"

* Visualization - being told to imagine or visualize a desired outcome seems to make it more likely to actually occur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotherapy#Techniques

[rastamasta]

Lateralization of brain function

Linear reasoning functions of language such as grammar and word production are often lateralized to the left hemisphere of the brain. Dyscalculia is a neurological syndrome associated with damage to the left temporal-pariet junction. This syndrome is associated with poor number manipulation, poor mental arithmetic, and an inability to understand or apply mathematical concepts.

In contrast, holistic reasoning functions of language such as intonation and emphasis are often lateralized to the right hemisphere of the brain. Functions such as the transduction of visual and musical stimuli such as spatial manipulation, facial perception, and artistic ability also seem to be lateralized to the right hemisphere.

Other integrative functions such as intuitive or heuristic arithmetic, binaural sound localization, emotions, etc. seem to be more bilaterally controlled.

Left brain functions

sequential

analytical

verbal

logical

linear algorithmic processing

mathematics: perception of counting/measurement

present and past

language: grammar/words, literal

Right brain functions

simultaneous

holistic

imagistic

intuitive

holistical algorithmic processing

mathematics: perception of shapes/motions

present and future

language: intonation/emphasis, prosody, pragmatic, contextual

Lateralization of brain function - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[rastamasta]

Inductions

Inductions are what make hypnosis work - or not! It is important that you select an induction that is suitable for your client's 'style' and personality type. Here are some common induction methods:

* Eye fixation (e.g. staring at a pendulum or imaginary spot on the wall)
* Progressive relaxation
* Body Awareness
* Confusion technique
* Conversational
* Indirect ('my friend John')
* Counting and breathing
* Eyes open, eyes close
* Non-verbal
* Fascination techniques
* Hand drop
* Authoritarian ('Relax the muscles around your eyelids until they simply will not work')
* Permissive ('Some people find it very easy to relax their eyelids until they close')
* Elman handshake
* Rapid methods (e.g.'The Zonk')
* Covert (esp. using client's own 'buzzwords')

Contraindications

Hypnosis is not suitable for:

* Individuals suffering from dementia
* Very young children
* Drug addicts
* Anybody evidently under the influence of alcohol
* 'Educationally challenged' individuals
* Anybody with comprehension difficulties

The main reason in all cases is the inability to properly interact and establish effective rapport.

Conscious Critical Faculty

The Conscious Critical Faculty, often referred to as the 'CCF' can best be thought of as a kind of psychological membrane that separates conscious and subconscious. It constantly monitors all input from our senses and tends to reject that which does not agree with an idea or concept that has been previously experienced and accepted as 'valid' in some way. This is why if an individual has understood that s/he is stupid, there will be a rejection of information to the contrary, just as certainly as if s/he believes him/herself to be clever. In other words, unless we can get beneath the CCF, it is very difficult indeed to make lasting change.

False Memories

These may or may not exist; false belief, however, is much more likely. In any event, as long as the therapist conscientiously uses 'clean language' and steadfastly avoids leading, the possibility of creating either is greatly minimised. You can find more on 'clean language' elsewhere on this site.

Transference

Transference has been defined as: "A strange mixture of hostility, suspicion, affection and jealousy; it is not a single emotion but a cocktail with variable ingredients to be mixed in indeterminate quantities, according to the requirements of the individual partaking of it…" It can be used in therapy, since it can engender a feeling for the client of closeness with the therapist with an accompanying feeling of security, a knowledge that anything can be discussed with total safety.

Abreaction

An abreaction can and often will occur during any type of investigative therapy. It is the revivification of an event from the past, possibly from the formative years of the individual concerned, in which there was a perceived vulnerability and/or guilt. The analyst will seek to ensure that abreactive state is sustained to a natural conclusion, after which all negative emotional attachment to the event ceases to be. Those not trained in analytical techniques may instead seek to help the client to 'let go' of the state by asking him/her to let his/her mind drift to a safe/special place which has been previously created.

Resistance

Resistance is present within every client who arrives for therapy; in fact, it is resistance to change that has usually created their illness in the first place. The job of the therapist is to observe the form that the resistance takes, then use his/her therapeutic skills to bypass it where possible.

Therapeutic strategy

What many might call the 'therapy proper', this is the part of our work that is the most important, as far as helping to alleviate our clients' problems is concerned. It is actually difficult to effectively define strategies, because, to paraphrase the late Milton Erickson: "There are as many therapies as there are clients." He probably originated the 'modern' idea that every client receives a different therapy that is tailor made for the presenting difficulty. There are, however, a few 'broad' methodologies that are in common use. Some are listed here:

* Direct suggestion
* Indirect suggestion
* Covert suggestion
* Regression to cause
* Free association
* Creative visualisation
* PARTS work
* NLP
* Watkins affect bridge
* Pattern interrupt
* Dissociation
* Desensitisation
* Guided imagery
* Psychosynthesis
* Ego state therapy
* Timelines
* Time track

http://hypnosense.com/knowledgebase.htm

[chicken]

I have had the confusion technique done to me - its called the double bind. Its what is called is also a thought stopping technique. Used in NLP as the "yes" technique. Not nice - as the person who did it to me - then went on to put me out without my consent....God knows what they did. I don't even know how long I was out for?

Does anyone know anything else about this and could they share info about the afore mentioned techniques?

My research tells me that a lot of cults use these techniques? Can anyone associate techniques with cults?

Chicken

[ichi wa zen]

Hypnotism is New Age thus equals evil.

[rastamasta]

Hypnotism is New Age

New age really?

The first recorded use of hypnosis is found in Genesis 2:21-22

"So the Lord caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which God took from the man He made into woman and brought her to the man."

In this incident God used hypnosis as an anesthesia so that Adam felt no pain during the removal of his rib. Since that time, hypnosis has been used in almost every age and culture under a variety of names.

In addition to the references in Genesis, mention of hypnotic technique is found in other ancient sources concerning Egyptian "Sleep Temples," The "Sleep Temples" are described in the Ebers Papyrus which are over three thousand years old. In the temple, the Egyptian priests used a hypnotic-like procedure to improve health. While the subjects were in the hypnotic state, suggestions for healing and health were given by the priest. The temple became so popular and successful that they spread to Greece and throughout Asia Minor.

http://www.durbinhypnosis.com/historyofhypnosis.htm

[ichi wa zen]

New age really?

The first recorded use of hypnosis is found in Genesis 2:21-22

Well, New Age is afterall only Egyptian, Hindu and Greek "Mystery" Doo Doo rehashed into some "21st century New Age philosophy".

Just old evils modernized really.

[synergy777]

what about lucid dreaming.

the power of hypnotism cannot be argued, its very effective, its proven.

a great deal of info, well done rasta bro.

[ichi wa zen]

what about lucid dreaming.

At night you should just sleep and dream about butterflies and running water.

the power of hypnotism cannot be argued, its very effective, its proven.

Proven to be evil. Stay Away from it People!

[synergy777]

i would rather dream about the playboy mansion, lol

still being serious, why do i have such vivid/weird dreams?

[ichi wa zen]

i would rather dream about the playboy mansion, lol

Ha Ha ahah whatever floats your boat (or wets your bed). :p

[synergy777]

at least i am honest, lol

[rastamasta]

Proven to be evil.

by who, The Pope? L. Ron Hubbard? Sigmund Freud?

Go on Guru enlighten me!

[steevo]

Why would anyone want to use hypnotism ? I personally think hypnosis is just about talking people into doing certain things by using various means for example by brainwashing them.

Ok we can use it for "positive" stuff like stopping people smoking but I think that people that need hypnotising to stop them smoking are very much in a comatosed state.

[synergy777]

i wouldn't mind regression/past life stuff

[davelove]

nice thread. im a hypnotist, clinical. what b.s the dutch guy is rattling off. lol. saying hypnosis is evil is the same as saying meditation is evil. excellent information rasta man. let me read some more....

[lizzy]

Why would anyone want to use hypnotism ? I personally think hypnosis is just about talking people into doing certain things by using various means for example by brainwashing them.

Ok we can use it for "positive" stuff like stopping people smoking but I think that people that need hypnotising to stop them smoking are very much in a comatosed state.

I tried it for smoking once. I was'nt very suggestable and it was a waste of money , acupunture did.

[lizzy]

i wouldn't mind regression/past life stuff

yup, find me a nice one and leave me there please.LOL

[steevo]

nice thread. im a hypnotist, clinical. what b.s the dutch guy is rattling off. lol. saying hypnosis is evil is the same as saying meditation is evil. excellent information rasta man. let me read some more....

What sort of hypnotism do you do exactly ? Have you got any examples ?

[davelove]

hi steevo. im not sure what you mean by examples. and all the coincidence theorists will be jumping on me!! lol

[rastamasta]

I tried it for smoking once. I was'nt very suggestable and it was a waste of money , acupunture did.

2 words why, free will.

[steevo]

hi steevo. im not sure what you mean by examples. and all the coincidence theorists will be jumping on me!! lol

I just mean what sort of things have you used hypnotism for ?

[davelove]

the list is endless. smoking, addictions, phobias. anxiety, weight loss, anaesthesia. pain control, accelerated learning, accelerated healing, regression, child birth... etc etc...

if the mind can concieve, the mind can achieve!

[rastamasta]

nice thread. im a hypnotist, clinical. what b.s the dutch guy is rattling off. lol. saying hypnosis is evil is the same as saying meditation is evil. excellent information rasta man. let me read some more....

Google book search Micheal Yapko : trancework

http://books.google.com/books?id=uYKaMWAfcewC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=myths+of+hypnosis&source=web&ots=HEmbGHv9Zf&sig=KsY6NV-DLfnQgcpvDU29GdtRIRo#PPA25,M1

[davelove]

Google book search Micheal Yapko : trancework

http://books.google.com/books?id=uYKaMWAfcewC&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=myths+of+hypnosis&source=web&ots=HEmbGHv9Zf&sig=KsY6NV-DLfnQgcpvDU29GdtRIRo#PPA25,M1

thanks man. i was at a yapko seminar. hes an excellent instructor.

[steevo]

the list is endless. smoking, addictions, phobias. anxiety, weight loss, anaesthesia. pain control, accelerated learning, accelerated healing, regression, child birth... etc etc...

if the mind can concieve, the mind can achieve!

Would you say that most of the people you treat dont believe in themselves ? After you have finished the course of hypnotism, do they then believe in themselves ? Or will they need to keep coming back to you for their next problem ? If so this would say to me that they are gonna be looking outside themselves for the answers EVEN MORE after a course of hynosis.

[davelove]

Would you say that most of the people you treat dont believe in themselves ? After you have finished the course of hypnotism, do they then believe in themselves ? Or will they need to keep coming back to you for their next problem ? If so this would say to me that they are gonna be looking outside themselves for the answers EVEN MORE after a course of hynosis.

where does getting control of a subconcious, automatic response (like a panic attack for example) have anything to do with belief in ones self?? i dont understand the question.

furthermore. its about giving the client control of themselves.

[rastamasta]

I just mean what sort of things have you used hypnotism for ?

here's the contents of Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors By D. Corydon Hammond

Contents

Introduction

Formulating Hypnotic and Posthypnotic Suggestions

Hypnosis in Pain Management

Anxiety Phobias and Dental Disorders

Hypnosis with Phobias

Suggestions in Dental Hypnosis

Hypnosis with Cancer Patients

Hypnosis with Medical Disorders

Hypnosis with Burns and Emergencies

Hypnosis for Healing Psychosomatic Conditions and Autoimmune

Hypnosis with Sleep Disorders

Hypnosis in Obstetrics and Gynecology

Hyperemesis Gravidarum and Miscellaneous Gynecologic

Hypnosis with Emotional and Psychiatric Disorders

Hypnosis with Severely Disturbed Patients

A Fusion Ritual in Treating Multiple Personality Richard P Kluft

Another Fusion Ritual Richard P Kluft Containing Dysphoria

Hypnotherapy and Sexual Dysfunction

Hypnotic Suggestions for Interpersonal Relationships

Hypnosis with Obesity and Eating Disorders

Treatment of Eating Disorders

Enhancing Sports and Athletic Performance

Hypnotic Suggestions with Children

Hypnosis with Pain

Hypnosis with Enuresis

Suggestions for Thumbsucking

Age Regression Age Progression and Time

Distortion

Age Regression and Abreaction

Age Progression

Time Distortion Training"

[steevo]

where does getting control of a subconcious, automatic response (like a panic attack for example) have anything to do with belief in ones self?? i dont understand the question.

furthermore. its about giving the client control of themselves.

Well why do they get these panic attacks ?

[davelove]

called an initial sensitising event. probably when young, something happend to threaten their existance (probably). it scared them so much the mind probably repressed it. therefore they have no conscious memory of the event, so, cant do anything about it. hypnosis can help them remember and can uncover the cause. putting them in a position to remember and deal with it. hope this answers your question

[davelove]

for those that dont believe, no evidence is enough.
for those that do believe. no evidence is required. (source: unknown)

[rastamasta]

Well why do they get these panic attacks ?

Panic attacks are sudden, discrete periods of intense anxiety, mounting physiological arousal, fear and discomfort that are associated with a variety of somatic and cognitive symptoms.The onset of these episodes is typically abrupt, and may have no obvious triggers. Although these episodes may appear random, they are considered to be a subset of an evolutionary response commonly referred to as fight or flight that occur out of context, flooding the body with hormones (particularly adrenalin) that aid in defending itself from harm.Experiencing a panic attack is said to be one of the most intensely frightening, upsetting and uncomfortable experiences of a person's life. (Bourne 2005).

Panic attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[rastamasta]

for those that dont believe, no evidence is enough.
for those that do believe. no evidence is required. (source: unknown)

I've heard a variation on this quote.

to the believer no proof is necessary

to the skeptic no proof is possible.

again the ketchup is unknown

[davelove]

I've heard a variation on this quote.

to the believer no proof is necessary

to the skeptic no proof is possible.

again the ketchup is unknown

yup same shit my man. excellent subject!!

[rastamasta]

another google book search

The Practice of Hypnotism By Andre M. Weitzenhoffer

http://books.google.com/books?id=oeE64K1_SRUC&dq=the+practice+of+hypnotism&pg=PP1&ots=HzMHZtQf5N&sig=V5W8hHr1N7Lc2uSjSC4TKBuljBI&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?q=the+practice+of+hypnotism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPR15,M1

a nice leisurely 672 pages

and a wallet crunching RRP of £70

[davelove]

another google book search

The Practice of Hypnotism By Andre M. Weitzenhoffer

http://books.google.com/books?id=oeE64K1_SRUC&dq=the+practice+of+hypnotism&pg=PP1&ots=HzMHZtQf5N&sig=V5W8hHr1N7Lc2uSjSC4TKBuljBI&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?q=the+practice+of+hypnotism&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail#PPR15,M1

imo the greatest book ever written!!

http://www.hypnotism.org/

[steevo]

called an initial sensitising event. probably when young, something happend to threaten their existance (probably). it scared them so much the mind probably repressed it. therefore they have no conscious memory of the event, so, cant do anything about it. hypnosis can help them remember and can uncover the cause. putting them in a position to remember and deal with it. hope this answers your question

Yes that does answer my question. So it's abit of psychology that you use, a form of brainwashing or de-educating them. Knowledge is the key to PREVENT shit like this happening. We seem to concentrate SOLELY on the SYMPTOMS all the time, whether it be by providing medicines, or psychology etc. We never spend money on the CAUSE because that would make people realise that the system is wrong and TPTB would have no control of us and we would no longer look outside ourselves or our families for the answers. We need to stop and say what the fuck is happening, WHY are all these terrible things happening...but we never do that in our society and it just keeps continuing and continuing....

But if you managed to help that girl through the "hypnosis" then I suppose that's ok.

TO ME, "hypnotism" is just a WORD that SOUNDS MAGICAL and MYSTICAL but REALLY there is nothing magical about it but people BELIEVE it to be sort of magical and therefore feel that the hypnotiser has the powers to sort out their heads when they really dont have any more powers than the rest of us. The sheeple (most of them) are so brainwashed that they are absolutely crap at sorting out any problems in their own lives and feel it necessary to look outside themselves for guidance.

[davelove]

here's the contents of Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors By D. Corydon Hammond

rastamasta did you put up a link for this book??? i have to have it!! cant be arsed searching...lol

[davelove]

Yes that does answer my question. So it's abit of psychology that you use, a form of brainwashing or de-educating them. Knowledge is the key to PREVENT shit like this happening. We seem to concentrate SOLELY on the SYMPTOMS all the time, whether it be by providing medicines, or psychology etc. We never spend money on the CAUSE because that would make people realise that the system is wrong and TPTB would have no control of us and we would no longer look outside ourselves or our families for the answers. We need to stop and say what the fuck is happening, WHY are all these terrible things happening...but we never do that in our society and it just keeps continuing and continuing....

But if you managed to help that girl through the "hypnosis" then I suppose that's ok.

TO ME, "hypnotism" is just a WORD that SOUNDS MAGICAL and MYSTICAL but REALLY there is nothing magical about it but people BELIEVE it to be sort of magical and therefore feel that the hypnotiser has the powers to sort out their heads when they really dont have any more powers than the rest of us. The sheeple (most of them) are so brainwashed that they are absolutely crap at sorting out any problems in their own lives and feel it necessary to look outside themselves for guidance.

hear hear. i believe in cause and effect. for permanent release of sysmptoms. one MUST address the cause. i use hypnosis as a tool. a VERY powerful tool.

[rastamasta]

rastamasta did you put up a link for this book??? i have to have it!! cant be arsed searching...lol

I bought it when I started my hypnotherapy course last year. It's gem of a book.
Price is a bit of a bank buster though but, it's worth it for all kinds of scripts and idea's.

Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors: Amazon.co.uk: Dc Hammond: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41DEXGYZ4SL.@@AMEPARAM@@41DEXGYZ4SL

[davelove]

I bought it when I started my hypnotherapy course last year. It's gem of a book.
Price is a bit of a bank buster though but, it's worth it for all kinds of scripts and idea's.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Hypnotic-Suggestions-Metaphors-D-Corydon/dp/039370095X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201653849&sr=1-1

much obliged im sure!!

[steevo]

hear hear. i believe in cause and effect. for permanent release of sysmptoms. one MUST address the cause. i use hypnosis as a tool. a VERY powerful tool.

Ok mate :)

[davelove]

I bought it when I started my hypnotherapy course last year. It's gem of a book.
Price is a bit of a bank buster though but, it's worth it for all kinds of scripts and idea's.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Handbook-Hypnotic-Suggestions-Metaphors-D-Corydon/dp/039370095X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201653849&sr=1-1

good luck with the course brother. youll be great!!

[deathcultreject]

I have had the confusion technique done to me - its called the double bind. Its what is called is also a thought stopping technique. Used in NLP as the "yes" technique. Not nice - as the person who did it to me - then went on to put me out without my consent....God knows what they did. I don't even know how long I was out for?

Does anyone know anything else about this and could they share info about the afore mentioned techniques?

My research tells me that a lot of cults use these techniques? Can anyone associate techniques with cults?

Chicken

I think it's unlikely that a one off hypnotic abuse would make you do anything which goes against your nature.

The MKULTRA scientists could convince their secretaries that they were in a situation where they needed to shoot someone, and that experience alone would induce a black out afterwards.
But the MKULTRA staff were CIA allready.

Mind control would be more like a prolonged battery of techniques including engineered social situations such as cultism or organised crime, drugs, violence and rape might be involved to increasse the effect of the head games.

And that's the kind of stuff that you can press charges over.

You might have given away secrets, you might have been told to percieve someone else as your lover etc. etc.

So be very IRRITABLE around people who would subject you to a covert induction, that's my advice. Also have songs in your head with different speeds, tap your toes to them, and change betwen them frequently.
They hate that.

Also be wary that the 'rapport' methods cause you to artificaly identify with the hypnotist.

The whole proceedure plants a suggestion which says that you're the same person, and so every sociopathic trait amongst NLP / hypnotists starts to spread like an unconscious mind version of the 28 days rage virus.

When Richard Bandler was a cocaine addict, one of his top NLP students was a working girl prostitute.

Her name is Corine Christensen.

He went into the kitchen one day, and cut up a bottle of oven cleaner to make a kind of silencer for one of his guns.

Then he shot her in the face at point blank range.

Then he treated the crime scene with kitchen chemicals to hide evidence.

Then he disposed of the body.

He was prosecuted, having her blood on his shirt.

He had friends in the CIA

He was aquitted.

But don't take my word for it, I'm still recovering from this kind of abuse.

But here's another thing that bugs the hell out of them;

Remember fight club when they keep repeating "His name is Robert Palson"?

Try it with

"Her name is Corine Christensen"

Jack the Ripper psychology 101

It's so funny, I almost feel sorry for them.

[harris999]

I went to a hypnotist about my panic attacks i used to have a while ago. And it did the job, not sure how but it did.

Its a nice experience, and your in controll the whole time, so if you dont like where its going you could just get out the chair and go home (if you wanted too). Its very relaxing too, id recommend it to anybody.

[drael]

Hi, great information, but can i hipnotize alone myself?

Yes, self-hypnosis is easy, and very useful (because u can do it anytime and it costs nothing). Best place to start IMO.

and if suggestion is taken from an external entities to the sub consious mind, then how can i take it out?

The suggestion, if long term, usually fades on its own over time. It can be removed by a counter suggestion (even something simple like an afiirmation could help).

It is amazing how much the sub consious mind can limit our consious mind.

IMO, we really are subconcious mentally, its just the tip of the iceberg that shows.

And can hipnosis work if i don't want to?

Hypnosis, no, its all choosen and up to you.

My research tells me that a lot of cults use these techniques? Can anyone associate techniques with cults?

They use a raft of related techniques, and some of the regular hypnotic ones like repetition. The christian science rundowns are very good examples, the use sleep deprivation, isolation, repetition and confusion as primary tools. Having studied cults, both through hypnosis (where they warned us about the CS rundowns) and in psychology, the range of effects is usually huge, for a combined effect. There are lists of these techniques somewhere (perhaps on the net)?

[deathcultreject]

I went to a hypnotist about my panic attacks i used to have a while ago. And it did the job, not sure how but it did.

Its a nice experience, and your in controll the whole time, so if you dont like where its going you could just get out the chair and go home (if you wanted too). Its very relaxing too, id recommend it to anybody.

Mate,

learn to meditate.

Try Budhist teachers with lineage.

There's no such thing as a quick fix.

[sunyatta60]

Whereas hypnotism's goal is to place a person in "a state of lessened awareness

I have been practising Hypnosis for years working with professional Sportspeople.
Trance is a highly focussed state of attention. Which is why so many Sports people turn to it they need to be able to concentrate at a high level and over a long period of time.
Thinking interupts the process of doing, using hypnosis you can get the body to repsond automatically which improves performance always.
I suggest the following books for hypnosis in general:

Answer Cancer by Stephen Parkhill

You Are What You Think by Tycho Photiou this book is all about What Self Hypnosis is and how to do it.

My Voice will go with You by Sidney Rosen MD

[sunyatta60]

TO ME, "hypnotism" is just a WORD that SOUNDS MAGICAL and MYSTICAL but REALLY there is nothing magical about it but people BELIEVE it to be sort of magical and therefore feel that the hypnotiser has the powers to sort out their heads when they really dont have any more powers than the rest of us. The sheeple (most of them) are so brainwashed that they are absolutely crap at sorting out any problems in their own lives and feel it necessary to look outside themselves for guidance.[/QUOTE]

The Hypnotist is just the guide, he or she has learned how to get the person into trance in a formal setting. Because the Truth is we go into and out of trance every day not just once but often. Like someone said it is about helping the subject reclaim their own power which gives them the freedom to make better choices.

We must train the Mind to desire what the situation demands.
Seneca

For those who believe; no proof is necessary,
For those who don’t believe; no proof is possible.
John & Lyn St Clair Thomas

[chicken]

You might have given away secrets, you might have been told to percieve someone else as your lover etc. etc.

So be very IRRITABLE around people who would subject you to a covert induction, that's my advice. Also have songs in your head with different speeds, tap your toes to them, and change betwen them frequently.
They hate that.

Also be wary that the 'rapport' methods cause you to artificaly identify with the hypnotist.

The whole proceedure plants a suggestion which says that you're the same person, and so every sociopathic trait amongst NLP / hypnotists starts to spread like an unconscious mind version of the 28 days rage virus.


The rapport thing - totally identified with her - then realised that had been done over only after I was put out. She came via doctors - I could have been implanted by the doctors - this is and sounds mad. "Madness" territory - how else can you be implanted. It certainly was not me..... Another thing I bought some of the books - "pugwash" basically


This what worries me the stuff in quotes - I am now gang stalked and e-harassed. I have been stalked since 91 - but believe now it was before that. This is so incredulous. But since the nightmare hypnosis moment - this has happened - followed, stalked, chased, etc etc.....Now he e-harassment - god knows where this is leading.....I just don't know if this is a group that has infiltrated the NHS or what? I was phoned up out of the blue and told stuff - weird. Again this was after the "hypnosis" session.

I don't like what is going on.

As for smoking - well!! - Allen Carr is my relative. He used hypnosis as part of his treatment and it worked. He was worth 124 million when he died. So it must have worked then - He was the opponent to Paul Mckenna - they did not like each other at all. I sometimes think that is part of the reason why I was hypnotised or so called hypnotised..... its a thought...

Chicken

[deathcultreject]

The rapport thing - totally identified with her - then realised that had been done over only after I was put out. She came via doctors - I could have been implanted by the doctors - this is and sounds mad. "Madness" territory - how else can you be implanted. It certainly was not me..... Another thing I bought some of the books - "pugwash" basically


This what worries me the stuff in quotes - I am now gang stalked and e-harassed. I have been stalked since 91 - but believe now it was before that. This is so incredulous. But since the nightmare hypnosis moment - this has happened - followed, stalked, chased, etc etc.....Now he e-harassment - god knows where this is leading.....I just don't know if this is a group that has infiltrated the NHS or what? I was phoned up out of the blue and told stuff - weird. Again this was after the "hypnosis" session.

I don't like what is going on.

As for smoking - well!! - Allen Carr is my relative. He used hypnosis as part of his treatment and it worked. He was worth 124 million when he died. So it must have worked then - He was the opponent to Paul Mckenna - they did not like each other at all. I sometimes think that is part of the reason why I was hypnotised or so called hypnotised..... its a thought...

Chicken

Chicken, this isn't madness on your part.

It happens to a lot of people.

PEOPLE DO BELIEVE YOU, AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE YOU.

The amount of money and effort invested in targeting people with psychological abuse is almost unbelievable.

The people who do the targeting end up surrounded by dead bodies and nervous breakdowns from the people who trusted them or were forced to endure the things which they try to promote as normal or cool.

I think that targets who talk are much safer than targets who don't.

there's a thread here for mind control survivers to talk about their experiences.

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopic-57940-0.html

I'm sure that some of the survivers there will be pleased to hear from you.

[drael]

Is it possible you have had a memory suppressed? the black cabal often harrass people like this when they know something they shouldnt. Dont discount it, ive heard plenty of stories like this - usually they are either trying to recruit you, or drive you mad to destroy a witness's credibility. It doesnt sound as serious as it can get, so your probably not a major threat to them.

If you have time, theres a story of such harassment in the aliens forum, under "am i an alien?". Its and unusual story, but the individual there was targeted and theres a few tips you could probably get out of that.

[deathcultreject]

Is it possible you have had a memory suppressed? the black cabal often harrass people like this when they know something they shouldnt. Dont discount it, ive heard plenty of stories like this - usually they are either trying to recruit you, or drive you mad to destroy a witness's credibility. It doesnt sound as serious as it can get, so your probably not a major threat to them.

If you have time, theres a story of such harassment in the aliens forum, under "am i an alien?". Its and unusual story, but the individual there was targeted and theres a few tips you could probably get out of that.

Thank you very much for this drael.

Recriuting / destroying sanity / destroying credability might make an explaination.

I think that we need to use our own magic against it, they very are frightened of magic.

[deathcultreject]

Is it possible you have had a memory suppressed?

One of my assailants has a false memory of the assault.

She remembers smashing glass, but doesn't remember slashing my arm and shoulder in what looked at an attempt to get at vital blood vessels.

She remembers the colours of the things that she smashed falsely as well.

[drael]

It is easy enough to implant a new memory or simply erase something with hypnosis. We technique that a hypnotist would use is not nearly as effective as what the ptb would use.

ie the hypnotist memory implant would wear out over time, whereas the ptbs memory implant will only ever possibly maybe come out under hypnosis or similar - although a neutral and good hypnotist would be required, the hypnotist should never lead it can generate false memories, and the memory may not be exactly as how it occured also. (the subconcious mind can often mask pain and trauma with symbolism)

Ive certain heard of these kinds of tactics, used for the two purposes, "breaking" a person - so they dont tell, or recruiting a person which happens if they actually stay sane through the process. Ive heard it called psychognosis, its a state similar to schizophenia or LSD which is the aimed effect of the obscure and confusing events and harrassments. The intent is to make ones reality seem fluid, non-physical - a brutal magickal initiation process. If one can tolerate that for a couple of months of full intensity your a new member, otherwise its some kind of mental illness (usually schizophrenia).

Sometimes they just touch on people, sometimes its just a sort of persistant harassment, or more usually a process intensifying over half a year, to a year.

If your subject to this sort of attack, imo there good news. You just dont do whatever it is that annoys them, and they stop. If your unfortunate enough to be a permenant target for some obscure reason, then of course this wont work!

[deathcultreject]

If your subject to this sort of attack, imo there good news. You just dont do whatever it is that annoys them, and they stop. If your unfortunate enough to be a permenant target for some obscure reason, then of course this wont work!

I'm a permenant target.

Do you have links to information on this matter?

[drael]

Um, on the net i really know of a few links from here about it. Theres a thread in ufos/aliens etc called "am i an alien?", which links to here http://www.freewebs.com/imandrewmurphy/

hes a pretty serious permenant target. (warning very long story, but may give some ideas on dealing with it)

Um theres mention of it in a thread here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563

to do with gnosis and recruitment.

[herebynightfall]

There's this Book.

Spirit Guide Contact Through Hypnosis

Supposedly really great.

[deathcultreject]

Um, on the net i really know of a few links from here about it. Theres a thread in ufos/aliens etc called "am i an alien?", which links to here http://www.freewebs.com/imandrewmurphy/

hes a pretty serious permenant target. (warning very long story)

Um theres mention of it in a thread here

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563

to do with gnosis and recruitment.

Thanks.

One of the things that I'm trying to do is to distill all the proven parts into theories which explain a lot of it.

It's a lot harder for the cult and their "useful idiots" to shout it down when it's neatly presented.

The problem is, people don't seem to remember things neatly when they're awakening.

They arer all over the place, and they go putting the blame onto inflitrated groups who, the abusers hide in.

[esse]

Hey DeathCultReject - have you read Fritz Springmeier's work - there's three books he did with a survivor of mind control they're amazing and full of all kinds of information. There are so many levels of things going on and being done to mind control victims - there are MK Ultra type victims, traumatized even before birth born into families of generational abuse, there are people who get abused later as children in daycare, homes of family friends, churches, etc, etc - There are cults and covens of all shapes and sizes - so there is a real range of things going on (not to mention all the programming and conditioning we are all subject to just living in society) I think finding a real teacher and lineage is the greatest blessing - Sounds like you have a world of love on yr side there my friend. Check out
http://www.whale.to/b/mind_control.html and more specifically
http://fritz-springmeier.dbs2000ad.com/ - he's awesome. In jail now for doing all of this.
What sort of abuse background are you speaking about if you want to go into it?
At any rate - you are the light that is directly seeing and revealing the shadows. Never forget it.

[esse]

I have mixed feelings about hypnotism... It is a tool - not the most awareness cultivating sort of approach, I agree it is far superior to adopt an attitude of understanding and learning to use our faculties without having to command and control them in robotic ways, though at the same time I recognize that these commands do function to some degree - how deeply they go I really don't know. Whether or not long term change is effected by hypnotic work without constant repetition I can't say I have enough experience in the matter to be of any authority. I took my mother once to a hypnotist for relaxation, it worked a little for a short time, I think meditation would be much more change effecting and go much deeper. I do think commands don't work nearly as well on humans as understanding. I am interested in the technique as a way to recover repressed memories - does anyone have any experience of using hypnotism to recover trauma layered thru mind control and repressed memories of this sort. I'd imagine the controllers would program in commands and alters to stop detection, but would be really interested to see what the people that work in the field and have experience in general have to say about this as a possibility.

[denworth]

Coincidentally, I found this nice link yesterday.

http://gplant.de/files/%23eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/Illuminati-NWO/Illuminati%20Mind%20Controled%20Slaves.pdf

So, on what charge did they imprison Fritz Springmeier?

[chicken]

Thank-you all for your replies

There is so much here to get my teeth into. Better start at the beginning then :D

Chicken.....

[chicken]

Chicken, this isn't madness on your part.

It happens to a lot of people.

PEOPLE DO BELIEVE YOU, AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE YOU.

The amount of money and effort invested in targeting people with psychological abuse is almost unbelievable.

The people who do the targeting end up surrounded by dead bodies and nervous breakdowns from the people who trusted them or were forced to endure the things which they try to promote as normal or cool.

I think that targets who talk are much safer than targets who don't.

there's a thread here for mind control survivers to talk about their experiences.

http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopic-57940-0.html

I'm sure that some of the survivers there will be pleased to hear from you.


I will look at that site - thanks.....

I have just contacted mind and am going to speak to someone there. Its mental health and not mental health if you know what I mean.

I've heard about this people being put out and then they were never the same again... However I have now worked out that my targetting goes back to when I was 17, something like that. I was warned that I was not to travel, and that e-harassment was part of what I was going to get and it would involve the colour pink.

My dad was a "mason"

"Mystical Symbolism" ooooookay... - right we really are in nutbar territory now...... I just did not believe this stuff. I was presented with a "skit" which I saw - thought it was odd and moved on. I thought it was somebody larking about - three seperate incidents in one week. Did I think it was about me - uuum - NO! then I had all this stuff happen - and it could still be about any of my family - infact my dad was targetted first....."he travelled", so did I.... Were we hit - yes we both were...

PEOPLE DO BELIEVE YOU, AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE YOU.

I have five family and friends who "get it" - they are non TI's and the evidence is so strong - they were witnesses to it...So they believe.

I think that targets who talk are much safer than targets who don't.

Not sure about that - was warned walk around it and you will keep walking. Not your everyday threat that.....

Chicken

[chicken]

Drael : you said - s it possible you have had a memory suppressed? the black cabal often harrass people like this when they know something they shouldnt. Dont discount it, ive heard plenty of stories like this - usually they are either trying to recruit you, or drive you mad to destroy a witness's credibility. It doesnt sound as serious as it can get, so your probably not a major threat to them.

If you have time, theres a story of such harassment in the aliens forum, under "am i an alien?". Its and unusual story, but the individual there was targeted and theres a few tips you could probably get out of that.
__________________

Umm - yes - I worked it out - but so have many others. Also they have either stayed with the belief system or not. If you stay with it - you are "dead" in more ways than one. If you let go of it and just accept that the bastards are going to do it anyway. Like rolling over and saying "come and get me - I mind - but I'll just swallow it?" Then you will just be got anyway in my opinion. Which is worse?

Not a major threat? - ok - being followed around, chased, spat at, etc etc Intimidated, mocked etc etc. Not a threat. Oh I think I am - you see have lots of people believe - so therefore not good that. This is supposed to be gnostic and a secret. I was rung up and "told" what was going to happen - my life was going to be very negative - I would start again. It was CO$ - they might be the ones doing this or not - either way "deception" springs to mind..

I discovered that having flu is a normal thing once in a while - but not for 8 years. Had all the tests and discovered that "nothing" was wrong with me. So I then discovered excessive electromagnetics in the system will artificially create flu - found on conventional and conspiracy sites that info.

Chicken...

[chicken]

Thank you very much for this drael.

Recriuting / destroying sanity / destroying credability might make an explanation.

I think that we need to use our own magic against it, they very are frightened of magic.

What magic? and also - yes the statement is true - it is called cause stalking - or organised stalking. It has a basis in mental health - infact it is mental health.........

Chicken

[deathcultreject]

What magic? and also - yes the statement is true - it is called cause stalking - or organised stalking. It has a basis in mental health - infact it is mental health.........

Chicken

Most kinds of magic, anything with a paranormal / spritual current of justice that will work against them.

[deathcultreject]

I've heard about this people being put out and then they were never the same again... However I have now worked out that my targetting goes back to when I was 17, something like that. I was warned that I was not to travel, and that e-harassment was part of what I was going to get and it would involve the colour pink.


I think that there is a current of awakening from this kind of abuse which is speeding up.

Whoever they are, they got greedy and wanted too many slaves.

Their methods went out into organised crime, and now their methods get used inneptly so much, it's becoming like a vaccination.

Magic and prayer seems to disrupt the structures of organisation that they need.

There are so many criminaly insane people involved in their operations, they are more likely to fight each other all the time.

[sunyatta60]

Some interesting articles on Hypnotism can be found here by scrolling the list :)

http://www.mindpowernews.com/archives.htm


Not he is great who can alter matter, but he who can alter my state of mind.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

[chicken]

what they are using is the model of the New physics phenomena - not magic. I wish one could fight like with like - like jam the signals. It would probably impossible anyway - so many have tried it...The new Physics is connected to the so called spiritual side or belief. It has been well documented throughout the history of it. I prefer the down to earth approach - no gods, no spirits, demons etc etc.

Its demonic people doing this to humans - they are psychopaths, sociopaths - who have been dragged into this nightmare

I am 41 - (24 years then a target).... I also see that my families assciation with Jehovah Witnesses may have some kind of connection. I may be barking up the wrong tree here. But whatever in the end freemasonry and JW - both cults....I am shocked at the revelation that this is in my family....

It probably was a vaccination....:confused: They got greedy? well I was told it was about Power and money - they said I would start again? :(

How do they know? Have they got a crystal ball then?

Chicken

[rossus]

my friend is a Jehovah Witness;
he is pretty happy compared to most people I know.

so, i guess Jehovah-Religion is not (always) that bad.

[chicken]

Still - I see what you say - but in the end humans are at the end of all this - they can be evil as well as good....

It just depends on who you mix with doesn't it. What you want to achieve. My other gripe is with "mental health" yep, most people have a thing about it..... But I mean with evidence in that these people are being controlled by something in the system which is not good - the system stinks. Many users will say that without hesitation.

I think in my case and other targeted individuals - you become a bit more interesting to them, so the perping takes place in the system as well.

I think that mental health are involved in things like drug running, peadophilia, child abuse etc etc.... It seems to be one of their operation arms. I once had a person "posing" as a mental health specialist and he said he knew nothing about mental health....?

anyway - hypnosis - thought about going to have some to undo what she may have done. It turns out that I am chipped instead. So - do I have evidence - NO! but the body effects are vast and annoying. Like electrical feet, vibrating body, constant machine like hissing in the head - this is not the only effect, so what can I do now?

I have no idea....??
Chicken

[drael]

Hi chicken.

As for the severity of your abuse, i was only going on what was mentioned. But going on what you now say, this seems like your typical sort of case...

If you stay with it - you are "dead" in more ways than one. If you let go of it and just accept that the bastards are going to do it anyway. Like rolling over and saying "come and get me - I mind - but I'll just swallow it?" Then you will just be got anyway in my opinion. Which is worse?

Well thats where this is tricky of course. Your main two options are to a) try and resist/live with it b) go their "gnostic" route. The people who survive this without becoming either insane or members are rare - you need basically to have the will to withstand it long enough, and you need to draw public attention where possible. It takes a strong will not to be got, but it is possible.

This is supposed to be gnostic and a secret. I was rung up and "told" what was going to happen - my life was going to be very negative - I would start again

Its just part of the mind games. Now if you tell anyone about this, it will seem more incredulous...

It was CO$ - they might be the ones doing this or not - either way "deception" springs to mind..


Well church of satan doesnt exist anymore, its been replaced by the temple of set. But this is the philosophy of the ptb anyway. They are a black magickal religion, why else would they network via the occult secret societies?

what they are using is the model of the New physics phenomena - not magic. I wish one could fight like with like - like jam the signals. It would probably impossible anyway - so many have tried it...The new Physics is connected to the so called spiritual side or belief. It has been well documented throughout the history of it. I prefer the down to earth approach - no gods, no spirits, demons etc etc.

These things are amazingly the same thing (new physics/magick). Look into david wilcock if you get the chance (his free e-books on physics). This is WHY magick and prayer can be used against them, because its all based on the longitutidanal waveform, aka torsion feild/scalar wave etc. Its not about gods or demons, its about the concious minds ability to influence reality -the mind is a powerful torsion feild generater (and also about things like geometry, material properties etc). Hopefully as the info get outs ppl will realise that spirituality is but a remnant of an ancient grand unified science. Even ignoring all that, this harassment process is about mental fortitude, it is a initiatory process, so knowledge of magick and practice of spiritual techniques may well help anyway.

they said I would start again?

How do they know? Have they got a crystal ball then?


Well this could be a suggestion/plant, ie something they intend to be self-forfilling. But ive heard they do have predictive technology, its a complex computer modelling system that give probabilites of outcomes.

anyway - hypnosis - thought about going to have some to undo what she may have done. It turns out that I am chipped instead. So - do I have evidence - NO! but the body effects are vast and annoying. Like electrical feet, vibrating body, constant machine like hissing in the head - this is not the only effect, so what can I do now?

I have no idea....??


Ive heard of some doctors that remove these. Its rare, but maybe a possibility?

[chicken]

Drael - have you heard of this before then?

Well thats where this is tricky of course. Your main two options are to a) try and resist/live with it b) go their "gnostic" route. The people who survive this without becoming either insane or members are rare - you need basically to have the will to withstand it long enough, and you need to draw public attention where possible. It takes a strong will not to be got, but it is possible.


I am trying to educate my mother - we are getting there - partially she was present during my phone calls, which then meant she questioned all I was getting. I also recieved the daily text messages about my life - as we know the zodiac is an occult practise. The text messages said what had happened the previous day - so in reverse basically.... Explain that. My mother is convinced its someone we know.....

I am trying very hard to appear normal. I was told not to get upset. Now I know why on two accounts. a) to show normal behaviour b) so that they do not come back for another dig - this happened once, so will have to not get upset

I am very concerned for my future - yes heard that is is about being insane if you stay on the good side, if you join them - you become a perp basically. I have read masses about how this works. But in actuality it takes some time to get it in your head as a working situation....

I think I will be got..... Well - I am got already. I wonder if my dads connection with freemasonry did it. He was a perp, lived on the dodgy side of life.

Its just part of the mind games. Now if you tell anyone about this, it will seem more incredulous...


Having a witness to this helped. I have told others and they believe it. All pretty much has happened and they said it was about "duality" Inside events and outside events. Both rely on the mind to process and observe. One you could see, the other not. I am referring to Cause stalking and E-harassmment. I have had not much difficulty convincing others. However the perps do not like it - "exposure" is a word they do not like....

Here we are talking about mind and matter...

Well church of satan doesnt exist anymore, its been replaced by the temple of set. But this is the philosophy of the ptb anyway. They are a black magickal religion, why else would they network via the occult secret societies?


yep - knew that Aquino's lot. I live in an area that serves the Order of the Nine Angles and also live in a village that has direct connections with the Theosophical Society (Anna Kingsford), she was one of the UK's first female doctors and for a little while ran the London office of the TS - she then moved on to the Hermetics and the the Order of the Golden Dawn. So it is as occult as it comes this area. I did not realise it - until I looked into the history of the area to see the what the locals had been part of or subjected to. Apart from that we also have 40 lodges and this is in the area associated with Darwin. Darwin (eugenics) and Hitler connections are apparent to this area too. Many documents written on Darwin, Hitler and the Occult.

I was told as well about my demise by a Occult expert apparently. They knew too much. a) i am on a list somewhere? b) the connections up here that I spoke to are part of the network

These things are amazingly the same thing (new physics/magick). Look into david wilcock if you get the chance (his free e-books on physics). This is WHY magick and prayer can be used against them, because its all based on the longitutidanal waveform, aka torsion feild/scalar wave etc. Its not about gods or demons, its about the concious minds ability to influence reality -the mind is a powerful torsion feild generater (and also about things like geometry, material properties etc). Hopefully as the info get outs ppl will realise that spirituality is but a remnant of an ancient grand unified science. Even ignoring all that, this harassment process is about mental fortitude, it is a initiatory process, so knowledge of magick and practice of spiritual techniques may well help anyway.


They are - my husband is a physics specialist and we have quite a few books I can dig into. I just did not realise the connections. I was told not to mediate or use visualisations as part of the crystal ball gazing package. I always said that spirituality was the new science - its kind of come full circle - infact it has always been there as you say. I have been reading about Bohm and Karl Pribham and see the links and connections with the spiritual and the science. I have also been reading about God and science. I t covers a lot of what you say here. You say it in simple terms which I understand.

The CO$ have fingers in many pies and I believe that my initial wave of harassment was connected with something big - the perping was all over the country. Everything I was subjected to was in two's two hand gliders, two vans on fire. two cars parked in lay byes - same colour and make. They really pulled out the stops. Infact we could say it was beyond extreme - the purse strings must be bottom less. Stayed in room 2, or 11 in hotels. Had twins clean rooms in hotel? So know that the network works well when used.
They use mystical symbolism to get the point across - I can see it in their terms and mine (everyday reality)

They have tried to kill me twice.....sent occult stuff through the door, hang mans noose etc etc.... so seems connected to freemasonry - or that group is doing that bit locally

I am just confused as to why I have been targetted? However the pink sink episode, petrol knicking of a whole street of cars and bins on top of lamposts - was the info I needed. I have always been hassled by this bloke who it turns out did this - the pranks.....I always wondered why he was rude. Recently I saw him and he out of the blue said I was not welcome and I was not Cornish. So I returned the favour - by gently and politely insulted him back. He is not Cornish either
Pink sink = I had pink hair when I was hit...."sinking" ... do I need to explain that?
Bin on lampost = covered energy and light = e-harassment
Petrol taken = don't travel

did I travel - yes, went off and got a degree


Well this could be a suggestion/plant, ie something they intend to be self-forfilling. But ive heard they do have predictive technology, its a complex computer modelling system that give probabilites of outcomes.


There was an element of that within the the stuff they told me. They said they had worked me out and they used a technique which was old to do that connected to my personality..... "Oxford Capacity Test" which is CO$ territory. I have to be careful as do not want to get involved in law suits.....;)

when I was five I was taken to a gate in a park - by a bloke who escaped from a mental health facility in south london. This particular facility is known for inmates to escape. The last ones - being in 2003 and 2005


yes - I know - only two people have successfully had implants removed....

chicken

[chicken]

The people who survive this without becoming either insane or members are rare - you need basically to have the will to withstand it long enough, and you need to draw public attention where possible. It takes a strong will not to be got, but it is possible.

I want to address this a bit more - if you are implanted then the idea is that you be their slave.

I can see that very clearly. They can alter brain states, put you out, wake you up - make you live anywhere they want. Due to the network

At present they are going for the job angle - the community are participating. In this area - something is running it. "Power of the people"

I was told to look at the media and the news and newspapers - now many targets say that the tv was talking to them. I had one example of this - when Ben Elton talked about the Power of Now book I had been reading at the time and I very quietly freaked - and just turned the tv off and did not read the papers or tv for months after. Now I can as I can see what this is all about.

I decided to experiment and in Darwin central - the centre of town, the buses all have names - so I entered each name/word into the dictionary and it related to mind control.....mostly and my marriage.

my husbands ring was pinched from the house in 91 and I had cmht - say to me ooh look I've lost my wedding ring during an interview with them.... So scratching my head - I can see it. When you have strange out of the ordinary events - you have to look at them . If they are in a sequence and the same thing is being said but in different ways - you look and take note.....

I also lived in Luton - which is the strong hold of the IRA - which has the Ancient Order of Hibernia the only Catholic freemasonry order that I know of.....I was hassled there by my neighbour who stalked me.....

I just did not get the relevance of it - after 20 years of car damage - I do now.......

Anyway the buses....

"Shamrock" - Ireland - Harp = "Haarp"
"Heritage" - family connection = "Death of an Individual, Passing on Goods"
"John Bull" - personification of Britain, commonsense, good intentions = "Powerful"
"Sovereign" - "A extremely successful way of dealing with a problem"
" Lies with the people to conduct own affairs"
" Love is a soverign remedy for unhappiness"
"Prince of Wales" - Monarch - Power - Butterfly = Operation Monarch"
"La Hirondelle" - Swallow it - Hermit ="Horrendous"
"Hibernia" - Irish group or culure. Irish persons
"High Flyer" - "me as a person" - "Highly educated" or "I hate Heights?"
"Union" - the action or fact of uniting or being united. a state of harmony or agreement. a marriage. a club, society, or association formed by people with a common interest or purpose
"Victory" - Victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror; victory, however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. (Winston Churchill)

etc.... See what I mean...........Winston was a eugenics lover too as well as Hitler. AND the freemasons were well into this phenomena too....

[chicken]

I want to come back to hypnotism and its connections to NLP and the books I was asked to read and I will lay out how this kind of connected to cults....


It is no doubt in my mind they are using software to "attack" me - they said it not me....I have been told that I will end up in a secure unit - for the criminally insane?

Chicken

[rastamasta]

anyway - hypnosis - thought about going to have some to undo what she may have done. It turns out that I am chipped instead. So - do I have evidence - NO! but the body effects are vast and annoying. Like electrical feet, vibrating body, constant machine like hissing in the head


I've got two Idea's for you.

Hypnagogia (also spelled hypnogogia) describes vivid dreamlike auditory, visual, or tactile sensations, which are often accompanied by sleep paralysis and experienced when falling asleep or waking up.

Hypnagogic sensations

The hypnagogic experience occurs between being awake and asleep, while the hypnopompic experience occurs as one is waking up; both experiences occur within the time period between sleep and waking (or vice versa). Experienced qualities vary, and include fear, awareness of a "presence," chest or back pressure, and an inability to breathe (hence the folkloric notion of mara-like creatures tormenting sleepers), a falling sensation or a feeling of tripping (as hypnic jerks are interpreted by the brain).

During the hypnagogic state, an individual may appear to be fully awake, but has brain waves indicating that the individual is technically sleeping. Also, the individual may be completely aware of their state, which enables lucid dreamers to enter the dream state consciously directly from the waking state (see wake-initiated lucid dream technique).

The hypnagogic state is sometimes proposed as an explanation of experiences such as alien abduction, apparitions, or visions.

Hypnagogia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or this one might sound totally mad but hey.

Dr. Roger Leir, author of "Aliens and the Scalpel,"

He and his surgical team have performed nine surgeries on alleged alien abductees. This resulted in the removal of ten separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants. These objects have been scientifically investigated by some of the most prestigious laboratories in the world.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guests/102.html

http://www.alienscalpel.com/main.htm

[chicken]

its all madness......

Looked into both of those aleady - thanks for the suggestion.... Firstly "electronic hypnosis" is what I suffer from - so the hypnogogic state could be in there somewhere.... I do not suffer from hallucinations or apparitions. I am cause stalked and suffer from e-harassment.

"Belief" is an interesting concept.....

Principle

I cannot deny what I see with my own eyes.
How it works
In our interactions with others, we often disagree and know that they will try to persuade us. If you tell me something, I can easily deny it, effectively saying that you are either mistaken or a liar.
Evidence, however, comes from outside the other person, which means we cannot attribute it to their person, and must judge it independently.
Evidence is particularly powerful for disconfirmation and destroying beliefs. If I find out about my partner cheating on me, all faith and trust are instantly destroyed. Such a change can cause a significant emotional response.

http://changingminds.org/explanations/explanations.htm

What are beliefs?

Here's a simple definition:
A belief is an assumed truth.
Thus, everything is a belief -- including this statement.
We create beliefs to anchor our understanding of the world around us and thus, once we have formed a belief, we will tend to persevere with that belief.
Beyond belief
The corollary of our definition of belief is that if we know something to be true, then it is more than a belief. The tricky question now is 'How do we know that something is always true?' Just because in our experience it has always been true, it doesn't necessarily follow that it will continue to be true.
We usually belief that things will happen as they have previously happened, because it is useful to do so. As such, this means that everything is a belief. Which is good, from a persuasion standpoint. Because beliefs can be changed.

Persuasion principles

Much of persuasion and other forms of changing minds is based on a relatively small number of principles. If you can understand the principles, then you can invent your own techniques. It thus makes sense to spend time to understand these principles (persuaded yet?).


Chicken

[chicken]

NLP Strategy - Coaching - Hypnotism

1. Identify what you would like to change or improve
2. Think and feel what would having the change in your life mean to you. Take an intelligent action towards it
3. Altering bodies physiology to achieve emotional state
4. Ask specific questions to achieve and create favourable psychology
5. Defining goals and limiting beliefs
6. Levering change by associating behaviour you want to change with unbearable pain and pleasure
7. Interrupting limiting patterns by doing something unexpected
8. Generating the enthusiasm and power to work towards your goals visualising the desired result

Tony Robbins does his version which actually very similiar

Ok this fits with the Pavlovian conditioning concept....

Stage One

Pavlovian = Equivilant phase, which is about looking at you and strong and weak stimuli (your beliefs). This is the breaking phase......

Coaching =books given to read

"Four Agreements" - Don Miquel Ruiz (truisms and life agreements)
Toltec Ancient Mayan Cult group....(mind control) ( forget what you know and begin a new life)

Hoponopono - Huna psychic Cult - Dr Len and his criminally insane psychiatric patients (mind control) - this was to do with self- identity

Byron Katie - "Loving what is" - Lester Levenson and his Sedona methods - Cult based in California desert. Called the release technique - Create a new begining, change your life, reversing and reframing, dismantling core beliefs and judgements. Transformational......

We did exercises on truisms - yes!! Checked to see if hypnosis effects work on me - Double bind confusion techniques hidden in the Byron Katie book

Stage Two

Pavlovian = Paradoxical phase- weak stimuli is changed to strong stimuli - also called indoctrination

Coaching =books given to read

Eckhart Tolle - related to Theosophical Society and EST Landmark - an early form of life coaching. Power of Now and The New Earth. Books are about. The ego, the reversals - relativism. No-one will be on your side, life will be unhelpful, you will have massive weeble moments, you will not enjoy life. Books are related to Plato philosophy if you know about theosophy then you will know its about reversals. Its about double speak and think. They are both cults (Mind control). Both also refer to frequencies and brain states - you have no control over this - its going to happen to you anyway - your ego will disappear......or virtually non-existent

M Rosenberg - Non violent Communication CNVC is also related to cults - courses tht get you to spend money. EST was run by Jack Rosenberg aka Wiener Erehardt (Eckharde Erehardt)
(mind control) - she tried to get me to go on these courses....Some course participants have made entries to Rick Ross's cult site and pointed out is problems... A bit like CO$ courses - get you to spend more and more

How to access a spiritual life? reading thought patterns, thoughts in mind, repeating mistakes - will your future be better than today?

Both books are repetitive, dysfunctional and negative in nature, perpetual problems - it will not get better, interferance of spiritual development and daily functions and you will suffer from the pain body.

what do I suffer from...... painful body?

Stage Three

Pavlovian = Ultra Paradoxical phase- weak stimuli is changed to strong stimuli - strong stimuli is changed to weak - Refreezing stage
Coaching =books given to read

Highly sensitive person by Elaine Aron

NLP books - Bandler and others related to Rapport and NLP for dummies etc etc.....

Cause stalking - people talking about you - directly and indirectly - you appear to be sensitive...Loss of employment, life etc etc

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So you see I have been done over. I was put out via Eriksonian conversational techniques during the indoctrination stage. The layout is not very helpful. It is better to be laid downwards in channels from top to bottom. I have a chart to see how it worked against my brain states, dates, concepts, pick and mix spirituality which was the books and outcomes.

I am not a negative person and I have not been over powered by the content of the books or meanings. So that is not what threw me - it was the e-harassment. Pain and pleasure - pain for nearly killing me and pleasure - well e-harassment is known for sexual manipulation. Like magic, something inside touching parts we don't mention.

Most targets say they suffer from induced heart attacks - thats what I had - the pain made me dis-associate which is a monarch starting point in programming terms - was this hypnotism - trance =electronic hypnotism....

I am intelligent and thoughtful with a broad open approach to life. I am so frightened now of what is going to happen to me.

I am then told its the CO$ or Landmark who did this - both were heavily involved in Mind control research and perfection during and after MKULTRA

In 1951 - Hubbard put out this statement...

Bearing in mind that he is into brain states - its his use of theta which in his new language = thought

The Theta-MEST theory

stating that thought (Theta) is seperate from the physical universe (Matter, Energy, Space and Time - MEST): that Theta can operate in and with MEST, that Theta can consider itself integrated with MEST and that Theta can consider itself to be MEST, but creative thought and perception reside in Theta not MEST.....

[chicken]

Hubbard then goes on in 1951 to publish a book called the Science of Survival - in it he says that it "Dianetics" processing to uncover pain-drug hypnosis. It was only later that the CIA began to uncover via Congress the serious allegations of the abuse of people during the MKULTRA years. People like Sydney Gottlieb and others tried to destroy all the evidence - though they missed 18,000 documents....

In 1952 - Hubbard delivers 50 or so lectures on the state Operating Thetan - which is what I have heard that OT's are psychic

" described as being stably exterior from the body and able to percieve, communicate and operate in the physical universe without reliance on the sense channels or mechanics of the body"

MY MIND IS READ - AM I GA GA? I HAVE SO MANY COINCIDENCES - THOUGHTS ARE REPLAYED BACK TO ME. This is mind rape, implants can do this.....

Chicken

[chicken]

http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/NewCrit-JPSS-CS2.htm
On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of Mind Invasive Technology, Carole Smith, Journal of Psycho-Social Studies , Vol 2(2) No 3 2003

These criminals have the ability to :-

a. place a human subject under continuous surveillance, no matter where he/she is, from remote locations - a form of fair game......Following them around, creating stupid skits etc etc.........

b. continuously monitor a human brain from remote locations, including thought, reaction, motor command, auditory event and visual image reading.

c. continuously input directly into a human brain from remote locations, including the ability to override, control and alter consciousness, and to introduce voices, noises, other disturbances, images and "dreams" into the brain.

d. directly interfere with, abuse, torture and hit bodies - including performing advanced medical problems - from remote locations

e. directly interfere with, alter, insert etc. data, files, communications and legal evidence from remote locations - even during transmission

f. make live TV, and other screens and monitors, two-way - for surveillance, invasion of privacy etc.

g. control the flow of information and orchestrate the media worldwide

By these means I have been :-

1. continuously - 24 hours a day 7 days a week mentally and physically monitored. (1983-present)

2. subjected to sleep deprivation torture.

3. continuously subjected to sensory and mental torture by being and psychologically abused, goaded, disturbed and engaged with by the stalkers.. This takes the form of a running commentary with a personally codified system responses to my thoughts, activities and biorhythms - both straightforwardly and with echo, repetition. This sensory and mental torture directly into the brain has varied from extreme causing near-complete mental breakdown and desperation, to loud, intensive and continuous noises in the head, to milder. It is all, however, unignorable and inescapable, and it is profoundly degradeding my physical life and being.

4. repeatedly and relentlessly subjected to electrical abuse and torture on the genitals - electric currents are applied to my genitals at different intensities and positions, often continuously for extended periods of time. This ranges from mildly disturbing to extremely torturous. The cumulative affect is sickening and constant mental and physical stress and tension. This electrical abuse and torture on the genitals is applied at any time of the day or night. I am often woken up by the application of electric currents to my genitals - night after night after night.

5. continuously subjected to multiple nightly neurological experiments and interventions

6. subjected to "deep" neurological interventions on my brain creating a lasting "lobotomised" effect – some similar to being sledge-hammered in the brain. Repeatedly subjected to multiple other experiments and interventions on other areas of my brain. Bouncing of the brain, reversing it, internal shifts etc etc....

7. subjected to various other mental, physical and social tortures, degradations and dirty tricks. They tried the tv trick.....

As an ancillary to these each and every night I am repeatedly put to sleep, woken up, made to go to the toilet etc etc......

Each and every waking hour I am thought and image read, and continuously subjected to the various forms of sensory and mental torture by being aurally and psychologically abused, goaded, disturbed and engaged with - directly into the brain.

Thus my human rights, liberty and privacy have been completely violated and ALL aspects and degrees of my human freedom, individuality and mental and physical integrity and health profoundly assaulted, tortured and wrecked in this ongoing totalitarian nightmare.

Both the technologies and the perpetrators of these atrocities remain secret and unprosecuted! Though the history is massively discussed.....


Beware of the neuronal phrenologists/determinists/reductionists, and the thought, imagination and feelings police/cullers/delimiters and prosecutors who are already literally and physically actively at work amongst us!! Both monstrously and criminally, and also far more insidiously.

Chicken

[rwolf]

I don't think any of you really know what Hypnosis is.

So you say you're Hypnotists or you been Hypnotised.

Here's a Test to see how much you really know about Hypnosis and Hypnotism.

I am about to Hypnotise you I sit you down and what is the first thing I say to you, its standard stuff you should know what I'm about to say If you know what Hypnosis is.

I will teach anyone who's interested everything I know about Hypnosis and how to be a Hypnotist I will give it away for free on the David Icke forums.

All Hypnosis is self-hypnosis.

Sign-up below if you're interested.

Hypnotic Wolf

[chicken]

http://www.whale.to/b/estabrooks.html :

"HYPNOSIS COMES OF AGE" by G. H. Estabrooks, PH.D.
Science Digest April, 1971, pp. 44 - 50
Abstract:

This psychologist reminisces about his long career as a hypnotist: how he "programmed" American spies with hypnosis: how he helped businessmen and students with his skills.

Dr. Estabrooks is a Rhodes Scholar. He took his Doctorate at Harvard ('26), and has authored many articles and books on clinical hypnosis and human behavior.
This excerpt details Dr. Estabrooks work with Military intelligence during and after WWII.

[deathcultreject]

I don't think any of you really know what Hypnosis is.

So you say you're Hypnotists or you been Hypnotised.

Here's a Test to see how much you really know about Hypnosis and Hypnotism.

I am about to Hypnotise you I sit you down and what is the first thing I say to you, its standard stuff you should know what I'm about to say If you know what Hypnosis is.

I will teach anyone who's interested everything I know about Hypnosis and how to be a Hypnotist I will give it away for free on the David Icke forums.

All Hypnosis is self-hypnosis.

Sign-up below if you're interested.

Hypnotic Wolf

In a clinical induction, you would probably ask ovious questions and answer them yourself.

The Patients existing conditioning would make them politely repeat your self answering, more so if they already saw you as someone like a doctor whom they should be polite to.

Does that sound like a typical 'script'?

[rwolf]

But don't worry because if you're interested and anyone else who's interested I will explain everything I know about hypnosis on this forum, on a new thread.

Hopefully I'll get some more replies.

Maybe I'll start explaining later tonight, starting with the theory of hypnosis.

(Henry Ford) If you think you can or you think you can't - Your right.
Classic hypnotic quotation.

Anyone here been hypnotized by an hypnotic snake? I have

[adimon]

I don't think any of you really know what Hypnosis is.

So you say you're Hypnotists or you been Hypnotised.

Here's a Test to see how much you really know about Hypnosis and Hypnotism.

I am about to Hypnotise you I sit you down and what is the first thing I say to you, its standard stuff you should know what I'm about to say If you know what Hypnosis is.

I will teach anyone who's interested everything I know about Hypnosis and how to be a Hypnotist I will give it away for free on the David Icke forums.

All Hypnosis is self-hypnosis.

Sign-up below if you're interested.

Hypnotic Wolf

Sounds intriguing. Count me in.

Have you seen "Inland Empire" wolf?

[greenleaf]

I found this in my partners files... can you evaluate it and let me know...

The Art of Hypnotism, Self Hypnosis and Hypnotizing others...

Many years ago I went to a Hypnotist learn the Art. He taught me how to hypnotize myself and others. It is actually an easy process involving very little study and practice. You must remember.... not everyone can be hypnotized. Some people are so wrapped up in their thoughts of every day worries that they can not simply concentrate. In order to be hypnotized... you must be able to relax and and clear your mind just the same as you would during meditation..
I would suggest trying it on your self before trying it on others. Here are the steps to hypnotizing yourself....

1. Sit on a couch in the upright position and close your eyes and your arms at your side or in your lap. Do not move around. Just sit there and relax for a minute.

2. Clear your mind of all thoughts. How do you do this?.... simply imagine a big Dumpster or a very large metal box on your mental screen. Then see it open and put all your thoughts and worries in it one by one.... bills... your lovelife.... problems.... your children.... your job... everything you can think of. Then close the lid and lock it! Then push it off your mental screen.

3. Now sit there quietly with no thoughts for a minute. When you are ready to start... do not forget to tell yourself as you go through each part of the body that you are becoming more and more relaxed as you go. YOU MUST TELL YOURSELF THIS!

4. Now... start with your head.... imagine every part of your head relaxing... start with your eyes.... then go to your ears.... the mouth... all your facial muscles. spend time with each part to make sure it is fully relaxed.

5. Now go to your neck and do the same.

6. Now go to you whole chest and stomach region and start with your heart... slow it down and make make it at peace. Relax all you chest muscles and then your stomach area.

7. Now relax you arms feeling them going limp. Relax every muscle in your arms one by one including your fingers.

8. Next go to the groin area and relax all the muscle there.

9. Now it is time to do your legs.... start with the thighs and work you way down to the feet relaxing even every toe.

By this time you should be a be like a big lump of silly putty... totally relaxed and and at peace. Now here comes the fun part. This is where you will get to hypnotize yourself and see if it really works.....

1. Site there with you arms in you lap and or at your side and tell yourself that your right arm is getting very light. It is getting very, very light. Keep telling yourself this and feel how it is getting lighter. Tell yourself that it is getting so light that is is staring to raise up off your lap. Feel it it getting light as you keep telling yourself this and feel it raising up off you lap. It is getting lighter by the second and it is raising up higher and higher until it is up in the air.

2. Once you have achieved this and your arm is up in the air you may tell yourself it is getting heavy again and lower it to your lap. You will now tell yourself that you will awaken fully refreshed with energy and a clear mind.

3. Open your eyes and evaluate what you have done. Write down your experience in your magical journal. If you did not have success... try again later that day and keep trying until you are satisfied. If it never works for you.... you may be one of those who cannot be hypnotized.

Now.... this method can be used on someone else. Try it on your best friend... except you are the one who will be telling them to relax each part of their body. Then do the arm raising stunt with them and see if it works. Remember.... as you go through each part of the body with them... tell them they are getting more and more relaxed and sleepy. If this works then you can try more difficult things like making them do funny things...

Remember... DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS THAT WILL HURT THEM OR OTHERS!

You can also use this method to remember things and program yourself to lose weight or study better or what ever you so choose!

If you have been successful.... Congratulations! You now know how to Hypnotize!

[adimon]

from 'me julies' PC folder

Sorry, off-topic but that's made my day greenleaf! :D

A big SBC fan here! Especially Jean Girard! :)

[rwolf]

To adimon

No I have never seen Island Empire but I have just done a quick surf of it and its says a blonde actress in a film remake of of a doomed Polish production never finished due to an unspeakable tragedy, What of it?

I am not a great movie buff myself I believe horror and slasher movie damages you subconscions.

What is SBC?


To greenleaf

Not bad but that's just a tiny part of the full hypnotic induction its a bit old fashioned and you've missed out a few things which I will explain later.

[deathcultreject]

I'll look forwards to it, rwolf, so far you've allready backed up my ACC theory in the SRA as mind control thread, with

"(Henry Ford) If you think you can or you think you can't - Your right.
Classic hypnotic quotation."

I've been mesmerised for a few hours whilst I was handling 2 boas on sacred lotus. Does that count as 'hypnotised by a hypnotic snake'?

[rwolf]

I'll look forwards to it, rwolf, so far you've allready backed up my ACC theory in the SRA as mind control thread, with

"(Henry Ford) If you think you can or you think you can't - Your right.
Classic hypnotic quotation."

I've been mesmerised for a few hours whilst I was handling 2 boas on sacred lotus. Does that count as 'hypnotised by a hypnotic snake'?

Did you see the snakes eyes spinning? liked there's something going round the outside of them

I don't know how it works but it definitely got me

[deathcultreject]

Did you see the snakes eyes spinning? liked there's something going round the outside of them

I don't know how it works but it definitely got me

No, I like the feel of them and all the rainbows glittering in their scales.

Snakes mesmerise because it's in their nature. They're sensitive to vibrations and they don't like anxiety. They love alcohol on the breath, because it's a scent of early decay.

Try thinking about snakes and listening to venus in furs! You might find it's a sensuous induction just for the fun of it.

It's a shame they don't love like dogs and cats do.

[adimon]

No I have never seen Island Empire but I have just done a quick surf of it and its says a blonde actress in a film remake of of a doomed Polish production never finished due to an unspeakable tragedy, What of it? I am not a great movie buff myself I believe horror and slasher movie damages you subconscions.

'Inland Empire' is a great film - probably the best I've seen for 10 years. It will certainly enhance your subconscious, not damage it! :)

What is SBC?


Sacha Baron Cohen. a.k.a. Ali G a.k.a. Borat a.k.a Jean Girard

(Greenleaf mentioned an Ali G quote)

Will you still be revealing your hypnotism secrets?

[rwolf]

The answer to my question

I am about to hypnotise you I sit you down and what is the first thing I say to you?

The answer is called the Guarantee which I will explain later

I will be posting my Wolf Hypnosis in the Medical / Health / Healing section very soon please be patient

rWolf

[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=rwolf;260199]I don't think any of you really know what Hypnosis is.

So you say you're Hypnotists or you been Hypnotised.

What arrogance LOL Hypnotist who have been trained in different schools will conduct their sessions differently I said in an earlier post that:

Hypnotist guide the subject into trance

And I never felt the need to state the obvious that All Hypnosis is Self Hypnosis that is axiomatic.

[daddyzee]

all i have to say is for the serious modern day hypnotist wannabe

you need to study the work of Igor Ledochowski << dont know it the surname is spelt correct at this point in time.

if you wanna get free downloads of his work, then send me an email,
i also have many vids of NLP, Tad James, e.t.c

[deathcultreject]

all i have to say is for the serious modern day hypnotist wannabe

you need to study the work of Igor Ledochowski << dont know it the surname is spelt correct at this point in time.

if you wanna get free downloads of his work, then send me an email,
i also have many vids of NLP, Tad James, e.t.c

Tad James says some cools stuff about Huna, but his hypnosis stuff leads people to think that it's a good thing to be easily hypnotised. WTF?

I won't ask what planet he lives on, he lives on a little island in the Pacific, so he doesn't need to worry about the every day threat of getting conned, drug raped, brain washed, or giving away his passwords to a man in the pub, etc.

The hard facts about hypnosis are of course the Freedom of Information Act releases from MKULTRA. They say that hypnosis can be used to make people kill and commit suicide. etc. etc.

Who's this Igor Ledochowski guy, and what's his angle?

[debs67gb]

i remember my father being hypnotised quite a long time ago - he was the only one they couldnt wake up with the usual clicking of fingers and trigger words he sat there snoring away oblivious to everything around him - we had to wait two hours till he woke up lol