The Truth?

[paganus]

a hypothosis;suppose you want to rule the earth.suppose you know that a certain group of extra-terrestrial warriors will liberate the masses as soon as you do.would you use psychological techniques to implant false-memory syndrome concerning these heroes? would you slander them to all who would listen? would you portray them as a source of fear?would you diseminate disinformation to truthseekers like DI? and when they come,wouldnt the masses run to you for 'protection' aka enslavement as in problem-reaction-solution? just a thought.;)

[cruise4]

Those are certainly some of the variables we are dealing with. What matters is who, what, where.

[paganus]

Those are certainly some of the variables we are dealing with. What matters is who, what, where.all and i mean all,cultures that have recorded contact with reptilians(Dogons for example) have described a BENIGN race.the only 'evidence' to the contrary is from mind-control survivors.now why would they 'remember' that? not much else,just reptilians(occasionaly Greys)and we must face the fact that these are very damaged people.also take into account false-memory-syndrome i.e isle of Wight incident.

[cloudgazer]

Are you saying reptilians are the ones we should run to for protection?

[paganus]

Are you saying reptilians are the ones we should run to for protection?im saying do we know for a fact that we shouldnt? i fail to see why a species with their power would pretend to be human and engage in politics and other assorted carrers like acting in order to rule when they could just take power.its ridiculous unless they are undercover to 'steer' humanity.Blavatskys ascendent masters? if they feed on fear they could get more by openly ruling.

[mountain]

This is an important discussion. I started a thread in a joking way about reptilians being vegans here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15527&highlight=reptilian+vegans

But I was serious, this is something that needs to be deeply explored, considering how much history has been tampered with and how media is controlled. I honestly feel like reptilians are harmless. :):):):)

I have read many books, and I love the stories about the Cosmic Dragon. Also, Pleiadians are benelovent and describe themselves as birdlike and reptilian, and very feminine.

[paganus]

This is an important discussion. I started a thread in a joking way about reptilians being vegans here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15527&highlight=reptilian+vegans

But I was serious, this is something that needs to be deeply explored, considering how much history has been tampered with and how media is controlled. I honestly feel like reptilians are harmless. :):):):)

I have read many books, and I love the stories about the Cosmic Dragon. Also, Pleiadians are benelovent and describe themselves as birdlike and reptilian, and very feminine.me too.its classic scare tactics,keep people away from the very ones that would help.notice how hollywood movies almost always portray extraterrestrials as violent invaders.in 'independence day' its those that stand on a rooftop to welcome the aliens that get killed first! ever since the advent of abrahamic beliefs,reptiles have been portrayed as evil.its even become part of the language,'cold blooded' 'snake in the grass' 'crocodile tears' etc the Dogon tribe however recorded contact with reptilians in a very positive way.the chinese/japanese portray dragons as good beings.in fact anywhere abrahmism never took off/invaded they (reptiles) are portrayed as symbols of life,wisdom etc.fundamentalist christians have even written books on the 'evils' of ufo's.one woman i think her last names shiner(?)makes a career out of preaching against them!

[mountain]

me too.its classic scare tactics,keep people away from the very ones that would help.notice how hollywood movies almost always portray extraterrestrials as violent invaders.in 'independence day' its those that stand on a rooftop to welcome the aliens that get killed first! ever since the advent of abrahamic beliefs,reptiles have been portrayed as evil.its even become part of the language,'cold blooded' 'snake in the grass' 'crocodile tears' etc the Dogon tribe however recorded contact with reptilians in a very positive way.the chinese/japanese portray dragons as good beings.in fact anywhere abrahmism never took off/invaded they (reptiles) are portrayed as symbols of life,wisdom etc.fundamentalist christians have even written books on the 'evils' of ufo's.one woman i think her last names shiner(?)makes a career out of preaching against them!

Yes, I believe that this is where the rabbit hole goes even deeper. There is alot of fear and hatred towards reptilian races here on the forums and elsewhere I noticed.

I recently watched the movie "Pro-Life" about a horned reptilian entity impregnating a girl and it never killed anyone in the entire film, actually he wanted the baby and was saddened when they killed it. EVERYONE in the movie killed someone except the girl and the creature. A fine John Carpenter film, once again.

[phreedom]

you say some interesting things...

but therein lies the issue... their strength is not their numbers, that is humanities strength.

it's like star wars, only 2 sith but a shitload of jedi. The sith ruled the galaxy by taking control of the senate... but no one knew it... their identities and agendas were hidden, masked in secrecy, only to be revealed when it was too late for the masses to do anything about it...

They must "steer" humanity like a very large ship on a long voyage as to protect their own well-being and livelihood. To act drastically and stir up the masses, like mass murder of humans and such, would lead to their detriment.

[paganus]

you say some interesting things...

but therein lies the issue... their strength is not their numbers, that is humanities strength.

it's like star wars, only 2 sith but a shitload of jedi. The sith ruled the galaxy by taking control of the senate... but no one knew it... their identities and agendas were hidden, masked in secrecy, only to be revealed when it was too late for the masses to do anything about it...

They must "steer" humanity like a very large ship on a long voyage as to protect their own well-being and livelihood. To act drastically and stir up the masses, like mass murder of humans and such, would lead to their detriment.
not at all,because unlike your example it wouldnt be an even fight.greater numbers are no match for a species which has unimaginable weaponry,telekinisis,shape-shifting ability and back-up from other extra-terrestrial races.and why are their numbers less?they have a home world/dimension.there would be plenty more if they needed reinforcements.

[cloudgazer]

Well, I don't know if they are good, evil or neutral; or have all of those traits.

But I would agree that we shouldn't hate anything. Like seer74 says on here, "Only love can kill a demon" and I think that's true. If something is "evil" send love to it, if something is "good" send love to it.

That way you know you aren't going to harm something that may be innocent, and if it isn't innocent then perhaps it will realise the truth by the love you send to it :)

How can any of us really know about them? Even ones who have had negative experiences with reptilians first hand, that doesn't mean all reptilians are that way. I've heard that they are repelled by Love, and I see nothing wrong/harmful with Love.

[paganus]

Well, I don't know if they are good, evil or neutral; or have all of those traits.

But I would agree that we shouldn't hate anything. Like seer74 says on here, "Only love can kill a demon" and I think that's true. If something is "evil" send love to it, if something is "good" send love to it.

That way you know you aren't going to harm something that may be innocent, and if it isn't innocent then perhaps it will realise the truth by the love you send to it :)

How can any of us really know about them? Even ones who have had negative experiences with reptilians first hand, that doesn't mean all reptilians are that way. I've heard that they are repelled by Love, and I see nothing wrong/harmful with Love.and negative experiences could easily be misunderstood.an animal being saved by a vet would probably find the experience upsetting,stressful,terrifying even painful.not knowing it was simply to help them and maybe even save them from a worse experience,or like some species to actually be saved from extinction!

[adramelech]

all and i mean all,cultures that have recorded contact with reptilians(Dogons for example) have described a BENIGN race.

You're welcome to your own personal concepts as discussed in this thread, but this piece of information is absolutely, factually incorrect.

"According to the ancient Babylonian tradition, as reported by Berossus, the Babylonian priest writing in Athens in The Third Century BC, Man's ancestry and origin can be traced to one Oannes, an amphibious creature that came out of the Persian Gulf to teach the arts of civilization to Man.

Berossus called them "annedoti" which translates as "the repulsive ones" in Greek. He also refers to them as "musarus" meaning "an abomination." In this way, Babylonian tradition credits the founding of civilization to a creature which they considered to be a repulsive abomination.

If the tradition had been invented, a more normal attitude would have been to glorify these creatures as splendid gods or heroes. Yet the fact that they chose to describe their ancestors this way argues for the authenticity of the account."


"In the great epic Mahabharata, the depiction of Nagas tends toward the negative, and they are portrayed as the deserving victims of the snake sacrifice and of predation by the rapacious bird-man Garuda. The epic calls them "persecutors of all creatures", and tells us "the snakes were of virulent poison, great prowess and excess of strength, and ever bent on biting other creatures" (Book I: Adi Parva, Section 20)."


“In the form of man moved they amongst us, but only to sight, were they as are men. Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted, but appearing to man as men among men. Crept they into the councils, taking form that were like unto men. Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms, taking their form and ruling o’er man. Only by magic could they be discovered, only by sound could their faces be seen. Sought they from the kingdom of shadows, to destroy man and rule in his place. (The Key of Mystery, Tablet 8)"


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Not friendly. :D

There are certainly quite a few examples of benevolent or friendly reptilian beings, but these actions are almost always limited to individuals working against the general agenda of their own species and being ostracized for it (such as Enki/Satan). Also keep in mind that the "gods" ruled by fear - not only were most ancient civilizations forbidden from depicting them as they truly appeared, but you can certainly bet that stories of their benevolence and mercy were fabricated far and wide.

[paganus]

You're welcome to your own personal concepts as discussed in this thread, but this piece of information is absolutely, factually incorrect.

"According to the ancient Babylonian tradition, as reported by Berossus, the Babylonian priest writing in Athens in The Third Century BC, Man's ancestry and origin can be traced to one Oannes, an amphibious creature that came out of the Persian Gulf to teach the arts of civilization to Man.

Berossus called them "annedoti" which translates as "the repulsive ones" in Greek. He also refers to them as "musarus" meaning "an abomination." In this way, Babylonian tradition credits the founding of civilization to a creature which they considered to be a repulsive abomination.

If the tradition had been invented, a more normal attitude would have been to glorify these creatures as splendid gods or heroes. Yet the fact that they chose to describe their ancestors this way argues for the authenticity of the account."


"In the great epic Mahabharata, the depiction of Nagas tends toward the negative, and they are portrayed as the deserving victims of the snake sacrifice and of predation by the rapacious bird-man Garuda. The epic calls them "persecutors of all creatures", and tells us "the snakes were of virulent poison, great prowess and excess of strength, and ever bent on biting other creatures" (Book I: Adi Parva, Section 20)."


“In the form of man moved they amongst us, but only to sight, were they as are men. Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted, but appearing to man as men among men. Crept they into the councils, taking form that were like unto men. Slaying by their arts the chiefs of the kingdoms, taking their form and ruling o’er man. Only by magic could they be discovered, only by sound could their faces be seen. Sought they from the kingdom of shadows, to destroy man and rule in his place. (The Key of Mystery, Tablet 8)"


http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1282/aztecs41zp7.gif

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/583/redhanded1ye9.jpg

Not friendly. :D

There are certainly quite a few examples of benevolent or friendly reptilian beings, but these actions are almost always limited to individuals working against the general agenda of their own species and being ostracized for it (such as Enki/Satan). Also keep in mind that the "gods" ruled by fear - not only were most ancient civilizations forbidden from depicting them as they truly appeared, but you can certainly bet that stories of their benevolence and mercy were fabricated far and wide.good post! ive been meaning to study Babylonian myths more fully.guess nows the time to start! :D

[drael]

I dont personally beleive the annunuki are benevolent, at least in any conventional sense. However, from my readings, this is still an interesting issue. The annunuki are not demons, in the biblical sense. If one reads the emerald tablets, the law of one, barbara hand clow etc, the picture is not of some ultimate evil, but rather a nessasary, or unavoidable negative force - whos purpose is in part the guidance of humanity (via their negative path). Although the black cabal here on earth, and the annunuki have made a complete mess of their jobs mainly because of arrogance.

UFOlogy and the new age has dealt with these beings, and brought them into the public light (seems some of the older stuff was better in some ways) - but not nessasarily in the fashion that is now popular - with a hightlight of fear. The truth has grown from its inception to a mythology. The reptiles have become movie like monsters. Rather than be armed with protections, and a loving light focused attitude, as the emerald tablets suggest, we are simply given the notion that they are to be feared. No doubt this is to numerous peoples advantage. The less we understand these beings and their motivations, the worse off we are. The less we know of the history of the light/dark war, magick and the dimensional metaphysics involved, the better for THEM.

Only by magic could they be discovered, only by sound could their faces be seen.

This is another great fear of the modern world - the occult and magick. The only means via which we have a way of fighting back against the black cabal, and the only way to reveal the machinations of the dark, annunuki included. If there is fear, there is a secret. No doubt many many people have been persuaded away from useful information regarding these entities, and our current situation.

An exploration of the reptiles true nature is needed. Most reports of them these days at best resemble some form of shock tabloid journalism, reactionary, emotional and lacking in _insight_. (what are you actually learning here? fear or knowledge?)

[paganus]

good post! ive been meaning to study Babylonian myths more fully.guess nows the time to start! :Dbeen having a look.it seems they serve the same mythological function as the greek titans,indeed most pantheons have a class of original,'evil' Gods.if the myth goes long enough,sometimes they make up with the younger Gods (usually their children,eg Cronos/Zeus).the accepted mythological function of this is invasion by a foreign power whos first job is to depose/assimilate pantheon of the conquered.'the enemys Gods are my devils' syndrome.another way it happens is like in Hinduism where the old Gods are 'married off' to the new invaders Gods and are given less importance.i think this is a human device and NOTHING to do with the actual entities themselves.remember also that mythology is HIGHLY symbolic! history is written by the victors.'the repulsive ones' could refer to the former civilization that has become 'demonized' the Romans did this with the Picts,root of the word 'pixie' and attributed occult powers to them.remember,they wouldnt want their people fraternizing with the enemy as it were!it happens in most wars,the enemy is portrayed as sub-human/monstorous.

[cloudgazer]

I dont personally beleive the annunuki are benevolent, at least in any conventional sense. However, from my readings, this is still an interesting issue. The annunuki are not demons, in the biblical sense. If one reads the emerald tablets, the law of one, barbara hand clow etc, the picture is not of some ultimate evil, but rather a nessasary, or unavoidable negative force - whos purpose is in part the guidance of humanity (via their negative path). Although the black cabal here on earth, and the annunuki have made a complete mess of their jobs mainly because of arrogance.

UFOlogy and the new age has dealt with these beings, and brought them into the public light (seems some of the older stuff was better in some ways) - but not nessasarily in the fashion that is now popular - with a hightlight of fear. The truth has grown from its inception to a mythology. The reptiles have become movie like monsters. Rather than be armed with protections, and a loving light focused attitude, as the emerald tablets suggest, we are simply given the notion that they are to be feared. No doubt this is to numerous peoples advantage. The less we understand these beings and their motivations, the worse off we are. The less we know of the history of the light/dark war, magick and the dimensional metaphysics involved, the better for THEM.



This is another great fear of the modern world - the occult and magick. The only means via which we have a way of fighting back against the black cabal, and the only way to reveal the machinations of the dark, annunuki included. If there is fear, there is a secret. No doubt many many people have been persuaded away from useful information regarding these entities, and our current situation.

An exploration of the reptiles true nature is needed. Most reports of them these days at best resemble some form of shock tabloid journalism, reactionary, emotional and lacking in _insight_. (what are you actually learning here? fear or knowledge?)

I agree that we should learn more about them. Just knowing they exist isn't enough, and fearing them certainly doesn't seem like a solution either.

[paganus]

just been reading 'Babylonian myths and legends' it says they 'demonised' several Sumerian Deitys.who happened to be reptilian.(dragon and a snake to be precise) the book is online at- http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm

[adramelech]

just been reading 'Babylonian myths and legends' it says they 'demonised' several Sumerian Deitys.who happened to be reptilian.(dragon and a snake to be precise) the book is online at- http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm

This is kind of a tricky thing to explain. What happened with the Babylonian priesthood was that they were loyal to a particular sect, that of Enlil and his descendents. Enlil was "Yahweh" or the "God" of the modern Bible. Enki opposed him, and thus was labelled a "satan", meaning "adversary". This is the source of virtually all good/evil dynamics found in modern Biblical religions. The only problem is that it's completely reversed! Enlil and the others gods wanted to keep mankind enslaved while Enki or "Satan" wanted to enlighten and free them. This is how many Sumerian "gods" have been demonized through the years, including Adramelech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

It's important that you not confuse serpent symbolism as always being a reference to reptilian nature. The snake was traditionally a symbol of health, healing and medicine/genetics. The Caduceus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was Enki's symbol. Others were associated with many earthly creatures. This is purely metaphorical and symbolic, it has nothing to do with the literal physical appearance of these beings, which was reptilian.

"The reptiles verily descend. The earth is resplendent as a well-watered garden. At that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared. Daylight did not shine, moonlight had not emerged."

"She looked at the tree. And she saw that it was beautiful and magnificent, and she desired it. She took some of its fruit and ate, and she gave to her husband also, and he ate, too. Then their minds opened. For when they ate, the light of knowledge shone upon them. when they put on shame, they knew that they were naked with regard to knowledge. When they sobered up, they saw that they were naked; and they became enamored of one another. When they saw their makers, they loathed them since they were beastly forms. They understood very much."

Also keep in mind that "mythology" as you have referred to it in your previous post didn't exist until some considerable time even after the Babylonian empire. Much of what we refer to today as "mythology" is historical record or simple glorifications and poems based on historical events and people/beings. The Sumerians didn't even refer to the reptilians as "gods" - they had no concept of such a thing. They were called "lofty ones" or "heavenly" because, to the Sumerian mind, they "inhabitated the sky". The entire modern mythological concept of gods is almost purely an academic invention used to ignore ancient texts which don't fit the mold.

[phreedom]

I think I spoke about this in another thread...

But if you want to talk about this as if it were factual, you would have to put your eggs in the basket that says there's some sort of treaty amongst the "races" of the other world.

Someone got here while humanity was in its infancy. Enslaved humans by exploiting their own free will. Humans chose slavery long ago, and the ones in power who can kill, are also human. But in secret are the creatures pulling the strings. They aren't actually "doing" anything except communicating.

It's like money laundering. They put the violence on human hands so they are not implicated.

As long as humans are fighting humans, the otherworldly races cannot interfere. Whomever throws the first punch, though, would be in the wrong and that would rain certain death upon the aggressor.

So, if humans are under control, we've chosen it without any other race holding a gun to our heads except ourselves. This is all the result of the original lie that put the knowledgeable in power and the masses behind bars.

Who's going to come to Earth to help us if the only thing holding us back is our own ignorance and stubborness...

[wolfchild]

There plan is CONTROL and to ENSLAVE us!
SORRY' But i have a problem with that!

<see matthew delooze's post on davids latest HEADLINES>

[paganus]

There plan is CONTROL and to ENSLAVE us!
SORRY' But i have a problem with that!

<see matthew delooze's post on davids latest HEADLINES>but maybe in the way we look after dogs and cats? just a thought...

[wolfchild]

agree! But we are not all like that! And like david says in his books' NOT all reptilians are evil!
But From What It Looks Like the EVIL ONES seem to be in control at present and have been for a very long time.
So Where are the good REPTILIANS then?

[paganus]

agree! But we are not all like that! And like david says in his books' NOT all reptilians are evil!
But From What It Looks Like the EVIL ONES seem to be in control at present and have been for a very long time.
So Where are the good REPTILIANS then?protecting DI???

[wolfchild]

Is That Your Theory!

[paganus]

Is That Your Theory!ive got my own theorys on the Reptilians...;)