Hello, free thinkers!

[denworth]

I read David's book "The Biggest Secret" years ago. What most disturbed me was all the information about satanic ritual abuse in government.

I am very interested in the works of Nikola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich.

I believe the most heinous crime being perpetrated on an unsuspecting public is chemtrails.

I took this picture.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z138/zippetydoodah/DSC00128.jpg

Looking forward to meaningful discussion with all. :)

[adimon]

Water vapour

[denworth]

Water vapourWater vapor contrails form only in a high, dry and cold altitude. They dissipate and vanish in a few seconds.

Chemtrails appear at lower altitudes, in relatively humid air. They appear in conditions that do not normally produce contrails. Chemtrails spread out and turn the sky hazy. Contrails don't do that.

[kweli]

Water vapour

How meaningful.

Anyway... welcome denworth. Good first post and thanks for sharing your chemtrail photo. You'll find stacks of information on here relating to the things you mention. Looking forward to discussing some of them with you.:)

[adimon]

How meaningful.

Precisely.

[denworth]

How meaningful.

Anyway... welcome denworth. Good first post and thanks for sharing your chemtrail photo. You'll find stacks of information on here relating to the things you mention. Looking forward to discussing some of them with you.:)Thanks, kweli!

[adimon]

Water vapor contrails form only in a high, dry and cold altitude. They dissipate and vanish in a few seconds.

Chemtrails appear at lower altitudes, in relatively humid air. They appear in conditions that do not normally produce contrails. Chemtrails spread out and turn the sky hazy. Contrails don't do that.

Clouds are made of water vapour.

[kweli]

Clouds are made of water vapour.

Who's discussing clouds? Are you saying chemtrails are the same as clouds? :confused:

[denworth]

Clouds are made of water vapour.Exactly. They form in conditions opposite those in which contrails form. Clouds form when there is enough condensation in the air.

Chemtrails have been tested and found to be composed of heavy metals and chemicals; barium, aluminum dioxide, polymers, dessicated blood cells, etc.

See "Aerosol Crimes" by Clifford Carnicom.

aerosol crimes - Google Search

[ravenswing]

Welcome mate :)

Hopefully you stand a good chance of finding some free thinkers here :rolleyes:

Look forward to some good convo, have fun anyway :D

[adimon]

Are you seriously saying that contrails only last a few seconds?

[kweli]

Are you seriously saying that contrails only last a few seconds?

Yes, some (contrails) disappear almost immediately. I have plenty of footage to prove this.

[denworth]

Cheers, ravenswing! :D

[adimon]

Yes, some (contrails) disappear almost immediately. I have plenty of footage to prove this.

Some.

There you go.

Airplanes leave contrails which last a bit longer than a few seconds, don't they?

I'll come clean: I'm not saying chemtrails are not a real phenomenon, but the evidence that gets shown never corresponds to a logical format. e.g. The photograph on it's own shows nothing. You mention chemical tests, and witnessing the contrails vanishing rapidly. If you had all three in one video, then fair enough I'd start to believe.

Questions:-

1. Who took the photograph and where?
2. Where were the tests you mentioned performed? Any documentation and/or preferably footage?
3. Can you show me a video of an airplane contrail vanishing in seconds?

[orsen]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4097/dsc07293kt3.th.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07293kt3.jpg)

They dont give a toss, who's looking at them.
How can we prove this mass poisoning is happening?

[adimon]

SHIT! What's that huge fireball next to the contrail?! :eek:

[gordonfreeman]

Welcome Denworth. David Icke is a great man and I hope you enjoy your stay here. I will try posting up my chemtrail pictures too.

They still want to poison us.....

[kweli]

Some.

There you go.

Airplanes leave contrails which last a bit longer than a few seconds, don't they?

I'll come clean: I'm not saying chemtrails are not a real phenomenon, but the evidence that gets shown never corresponds to a logical format. e.g. The photograph on it's own shows nothing. You mention chemical tests, and witnessing the contrails vanishing rapidly. If you had all three in one video, then fair enough I'd start to believe.

Questions:-

1. Who took the photograph and where?
2. Where were the tests you mentioned performed? Any documentation and/or preferably footage?
3. Can you show me a video of an airplane contrail vanishing in seconds?

Ok, Inspector Gadget, are you directing these questions at me? If so I'm confused. I've never mentioned performing any tests. I said I have footage of contrails disappearing almost immediately. And, if you're so interested, well then you're a big boy, go and do your own research. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Just one question though, if chemtrails are harmless, why the MSM blackout?

[orsen]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4097/dsc07293kt3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4898/dsc07288vk3.th.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07288vk3.jpg)

[orsen]

SHIT! What's that huge fireball next to the contrail?! :eek:

sorry mate, its just the sun

[adimon]

sorry mate, its just the sun

Really?

[kweli]

sorry mate, its just the sun

Ignore him, he's just trying to take the piss. He's just simply hilarious isn't he?

[adimon]

I'm being light-hearted, since neither of you have responded to my serious questions on this interesting subject. No malice here. :)

[shodan]

Hi Denworth, enjoy the forum :)

Here's a superb site about chemtrails, putting forward both sides of the argument

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2007/03/10/chemtrails_what_they_are_and.htm

and here's some of the recent user quotes from this year so far:

2008-01-15 11:46:05 Ken D. Webber


I am a retired Marine. The secret to the chemtrails is that they are releasing certain chemicals into the air to create a "Lens" that allows them to monitor the launch of nuclear weapons OVER the horizon as an early warning system. Without it we are sitting ducks for the Russian Topol-M. The problem is that the chemicals released are toxic and cancerous and it is illegal to release them. It's bad EITHER WAY. Those in power would rather risk cancer over nuclear annihilation. The better solution of course is to STOP BEING A WARMONGERING ASSHOLE NATION to other countries and learn the difference between brotherly love and spreading FEAR among the other nations.


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2008-01-10 20:13:29 Pat Hynes


I spent two days this week, Jan. 7th and 8th, 2008...taking pictures of these chemtrails. With all the jets and military that go over here...I have never seen this before. A blue sky turned stormy looking when jet after jet kept coming from all directions and leaving these long chemtrails. They would get larger and wispy, or feathery, and have a leading edge like a wave on the beach. Some left grid formations and X formations. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. After taking about 70 photos..and sending some to family and friends...I got no response. Even my husband told me that was normal. I am not a stupid person, and I think it is clearly evident something is being tested in the skies. And what awes me most is the no care attitude that people are having. I'm feeling very frustrated. I can email photos to anyone who wants to see them.


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2008-01-10 01:00:59 Marsha


I'm very alarmed at the increasing number of chemtrails in the NYC area. What's really strange is that they hang up there as obvious as a floating pink elephant, but nobody seems to see them. When I point them out to people, their eyes just glaze over, and they go back to doing what they're doing. I have to tell you, I'm VERY frightened. On a recent plane trip, I saw the chemtrails from above them. They formed lines with bumpy tops that went on for miles and miles. The scariest thing was when I saw a plane below ours going in the opposite direction spewing the white stuff. It too, went on for miles and then feathered out. Yet there was another plane in the same airspace, and nothing came out of it. So much for the ice crystal theory. I am terrified as to what is going on up there.


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2008-01-06 21:43:17 Jeanne-1/6/08


I live in Fort Worth, Tx. Today was a fairly warm sunny day, we were celebrating my grandson's birthday. We were outside watching as Chemtrails were criss-crossing the sky for about an hour and a half. There were also commercials planes flying over but none of them left the trails. We counted at least 16 to 18 in that hour and a half that we were watching, then the sky got dark & cloudy.Everytime I have seen these, seems alot of people get sick within a couple of days.


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2007-12-18 08:07:16 gavin


how do they hide the chemical tanks on the aircraft and on the ground, it seems it would take a lot of chemical to produce such large trails I work on airport storage tanks and have never seen unusual tanks or pipwork. in australia we dont see many military jets, so all the trails we observe are from domestic flights ??? it is possible however that these trails are having an effect on global warming by storing heat that would normally rise and leave the atmosphere, more research necessary, yes, alien mind experiments, I dont believe.

[kweli]

I'm being light-hearted, since neither of you have responded to my serious questions on this interesting subject. No malice here. :)

I did respond. But if you want me to make myself clearer, here goes... If you're REALLY that interested, get off ya lazy bum and do your own research! Do you expect us to run off and gather evidence at your command?

[adimon]

Cheers for the link and excerpts shodan. My main problem with the idea that planes are spewing out poison is the sheer number of pilots that would have to be involved, though.

[shodan]

Cheers for the link and excerpts shodan. My main problem with the idea that planes are spewing out poison is the sheer number of pilots that would have to be involved, though.

Yep its a good point, I have thought that too. Around here they spray the entire sky for miles and miles on a rotation - a few planes go up then return and do it again, thats how it looks, I photographed the process last year. Everyday perfect sunny and cloudless skies were transformed into grey/purple haze that had an almost electrical resonance to it, very early in the morning before most people get up for work.

The pilots might be unaware they are doing it, sworn to secrecy, convinced they are doing good, or it could be military.

The MOD have admitted to doing it in the past, and a lot of people in Nottingham protested recently at cancer rates that they believe are still attributed to experimental spraying.

Here's one delightful episode from our caring government in the past:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials
Antony Barnett, public affairs editor
Observer
Sunday April 21, 2002
The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

And Alton Towers the leisure park are openly talking about cloud seeding to boost tourism, it was in the local papers down there. There are more examples of media coverage and governments/MOD admitting it goes on.

I don't really doubt its happening any more, I can see it happening, I try to encourage people to look at the sky like they used when they were kids and take note


Hi shodan,

I found the following article in my local newspaper just the other day! :O



"Alton Towers ambitions to provide the ultimate day out are reaching for the sky. The UK's top theme park is exploring the potential of using weather altering 'cloud seeding' techniques to ensure its visitors enjoy dry weather - even on days of predicted rain.

But the plans have raised concerns among farmers in the area that the technique could mean more rain falling on some fields and less on others.

Alton Towers spokesperson Rachael Lockit said the park would be looking at how the weather altering method works during a trial at next year's Olympic Games in the Chinese capital Beijing, before deciding whether the park would use the technique.

She said "At this stage we are purely interested in the concept of cloud seeding and will be keeping a close eye on what happens at the Olympics before progressing this activity. There are many unanswered questions at present with regards to costs and how to control where the water falls, but we are confident that ongoing investigations will provide answers to these questions.

We hope to take elements of the technique, perhaps less extreme than those used in Beijing, and then use them to help relieve particularly poor weather weeks."

Cloud seeding involves planes, rockets, cannons or ground generators firing silver iodide particles into clouds to encourage water vapour to gather round them and fall as rain before they float over the controlled area. The technique has been used in Russia for years to ensure public holidays stay dry. The method sparked controversy when it was used in a drought-stricken area of China, when Zhoukou city officials blamed neighbouring cities of seeding too much and taking rain water from them..."

[adimon]

Yep its a good point, I have thought that too. Around here they spray the entire sky for miles and miles on a rotation - a few planes go up then return and do it again, thats how it looks, I photographed the process last year. Everyday perfect sunny and cloudless skies were transformed into grey/purple haze that had an almost electrical resonance to it, very early in the morning before most people get up for work.

I'd like to see such things for myself, genuinely. Not much spare time to proactively go looking for myself right now. Do you have any .avi's or .mps

The pilots might be unaware they are doing it

Even if a pilot didn't notice his own contrail/chemtrail, they would see the others in the sky for sure.

sworn to secrecy

Maybe. Are you aware of any 'whistleblowers' at all?

convinced they are doing good

Any idea of what they might have been told?

or it could be military

This is the most plausible, although it would still be a high number of officers, and remember officers have on average much shorter careers than enlisted and often leave dissatisfied or disillusioned. Some of them even end up cheating on gameshows! :D

The MOD have admitted to doing it in the past,

Admitted to doing what exactly?

a lot of people in Nottingham protested recently at cancer rates that they believe are still attributed to experimental spraying.

Here's one delightful episode from our caring government in the past:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html


And Alton Towers the leisure park are openly talking about cloud seeding to boost tourism, it was in the local papers down there. There are more examples of media coverage and governments/MOD admitting it goes on.

I don't really doubt its happening any more, I can see it happening, I try to encourage people to look at the sky like they used when they were kids and take note

Thanks for this info. I will look at it. Do you know which areas of the UK are supposably being targeted, or do you think it is blanket?

[shodan]

I'd like to see such things for myself, genuinely. Not much spare time to proactively go looking for myself right now. Do you have any .avi's or .mps

Just photos of the process from normal sky to spraying to haze

Even if a pilot didn't notice his own contrail/chemtrail, they would see the others in the sky for sure.

True, and then go public.

Maybe. Are you aware of any 'whistleblowers' at all?

No, this is a major point too, I've seen websites appealing to pilots to come forward, but I havn't come across any but I havn't looked hard. I bank on the info turning up on here eventually if one comes forward.

Any idea of what they might have been told?

'Heres half a million and a couple of groovy chicks now keep you gob shut' possibly. or 'your saving mankind from global warning, but there's no way you can tell the public we are crop dusting them'.

This is the most plausible, although it would still be a high number of officers, and remember officers have on average much shorter careers than enlisted and often leave dissatisfied or disillusioned. Some of them even end up cheating on gameshows! :D

:D

Admitted to doing what exactly?

From the link in the previous post

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour

Thanks for this info. I will look at it. Do you know which areas of the UK are supposably being targeted, or do you think it is blanket?

I've seen them here in the North East, and Manchester personally. Judging by the other posters in the Chemtrail threads on here its everywhere, at least everywhere populated. Its also worth noteing heavy spraying is normally noticed and photographed before adverse weather and the major floods we get, like last year.

[orsen]

Ive heard somewhere that they spray over the lay lines (energy grids)
Two or three days later someone in my house gets a nasty cold or cough.
After the chemi's a beautiful sunny day turns into a overcast day and spoils our good mood. I have seen lots of them criss crossing in south london, so obviously so that you cant help but look up and wonder.

[denworth]

Thank you very much shodan for your kind welcome and copious data. I am among friends who know my own experience. :)

[shodan]

Thank you very much shodan for your kind welcome and copious data. I am among friends who know my own experience. :)

Your welcome, the data was mainly for adimon :)

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