Positive Dictatorship

[floyd]

Howdy

I wonder if there some economists/bankers/political experts that can point out the errors of the following idea:
Throughout history, dictatorships have always been negative, but there is no reason why they couldnt be positive is there? Maybe it would be better described as a democratic dictatorship then for the sticklers!!
Anyway, lets say you create this dictatorship, abolish interest, kick the multi-national banking groups out of the country and do what the yanks did and create your own money how you see fit, but without being tied to the global system. You quickly annul all laws as you saw fit, but with the full participation/consultation of the people, never doing anything without them knowing about it - after all this is a POSITIVE dictatorship remember!! You could divide your country into local governments, which had their own mints, with all the same currency though, and therefore still create competition within the nation.
You would have to severe ties with the global system in all ways - would this actually be technically possible? I know that if you were to try this, then they would devalue your currency etc, so that no matter how much cash you created it would be worth next to nothing. They would also create trade embargo's and hammer you with some sort of financially crippling penalties I imagine, but if you could quickly print trillions of dollars before they knew what you were up to, and paid the national debt, this could be possible? This could also be allleviated by a couple of options. The first would be to become totally independent as a nation - we could do this where I live. It would only be a matter of severing those ties with the rest of the system, which I know would be a huge obstacle to begin with. You could create manufacturing jobs by the conversion of un-needed farm land to fibres for clothing etc. starting obviously with mass hemp production, and also to plants that can be converted to bio-fuel, as you would no longer have access to the world oil supply!! This would also help those farmers, who would otherwise suffer from the lack of exporting you would do!!
Secdond option would be to create a new union of similarly minded nations to trade with ( I know - imagine trying to set this up without the elite getting wind of it!!!).
If it were indeed possible to pull off the greatest coup in history against the elite network, then you could become totally self-sustainable, and independent of their rigid systems. This could then open the floodgates for other nations to follow suit and therefore create new alliances to challenge the status quo.
OK - I know this is pipeline stuff, and I am more than willing to have the errors of my naive ways pointed out to me, but surely this MIGHT be possible as a way of creating a better future for my children?
Or maybe they would just nuke us?

Your thoughts?

[whitenight639]

sounds like a great idea, only problem bieng is people dont like dictatorships even positive ones, hell thats what we got not in the UK cos although the house of commons has Ministers of parliment you have a second chamber all policys go through called the house of lords (some of witch are appointed by the queen i think) also, all nations have to have 10% (i think) or there funds in gold, hence the federal reserve and the 'I promise to pay the bearer' on all money. but your idea is still good and quite possible but i think it would only be implementable with a communist style democracy, where EVERYONE votes. and we would have to take over the banks and re-distrobute weath evenly as atm there is a very small amount of the population with a vast majority of the wealth. However starting our own intermittent currency is probly the best option availible we just need more like minded people to subscribe, I have a dream in that i want to live self sustainably, i need my own plot of land where i can build my own house, i could do this in a couple of years, a lot easier than a 25yr morgage. and a water well would need to bored, would be free from chlorine/ flourine!! and you can buy generators for about £3k that would power your house of biodiesel or hydrogen. anyway thats my thoughts..

[floyd]

Indeed, but i note that the stumbling blocks you refer to deal with todays accepted terms of existence. I imagine the only way to achieve these aims (which would enable you to freely become self-sustainable in my nation :)) would mean the disowning (at least in the short term) of the global village, and all interaction/trade and otherwise with other nations - after all, this would most probably be imposed on you anyway!! The nation would need to understand and accept that there would be a short term pain, to enable us to reset our infrastructure and then reap the long term benefits, and be able to pass these on to the next generations. I know in my heart, that you could never make all this happen, as the ignorance is very thick amongst the people. I believe this is a very possible scenario, but with so much short term pain to be unattractive to the masses. It would also be very hard on export commodoties/business/employment, but as said previous, I think these problems would become manageable after setting up new infrastructure, involving obviously the manufacturing of all material needs, thus negating the need for importing the cheap child labour products from outside. We would basically swap exporting/importing for self-sustainability. This would only be achievable in such nations like my own (NZ) that are wealthy in natural resource.

[whitenight639]

I agree, all products that can be made in our homeland should be made in our homeland, but if all international sales of raw materials were to stop some countrys would be very worse off, and the poorer 3rd world countrys would suffer. I dont quite know what you mean by global village. everyone that has a reasonable garden should be self suficient, this obviously isnt possible in inner cities. this new ecconomy ie making most products on homeland (like electronic equipment which is essential to maintaing lives to some degree of comfort) is easily implamentable with our taxes, in the UK your average income tax is 25% + 17.5% VAT (value added tax lmao) on bigger purchases and then theres tax on fuel and also road tax, councill tax about £100 a month depending on house size, there capital gains tax (if a relative dies and leaves you money the government steal there share) all of this revenu and they waist it on overseas developments, for example the UKs inland revenue offices have all been sold to a company which is owned by a weathy american (we lease these building now). other total wastes of tax payers money include, expensive artworks for NHS hospitals that cost millions collectivly, council tax has funded various statues and monuments around the UK some on road roundabouts, these are not to commemorate anyone famouse there all modern art expensive looking things! Theres loads more examples of wasted money (Trident nuclear program is all american based companys were even going to lease the nuckes of them!). Anyway if we were to use these taxes to fund our own manufacturing and sustainable housing, and funding into research for alternative fuels like hydrogen, bio-diesel, ethanol, zero point energy ect we would all be better off and there would be plenty of money to run the other essential services which we all desperatly need to be in good order.

[floyd]

hear hear!! this would be the purpose and aim indeed!! as for the suffering in the 3rd world, as u say, I would have to disagree, as the nations that over-produce simply give to those in need - this would be the other reason why, at the end of the day, we would get nuked for trying such wonderful things!!

[tru3]

Frodo: If you ask it of me, I will give you the One Ring.
Galadriel: You offer it to me freely? I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this. In place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen. Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morning. Treacherous as the Sea. Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair.
[she stops]
Galadriel: I pass the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.

-"fellowship of the ring", by j.r.r. tolkein

says it all for me. :)

[whitenight639]

hear hear!! this would be the purpose and aim indeed!! as for the suffering in the 3rd world, as u say, I would have to disagree, as the nations that over-produce simply give to those in need - this would be the other reason why, at the end of the day, we would get nuked for trying such wonderful things!!
yes definatly we would sort them out when we have sufficient resources, but even at day one we can pay them fair prices for there goods and labour, it would only cost us a few quid extra a year, none at all if we took away the big corperations massive profits (im thinking about coffe and such when i described this). Also a REAL democracy would have everyone vote, you think this is hard to implement? no- we already vote on garbage like big brother, we could have devina present the options and we'd all txt in and vote, the policys would be brought about by anyone making one much like a pertition and the most popular ones would get voted on every week. obviously most of us are givern this view that 90% of the population are all councill house chavs or kiddy fidler, and so you ask if we all vote then there would be stupid laws brought in like no speed limits, no taxes ect, well i say let them live with there mistakes and after a few years of going wild people will know what laws they really need and dont! welcome to my world people.

[floyd]

Frodo: If you ask it of me, I will give you the One Ring.
Galadriel: You offer it to me freely? I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired this. In place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen. Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morning. Treacherous as the Sea. Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair.
[she stops]
Galadriel: I pass the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.

-"fellowship of the ring", by j.r.r. tolkein

says it all for me. :)

mmm, not sure where this fits in tru - moving on.............!!!

[floyd]

yes definatly we would sort them out when we have sufficient resources, but even at day one we can pay them fair prices for there goods and labour, it would only cost us a few quid extra a year, none at all if we took away the big corperations massive profits (im thinking about coffe and such when i described this). Also a REAL democracy would have everyone vote, you think this is hard to implement? no- we already vote on garbage like big brother, we could have devina present the options and we'd all txt in and vote, the policys would be brought about by anyone making one much like a pertition and the most popular ones would get voted on every week. obviously most of us are givern this view that 90% of the population are all councill house chavs or kiddy fidler, and so you ask if we all vote then there would be stupid laws brought in like no speed limits, no taxes ect, well i say let them live with there mistakes and after a few years of going wild people will know what laws they really need and dont! welcome to my world people.

yes i believe there would be a way to do this, and agree with your petition/vote idea, as that is how i saw it as being fairest!!
only thing about trading though, is that the powers that are would of course make your currency utterly worthless remember!! This is why I mentioned the isolation from the "global village" ie the rest of the world, as you would have nothing to pay with due to the lack of recognition of your currency!! which is why you would have to be a model for others to join - I can just see the unification now - NATIONS FOR LOVE AND PEACE!!! Sounds better than their made up ones eh!!!

[tru3]

mmm, not sure where this fits in tru - moving on.............!!!

forgive me for being obscure; i'm a former lit major.

what i meant to suggest was that, imo, absolute power corrupts absolutely. i don't think i'd vote for a dictator for life.

[whitenight639]

yes i believe there would be a way to do this, and agree with your petition/vote idea, as that is how i saw it as being fairest!!
only thing about trading though, is that the powers that are would of course make your currency utterly worthless remember!! This is why I mentioned the isolation from the "global village" ie the rest of the world, as you would have nothing to pay with due to the lack of recognition of your currency!! which is why you would have to be a model for others to join - I can just see the unification now - NATIONS FOR LOVE AND PEACE!!! Sounds better than their made up ones eh!!!

I see what you mean now about the currency bieng worth nothing to most MEDCs, unless we had somthing they needed, with the country bieng a level playing field for technology industry ie no suppression of free energy devices- the rest of the countries would want to buy our products/ currency, or (i dnt know about the stock mrket) barter our produce. theres a part of sweden thats a real democracy, if we were to do it nationallyie take over parliment the UN would probably send troops or a nuke it needs either A- be started in a less ulluminati controlled country or B- an LEDC. hmm yer Nations for love and piece, equality for all. a cool new national anthem too.

[whitenight639]

forgive me for being obscure; i'm a former lit major.

what i meant to suggest was that, imo, absolute power corrupts absolutely. i don't think i'd vote for a dictator for life.

yes a dictatorship will corrupt, but i cnt understand peoples greed, if i was a dictator incharge of a country and i lived in a palace id still do all the things iv mentioned b4 (except the voting on leadership) id make everyones lives the best i could. i cnt understand people who want to rule the world or even be famous, id much rather live in a nice sized sustainable house with my family in a very happy active sociable village/town- and not having to work a 9-5, be able to see my kids for mre than half hr infront of the tv!!!