The Things Wrong With The Buddha

[shenoma]

I started this thread to point out everything wrong with the Buddha and Buddhism. I ain't no christian, but it seems to me that everyone here loves to pick apart and dump on poor Jesus just to fair and balance it's time to dump on the fat guy called Buddha.

[eternal_spirit]

LOL :D there are many Buddhas or aspects and personalitys of Buddha. The fat jolly one is the compassionate peacefull generous one maybe.

But we also have the war like destructive personalitys too another aspect of Buddha.

[Anders Lindman]

As David Icke said, reincarnation and things like that are still movements within the Matrix. That makes sense to me. Buddhism is not as advanced or complete as David Icke's descriptions.

[tru3]

I started this thread to point out everything wrong with the Buddha and Buddhism. I ain't no christian, but it seems to me that everyone here loves to pick apart and dump on poor Jesus just to fair and balance it's time to dump on the fat guy called Buddha.


i'll go one step farther: if you meet a buddha on the road, kill him.

[thirdwave]

I started this thread to point out everything wrong with the Buddha and Buddhism. I ain't no christian, but it seems to me that everyone here loves to pick apart and dump on poor Jesus just to fair and balance it's time to dump on the fat guy called Buddha.

IMO

I think all religion of today it false and misunderstood...

but of you trace back Christ,,,Krishna.... Buddha...Allah

they are all the same thing... just different words....

I do think that in the rightings of Buddha there is more of a scientific outlook which is why he interests me more than the others of the modern days...

its like one book spread out into lots... and then watered down with other stories... but there is a little bit of truth in all of them... just got to pick it out from the tripe.

[thirdwave]

About what?

[Anders Lindman]

I don't think anyone has all the answers. Not even David Icke or even the Pope. :D

[thirdwave]

I don't think anyone has all the answers. Not even David Icke or even the Pope. :D

true.... you can only understand as much of reality as you can and keep wanting to learn.... but most people don't want to learn which is very strange, they like ignorance and mock and ridicule people who try to evolve.... why?

this is where I feel David Icke gets into... why are so many asleep? why are people so brainwashed?

[Anders Lindman]

true.... you can only understand as much of reality as you can and keep wanting to learn.... but most people don't want to learn which is very strange, they like ignorance and mock and ridicule people who try to evolve.... why?

this is where I feel David Icke gets into... why are so many asleep? why are people so brainwashed?

The human mind seeks security, and as much as it is needed, it can often create a limited comfort zone that is difficult to step out of.

"I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition." -- From the movie V for Vendetta

[thirdwave]

The human mind seeks security, and as much as it is needed, it can often create a limited comfort zone that is difficult to step out of.

"I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition." -- From the movie V for Vendetta

thats it...

personally i find comfort in my mind being free.... i dont want to contain it... i want it to expand and move...

[Anders Lindman]

thats it...

personally i find comfort in my mind being free.... i dont want to contain it... i want it to expand and move...

Physical freedom is also important I think. Otherwise the freedom of the mind will only be mental ideas.

[neondestiny]

I wasn't going to jump into this thread, yet here I am lol.
The bible as we know it today, has been changed throughout history, by those in power (rulers at the time) eg Constantine, King James etc to include these rulers interpretations to suit themselves at the time.
Possibly this has also happened with many other writings of any ancient spiritual significance.
The bible we know today is mostly Bollocks, but having said that, there is still a lot of things in it and other ancient texts that are still helpful in us understanding an ancient world the hereafter and the way to live our lives in harmony.
Any writing unless you are the writer, is really your own interpretation of what is written.
I am not religious, but believe (some) of the commandments are good rules to live your life by, Do unto others, treat others how you would like to be treated. Don't rape pillage and plunder the earth and its people. Killing is wrong in regards to your own soul anyways. I hope you get what I mean.
Buddha, and many others originally before anyone else re-interpreted them and their beliefs, were really on to something in regards to spiritual truth. Like 3rd wave said though you really have to be able to sort the shit from the toilet paper to find the good stuff that may resonate with you.
Brightest of blessings
Neon xxx

[tru3]

IMO

I think all religion of today it false and misunderstood...

but of you trace back Christ,,,Krishna.... Buddha...Allah

they are all the same thing... just different words....

I do think that in the rightings of Buddha there is more of a scientific outlook which is why he interests me more than the others of the modern days...

its like one book spread out into lots... and then watered down with other stories... but there is a little bit of truth in all of them... just got to pick it out from the tripe.

i wouldn't call myself a buddhist, but it does resonate for me.

i went to see the dalai lama in bloomington, indiana in 2001. people were having a long life empowerment ceremony for him, because he had been receiving numerous death threats for several years.

i sat in this big tent with about 800 people. he walked out onto the dias, and sat on this bench. when i saw him, tears started coming to my eyes, and i couldn't have told you why at the time. later, i had this strong intuition i was supposed to be there to help with the ceremony. all i knew was i would have moved heaven and earth to be there at that time, at that place. maybe it was a karmic thing, who knows? :confused:

thirdwave, i agree with you. i've been studying buddhist philosophy off and on, and practicing meditation (of all types-- i am not proselytizing here! please, this is one man's opinion based on his investigations; fair enough?) :) ), for 15 years. it is an analytical science of the mind. scientists base theories on observation. buddhists observe the mind. buddhists don't worship a deity; it's not that they don't believe in a creator, it's just they don't waste time thinking about the unknowable.

to me, buddhism is about addressing suffering, and relieving suffering in this world, right here, right now. i don't see how anyone could possibly argue with that definition. when i meditate, i relieve my own suffering, for which the people around me are grateful: if i suffer less, i tend to take things out on them less! :D

buddhists who believe that spinning prayer wheels will save them are no better than catholics who light a candle at the virgin's feet. it's spiritual materialism, imv. buddhist spiritual communities, from what i've read, are filled with the same kind of tensions as any other group of people in relationship with each other. i checked out shambahla community in my home town, and all i saw was another group of people jockeying for position in the group, with a couple of "alphas" running things and a couple of broken hearts who were constantly on the outside looking in, seeking approval and acceptance. remember, consider the source: that's what i saw, and i'm more than a bit of a lone wolf anyway, so i would tend to see that.

humans are humans, after all ;)

"kill the buddha" means destroy the illusion that anything outside oneself will save oneself.

Consider the following from H'uang Po, the founder of cha'an, the source of zen:

All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is neither long nor short, big nor small, for it transcends all limits, measure, names, traces and comparisons. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient things, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living beings. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifest in the Buddhas.

this is the Heart of the matter, for me. this is Who we are, right here, right now. all of us reading this together. cheers! :)

[i am all i am]

I wasn't going to jump into this thread, yet here I am lol.
The bible as we know it today, has been changed throughout history, by those in power (rulers at the time) eg Constantine, King James etc to include these rulers interpretations to suit themselves at the time.
Possibly this has also happened with many other writings of any ancient spiritual significance.
The bible we know today is mostly Bollocks, but having said that, there is still a lot of things in it and other ancient texts that are still helpful in us understanding an ancient world the hereafter and the way to live our lives in harmony.
Any writing unless you are the writer, is really your own interpretation of what is written.
I am not religious, but believe (some) of the commandments are good rules to live your life by, Do unto others, treat others how you would like to be treated. Don't rape pillage and plunder the earth and its people. Killing is wrong in regards to your own soul anyways. I hope you get what I mean.
Buddha, and many others originally before anyone else re-interpreted them and their beliefs, were really on to something in regards to spiritual truth. Like 3rd wave said though you really have to be able to sort the shit from the toilet paper to find the good stuff that may resonate with you.
Brightest of blessings
Neon xxx


G'day Neondestiny,

Trashing any of the religous texts is unnecessary when they can be shown to be fabrications.

I personally have not read one religous text where the individual idolised has ever said to start a religion around there teachings. If there is any such documentation, I would love to see it, but it still would not make me into a follower and idoliser.

All religion is used to control the people by a few.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[neondestiny]

G'day Neondestiny,

Trashing any of the religous texts is unnecessary when they can be shown to be fabrications.

I personally have not read one religous text where the individual idolised has ever said to start a religion around there teachings. If there is any such documentation, I would love to see it, but it still would not make me into a follower and idoliser.

All religion is used to control the people by a few.

Heya I am all I am xxx lovely to see you.

I agree with you that religion in itself is a tool of control, but my thoughts on religious texts are not really about religion itself that is something else entirely if you get what I mean and can seperate the two for me for a second.
I believe there to be a lot of "good stuff" in ancient teachings and writing (the bible, the tao, the buddha etc) but as 3rd wave said you have to be able to sort the shit from the good stuff.
I am positive the likes of Buddha, The Dalai Lama and Jesus never set out on there own path meaning for their truth to be used in a way to control the masses, other people did that for them to benefit themselves.
I would like anyone to be able to prove one way or another that god/allah/the source/Yahweh/The force whatever flavour you want to call it. Does or does not exist.

Brightest of blessings
Neonxx

[tru3]

G'day Neondestiny,

Trashing any of the religous texts is unnecessary when they can be shown to be fabrications.

I personally have not read one religous text where the individual idolised has ever said to start a religion around there teachings. If there is any such documentation, I would love to see it, but it still would not make me into a follower and idoliser.

All religion is used to control the people by a few.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

g'day, i am all i am, (how's my oz lingual skills coming, eh? :o )

i really don't know that much about islam, but i would agree with you in every other major case.

it's really simple to me: people have given away their own power for so long, they are attracted to real power like magnets. i mean, just go watch "forrest gump"; when he's just jogging across country, it's not long before he's being followed by a string of people, running, but not with the same purpose as forrest. it is not the running that will save them; it is their own purpose, whatever that is, lived from within. so, they began to attach to forrest, just as people have attached, like a parasite, almost, to Love since the dawn of civilization.

You are different from the really great man in only one thing: The great man knows when and in what he is a little man. The little man does not know that he is little, and he is afraid of knowing it.

For you are afraid of life, Little Man, deadly afraid. You will murder it in the belief of doing it for the sake of "socialism," or "the state," or "national honor," or "the glory of God."

I recognized the deadly fear of the living in you, a fear which always makes you set out correctly and end wrongly. You had the happiness of humanity in your hands, and you have gambled it away. You had the world in your hands, and at the end you dropped your atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Through the centuries, you will shed blood where life should be protected, and will believe that you achieve freedom with the help of the hangman; thus you will find yourself again and again in the same morass.

I found what makes you a slave: YOU ARE YOUR OWN SLAVE-DRIVER. I have ceased to be willing to die for your freedom to be anybody's slave. I tell you: Only you yourself can be your liberator!

You yourself create all your misery, hour after hour, day after day. You think the goal justifies the means. You are wrong: The goal is in the path on which you arrive at it. Every step of today is your life of tomorrow. You stand on your head and you believe yourself dancing into the realm of freedom.

You could have long since become the master of your existence, if only your thinking were in the direction of truth. You are cowardly in your thinking, Little Man, because real thinking is accompanied by bodily feelings, and you are afraid of your body. Many great men have told you: Go back to your origin - listen to your inner voice - follow your true feelings - cherish love.

-wilhelm reich, "listen, little man", written in the '40's.

i think i'm going to print this quote out as flyers and put them under the windshield wipers of the cars in the "assembly of god" parking lot.

hell, they do it to me at wal-mart! lol

[i am all i am]

G'day Neondestiny,

Trashing any of the religous texts is unnecessary when they can be shown to be fabrications.

I personally have not read one religous text where the individual idolised has ever said to start a religion around there teachings. If there is any such documentation, I would love to see it, but it still would not make me into a follower and idoliser.

All religion is used to control the people by a few.

Heya I am all I am xxx lovely to see you.

I agree with you that religion in itself is a tool of control, but my thoughts on religious texts are not really about religion itself that is something else entirely if you get what I mean and can seperate the two for me for a second.
I believe there to be a lot of "good stuff" in ancient teachings and writing (the bible, the tao, the buddha etc) but as 3rd wave said you have to be able to sort the shit from the good stuff.
I am positive the likes of Buddha, The Dalai Lama and Jesus never set out on there own path meaning for their truth to be used in a way to control the masses, other people did that for them to benefit themselves.
I would like anyone to be able to prove one way or another that god/allah/the source/Yahweh/The force whatever flavour you want to call it. Does or does not exist.

Brightest of blessings
Neonxx


That's an easy one sister.

The Source is the infinite and therefore ALL THAT IS. There is nothing else. As ALL THAT IS surrounds you, you can interact with this Source moment to moment. Think of something that you would like confirmation on. Once you have this firmly in your mind, ask Nature to confirm your question for you. You will recieve the response because Nature is a part of ALL THAT IS and the message of creation is within Nature, as it is within you, for all is the oneness of ALL THAT IS. So, you can apply it this wasy. The question, "Is there a Source of all creation ?". Speak it out loud and you will receive your answer. Remember that there are no coincidences. I suggest you do it somewhere quiet to start with, until you are able to do it by reading the vibrations within yourself. Every question has an answer and it merely a choice to express and be both. It is similar to dowsing, but with less chance that there will be any interference.

Through your body is another way. 10 digits on your hands.
01 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.
Add each number together and you get 55. 5+5=10 or one creator (1, the individual and zero or a circle is the creator).

The five platonic solids. Icosahedron, tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron.
They have sides of 20, 4, 6, 8, 12.
When added together you get a total of 50. Love is the creator (5=unconditional love).

So there you are. We have ALL THAT IS, the One Creator, Love the Creator.
There is a couple of different ways. It's up to you whether you believe any or all of them.
I leave the interpretation up to you (and the 'experiment' with Nature).



With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

g'day, i am all i am, (how's my oz lingual skills coming, eh? :o )

She's apples mate.

Bloody bonza.

Bewty Newc.



With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[sean~infinte]

Physical freedom is also important I think. Otherwise the freedom of the mind will only be mental ideas.


i agree but if u dont free the mind how can the phsyical be free since our minds control our body and some would say manifest the physical

the human mind or the ego needs secuirity as the mind is put in a place without secuirty and always an negative uncertainty thus fear of the unknown and thats why they produce fake insights to the unknown like religion or science but hold it back enough so its not certain while u have others fight for what is there idea of the unknown

[tru3]

Through your body is another way. 10 digits on your hands.
01 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10.
Add each number together and you get 55. 5+5=10 or one creator (1, the individual and zero or a circle is the creator).

The five platonic solids. Icosahedron, tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron.
They have sides of 20, 4, 6, 8, 12.
When added together you get a total of 50. Love is the creator (5=unconditional love).

there really is Unity in diversity. ;)

[seamus]

g'day, i am all i am, (how's my oz lingual skills coming, eh? :o )

[reich quote]
i think i'm going to print this quote out as flyers and put them under the windshield wipers of the cars in the "assembly of god" parking lot.

hell, they do it to me at wal-mart! lol

Hey bud! (how's my kentucky lingo?) ;)

That's a great quote.
Hey I know how to print, ya know. I also have this neat little booklet that explains your rights of free speech in the US. Unfortunately they don't extend into the parking lot. However, if you stood at the driveway exit of the place, on the sidewalk, you certainly could hand them out to people as they drove by.

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[Anders Lindman]

i agree but if u dont free the mind how can the phsyical be free since our minds control our body and some would say manifest the physical

the human mind or the ego needs secuirity as the mind is put in a place without secuirty and always an negative uncertainty thus fear of the unknown and thats why they produce fake insights to the unknown like religion or science but hold it back enough so its not certain while u have others fight for what is there idea of the unknown

To me it's clear that many people often fool themselves when trying to free their minds. Deep down on a subconscious level, there is still the long-held belief that the body is a repulsive, separate heap of flesh and bones. This separation between body and mind more often than not only gets WORSE in people who are trying to free their minds. No wonder why the body rebels and gets sick and FEELS like a repulsive heap of blood, flesh and bones.

The same on an emotional level. People can have all kinds of airy-fairy New Age thoughts, and have their consciousness expanded 1001 times, but they still feel like shit inside.

And physical freedom includes financial freedom, or else the freedom is only mental beliefs that are not grounded in reality.

[rossus]

if you believe that you are not free, you will try to think of ways how you can become free from the physical body... and live "forever".

you make it more difficult for yourself than necessary.
your body will die, that is a fact.
your mind will die, that is a fact.

the good news is, you are neither of both. so why worry about becoming free?
who (or what) is it that thinks that he is not free?

i think the whole "i'm-not-free-thing" is overexaggerated. a fantasy of the mind, gone too far... and for a lot of people this fantasy of becoming free has become another belief system. a belief that they are not free and must become free... and this belief makes them feel like they are not free.
the belief has manipulated their reality.



i think earth is (or was :p ) a beautiful planet, with beautiful colors... flowers... plants... animals.
too bad some parasites have gotten a bit too much power and ruined it for the rest of life on earth, but shit happens i guess.



the life in a physical form we experience on earth, is life that feeds on life.
something else must be killed and eaten, for the other to survive.

even the the sun will die one day, and the earth... and eventually the universe will once again collapse.

and to all forms of life, soon or later there will come an end to it.
this is the reality of the world we have been born into.

soon or later that which you think you are (body/mind) will die.
but that's not a problem, because the body/mind is unimportant anyway. the soul is important.

the soul of the body, the soul of the planet, the soul of the universe... is the same. and that soul will never die.
because it is not subject to life and death. life and death, is subject to the soul.

if the physical form dies, the soul lives on. the soul cannot die, because the soul is eternal-life itself.
that soul is god. that soul is love. that soul is freedom itself.

[Anders Lindman]

your body will die, that is a fact.


I'm not so sure. I have a growing suspicion that aging and death are caused by deep subconscious beliefs. And when those beliefs operate, the body WILL die. Michael Tsarion called it the "death wish" and it made poeple "dead" already before they reached the age of 30. The death process has then already started he said.

Look at it closely and you will find that the thinking mind wants permanency, and that creates a perpetual clash with the impermanent body, which manifests as a tremendous inner conflict making the body age and die. The thinking mind thinks of itself as not being an animal, but trapped in an animal body. That view, I suspect, can very well be a false view, but so ingrained in the human psyche that we rarely question it.

The future is NOT the same as the past.

[john white]

there really is Unity in diversity. ;)

Yep, thats exactly what freedom is

[thirdwave]

i wouldn't call myself a buddhist, but it does resonate for me.

i went to see the dalai lama in bloomington, indiana in 2001. people were having a long life empowerment ceremony for him, because he had been receiving numerous death threats for several years.

i sat in this big tent with about 800 people. he walked out onto the dias, and sat on this bench. when i saw him, tears started coming to my eyes, and i couldn't have told you why at the time. later, i had this strong intuition i was supposed to be there to help with the ceremony. all i knew was i would have moved heaven and earth to be there at that time, at that place. maybe it was a karmic thing, who knows? :confused:

thirdwave, i agree with you. i've been studying buddhist philosophy off and on, and practicing meditation (of all types-- i am not proselytizing here! please, this is one man's opinion based on his investigations; fair enough?) :) ), for 15 years. it is an analytical science of the mind. scientists base theories on observation. buddhists observe the mind. buddhists don't worship a deity; it's not that they don't believe in a creator, it's just they don't waste time thinking about the unknowable.

to me, buddhism is about addressing suffering, and relieving suffering in this world, right here, right now. i don't see how anyone could possibly argue with that definition. when i meditate, i relieve my own suffering, for which the people around me are grateful: if i suffer less, i tend to take things out on them less! :D

buddhists who believe that spinning prayer wheels will save them are no better than catholics who light a candle at the virgin's feet. it's spiritual materialism, imv. buddhist spiritual communities, from what i've read, are filled with the same kind of tensions as any other group of people in relationship with each other. i checked out shambahla community in my home town, and all i saw was another group of people jockeying for position in the group, with a couple of "alphas" running things and a couple of broken hearts who were constantly on the outside looking in, seeking approval and acceptance. remember, consider the source: that's what i saw, and i'm more than a bit of a lone wolf anyway, so i would tend to see that.

humans are humans, after all ;)

"kill the buddha" means destroy the illusion that anything outside oneself will save oneself.

Consider the following from H'uang Po, the founder of cha'an, the source of zen:

All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but the One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is neither long nor short, big nor small, for it transcends all limits, measure, names, traces and comparisons. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient things, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood. By their very seeking they lose it, for that is using the Buddha to seek for the Buddha and using mind to grasp Mind. Even though they do their utmost for a full aeon, they will not be able to attain it. They do not know that, if they put a stop to conceptual thought and forget their anxiety, the Buddha will appear before them, for this Mind is the Buddha and the Buddha is all living beings. It is not the less for being manifested in ordinary beings, nor is it greater for being manifest in the Buddhas.

this is the Heart of the matter, for me. this is Who we are, right here, right now. all of us reading this together. cheers! :)

Im with ya, I do think that its one of the few religions now that focus on the here and now and about our minds.... rather than historical things and unexplained things that just rely on faith...

if i suffer less, i tend to take things out on them less! :D
Yes very true, and this is when i get annoyed with others who wallow in ignorance... when they get screwed up and start doing everything they can to effect the world outside of them.... It get pisses me off as if they want to damage them selfs then its their choice when when there ignorance effects others around them, then they need to start pulling their own weight.

If Im in a bad mood or down i tend to withdraw my self and isolate my self from the outside, like to be alone.... this is why i lose patience when others go on missions to bring others to there level of ill feeling... as if they feel the need to promote the feeling.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I think the buddha needs to go on a diet, that's all I'm sayin'. :p

[i am all i am]

I'm not so sure. I have a growing suspicion that aging and death are caused by deep subconscious beliefs. And when those beliefs operate, the body WILL die. Michael Tsarion called it the "death wish" and it made poeple "dead" already before they reached the age of 30. The death process has then already started he said.

Look at it closely and you will find that the thinking mind wants permanency, and that creates a perpetual clash with the impermanent body, which manifests as a tremendous inner conflict making the body age and die. The thinking mind thinks of itself as not being an animal, but trapped in an animal body. That view, I suspect, can very well be a false view, but so ingrained in the human psyche that we rarely question it.

The future is NOT the same as the past.

G'day Anders.

This is something that I have thought a lot about and altered within my own belief. The body does not really die. The cells are replaced throughout the whole of the body every seven years. If we take the understanding that we create our own reality to its ultimate conclusion, then we create our physical death merely because we believe that is what will happen. As this is a common belief, then we commonly see this transpiring within society. Who is it that has told us that this is 'what is'. Life is infinite, and within an infinite existence, all things are possible. This means that to live within a healthy body infinitely is possible and also created by your belief that it is possible.

Personally, the only belief that I maintain, is that 'all is possible'. This allows me to alter my understanding as I gather knew knowledge and realise whether it is functional within my existence. The indoctrination of all of us that have gone through the education system, has created belief structures that do not serve our ability to sustain our individual functionality. This is because the 'system' is not there to maintain our freedom of choice, it is there to control our choices to maintain the 'system'.

By believing that we are free to choose our own understandings, we are free to enact those understandings, and through our experience, we can determine whether these understandings sustain our individual functionality. Freedom is merely choice, and if we do not believe that we have a choice, then we have enslaved that which was and is free, ourselves.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[thirdwave]

I think the buddha needs to go on a diet, that's all I'm sayin'. :p

to much sitting on his arse I think!! :)

[Anders Lindman]

the 'system' is not there to maintain our freedom of choice, it is there to control our choices to maintain the 'system'.


The entire System is like an eggshell. It's needed for people to mature/grow in, but we are probably not meant to stay inside the eggshell. The purpose of an eggshell is to be BROKEN once it no longer is needed.

So the purpose of the System is to put a kind of tremendous pressure on people. And from within each individual an even more powerful source must be awaken that will be able to break out of the eggshell. Maybe it two steps: first breaking out of the mind-prison (as illustrated in the first Matrix movie when Neo broke the eggshell of Agent Smith [representing the mind]), and then breaking out of the System itself (as illustrated in the third Matrix movie when Neo broke free in a blast of light).

[i am all i am]

The entire System is like an eggshell. It's needed for people to mature/grow in, but we are probably not meant to stay inside the eggshell. The purpose of an eggshell is to be BROKEN once it no longer is needed.

So the purpose of the System is to put a kind of tremendous pressure on people. And from within each individual an even more powerful source must be awaken that will be able to break out of the eggshell. Maybe it two steps: first breaking out of the mind-prison (as illustrated in the first Matrix movie when Neo broke the eggshell of Agent Smith [representing the mind]), and then breaking out of the System itself (as illustrated in the third Matrix movie when Neo broke free in a blast of light).

Would you consider this to be the awakening of both mind and body to express and experience themselves as a vehicle of soul, therefore being infinite in their ability to 'be' the soul re-presented within the physical realm ???


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[rossus]

The future is NOT the same as the past.
correct. :p

[Anders Lindman]

Would you consider this to be the awakening of both mind and body to express and experience themselves as a vehicle of soul, therefore being infinite in their ability to 'be' the soul re-presented within the physical realm ???


My guess is that awakening will mean that the struggle between the 'inner' world and the 'outer' world ceases. In practical experience this would mean a tremendous release of burden and conflict on the mental, emotional and physical levels. And "breaking" of some eggshell is perhaps not the best metaphor, since that indicates some kind of struggle or effort. The actual way to awakening more likely lies in the ability to relax and melt away trapped energy blocks within oneself.

[Anders Lindman]

correct. :p

SOME things in the past will be valid in the future, but not all. One idea from the past is that we are mammals and will die. The future may revise that idea.