Would like some advise

[mariag]

If possible. I tried to tell a close relative about NWO and Illuminati but all I got in response was that I was being ride and disrespectful about people .She thought that I despised humans ... This made me sad beacuse disrespectful and hateful is the last thing on earth that I am. So now to my question of advise. How do I tell about the NWO without getting this kind of response. And how can I open theire eyes?

[ripe4change]

Hello,
I don't think you can open their eyes. Be careful in what you say. The attack on you personally is demostrative of the cognitive dissonance your relative was experiencing. Remember, you do NOT have a personal responsibility to wake anyone up. Just enjoy life!

[deathcultreject]

If possible. I tried to tell a close relative about NWO and Illuminati but all I got in response was that I was being ride and disrespectful about people .She thought that I despised humans ... This made me sad beacuse disrespectful and hateful is the last thing on earth that I am. So now to my question of advise. How do I tell about the NWO without getting this kind of response. And how can I open theire eyes?

I've found that when an abuser has got to a group of people, they will "sanction" a person who does anything to reduce their right to abuse.

Telling you that you're being rude, or trying to make you feel that it's socialy inept and unnaceptable can be the first wave of it.

It goes through stages through increasing emotional abuse to attempts of murder.

The accusations of malice and mysanthropy give way to blind zombie like hatred against the awkward ones.

The early experiments to find out how to make a group "sanction" any devience were carried out on teenagers with the full cooperation of their schools.

It was subproject 102 of MKULTRA and it started in the US roughly 50 years ago.

[bicycle]

Show them this article, if this does'nt wake them up then they are lost souls:


PRIME Minister Gordon Brown has dismissed the latest London bomb scare as "feeble" and "unlikely to frighten the public".



Mr Brown is understood to be disappointed with MI5's effort, describing it as "half-arsed and transparent".

A source close to Brown said: "The PM wanted to start things off by scaring the absolute, holy shit out of people.

"A badly driven Merc with a couple of gas bottles in the back does not cut the mustard.

"We asked for Arabic literature on the passenger seat, a map of Whitehall with big red crosses on it and a huge controlled explosion on live television. Someone will be getting their backside felt for this."

The source added: "We're trying to introduce ID cards, imprisonment without trial and swingeing restrictions on freedom of speech.

"We wouldn't be able to force through new parking regulations on the back of this pile of arse."

Police say they are looking for "a man" in connection with the incident in London's Haymarket.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "Our investigations are currently centred on a man. If you see a man you should react with complete terror and run screaming into the nearest busy shop or pub."

[steevo]

The way I do it is, I dont USUALLY mention the NWO or Illuminati. I usually discuss war and why we are at war and how it is killing innocent kids and how we can never have inner peace until we understand who we are and what is causing us to see negatives as positives and thus never face up to the bad things that are going on. I talk about cause and effect. How do we end the war and why would we want to end it. I mention how our communities have broken down and I may slip in that this is purposely done to divide and rule. I talk about how TV brainwashes us into making descions with our brain instead of our soul, and that we should let our soul guide us because it is pure but we tend to let our brain overide the soul.

I tend to mention that if we had the information that is being hidden from us we would be able to fully understand who we are and reach a state of enlightenment. A state of enlightenment results in selflessness (the opposite to selfish). We would then share everything we had with everyone else for free and create a utopian society.

One good tip is for YOU to ask THEM questions as to why they think "this" is happening right now and why "that" is happening and get THEM to do some thinking. I ask them how much they love their fellow man, enough to make a stand against the killing of innocent kids ? I might ask them if they want kids in the future and are they aware that they are planning to do what they do in China where we are only allowed one child and what would happen if they became preganat with a second child and I would show them proof of the plans that tptb have for us regarding children by showing them video proof if they want to see it.

If after a while they want to know who and how certain people run the world then tell them some stuff but I would advise you to take it VERY slowly and not to mention the NWO or illuminati by name and dont make wild statements that 911 was an inside job, leave that for the leaflets and banners.

Sorry to ramble on but when I start explaining this to people I go on for hours, my other half has a spinny head by time I have finished lol :D

Good Luck! :)

[steevo]

I also mention the fear tactics which the media push out at us every day and why they do it. I tell them that we have the answer to EVERY question (that matters) inside of us but tptb know that we will look outside ourselves for the answers if we are in fear and that is where tptb get their "power" from, from us thinking we are incapable of looking after ourselves.

[mariag]

You all have good advise adn I am thankfull. dilemma here is that the relative is my mother , and she knows my interest adn concern for this matter. But she still thinks Im a nutter .. No matter what I say or try and show her , she is determend to ignore it.
:eek:

[limelady]

You all have good advise adn I am thankfull. dilemma here is that the relative is my mother , and she knows my interest adn concern for this matter. But she still thinks Im a nutter .. No matter what I say or try and show her , she is determend to ignore it.
:eek:

I have loved ones like this also. They know the truth as well as I do, but they wear blinkers because they choose to - to do otherwise is far too upsetting for them. They have no intention of changing their views (until they are ready to at least), so the best course of action is to walk-away from this subject when they are in your company, and instead focus on those who are interested in finding out more and looking into the things you speak of.

IMO, besides the waste of your time, there is no point in 'flogging a dead horse' and your part in all of this is to fully realise that YOU are not responsible for what others believe about you or the reality of the world we live in. It takes a bit of effort to get to a place where you really aren't affected by what others think about YOU, especially if its your mother, so my advice would be to just love her for the things you CAN both agree on. :)

[peachped]

"YOU are not responsible for what others believe about you or the reality of the world we live in."

Yes.

[chromeranger]

IMO, besides the waste of your time, there is no point in 'flogging a dead horse' and your part in all of this is to fully realise that YOU are not responsible for what others believe about you or the reality of the world we live in. It takes a bit of effort to get to a place where you really aren't affected by what others think about YOU, especially if its your mother, so my advice would be to just love her for the things you CAN both agree on. :)

Right on. Just like dining at a table with non vegetarians when you turn down the meat or fish, just don't make such a big deal of it.

[revelations]

I sent you a pm mariag, hope you find the answer to your question. :)

[kblood]

When trying to make believers out of others, then it is best to start of very light as Steevo suggested. If a person feel there are mostly good reasons for the war in Iraq, think Iran a threat to world peace due to the news these days and generally eats up it all. First off the seed of distrust in the government and the system has to be there, or otherwise the person is likely to just ignore it all the way.

I actually do not find it important to wake up all sheeple... for some it might make life worse to not be sheeple, and for most it might not really have any real impact on that persons life anyway. But one person with total belief in governments still might believe in mental powers though, healing or such stuff. They might still believe in a global awakening.

[crazed]

If possible. I tried to tell a close relative about NWO and Illuminati but all I got in response was that I was being ride and disrespectful about people .She thought that I despised humans ... This made me sad beacuse disrespectful and hateful is the last thing on earth that I am. So now to my question of advise. How do I tell about the NWO without getting this kind of response. And how can I open theire eyes?

That's a good question. You have 2 choices really:

1) tell it as it is
2) sugarcoat the truth, in other words, be "politically correct"

In my opinion, the best way is to tell it as it is.

[mariag]

Right on. Just like dining at a table with non vegetarians when you turn down the meat or fish, just don't make such a big deal of it.
Yes that makes sence.. My relatives are not that keen on me being a vegetarian as well , but one thing positive is that my oldest daughter and my youngest has choosen to walk down that path with me , when it comes to food anyway.. :p
Theire own choice of course..

[mariag]

I have loved ones like this also. They know the truth as well as I do, but they wear blinkers because they choose to - to do otherwise is far too upsetting for them. They have no intention of changing their views (until they are ready to at least), so the best course of action is to walk-away from this subject when they are in your company, and instead focus on those who are interested in finding out more and looking into the things you speak of.

IMO, besides the waste of your time, there is no point in 'flogging a dead horse' and your part in all of this is to fully realise that YOU are not responsible for what others believe about you or the reality of the world we live in. It takes a bit of effort to get to a place where you really aren't affected by what others think about YOU, especially if its your mother, so my advice would be to just love her for the things you CAN both agree on. :)

Thank you limelady. You are right and yes i love my mother with all my heart so yes You are right I simply have to hold my horses when it comes to this...
love and peace

[thorleyart]

you've got to realise your mother is ignoring it because it means she would have to accept that everything she has ever been taught from the day she was born has been utter lies.... now that is quite a paradigm shift, literally the complete and total dismantling of her current worldview, now that for some people is just far too scary a thing to contemplate so she's in denial mode. She's just not ready for this information, she might never be, or she might start to come round in time.

You have two choices, stop talking about it altogether with her, or just keep chipping away SLOWLY... planting seeds, eventually she may show interest and ask you questions, do it subtly though... not David Icke style - the Queen is a lizard and George Bush is a paedophile!

[mariag]

you've got to realise your mother is ignoring it because it means she would have to accept that everything she has ever been taught from the day she was born has been utter lies.... now that is quite a paradigm shift, literally the complete and total dismantling of her current worldview, now that for some people is just far too scary a thing to contemplate so she's in denial mode. She's just not ready for this information, she might never be, or she might start to come round in time.

You have two choices, stop talking about it altogether with her, or just keep chipping away SLOWLY... planting seeds, eventually she may show interest and ask you questions, do it subtly though... not David Icke style - the Queen is a lizard and George Bush is a paedophile!

True. She is not ready, well she is old and tought never to question things and matters so I guess that this scares her

[nickatnoon61]

you've got to realise your mother is ignoring it because it means she would have to accept that everything she has ever been taught from the day she was born has been utter lies.... now that is quite a paradigm shift, literally the complete and total dismantling of her current worldview, now that for some people is just far too scary a thing to contemplate so she's in denial mode. She's just not ready for this information, she might never be, or she might start to come round in time.

You have two choices, stop talking about it altogether with her, or just keep chipping away SLOWLY... planting seeds, eventually she may show interest and ask you questions, do it subtly though... not David Icke style - the Queen is a lizard and George Bush is a paedophile! Hey Fonz, you R right on brother! I couldn't have said it better myself! I think we all have gone through the 3 stages of truth, at one time or another....
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

[malvern]

first i get them talking about failing systems, that dear to thier hearts.... then i expand to bigger systems failers and keep them involved by asking them why this is ,,, then get them on money and world banking ......
but everyone has a different view, so adjust your story so that it brings them in and allows them to feel they have found the answer for themselfs. then help them on thier next stage of truth seeking .... remember that not everyone knows the whole story for it is forever being told and you are the story teller... good luck and do not stop telling your story..

freedom is the story

[strider]

You'll be amazed what you can slip in with a little humour ;)

[tron]

You'll be amazed what you can slip in with a little humour ;)

Agreed, get them into a bit of the old Bill Kicks or something. the problem is this, if someone has their head in the sand, no amount of talking on your part will change their perspective, if anything they will become angered by what they believe to be you forcing you beliefs down their throats, although I know you are not.

If someone doesn't wanna listen, they ain't going to, end of. All you can do is be patient and wait for when they are ready to listen, because they will trust me! :) I spoke to my dad about this alot, he is an intelligent guy, didn't always see eye-to-eye on everything I've said but now he is starting to listen and I send him article everyday and he's opened up a bit, but you just have to be patient and have faith in life and the path it takes you on.

Peace,

Ciaran
xx

[cruise4]

Lot of good advice. I use http://www.patriotsquestion911.com to show not everyone is a nutter, and it works if someone does look. I've had many confirmations of this....

Headlining the site is:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/2689/wesleyclark220jpg80xz5.jpg

General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Additionally, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 - 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam and numerous subsequent medals and citations. Graduated valedictorian of his class at West Point.

Video interview ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos 3/5/06: "I think when you look at this country, right now, we need a 2-party system that works. We need Congress to do its job. We need real investigation of some of the abuses of authority that are apparently going on at the Executive branch. ... We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time." http://securingamerica.com/node/692

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[steevo]

first i get them talking about failing systems, that dear to thier hearts.... then i expand to bigger systems failers and keep them involved by asking them why this is ,,, then get them on money and world banking ......but everyone has a different view, so adjust your story so that it brings them in and allows them to feel they have found the answer for themselfs. then help them on thier next stage of truth seeking .... remember that not everyone knows the whole story for it is forever being told and you are the story teller... good luck and do not stop telling your story..

freedom is the story

I use similar tactics to you Malvern :)

You'll be amazed what you can slip in with a little humour ;)

Yep humour is very necessary. We dont wanna frighten the sheeple too much (we will leave that to the fear mongers). I tend to try to uplift people too in a David Icke sort of way.

Agreed, get them into a bit of the old Bill Kicks or something. the problem is this, if someone has their head in the sand, no amount of talking on your part will change their perspective, if anything they will become angered by what they believe to be you forcing you beliefs down their throats, although I know you are not.

If someone doesn't wanna listen, they ain't going to, end of. All you can do is be patient and wait for when they are ready to listen, because they will trust me! :) I spoke to my dad about this alot, he is an intelligent guy, didn't always see eye-to-eye on everything I've said but now he is starting to listen and I send him article everyday and he's opened up a bit, but you just have to be patient and have faith in life and the path it takes you on.

Peace,

Ciaran
xx

Even if they are not ready to listen, just give them very small "sound bites" because they too are the seeds that will eventually take root and grow :)