Judeo declares war on Germany?

[popeye11]

Don't ask me. A big controvercial look at the holocaust.

Free video, just scroll down.



http://www.honestmediatoday.com/jdw.htm

[umbrex]

Don't ask me. A big controvercial look at the holocaust.

Free video, just scroll down.



http://www.honestmediatoday.com/jdw.htm

not even mentioning the 6 million jews postulated to have died in WW1.. oh wait, that was an obvious lie ...

[popeye11]

It is all getting so confusing, ( by purpose maybe) that it's hard to tell what went on if anything.:confused:
Something must have gone on or is it all a hologram made to look old? Who can say for sure?

[nickatnoon61]

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_25703.shtml

For decades Israel has violated well established
precepts of international law and defied numerous
United Nations resolutions in its occupation of
conquered lands, in extra-judicial killings, and in
its repeated acts of military aggression.

Most of the world regards Israel's policies, and
especially its oppression of Palestinians, as illegal
and outrageous. This international consensus is
reflected, for example, in numerous UN resolutions
condemning Israel, which have been approved with
overwhelming majorities.

"The whole world," said United Nations Secretary
General Kofi Annan, "is demanding that Israel withdraw
[from occupied Palestinian territories]. I don't think
the whole world... can be wrong." [1]

Only in the United States do politicians and the media
still fervently support Israel and defend its
policies. For decades the US has provided Israel with
crucial military, diplomatic and financial backing,
including more than $3 billion each year in aid.

Why is the US such a staunch bastion of support for
Israel?

Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa, who was awarded
the 1984 Nobel Peace Prize, has candidly identified
the reason. Speaking to an audience in Boston, he
said:

"But you know as well as I do that, somehow, the
Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the
US], and to criticize it is to be immediately dubbed
anti-Semitic … People are scared in this country, to
say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is
powerful – very powerful." [2]

Bishop Tutu spoke the truth. Although Jews make up
only two or three percent of the US population, they
wield immense power and influence – much more than any
other ethnic or religious group.

As Jewish author and political science professor
Benjamin Ginsberg has pointed out: [3]

"Since the 1960s, Jews have come to wield considerable
influence in American economic, cultural, intellectual
and political life. Jews played a central role in
American finance during the 1980s, and they were among
the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate
mergers and reorganizations. Today, though barely two
percent of the nation's population is Jewish, close to
half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive
officers of the three major television networks and
the four largest film studios are Jews, as are the
owners of the nation's largest newspaper chain and the
most influential single newspaper, the New York
Times... The role and influence of Jews in American
politics is equally marked...

"Jews are only three percent of the nation's
population and comprise eleven percent of what this
study defines as the nation's elite. However, Jews
constitute more than 25 percent of the elite
journalists and publishers, more than 17 percent of
the leaders of important voluntary and public interest
organizations, and more than 15 percent of the top
ranking civil servants."

Stephen Steinlight, former Director of National
Affairs of the American Jewish Committee, similarly
notes the "disproportionate political power" of Jews,
which is "pound for pound the greatest of any
ethnic/cultural group in America." He goes on to
explain that "Jewish economic influence and power are
disproportionately concentrated in Hollywood,
television, and in the news industry." [4]

Two well-known Jewish writers, Seymour Lipset and Earl
Raab, pointed out in their 1995 book, Jews and the New
American Scene: [5]

"During the last three decades Jews [in the United
States] have made up 50 percent of the top two hundred
intellectuals ... 20 percent of professors at the
leading universities ... 40 percent of partners in the
leading law firms in New York and Washington ... 59
percent of the directors, writers, and producers of
the 50 top-grossing motion pictures from 1965 to 1982,
and 58 percent of directors, writers, and producers in
two or more primetime television series."

Vanity Fair magazine in October 2007 published a list
of what it calls "the world's most powerful people" –
a lineup of the one hundred most influential media
bosses, bankers, publishers, image makers, and so
forth, who determine how we view ourselves and the
world, and who – directly and indirectly – shape our
lives and our futures. Jews made up more than half of
the powerful men and women on the Vanity Fair list,
reported a leading Israeli newspaper, The Jerusalem
Post. [6]

The influence of American Jewry in Washington, The
Jerusalem Post has also noted, is "far
disproportionate to the size of the community, Jewish
leaders and US official acknowledge. But so is the
amount of money they contribute to [election]
campaigns." One member of the influential Conference
of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations
"estimated Jews alone had contributed 50 percent of
the funds for [President Bill] Clinton's 1996
re-election campaign." [7]

A Grip on Hollywood

"It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality
of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture,"
acknowledges Michael Medved, a well-known Jewish
author and film critic. "Any list of the most
influential production executives at each of the major
movie studios will produce a heavy majority of
recognizably Jewish names." [8]

One person who has carefully studied this subject is
Jonathan J. Goldberg, editor of the influential Jewish
community weekly Forward. In his 1996 book, Jewish
Power, he wrote: [9]

"In a few key sectors of the media, notably among
Hollywood studio executives, Jews are so numerically
dominant that calling these businesses
Jewish-controlled is little more than a statistical
observation …

"Hollywood at the end of the twentieth century is
still an industry with a pronounced ethnic tinge.
Virtually all the senior executives at the major
studios are Jews. Writers, producers, and to a lesser
degree directors are disproportionately Jewish – one
recent study showed the figure as high as 59 per cent
among top-grossing films.

"The combined weight of so many Jews in one of
America's most lucrative and important industries
gives the Jews of Hollywood a great deal of political
power. They are a major source of money for Democratic
candidates."

Reflecting their role in the American media, Jews are
routinely portrayed as high-minded, altruistic,
trustworthy, compassionate, and deserving of sympathy
and support. While millions of Americans readily
accept such imagery, not everyone is impressed. "I am
very angry with some of the Jews," complained actor
Marlon Brando during a 1996 interview. "They know
perfectly well what their responsibilities are...
Hollywood is run by Jews. It's owned by Jews, and they
should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of
people who are suffering." [10]

A Well-Entrenched Factor

This intimidating power is not a new phenomenon, but
has long been an important factor in American life. In
1978, Jewish American scholar Alfred M. Lilienthal
wrote in his detailed study, The Zionist Connection:
[11]

"How has the Zionist will been imposed on the American
people?... It is the Jewish connection, the tribal
solidarity among themselves and the amazing pull on
non-Jews, that has molded this unprecedented power ...
The Jewish connection covers all areas and reaches
every level. Most Americans may not even sense this
gigantic effort, but there is scarcely a Jew who is
not touched by its tentacles…

"The extent and depth to which organized Jewry reached
– and reaches – in the U.S. is indeed awesome … The
most effective component of the Jewish connection is
probably that of media control … Jews, toughened by
centuries of persecution, have risen to places of
prime importance in the business and financial world …
Jewish wealth and acumen wields unprecedented power in
the area of finance and investment banking, playing an
important role in influencing U.S. policy toward the
Middle East … In the larger metropolitan areas, the
Jewish-Zionist connection thoroughly pervades affluent
financial, commercial, social, entertainment, and art
circles."

One-Sided `Holocaust' History

The Jewish hold on cultural and academic life has had
a profound impact on how Americans look at the past.
Nowhere is the well entrenched Judeocentric view of
history more obvious than in the "Holocaust" media
campaign, which focuses on the fate of Jews in Europe
during World War II.

Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer, a professor
at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has remarked: [12]

"Whether presented authentically or inauthentically,
in accordance with the historical facts or in
contradiction to them, with empathy and understanding
or as monumental kitsch, the Holocaust has become a
ruling symbol of our culture ... Hardly a month goes
by without a new TV production, a new film, a new
drama, new books, prose or poetry, dealing with the
subject, and the flood is increasing rather than
abating."

Non-Jewish suffering simply does not merit comparable
attention. Overshadowed in the focus on Jewish
victimization are, for example, the tens of millions
of victims of America's World War II ally, Stalinist
Russia, along with the tens of millions of victims of
China's Maoist regime, as well as the 12 to 14 million
Germans, victims of the flight and expulsion of
1944-1949, of whom some two million lost their lives.

The well-financed Holocaust media and "educational"
campaign is crucially important to the interests of
Israel. Paula Hyman, a professor of modern Jewish
history at Yale University, has observed: "With regard
to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall
political criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces
the sense of Jews as an eternally beleaguered people
who can rely for their defense only upon themselves.
The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews
under the Nazis often takes the place of rational
argument, and is expected to convince doubters of the
legitimacy of current Israeli government policy." [13]

Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar who has taught
political science at City University of New York
(Hunter College) and DePaul University in Chicago,
says in his book, The Holocaust Industry, that
"invoking The Holocaust" is "a ploy to delegitimize
all criticism of Jews." [14] "By conferring total
blamelessness on Jews, the Holocaust dogma immunizes
Israel and American Jewry from legitimate censure ...
Organized Jewry has exploited the Nazi holocaust to
deflect criticism of Israel's and its own morally
indefensible policies." He writes of the brazen
"shakedown" of Germany, Switzerland and other
countries by Israel and organized Jewry "to extort
billions of dollars." "The Holocaust," Finkelstein
predicts, "may yet turn out to be the `greatest
robbery in the history of mankind'."

Jews in Israel feel free to act brutally against
Arabs, writes Israeli journalist Ari Shavit,
"believing with absolute certitude that now, with the
White House, the Senate and much of the American media
in our hands, the lives of others do not count as much
as our own." [15]

Foreign Policy Role

In Britain, a veteran member of the House of Commons
candidly declared in May 2003 that pro-Israel Jews had
taken control of America's foreign policy, and had
succeeded in pushing the US and Britain into war in
Iraq. Tam Dalyell, a Labour party deputy known as
"Father of the House" because he is the
longest-serving Member of Parliament, said: "A Jewish
cabal have taken over the government in the United
States and formed an unholy alliance with
fundamentalist Christians … There is far too much
Jewish influence in the United States." [16]

Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the US Joint
Chiefs of Staff, has spoken with blunt exasperation
about the Jewish-Israeli hold on the United States:
[17]

"I've never seen a President – I don't care who he is
– stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the
mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis
know what is going on all the time. I got to the point
where I wasn't writing anything down. If the American
people understood what a grip those people have got on
our government, they would rise up in arms. Our
citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on."

Today the danger has never been greater. Israel and
Jewish organizations are prodding the United States
into new wars against Israel's enemies.(Sudan, Burma,
China, Musharafs Pakistan)

As the French ambassador in London has put it, Israel
– which he called "that shitty little country" – is a
threat to world peace. "Why should the world be in
danger of World War III because of those people?," he
said. [18]

To sum up: Jews wield immense power and influence in
the United States. The "Jewish lobby" is a decisive
factor in US support for Israel. Jewish-Zionist
interests are not identical to American interests. In
fact, they often conflict.

As long as the "very powerful" Jewish lobby remains
entrenched, there will be no end to the systematic
Jewish distortion of current affairs and history, the
Jewish-Zionist domination of the US political system,
Zionist oppression of Palestinians, the bloody
conflict between Jews and non-Jews in the Middle East,
and the Israeli threat to peace.

[john67]

not even mentioning the 6 million jews postulated to have died in WW1.. oh wait, that was an obvious lie ...

actually it does if you had bothered to watch it, it states that for some reason 6 million jews have been killed on 3 seperate occasions. strange that eh? what dis goebels say about repeating a lie often enough.....

[dogsmilk]

actually it does if you had bothered to watch it, it states that for some reason 6 million jews have been killed on 3 seperate occasions. strange that eh? what dis Goebbels say about repeating a lie often enough.....

Goebbels said:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

And he should know.

I can't help wondering if you've noticed the irony in your comment. Think about who Goebbels' primary scapegoat for his big lies were.

I think I missed your 3rd time btw – maybe it's later or I was busy typing. Is it even less convincing than the article?

Goebbels also said:

“Intellectual activity is a danger to the building of character”

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/joseph_goebbels/

I wouldn't be surprised if a certain Mr Toben agrees...

I just (for a laugh) thought I'd continue with a part two of critiquing the Toben video. It's worth it just to see the spinning film and cheesy music at the start. Not to mention “International Revisionist Videos”. LOL. However, much as I prefer my comedy without canned laughter, I do in this instance think the addition of a laugh track would enhance the experience.

My comments on the first bit are here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16357&page=8

The best part is, I watched quite a bit and discovered...it is the telephone directory one! LOL. I'd only seen cut-up youtube segments before and didn't realise it's the same film! That amazing piece of 'scientific research' is – because you just know some people think it's convincing stuff - extremely funny.

Anyway, let's crack on with...

The Ker-ray-zee comedy stylings of mad doctor Freddie Toben! (part2)
(cue Benny Hill music)

And – hooray!– we're straight back in with...The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion!'. I turned it off previously just before a truly classic gag! Showing his best acting skills, Toben keeps deadpan as he introduces this notorious fraud without cracking up. This takes some doing, as even David Cole didn't fall for this one:

Mark Weber’s greatest flaw is that he seems to
concern himself more with the “movement” than with the integrity of his
own work. He might have had a real shot at legitimacy as a historian, but
he’s blown it by sacrificing his integrity for “movement” concerns. For
example, IHR sells the “Protocols of Zion.” Weber freely acknowledges
(privately) that this book is a ridiculous fraud. But he also admits that
it’s one of the consistently best selling books they have. Weber would
like to drop it, but he’s afraid of losing support.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/cole.david/ftp.py?people/c/cole.david//interview.0695

That's right, kids! One of your fave Holocaust Deniers is lying here! Me, I'm with Cole on this one; he always was my favourite denier. I'm digressing, but I can't use this quote without including this other great quote from the same interview:

Have I encountered anti-Semitism from revisionists? That’s a
tricky one, because most of them are always on their best behavior when
I’m around. The ones, and there are many, who believe in wacky Jewish
conspiracy theories or the supremacy of the “white race” rarely let me in
on the joke because they know that I won’t share those views. I always
volunteer my views on such subjects as religion, race-mixing, conspiracy
theories, etc., just so there should be no confusion about where I stand
on those things. Plus my best friend, who is black, is REALLY imposing -
this is a BIG guy who, by his sheer size, doesn’t exactly encourage candor
>from white supremacists who might be in the same room. Anytime he’s
around, my revisionist pals are either silent or trying to say something
complimentary about black people (like “I really love that Marcus Garvey”
or “you people are such great Christians”). One time I was having dinner
with Mark Weber and his girlfriend. As we were coming out of the
restaurant, a trendy, expensive West L.A. eatery, Weber was talking
animatedly about some very “conservative” subjects. And who should come
walking up behind us, listening in, but the rapper Ice T, who, as many of
you would know, is as far left as Mark is far right. I managed to change
the subject before the situation could become dangerous. Still and all,
nowadays I wonder if I did the right thing. It’s not that I wish Mark any
harm, it’s just that, well, the image of a revisionist historian getting
clobbered by a famous rapper...well, as Beavis and/or Butt-head might say,
“that would be cool.”

It would indeed have been cool.

Anyway,

To maintain suspension of disbelief, Toben of course doesn't mention the earlier fictional satire the Protocols so blatantly cribbed from.

http://www.geocities.com/net3431/Dialogues_In_Hell.html

For example – spot the difference!


12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for the



t is in the newspaper categories which follow that will be found the most powerful supporters of my power. Here, the official or officious tone is completely dropped, in appearance, that is, for the newspapers of which I am going to speak will all be attached by the same chain to my government, a chain visible for some, invisible for others. I shall not attempt to tell you how many of them there will be, for I shall count on a devoted organ in each opinion, in each party; I shall have an aristocratic organ in the aristocratic party, a republican organ in the republican party, a revolutionary organ in the revolutionary party, an anarchist organ, if necessary, in the anarchist party. Like the god Vishnu my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will stretch out their hands to all the possible shades of opinion over the whole surface of the country. Everyone will be of my party whether he knows it or not. Those who think they are speaking their own language will be speaking mine, those who think they are agitating their own party will be agitating mine, those who think they are marching under their own flag will be marching under mine.

(I don't need to link to the Protocols themselves as I am sure many Joooo obsessed patrons know them by heart and brandish them frantically at anyone patient enough to humour them. The Protocols are basically the watchtower of Jooo fantasists).

You'd think these 'Zionists' could have found a more Jewish reference than Vishnu to stick in their version, but there you go.

Toben must at least be aware that the Protocols are almost universally regarded as fakes, yet obviously doesn't try to present a rational argument to justify their authenticity. He doesn't even describe their alleged history. It's simply here ya go – just believe it ya mugs!.

He now invokes the sinister notion 'the Zionists' will try to stop you watching this video!!!!!!. Obviously Holocaust deniers have suffered for their art statement, but the irony that we're watching this for free on google video in the comfort of our own homes saves the gag.

This is followed up by a fantastic one-liner about “how we deal in historical facts” - with more superbly sober delivery. Considering the zany fractured take on reality that precedes it, this is classic comic timing. Though I'd have added a spinning bow tie Toben activates at this point just to cap it off.

Still, after this it gets dull for a bit, going off an totally irrelevant tangent. What relevance is it who else had camps and who invented them? I know little about e.g. The internment camps for the Japanese. Yet even if they turned out to be horrible, I don't see what that has to do with Nazis camps. Of course, here they're trying to imply the Nazis just had camps they put people in, but you'd have to be pretty gullible not to see past this. But what again is ignored is the gradual stripping of Jews of all citizenship over a period of years prior to them being rounded up. They don't even mention kristallnacht – down the memory hole it goes. It's this bonkers argument about the Jews being some 'enemy within' because 'world Jewry” was 'at war' with them– yet German Jews mostly viewed themselves as German first and foremost and the evidence 'the Jews' did anything but not 'buy German' is, of course, not forthcoming. I have to say though, it is a very creative argument. Basically, it's like saying apartheid South Africa should have rounded up any people of British blood on the basis their goods were being boycotted by many British people. Why Jews shouldn't have been rounding up Germans as they boycotted them remains to be explained. Indeed, it's amazing the video appears to contain no mention of Nazis boycotting the Jews whatsoever. Let alone burning their synagogues in 1938.


But anyway, I have no knowledge whatsoever of alleged Polish concentration camps and frankly I can't be arsed to start researching it now – especially considering the 'facts' presented so far.
But, I'm curious as to why the entire conflict between Germany and Poland over the Danzig corridor is deleted in favour of the trigger point apparently being Polish atrocities (the Polish did persecute ethnic Germans to some extent, though this was hyped extensively by German propaganda). What's truly remarkable, though, is that Hitler apparently was spurred on to action by an atrocity that happened after the war had started!

Quite full-on article that's clearly not pulling punches as to Polish responsibility -

ATROCITIES IN POLAND (Polish Revenge)
Unable to stem the onrush of German forces during the invasion of their country, Polish soldiers and civilians started fleeing eastwards. It was during this flight to the east that the ethnic German civilians, resident in Poland for many years, received the full impact of the spite and hate stored up in the hearts of the fleeing Polish soldiers and their civilian followers. Between September 4 and September 8, 1939, in the communities of Eichdorf, Hopfengarten and Narzheim near Bromberg, the polish soldiers began an orgy of murder and rape that is beyond belief. German houses were entered and the occupants arrested and then murdered. Not all were shot, many were brutally put to death by all sorts of tools and their bodies severely mutilated. As the soldiers left to search for more German houses, their civilian helpers were left behind to plunder and steal and in most cases, to set the house on fire. Many of the German women were raped before being shot. During this retreat from the west, the Polish soldiers, together with the civilian irregulars, were responsible for the deaths of many thousands of German residents. At a later investigation, the testimonies of 593 witnesses established the fact that at least 3,841 named ethnic Germans were murdered by the Poles prior to the full German occupation. In September, 1939 these Volksdeutsche formed themselves into Self-Protection units known as Selbschutz and came under the control of the SS and later under the Ordungspolizei (Order Police). The infamous reputation that it earned caused it to be disbanded on 30th of November, 1939.



http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres_east.html#Poland



Bloody Sunday (German: Bromberger Blutsonntag; Polish: Krwawa Niedziela) is the term used to describe an incident that took place at the beginning of World War II. On September 3, 1939, two days after the German invasion of Poland, a highly controversial massacre occurred in and around the town of Bydgoszcz (German: Bromberg) in the Polish Pomeranian Voivodeship. The number of casualties involved is disputed by historians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromberg_massacre

So Hitler stops an atrocity precipitated by invading Poland by...invading Poland!

Mind you, our beloved Fuhrer had already agreed to carve up Poland with the Soviet Union – he was just so good at seeing the future, wasn't he? He needn't even have dreamed up the Gleiwitz incident, where the Nazis staged an attack on a German radio station as a pretext. Even Alex Jones is fond of citing this when talking about false flags, so why Toben simply ignores it is beyond me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Of course, his 'humanitarian intervention' ended in the (what was intended to be permanent) absorption of his chunk of Poland into the Third Reich and the coordinated extermination of the Polish ruling class. Not to mention the displacement of millions of Poles from their homes. And this is before they got going with the Jews! If this is the way these chumps mangle history, I'd just love to see what they claim the invasion of Czechoslovakia was all about! I expect the nefarious Czechs did something really bad against fluffy bunny Hitler that he only begrudgingly responded to.

Hitler's noble response to his reluctant intervention:

Some sixty thousand Poles whose names had been collected over the prewar years were to be eliminated, the operation was partly camouflaged under directives for ensuring the security of the troops and, more generally, of the occupied territory...
...In July 1940 Reinhard Heydrich, since September 1939 chief of the SS main office for the security of the Reich (Reichssicherheitshauptamt or RSHA), wrote to his SS colleague Kurt Daluege, the chief of the Order Police (Ordnungspolizei or ORPO), that at the onset of the Polish campaign Hitler had given him an “extraordinarily radical...order for the liquidation of various circles of the Polish leadership, (killings) that ran into the thousands."

...Gen.Wilhelm Keitel to the head of military intelligence, Adm Wilhelm Canaris on September 12: "The matter (of the executions of the Polish elites) had already been decided by the Fuhrer; the commander of the army (meant as "ground force") had been informed that if the Wehrmacht refused to be involved, it had to accept the pressure of the SS and Gestapo. Therefore, in each military district, civilian commanders would be appointed who would carry the responsibility for ethnic extermination." (added in pencil: political cleansing)

the years of extermination by Saul Friedlander p.13

“The country had been sabotaged by Zionists in the first world War”....er...how come Hitler never mentioned this? Or anyone else at the time? They all blamed “The Jews”. The only possible evidence is the previous 'evidence' from Freedman (this video is strangely repetitive) which is as bollocks now as it was before. Otherwise, it's simply an unevidenced assertion.
But let's be clear here – this is a VERY CRUDE ATTEMPT to avoid sounding anti-semitic by saying “Zionists” not “Jews”. To reiterate – Every crackpot anti-semite of the day blamed the Jews for losing WW1, they did NOT blame the Zionists. Toben's drone (hereafter TD) is even in disagreement with his idols. You would have to be 100% ignorant of history or 100% gullible (and probably both) to fall for this one.

What was Hitler saying in the 1920s?

In order to carry on his existence as a parasite on other peoples, he is forced to deny his inner nature. The more intelligent the Jew is, the more he will succeed in this deception. Indeed, things can go so far that large parts of the host people will end up by seriously believing that the Jew is really a
Frenchman or an Englishman, a German or an Italian, though of a special religious faith

Mein Kamf p.277 – Notice strong similarity to 'parasite' comments of racist-at-large Eustace Mullins whose frothings seem popular at the moment.

For a while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb goyim. It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there: all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks

p.294

So here we clearly see Hitler framing Zionism as part of the broader plotting of 'world Jewry'.

With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardisation, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.


p.295

Apparently all you folk of mixed race are helping put the Jooos in charge!

Was there any form of filth or profligacy, particularly in cultural life, without at least one Jew involved in it?
If you cut even cautiously into such an abscess, you found, like a maggot in a rotting body, often dazzled by the sudden light – a kike!

p.53

Y'know , I just can't understand why Jews were upset at this guy gaining power....

If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain . On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future.

Mein Kamf p.620

Not to mention

Hitler's Speech to the Reichstag, 30 January, 1939:
"Europe cannot find peace until the Jewish question has been solved. …One thing I should like to say on this day [the sixth anniversary of his being appointed Chancellor of the Reich] which may be memorable for others as well as for us Germans. In the course of my life I have very often been a prophet and have usually been ridiculed for it. … Today I will once more be a prophet: if the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshivization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."


http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm

Though despite what it says on the website, many scholars actually believe there was no definite plan to exterminate Jews at this point, so don't get carried away leaping to conclusions like Toben would. Note, though, no distinction regarding Zionists.



To cap it all, there is the relatively obscure matter of the Havaara – the deal between the Zionists and the Nazis to allow Jews to emigrate to Palestine without having all their stuff stolen – which kinda undermines the whole thing too – the Zionists (not all Zionists – some didn't approve) were the only Jews to actually strike a bargain with Hitler.

All involved in the agreement benefited. The Nazis got rid of Jews, increased their exports, and broke the boycott against them that had been initiated by several, mostly American, Jewish organisations. The Zionist movement gained new settlers who, had they not been allowed to transfer their capital, might not have come to Palestine. And the emigrants escaped Germany with more of their property than they might otherwise have done; only slowly did it become clear that they owed their lives to the agreement, as well

the seventh million by Tom Segev p.22

Basically, the evidence base the Nazis were simply annoyed with naughty Zionists is non-existent. It's unbelievable they seriously try to suggest it. They even ignore the whole evil-Jews-are-running-the-Bolsheviks angle, though maybe it turns up later.

Hang on – we're back to Madagascar – yup, Since a never-even-attempted-to-be-implemented plan to dump Jews in Africa was drawn up in 1940, 'the Zionists' got in their TARDIS and had a boycott in 1933 to protest what was going to happen in 7 years time! The fiends! And again, this relatively obscure footnote to history mysteriously transmogrifies into something of extreme importance. And hooray! Finally it's the famous daily express headline! Deniers hate scholarship, but they love tabloid newspaper headlines.

Then “Hitler hit back by ordering Jews to identify themselves as enemies of the Reich by wearing the yellow star”. Though obviously confused by all his time traveling, he waited until 1941 to impose this on German Jews, simply progressively deleting their citizenship and employment opportunities in the meantime. The Jews (apparently an “enemy”) were then interned in camps. But again, there was a slight delay for German Jews. Jesus, it's like watching primer on acid.

I am sure this all makes perfect sense to Toben and TD. At least for ten minutes or so before the crack starts to wear off.

Ooh, then we're back to this article. Again, it makes no sense how this is relevant. Though after a bold lead-in of “how many times can 6 million”, they appear to have run out of examples and go off on one about the Talmud for no apparent reason. I suppose we're on a Vic Reeves style surrealist kick here.

The extent and exact content of Nazi plans (in a carefully planned, tightly orchestrated sense) to kill Jews and the exact significance of Wannsee is hotly debated among scholars. We'll probably never know for sure. Though if there was simply zero thinking of killing Jews, why was Hans Frank, in a VERY FAMOUS speech before Wannsee saying:

But what should be done with the Jews? Can you believe that they will be accommodated in settlements in the Ostland? In Berlin we were told: why are you making all this trouble? We don't want them either - not in Ostland or in the Reichskommisariat; liquidate them yourselves! Gentlemen, I must ask you to steel yourselves against all considerations of compassion. We must destroy the Jews wherever we find them and wherever it is at all possible, in order to maintain the whole structure of the Reich...the views that were acceptable up to now cannot be applied to such gigantic, unique events. In any case, we must find a way that will lead us to our goal and I have my own ideas on this.
The Jews are exceptionally harmful feeders for us. In the Government-General (Poland & surrounding occupied areas), we have approximately 2.5 million, and now perhaps 3.5 million together with persons who have Jewish kin and so on. We cannot shoot these 3.5 million Jews, we cannot poison them, but we will take measures that will somehow lead to successful destruction; and this in connection with large-scale procedures which are to be discussed in the Reich, the Government-General must become as free of Jews as the Reich. Where and how this is to be done is the affair of bodies which we will have to appoint and create, and on whose work I will report to you when the time comes.... .




http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/frank.html

or why did Goebbels write in his personal diary -


Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/goebbels-joseph/goebbels-1948-excerpts-02.html#1942-mar-27


But really all perfectly innocent I'm sure...

As it happens, the notion that the 'Final Solution' was decided at Wannsee is quite controversial. I realise Phantom posted something from CODOH or someone on this thread somewhere saying the Wannsee document is fake, but I don't think real people have ever questioned it. Hell, even 'king denier' Carlo Mattogno doesn't think it's fake.
A decent short overview on Wannsee if anyone's interested is the villa, the lake, the meeting by Mark Roseman.

Next there's a real howler. TD says if orders were given orally, it is “very naive” that this was passed down the chain of command orally “army to army, division to division”. I'd say it's “very naive” to assume the Wehrmacht were being told exactly what sections of the SS were up to. Lets forget the fact at times the members of the Wehrmacht actually got a bit antsy about certain SS shenannigans. What? Do they think this was broadcast to the entire German army?!. “Pssst! We're all doin' genocide! Pass it on!”. I mean, “millions of copies”??????? Some corporal on the Eastern front doesn't know where he's being sent tomorrow – but he surely knows about the Holocaust!? For fucks sake, you would quite literally have to have shit for brains to present this as an argument. Or be under the impression your audience has.
As it is, the Nazis operated on what you might call a 'need to know' basis. Pretty fucking obvious really.
Funnily enough, there's been an awful lot of historical research that suggests the Nazi regime just wasn't that efficient (though notice throughout the video the fawning admiration for 'German' efficiency and skill), though you'd think it's not exactly far-fetched they'd at least be able to get their shit together to purge highly incriminating documents when it was clear the war was lost.
As an interesting aside, one of the other sets of documents that's mysteriously absent is data on how the Auschwitz crematoria actually worked and information on cremations in these expensive state-of-the-art installations – as if the Nazis weren't interested in their performance.

According to Mattogno -- and I believe him -- he has read all 88,200 pages in the archives of the Auschwitz Zentralbauleitung held in Moscow.6 Yet in all of this reading, he is only able to document an instance of a single cremation, and that cremation tells us nothing about how the ovens functioned. He does not cite evidence that even a single cremation took place in any of the 46 Birkenau ovens.
One of the key points I made in the body disposal study was the incriminating implications of the lack of such information. Mattogno never bothered to address this point. In fact, the lack to date of any such information is more incriminating than all of the evidence that does exist on Auschwitz. I cited a large number of eyewitness testimonies to the fact that these records were destroyed by the authorities who were seeking to conceal their crimes; statements that are supported by the absence of such documents

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

Personally, I think Zimmerman is overstating the case in saying that this is “more incriminating”, but it's certainly fascinating as to why the Nazis selected these perfectly innocent documents for destruction.
IIRC, the guy that ran Topf, the company that built the ovens, killed himself the day the war ended. Another of life's little coincidences.

Anyway

How do the photos show us much about the conditions? Who are they? Politicals? Common criminals? Jews? When were they taken? And – crucially – in what context. Maybe – and bear with me here – the Nazis may just have some interest in all their photos they allow taken not showing people being maltreated. Just a thought.

Despite the hearty meal paraded by TD, what they fail to mention is:

It should be noted here that the prisoners never received their food rations in the indicated amounts. The reasons for this included theft by SS men and the prisoner trusties responsible for distributing food, as well as the low quality of the foodstuffs supplied to the camp. Products like potatoes and rutabagas were often frozen when they arrived at the camp warehouses, and the meat was spoiled. The energy value of the prisoners' daily rations amounted to somewhere between 1,300 and 1,700 calories, while the Nazi authorities set the daily requirement for a person doing hard work at over 3,000 calories

Auschwitz prisoner labour by Franciszek Piper p.295-296

So hang on – were these soft Nazis ideally spoiling these pampered prisoners?

UK Department of Health Estimated Average Requirements (EAR) are a daily calorie intake of 1940 calories per day for women and 2550 for men.
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/logout/calorie_intake.htm

And let's remember here 'hard labour' in this context did not mean raking some tarmac for 20 minutes with a copy of the sun stuck in your arse crack before stopping for a cup of tea.
It goes without saying Nazi doctors saying rations were “sufficient” is neither here nor there, and “wasn't balanced” tends to make me think kinda “we're having turnip soup...again”.
Still, I'm no nutritionist, so I'm open to evidence 1700 calories PD while doing heavy manual labour gives you that Ready Brek glow; who knows, maybe the 'Toben diet' will be the next fad – he could open camps where people come to get healthy living the 'carefree life of an Auschwitz inmate'.

Despite the fact we don't know who the people in the charming photos are – some prisoners were, as it were more equal than others and there is numerous film footage/photos of desperately starved people. We've all seen it. Furthermore, you cannot tell if someone is malnourished just by looking at a photo of them with their clothes on. Plenty of people in the third across the world are recognised as being malnourished without appearing obviously skeletal.

It is incorrect to say there is no evidence the Dachau chambers were used. It's just there isn't enough to say with any certainty they were. Hence, it's generally said they weren't.

Neither the reports by the U.S. Army, Father Hess nor Sack prove conclusively that the homicidal chamber was used to kill people. Until further evidence is discovered, historians will have to conform themselves with the knowledge that it was technically possible to have murdered human beings with poison gas in that room, and that the room, some 16x16x12ft high, was designed for the exclusive purpose of carrying out such a grim task.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/

Much of this Zyklon B stuff is already covered on this thread.

But now as a man stands there in a spaceman outfit:
“This protective clothing was not available at Auschwitz”
hence it would be impossible to remove corpses from gas chambers. Aside from the fact the notion that Zyklon B would be lethal through skin contact is covered on an earlier post, how did they do all them delousings – using greater quantities – if they didn't have their special safety suits? Have we now transcended Holocaust denial and entered the heady world of delousing denial?
And hang on – in that other video Phantom posted, made by the same people, when they're showing all their equipment I simply don't recall any such outfit being in their kit. Shouldn't the 'doctor' (who we know was a doctor as they wore a white coat) have had one in case they needed to leap in to save a denier if their 'experiment' didn't go as planned? So is Zyklon B deadly, safe or what?

Getting bored now. Will go for part 3 if/when can be arsed/feel it's worth the effort. In fact, I think I may be done.

But how could any self-respecting denier churn out such tosh? Toben's not entirely stupid – he must know how ridiculous he sounds, even by the low standards of Holocaust denial. But it doesn't matter; it's propaganda. Hence, as long as some punters don't catch on, it simply does not matter. They'll go off and believe it. Job done. One more soul won in the holy crusade against da jooos.

On another thread
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15930&page=2
After rather a strange statistical argument which, from a brief skim through, apparently assumes the State Department somehow knew exactly how many people had been killed in 1942, Oiram states

My logic: If this is Bull most of it is Bull!

Well Really? Apart from the twisted, nonsensical logic of assuming that because one argument you've concocted about numbers casts doubt on the ENTIRE HOLOCAUST, why is it that deniers seemingly NEVER look at the BLATANT LIES they've been fed by denier propaganda and say -

My logic: If this is Bull most of it is Bull!

Hmmmm?

Instead, for your committed net denier, it's straight off finding a new argument to see if that one will work.
As it is, even on the narrow issue of 'Hitler was against the Zionists', it's patently obvious Toben is lying through his teeth. But certain 'truthseekers' simply have a blind spot for some lies.

[nickatnoon61]

Subject: Re: Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's oil
> supply - no matter what
>
>
> > Chuck,
> >
> > I've spent many years in the middle east on both sides of The Wall.
> > What the jews are doing is criminal. Every settlement that they build is
> > basically a kind of "fortress" against any Palestinians who might
> object.
> > I've travelled a lot through the West Bank and Gaza - it is a national
> and
> > human tragedy.
> > The jews are engaged in ethnic cleansing and after cleansing, they steal
> > land belonging for generations to Palestinians.
> > Peter Kirsch
> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chuck Brucks" <brucksc@bellsouth.net>
> > To: "Peter Kirsch" <syzygy12@new.co.za>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's oil
> > supply - no matter what
> >
> >
> >> Peter ... Do you approve of the Jews building settlements on
> Palestimian
> >> land? Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peter Kirsch" <syzygy12@new.co.za>
> >> To: "Chuck Brucks" <brucksc@bellsouth.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:40 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's oil
> >> supply - no matter what
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes - i follow middle east politics very closely and lived in
> various
> >> parts
> >> > of the area (both Palestinian nd jewish) for nearly ten years.
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Chuck Brucks" <brucksc@bellsouth.net>
> >> > To: "Chuck Brucks" <brucksc@bellsouth.net>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:40 AM
> >> > Subject: Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's oil
> >> supply - no
> >> > matter what
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Al Perez"
> >> >> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 5:55 PM
> >> >> > Subject: Did you know that by law the US guarantees israel's
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> >> >> > no matter what
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4504
> >> >> >

[oiram]

Just tell me this is a Hoax; I never read this one before?
If not I real worry about Americans Future & understand the situation you Guys got now!

I can not remember when did Germany come up with the Boycott Law toward Jewish Shops and Goods before or after March 24, 1933?

"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express, March 24, 1933.
"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933. Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933....
.See rest of Article (http://jewwatch.us/judea_declares_war_on_germany.htm)

What is even more interesting this News paper article which looks original talked about 600,000 Jews
Go Here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/DailyExpress_March1933_judeafrontpage.jpg


Shit here is more of the good news! Does Bush knows about this? Then he is a total hypocrite.

Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at WWII
http://www.honestmediatoday.com/jdw.htm
This movie is a fair and balanced look at how Jews declared war on Germany in early 1933 (long before any German retaliation began) in an effort to crush Germany. Germans responded to this by making many of these "traitors" to their cause imprisoned (similar to what America did to the Japanese). However, despite propaganda conceived by Jewish supremacists in the form of Holocausts movies made weekly (still, even 60 years after the war's end), there were no homicidal gas chambers.

There were no lampshades made from Jewish skin, and all such talk has been proven to be pure bunk.

There were no bars of soap made from humans, as Jewish propagandists have long argued (despite numerous tests proving them bald-faced liars, and despite even some Jewish historians conceding to this last point--and others).

Most of the stories you hear are simply left-over propaganda conceived by Soviet Jewish master-propagandist Ilya Ehrenberg, which he used to help justify the war.

In fact, according to records from the Red Cross, only about 275,000 Jews died during the course of WWII in lands occupied by Germany. Those who did die suffered mostly from diseases (such as typhus) and malnutrition (towards the war's end, when supply lines were cut and even the general public had to ration its food there).

Today, of course, Jewish supremacists are working quickly to suppress anyone who doubts their propaganda. Take, for example, Ernst Zundel, who was ripped away from his wife Dr. Ingrid Zundel in the hills of Tennessee, when he was sent to Germany for doubting the Holocaust (with a capital "H"). Similarly, Germar Rudolf was taken from his wife and children in Illinois and deported to Germany, where he stood trial and had to go to prison for doubting the Jewish version of history.

No one is sent to Red China for doubting that they killed millions under communism there, which is a known fact; nor is anyone sent to jail for doubting that about 40 million people were murdered under Stalin and his Bolshevik henchmen. But doubt Jewish WWII propaganda, and you might next be sent to Europe to stand trial for their thought crime laws--like a modern day Galileo--punished for telling the truth!

(See articles below about this video not being allowed on a cable access channel that says it supports "free speech"--as long as it touts the line, of course, and doesn't offend Jews only.)

[nickatnoon61]

Thanx Chuck, this parasite Jew is right about one thing. The deadly medication/pharmaceuticals that is robbing us and then killing us is Jew-produced!!!! Then their cell phones give us brain cancer. I use neither any drugs or a cell phone,and I am strong as an ox....and almost as smart! LOL I can tell when a Jew is lying! When his lips are moving!!! Nick.
A man was telling his neighbor in Sun CityRetirementCenter, "I just bought a new hearing aid. It cost me four thousand dollars, but it's state of the art. It's perfect."

"Really," answered the neighbor. "What kind is it?"

"Twelve thirty."





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From:
Date: January 12, 2008 5:21:42 PM PST (CA)
To:
Subject: Israel needs Money !


From: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Help Israel ... Send Money !

Sounds like an incompetent jackass like yourself is jealous that their are hard working life loving kind capable people out their- contributing to the advancement of mankind- creating medicines ( made by Jews which you are the beneficiary of right now- you old fart-- look at your pill bottles- if you take generic drugs 70% of them are manufactured by an Israeli company- you'd better throw them out- you shouldn't be taking Jew medicine- as you and your fellow Nazis would say. Do you have a cell phone? Better throw it out. The major developments of cell phone technology were developed at a Motorola lab in Israel - Israeli sientists get royalties every time you buy a phone so you're contributing to Jew scientists in the Zionist entity.

Been on a plane lately. Alot of the technology used in the Avionics were invented and are made in Israel. Your right. you should be basing your life on the adsvances to society invented by Hamas and Hezbollah like the abacus but your probably not bright enough to understand how to use one.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: Help Israel ... Send Money !

This is what $5.6 billion looks like. Most of the money shown in the photo below are $100 bills stacked up four feet tall. It's about the same amount of money that we give to Israel each and every year. Can you imagine what this money could do to help our own people in America? Our Congress and our president authorizes this amount of money as aid to Israel each and every year even though Israel and the Jewish people have the largest number of millionaires and billionaires per capita in the world, and that Israel is the 26th wealthiest nation on this planet. With this in mind, you must also realize that the U.S. government must issue bonds to China and Japan to get this money to pay to Israel. In other words, we borrow money from China to give to Israel just so our politicians in Washington have the Jewish vote, the Jewish media, the Jewish corporate bosses, and the Jewish power behind them, insuring that their politicial careers are not in danger or ever being labeled anti-Semitic. Since Israel is the only nation receiving U.S. aid that is not required to submit accountability as to how the aid is used, we can imagine much of it is being used in building illegal settlements on Palestinian land that the U.S. and the rest of the world considers to be the biggest obstacle to peace in the Middle East. The U.S. and Israel are quick to label any state as a terrorist state if they don't abide by U.S. and Israeli demands. I think it's time they both take a look in the mirror.

[umbrex]

actually it does if you had bothered to watch it, it states that for some reason 6 million jews have been killed on 3 seperate occasions. strange that eh? what dis goebels say about repeating a lie often enough.....

oh, the video says it ..well that's good enough for me................