I'll be banned for this, but

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I believe that reality is the illusion that it is said to be.

I don't believe in heaven or hell.

I don't believe I'll ever be punished for commiting a "sin"..

I do believe that everyone is made up of the same soul I am made up of.. However, I believe my part is too unique, just as everyone elses, and I do believe that it has another half(aka: soul-mate)..

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

I don't mean any offense to anybody. I do believe that love will bring us to great places in life(sic).. But I don't think it's going to stop the illuminati, or anything like that.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

A shame they have all the bullets, large weapons and stealth then :p

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAASEEEEEEEEEE!! :p

They don't have it all.

Plus, what says they are going to know EVERYTHING I do?

How do they know I can't walk through walls or some shit?

[mara of the acoma]

I believe that reality is the illusion that it is said to be.

I don't believe in heaven or hell.

I don't believe I'll ever be punished for commiting a "sin"..

I do believe that everyone is made up of the same soul I am made up of.. However, I believe my part is too unique, just as everyone elses, and I do believe that it has another half(aka: soul-mate)..

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

I don't mean any offense to anybody. I do believe that love will bring us to great places in life(sic).. But I don't think it's going to stop the illuminati, or anything like that.

For what it's worth, I think the definition of hell is a world of people who do not know god and heaven is a world of people who do. "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you". In the same respect, the realisation that we are all onesoul is heaven and that to "sin" is to be unaware of these things. Sin has nothing to do with being naughty.

As for soulmates - I think that male and female energies together can help evolution of individuals but should not be relied upon to complete oneself, since one is already complete. To not understand this is to live in sin.

The Illuminati to me is the physical manifestation of the fact that most people are living in sin and look to things like love/sex to complete themselves. This in itself of course is a symptom of not knowing god/self. Remedy this and there will be no need for guns/wars and I think we've had enough of those already. As David said, don't fight for peace, you PEACE for peace.

[teslafire]

Why in God's name would you ever think that you might be penalized, much less banned for expressing your thoughts genuinely about real world shit?

You don't have to worry about that. ;)

But I know how you feel, the guilt for saying you want to shoot your way out of a mess.

Well, I don't have my own guns yet (I'm waiting for the right gunshow) but when I go skeet shooting with my buddy's shotgun I bring an orgone pendant with me because I'm paranoid about the vibes that having a gun in my hand may generate in me.

To some degree I'm ashamed that I do feel guilty for merely wanting to protect myself from jackbooted brainwashed thugs but at the same time I don't wanna feed the hate...I'm very conflicted on the issue of how best to approach 'the agenda' face to face.

[intruder]

my lordship? why dost thou feel that thy thread would result in excommunication?

Well, you certainly would be banned from various religious institutions which you obviously do not attend.

If you have an aversion to the word "sin" or "god" which can be a "negative" form of attachment...change it.

If someone urinated on your new car seats...you may not wish to call it "sin"...bit I venture that you WOULD be pissed off! :)

Are you moving towards a "Crowley" (33rd degree freemason, and the 20th centuries most famous satanist) mindset of "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

[Anders Lindman]

Meditate on infinite suffering, and you will find that the horrors in this world pale in comparison. Clearly suffering is not Infinite Love, yet it IS the dirty soil from which Infinite Love flowers.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Why in God's name would you ever think that you might be penalized, much less banned for expressing your thoughts genuinely about real world shit?

You don't have to worry about that. ;)

But I know how you feel, the guilt for saying you want to shoot your way out of a mess.

Well, I don't have my own guns yet (I'm waiting for the right gunshow) but when I go skeet shooting with my buddy's shotgun I bring an orgone pendant with me because I'm paranoid about the vibes that having a gun in my hand may generate in me.

To some degree I'm ashamed that I do feel guilty for merely wanting to protect myself from jackbooted brainwashed thugs but at the same time I don't wanna feed the hate...I'm very conflicted on the issue of how best to approach 'the agenda' face to face.

my lordship? why dost thou feel that thy thread would result in excommunication?

Well, you certainly would be banned from various religious institutions which you obviously do not attend.

If you have an aversion to the word "sin" or "god" which can be a "negative" form of attachment...change it.

If someone urinated on your new car seats...you may not wish to call it "sin"...bit I venture that you WOULD be pissed off! :)

Are you moving towards a "Crowley" (33rd degree freemason, and the 20th centuries most famous satanist) mindset of "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

I thought it could be locked/ and I be banned because I'm talking about murdering people of the Illuminati.

Now, I'm talking about getting rid of some dirty lizards. Since reality is what I make it, I feel that they are the largest threat there can be.

Is it wrong for me to want to save humanity from that which it can not understand quite yet?


And secondly, I haven't read much of Crowely.

I'm just tired of hearing the "love is the answer" line everytime we feel threaten by something. NO! For example, you said you wanted to protect yourself from "brainwashed thugs", but feel guilty for it. WHY?
These thugs had chances, they could ahve made other choices, but no. They decided to go down the path they are on. They came into your house, thinking they could do whatever they want, even kill you if they wanted. They were being selfish in action and thought. But you have a family/loved ones to protect. And you are able to stop them, but only by taking their lives. By all means, I feel you were 100% in the right, and I would have done the same thing. Even would have laughed about it. You want to be selfish, lets see you survive me....


Ok, I'm ranting now, but you get what I'm saying?

[bigus_dickus]

Now, I'm talking about getting rid of some dirty lizards. Since reality is what I make it, I feel (fear)that they are the largest threat there can be.

Is it wrong for me to want to save humanity from that which it can not understand quite yet?

I'm just tired of hearing the "love is the answer" line everytime we feel threaten by something. NO!

of course not, it's fear.

For example, you said you wanted to protect yourself from "brainwashed thugs", but feel guilty for it. WHY?

scared.

These thugs had chances, they could ahve made other choices, but no. They decided to go down the path they are on. They came into your house, thinking they could do whatever they want, even kill you if they wanted. They were being selfish in action and thought. But you have a family/loved ones to protect. And you are able to stop them, but only by taking their lives. By all means, I feel you were 100% in the right, and I would have done the same thing. Even would have laughed about it. You want to be selfish, lets see you survive me....


Ok, I'm ranting now, but you get what I'm saying?

loud and clear, it is all fear.

[Anders Lindman]

Treat the Illuminati from a stance imbued with infinite compassion. And from that (ivory tower) position spank the crap out of them. :) This is actually in a way what David Icke has promoted for a long time. And it makes sense. If we fight the Illuminati from a position of "serious" hatred and fear, we align ourselves with the dark side of the Force. Civilized behaviour demands, just as in a tennis match, that we fight to win, not fight in order to kill the opponent, which is merely Dark Age mentality.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

How was that all fear?

Fear of what? Death?

If I was to go off and and kill them off one by one, I have a bigger chance of dying than I had just sitting at work, going home and being a family man.

Yes, I'm afraid of what they will do to the rest of humanity, but tell me, how many people in the world are aware of what illuminati are doing?

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say a good 5 million.. That's still 6 and a half billion people that are unaware.

We're screwed. We can't even agree about why the earth is getting warmer or even if it is getting warmer.

You actually think that this race of human beings is going to make it?


Please, someone, convince me that the human race stands a chance. Because from everything I'm reading, seeing, and listening to. We're all fucked.

[bigus_dickus]

How was that all fear?

Fear of what? Death?

[..]

Please, someone, convince me that the human race stands a chance. Because from everything I'm reading, seeing, and listening to. We're all fucked.

no man, fear of broccoli.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

no man, fear of broccoli.

OMG!OMG! :o
I almost pissed my pants.


























:rolleyes:

Seriously, I don't see how I'm afraid.

[bigus_dickus]

Seriously, I don't see how I'm afraid.

you say it yourself on your post. you didn't mean it? actually you said it all over your posts (of this thread). i don't want to patronize you, you perfectly understand what i mean.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

you say it yourself on your post. you didn't mean it? actually you said it all over your posts (of this thread). i don't want to patronize you, you perfectly understand what i mean.

Ok, so I'm afraid of what they will do to humantiy...

Do you see humanity doing anything about though?

So am I in the wrong to stop them before they do anymore harm?

[bigus_dickus]

Ok, so I'm afraid of what they will do to humantiy...

why?

Do you see humanity doing anything about though?

YES!

So am I in the wrong to stop them before they do anymore harm?

only if you believe that you are wrong. i didn't say you were wrong.

[Anders Lindman]

no man, fear of broccoli.

Actually, chronophobia is the fundamental fear in humanity. People are consciously or subconsciously more afraid of time than death (or broccoli :)).

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

why?
Because I care.



YES!

REALLY? So 6 million will stop 100,000 people that are defended by the thoughts, and armies of 6 and a half billion?


only if you believe that you are wrong. i didn't say you were wrong.

No, I don't believe I am wrong. But there are those here that do think I am wrong.

[bigus_dickus]

Actually, chronophobia is the fundamental fear in humanity. People are consciously or subconsciously more afraid of time than death (or broccoli :)).

fear of death, is insane. because people don't understand death, they can't fear death. they are not capable to fear death.

the truth? it is life that they fear. their own selves.

[i am all i am]

G'day everyone,

Here's the way I look at it.

Love is all there is, therefore we are all one. So, what you give out you get back. That is, you (the microcosm) gives out, the universe (the macrocosm) gives back. If you don't give out shit, you don't get shit back.

Although there may be a circumstance where someone else attracts that energy while you are around them. You then have the choice to become the macrocosm and give back to the attacker that which they are giving out. Obviously there are ways to nuetralise their energy and this can even be unnecessary. So lets say that you were walking by as someone is being gang raped. Once again, it would be obviously a loving thing to do to defend that individual against their attackers. Love would protect/defend, it doesn't attack.

I find there to be very minimal occasions when you would ever be required to become the macrocosm and be the one to give back what was being given out by an attacker.

An attacker is coming from fear and will always back off from someone that shows no fear, that is, love. The bully is scared of having a real fight where someone fights back. If you won't back away from the fight, then they will. The thing with this is that you also have to be willing to give back everything that the attacker is giving out, even 'death'.

It's a tough call about what you would do and you really have to make up your own mind about it. I don't suggest dwelling upon the topic as your mind moves towards your dominant thoughts and you could draw the energy to you. Although I do agree that you can look at the idea that would best suit your beliefs and then make your decision about what you would do if..., and then let it go so you don't draw it to you, but you are prepared if it ever becomes necessary to act upon.


With LOVE.
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[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

G'day everyone,

Here's the way I look at it.

Love is all there is, therefore we are all one. So, what you give out you get back. That is, you (the microcosm) gives out, the universe (the macrocosm) gives back. If you don't give out shit, you don't get shit back.

Although there may be a circumstance where someone else attracts that energy while you are around them. You then have the choice to become the macrocosm and give back to the attacker that which they are giving out. Obviously there are ways to nuetralise their energy and this can even be unnecessary. So lets say that you were walking by as someone is being gang raped. Once again, it would be obviously a loving thing to do to defend that individual against their attackers. Love would protect/defend, it doesn't attack.

I find there to be very minimal occasions when you would ever be required to become the macrocosm and be the one to give back what was being given out by an attacker.

An attacker is coming from fear and will always back off from someone that shows no fear, that is, love. The bully is scared of having a real fight where someone fights back. If you won't back away from the fight, then they will. The thing with this is that you also have to be willing to give back everything that the attacker is giving out, even 'death'.

It's a tough call about what you would do and you really have to make up your own mind about it. I don't suggest dwelling upon the topic as your mind moves towards your dominant thoughts and you could draw the energy to you. Although I do agree that you can look at the idea that would best suit your beliefs and then make your decision about what you would do if..., and then let it go so you don't draw it to you, but you are prepared if it ever becomes necessary to act upon.


With LOVE.
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So, I should not attack the bullies(illuminati), but rather defend a defenseless human race?

Either way, it would only come back to my original thought.
There is no peaceful way of stopping them, I'm sorry.

[Anders Lindman]

fear of death, is insane. because people don't understand death, they can't fear death. they are not capable to fear death.

the truth? it is life that they fear. their own selves.

Good point. Many people commit suicide. Meaning, they think of their own future (time) as being worse than death. Talk about having a firm belief!

[ho1ogram]

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.


Hey, don't let our flowers and flowing energies of love stop ya. What are you waiting for? Go for it.

As for me, I conquered my fear of broccoli years ago.

[i am all i am]

So, I should not attack the bullies(illuminati), but rather defend a defenseless human race?

Either way, it would only come back to my original thought.
There is no peaceful way of stopping them, I'm sorry.

What if I said that we could raise the worlds conciousness through music to a point where there would no longer be any violence or war, would you believe it ? or are you 'set in stone' on your ideas ? and are therefore justifying your intent to fight ?

Life is infinite. Therefore there are A LOT of ways that the illuminati can be defeated without resorting to violence. Remember the saying, 'You don't fight fire with fire'.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[Anders Lindman]

So, I should not attack the bullies(illuminati), but rather defend a defenseless human race?

Either way, it would only come back to my original thought.
There is no peaceful way of stopping them, I'm sorry.

I think we will have to bring the fight to a higher level. That higher level is not peaceful in the ordinary meaning of that word, but fierce as hell. To fight the Illuminati in a reptile-brain mode will turn us into gladiators. Some people may find that stimulating. Be my guest. But winning on a higher level is not about killing the opponent. That's all too crude. Spanking the Illuminati ass in an information war is much more efficient I believe. The Internet is a very powerful tool. Not even the Illuminati will be able to fully stop the Internet. :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

What if I said that we could raise the worlds conciousness through music to a point where there would no longer be any violence or war, would you believe it ? or are you 'set in stone' on your ideas ? and are therefore justifying your intent to fight ?

Life is infinite. Therefore there are A LOT of ways that the illuminati can be defeated without resorting to violence. Remember the saying, 'You don't fight fire with fire'.


With LOVE.
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The saying is you fight fire with fire.

To stop a forest fire from spreading any further, you start a smaller, controlable fire about 50 yards ahead of the forest fire. Then you put it out when it's reached about 20 yards.

The forest fire can't spread over already burnt out wood.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I think we will have to bring the fight to a higher level. That higher level is not peaceful in the ordinary meaning of that word, but fierce as hell. To fight the Illuminati in a reptile-brain mode will turn us into gladiators. Some people may find that stimulating. Be my guest. But winning on a higher level is not about killing the opponent. That's all too crude. Spanking the Illuminati ass in an information war is much more efficient I believe. The Internet is a very powerful tool. Not even the Illuminati will be able to fully stop the Internet. :D

I agree, but humans don't trust eachother, so how do you expect them all to listen?

It's like this.
An alien spaceship could land in LA, with thousands of people seeing it, and even filming it. And still, half of them wouldn't believe it.

[i am all i am]

The saying is you fight fire with fire.

To stop a forest fire from spreading any further, you start a smaller, controlable fire about 50 yards ahead of the forest fire. Then you put it out when it's reached about 20 yards.

The forest fire can't spread over already burnt out wood.

Or you could use a lot of water.

It also depends on how hot the fire is for it to spread through an already burnt out wood. The whole tree doesn't get burnt in every forest fire.

What of my other questions ????


With LOVE.

[Anders Lindman]

I agree, but humans don't trust eachother, so how do you expect them all to listen?

It's like this.
An alien spaceship could land in LA, with thousands of people seeing it, and even filming it. And still, half of them wouldn't believe it.

Trust that people will always do what they THINK is in their best interest. And when people resonate with fear, then that will create a destructive field. I would not say that I am myself immune to the field of fear. Heck, I even often contribute to it. But I have noticed that when I can lessen my own field of fear, the outside world will become cooperative, or at least I will not so easily be dragged into the collective fields of conflicts.

[bigus_dickus]

Because I care.

you care? just that? what do you really care for? you are going to say, that you care for your people that you love and their lives. but how come you express caring for them as fear?

is it that caring = fear, or is it that this is just your way of thinking?

REALLY? So 6 million will stop 100,000 people that are defended by the thoughts, and armies of 6 and a half billion?

when? you are talking about a war here. you are willing to go and fight for what you believe, just like they are. you are not any different, you are going to be brothers killing brothers once again and for what?

this is exactly how wars get started. get a bunch of fanatics and persuade them that they will loose whatever it is that you got them believe that you offer them and you got yourself a loyal and ready to die army. stand and fight for the cause. however, there is no winner in a war, you should already know that.

No, I don't believe I am wrong. But there are those here that do think I am wrong.

wrong, becomes wrong, when you do or think something that does not match your intentions. if i intend to turn right, it is wrong to turn left. however, turning left is not wrong, nor right, it is just turning left.

[tru3]

you know, personally, i'd rather be killed than kill. does that make me a victim? not the way i see it. i become victim of my own violence.

lordship, i actually understand how you feel. when i think of all the betrayal on one hand, and all the apathy on the other, i feel this hotness in my throat, the bile rise, the anger seethe. for years my response to the 'chip has always been, "they'll be putting one in my cold, dead corpse".

that's a very human, animal reaction. please don't be offended by that observation. nothing is more life-sustaining, or more savage than a bear protecting her cubs. it's that response that i feel; NO MORE, GODDAMMIT! when does it end?

it takes two to tango. to stop playing the game of illusion, i have to stop playing the game. they never will.

only one thing is sure; both of us, you and me, are going to die. it's my belief we're sure to come back, again and again. hell, if i thought i could evade responsibility, i would go out in a blaze of cop-assisted suicide myself. i just happen to believe that the only thing i can ever change are my own thoughts, beliefs, attitudes and actions. i'll never beat them. i can only master myself.

If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

please go watch free hugs campaign. that's hittin' em where they least expect it! :D

please, before you start the revolution, go outside one more time. feel the sunshine on your face one last time. look deeply into the eyes of your loved ones one more time, passionately give your lover one last kiss. then make your peace.

then go back and kiss them one more time. let them know you go not in hatred, but in love. be the wrathful deity of compassion, the not the demon of revenge.

what we leave behind is who we are.

[Anders Lindman]

or at least I will not so easily be dragged into the collective fields of conflicts.

That's not exactly true either. The conflict has to rise to a higher level. Hurt can be on (at least) three levels: (1) physical, (2) emotional, and (3) mental. I try to stay on the mental level of conflict. Mental conflicts can be rationally understood, and will be more like a game than something that actually will hurt other people. It CAN hurt other people tremendously in the form of hurt feelings and so on, but that's frankly none of my business. :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

That's not exactly true either. The conflict has to rise to a higher level. Hurt can be on (at least) three levels: (1) physical, (2) emotional, and (3) mental. I try to stay on the mental level of conflict. Mental conflicts can be rationally understood, and will be more like a game than something that actually will hurt other people. It CAN hurt other people tremendously in the form of hurt feelings and so on, but that's frankly none of my business. :D

However, when feeling mentally defeated, the weak of mind tend to attack on a physical level.

they have humanity by the balls mentally. And emotionally. I say stop them before ti becomes phyisical.

[Anders Lindman]

That's not exactly true either. The conflict has to rise to a higher level. Hurt can be on (at least) three levels: (1) physical, (2) emotional, and (3) mental. I try to stay on the mental level of conflict. Mental conflicts can be rationally understood, and will be more like a game than something that actually will hurt other people. It CAN hurt other people tremendously in the form of hurt feelings and so on, but that's frankly none of my business. :D

But that requires that I stay on a mental level which HAS the lower domains of emotions and physical reality integrated. Then the fight can continue on the level of cold rational thought, because the dimensions of emotions and physical reality are not being neglected. If you are still in the mushy space of pathetic emotions, then anyone will be able to push your emotional buttons making you behave like a puppet on strings, jerking you around this way or that way, but, as Anthony De Mello said: Do you call that human?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

But that requires that I stay on a mental level which HAS the lower domains of emotions and physical reality integrated. Then the fight can continue on the level of cold rational thought, because the dimensions of emotions and physical reality are not being neglected. If you are still in the mushy space of pathetic emotions, then anyone will be able to push your emotional buttons making you behave like a puppet on strings, jerking you around this way or that way, but, as Anthony De Mello said: Do you call that human?

Exactly. And I'm talking about things that can murder little children without a flinch. You think they can become emotionally distressed by a mental war?

[i am all i am]

However, when feeling mentally defeated, the weak of mind tend to attack on a physical level.

they have humanity by the balls mentally. And emotionally. I say stop them before ti becomes phyisical.

Here's a little story for you.

I was walking past some parked cars at a small shopping centre when I noticed that a car engine was still running without anyone in it (it was summer and the air-conditioner was on in the car). I did a double-take on the car and saw a baby in the back seat in a safety seat. Now in Australia you can break the window of a car to bring air to a baby or young child locked inside. I went to the drivers door and it was unlocked. So I opened the car, turned the engine off and wound down the windows (I've heard that babies can dehydrate in summer in an air-conditioned car). As I left the car and got back onto the footpath a man came out of the small supermarket and started yelling at me to get away from the car. Now, this guy was about 6 foot 2 and I am just under 5 foot 10. He was a big build as well. After abusing me verbally as he walked past, he put his shopping on the front seat as I told him why I had done what I did. He stepped back onto the footpath and threatened to 'rip my head off and shove it up my arse'. My response to this was to spread my arms, palms facing him pushing my energy out, and say, "I am standing here, try it". He threatened me again and I responded by saying "try it" another time. This guy must have weighed 20-30kg more than me and yet he walked away like a dog with its tail between its legs.

The moral of the story is this. I showed no fear and used the words "I am" to declare myself as THE CREATOR for me, and I used "Try it" for him. By trying 'it', that's all he could do, try it not do it. By declaring I AM he had to face himself and all of his fear was given back to him and he was scared and walked away. You cannot bring darkness into a room that is full of light and he could not bring his fear into my field of love (my auric field).


With LOVE.
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[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Here's a little story for you.

I was walking past some parked cars at a small shopping centre when I noticed that a car engine was still running without anyone in it (it was summer and the air-conditioner was on in the car). I did a double-take on the car and saw a baby in the back seat in a safety seat. Now in Australia you can break the window of a car to bring air to a baby or young child locked inside. I went to the drivers door and it was unlocked. So I opened the car, turned the engine off and wound down the windows (I've heard that babies can dehydrate in summer in an air-conditioned car). As I left the car and got back onto the footpath a man came out of the small supermarket and started yelling at me to get away from the car. Now, this guy was about 6 foot 2 and I am just under 5 foot 10. He was a big build as well. After abusing me verbally as he walked past, he put his shopping on the front seat as I told him why I had done what I did. He stepped back onto the footpath and threatened to 'rip my head off and shove it up my arse'. My response to this was to spread my arms, palms facing him pushing my energy out, and say, "I am standing here, try it". He threatened me again and I responded by saying "try it" another time. This guy must have weighed 20-30kg more than me and yet he walked away like a dog with its tail between its legs.

The moral of the story is this. I showed no fear and used the words "I am" to declare myself as THE CREATOR for me, and I used "Try it" for him. By trying 'it', that's all he could do, try it not do it. By declaring I AM he had to face himself and all of his fear was given back to him and he was scared and walked away. You cannot bring darkness into a room that is full of light and he could not bring his fear into my field of love (my auric field).


With LOVE.
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Nicely done.

But that doesn't help at what I'm getting at.

I mean, of course a play on words always helps out.

But I'm talking about people, a group, who has an agenda to hurt humanity as it is.

This guy you encountered, was only very irrashinal, and probably not all that bright in my opinion (WTF are you doing leaving your child in a car like that?).

[Anders Lindman]

Exactly. And I'm talking about things that can murder little children without a flinch. You think they can become emotionally distressed by a mental war?

The fact is that people or organizations like the Illuminati will NOT become distressed by a war on the level of emotions. The key dimension of Illuminati manipulation is the emotional level. Only hard, cold mental impact will shake the foundation of the reptile-brain power pyramid. Information that will make a difference will be ABOVE the emotional level. It's time we give the finger to mushy mainstream propaganda and start spanking some Illuminati ass. :D

[i am all i am]

Nicely done.

But that doesn't help at what I'm getting at.

I mean, of course a play on words always helps out.

But I'm talking about people, a group, who has an agenda to hurt humanity as it is.

This guy you encountered, was only very irrashinal, and probably not all that bright in my opinion (WTF are you doing leaving your child in a car like that?).

Thank you.

This is no play on words. This is how you control the physical body. There is a way you can see this through an experiment if you'd like.

Get somebody to do this with. Ask them which is there weaker arm. Get them to put it straight out (90 degrees to the body) and tell them you are going to push down on their arm at the wrist with two fingers. Say these words, "Stop me from pushing your arm down, hold it up and resist my effort". Now push down. You'll notice that they will be able to do it for a certain length of time (it varies with people). Get them to put up their strong arm and repeat, this time saying, "I want you to try and stop me pushing your arm down". You'll find that their strong arm is way easier to push down and falls a lot sooner (again it varies with people). The word 'try' deactivates the mind/body from being able accomplish anything. This is actually very powerful stuff.

And I have actually done the same thing to a group of 17-18 year olds. When you've developed your Chi enough you don't even need to say anything, you push it out and they can't come near you. Please believe me when I say that love always prevails.


With LOVE.
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[tru3]

The fact is that people or organizations like the Illuminati will NOT become distressed by a war on the level of emotions. The key dimension of Illuminati manipulation is the emotional level. Only hard, cold mental impact will shake the foundation of the reptile-brain power pyramid. Information that will make a difference will be ABOVE the emotional level. It's time we give the finger to mushy mainstream propaganda and start spanking some Illuminati ass. :D

Anders, i think you know i respect your opinion, but i have to disagree with you. the energetic frequency of emotional energy is different, not higher or lower. it's all just energy. the unconscious communicates via emotions and imagery. it simply doesn't understand word forms. and the Divine, the superconscious if you want to call it that, communicates to us through the totality of our experience. the brain is NOT an organ of perception. the "gut" is more of an organ of perception than the brain. to suggest that mental prowess is the highest evolutionary development does the creator a disservice, imo. lol

the emotions must be transcended for growth, but they also must be honored and included. if not, they are repressed and denied and projected.. this is the foundation of modern psychology. that statement is not only based on study and belief, but actual experience. i don't believe in the efficacy of years and years of therapy, but every once in a while, i've been known to bring the ol' brain engine in for a tuneup. ;-)

i don't want to speak to lordship in third person, but as i said, i can relate to how he feels. feelings, like thoughts, come and go; tomorrow, we all might wake up in a great mood and unable to remember what all the fuss was about! it's all fleeting, temporary, a shadow game. but it hurts like hell when i'm in the middle of it. sometimes it's better to bring the tainted food back up to the surface through the physical process of regurgitation than letting it soak into the bloodstream.

suddenly, i feel like a ripping good game of paintball! :D

[Anders Lindman]

the emotions must be transcended for growth, but they also must be honored and included. if not, they are repressed and denied and projected..

Sure. By being above emotions, I don't mean rejection, repression or denial of emotions. What I mean is that emotions must be brought into conscious awareness. We have been taught to more or less be victims of our emotions. That's not conscious awareness. That's merely subconscious awareness.

[king]

I believe that reality is the illusion that it is said to be.

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

neither do I -- i say -- let them do their job.
that is the only way that humanity will awaken.
period.
how do i know it?
because no one i know wants to hear about Illuminati, their plans. After 8 years or so -- i gave up on attempts to "awaken" the people. hey, they do not even care about the air that they breathe, nor do they care about water that they drink, nor poisons in vaccines that they allow their own children to be injected with.
Am I going to awaken such excuses for humans?

that selective amnesia, that chosen ignorance, is far greater problem than some bunch of old men fucking with the "unknown realms" while cross dressed in skirts or wearing aprons. And they get away with this shit because we do nothing to stop them.

the poison of evil is in each of us. those of us who spent lots of time trying to understand it and who were brave enough to look in the mirror KNOW that this is so.
We know that that evil within each of us is the reason for increasing number of the laws that take our freedoms away.
those that we call illuminati know that this age, this illusion, this maya, this era of humanity is ending.
they also know that a major turmoil is to ensue because when that illusion begins to fall at its rivets -- the whole hell will be unleashed.
Just look at the Britain -- it is a time bomb. France is not much better off. Canada, U.S. are the same. Just like the rest of the world. not one country is safe nowadays.
do you think that Illuminati have created all of those internal turmoils? how could they have done that, if the people were essentially good?
See, people are not essentially good, they are mix of good and evil, but evil in human hearts seem to be now more prevalent than ever!
Why? Every country that you go to suffers from same problems, where family is at war, where society is collapsing, where chaos is within human consciousness.
What is that is bringing worse in humans now?



I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

dumbed down sheep wants always to look for the problems and solutions outside of them selves.
otherwise, sheep would have done away with religions, governments, "health care", "education", insurance... and 99% of unnecessary professions millenniums ago.

i do not really feel sorry for the sheep anymore, that is largely their choice. I consider my self to act like a ship sometimes, but at least i am conscious of it.
I know who is to blame.
all that sheep needs to do is say -- "hey this is not working, let's find a realistic solution. i am ready to change my life for the betterment of civilization, for betterment of humanity. i am ready to give my self towards this goal and i do not except material rewards.
future of my children and my lovely planet means more to me than all money in the world."

but, how many people are willing to do so?
how many people are ready to say -- "i am the one who is to blame, i am the one who needs to change FIRST."

so, yes, we need to stop pointing finger outside of our selves, we need to point that finger straight ahead as we are looking in the mirror.
that is where the true Illuminati power is, that is how we fix the problems.
Those who went through the self reflection process will know what i am talking about. Knowing where to look is the key.


I don't mean any offense to anybody. I do believe that love will bring us to great places in life(sic).. But I don't think it's going to stop the illuminati, or anything like that.


i may not agree with you, you many not agree with me... but you are clever my friend, you are on the right track, that is for sure.
not so long ago I was on this track too.
;)

[tinmenace]

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

Then you are perpetuating their agenda.


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[i am all i am]

Sure. By being above emotions, I don't mean rejection, repression or denial of emotions. What I mean is that emotions must be brought into conscious awareness. We have been taught to more or less be victims of our emotions. That's not conscious awareness. That's merely subconscious awareness.

I understand where you are coming from Anders.

Emotions are a choice. Being reactive is playing the 'drama' game. I am the one that chooses how I feel and it isn't reliant upon outside circumstances. Your senses recognise the outside, your emotions come from an inner choice.


With LOVE.
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[Anders Lindman]

I understand where you are coming from Anders.

Emotions are a choice. Being reactive is playing the 'drama' game. I am the one that chooses how I feel and it isn't reliant upon outside circumstances. Your senses recognise the outside, your emotions come from an inner choice.


I am practicing having more control over my emotions. It's very difficult, but I think it can be done, just as you say. Instead of repression or trying to make myself feel good, I work with my negative emotions, sort of trying to transmute them. Emotional alchemy kind of.

[i am all i am]

I am practicing having more control over my emotions. It's very difficult, but I think it can be done, just as you say. Instead of repression or trying to make myself feel good, I work with my negative emotions, sort of trying to transmute them. Emotional alchemy kind of.

I beleive in you Anders, you'll achieve it.

I found that letting go, not requiring any outcome, to be the thing that did it for me.


With LOVE.
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[Anders Lindman]

I found that letting go, not requiring any outcome, to be the thing that did it for me.


I have not been very successful in letting go. What seems to work better for me is a kind of relaxing negative emotions and thoughts.

[adramelech]

Good thread. We see examples in several posts of a particularly potent strand of elite thought imposition - that of "victim blaming", or the Just World philosophy. Needless to say, when you are in control of a population by covert manipulation, you love nothing more than when those in bondage actually start to blame other prisoners for the entrapment - or worse yet, themselves!

Actually, though, this is a common reaction to massive trauma or psychological damage. It is especially common in "Stockholm Syndrome", where hostage victims will begin to look upon their captors with love and attachment. A rape victim for example will often blame themselves internally for bringing on the rape, whether through the physical actions or their thoughts. This is nosense, of course, but the philosophy that "we are the problem" is virtually identical. It becomes much easier to deal with an external problem when it is brought into the self. This solves nothing in reality.

Victim blaming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_World_Hypothesis

[i am all i am]

I have not been very successful in letting go. What seems to work better for me is a kind of relaxing negative emotions and thoughts.

I had the perfect training tool to help me with letting go. I used to work going business to business selling. I'd see 300+ people 6 days a week and 270+ would say "no" in varying ways, from "get a real job" and "fuck off" to "no thank you".

As long as you are successful once, you can continue to succeed. You merely string together more moments of success until it is a permanent state of being for you. So you start by slipping up once a day, then only once a week, to once a month, etc., until you don't slip up again. A thousand mile journey begins with one step.


With LOVE.
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[Anders Lindman]

270+ would say "no" in varying ways


I take it that you mean that this could relate to inner "no":s as well. Negative thoughts and emotions are actually a kind of inner conflict.

Letting go of the causes of inner conflict is probably an efficient way of transmuting emotions. But as I see it that is a super, super difficult practice. The reason why letting go is so difficult is that the "me" that is doing the letting go is ITSELF very much involved in and entangled with the very conflicts that are to be transmuted.

[jologriffiths]

Treat the Illuminati from a stance imbued with infinite compassion. And from that (ivory tower) position spank the crap out of them. :) This is actually in a way what David Icke has promoted for a long time. And it makes sense. If we fight the Illuminati from a position of "serious" hatred and fear, we align ourselves with the dark side of the Force. Civilized behaviour demands, just as in a tennis match, that we fight to win, not fight in order to kill the opponent, which is merely Dark Age mentality.

This is crucial to our survival! I'm as fiesty as you get and I would love to beat the u know what out of all the bloodthirsty perpetrators, but we do have to step FORWARD not back and I KNOW that we must ABANDON VIOLENCE if we are to understand our future indeed if we are to have one.

Its not easy to get your head round, but violence belongs to the old way (and has never worked!) and we must try something new and extraordinary, people are waking up all over the place, the more courage that builds up the more we can deal with these misguided tyrants!

Not many know all the solutions yet, all I know is that you play straight into their hands with aggression and hatred, in this state you are much more vulnerable and you make it easier for them to manipulate you because they understand this state of mind.
They are in the minority (thugs included!) and totally outnumbered, and although alot of the people on Earth are still asleep, you are much more likely to affect the majority by suggesting peaceful assertive means to remove these reptiles rather than by weilding a shotgun/missile or some other weapon of mass destruction!


The laws of the universe demand that we take our consciousness to a higher level, take the initiative and have faith in the future...thats all we got! :)

[i am all i am]

I take it that you mean that this could relate to inner "no":s as well. Negative thoughts and emotions are actually a kind of inner conflict.

Letting go of the causes of inner conflict is probably an efficient way of transmuting emotions. But as I see it that is a super, super difficult practice. The reason why letting go is so difficult is that the "me" that is doing the letting go is ITSELF very much involved in and entangled with the very conflicts that are to be transmuted.

Actually it I was only using it as an example to show that external negatives can be overcome by not taking them 'on board'. If I focused on the 270+ negatives everyday, then I wouldn't have a positive attitude, and when I did find the people that would say yes, they would reject me because I had a negative attitude. People are really buying your attitude when your selling something.

The cause of inner conflict is an attachment to an outcome. If you are unattached to the outcome then there is nothing 'fighting' to be dominant inside of you. You are merely experiencing one choice after the next and observing the results of your choices. Allow others to be reactive, you remain with how you would choose to be regardless of the others reactions.


With LOVE.
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[Anders Lindman]

The cause of inner conflict is an attachment to an outcome.

Maybe so, but I don't see how to not be attached to outcomes. I suspect if I tried I would only be fooling myself and create a subtle form of repression.

[Anders Lindman]

violence belongs to the old way

And the old ways can be fun! In movies and video games!!! It would be fun to play a gladiator in a video game for example, but to be a gladiator in real life would be a bit burdensome.

[tru3]

Originally Posted by Anders Lindman
I take it that you mean that this could relate to inner "no":s as well. Negative thoughts and emotions are actually a kind of inner conflict.

Letting go of the causes of inner conflict is probably an efficient way of transmuting emotions. But as I see it that is a super, super difficult practice. The reason why letting go is so difficult is that the "me" that is doing the letting go is ITSELF very much involved in and entangled with the very conflicts that are to be transmuted.

i absolutely agree with you. that's why i said it hurts like i'm in the corridor of hell, when i'm holding my heart open at the same time. fearlessness is not the absence of fear; it is stillness in its face. healing with respect to all aspects of the bodymind is crucial, because emotional energy can get "stuck" in cellular tissue. the body has it's own waveform of consciousness; it has a record of everything we have ever thought, felt, said, or experienced:

What is Kinesiology & Muscle Testing?

Kinesiology is a brand new branch of science which was developed by doctors, chiropractors and acupuncturists in the U.S.A. They pooled their knowledge and added it to Chinese medicine to develop a totally new technology which is amazingly efficient at balancing the body so that it can return to excellent health, energy and emotional strength. It stands apart from any other type of health technology largely due to it's use of revolutionary muscle testing.

Kinesiology is a truly 'wholistic' system, because it looks at the whole person (not just at selected parts). When you step on a cat's tail, it's the other end that screams! Kinesiology as looks at all types of stresses which can cause disease. They include emotional, nutritional, structural and electrical stress.

The basis of Kinesiology is that the body is like an electrical piece of equipment, which is controlled by an incredibly complex computer, namely the brain. The brain is continually in communication with each of the 639 muscles in the body.

If a muscle is electrically in balance, it is possible to measure a constant electrical signal from the brain to that muscle and back again, much the same as two faxes 'talking' to each other.

However, when the body is overstressed (through a chemical, emotional, structural or electrical cause), the electrical signals in one or more muscles go weak. It is like a fuse in your fusebox blowing. The body figures that it is better to blow a fuse than the whole thing.

This is the basis of muscle testing, which is the main tool used in kinesiology. For example, if a person has a particular muscle in their arm 'out of balance' (as we say), then they will not be able to hold their arm in a certain position when the kinesiologist applies pressure to it.

http://www.synergistickinesiology.com/what_is_kinesiology.html

no mantras, no mandalas, just one person getting in touch with a greater sense of wholeness.

there doesn't have to be "trauma drama" for a lot of people. i really believe that due to the shift in energy on the planet, it will become easier and easier to revitalize frozen places of ourselves. it took me a long time to make any progress whatsoever; the person i learned most of what i know about this started teaching in the early 80's and she's still carrying some heavy burdens in this lifetime. and, people who began to search and explore their emotions and beliefs after i did, in the late 90's, just blew by me! so that's good news, as far as i'm concerned.:)

i bash the mind a lot on this forum, but the good news is that the mind doesn't know the difference between an inner image and the outside world. an imagined snake in twilight can turn out to be a rope in the beam of a flashlight.

we can choose to reframe our world, at any time, imv. the ripeness is all, as hamlet said. in my experience, the healing is best done in relationship, since most of the wounds were created in relationship.

if healing came in a pill or in a book, the ill. would be selling it to us! ;)

[Anders Lindman]

emotional energy can get "stuck" in cellular tissue.

I think that is true. All negative emotions are probably caused by energy not flowing as it should, i.e. a form of pathology. We have been trained to accept negative emotions as natural and/or something that we can't do anything about. I would say that negative emotions are a dis-ease, a pathology, indicating something that needs to be healed.

I imagine that a healthy emotional state would feel like nice warm honey flowing in the heart. Such visualization is very helpful when monitoring one's own emotional and mental state. Do I feel really good and healthy? Yes? No? If not, then that really indicates some sort of illness in me. It's pretty obvious now that I think of it.

[i am all i am]

Maybe so, but I don't see how to not be attached to outcomes. I suspect if I tried I would only be fooling myself and create a subtle form of repression.

Repressing emotions is definitely not the answer.

"suspect", "tried".

Suspect indicates that you 'don't know'. Tried indicates that you didn't 'do it'.

"I don't see how not to be attached to outcomes."

I don't see indicates that you aren't being truthful with yourself. In other words, your aren't seeing clearly and are showing yourself an illusion. To not be attached to outcomes you have to be honest with yourself as to what it is that you are attempting to 'get' out of the experience. If you are not looking to find something in another, you can find it within yourself. The attachment is an 'outside thing'. Your emotions are an 'inside thing'. When you release the need to have something outside of yourself then you will have inner peace.


With LOVE.
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[Anders Lindman]

The attachment is an 'outside thing'. Your emotions are an 'inside thing'.

There will always be attachments, but perhaps the attachments can be refined and brought to a higher level. A person claiming not being attached to personal money (external thing), for example, is fooling himself or herself.

[i am all i am]

There will always be attachments, but perhaps the attachments can be refined and brought to a higher level. A person claiming not being attached to personal money (external thing), for example, is fooling himself or herself.

Actually, I have no income or bank account and live by the grace of love.


With LOVE.
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[bluestar]

THE TEMPEST

By Kahlil Gibran


Yusif El Fakhri was thirty years of age when he withdrew himself from society and departed to live in an isolated hermitage in the vicinity of Kedeesha Valley in North Lebanon. The people of the nearby villages heard various tales concerning Yusif; some related that his was a wealthy and noble family, and that he loved a woman who betrayed him and caused him to lead a solitary life, while others said that he was a poet who deserted the clamourous city and retired to that place in order to record his thoughts and compose his inspiration; and many were sure that he was a mystic who was contented with the spiritual world, although most people insisted that he was a madman.

As for myself, I could not draw any conclusion regarding the man, for I knew that there must be a deep secret within his heart whose revelation I would not trust to mere speculation. I had long hoped for the opportunity to meet this strange man. I had endeavoured in devious ways to win his friendship in order to study his reality and learn his story by inquiring as to his purpose in life, but my efforts were in vain. When I met him for the first time, he was walking by the forest of the Holy Cedars of Lebanon, and I greeted him with the finest choice of words, but he returned my greeting by merely shaking his head and striding off.

On another occasion I found him standing in the midst of a small vineyard by a monastery, and again I approached and greeted him, saying, “It is said by the villagers that this monastery was built by a Syriac group in the Fourteenth Century; do you know anything of its history?” He replied coldly, “I do not know who built this monastery, nor do I care to know.” And he turned his back to me and added, “Why do you not ask your grandparents, who are older than I, and who know more of the history of these valleys than I do?” Realising at once my utter failure, I left him.

Thus did two years pass, and the bizarre life of this strange man preyed on my mind and disturbed my dreams.

One day in Autumn, as I was roaming the hills and knolls adjacent to the hermitage of Yusif El Fakhri, I was suddenly caught in a strong wind and torrent rain, and the tempest cast me here and there like a boat whose rudder has been broken and whose masts have been torn by a gale in a rough sea. I directed my steps with difficulty toward Yusif’s place, saying to myself, “This is an opportunity I have long sought, and the tempest will be my excuse for entering, while my wet clothes will serve as good reason for lingering.”

I was in a miserable plight when I reached the hermitage, and as I knocked on the door, the man whom I had been longing to see opened it. He was holding in one hand a dying bird whose head had been injured and whose wings had been broken. I greeted him saying, “I beg your forgiveness for this annoying intrusion. The raging tempest trapped me while I was afar from home.” He frowned, saying, “There are many caves in this wilderness in which you might have taken refuge.” However, he did not close the door, and the beat of my heart quickened in anticipation, for the realisation of my great wish was close at hand. He commenced to touch the bird’s head gently and with the utmost care and interest, exhibiting a quality important to my heart. I was surprised over the two opponent characteristics I found in that man - mercy and cruelty at the same time. We became aware of the strained silence. He resented my presence, I desired to remain.

It seemed as if he felt my thought, for he looked up and said, “The tempest is clean, and declines to eat soured meat. Why do you seek to escape from it?” And with a touch of humour, I responded, “The tempest may not desire salted or soured things, but she is inclined to chill and tender all things, and undoubtedly she would enjoy consuming me if she grasped me again.” His expression was severe when he retorted, “The tempest would have bestowed upon you a great honour, of which you are not worthy, if she had swallowed you.” I agreed, “Yes, Sir, I fled the tempest so I might not be awarded an honour which I do not merit.” He turned his face from me in an effort to choke his smile, and then motioned toward a wooden bench by the fire-place and invited me to rest and dry my raiment. I could scarcely control my elation.

I thanked him and sat down while he seated himself opposite, on a bench carved of rock. He commenced to dip his finger tips into an earthenware jar containing a kind of oil, applying it softly to the bird’s head and wings. Without looking up he said, “The strong winds have caused this bird to fall upon the rocks between Life and Death.” I replied, rendering comparison, “And the strong winds have sent me, adrift, to your door, in time to prevent having my head injured and my wings broken.”

He looked at me seriously and said, “It is my wish that man would show the bird’s instinct, and it is my wish that the tempest would break the people’s wings. For man inclines toward fear and cowardice, and as he feels the awakening of the tempest he crawls into the crevices and the caves of the earth and hides himself.”

My purpose was to extract the story of his self-imposed exile, and I provoked, “Yes, the birds possess an honour and courage that man does not possess. Man lives in the shadow of laws and customs which he made and fashioned for himself, but the birds live according to the same free Eternal Law which causes the earth to pursue its mighty path about the sun.” His eyes and face brightened, as if he had found in me an understanding disciple, and he exclaimed, “Well done! If you place belief in your own words you should leave civilization and its corrupt laws and traditions, and live like the birds in a place empty of all things except the magnificent law of heaven and earth.

“Believing is a fine thing, but placing those beliefs into execution is a test of strength. Many are those who talk like the roar of the sea, but their lives are shallow and stagnant, like the rotting marshes. Many are those who lift their heads above the mountain tops, but their spirits remain dormant in the obscurity of the caverns.” He rose trembling from his seat and placed the bird upon a folded cloth by the window.

He placed a bundle of dry sticks upon the fire, saying, “Remove your sandals and warm your feet, for dampness is dangerous to man’s health. Dry well your garments, and be comfortable.”

Yusif’s continued hospitality kept my hopes high. I approached near to the fire, and the stream sifted from my wet robe. While he stood at the door gazing at the grey skies, my mind searched and scurried for the opening wedge into his background. I asked, innocently, “Has it been long since you came to this place?”

Without looking at me, he answered quietly, “I came to this place when the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”

I was aghast at these words! Struggling to gather my shocked and scattered wits, I said to myself, “How fantastic this man is! And how difficult is the path that leads to his reality! But I shall attack cautiously and slowly and patiently, until his reticence turns into communication, and his strangeness into understanding.”

Night was spreading her black garment upon those valleys, and the tempest was shrieking dizzily and the rain becoming stronger. I began to fancy that the Biblical flood was coming again, to abolish life and wash man’s filth from God’s earth.

It seemed that the revolution of elements had created in Yusif’s heart a tranquillity which often comes as a reaction to temperament and converts aloneness into conviviality. He ignited two candles, and then placed before me a jar of wine and a large tray containing bread, cheese, olives, honey, and some dry fruits. Then he sat near me, and after apologizing for the small quantity - but not for the simplicity - of the food, asked me to join him.

We partook of the repast in understanding silence, listening to the wailing of the wind and the crying of the rain, and at the same time I was contemplating his face and trying to dig out his secrets, meditating the possible motive underlying his unusual existence. Having finished, he took a copper kettle from the fire and poured pure, aromatic coffee into two cups; then he opened a small box and offered me a cigarette, addressing me as “Brother.” I took one while drinking my coffee, not believing what my eyes were seeing. He looked at me smilingly, and after he had inhaled deeply of his cigarette and sipped some coffee, he said, “Undoubtedly you are thinking upon the existence here of wine and tobacco and coffee, and you may also be wondering over my food and comforts. Your curiosity is justified in all respects, for you are one of the many who believe that in being away from the people, one is absent from life, and must abstain from all its enjoyment.” Quickly I agreed, “Yes, it is related by the wise men that he who deserts the world for the purpose of worshipping God alone will leave behind all the enjoyment and plenty of life, contenting himself with the simple products of God alone, and existing on plants and water.”

After a pause, heavy with thought, he mused, “I could have worshipped God while living among His creatures, for worship does not require solitude. I did not leave the people in order to see God, for I had always seen Him at the home of my father and mother. I deserted the people because their natures were in conflict with mine, and their dreams did not agree with my dreams. I left men because I found that the wheel of my soul was turning one way and grinding harshly against the wheels of other souls which were turning in the opposite direction. I left civilization because I found it to be an old and corrupt tree, strong and terrible, whose roots are locked into the obscurity of the earth and whose branches are reaching beyond the cloud; but its blossoms are of greed and evil and crime, and its fruit is of woe and misery and fear. Crusaders have undertaken to blend good into it and change its nature, but they could not succeed. They died disappointed, persecuted and torn.”

Yusif leaned toward the side of the fireplace as if awaiting the impression of his words upon my heart. I thought it best to remain a listener, and he continued, “No, I did not seek solitude to pray and lead a hermit’s life, for prayer, which is the song of the heart, will reach the ears of God even when mingled with the shout and cry of thousands of voices. To live the life of a recluse is to torture the body and soul and deaden the inclinations, a kind of existence which is repugnant to me, for God has erected the bodies as temples for the spirits, and it is our mission to deserve and maintain the trust reposed in us by God.

“No, my brother, I did not seek solitude for religious purposes, but solely to avoid the people and their laws, their teachings and their traditions, their ideas and their clamour and their wailing.

“I sought solitude in order to keep from seeing the faces of men who sell themselves and buy with the same price that which is lower than they are, spiritually and materially.

“I sought solitude in order that I might not encounter the women who walk proudly, with one thousand smiles upon their lips, while in the depths of their thousands of hearts there is but one purpose.

“I sought solitude in order to conceal myself from those self-satisfied individuals who see the spectre of knowledge in their dreams and believe that they have attained their goal.

“I fled from society to avoid those who see but the phantom of truth in their awakening, and shout to the world that they have acquired completely the essence of truth.

“I deserted the world and sought solitude because I became tired of rendering courtesy to those multitudes who believe that humility is a sort of weakness, and mercy a kind of cowardice, and snobbery a form of strength.

“I sought solitude because my soul wearied of association with those who believe sincerely that the sun and moon and stars do not rise save from their coffers, and do not set except in their gardens.

“I ran from the office-seekers who shatter the earthly fate of the people while throwing into their eyes the golden dust and filling their ears with sounds of meaningless talk.

“I departed from the ministers who do not live according to their sermons, and who demand of the people that which they do not solicit of themselves.

“I sought solitude because I never obtained kindness from a human unless I paid the full price with my heart.

“I sought solitude because I loathe that great and terrible institution which the people call civilization - that symmetrical monstrosity erected upon the perpetual misery of humankind’s.

“I sought solitude for in it there is a full life for the spirit and for the heart and for the body. I found the endless prairies where the light of the sun rests, and where the flowers breathe their fragrance into space, and where the streams sing their way to the sea. I discovered the mountains where I found the fresh awakening of Spring, and the colourful longing of Summer, and the rich songs of Autumn, and the beautiful mystery of Winter. I came to this far corner of God’s domain for I hungered to learn the secrets of the Universe, and approach close to the throne of God.”

Yusif breathed deeply, as if he had been relieved of a heavy burden. His eyes shone with strange and magical rays, and upon his radiant face appeared the signs of pride, will, and contentment.

A few minutes passed, and I was gazing placidly at him, and pondering the unveiling of what had been hidden from me; then I addressed him, saying, “You are undoubtedly correct in most of the things you have said, but through your diagnosis of the social ailment, you prove at the same time that you are a good doctor. I believe that the sick society is in dire need of such a physician, who should cure it or kill it. This distressed world begs your attention. Is it just or merciful to withdraw yourself from the ailing patient and deny him your benefit?”

He stared at me thoughtfully, and then said with futility, “Since the beginning of the world, the doctors have been trying to save the people from their disorders; some used knives, while others used potions, but pestilence spread hopelessly. It is my wish that the patient would content himself with remaining in his filthy bed, meditating his long-continued sores; but instead, he stretches his hands from under the robe and clutches at the neck of each who comes
to visit him, choking him to death. What irony it is! The evil patient kills the doctor, and then closes his eyes and says within himself, ‘He was a great physician.’ No, Brother, no one on earth can benefit humanity. The sower, however wise and expert he may be, cannot cause the field to sprout in Winter.”

And I argued, “The people’s Winter will pass away, and then comes the beautiful Spring, and the flowers must surely bloom in the fields, and the brooks ‘will again leap in the valleys.”

He frowned, and said bitterly, “Alas! Has God divided man’s life - which is the whole creation - into seasons like those of the year? Will any tribe of human beings, living now in God’s truth and spirit, desire to reappear on the face of this earth? Will ever the time come when man settles and abides at the right arm of Life, rejoicing with the brilliant light of day and the peaceful silence of night? Can that dream become reality? Can it materialize after the earth has been covered with human flesh and drenched with man’s blood?”

And Yusif stood and raised his hand toward the sky, as if pointing at a different world, and he continued, “This is naught but a vain dream for the world, but I am finding its accomplishment for myself, and what I am discovering here occupies every space in my heart and in the valleys and in the mountains.” He now raised his intense voice, “What I really know to be true is the crying of my inner self. I am here living, and in the depths of my existence there is a thirst and hunger, and I find joy in partaking of the bread and wine of Life from the vases which I make and fashion by my own hands. For this reason I abandoned the boards of the people and came to this place, and I shall remain here until the Ending!”

He continued walking back and forth across the room in agitation while I was pondering his sayings and meditating the description of society’s gaping wounds. I ventured again a tactful criticism. “I hold the utmost regard for your opinion and intentions, and I envy and respect your solitude and aloneness, but I know that this miserable nation has sustained a great loss in your expatriation, for she is in need of an understanding healer to help her through her difficulties and awaken her spirit.”

He shook his head slowly and said, “This nation is like all the nations. And the people are made of the same element and do not vary except in their exterior appearance, which is of no consequence. The misery of our Oriental nations is the misery of the world, and what you call civilization in the West is naught but another spectre of the many phantoms of tragic deception.

“Hypocrisy will always remain, even if her finger tips are coloured and polished; and Deceit will never change even if her touch becomes soft and delicate; and Falsehood will never turn into Truth even if you dress her with silken robes and place her in the palace; and Greed will not become Contentment; nor will Crime become Virtue. And Eternal Slavery to teachings, to customs, and to history will remain Slavery even if she paints her face and disguises her voice. Slavery will remain Slavery in all her horrible form, even if she calls herself Liberty.

“No, my brother, the West is not higher than the East, nor is the West lower than the East, and the difference that stands between the two is not greater than the difference between the tiger and the lion. There is a just and perfect law that I have found behind the exterior of society, which equalizes misery, prosperity, and ignorance; it does not prefer one nation to another, nor does it oppress one tribe in order to enrich another.”

I exclaimed, “Then civilization is vanity, and all in it is vanity!” He quickly responded, “Yes, civilization is vanity and all in it is vanity.... Inventions and discoveries are but amusement and comfort for the body when it is tired and weary. The conquest of distance and the victory over the seas are but false fruit which do not satisfy the soul, nor nourish the heart, neither lift the spirit, for they are afar from Nature. And those structures and theories which man calls knowledge and art are naught except shackles and golden chains which man drags, and he rejoices with their glittering reflections and ringing sounds. They are strong cages whose bars man commenced fabricating ages ago, unaware that he was building from the inside, and that he would soon become his own prisoner to eternity. Yes, vain are the deeds of man, and vain are his purposes, and all is vanity upon the earth.” He paused, then slowly added, “And among all vanities of life, there is only one thing that the spirit loves and craves. One thing dazzling and alone.”

“What is it?” I inquired with quivering voice. He looked at me for a long minute and then closed his eyes. He placed his hands on his chest, while his face brightened, and with a serene and sincere voice he said, “It is an awakening in the spirit; it is an awakening in the inner depths of the heart; it is an overwhelming and magnificent power that descends suddenly upon man’s conscience and opens his eyes, whereupon he sees Life amid a dizzying shower of brilliant music, surrounded by a circle of great light, with man standing as a pillar of beauty between the earth and the firmament. It is a flame that suddenly rages within the spirit and sears and purifies the heart, ascending above the earth and hovering in the spacious sky. It is a kindness that envelops the individual’s heart whereby he would bewilder and disapprove all who opposed it, and revolt against those who refuse to understand its great meaning. It is a secret hand which removed the veil from my eyes while I was a member of society amidst my family, my friends and my countrymen.

“Many times I wondered, and spoke to myself, saying, ‘What is this Universe, and why am I different from those people who are looking at me, and how do I know them, and where did I meet them, and why am I living among them? Am I a stranger among them, or is it they who are strange to this earth, built by Life who entrusted me with the keys?’”

He suddenly became silent, as if remembering something he had seen long before, refusing to reveal it. Then he stretched his arms forward and whispered, “That is what happened to me four years ago, when I left the world and came to this void place to live in the awakeness of life and enjoy kind thoughts and beautiful silence.”

He walked toward the door, looking at the depths of the darkness as if preparing to address the tempest. But he spoke in a vibrating voice, saying, “It is an awakening within the spirit; he who knows it, is unable to reveal it by words; and he who knows it not, will never think upon the compelling and beautiful mystery of existence.”

An hour had passed and Yusif El Fakhri was striding about the room, stopping at random and gazing at the tremendous grey skies. I remained silent, reflecting upon the strange unison of joy and sorrow in his solitary life.

Later in the night he approached me and stared long into my face, as if wanting to commit to memory the picture of the man to whom he had disclosed the piercing secrets of his life. My mind was heavy with turmoil, my eyes with mist. He said quietly, “I am going now to walk through the night with the tempest, to feel the closeness of Nature’s expression; it is a practise that I enjoy greatly in Autumn and Winter. Here is the wine, and there is the tobacco; please accept my home as your own for the night.”

He wrapped himself in a black robe and added smilingly, “I beg you to fasten the door against the intruding humans when you leave in the morning, for I plan to spend the day in the forest of the Holy Cedars.” Then he walked toward the door, carrying a long walking staff and he concluded, “If the tempest surprises you again while you are in this vicinity, do not hesitate to take refuge in this hermitage.... I hope you will teach yourself to love, and not to fear, the tempest... Good night, my brother.”

He opened the door and walked out with his head high, into the dark. I stood at the door to see which course he had taken. but he had disappeared from view. For a few minutes I heard the fall of his feet upon the broken stones of the valley.

Morning came, after a night of deep thought, and the tempest had passed away, while the sky was clear and the mountains and the plains were revelling in the sun’s warm rays. On my way back to the city I felt that spiritual awakening of which Yusif El Fakhri had spoken, and it was raging throughout every fibre of my being. I felt that my shivering must be visible. And when I calmed, all about me was beauty and perfection.

As soon as I reached the noisome people and heard their voices and saw their deeds, I stopped and said within myself, “Yes, the spiritual awakening is the most essential thing in man’s life, and it is the sole purpose of being. Is not civilization, in all its tragic forms, a supreme motive for spiritual awakening? Then how can we deny existing matter, while its very existence is unwavering proof of its conformability into the intended fitness? The present civilization may possess a vanishing purpose, but the eternal law has offered to that purpose a ladder whose steps can lead to a free substance.”

I never saw Yusif El Fakhri again, for through my endeavours to attend the ills of civilization, Life had expelled me from North Lebanon in late Autumn of that same year, and I was required to live in exile in a distant country whose tempests are domestic. And leading a hermit’s life in that country is a sort of glorious madness, for its society, too, is ailing.

[Anders Lindman]

Actually, I have no income or bank account and live by the grace of love.

But also all personal relationships are attachments. It's not possible to not be attached to outcomes, unless the whole of the future is abandoned.

[tru3]

I think that is true. All negative emotions are probably caused by energy not flowing as it should, i.e. a form of pathology. We have been trained to accept negative emotions as natural and/or something that we can't do anything about. I would say that negative emotions are a dis-ease, a pathology, indicating something that needs to be healed.

I imagine that a healthy emotional state would feel like nice warm honey flowing in the heart. Such visualization is very helpful when monitoring one's own emotional and mental state. Do I feel really good and healthy? Yes? No? If not, then that really indicates some sort of illness in me. It's pretty obvious now that I think of it.

exactly. it doesn't have to be a struggle, although it has been for me often enough. :o

it's really about simple open awareness, a lot like saying "yes" to the inner world! :)

[i am all i am]

But also all personal relationships are attachments. It's not possible to not be attached to outcomes, unless the whole of the future is abandoned.

EXACTLY.

It becomes a question of to live in the past, the future or the present moment of NOW. When you live NOW, you have released yourself from both the past and the future, and therefore you have no attachments to what has happened or what will happen.

As to impossible, allow me to put it this way for you. All is one, therefore, if one thing is possible then all things are possible. This includes the impossible as being possible. That something is impossible is what is impossible.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[Anders Lindman]

exactly. it doesn't have to be a struggle, although it has been for me often enough. :o

it's really about simple open awareness, a lot like saying "yes" to the inner world! :)

Many people talk about "acceptance of what is" or "yes to what is" and so on. I think that could be misleading. The inner world must be improved, not accepted when dysfunctional such as in a state of misery or victimhood.

[Anders Lindman]

When you live NOW, you have released yourself from both the past and the future,

The teachings of "living in the now" could be a trap devised by the Illuminati. I don't trust that idea.

[i am all i am]

The teachings of "living in the now" could be a trap devised by the Illuminati. I don't trust that idea.

And of course that would allow you to continue being attached to outcomes. Be honest with yourself. You are enjoying the 'drama' and this is why you don't choose to let go of outcomes.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[Anders Lindman]

And of course that would allow you to continue being attached to outcomes. Be honest with yourself. You are enjoying the 'drama' and this is why you don't choose to let go of outcomes.


The "me" IS the attachment. Or at least, the "me" and the attachments are so entangled and codependent that making a clear separation is extremely difficult it seems to me. One must be very careful when talking about letting go and things like that, because the thinking mind is very, very tricky and can fool itself in all kinds of messy ways. For example, the thinking mind can on a conscious level truthfully believe and think that it is free from attachments, while the massive subconscious mind still has billions of attachments. My guess is that when there is a great sense of freedom and ease in body and mind, then the subconscious has begun to become more aligned with the conscious mind. Being honest is very tricky on the conscious level of thinking, but is a piece of cake on the level of emotions.

[king]

Good thread. We see examples in several posts of a particularly potent strand of elite thought imposition - that of "victim blaming", or the Just World philosophy. Needless to say, when you are in control of a population by covert manipulation, you love nothing more than when those in bondage actually start to blame other prisoners for the entrapment - or worse yet, themselves!

Actually, though, this is a common reaction to massive trauma or psychological damage. It is especially common in "Stockholm Syndrome", where hostage victims will begin to look upon their captors with love and attachment. A rape victim for example will often blame themselves internally for bringing on the rape, whether through the physical actions or their thoughts. This is nosense, of course, but the philosophy that "we are the problem" is virtually identical. It becomes much easier to deal with an external problem when it is brought into the self. This solves nothing in reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_World_Hypothesis



so, what you are saying -- let's continue blaming "illuminati" dudes for our own actions, own stupidity, own desire to still live in slavery, subjugation and in an illusion?

why is that when a human is given a chance to learn the truth he almost always choses not to hear it, much less to change the path that is obviously leading down the slippery slope?

because man has turned into a corrupted, inconsiderate, uncaring human being. he always had that in him, but now he is worse than he ever was, no matter in what country he lives now. could Illuminati have changed all of the people in all countries around the world if people wanted to stay uncorrupted?

sure thousands of "evil illuminati" are doing "evil deeds" -- that much is given.
but, why are 6.5 billion "good humans" allowing those few illuminati to control the destiny of human race?

is it maybe that "victims" are not really victims?
is maybe that victims are perpetrating the ills of the world by choosing not to do anything, not to even stand up for what is right or wrong, even when it concerns their own families?

and my observation is that great portion of humanity does
not even know what is right, what is wrong.

Edmund Burke said:

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’


my sentiments exactly!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Good thread. We see examples in several posts of a particularly potent strand of elite thought imposition - that of "victim blaming", or the Just World philosophy. Needless to say, when you are in control of a population by covert manipulation, you love nothing more than when those in bondage actually start to blame other prisoners for the entrapment - or worse yet, themselves!

Actually, though, this is a common reaction to massive trauma or psychological damage. It is especially common in "Stockholm Syndrome", where hostage victims will begin to look upon their captors with love and attachment. A rape victim for example will often blame themselves internally for bringing on the rape, whether through the physical actions or their thoughts. This is nosense, of course, but the philosophy that "we are the problem" is virtually identical. It becomes much easier to deal with an external problem when it is brought into the self. This solves nothing in reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_World_Hypothesis

WOW!
I never thought that this thread would grow so large. I really thought someone would delete it due to promotion of violence.

Anyways, adramelech. Thank you for replying. And after reading your post and the links. I'm sorry, but there is a huge difference between a rape victim "deserving it" because she was being slutty anyways, and a group of bloodline murderers who have enslaved and tortured and beaten humanity to loose all will which it once had.

I do not believe that any woman is "asking to be raped", nor do I believe that women that push their husbands should be hit. Frankly, I find all of that appalling.

But, when I look at the illuminati. I see:
- Thousands of years of enslavement(emotional/mental/physical)
- Unrightful ruling over human beings
- mental/emotional/physical torture
- the murder of billions of people
- manipulation of the human being
and to top it off. Absolutely no remorse for what they have done. Infact, they blame us.

I'm sorry but I don't see how what I feel compairs to the "victim blaming" theory.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

so, what you are saying -- let's continue blaming "illuminati" dudes for our own actions, own stupidity, own desire to still live in slavery, subjugation and in an illusion?

why is that when a human is given a chance to learn the truth he almost always choses not to hear it, much less to change the path that is obviously leading down the slippery slope?

because man has turned into a corrupted, inconsiderate, uncaring human being. he always had that in him, but now he is worse than he ever was, no matter in what country he lives now. could Illuminati have changed all of the people in all countries around the world if people wanted to stay uncorrupted?

sure thousands of "evil illuminati" are doing "evil deeds" -- that much is given.
but, why are 6.5 billion "good humans" allowing those few illuminati to control the destiny of human race?

is it maybe that "victims" are not really victims?
is maybe that victims are perpetrating the ills of the world by choosing not to do anything, not to even stand up for what is right or wrong, even when it concerns their own families?

and my observation is that great portion of humanity does
not even know what is right, what is wrong.

Edmund Burke said:

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’


my sentiments exactly!

*cocks magnums, slips them under his black rain coat*

I'm not a good person. But sure as hell will make it look good. :cool:










I just thought to myself. You they will try and come after me now after this entire thread?

[tru3]

WOW!
I never thought that this thread would grow so large. I really thought someone would delete it due to promotion of violence.

looks like you tapped into some pretty deep stuff. thanks for sharing how you really feel. :)

[nirvana]

I believe that reality is the illusion that it is said to be.

I don't believe in heaven or hell.

I don't believe I'll ever be punished for commiting a "sin"..

I do believe that everyone is made up of the same soul I am made up of.. However, I believe my part is too unique, just as everyone elses, and I do believe that it has another half(aka: soul-mate)..

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

I don't mean any offense to anybody. I do believe that love will bring us to great places in life(sic).. But I don't think it's going to stop the illuminati, or anything like that.


I don't believe I just watch.;)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

So....

In conclusion..

Is it wrong for me to want to kill them off?

For the sake of humanity?

[i am all i am]

So....

In conclusion..

Is it wrong for me to want to kill them off?

For the sake of humanity?

G'day 'Lordship,

There is no right or wrong.

You will merely have to make up your own mind about what you choose to do.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[deca]

I was gonna live my life and keep myself to myself and the ones that care for and let this crazy world pass my by.
But they attacked my mind with there microwave weopons first they drew first blood and have pict a fight with me every day hour min they attack my privet world ........Another TI has gonna put me intouch with TI in my town.
One turns into Two in this town. You can sit there until they come for you. They think they have me. Who wants to live forever I am not gonna fade away This is our time. Battle for our minds has started are you ready.

[truthsupplier]

Is it wrong to consider "flushing the toilet" of these floaters in power?

Is it inconsiderate to want to take as many of the bastards with you when they come to "pry your cold, dead fingers..."? (If you aren`t armed, go to Southern Flea Markets and talk to the Patriots [go have a "cup of coffee" off the premises... the cameras are where you least expect them, and the true hard core already know this] who have and will aid you in your "collection" of "non-registered" protection).

The farce of Y2K (put every computer on the WWW, on the same page with the backdoors for Echelon and Carnivore... if you did not already have it, you could download it for free!! Sneaky how they got your "compliance", huh?) allowed me to gain the mindset, prepare for the inevitable (I was "red flagged" MANY moons ago through the "guilt by association" with those who knew and told) just like William Cooper did, and climbed my "soapbox" to educate the unwilling sheeple... I don`t have his credentials (don`t need them) nor his audience. I do however hold his solid mindset... to pull the wool over my eyes, you gotta weave it pretty thick.

[deca]

I live in the uk. If you look at our histroy we had to fight for our freedoms
when working men wanted the vote they started getting together setting up meetings and stuff the elite got worried and sent spies into the crowd. Then sent the army in with swords drawn. I hope it does not go that far.I have done nothing ,I have took freedom as granted, Thought wars had been won to save humanity.The more I learn the more I see people battling for our freedoms throw out time and I am just starting mine late in the game.

peace for one day we will all be free.

[unicorn]

In conclusion..

Is it wrong for me to want to kill them off?

For the sake of humanity?

You can only lead yourself, only you can answer that question otherwise you are giving your power to other people. In Conversation with God, God says that the only reason to ever do anything is as an expression of who you are to the Universe. Are you a murderer? Are you prepared to kill some for the sake of saving others? Is not all life sacred? It's the zionists belief in their own superiority that has led us to this place...

I totally understand your anger & desire to kill, a very gratifying thought. But why kill the repies for the sake of humanity when most of humanity would gladlgy have you locked up or executed for it (well, speaking of the white people here)... the blame of today's world lies not just with the illuminati, it also lies with each one of us who are letting it carry on & on ad-nauseum!

If it came to a war, I'd be firing all I've got for the sake of this whole planet.

But we can overthrow them so easily, right now, today, if we just united in numbers & got the hell rid of the government, stop using banks, stop paying taxes, rampage the f**king corrupt powerhouses & locked them all up until we can send them off to space.

But we need numbers, & a belief that we can easily do it. Like in Lord of the Rings, only a handful of love-centred beings against an onslaught of baddies. It's all channelled stuff, we can easily win, but not by sitting on our asses!

As long as we feel it's all hopeless, they're winning. We are GOD, remember.

[tinmenace]

Right! We are all one. We are all connected. Killing them off will only hurt yourself. You think it will solve everything but what you'll find is that you have become the very thing you hated.

That is why the only thing that will bring this to an end is love. Lots and lots of it. Help awaken those around you. Help them to walk away from their prison. When we take back our minds, they can no longer control us. That's when we win.

Taking up arms to fight will turn you into one of them. It's so alluring isn't it? You have to wonder why. Stop and think about it for a minute.

[nirvana]

Right! We are all one. We are all connected. Killing them off will only hurt yourself. You think it will solve everything but what you'll find is that you have become the very thing you hated.

That is why the only thing that will bring this to an end is love. Lots and lots of it. Help awaken those around you. Help them to walk away from their prison. When we take back our minds, they can no longer control us. That's when we win.

Taking up arms to fight will turn you into one of them. It's so alluring isn't it? You have to wonder why. Stop and think about it for a minute.

How is love going to bring this to an end?.It may work on a subjective level
but not in the real world.

[nirvana]

If a country is going to be bombed by USA and that country is going to use the power of love to defend it self. Then I'm afraid that country is all ready dead.
Maybe just maybe. The spiritual truth is fight of the fittest and the strong will allways dominate the weak.Evil could be supiour to goodness.

[pollock]

How is love going to bring this to an end?.It may work on a subjective level
but not in the real world.

What is the real world and what will work in it according to you then?
(seems this question is coming up a lot lately!)
:)
F

[fantana]

Everybody has a soul?

Everybody is part of you?



Plain and simple fact I will share with you enlightened folk - 75% of people do not have a soul. Even in Mr David Sirs books he says many people are just DNA programs.

Now, im just a regular HMHT, but I can say that 99% of women do not have souls.


Its science.

[pollock]

Now, im just a regular HMHT, but I can say that 99% of women do not have souls.


Its science.

Hmm, and 99,9 % of the men have their souls tucked nicely into their private parts!

thats not science its truth!

:D
F

[fantana]

Hmm, and 99,9 % of the men have their souls tucked nicely into their private parts!

thats not science its truth!

:D
F

Excellent observation.


What a sad state of affairs, Little Fantana knows that I am in charge, and unless I tell him to dance, he stays quiet.

[nirvana]

I believe that reality is the illusion that it is said to be.

I don't believe in heaven or hell.

I don't believe I'll ever be punished for commiting a "sin"..

I do believe that everyone is made up of the same soul I am made up of.. However, I believe my part is too unique, just as everyone elses, and I do believe that it has another half(aka: soul-mate)..

So, when I think about stopping the illuminati or anything else of the such.

I don't think flowers, and flowing energies of love. I think bullets, large weapons, and stealth.

I don't mean any offense to anybody. I do believe that love will bring us to great places in life(sic).. But I don't think it's going to stop the illuminati, or anything like that.

Love is a powerfull energy unless you have to use it to defend your self physically .Then it becomes a weakness.:eek:

[nirvana]

What is the real world and what will work in it according to you then?
(seems this question is coming up a lot lately!)
:)
F

I suppose the real world is working 9-5 if you are skint. If you do not pay your bills you lose your housing etc.